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Ep. 259 ~ I Smell Money ...A Dago Tale · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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I remember like Bob Clark and Doug Campbell they actually devoted this show, what
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was it called the Lives of Right show. Yeah, what an embarrassment.
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I mean, everything is going to hail down here in Deca. No dig
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no no go oh yeah, rip it Roger, ma'am. I love,
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love love the intro. What's up people, it's your boy the Triple Be,
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process. All right, let's get down to business. It's Lancer weekend,
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folks. That means there's probably a hell of a lot of people in Dallas
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right now listening to this show. And if you are, I say,
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what is up? People? Hopefully you've seen the presentation and you dug it,
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or you're going to see it today and you're going to dig it.
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That's right. I know some people that are going to be down there.
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Mister Joe BURRELLI, my co host for the Martin presentation at Lancer, is
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going to be there. Doug Campbell is going to be there, host of
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The Dallas Action and my co host for Quick Hits, a JFK news and
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notes podcast that we do together. And Chuck o'chelly's going to be there.
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I do believe Carmeines Southistano is going to be there. I do believe my
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buddy Alex Harris is going to be there. I do believe my friend mister
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Kenneth Zedeker is going to be there. I know that Robert Groden will be
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there. All kinds of people. You're going to have fun. Like I
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said, the conference has sold out. You might find you might find some
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scaley wag on the corner trying to scalp tickets. Get one if you can.
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That's that's all I'll tell you. If even if you can't get into
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Lancer, you still have fun in Dallas perusing the sights and the scenes that
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the beautiful city of Dallas Presents for you. I still remember fondly four years
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ago, zipping around Dallas on a scooter at my main mode of transportation.
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I stayed in a airbnb downtown and I must have rode that damn scooter to
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Daily Plaza and the hotel. The lancer was at my god, probably ten
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times to and fro. A good time had by all, Big bad Bob
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on a scooter. Yeah, yes, I know, But enough about me.
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Let's talk about somebody who is intrigued me for a while. He's a
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very endearing fellow by the name of Darryl Dego Gardner. Now, for those
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of you not familiar, you have not been listening to the show, and
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I will scold you later, But all is it right now if you haven't,
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and go back and listen to Quick Hits number fourteen, Okay, and
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listen to the Mark Lane interview of Daryl Gardner. Therego, it is the
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craziest interview that I've ever seen in my life, ever read in my life.
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And also go back to Quick Hits forty nine, the most recent one
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that just came out, and I had a little bit in there about Dego.
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Somebody found a manuscript in a desk in New Orleans at an antique shop,
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and it was basically, well, it's called how to be a Bounty
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Hunter. Darryld Dego Gardner is told to somebody and it basically outlined he's involvement
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in the Kennedy assassination, which is interesting. But Uh, most folks right,
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No, Darryl Dego Gardner, Uh for having been accused of shooting Warren
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Reynolds in the head. Uh. Warren Reynolds worked at the Johnny Reynolds car
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dealership, I guess you want to call it, uh, around the corner
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from where Tippet was shot, and I believe it was sometime in January after
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the assassination. Uh. He was turning out the life in the dealership,
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which I guess was in the basement, and he went down there and he
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went to turn off the lights and he noticed that the bulb was broken down
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there and there was no light, and somebody came out of the shadows and
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shot him in the head with the twenty two and knocked his glasses off his
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face, and whoever that was scurried away, and mister Reynolds was able to
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get back up the steps and basically called for help and kind of collapsed on
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a car hood. But he was a little shook up, but no permanent
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damage. Apparently the bullet glanced off of his skull instead of entering it,
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which is a good thing for him. But the main suspect in the shooting
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was a man by the with Darryl Dego Warner. And you know, Deego
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was a bad seed if you will, criminal elements mid twenties about the time
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twenty four to twenty five, ran with some rough, rough dudes, you
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know, did a bunch of drinking and houring and uh, you know,
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just general you know, nineteen sixties bad guy stuff right known to the police
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as you know, a bad seed. Well, apparently he ran his mouth
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to some of the wrong people and the cops picked him up and arrested him
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for shooting Warren Reynolds. Well, they had to let him go because he
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passed a lot of detective test He had eye witnesses to where he was that
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night, and his girlfriend I tested that. You know, she also was
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with him later that evening and she passed a lot of detective tests as well.
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Despite haanging herself in jail a couple of weeks later over another guy and
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you know this woman like her her name was Nancy McDonald or Nancy Mooney McDonald,
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something like that. Apparently she had been a stripper at the Carousel Club
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before that. So we have these intersecting and interweaving lines of you know,
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a lot of these characters interacting with each other, knowing each other and so
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forth. So you know, there's not a lot on Daego out there.
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I do know that Dego died and I believe it was seventy one or seventy
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two when drug overdose. And like I said, we have the Mark Lane
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interview. We have this mysterious manuscript that was found in a desk in New
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Orleans. Because Dago had ties back to New Orleans folks, not just Dallas,
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as did the Harvey Oswalts. In fact, Garner, okay was the
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name missus Jesse James Garner and Jesse James Garner. We're the couple that rented
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part of their house to the Oswalts on Magazine Street in New Orleans the time
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when he was handing out these flyers, and this was right where they were
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living, right before Marino left with Ruth to go back to Dallas, and
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Lee allegedly went to Mexico. But my friend Fred Litwin was kind enough to
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send me two more interviews with Daego that I didn't even know existed, and
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that's what we are going to be perusing today and see if we can glean
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some more information out of what he told al Cock and Garrison. And there's
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also another interview with a fellow by the name of Ken Elliott, who I
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believe was a local New Orleans disc jockey. But we'll get there, I
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promise. So first off, let's go with what he told Ken Elliott,
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and then we'll get into what he told the Garrison team. Who was Ken
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Elliott? Right? So, Ken Elliott was the former president and co owner
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of Barks Beverages felt Like Barks Rubier b a r Q. He was the
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former owner of the Ormond Plantation, Coe Boys of New Orleans, Cascade Wholesalers,
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Domine's Hardware, the Entree Vous Recording Studio, which it's probably where this
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interview took place. Hope Plumbing, the charter member of the Crew of Icarus
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and the founder of the Southern Yet Love of Louisiana, and his daddy's name
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was Jake the Kat Elliott. So another DJ and I'm sure a colorful character
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reading here from his obituary and the memory is shared by others. Uh probably
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quite a colorful a dude in his own right. But uh so this first
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interview with Ken Elliott. Your name, sir, answer you Go Corner.
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Now, those of you who do listen to the show, And I thought
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I had Daego's voice back in episode fourteen, Okay, yeah, quick,
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hits ah, I thought Dago talked to us something like this, like this
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hair. But apparently no, according to according to the mysterious manuscript that was
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written down, and they actually gave a description of Diego, who was about
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six foot tall, brown, per early hair, talked real low arm tattoos,
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wore tight jeans and biker gear, sports shirt, sunburnt ready complexion.
