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Mental Health Matters Renew Your Mind, Renew Your Life - EP-023 - As A Dog Returns to His Vomit · Mental Health Matters - Overcomers.tv

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  Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Mental Health Matters, Desert View
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  Speaker 2: Counseling with also Pastor Cody Quevedo. He's a humble guy.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't put his pastor in front of his title
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  Speaker 2: there on his name, but he's a shepherd, say the least.
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  Speaker 2: Good to see you, brother.
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  Speaker 3: You too. I'm glad to be here.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Rick has another appointment starting in about 10 minutes, so
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  Speaker 2: he trusted us to do this episode ourselves. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to update this title here that's scrolling along the bottom.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about as a dog returns to
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  Speaker 2: its vomit, so Um, what's your thoughts? I'll bring up
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  Speaker 2: that verse here in a minute. Um, but yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: want to share on that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: And, you know, as I'm thinking about this, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I want to obviously speak to the audience that there
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  Speaker 5: is a, I believe that there's a big difference between
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  Speaker 5: struggling with your sin and snuggling with your sin.
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  Speaker 2: Um, Right.
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  Speaker 6: Because there's certain things that we all struggle with, whether
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  Speaker 6: that's pride, whether that's lust, whether that's, you know, depression, anxiety,
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  Speaker 6: there's certain things that, that we struggle with that we're
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  Speaker 6: seeking help for.
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  Speaker 3: We're taking it to.
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  Speaker 6: The Lord, you know, we're in prayer about constantly, but
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  Speaker 6: there's still be, there's still maybe those, those, you know,
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  Speaker 6: kind of like CR talks about those hurts, habits and
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  Speaker 6: hangups that kind of follow us.
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  Speaker 3: But I think, you know, when.
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  Speaker 6: I look at like Proverbs 26, 11, Like a dog
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  Speaker 6: returns to his mom, a foal repeats his folly.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 6: And I think sometimes that can also translate to like
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  Speaker 6: the snuggling with sin.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's things we know we shouldn't do and we
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  Speaker 3: choose to.
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  Speaker 2: Do it anyways.
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  Speaker 6: There's not really that battle there. It's a conscious choice
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  Speaker 6: that I'm going to do this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. And then there's presumptuous sins.
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  Speaker 2: There's sins without knowledge. There's that, you know, even priests
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  Speaker 2: in the Old Testament were making atonement for. but then
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  Speaker 2: there's sin with knowledge. It reminds me when I was
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  Speaker 2: back in my late twenties, when I was running with
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  Speaker 2: the devil and smoking crack, driving around, I was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: my license was suspended and I knew it because I
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  Speaker 2: missed the court date and I was too busy doing
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  Speaker 2: everything else. And I did get pulled over and with
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  Speaker 2: a suspended license. And in the conversation, I alluded to that.
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  Speaker 2: I knew it was, I just hadn't got a chance to.
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  Speaker 2: So they're like, well, since you're driving, with a suspended
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  Speaker 2: license with knowledge, I have to arrest you or going
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  Speaker 2: to jail. And if I like, wow, I had no
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  Speaker 2: idea I paid that ticket. It was a clerical error.
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  Speaker 2: I can probably prove it. Well, here's a ticket, go
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  Speaker 2: to court, figure it out, you know, but since I
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  Speaker 2: knew I was driving around with a suspended license that
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  Speaker 2: changed the whole offense. Cause then, and they, they took
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  Speaker 2: me to jail, you know, which made me see the
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  Speaker 2: judge the next day and deal with whatever, I needed
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  Speaker 2: to deal with to get back on track and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: get my license unsuspended, all that. So anyway, I kind
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  Speaker 2: of think of the same thing here, especially being in ministry.
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  Speaker 2: You and I, again, read the Bible front to cover,
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  Speaker 2: work with the Bible, minister, counsel from the Bible. We
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  Speaker 2: know better. We're giving counsel. And so, yeah, it's a.
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  Speaker 2: My pastors say grace is for slipping, not for jumping.
