Latest / The Late Debate / The Late Debate | 23 July
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Wel late, Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Dnikity Georgio,
- 0:09Speaker 1: joined by kaylab Bond and James McPherson. This is a
- 0:13Speaker 1: very discombobulated set tonight. Well, so I just want to
- 0:17Speaker 1: preface by saying, James said, oh, I've got to sit
- 0:19Speaker 1: in the girl's chair tonight, like whoa, You're going to
- 0:22Speaker 1: get cooties or something.
- 0:23Speaker 2: Well, I've reconsidered that and now I think maybe sitting
- 0:25Speaker 2: in this seat will give me special wisdom because you
- 0:28Speaker 2: come up with some great lines. So maybe thanks, no,
- 0:33Speaker 2: I'm here. I'm saying, maybe it's not you. Maybe it's
- 0:36Speaker 2: the seat. We'll find out tonight.
- 0:38Speaker 1: Right backman, and if you obviously James McPherson's had a
- 0:42Speaker 1: busy night. He's the busiest man on the network. He
- 0:44Speaker 1: hosted Cherry and he's back to host this program.
- 0:46Speaker 3: What a Metal.
- 0:47Speaker 1: He's obviously trying to he's trying to score.
- 0:49Speaker 2: Brown podcast this morning, and you're on my podcast.
- 0:52Speaker 4: As I said, what a suckhole. But this just doesn't
- 0:55Speaker 4: feel right. This, this just does not feel you know,
- 0:58Speaker 4: normally I look over there and I get to look
- 1:00Speaker 4: at Deneka, and at least Anika is quite attractive.
- 1:03Speaker 5: But now, James McPherson.
- 1:07Speaker 3: Tell you what these blokes they keep me alive? Don't they.
- 1:12Speaker 1: Coming up tonight? A muslab leader tells a Sydney counselor
- 1:16Speaker 1: to keep her mouth shut after she opposed an Islamic
- 1:20Speaker 1: call to prayer broadcast at a Sydney mosque.
- 1:22Speaker 3: Whoever said diversity was our strength?
- 1:25Speaker 1: Australia is in the grips of a youth crime crisis,
- 1:28Speaker 1: So why don't police want you to post videos and
- 1:31Speaker 1: photos of their criminal acts on social media?
- 1:34Speaker 3: And are the robots coming for us?
- 1:36Speaker 1: Open Ai says some of its most advanced AI models
- 1:40Speaker 1: went rogue and hacked.
- 1:42Speaker 3: A start up. Good grief, but first.
- 1:45Speaker 1: Japan is in the middle of a heat wave and
- 1:47Speaker 1: it seems the heat has gone to the office workers' heads.
- 1:51Speaker 1: Hairy legs are now the talk of the workplace as
- 1:54Speaker 1: Tokyo businesses encourage men to swap suits and ties for
- 1:57Speaker 1: t shirts, trainers and shorts effort to stay cool and
- 2:01Speaker 1: reduce energy use. Now this has sparked a very bizarre
- 2:05Speaker 1: workplace culture war of sorts in what has been dubbed
- 2:09Speaker 1: leg hair harassment, referring to the discomfort of seeing male
- 2:12Speaker 1: colleagues leg hair in the office and incredibly, get this.
- 2:16Speaker 1: There's even been an uptick in men getting laser hair
- 2:19Speaker 1: removal in Japan. As a matter of social etiquette when
- 2:22Speaker 1: wearing shorts, a Tokyo Metropolitan Government environmental officials said, we
- 2:28Speaker 1: want to give people more options in the severe heat,
- 2:30Speaker 1: not tell them what to wear.
- 2:32Speaker 3: There should be no.
- 2:33Speaker 1: Issue as long as the work attire is not offensive
- 2:36Speaker 1: to anyone. A survey found fifty three point five percent
- 2:39Speaker 1: of respondents opposed wearing shorts to work during summer, forty
- 2:43Speaker 1: six point five percent supported the idea. Now, among those
- 2:48Speaker 1: against it, the biggest concerns for both men and women.
- 2:51Speaker 3: Were body shape and body hair.