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Overall, just a real handsome type dude. So my Dago is gonna sound
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a little different now, knowing what the real one sounded like. Just ditinguish
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questions and answers here in these interviews. Your name, sir, Diego Garner,
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Diego Garner. And what is your legal given name, Darryl? Well,
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my first name is Diego. Everybody calls me Diego. All right,
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Diego, Now you're in the city of New Orleans on this Tuesday, June
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twenty sixth, it's the twenty seventh, oh sorry, twenty seven And you
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have come voluntarily to the studio here to record the facts that you are about
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to present, and we are going to make one copy for you to hold,
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and you were going to leave one copy in our custody with the understanding
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that it is not to be released to newspapers or television or magazine sources without
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you're okay, or in the event of your death. Is that correct?
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That's correct? All right? Now? How long have you been back in
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New Orleans, DAEGO? Approximately three weeks at this time. I have been
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in Delcowm, Louisiana, and I've just come back on the bus to New
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Orleans four days ago. Four days ago. Now, I understand that you
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have knowledge of facts pretending to the assassination, conspiracy and the death of President
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Kennedy. You have firsthand knowledge of such facts. Is that correct? And
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that is correct? And I understand that you were at the District Attorney's office
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yesterday and are due to go back to more Or for a polygraph examination.
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I was there yesterday and had the interviews, so they could figure out what
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kind of questions they wanted to ask me for the polygraph chest. Now you
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were at the DA's office voluntarily. Yes, I talked to Alcock and Garrison,
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District Attorney Alcock, and he had two more guys in there in the
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office at the same time, and they was all asking me questions. Now,
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why did you go to the DA's office. Was it at their request
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their suggestion? Here's the advice of my attorney, Jim McPherson. He's in
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the National Bank of Commerce Building eight Commerce Building. In other words, you
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consulted Mick Pherson and told him what you knew, and he advised you to
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make these facts known to the DA's office. Yes. At first, Hugh
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Amesworth from the Newsweekly advised me to go to Dallas and give it to Lieutenant
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Cunningham of the Intelligence Police down there to call. Why did he advise that?
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Did he say? He said the best thing for me was to get
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out of New Orleans because Garrison would hang me by the balls. But he
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also said that the paper was representing play show. Did he offer to pay
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your expenses to Dallas or anything of that nature. No, but he said
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he would guarantee me attorneys to represent me there. How long was this now?
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How long ago was this? Now? This was the day before yesterday.
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Had you already talked to your attorney here prior to the offer from Ainsworth?
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Nope, George didn't. That was when you went to seek advice.
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Well, when I went to talk to my attorney, eames Worth had given
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me his house phone number. He also gave me a number in New York
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where he's at, and he gave me the number in Houston where I could
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reach him at. Do you have those numbers on your person at this time?
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Yep? Or do just for a validity of this tape, why not
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give those numbers? Jigger was getting the numbers out of his wallet. This
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number is Newsweekly in New York. It's h A one Dash one two three
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four. That's Hugh Ainsworth in New York. And also he has another guy
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working for him in Houston, Texas, and that's c A eight dash eight
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seven eight seven. And his home phone number is JA five dash nine eight
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one five. All right, fine, that's on record now. And the
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Lieutenant Cunningham of the Intelligence Police Department which he told me to call, it
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was Riverside three dash nine seven one one in Dallastown, X is just for
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the record. You know, how did Ainsworth get in touch with you?
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Pauled Ainsworth from attorney called when from Dallas, Texas. Emit Caldwin. He's
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a criminal lawyer in Dallas, and he gave me Amesworth's number and told me
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to call him. In other words, you had consulted an attorney in Dallas
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before you consulted mister McPherson here in New Orleans. That's right, Elliott,
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and he advised that you contact Ainsworth with the Newsweekly. That's right. However,
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your attorney here after you consulted him, following your conversation with mister Amesworth,
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he advised you to go to d. A. Garrison's office and offer
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your testimony. Well, at first he said that sounded right, But after
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he said, well said the Newsweekly of sponsoring play for attorneys, and they're
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going to send you to and you wouldn't live a week there after you get
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there. Let me ask you this day, go, why did you finally
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decide after the lapse time involved here, why did you finally decide to consult
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attorney and tell him what you do? Well? It got where every time
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I tried to go work someplace. Uh, getting a little bit closer here
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to the mike, will you did goo? Sorry? Sorry, I can't
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go to work anywhere and hold a job down. I got to keep a
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ducking in the dodge and all the goddamn clouds. And I was in Dallas
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a short while ago when my ex wife said a sheriff was there looking for
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me and everything over this here, So I figured I might as well go
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ahead and get it over with. In other words, your ex wife said,
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a sheriff and the Dallas police was looking for you in connection with the
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Kennedy assassination. Yes, And they had been to my mama's house, and
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my mama and them said, they asked me to stay out of town.
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All right, we tell us, now, what is your connection with the
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case and what do you know? What information do you have to give it
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the authorities. Well, I was going with Nancy Mooney, this here stipper
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that worked for Jack Ruby. What time period was this? This here was
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just prior to when Kennedy got whacked mid sixty three, I would say,
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a month or so before he got killed. And I had stolen a lot
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of things. And Warren Reynolds then owned a Carlota there and he had talked
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to me about clay Shaw. He said, if I wanted to make some
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money, big money, I should go work for clay Shaw. Did they
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give you any idea what type of work it was? No, they didn't
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say what it was. But well then what happened, Well, Nancy took
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me down to the Carousel Club downtown Jack Ruby owned it, to get me
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fixed up with him. Did you meet Ruby? No, Ruby wasn't there
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at this time. The two guys were there and one of them was great
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headed, and I'm thinking it was Shaw, and another guy there was some
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Italian. Their name was not given to you at the time. No,
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it wasn't. But I told the DA yesterday and this here will be in
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a polygraph test that I'm taking. What did they talk to you about these
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two men? Well, they just said Jack Ruby wasn't there. We couldn't
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get down to no business until he was. They still at that time did
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not make any reference to Kennedy Warren Reynolds. After this year's the guy that
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I went to Dale down there for shooting and said that Kennedy had to be
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killed. And see Roberts worked there at the car lot too, and they
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shot him with a shot. Now you say, Reynolds, you went to
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jail for shooting. Did you shoot him? No? No, no,
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I didn't. I took me a lot to detect, the test and all
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that, and I didn't shoot him. And I was with Nancy Mooney the
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night he got shot. She was your witness, your alibi. Yes,
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And she's hung herself now in jail. And what was she in jail for
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at this time? She was in there for fighting. I think it was
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what they said, But she never hung herself. I don't believe that.
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I don't either day. Go all right, did you ever meet Jack Ruby?