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  Speaker 2: yeah so that's the kind of the same thought there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah absolutely um.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what was it proverbs 26 what was it.
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  Speaker 3: Uh proverbs 26 11 26.
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  Speaker 2: 11 yeah so i'll bring that up while we're talking now.
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  Speaker 3: And really i think too that.
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  Speaker 6: I think verses 11 and 12 are kind of powerful
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  Speaker 6: when you look at them together.
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  Speaker 3: You know, because verse 12 goes on to say, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, do you see a man.
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  Speaker 6: Who is wise in his own eyes? There's more hope
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  Speaker 6: for a fool than him, right? And I think sometimes
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  Speaker 6: when we think about that a dog returning to its
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  Speaker 6: own vomit as a fool repeats his folly, I also
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  Speaker 6: think that that goes hand in hand with, oh, I
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  Speaker 6: got this. I can, you know, I can handle this
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  Speaker 6: on my own, or I have my own way of
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  Speaker 6: doing things.
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  Speaker 3: Like, you hear people say, well, this is just who
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  Speaker 3: I am. I'm, I'm just me.
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  Speaker 6: And I think that can be very concerning because when
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  Speaker 6: we feel like we are able to, um, overcome certain things,
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  Speaker 6: the reality is, is oftentimes we're not like, I remember
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  Speaker 6: for me when I relapsed, I was, I was thinking
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  Speaker 6: to myself, like, you know, I can handle a glass
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  Speaker 6: of wine.
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  Speaker 2: No big deal.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I got this.
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  Speaker 3: I'm strong enough on this. And next thing, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not even.
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  Speaker 6: Two weeks later, I'm almost drinking a whole bottle of
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  Speaker 6: Tito's in one night. So it went from me thinking
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  Speaker 6: that I was, you know, wiser than I am in
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  Speaker 6: order for me to see how far I really, I've really, um, or.
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  Speaker 3: Not how far I've fallen, but how weak I can
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  Speaker 3: be in those matters, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: For sure. A little leaven leavens the whole lump is
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  Speaker 2: another just a little bit starts working its way through
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  Speaker 2: the dough. And, you know, we use words like compromise, backslidden.
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  Speaker 2: There's some terms for it. God will heal the backslider. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so, yeah, that's a that's an amazing.
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  Speaker 6: Verse.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, there's 31 chapters of Proverbs I might
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  Speaker 2: want to just add. That's one for every calendar day
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  Speaker 2: of the month. Especially in the 30th, read both 30th
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  Speaker 2: and chapter 31. And there's some people that will do
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  Speaker 2: it every day, whatever the calendar day is. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: today's the 29th. We'll read the chapter 29. And it's
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  Speaker 2: just full of wisdom. And this whole, you know, returning
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  Speaker 2: to his vomit, we talk about it a lot in
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  Speaker 2: Celebrate Recovery. It's a key verse because of the word relapse.
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  Speaker 2: And again, once you relapse, sometimes people just keep going
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  Speaker 2: with it until it's, you know, something bad really happens.
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  Speaker 2: It says, he who covers his sins will not prosper,
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  Speaker 2: but he whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.
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  Speaker 2: So it's really easy. And we have a little comment
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  Speaker 2: from our friend, Natasha. What's up, girl? Eres, Natasha, eres.
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  Speaker 2: Que pasa? Que pasa? Anyway, and then she says, I
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  Speaker 2: have my days of it as well. So, again, you know,
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  Speaker 2: confessing it, talking about it, doing things in secret, and
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  Speaker 2: especially for, like, guys, it's always the porn thing, right? Lusting,
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  Speaker 2: appetite out of control, looking at a woman and lusting
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  Speaker 2: for her. Jesus said, you've committed adultery with her.
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  Speaker 7: In your heart.
