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- 0:00Welcome to the show.
- 0:00I'm Claire Monroe, here with Edwin Carrington.
- 0:03Edwin, picture this: a hiring manager has two CVs-one says "12 years
- 0:08of experience," the other says "top school,
- 0:11great references," and after a 30-minute conversation they go,
- 0:14"I've got a good feeling about this one." And the uncomfortable part
- 0:18is... those three signals-experience,
- 0:21pedigree, and instinct-often predict job performance a lot worse than
- 0:26people think.
- 0:26Yes, and that gap between confidence and accuracy is where
- 0:31most hiring mistakes begin.
- 0:33For decades, industrial-organizational psychologists have studied what
- 0:38actually predicts performance.
- 0:39The classic Schmidt and Hunter research gave people a simplified
- 0:39hierarchy-cognitive
- 0:45ability high, work samples strong,
- 0:47structured interviews useful, and then a long list of weaker methods.
- 0:51The issue is, many managers remembered the ranking... but not the nuance.
- 0:51So
- 0:57the takeaway became something like,
- 0:58"just hire the smartest person in the room and you're done."Precisely.
- 1:02And that's where the newer research corrected things.
- 1:05Sackett and his colleagues in 2022 revisited those earlier findings and
- 1:10showed that some of the original validity estimates were overstated due
- 1:14to statistical adjustments.
- 1:16The conclusion wasn't "throw everything out." It was "be more precise."
- 1:22Cognitive ability still matters.
- 1:24Work samples still matter.
- 1:26Structured interviews still matter.
- 1:28But there is no single method that reliably solves hiring on its own.
- 1:28Which
- 1:34is kind of funny, because the update didn't validate gut instinct.
- 1:37It just told people to stop acting like one tool is magic.
- 1:37Exactly.
- 1:41It lowered the volume on certainty,
- 1:44not the direction of the evidence.
- 1:46The practical hierarchy still favors structured,
- 1:49job-relevant methods over informal ones.
- 1:51A candidate demonstrating the work is more informative than a compelling
- 1:55conversation about the work.
- 1:55Then why do the weaker signals feel so convincing?
- 2:00Because "12 years of experience" sounds solid.
- 2:03A degree sounds earned.
- 2:05And an unstructured interview feels like you're getting the full picture.
- 2:05Because
- 2:09those signals are easy to turn into stories.
- 2:11"Ten years of experience" sounds like expertise,
- 2:15even though it may just be repetition.
- 2:17Research has shown for a long time that years of experience alone are
- 2:21only weakly related to performance.
- 2:23Education helps at the entry level,
- 2:25certainly, but becomes a modest predictor once candidates are already
- 2:30in the pool.
- 2:30And unstructured interviews are particularly misleading because they
- 2:34generate confidence.
- 2:35The interviewer leaves thinking they understand the candidate.
- 2:39What they often understand is whether the interaction felt smooth.
- 2:39So
- 2:44the signal is comfort, not capability.
- 2:44Yes,
- 2:47and comfort is biased.
- 2:48We prefer people who feel familiar,
- 2:51who think in similar ways, who communicate in ways we recognize.
- 2:55None of that reliably answers the question,
- 2:58"can they do the work."And personality tests sit somewhere in the middle,
- 3:03right?
- 3:03Because people either treat them like the answer to everything or completely
- 3:07dismiss them.
- 3:07That's right.
- 3:09Broad personality traits-especially conscientiousness-can add incremental
- 3:14value.
- 3:15But they are not substitutes for skill evidence.
- 3:18They work best as supplements.
- 3:20That's the consistent pattern in the research: weaker signals feel richer
- 3:25because they're easier to talk about,
- 3:27while stronger predictors force you to confront the actual job.
- 3:31What does the work require?
- 3:33What decisions matter?
- 3:34What does good performance look like in practice?
- 3:34So if CVs and instinct
- 3:39are shaky, what actually improves prediction in a real hiring process?
- 3:43Not in theory-on a Monday morning with a team that's busy.
- 3:43Three things
- 3:47consistently emerge.
- 3:49First, structured interviews-same questions,
- 3:52same criteria, same scoring logic.
- 3:54Second, work samples or simulations-something that resembles the
- 3:54job
- 3:59itself.
- 3:59If the role involves analysis,
- 4:01give them a case.
- 4:02If it involves writing, have them write.
- 4:05Third, job-relevant assessments-cognitive or technical,
- 4:09where appropriate.
- 4:10And importantly, you combine these methods.
- 4:13Hiring improves when it becomes a system,
- 4:15not a single bet.
- 4:15That word "system" matters.
- 4:19Because a lot of teams are still looking for the one perfect filter-the
- 4:23one interview, the one test, the one person who just "knows."Yes,
- 4:28the idea of the all-knowing interviewer.
- 4:30But prediction improves when different methods cover different aspects
- 4:34of performance.
- 4:35A structured interview captures reasoning and past behavior.
- 4:38A work sample captures demonstrated skill.
- 4:42An assessment may capture learning ability or technical depth.
- 4:45Together, they provide a more complete picture.
- 4:45So the update from the
- 4:50newer research isn't "everything changed." It's more like: the old numbers
- 4:54were too confident, but the direction was right.
- 4:54Exactly.
- 4:57Sackett and his colleagues refined the estimates and emphasized context-things
- 5:02like range restriction and variability across roles.
- 5:05But they did not turn informal methods into reliable predictors.
- 5:09The center of gravity remains the same: structure,
- 5:13relevance, and combination.
- 5:13Let me try to compress that.
- 5:18It's not "find the smartest person and hope." It's "build a set of signals
- 5:22that actually reflect the job, then use them consistently."That's close.
- 5:26I would add one word: observable.
- 5:29You want evidence the candidate can produce something,
- 5:32solve something, or decide something.
- 5:35Observable skill is more reliable than inferred potential.
- 5:35Observable
- 5:40skill... yeah, that changes how you look at hiring immediately.
- 5:43And that's where something like OAD fits in,
- 5:46because it shifts the focus away from who looks impressive on paper to
- 5:49who can actually demonstrate the capabilities the role needs.
- 5:49Exactly.
- 5:53The practical takeaway is simple,
- 5:56even if the execution takes discipline.
- 5:58Test the work, or something close to it.
- 6:00Don't confuse polish with capacity.
- 6:03Don't confuse tenure with mastery.
- 6:05And don't let a strong interview performance substitute for missing
- 6:05evidence.
- 6:05And
- 6:10the side effect is it usually becomes a fairer process too.
- 6:13More consistency, less improvisation,
- 6:16fewer decisions based on "this person reminds me of me."Yes.
- 6:21Better measurement tends to produce better fairness.
- 6:24You're evaluating candidates against the role,
- 6:27not against personal preference.
- 6:27So if you're hiring right now,
- 6:31the move is pretty clear: test for the skills that actually matter,
- 6:35not the ones that just sound impressive.
- 6:37And if you want a practical way to start,
- 6:39you can test OAD's tools-like behavioral assessments-for free at o-a-d-dot-a-i.
- 6:39The
- 6:45real question is not whether someone can perform well in an interview.
- 6:48It's whether they can perform well in the role.
- 6:48That's where the decision
- 6:53should live.
- 6:53Thanks for listening to The Science of Leading.