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Yes? I have. How long after your first trip to the carousel
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did you meet Ruby? I would say in a week or less than a
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week. Where does this meeting take place? In Industrial Boulevard? Industrial Boulevard
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that's in Dallas. Not that either of Ruby's places of business. This here
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was his place down there. What was the name of that place? I
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don't know for sure what it was, but it was in one of his
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nightclubs, and it was present there when you met Ruby. Besides you and
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Ruby, just me and Ruby. But I was told to come back to
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the carousel and this is where I think I was supposed to meet play Shaw
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and this other guy. All right, Now, when you met Ruby,
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what he tell you, Well, he just said they had some deal they
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had to work out, and I was given a gun, and I went
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out to a guy's house and they gave me a pistol, and I went
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down and hawked the same day. You remember the name of the man from
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whom you got the pistol, Nope, don't recall. And they did not
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tell you what the pistol was for. He just gave me the gun.
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But I went and locked it because I wouldn't carry it because I had been
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caught carrying a gun in the state of Texas before. And they charged you
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one hundred and thirty two dollars and twenty cents for carrying a gun in Texas.
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What reason did you have for picking up the gun? Or didn't you
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know that you were going to pick up a gun? Yes, I know
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that I was going to yep, I knew I was going to pick that.
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But you see, Jack Ruby was a queer and this here guy that
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I went to his house was geared up for something or another too, and
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that was a friend of his. So I went out to his house.
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In other words, you say that Jack Ruby was a homosexual. Yeah,
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to your certain knowledge. Well, I've been asked on a polygraph test up
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there. You ever got any dealings with him like that? But no,
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I never did. Hm. Okay, So after you picked up that pistol
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you hawkeed it. What were you supposed to do after you picked up that
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pistol? I never did get any instructions on that. I left and went
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to Las Vegas, Nevada. Baby. In other words, you took the
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pistol, hawked it and left town. Yes, sir, that's right.
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Were you supposed to go back to Ruby's or what? Yes? I was
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supposed to go back to the Care of Self club, but different arrangements,
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whatever they were going to do. But I never did go back. I
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see. And where were you when the actual assassination took place? I was
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in Las Vegas. How long before the assassination was this meeting with Ruby?
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From a month or two months? It couldn't have been two months? I
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oh? No, I mean you're talking about the assassination, right, Yes,
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yeah, about a month or so? About a month or so?
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Okay? What was your reaction when you heard the Kennedy had been killed.
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Yeah, nothing really. I mean a guy at the Chesterfield Club in Vegas
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was setting up free drinks and everything, and I was just there drinking,
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setting up free drinks. Yes, did your conversation with Ruby or you're meeting
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with these men with these other two men come back to your mind? Then?
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Did you connect the two in your mind? Yeah? I kind of
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got a little scared about it, but I know that I may have been
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involved in it in some way. You know that coming up. But look
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at it this way. They ain't got They ain't going to name me because
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if they get down there then it would just be somebody testifying against them.
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See, let me ask you this day, though you've seen pictures of clay
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Shaw, yep, put you from the pictures you've seen, make a positive
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id honestly and feel you know that, without a shadow of doubt, that
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this is the man you met in the Carousel Club. Well, now,
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the district attorney asked me the same question, and I told them what the
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guy looked like, and told them how tall he was and everything, and
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they seem to think it was just about the same as glad Shaw. But
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right now, if clay Shaw was to walk up here. I couldn't say
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for sure that was clay Shaw. And there was no name whatsoever given to
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any of these two other two men. They were not introduced by name or
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whatever. No, there wasn't. But the girl Mooney Nancy mentioned clay Shaw
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and things. And then also at the Carlisle down there, he said,
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if I wanted to make some big money, I could go to work for
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Clee Shaw. And this other guy said, you shouldn't be telling him things
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like that because he's going to get his in trouble. To your knowledge,
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you never came into contact with Lee Harvey Oswald. No, I never talked
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to Lee Harvey. Where were you earlier in sixty three? In late sixty
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two, Daego, Oh wow? All over California, Nevada, Texas.
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I mean I just kind of loafed around, you know't uh, when's the
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first time you came to New Orleans this year? This year? This is
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your first trip here? Is there anything else that you can think of or
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any other names that you could like to document here or add to this tape.
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And then one other question here while we're on the subject, this meeting
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at the carousel, You say, Nancy Mooney took you there. Yep,
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she showed it, and she took you into the room where you met these
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two men. That's right. But she did not introduce you to them.
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No, she did not she or did she? Active she knew them,
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Yeah, she knew him. And this other girl that lived with Nancy.
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Well, Nancy's dead now, but I knew the other girl that live with
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Nancy, And if I had a chance to talk to her, of course,
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I don't know she would say anything or not. What was her name,
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I don't know. But then the boy that was with us, I
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knew. His name was Audie Anderson. Audie Anderson, Yes, Audi Anderson.
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And he was with you when Nancy took you to the club, Yes,
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he was, and he was present when No, No, no he
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didn't. He didn't go inside none. I believe he stayed out in the
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car with this other girl when we went inside. But Nancy was in the
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room with you and these two men. Yes, Nancy was my witness when
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Warren got shot. She was with me the night he got shot. We
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were having sexual relations, if you will. Yes, And what did you
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discuss with these two men after they told you? Until Ruby was there?
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You couldn't really talk business nothing, that's it. In other words, you
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just walk in. They said, Ruby's not here. I went into a
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private office for this. Oh you say you were not in a private office.
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There was an office there, I say, But they didn't say they
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expected Ruby or anything. They said he would be back in a little while,
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you know, And then Nancy was sick, so we left him there
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and I never did go back that night. Let's see, In other words,
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you were in the office, how long would you say, all pold
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em, just a short while, just a matter of minutes. I know,
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it wasn't too long. And you don't recall any other conversation, any
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other comments that were made to you while you were in the room with the
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two men. No, I can't. I was just off the cuff.
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The man with the I don't recall if you described with white hair, gray
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hair, it was gray. Was his hair straight, curly, kinky?
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What do you recall? Well, it was kind of a crop hair cut
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fairly long, crop hair cut fairly long. And would you say he had
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straight hair, curly hair, kinky hair? For instance, I would describe
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your hair as a little bit curly. Well, he had a little kind
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of wavy kind of light. But it wasn't a crop hair cut, you
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know, like a flat top kind of long. Okay, any other names
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that enter into this thing. Let me ask you this. When did you
33:44
go back to Dallas. You say you were in Vegas at the time of
33:45
the assassination? Right, Yes? When did you return to Texas? Get
33:52
into the mic here dego so we'll be able to hear you. I would
33:57
say a month or so after that I went back to What was your reason
34:01
for returning to Dallas, Nancy Mooney or did you go for another reason?
34:07
No? No, I just went down there messing around. I went down
34:10
there, well, I was going with this girl and I drove a car
34:14
down there and sold it. And that's that's when Warren got shot in I
34:19
see, and they put me in jail, this time for shooting him.
34:22
When you went back to Dallas. Did you have warrants out for you in
34:25
Dallas? Then? No. In other words, the warrants that they're holding
34:31
for you now are the ones you incurred after you went back there. Yes.