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  Speaker 2: So that's where God's, that's why we talk about mental
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  Speaker 2: health matters.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And here she's confessing to the smoking. She's a smoker.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, we know it's hard to, that's probably one
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  Speaker 2: of the hardest things to quit nicotine, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: there's all kinds of things. So, you know, and then
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  Speaker 2: she's like, Hey y'all laugh out loud. I love when
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  Speaker 2: we get some interaction from the, from our crowd as
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  Speaker 2: we record our shows. But, um, uh, I'll throw it
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  Speaker 2: back to you after this. First John one nine says,
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  Speaker 2: if we confess our sins to God, he is faithful
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  Speaker 2: and just. to forgive us our sins and wash us
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  Speaker 2: clean of all unrighteousness. And I think we play that
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  Speaker 2: grace card too often. I did it again. I did
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  Speaker 2: it again. I did it again. I did it again.
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  Speaker 2: James 5, 16 says, confess your trespasses one to another
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  Speaker 2: and pray for one another that you may be healed.
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  Speaker 2: And that's where the victory comes from these secret sins
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  Speaker 2: that we keep doing like a dog returning to his vomit.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I think the victory comes because if you
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  Speaker 2: talk to a real person like me and you in incompetence, saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I did this, and it's like, oh, I'm praying for you, bro.
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  Speaker 2: Next time I feel like doing it, I may not
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  Speaker 2: do it just because I don't want to tell you
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  Speaker 2: I did it again. That might be the one little
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  Speaker 2: thing that's going to help me get over the top
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  Speaker 2: and stop and quit because I know you're going to
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  Speaker 2: ask me about it the next time I see you.
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  Speaker 2: Your turn.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
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  Speaker 6: Bringing in the mental health matters side of this, something
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  Speaker 6: I say all the time is whatever you lend your
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  Speaker 6: mind to, you'll eventually give your time to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 6: Those there's those things that we persistently think about it like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: you know, we rationalize it, like even with relapse, with.
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  Speaker 3: You know, watching pornography, with whatever it may be.
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  Speaker 6: Oftentimes before we do it, we've already had the conversation
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  Speaker 6: with ourselves.
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  Speaker 3: At least. Like, oh no, I'll be okay, I got this, right?
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  Speaker 6: But the idea of constantly thinking about it drives you
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  Speaker 6: to action.
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  Speaker 3: And that's just the reality of life.
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  Speaker 6: And that's why the Bible tells us to be transformed
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  Speaker 6: by the renewing of your mind. When you have those thoughts,
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  Speaker 6: take them captive and submit them to Christ. Paul says
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  Speaker 6: in Ephesians, do not take part in the unfruitful works
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  Speaker 6: of darkness, but rather expose them. So what I always
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  Speaker 6: preach and teach and tell people and try to live
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  Speaker 6: out myself is before it gets to sin, confess it.
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  Speaker 6: Even if it's a thought that you just can't get
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  Speaker 6: out of your head, confess that to somebody.
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  Speaker 3: Talk through that with somebody else. Get rid of it
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  Speaker 3: before it even becomes a sin.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 6: Let's let's get this taken care of right away. And
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  Speaker 6: it's funny you're going here because this is exactly what
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  Speaker 6: I was thinking, too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Right. James talks about how we're tempted by by ourselves,
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  Speaker 6: like it's we're tempted by our flesh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let me read it for James one, starting in 12.
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  Speaker 2: Blessed is the man who endures temptation when he has
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  Speaker 2: been approved. He'll received the crown of life. You can
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  Speaker 2: do a whole study on all the crowns, which is
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  Speaker 2: quite fascinating. The crown of life, which the Lord has
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  Speaker 2: promised to those who love him. So the greatest commandment
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  Speaker 2: is to love God with all your heart, mind, and soul.
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  Speaker 2: Not be religious. It's not about religion. It's about relationship.
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  Speaker 2: And you love people you're in a relationship. At least
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  Speaker 2: you will until they drive you crazy and you want
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  Speaker 2: to choke them. But anyway, God's perfect. Those who love him, right? 13,
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  Speaker 2: let no one say when he's tempted, I'm tempted by God.
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  Speaker 2: For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he
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  Speaker 2: himself tempt anyone. That's the tempter's job. That would be Satan.