- 2:53Speaker 1: Some women argue it's unfair that they are expected to
- 2:56Speaker 1: wear tights while men are free to bear their legs.
- 3:00Speaker 1: Bear in mind, this is not an unfamiliar debate. Even
- 3:02Speaker 1: for us down Under, there have been air conditioning disputes.
- 3:06Speaker 1: Women often complain workplaces are kept too cold because temperatures
- 3:10Speaker 1: are traditionally set around male metabolic rates, and I, for one,
- 3:14Speaker 1: would absolutely.
- 3:15Speaker 3: Agree with that.
- 3:16Speaker 1: What do you think this, says Caleb, about the standards
- 3:20Speaker 1: of a tire in the workplace.
- 3:22Speaker 5: Well, it's bloody terrible I have.
- 3:29Speaker 4: There, you go, that's the most you're going to get,
- 3:32Speaker 4: and that I wouldn't be doing that normally in the office.
- 3:34Speaker 4: I can tell you I've only done it for your
- 3:36Speaker 4: viewing pleasure at home. Now I think standards have slipped
- 3:41Speaker 4: significantly in the office unfortunately. I mean that the chap
- 3:46Speaker 4: sitting across from me often comes in in a.
- 3:48Speaker 5: T shirt and I would never dream.
- 3:50Speaker 4: Now, I'll admit there are days where I've come into
- 3:52Speaker 4: the office in a polo shirt and that I've felt
- 3:57Speaker 4: uncomfortable doing that, But I've just been out about during
- 4:01Speaker 4: the day or something and i haven't gone home before
- 4:02Speaker 4: I've come in, and so that's what I've done, and
- 4:05Speaker 4: I've not particularly enjoyed doing it. James comes in in
- 4:07Speaker 4: a T shirt. Now, I think this should be banned.
- 4:10Speaker 4: I think in the office, for the most part, men
- 4:14Speaker 4: should be wearing a suit and tie.
- 4:17Speaker 5: You know, women should be.
- 4:18Speaker 4: Wearing dresses or a blouse and a skirt, and things
- 4:23Speaker 4: would be much better if we adhere to those standards.
- 4:26Speaker 4: I mean, once you start saying that there are no
- 4:28Speaker 4: standards when it comes to dress, then it's very easy
- 4:32Speaker 4: to become sloppy about everything else, Because if you don't
- 4:35Speaker 4: care about your appearance and you don't show the people
- 4:38Speaker 4: around you the respect of looking good, then why should
- 4:41Speaker 4: we care about anything else either? I mean, why not
- 4:44Speaker 4: let the kitchen go to rack and ruin. Why don't
- 4:46Speaker 4: we care about the quality of our work?
- 4:48Speaker 5: Why don't we just let the whole place turn into
- 4:50Speaker 5: dust and see how we go? Because whether you like
- 4:55Speaker 5: it or not, it says.
- 4:56Speaker 4: Something about you and the work you produce and the
- 5:00Speaker 4: people around you when you dress well to go to work.
- 5:03Speaker 5: Now, I wouldn't go so far as to have laser
- 5:05Speaker 5: to the heir removal soil my legs.
- 5:07Speaker 4: I can get it well because I'm not a cyclist,
- 5:10Speaker 4: for one, so I don't need to worry about all
- 5:13Speaker 4: of that business. But no, I think this is terrible
- 5:16Speaker 4: that you should have maximum air conditioning so that we
- 5:19Speaker 4: can wear suit and tie all year round.
- 5:21Speaker 5: I reckon well defense.
- 5:24Speaker 2: Wearing a T shirt to the office, I must say
- 5:26Speaker 2: I've lasered the hair off my arm. So Calum and
- 5:29Speaker 2: Nika are not offended in the workplace. I cannot believe
- 5:32Speaker 2: they're upset about some leg here. This is what you know.