34:42
Did Ruby say anything to you about being able to fix any wraps that
34:45
you might have? No? But Garrison did he told me down here that
34:51
if I got anything on me in Louisiana that it, I could just I
34:54
could just have a clean slate here. Everything would just disappear, if you
35:00
know what I'm saying. Are there any warrants outstanding against you here? I
35:06
don't know. One reason that you gave me for wanting to make this tape
35:10
is that you're afraid somebody might think you called it wipe you out, That's
35:15
right. Why do you fear for your life? Day? Ye? Well,
35:21
if you see I'm in the Warren Commission. My name's in the Warren
35:24
Commission. Did you testify before them? No? No, No, I
35:29
didn't bought my names in there. Did FBI agents or CIA talk to you?
35:36
Well, I heard they were looking for me, but they never did
35:38
talk to me. But my name's in there in several places. M hm.
35:45
And you take this man, I don't know thirty something or other shot
35:49
that's been in the Warren Commission altogether. So I just figured it's just a
35:52
matter of time before they snap down on me too. You feel me.
35:58
How many people who died were you've connected with directly or indirectly with that you
36:04
knew personally with the assassination? Well, of course you know Nancy, and
36:12
you figure that Nancy's hanging herself and her cell is not a true story.
36:15
Well, no, because I know her too well for that. And then
36:20
I know just a short old kind of acquaintance with Ruby. I know him,
36:24
like I said, just a short while then, the guy who Feeling
36:29
Florida about seven or eight months ago. He was a gangster. I knew
36:31
him. I've been in jail with him before. And what's his connection with
36:37
this? I don't know, just that he was in Dallas at the time,
36:51
but I know that he wound up dead over it. I know that
36:52
much. I know that he'd go down there and they got him, and
36:57
I know they'd get me. I know that. Now. Is there any
37:00
idea in your mind you're referring to when you say they no, just a
37:06
bunch of other people involved in this here, I don't know exactly who,
37:08
but whoever it has got a lot of money. You can bet that.
37:14
In other words, there's no doubt in your mind about the death of President
37:16
Kennedy was the result of a conspiracy. Yeah, I mean that all planned.
37:24
It wasn't no just Harvey Oswald shooting and Jack Ruby running down there and
37:30
shooting him. There was nothing to that. But did anybody ever directly say
37:36
to you, Diego, we want you to kill the president. No,
37:38
but they getting from the mic, please they go. Sorry. They said
37:44
that Kennedy had to be killed, and this here, and this was here
37:49
at the car lot. They said that that was at the car lot.
37:54
But Ruby never said it to you. No, nor either of the two
38:01
men you met at the carousel in Ruby's absence. Well, I didn't talk
38:06
to them. I mean I was supposed to go back and talk to him,
38:08
but I never did. I see. Okay, well I think they
38:14
actually wrap it up, Daego, thank you my pleasure. So that is
38:20
the Ken Elliott interview with Diego Darryl Gardner. And that sounded me like a
38:30
whole lot of fluff and not a whole lot of substance. Too much pastry,
38:36
not enough cream. If you'll see here what I'm saying now from New
38:40
Orleans, Louisiana. No, I mean, honestly, h you know why
38:50
Diego would want to have this interview with this Ken Elliott guy and have it
38:53
recorded and put out only after he's dead based on what he told Elliott makes
39:01
no sense whatsoever. I mean, he really didn't say anything either incriminating himself
39:08
or anybody else for that matter. A lot of very vagant, a lot
39:13
of very vagueness, you know. Ah, quite different than the Mark Lane
39:19
interview. I will say, uh, in that interview, who was much
39:24
better acquainted with Jack Ruby and his strippers and Lee Harvey Oswald. And now
39:32
he doesn't say he ever knew Lee Harvey and barely knew Jack. So let's
39:43
see what he told Garrison. Keep in mind, folks, that Garrison never
39:49
used Diego Garner in the trial against Clay Shaw. And I think you'll figure
39:55
out why in this next interview. Mm hmmm, Oh boy, here we
40:01
go height interrogation of Dego Garner. But Jim Garrison, the officer of the
40:13
District Attorney in July eighteenth, nineteen sixty seven. Did you know Warren Reynolds.
40:19
I know Warren and Johnny his brother own the car lot. Known him
40:22
for quite a while. Did you know Tippet? He came up here all
40:29
the time and eat around, and he knew me. He knew that I
40:32
would do the first one thing and then another Warren Reynolds and john and told
40:37
him that I had some rifles for sale. He said, he knew were
40:40
he could tell he could sell some high powered rifles. I asked him what
40:45
he was going to do with some rifles, and he said, dear hunting.
40:50
Tippet said that, yeah, when was this shortly before the assassination?
40:57
He said he didn't know if they were stolen the nod. He said,
41:00
nobody would say anything. Tippet said this, Yeah, he said, you
41:07
ain't got to worry about me. Boy, I drank beer in his car
41:10
shooting the breeze. You seen him before, he'd been down at the Carousel
41:16
Club, but I didn't talk to him. He had on a suit and
41:19
all end you said, he was wearing a suit of clothes. How many
41:23
times did you see him at the Carousel Club? That once or twice?
41:30
You already knew him and he talked to him. Yes, what did he
41:32
do with the Carousel Club? I don't know. And then there's a part
41:40
of it I can't read. It's kind of faded out. Uh. And
41:52
then my some guy named Roberts, what did he do for a living?
41:58
Selling bars for the rental burner? What happened to Roberts? Somebody shot him
42:04
with the shotgune. They said he wasn't going with somebody's wife. That's why
42:07
I got shot. I don't know if it messing around. Seemed like a
42:13
pretty straight guy to me. You know where he was shot. Who How
42:17
long before the assassination? Oh? Three maybe four months? Maybe less than
42:22
that. Did you ever talk to Reynolds about clay Shaw, as Roberts suggested.
42:30
I talked about it one time, but he didn't say nothing. One
42:32
morning, I was talking to Reynolds and the subject came up. Some guy
42:37
I never saw before, was there, Warren or? One of them said
42:40
Kennedy has to be killed. Warren or the other guy said that. Somebody
42:46
with Reynolds said that. Did Reynolds say anything. He said something about it,
42:52
and they said he was going to get in trouble before the president was
42:57
killed. Yes, Warren to indicate that he knew clay Shaw. I don't
43:01
remember. Did you ask him about it? I told him Roberts said,
43:07
I could talk to you about where I make some big money. I didn't
43:10
go up to him and say anything about clay Shaw. What did he say?
43:15
I don't remember. He just talked about something else. No went out
43:20
to his house and he says something else. But I told him I could
43:22
get I told him I could get out of the penny and his stuff.