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  Speaker 2: Verse 14. But each one is tempted when he's drawn
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  Speaker 2: away by his own desires and enticed. Then when desire
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  Speaker 2: has conceived, that's when you're thinking about it, it gives
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  Speaker 2: birth to sin. That's missing the mark. And sin, when
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  Speaker 2: it's full grown, brings forth death. That's the problem. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's all that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. And I think that beautifully illustrates that idea of
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  Speaker 6: what you lend your mind to, you'll eventually give your
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  Speaker 6: time to. So for those struggling with certain things, you know,
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  Speaker 6: my encouragement would be talk about it before it comes
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  Speaker 6: to sin, talk about it when it's in the mind,
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  Speaker 6: before it becomes action, you know, confess that stuff to
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  Speaker 6: somebody else, have those conversations, pray for each other and
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  Speaker 6: build each other up before you feel like you backslidden
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  Speaker 6: before you feel like you've.
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  Speaker 3: Already missed the mark.
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  Speaker 6: And now there's no redemption because that's the other thing
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  Speaker 6: that the enemy will do is is he'll tempt you,
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  Speaker 6: and then when you slip up, he'll then tell.
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  Speaker 2: You you're not good enough, right?
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  Speaker 3: You're just condemned.
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  Speaker 6: But Romans 8 says that there is therefore now no
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  Speaker 6: condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. So that's
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  Speaker 6: my encouragement to everybody is before it even becomes an action.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm glad you brought that verse up because, again,
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  Speaker 2: within a church, there are people who still habitually sinned,
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  Speaker 2: And then it makes people want to question their salvation.
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  Speaker 2: So Romans 8, we just last month was 9-11. So
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  Speaker 2: I want to unpack Romans 8-1 because for the longest time,
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  Speaker 2: and I would, I was one of those guys who
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  Speaker 2: struggled with porn. And I would feel, I wasn't, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like a doofus, you know, five seconds after,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I was done. Therefore, there is no condemnation
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  Speaker 2: for those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not
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  Speaker 2: walk according to the flesh. So you've got to keep reading.
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  Speaker 2: If you just read this one verse and drop the mic,
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  Speaker 2: you'll come up with a conclusion that, okay, so if
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  Speaker 2: I'm fleshing out, I might expect some condemnation because I'm
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  Speaker 2: walking in the flesh. And I have to walk in
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  Speaker 2: the spirit, which sounds like perfect obedience. But he unpacks
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  Speaker 2: it in 9-11. So easy way to remember it. Romans 8, 9-11.
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  Speaker 2: But you are not in the flesh, but in the spirit,
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  Speaker 2: if indeed, The Spirit of God dwells in you. You're
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  Speaker 2: going to see this four times. Dwelling in you. And
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  Speaker 2: this is the difference between religion and relationship with God.
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  Speaker 2: He wants to dwell in you. Now, if anyone does
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  Speaker 2: not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his.
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  Speaker 2: That's the person who's not saved. Because he hasn't received
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  Speaker 2: Christ inside. It's an inside job. Verse 10. And if
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  Speaker 2: Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin,
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  Speaker 2: but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Verse 11.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go.
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  Speaker 4: Ready?
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  Speaker 2: But if, big if, if the Spirit of Him, that's
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  Speaker 2: Holy Spirit, who raised Jesus from the dead, dwells in you,
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  Speaker 2: He who raised Christ from the dead will also give
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  Speaker 2: life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells
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  Speaker 2: in you. That's the game changer. So you still have
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  Speaker 2: the possibility of having the Holy Spirit inside you and
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  Speaker 2: still do secret sins, which you should have a level
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  Speaker 2: of conviction because it's You're dragging the Holy Spirit into
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  Speaker 2: the mud with you. Or is that same proverb as
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  Speaker 2: a dog returns to his vomit or a pig having
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  Speaker 2: been washed returns to the mud or the mire? You know,
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  Speaker 2: you give a pig a bath. Next thing you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's doing backstrokes in the mud again. Like, hello, we
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  Speaker 2: just got cleaned up and now you're back in the mud.