- 5:36Speaker 2: Prosperous nations with nothing to worry about start arguing about. Seriously,
- 5:42Speaker 2: people should not be offended by that. But what amuses
- 5:45Speaker 2: me most is that they think by wearing shorts in
- 5:48Speaker 2: the workplace it will have a major effect on energy
- 5:51Speaker 2: consumption and thereby help to save the planet. That is
- 5:54Speaker 2: one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in
- 5:56Speaker 2: my life. If only saving the planet was that easy.
- 6:00Speaker 2: There are shorts and the planet's see.
- 6:02Speaker 3: Well, that's it.
- 6:02Speaker 1: But I actually do not like the idea of wearing
- 6:04Speaker 1: shorts in the office. I think it's wrong. It's just
- 6:08Speaker 1: it's just wrong. Nobody wants to see.
- 6:10Speaker 3: Your pin the ways we'll put your pins away.
- 6:14Speaker 1: I think it's suitable for a woman to wear a
- 6:16Speaker 1: dress or a skirt above the knee, but just just
- 6:19Speaker 1: above the knee. I don't think anything short is appropriate
- 6:22Speaker 1: in the office.
- 6:24Speaker 3: Well, you'd enjoy it, of.
- 6:25Speaker 1: Course, you'd love it, Caleb, but I think you have
- 6:28Speaker 1: to wear it be modest. Now, I will say, obviously,
- 6:30Speaker 1: there is a real workplace culture of Friday you come
- 6:33Speaker 1: into the office and I have only just started wearing
- 6:36Speaker 1: jeans on a Friday in the office in the last
- 6:38Speaker 1: two weeks, and the first time I wore jeans on
- 6:40Speaker 1: a Friday.
- 6:41Speaker 3: I felt really uncomfortable. I felt exposed. I didn't like
- 6:45Speaker 3: it at all.
- 6:46Speaker 1: But now I don't know, I just feel like I'm
- 6:47Speaker 1: getting used to it. But and I understand that that's
- 6:50Speaker 1: what you do on a Fridays, it's casual Fridays. But
- 6:53Speaker 1: I couldn't fathom coming into this office in the middle
- 6:56Speaker 1: of the week wearing inappropriate clothes as if I'm going
- 6:59Speaker 1: out for lunch.
- 7:00Speaker 3: I don't agree with it at all.
- 7:02Speaker 4: I mean, my standards have probably slipped a little bit.
- 7:05Speaker 4: I'm a bit more lax than I used to be
- 7:07Speaker 4: because you know, we come in here later at night,
- 7:10Speaker 4: and there were a few people in the office and whatever.
- 7:12Speaker 4: So perhaps I don't care as much about it, and
- 7:14Speaker 4: maybe I should do something about that. But I don't
- 7:16Speaker 4: normally come in in anything short of you know, at
- 7:18Speaker 4: least Chino's and a shirt or something. But you know,
- 7:21Speaker 4: every day when I was chief of staff at the
- 7:23Speaker 4: Herald Son, I wore a suit and tie. On weekends,
- 7:28Speaker 4: the minimum was sort of a jacket, shirt and chinos.
- 7:31Speaker 4: I never went in in jeans because I sort of
- 7:34Speaker 4: felt that, you know, I was in a semi leadership
- 7:37Speaker 4: position and I had to set a tone for the
- 7:40Speaker 4: rest of the newsroom. And I think it, whether you
- 7:43Speaker 4: like it or not, you rock up in a certain tie,
- 7:46Speaker 4: it says I mean business, and that sort of sets
- 7:48Speaker 4: the tone for how things go from there.
- 7:50Speaker 2: Do you think working from home will change people's attitude
- 7:53Speaker 2: towards the office? It could go one of two ways, right,
- 7:55Speaker 2: because you're in your pajamas and your bed socks or
- 7:58Speaker 2: whatever working And then on those rarecsis that you do
- 8:00Speaker 2: go into the office, do you then dress up because
- 8:03Speaker 2: it's like an occasion or are you so used to
- 8:07Speaker 2: being casual that now people will just adopt casual everywhere.
- 8:11Speaker 2: I think that's probably where the culture is going to go.
- 8:14Speaker 5: I think that's what's caused the change.
- 8:16Speaker 1: Because do you know during COVID there was actually a
- 8:19Speaker 1: massive uptick in people buying tracksuits online.