43:28
Did Warren Reynolds know Jack Ruby? I don't know, But did he know
43:34
Tippet? Yes, you say you saw Gordon Develle? You identified this picture
43:39
of Gordon Develle. Where did you know him from? I've been in jail
43:45
with him in Dallas. Picture of Clay Shaw. Have you ever seen this
43:51
man? I have seen a guy in the Carousel Club. I went with
43:57
Nancy Mooney to meet some guys make some big money. Guy looked something like
44:00
this guy was dressed a lot better and looked a lot younger. But as
44:05
far as Mill looks, not the same. I got a drink and as
44:09
he went back into private office and he told them who it was, but
44:14
they couldn't talk about it until Jack got back. Just for the record,
44:20
this picture we talked about if Klay Shaw is not a very good picture of
44:22
Shawl. He was taken after he was arrested. And he doesn't even have
44:25
a tie on him. Uh you say the man you met had on a
44:30
tie? Oh? Yes, real nice looking thing. Cut guy? Was
44:35
he tall? Paul, taller than you? Yes, with pillar hair gray.
44:45
And they talked about the fella that was with him. The Italian Tello
44:52
picture was of our Sergio Kasha, except Sergio Kasha was about five to eight.
44:59
He was something that showing you a picture of Emilia Santana. Oh yeah,
45:05
that guy was with Jack Ruby a lot. This fellow was very short,
45:09
Yeah, little bitty guy. Did you ever see him with anybody else
45:14
but Ruby? One night when his boy came out of the house spending night
45:19
out there, Nancy was there, and then we'll talking about the short guy
45:22
that was going with Ruby. This is the guy that was going with him.
45:27
If you know what I'm saying, he had a relationship with some kind
45:30
with Ruby. Do you know where he was staying? No? Do you
45:36
know what they called him? No? Did he speak English? Never talked
45:40
to him. The interesting thing about your identification of Amelia Santana as the guy
45:47
who was associated with Ruby, this is almost the exact description of the man
45:52
who shot Warren Reynolds. Very short and strong looking. How many times you
45:58
think you saw this fella shown up picture of Emilio Santana. I've seen him
46:04
about three or four times the night glove there, Rubys. That's why I
46:08
couldn't believe the things that Nancy was telling me that they were geared up together
46:13
there. You know he had relations with Nancy before too, you know Ruby.
46:19
You mean yeah, I don't mean. They had this private party there
46:24
and he was out there stripping for him. And this was before the assassination.
46:29
You know the boy that was in the penitentiary, he was playing out
46:32
there. She was out there stripping that night at the private party there in
46:36
Dallas. Terris l or Vigas, No, no private party. Do you
46:43
know who was else was at the private party? This one guy? I
46:47
know who does because he was playing there. Do you know his name?
46:53
Not off hand, but I can find out he is not in the penitentiary.
46:59
No, No, you were talking about this man that the FBI talked
47:04
to too. Yes, refers to the picture of Clay Shaw. Does that
47:09
one look familiar? The guy looked something like him a little more distinguished here
47:15
because he has his tie on. This could have been him in Dallas.
47:22
After Nancy Mooney brought you into the two fellows, the gray haired fellow and
47:24
the Italian looking fella, they wouldn't talk to you and out until Jack Ruby
47:30
came. Yes, they said they had to wait for Jack. So we're
47:36
back to this story about that a medium on Industrial. Now here's a picture
47:43
of a friend of Santana's. This man's name is Miguel Torres. Oh yeah,
47:50
he came to the Beckley Club many times. What's what's the Beckley Club?
47:57
It's a place on Jefferson there near the Texas Theater. How was he
48:01
usually dressed? Looked like a Mexican? Was short. This fellow is Cuban.
48:07
Did he speak English? Cuban? Latino? They all look Mexican to
48:14
me. I spoke with him, ever seen him with anybody? It's been
48:20
a long time. He is a dope addict. I messed around with a
48:24
little dope too, sir. There ain't nothing wrong with that. Do you
48:30
know him in that connection? Nope? I can't say that I have.
48:35
But he seems like a nice fella. He is from New Orleans. But
48:40
you feel like you have seen him in Dallas. I've seen him at the
48:44
Beckley. That's an eating place. Yes. Do you know if Oswald ever
48:51
went there? Nope? Have you ever seen this fellow? His name is
48:55
Morris Brownlee. Uh, I've never seen him. Never seen Brownly. Look
49:05
this friend of mine, we all stay together all the time during this time
49:07
here he messed around with a little plot, if you know what I'm saying,
49:12
if there was anybody fixing up or anything like that, he wouldn't know
49:15
him in Dallas? Yeah, would your friend talk to anybody here? And
49:22
if you got him tied up tight enough, he might what do you mean,
49:27
get him scared enough? Ever? Hear of Guy Cabalden? Never heard
49:32
the name Earlene Roberts. That was Oswal's land lady. Did you know her?
49:40
Not personally, Fir, Sorry, not personally? How do you know
49:46
that that was Oswald's landlady? Hi? I read it in the paper.
49:53
What about birtha cheek? She's a pastor acquaintance of Jack Ruby and the sister
49:59
of Earlen Roberts. Nope, I don't know her. Louis Loge Nope,
50:07
never heard of me. Manny Rodriguez Gilbert saying Chez, I know a bunch
50:13
of saying chess. Manuel Gonzalez, Yeah, I know of Emmanuel Gonzales.
50:20
I know one in Dallas. I know one in California too, the one
50:25
in Dallas. What's he looked like? Short, stocky eyed, long hair,
50:30
heavy built. Does he have a nickname? I think we called him
50:35
Buddha. Have you ever heard of anybody by the nicknaname of Toro or El
50:40
Toro. I know one we called the bull, but not poor. Oh
50:46
who was that? That was a Jesus Garcia? All right? Sorry,
50:52
hey, Jesus Garcia. What was his full name? Do you know one
51:00
Jesus Garcia? You know him had his Cortez or el texture. I never
51:08
heard that name. Do you know a man named Manuel Garcia Gonzales? I
51:15
have heard of the name several times. What about Manning Gonzales? Have he
51:21
set with black hair? What's he do for a living? Ah? He
51:24
lived over on the West Side, ran around with Sonny Kane and Danny Smith
51:29
known as known. His old lop ear had just one ear that folded over
51:36
like a bloody rabbit. How about Audie Anderson? Did he know Manuel Gonzales?
51:45
I imagine he did. Do you know of anybody in the electronics business
51:47
in Dallas? Nope? Ever see a Latin fellow about six foot tall?
51:52
Have he set about two point forty where his glasses and electronics business? Nope?
51:58
Do you know Breck Wall noop, he is the guy they had shot
52:05
at the Adolphice. Do you know Bruce Ray Carlin? I know one I
52:09
called him Bruce Ray, big tall guy, a whole lot of etchings on
52:14
his face. Was he related Bruce Raye? The Bruce Ray I'm talking about
52:21
is the husband of little Lynn Carr that worked for Jack Ruby. Say Ray,
52:27
girl, is that the fellow? No? Did you ever talked to
52:32
Warren Reynolds at all after the assassination? No? They kind of got a
52:37
little down on me, told me not to come on ther lot no more.