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  Speaker 2: So God looks at our sin a lot like the
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  Speaker 2: same way. Your turn.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And, you know, kind of along the lines of that,
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  Speaker 6: one of the things that I like to say too,
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  Speaker 6: in terms of Romans eight as a whole is that,
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  Speaker 6: you know, when.
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  Speaker 3: We slim, we feel like we've fallen. We feel like
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  Speaker 3: we backslidden.
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  Speaker 6: Condemnation kicks you while you're down and conviction lifts you
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  Speaker 6: up to try again. Right.
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  Speaker 3: So the Holy Spirit.
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  Speaker 2: Condemnation kicks you while you're down. Conviction lifts you up
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  Speaker 2: to try again. That's good. That's really good.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 6: And we even see that, um, In Proverbs as well,
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  Speaker 6: a righteous man may fall seven times, but he gets
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  Speaker 6: back up again. So the idea there is that when
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  Speaker 6: we have this idea of, you know, I've messed up,
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  Speaker 6: I've fallen, I've done something I shouldn't have. Condemnation makes
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  Speaker 6: you feel like you're not good enough. It makes you
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  Speaker 6: feel like you can't up and keep going, that God
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  Speaker 6: has forgotten you. He's forsaken you. He doesn't love you
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  Speaker 6: because you've done all this. Those are the lies from
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  Speaker 6: the pit of hell. The Holy Spirit, on the other hand, says, hey,
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  Speaker 6: you messed up. It's time to get back up and
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  Speaker 6: let's do this again. Let's try this again. It's time
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  Speaker 6: to grow up. It's time to learn from your mistakes.
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  Speaker 6: It's time to mature spiritually and continue to trust me
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  Speaker 6: as you.
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  Speaker 3: Walk through this process of sanctification.
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  Speaker 6: And in 2 Thessalonians, it's either 2 Thessalonians or 1 Thessalonians,
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  Speaker 6: Paul writes to that church and he says that it
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  Speaker 6: is God himself who sanctifies you. So when we mess
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  Speaker 6: up and we have that conviction to grow, it's the
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  Speaker 6: Holy Spirit himself helping us become more mature, helping us
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  Speaker 6: walk in the spirit, um, as we surrender and partner in,
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  Speaker 6: you know, and do the things we're.
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  Speaker 3: Supposed to do. Um, but yeah, that's what I tell
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  Speaker 3: people all the time is that, you know, when.
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  Speaker 6: You make a mistake, cause it's not a matter of, of,
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  Speaker 6: you know, if, when, cause we all do. Condemnation kicks
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  Speaker 6: you while you're down, but conviction lifts you up to
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  Speaker 6: try again.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And again, um, we try to read in, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Romans eight is the, centerpiece of the book of Romans
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  Speaker 2: the whole book is amazing I just started teaching it
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  Speaker 2: at our church I only did chapter 1 next time
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  Speaker 2: I teach will be chapter 2 try to cover a
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  Speaker 2: whole chapter at a time but there's so many nuggets
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  Speaker 2: in chapter 8 and I wanted to say let's continue
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  Speaker 2: to read because if we keep reading it makes a
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  Speaker 2: point in 12 and 13 which is important therefore brethren
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  Speaker 2: we are debtors not to the flesh to live according
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  Speaker 2: to the flesh for if you live according to the
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  Speaker 2: flesh you'll die but if by the spirit you'll put
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  Speaker 2: to death the deeds of the body you will live.
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  Speaker 2: For as many who are led by the Spirit of God,
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  Speaker 2: these are the sons of God. For you did not
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  Speaker 2: receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you
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  Speaker 2: received the spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, Abba, Father,
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  Speaker 2: which is basically saying, Daddy, Daddy, because it's a relationship.