- 8:23Speaker 3: So a lot of lifestyle.
- 8:24Speaker 1: Brands were raking it in during the pandemic because people
- 8:27Speaker 1: were working from home in their tracksuits. And I don't
- 8:29Speaker 1: think that that's ever left that trend, to be.
- 8:31Speaker 4: Honest, That's another one that really people The track is
- 8:34Speaker 4: outside the house unless you're exercising and you're wearing a
- 8:37Speaker 4: tracksuit for exercise. You don't eat nah, I don't wear
- 8:42Speaker 4: the tracks to the shops. Absolutely not in the house
- 8:45Speaker 4: only it's the only. And don't get me started on
- 8:48Speaker 4: ugg boots and slippers to the show.
- 8:51Speaker 5: I just none of it.
- 8:52Speaker 4: Please please, can we just rest Well, it's nice, you know,
- 8:56Speaker 4: we're losing all the special things in the world, at
- 8:59Speaker 4: least these intact dressing up to go to the officer,
- 9:02Speaker 4: dressing up to go anywhere.
- 9:04Speaker 5: For that matter.
- 9:05Speaker 4: Now, last night we talked about the fact that Pauline
- 9:09Speaker 4: Hansen made comments yesterday on four BC about domestic violence
- 9:13Speaker 4: that were then taken out of context by All on
- 9:16Speaker 4: Sundry to make it sound like she was saying, well, actually,
- 9:19Speaker 4: you know women commit domestic violence, doing it a two
- 9:23Speaker 4: way street, just get yourself out of.
- 9:25Speaker 5: There if you're not happy about it. Now, that is
- 9:27Speaker 5: not what she said.
- 9:28Speaker 4: We talked about it last night, but if you missed it,
- 9:31Speaker 4: this is part of what she said on four BC yesterday.
- 9:35Speaker 6: It's also a two way street. But I'm not saying
- 9:39Speaker 6: that just men and women can lose their cruel as well.
- 9:44Speaker 6: Society is under so much pressure Gary than what it
- 9:47Speaker 6: used to be. Ever has been passed.
- 9:50Speaker 4: And so it set people on fire when she said
- 9:53Speaker 4: it's a two way street. What she was talking about was, yes,
- 9:56Speaker 4: we have a problem with domestic violence committed by men
- 9:59Speaker 4: in this country. Also, in the broader discussion about domestic violence,
- 10:02Speaker 4: we should talk about all domestic violence. I don't think
- 10:05Speaker 4: there is a problem with that. But on the back
- 10:07Speaker 4: of that, the nine papers today have gone and dragged
- 10:11Speaker 4: up a podcast that Pauline Hanson appeared on last year
- 10:16Speaker 4: called The Broken Father's Podcast. It's a hosted by chap
- 10:20Speaker 4: called Jared Percy Purcell, And of course you might have
- 10:23Speaker 4: gathered by the name of the podcast. The tone of
- 10:25Speaker 4: it is that they talk about issues within the family
- 10:29Speaker 4: court and men who then become estranged from their children
- 10:33Speaker 4: because of decisions of the family court.
- 10:35Speaker 5: So paul and Hanson goes on.
- 10:36Speaker 4: This podcast late last year, so no one's noticed up
- 10:40Speaker 4: until this point, and made comments about domestic violence that
- 10:45Speaker 4: the nine papers published today and called an exclusive. Now
- 10:49Speaker 4: I'm not sure it is actually an exclusive if it's
- 10:52Speaker 4: previously been published on a podcast, I suspect you might
- 10:56Speaker 4: say that they had the exclusive. But nevertheless, the nine
- 10:59Speaker 4: newspapers called this and exclusive and had a major go
- 11:03Speaker 4: to for saying what she said. This is an excerpt
- 11:06Speaker 4: from her appearance on The Broken Father's podcast.