52:40
We got in a little hassle out there. I came from California,
52:45
had a car, and I wanted to sell it to him. When was
52:47
this after the assassination? What this was when he got shot? He either
52:54
got shot that night or the next night when I tried to sell him in
52:58
the car. I don't think I talked to him. Actually, I think
53:01
I talked to his brother John. You never talked to Reynolds anymore, dude.
53:08
I called out there and talked to John one day before they put me
53:12
back in jail for the second time. They said the best thing to do
53:15
is just forget it and don't come around there no more. And Reynolds told
53:21
him that you shot him. No, No, well somebody must have.
53:25
I got on the phone ryndlds talked. Then they started following me all the
53:30
time. Afterwards. Neville showed up in Vegas shortly after the assassination. Did
53:35
you ever see him in Vegas? I did hear some remarks talking about he
53:40
being in Vegas in the newspapers and stuff. Did you ever hear of Honest
53:45
Joe or the name of Ruby Goldberg. That's him potting it down. Now,
53:53
if you have have a hassle or some kind of fight, I'll go
53:57
between you, know what I mean? If you need to buy something to
54:00
sell something. He does things for Jack Ruby. They were real close to
54:04
one another. You could find Jack Ruby's picture in there. You can buy
54:07
any kind of gun you want. He specializes in rifles, yet rifles,
54:13
not powered ones. Is Ruby Goldstein on pretty good terms with the Dallas police
54:17
Force. They don't mess with him. I guess he's got something going for
54:22
him. On top of Honest Joe station wagon, there's a machine gun.
54:27
What is that for? To catch attention? Yeah? I guess. So
54:31
people down there were talking to me and wanted to know who was the guy
54:35
around the grassy, know, in the car that was traveling around there had
54:37
a radio area on top or something. Where was Tippet when the assassination occurred?
54:45
Straight over the bridge? How do you know Officer Tippett was there.
54:49
I have some friends there at the station. They had asked me about it.
54:53
And this was in January. You got a gun in January sixty four.
54:58
I had a gun twenty two Maretta that I got illegally and got busted.
55:02
And that was when Tippet was trying to buy a gun from me.
55:07
Did Jack Ruby indicate why he was giving you a gun? Ruby didn't give
55:12
it to me. Some of the guys tied up with Ruby and the Nancy
55:14
knew. They're all fans. See you got the gun after the assassination,
55:20
Yes, sir, after the assassination I've talked to She talked to me about
55:23
it before. One night before Kennedy was assassinated, I went to a meeting
55:29
and she told me then was the show on? Then they had an admission
55:36
at the show when I got there. Do you remember about what time it
55:39
was? And you saw the gray haired man at Jack Ruby's oh about ten
55:45
or eleven in his office. Ruby's private office was Larry Craiford working for Jack
55:51
Ruby. Then, I don't know, do you know any other guys that
55:55
work for these fellows. No. Ue a girlfriend and Nancy's her buddy had
56:01
something to do with it. They didn't tell you anything. You had to
56:06
be real bat or they told you anything. They had to really know something
56:09
about you before they would talk to you. Was it your impression that Jack
56:15
Ruby was tied in with some racketeers. I believe he had something going on.
56:20
He wouldn't offer me a job if he didn't. Did Nancy give you
56:23
any idea of the type of working ball Nope. The man that was with
56:28
the gray haired man, the Italian? Did he have a scar? I
56:32
don't know. He didn't have a mustache. What about Lawrence Howard? What
56:37
time of day did you see him at the carousel? Oh? One afternoon?
56:43
He was a bouncer there. We had an argument. This is a
56:46
picture of Lawrence Howard. Is this the bouncer? Do you have the argument
56:51
with? Do you remember what it was about? Did he have an accent?
56:59
Actually? I think all he did? Sorryus? Did he have an
57:07
accent? Actually all? I think? I think all he did. Me
57:10
and that bouncer got into it. Hold it on, they don't like you
57:15
hanging around there. The bouncer said something. Well, Jack Ruby there at
57:20
the time. I believe he was that day Jack Ruby came through there,
57:24
and when he did, he stopped and talked to a few people. He
57:28
was real stick necked. Jack Ruby was a stiff necked Yeah, kind of
57:34
insulting, big shot, big man. I thought it was supposed to be
57:39
the kind of guy that gave you a big hello, but maybe that was
57:44
only with people he thought were important. He talked to me, he told
57:47
me to come down and seem he did not give you a gun himself.
57:52
Did he tell you about big money? Oh, Nancy talked to him and
57:57
she told me. Just before Warren got me and Nancy and another couple were
58:00
sitting in the car outside the house there talking about first one thing and then
58:06
another. And I was drunk, and one paying attention to Nancy and the
58:08
other people were talking. The other girl worked at the Caresel club and she
58:13
was a cigarette girl. And there was another boy. Describe the girl.
58:19
Oh, she had long black hair. They were talking about Ruby and the
58:22
people who were coming down there, indicating something was going on. Ah,
58:28
No, this was after the assassination. They were talking about people showing up
58:32
before the assassination. Yes, did they mention any of the people at the
58:37
meetings. Don't know. Did Nancy ever mention to you about other Latinos or
58:45
Mexicans around the house around her apartment? I don't know whose name the apartment
58:52
was rented in. Do you recall any Latins, Cubans or Mexicans. Oh?
58:55
Yeah, there was always a bunch of them people combing in and now
59:00
like Grand Central fucking station. What about Amelia Santana? Did you ever see
59:07
him or talk to him? I saw him with Jack Ruby. They pointed
59:13
him out. Nancy said that Jack Ruby and Emelio Santana were living together,
59:16
if you know what I mean. How long before the assassination was at I
59:22
know, short time, for a few weeks or so. There was another
59:25
guy who slept at the pad as well, Nancy's pad, Yes, sir,
59:31
he looked like him. He looked something like him. Yeah. Did
59:37
you ever see Santana at the Carousel Club? Yes? Do you know anyone
59:42
else who may be able to identify anyone at the club? I know two
59:45
people wanted to have trouble getting up here. There were three or four friends
59:51
who stayed around with me and Nancy all the time who saw Santana. Can
59:54
you name them? Yeah, Hardy Anderson. I don't know the whole names.
1:00:00
There was Hetty Coat. What's that name? Eddy Coat? Like a
1:00:07
woman's slip. Why did you call him that? Just a nickname? His
1:00:14
name's Hetty Card. He sells stuff all the time, kind of stuff.
1:00:19
Nope. Yeah, at the East Grand That's where old lop Ear would be
1:00:24
too. Did lop Ear see Santana with Ruby? More than likely anyone else?
1:00:32
Anyone else? I have two or three girls hung around there, and
1:00:37
I was living with one of them for four or five months before I come
1:00:40
down here since Nancy was killed. She worked at the drive in and danced
1:00:46
at a private club on David Street. She used to work for Jack Ruby.