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  Speaker 2: The Spirit of Him bears witness with our spirit that
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  Speaker 2: we are children of God. And I like to add
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  Speaker 2: in there that we still mess up. We still sometimes
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  Speaker 2: choose to scratch an itch, whatever that itch may be,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: fill in the blank, whatever. It's different for everybody. Chocolate,
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  Speaker 2: when they shouldn't be eating chocolate or whatever, caffeine, nicotine, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of ways. And he's saying this, back
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  Speaker 2: to James, sin, full grown, leads to death. Could even
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  Speaker 2: be a spiritual separation where you just give up on
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  Speaker 2: God and you turn into unbelief and he turns you
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  Speaker 2: over to a debased mind. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: really receive the Holy Spirit on the inside. I'm convinced
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  Speaker 2: that the Holy Spirit is in you, that he just
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  Speaker 2: said four times, he's not going anywhere. You're his, you're sealed,
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  Speaker 2: you may actually have an early grave. I think there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of believers that have, according to Ephesians 2.10,
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  Speaker 2: good works that God prepared beforehand that we should walk
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  Speaker 2: in them. I think stupidity, bad decisions like running a
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  Speaker 2: red light when you should have stopped could kill you
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  Speaker 2: in that intersection in a car accident. Premature death, you know.
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  Speaker 2: You hear, oh, his number's up, his number's up.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: Proverbs 3 starts off with, if you keep his commandments,
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  Speaker 2: length of days will be added to you with life
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  Speaker 2: and peace. Obedience brings a long life. Disobedience can cut
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  Speaker 2: it short. And I believe the once saved, always saved thing.
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  Speaker 2: If the Holy Spirit is in you, you can confidently say,
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  Speaker 2: my spirit bears witness with his spirit. I'm a child
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  Speaker 2: of God. Nothing changes. But I still believe that there
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  Speaker 2: are believers saved that are having premature death because of
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  Speaker 2: their disobedience. Your thoughts on some of that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah and.
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  Speaker 6: You know as you were reading i just want to
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  Speaker 6: go back a little bit as you were reading you
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  Speaker 6: know the rest of or the latter half of romans
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  Speaker 6: 8 it reminds me of galatians 5 um you know
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  Speaker 6: 16 to 23 where Paul talks about something very similar
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  Speaker 6: to this, this contention between the spirit and the flesh
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  Speaker 6: and how the flesh.
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  Speaker 3: You know, opposes the spirit. The spirit opposes the flesh
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  Speaker 3: to keep you from doing the things that you want
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  Speaker 3: to do. And he gives us really long list of
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  Speaker 3: acts of the flesh, right? Similar things where when you
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  Speaker 3: walk in the.
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  Speaker 6: Flesh, it's death, adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, um, idolatry, sorcery, hatred,
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: you know, contentions, jealousies, fits of rage, or outbursts of wrath,
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  Speaker 6: selfish ambition, dissensions, heresies, envy.
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  Speaker 3: There's a whole list of different things.
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  Speaker 2: Murders is obvious. Drunkenness, revelries, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: There's a whole list of things of what we should
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  Speaker 6: abstain from and stay away from. Because when we're walking
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: in the flesh, we're walking in those things. And I
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: love what happens in verses.
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  Speaker 4: 22 and 23.
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  Speaker 3: But the fruit of the Spirit.
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  Speaker 6: Is love, joy, peace, long suffering, or patience, depending on
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: the translation, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. And against such things,
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  Speaker 6: there is no law. And those who are in Christ
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: have crucified their flesh along with its desires. And if
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  Speaker 6: we live in the spirit, let us also walk in
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  Speaker 6: the spirit. Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the key. I was teaching on this the
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  Speaker 3: other night, too.
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  Speaker 6: That when you really look at the fruit of the flesh,
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  Speaker 6: the acts of the flesh, as compared to the fruit
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: of the Spirit, the acts of the flesh are often
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  Speaker 6: very selfish in nature.
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  Speaker 3: The fruit of the Holy Spirit are selfless.
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  Speaker 6: And one of the things I like to say is
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  Speaker 6: there's not a single tree on earth that eats of
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  Speaker 6: its own fruit.
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  Speaker 3: There's not a single vine that eats of its own fruit.
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  Speaker 3: The spiritual fruit we grow is not for us.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: It's for everybody around us. That's a really good point.
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  Speaker 6: So when we grow in love, that love isn't for us.