- 11:10Speaker 7: You've got to wind back a lot of issues to
- 11:11Speaker 7: do with the family law court. And what I would
- 11:14Speaker 7: say is child support. Go after child support. A lot
- 11:20Speaker 7: of people see it as a cash cow. Domestic violence
- 11:23Speaker 7: takes up about seventy five percent of police officers time
- 11:25Speaker 7: now and that's why we're not dealing through real crime
- 11:28Speaker 7: out there. The whole thing needs to be wound back.
- 11:32Speaker 5: Now.
- 11:32Speaker 4: Look, you can make of the comments what you will.
- 11:35Speaker 4: I'm not sure it would be advisable to say that
- 11:38Speaker 4: the fact police are dealing with domestic violence is a
- 11:41Speaker 4: big problem. And yes, domestic violence is a problem, but
- 11:43Speaker 4: police also.
- 11:45Speaker 5: Need to deal with it.
- 11:46Speaker 4: But again, you can go and listen to the entirety
- 11:48Speaker 4: of the podcast, or you can read the comments that
- 11:51Speaker 4: were published by the nine newspapers in order to generate outrage.
- 11:56Speaker 4: And of course that is what is now happening. I mean,
- 11:58Speaker 4: Pauline Hanson, if you look at the available polling, would
- 12:02Speaker 4: be tomorrow, if there were an election, probably the opposition
- 12:05Speaker 4: leader of this country. So she's coming under more scrutiny
- 12:09Speaker 4: than she ever has, and rightly so. All political figures,
- 12:13Speaker 4: whether it is the opposition leader of the Prime Minister,
- 12:15Speaker 4: Angus Taylor, Anthony Alberanezi, paul In Hanson, Larissa Waters, should
- 12:19Speaker 4: all be put under pressure at various points and they
- 12:22Speaker 4: can either own up to their comments and say, look,
- 12:24Speaker 4: I said what I said, you cop at sweet and
- 12:27Speaker 4: move on, or they.
- 12:28Speaker 5: Can fight it out in the media. I mean, clearly,
- 12:31Speaker 5: what we are.
- 12:31Speaker 4: Now seeing, and it's been going on for a few
- 12:33Speaker 4: months now, is that certain sections of the media will
- 12:36Speaker 4: do anything they can to go after Pauline Hanson. And
- 12:39Speaker 4: that's fine, that is their prerogative. I do wonder though,
- 12:43Speaker 4: now whether Pauline Hanson, having risen to the station she
- 12:48Speaker 4: now has after being a political outsider for thirty odd years,
- 12:52Speaker 4: she is now very much in the mainstream.
- 12:55Speaker 5: She is the woman of the moment.
- 12:58Speaker 4: Whether she needs to be a little more careful about
- 13:00Speaker 4: what she says. And I'm not saying that she needs
- 13:03Speaker 4: to wholesale give up on being Pauline Hansen, because of
- 13:06Speaker 4: course a large part of what makes Pauline Hanson work
- 13:09Speaker 4: is that she says what she thinks. But you also
- 13:13Speaker 4: have to consider, I suppose when you're doing that that
- 13:15Speaker 4: some things are going to be taken out of context,
- 13:18Speaker 4: and so when you're saying them, you perhaps need to
- 13:21Speaker 4: exercise a little more discretion than you otherwise had to.
- 13:25Speaker 2: I think the example is Donald Trump. It could easily
- 13:27Speaker 2: have been said of Donald Trump as he began to
- 13:30Speaker 2: make his course towards the presidency, he's a loose cannon.
- 13:34Speaker 2: But now he's going to become the president of the
- 13:35Speaker 2: United States, he should tighten the way he speaks. Well,
- 13:38Speaker 2: he did the opposite. He just was himself, and then
- 13:41Speaker 2: every time the media misconstrued his comments, he pushed back
- 13:45Speaker 2: on the media, and people went with him because people
- 13:47Speaker 2: were smart enough to realize Trump was often taken out
- 13:51Speaker 2: of context or he didn't really mean what was inferred.