1:00:52
She would be at some of the private parties with Ruby. What's her
1:00:58
name now? I don't know her name. I lived with her for five
1:01:01
months and don't even remember her name. Do you ever remember Santana being called
1:01:09
by his first name? Nope. He was been sitting there drinking and Jack
1:01:14
Ruby come by, rubble on his leg and say, this was my boy?
1:01:22
Was he the Mexican human type? Yes, sir? Did he ever
1:01:27
talk at all? Not to me? Nancy said, he's the boy who's
1:01:31
living with Jack Ruby. What was Nancy doing at the time, I was
1:01:37
hustling her, horn her out, then limping her out for the assassination.
1:01:40
You know when did she start working for Ruby? Ah? She worked for
1:01:46
him, So I'm just write for the assassination three weeks or so before she
1:01:51
went out and stripped for him at a party. Is your impression that Santana
1:01:55
was with Ruby around that time? For that, I'd say. I asked
1:02:02
you earlier about Larry Schmidt. Have you ever seen him? I believe so.
1:02:08
What did he look like? Oh? He was German, not quite
1:02:13
as big as I am, long knows, wavy black hair. Did he
1:02:16
have a German accent? Not that I know of, but he was from
1:02:22
Germany? Yeah, and some more smuggy smudge. Did you ever meet any
1:02:31
of the people who knew Nancy when she worked for the library? Uh?
1:02:36
Maybe the Donnings. What did they do? Edgreey young boys? The police
1:02:42
it's up in front of Nancy's house one night for investigation. Did you ever
1:02:46
know who's pained? No? No, but I knew lots of pains pains
1:02:53
ass Did you ever know any of the people that knew Oswald's wife Marina.
1:03:00
Nope. Did Nancy ever say anything to you about the assassination? At night?
1:03:06
We talked about it. She was real worried about it. She never
1:03:09
did come out and say it. She had a cool hand. Looke,
1:03:15
What does she say that indicated she was worried. Well, at least talk
1:03:20
to her. And they came when Reynolds got shot and said, and she
1:03:22
told me something about that, talking about the hassles, calling back to the
1:03:28
assassination in November, almost two months before Reynolds was shot. Did she talk
1:03:32
about the assassination at all? I left about that time. I stayed for
1:03:37
a while in Vegas and then came back just before Reynolds was shot. Did
1:03:44
she ever say anything about Ruby's connections? She said he was a queer.
1:03:50
He met her like a homosexual. You could get me in with him and
1:03:53
I could make good money. Did you ever ask her what she was talking
1:04:00
about? No? Never did. Here are some pictures of Mario or Bermudez.
1:04:05
Can you identify him the man with the mustache. I've never ever seen
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him before I taken. Nancy was close mouthed after the assassination. Look,
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she was worried. The other girl is too real? Shook up about it?
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Smug smuged? He was shot at in Gardenia, California. Who shot
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at you? Nine months ago? I was at a bar over there and
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had a guy come up and talk to me. It was open, now,
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you know, everybody drinking, paying no attention to what room you were
1:04:43
in. The guy came in and had a gun on him. He talked
1:04:46
to me and finally got around saying something about Reynolds. He said he knew
1:04:50
me, and then I left there and went to catch a bus. Anyway,
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I went down to get the bus and he shot at me. He
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must have used a silencer, because I heard the bullet before I saw him.
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I never heard the bullets before I saw him. He was on foot.
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Yes, I stayed in the garage at a friend's hotel after a while.
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Did you run? Hell? Yeah, pretty fast as fast as I
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could. If he missed me the first time, I wasn't gonna give him
1:05:20
another chance. What did he look like? I don't know. I was
1:05:25
running. Was he fat or thin? Just a man, mister Garrison,
1:05:30
That's all I know. Was he Latino or American American? I guess I
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just wanted to get away. I'm running away, sir, I am not
1:05:41
looking behind me. Why did he shoot at you? He don't just go
1:05:50
up and talk to people like that without a reason. You think I asked
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this fellow why he's shooting at me? I told you I am running no
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way, sir. Did he come from Dallas? I don't know where the
1:06:05
hell he came from. Another time in Long Beach I got shot at How
1:06:15
long ago was this? How about Junior July last year? Somebody wanted me
1:06:23
to go into the police station and give myself up. I told him stop
1:06:28
shooting at me, and they didn't believe me. Was it before or after
1:06:33
the first shooting? After the Gardenia shooting? Was nine months after that?
1:06:47
Another man was killed in Long Beach, a detective or something. It was
1:06:57
a news reporter. They said he was his gun and accidentally put a hole
1:07:00
in his head. Do you know Tom Beckham? I heard his name,
1:07:06
but I don't know where from. I know Tom Howard he got killed.
1:07:10
He used to get me out of jail, didn't charge me, nothing but
1:07:13
a blowjob. And and Nay Wade. He's Henry Wade's brother. He's a
1:07:18
queer too. He knew Jack Ruby as well. Who got you out of
1:07:26
jail, Tom Howard, Tyler Sullivan and Hey Wade Nay Wade. I know
1:07:31
Tom Howard, the friend of Jack Ruby's. Would you tell me again what
1:07:36
Hugh Ainsworth suggested to you? Something about going back to Dallas. I talked
1:07:42
to Lieutenant Cunningham in Dallas. He told me to get out of New Orleans
1:07:45
or I'd be hanged by the balls if I stayed there. Did he say
1:07:49
why he would do this to you? Nope? Did he say anything about
1:07:54
Newsweek? He said, you did not have anything. Do you say anything
1:08:00
about Newsweek in connection with clay Shaw? He said they were representing saw Newsweeks
1:08:06
was representing clay Shaw. That's what he said, sir. So there you
1:08:14
have. They goes Jim Garrison interview. I can only imagine the thoughts going
1:08:28
through Jim Garrison's mind after talking to that some bitch. Holy wow, no
1:08:32
wonder. He never used him against clay Shaw. But man, man or
1:08:45
man. Now, what's interesting about all this is that Warren Reynolds also was
1:08:55
friendly with General Walker, General Edwin Walker in Dallas as well. He used
1:09:02
to talk to the General all the time. It was the extreme right winger
1:09:05
like the General I believe was instrumental in getting h. Reynolds to speak to
1:09:15
the Warrant Commission. Was General Walker. Ah, so very interesting there we
1:09:21
know he used to visit the General's house, probably probably homosexual tendencies. Like
1:09:30
all the rest of these fellas, I believe Dago would go both ways,
1:09:40
as did Jack Ruby, although apparently he would just he would just eat him
1:09:45
and stuff according to Dago. Uh So let's end this with a bang,
1:09:53
shall we Uh? And as I said, you know, Ordego would go
1:10:01
only to live another five years or so ended up odin passing away. So
1:10:11
next up I have the Mark Lane interview of Warren Reynolds. Mister Reynolds,
1:10:17
where are you employed at the Johnny Reynolds Car Company and were you working there
1:10:26
on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three? Yes, sir. How close
1:10:30
is the used car lot which you work to the scene of the typic killing
1:10:34
one block? Were you there at about one o'clock on the twenty second?