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  Speaker 6: It's to show the love of Christ to other people,
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  Speaker 6: to be patient with other people as he is patient
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  Speaker 6: with us, to be good, to be gentle.
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  Speaker 3: All these things that we see, that fruit's not for us.
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  Speaker 3: It's for other people.
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  Speaker 6: But we're not going to get there going back to
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  Speaker 6: our original verse, right? We're not going to get to
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  Speaker 6: that point of being spiritually mature. We're constantly returning to
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  Speaker 6: the things we know we're going to bring this farm spiritually.
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  Speaker 2: Amen. That's good. So let's round the corner. Let's talk
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: about Desert View. We're partners here locally in Farmington. There's
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  Speaker 2: a phone number scrolling along the bottom, 505-326-7878. For those
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: listening to the podcast, audio only, later, Rick Quevedo, Cody Quevedo, MyDesertView.org
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: is their website. MyDesertView.org is their website. But, you know, having,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: scheduling an appointment to talk to somebody about the habit,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: habitual sin or whatever, there brings accountability to it. And
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: you'll be strong. You walk out of that room stronger
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: than when you walked in. So talk about the importance of, one,
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  Speaker 2: supporting ministries like yours that are really toe-to-toe helping people
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: work through this stuff. Because there's a mental battle going on.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: The enemy's wanting to destroy you, saying you're not worthy.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: You're never going to quit. That's who you are. And
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: the Bible says whoever's in Christ is a new creation.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: And I always like to say, whenever I say in Christ,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: in Christ in you. It's a two-way thing. He's in you.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: You're in him.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: So talk about ways people can get involved. support desert
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: view family services and counseling.
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah absolutely and you're absolutely right you know the the
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: um the forefront of spiritual battlefield always takes place within
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: the mind which is why i believe in what we
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: do of you know walking with people through substance abuse
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: walking with people through anxiety depression these different things that
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: they have mentally um And that's part of, you know,
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  Speaker 6: we offer substance abuse counseling, we offer mental health counseling,
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  Speaker 6: both individual, family, group.
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  Speaker 3: And the other side of that, too, is one of
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  Speaker 3: the things that.
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  Speaker 6: We do is we also do a lot of field, in-house,
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  Speaker 6: in-school programs because oftentimes when we're faced with devastation or
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  Speaker 6: faced with hardships physically, with tangibly, with, you know, food disparities,
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: clothing disparities, maybe, you know, we lost our income or
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: we're having a hard time paying the bills. that also
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: affects your mental state.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: They go hand in hand.
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: So we also have programs to help people in challenges
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: like that, that if there's things going on from a physical.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Perspective, you need resources. Maybe there's some things going on
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: within the schools with your children, whatever it may be.
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: I'm really trying to take this comprehensive approach to helping
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: people heal and grow and also understanding that it's a process, right?
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: We're not going to fix things overnight. That's just the
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: reality of things. And, some of the ways that people
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  Speaker 6: get involved is you can always donate. We are a
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  Speaker 6: nonprofit 501c3.
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  Speaker 3: So donations always help.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 6: And if you need help, I would just encourage you
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  Speaker 6: to really reflect on Proverbs 26, 26, 12.
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  Speaker 3: Right. I've been there in my.
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  Speaker 6: Life where I've been too proud to ask for help.
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  Speaker 6: And I've noticed that when I did, it was a
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  Speaker 6: game changer, changed everything for me. You know, you never
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  Speaker 6: know what, asking for help can do in terms of
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: changing your life in ways that you never expected.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Um, so we're absolutely here to help. We're absolutely here
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  Speaker 6: to meet people where they're at. Um, and you know,
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  Speaker 6: hopefully get them back on a path to healing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Amen. And again, there's the website change does begin with you.
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  Speaker 2: You got to want help, uh, seek help, seek first
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all things
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: will be added unto you. That's Matthew 6.33. That's a
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  Speaker 2: great verse. So you have to seek it. Seek and
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  Speaker 2: you'll find. Starts with ask and you'll receive. Seek and
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  Speaker 2: you'll find. Knock and the door will be opened to you.