- 13:55Speaker 2: How much more so for Pauline Hanson. It's ludicrous to
- 13:58Speaker 2: think Pauline Hanson is somehow making light of domestic violence,
- 14:02Speaker 2: or suggesting that women just mostly make things up, or
- 14:06Speaker 2: that somehow men are the primary victims of tibet, all
- 14:09Speaker 2: these things that are now being insinuated. I don't think
- 14:12Speaker 2: anybody really believes it. So I think Pauline Hanson should
- 14:16Speaker 2: stick with what's got her to the point where she
- 14:19Speaker 2: is at, which is not speaking like a politician speaking
- 14:23Speaker 2: like your next door neighbor speaks, and we don't misunderstand
- 14:26Speaker 2: our family and friends when they just, you know, say
- 14:30Speaker 2: what's on their mind. And I think Pauline Hanson should
- 14:32Speaker 2: continue and just push back on the media who play
- 14:35Speaker 2: these gotcha games, and I think people will be very sympathetic.
- 14:38Speaker 1: Well, look again, it is their prerogative to go after
- 14:41Speaker 1: politicians and find out information. But I'm just wondering if
- 14:44Speaker 1: this is almost turning into a quasi witch hunt suddenly,
- 14:47Speaker 1: because they're clearly targeting Pauline Hanson. They're trying to find
- 14:50Speaker 1: absolutely little, every little thing that they possibly can to
- 14:53Speaker 1: try and incriminate her. And it would not surprise me
- 14:56Speaker 1: if a lot of these leaks are coming from her
- 14:59Speaker 1: political opponent, like within the Labor Party or the Coalition,
- 15:02Speaker 1: because that's what happens in politics. The politicians, they leak
- 15:07Speaker 1: things out to the media, They do their own research,
- 15:09Speaker 1: they put together their own dirt file of sorts to
- 15:12Speaker 1: try and outplay the competition and try and make their
- 15:16Speaker 1: opponents look bad.
- 15:18Speaker 3: Pauline does need to watch what she says.
- 15:21Speaker 1: I think that sometimes her speech has been very sloppy,
- 15:25Speaker 1: and if you even look at the transcript from that
- 15:27Speaker 1: podcast that was published in the nine newspapers today.
- 15:30Speaker 3: I don't disagree with her.
- 15:31Speaker 1: She was questioning where the payments were always spent on children?
- 15:34Speaker 1: This is in terms of child support. Great question to ask.
- 15:37Speaker 1: I mean that should be something that is being investigated.
- 15:39Speaker 1: What is going on when it comes to child support payments.
- 15:42Speaker 1: I think where she slipped up was in her subsequent
- 15:45Speaker 1: comments where she said domestic violence takes up seventy five
- 15:47Speaker 1: percent of police officers time. Now that's why we're not
- 15:51Speaker 1: dealing with the real crime out there.
- 15:53Speaker 5: Well, because domestic violence is a real crime.
- 15:55Speaker 1: Domestic violence and you know, one of my best friends
- 15:58Speaker 1: is a police officer and her date majority of her
- 16:01Speaker 1: time is spent on DV. She said it goes so
- 16:04Speaker 1: unreported that the media would have no idea just how
- 16:08Speaker 1: bad it is out there. So it is a scourge.
- 16:10Speaker 1: It is really bad and it does need a lot
- 16:13Speaker 1: of time and attention from police. So again it was
- 16:15Speaker 1: a sloppy comment. But this is slopping now from nine newspapers.
- 16:19Speaker 1: I mean, we've just had Anthony Albanesi deliver the worst budget,
- 16:24Speaker 1: the worst budget.
- 16:24Speaker 3: Australians are worse off.
- 16:27Speaker 1: And they don't seem to be doing dirt files on
- 16:30Speaker 1: Anthony Albanesi.
- 16:31Speaker 3: They don't seem to.
- 16:32Speaker 1: Be analyzing every single section of what Anthony Albanesi is
- 16:36Speaker 1: doing wrong and doing expose a's on him.
- 16:39Speaker 3: They're going after Pauline Hanson. It's very clear.