1:10:41
Yes, sir? And then what happened? What did you see? What
1:10:45
did you hear? We were listening if mister Blake would just start, oh
1:10:53
what did you see and what did you hear? Well? We were listening
1:10:57
to the radio about the assassinationation are about to attempt the assassination of Kennedy,
1:11:02
And we heard these shots going off and we run out on this porch and
1:11:06
we saw this gumming who we know later is os Walder, running up the
1:11:11
street and I followed him for a block until I lost him. And then
1:11:15
I was going back to the used car lot, and this policeman stopped me
1:11:17
and asked me what happened, and I told him that I had seen this
1:11:21
man with a gun and I had followed him, but I lost him.
1:11:27
So he took the description in my name and stuff like that, and while
1:11:30
I was talking to him, some television camera was taking the pictures. And
1:11:33
after that I went on back to the used car lot. Were you questioned
1:11:38
by agents of the FBI or the US Secret Service? No, I sure
1:11:43
wasn't. Were you questioned by FBI agents of Secret Service during December nineteen sixty
1:11:47
three, No, sir, I sure it wasn't. Were you questioned by
1:11:53
FBI agents the Secret Service during January sixty four? Yes, sir, I
1:11:58
was. And when was that, sir? That was on January the twenty
1:12:02
first, two agents came out and they talked to me and asked me what
1:12:06
I had seen, and I told them, and they showed me three pictures,
1:12:11
and I identified the pictures of the man I knew then as Lee Harvey
1:12:14
Oswald, and I identified and they left and mister Reynolds. On page one
1:12:20
seventy one of the Warran Commission Report, the commission states Reynolds did not make
1:12:25
positive identification when interviewed by the FBI. What is your coming on that that's
1:12:33
definitely an air you were questioned by agents of the FBI on January twenty first,
1:12:39
sixty four. And then what happened? Well two days after that,
1:12:43
I was closing up to use Parlott one night and I went downstairs to turn
1:12:45
off the lights, and some gunman was hidden down there and he shot me.
1:12:49
He hied me through the glasses right here, and the bullet lodged right
1:12:53
over here. I staged it upstairs and got this towel to stop the blood,
1:12:58
and the gunman ran by. I mean I just caught a blur of
1:13:00
him. Then I went on in the office and I called the police,
1:13:04
and then I laid on a car on a devon until they got there.
1:13:11
Mister Reynolds who knew about your questioning by the FBI between the time you were
1:13:15
actually questioned by them and the time that you were shot by two days later,
1:13:19
just my friends and well, of course my family. Do you think
1:13:24
the attack upon you in January was related to what you had seen on November
1:13:28
twenty second? I believe the only way we can find out is to find
1:13:31
out who shot me and to prove what he did, and then we could
1:13:35
figure from now. Do you know whether or not the commission conducted an investigation
1:13:41
to determine whether or not there was a relationship between these two events. I
1:13:46
heard that they asked Captain Fritz his opinion. Well, I'd like to read
1:13:50
to you, mister Reynolds, Captain Fritz's testimony, his entire testimony in this
1:13:55
area. He was questioned by an attorney for the Warrant Commissioner, who asked
1:13:58
him that I'm now reading from volume four, page two thirty five. Did
1:14:03
you hear of Warren Reynolds. Warren Reynolds, he was shot sometimes afterwards,
1:14:10
used car lot man, Yeah, used car lot man. Yeah. I
1:14:13
talked to him, he was shot through the head. Yes, I didn't
1:14:16
talk to him very long because I didn't have talk to him long. I
1:14:20
didn't have to talk to him very long. But he told me two or
1:14:23
three different stories. And I could tell he was a sick man, and
1:14:26
he had no doubt brain damage from that bullet. And he is apt to
1:14:30
say anything. What did he say? He told me that he told me
1:14:35
two or three stories. One story he told me when they brought him in
1:14:40
to me for me to talk to him. He told me that he saw
1:14:43
this Ruby coming down there, and he told him he said, he followed
1:14:48
him and saw which way he went. Ruby saw Oswald, Oswald, Yes,
1:14:57
Oswald. And I questioned him further, and I I asked him how
1:15:00
far how close was the closest you were ever to him? How far were
1:15:04
you from him? And he said, well, from that car lot across
1:15:09
the street there. Well, of course, if he had been at a
1:15:13
car lot across the street, it would be difficult to follow him on the
1:15:16
sidewalk. It would be quite difficult. So I talked to him for just
1:15:20
a short time, and I didn't bother with him anymore. I already had
1:15:25
some history on him because the other bureau, the forgery bureau, had been
1:15:29
briefing and handling him, and they had already told me a lot about him.
1:15:33
They discounted anything that he said. Did you find out who shot him
1:15:38
and why he was shot? The man on the car light? Yeah,
1:15:43
well they think it might have been over a car deal gone bad, but
1:15:45
they're not positive, and I don't know that he will ever tell them the
1:15:49
truth. Have you ever discovered any connection between the shooting of Warren Reynolds and
1:15:55
the killing of the president. Never the assassination of the president, none at
1:15:59
all. The killing of Tippet, No, we found nothing. We checked
1:16:04
everything. Any connection between Oswald and Warren Reynolds, or Ruby and Warren Reynolds,
1:16:11
we found no connection. We had all kinds of rumors, of course,
1:16:15
that they were connected, or we didn't find anything. Did you investigate
1:16:18
it, Yes, sir, I had some officers investigated, and the forgery
1:16:23
Bureau investigated him because they were already working on the shooting case. They handled
1:16:28
all the shootings where people were not killed. See, then it wouldn't be
1:16:31
a homicide. I see what is You're coming, mister Reynolds upon Captain Fritz's
1:16:39
judgment on you. I believe Captain Fritz is a probably a very fine police
1:16:45
officer. I don't believe he's a real good doctor. My physician is doctor
1:16:53
Tom Nash said. There is definitely no brain damage, and I'm just as
1:16:57
normal as I've always been. The Commission concluded on page six sixty three of
1:17:02
its report that it was wild speculation for anyone to think that there might be
1:17:08
a connection between the fact that you were shot in January and the fact that
1:17:12
you observed the gun and sleeve from the scene of the Tippet shooting and positively
1:17:16
identified him as Oswald. But after the shooting you weren't very sure. Well,
1:17:26
sir, one can see why. So fascinating stuff, folks. Fascinating
1:17:36
stuff about Daego and Warren Reynolds and the like, all kinds of crazy stuff
1:17:43
going on with old uh Dago and a lot of these Dallas characters, and
1:17:50
the Garrison investigation in New Orleans is always a colorful place to be. That's
1:17:58
right Daygo for Daego, Hei Old Gardner and Johnny My, Warren Reynolds and
1:18:09
Captain Wilfritz and Ken Elliott and Jim Garrison. This is big bad, bob
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