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  Speaker 2: You can knock on the door by even making the
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  Speaker 2: phone call.
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  Speaker 3: 505.
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  Speaker 2: Here it is coming around.
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  Speaker 7: 505-326-7878.
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  Speaker 2: Or go to My Desert View as well. And we're
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  Speaker 2: here to pray with you. Thanks again, Natasha, for, you know,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: chiming in during our show today on social media. You
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: can share it with a friend too. Mental health matters.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Kind of a spinoff on black lives matter because they do.
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  Speaker 2: And blue lives matter. They do. All lives matter. They do.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're even wrestling with these phrases, your mental
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: health matters. So you're even already have some stinking thinking
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: going on because God so loved the whole world. That's everybody,
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  Speaker 2: every skin color, every culture. Every place on the planet.
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  Speaker 2: You got a pulse? God loves you. And I love
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  Speaker 2: my coffee joke. God loves you like coffee. A latte.
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  Speaker 2: And you can say that to everybody because it's true.
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  Speaker 2: He may not like everything you're doing. Just like a
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: parent doesn't like everything their child is doing. But they'll
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  Speaker 2: talk to him about it and train them and teach
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  Speaker 2: them to be obedient. So God has some disobedient kids
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  Speaker 2: running around. He just does. And, you know, he knows
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  Speaker 2: how to deal with them. But he uses people to
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: help people. That's what I love about our show. I
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: love about your ministry. I love about our partnership. It's partnership.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: We help each other. Like training wheels on a bike.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: And so you can learn how to ride your bike
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: without training wheels. Sometimes we need some training wheels on
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: a season, right?
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. Well, Pastor, you want to lead us
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  Speaker 2: in prayer? I'll close.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 6: Heavenly Father, we thank you for today, just the conversations
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  Speaker 6: that we get to have and the opportunities to partner
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  Speaker 6: with Pastor Chuck and Overcomers TV, Lord. I pray that
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  Speaker 6: the words that were spoken today resonate with people. And
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  Speaker 6: those who are in you that are facing condemnation, they
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  Speaker 6: would be reminded that condemnation is not from you. It
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: is from the enemy, and it is meant to keep
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  Speaker 6: people down, to make people feel as if they're not
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  Speaker 6: good enough, that they've disqualified themselves.
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  Speaker 3: So Lord, I just pray that the conviction of the.
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  Speaker 6: Holy Spirit would overrule their minds, overrule their hearts, and
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: would cause them to seek the changes that they need,
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: to seek the help that they need, to ask when
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: they need to ask.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: And Lord, I just also pray for our community as
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: we have faced so much devastation.
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: I'm thankful for the hand that I've seen through the
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: church of just rallying together, the community rallying together. putting
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: whatever differences we have aside to, to serve those because
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  Speaker 6: your word says that if we do not love those
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: who we can see, we cannot love you who we
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: cannot see. So really being out there to, to love
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: those who we can see and, um, and to bring,
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  Speaker 6: bring your presence, the ministry of presence everywhere we go
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  Speaker 6: and be able.
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  Speaker 3: To speak the truth through your word and of, and
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  Speaker 3: reminding people of your sovereignty, your mercy, your grace. Um, Lord, again,
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  Speaker 3: I just pray for those who are struggling right now.
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  Speaker 6: May their pride be set to the side so that
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: they can ask for help and receive what they need
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: and what they're looking for. Amen.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Lord, for Cody. Thank you for time together
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: to talk about this. And Lord, even when we're by
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  Speaker 2: ourselves and we are tempted or have a thought, help
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: us to take that captive and be obedient in every
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: area of our lives. All for your glory. And help
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  Speaker 2: us keep clean hands, pure hearts, and a mind fixed
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  Speaker 2: and focused on you who gives us that perfect peace.
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  Speaker 2: In Jesus' name we pray. Amen and amen.
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  Speaker 7: Amen.
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  Speaker 6: Awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Good stuff. Until our next episode of Mental Health Matters,
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  Speaker 2: may you and your families be blessed. Thanks, Cody. Thank you.
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