- 16:41Speaker 2: I think it's fair enough to go back through things
- 16:44Speaker 2: that they've said previously that might have gone unreported. It's
- 16:47Speaker 2: just not right to take it out of context. The
- 16:50Speaker 2: other interesting little lesson in this is that these days,
- 16:54Speaker 2: your audience is not your audience. So Pauline Hanson sitting
- 16:57Speaker 2: in that podcast studio talking about men's issues to a man,
- 17:02Speaker 2: which she presumes will be viewed by people who have
- 17:05Speaker 2: a similar sort of perspective on things. But the way
- 17:09Speaker 2: media is now and social media, your audience is not
- 17:13Speaker 2: your audience. I'm talking to you, but I'm actually talking
- 17:17Speaker 2: to the whole world, and that is something that now
- 17:19Speaker 2: everybody has to factor into their conversations. The person you're
- 17:23Speaker 2: talking to may not be the person who's going to
- 17:25Speaker 2: react to what you've just said. It's someone out there,
- 17:27Speaker 2: so you do have to be a little careful and
- 17:30Speaker 2: clarify where maybe you might not have needed to if
- 17:33Speaker 2: this was a private or a restricted conversation, and you.
- 17:37Speaker 4: Know you have to sort of make those calls as well,
- 17:40Speaker 4: and you might make different calls today than you were
- 17:42Speaker 4: making six months ago about do I go on the
- 17:45Speaker 4: Broken Father's podcast or do I go on this podcast,
- 17:48Speaker 4: or do I talk to these people because it is
- 17:51Speaker 4: going to come under scrutiny. And I take the point that, yes,
- 17:55Speaker 4: you know, you can play the Trump card as it were,
- 17:58Speaker 4: and say, well, you know, it's all fake news, and
- 18:00Speaker 4: people get over it. Into a large part they do,
- 18:02Speaker 4: and that becomes part of the law of someone like
- 18:05Speaker 4: a Pauline Hanson or a Donald Trump. But I think
- 18:08Speaker 4: you've also got to be conscious of not handing too
- 18:10Speaker 4: many free kicks when it's unnecessary to do.
- 18:14Speaker 5: So, you know, within reason, you keep doing.
- 18:16Speaker 4: What you're doing, but if you kind of hand things
- 18:19Speaker 4: up to the hostile media to use, they will keep
- 18:23Speaker 4: using them. Now, maybe that's part of the strategy, but
- 18:27Speaker 4: I think you've got to be careful about that to
- 18:28Speaker 4: some degree in a way that you probably didn't.
- 18:30Speaker 5: Have to a year or two year, or you know,
- 18:33Speaker 5: thirty years ago.
- 18:33Speaker 2: Have you noticed in recent interviews, when Pauline Hanson is
- 18:36Speaker 2: asked a stupid question by journalists. She's done this a
- 18:39Speaker 2: few times. I've observed she doesn't immediately, she pauses, and
- 18:43Speaker 2: she gets this smirk on her face, almost like she's
- 18:47Speaker 2: amused herself, and it's like she's inviting people who are
- 18:50Speaker 2: watching to be amused at the question. And then she answers.
- 18:55Speaker 2: And I've seen enough times now that I'm sure it's
- 18:58Speaker 2: a deliberate thing that she's decided rather hit back at
- 19:01Speaker 2: silly questions from the press, pack just pause, get a
- 19:05Speaker 2: smirk on her face as if to say, you're an idiot,
- 19:08Speaker 2: and then she hits back.
- 19:10Speaker 3: Well, it's out of the.
- 19:11Speaker 1: Trump and Nigel Farage play because they do the exact
- 19:14Speaker 1: same and they are always willing to hit out at
- 19:16Speaker 1: the media. But again, that's what makes them that that
- 19:19Speaker 1: gives them their public profile.
- 19:20Speaker 3: So I totally the other thing.
- 19:22Speaker 2: Quickly, I know you want to move on, but once
- 19:24Speaker 2: this is my other problem with if she starts changing
- 19:26Speaker 2: the way she speaks, Once you start playing the media's game,
- 19:30Speaker 2: then you'll be holding to the media's games. That would
- 19:32Speaker 2: be my other caution for her. If she's going to
- 19:34Speaker 2: change the way she behaves, well, then then now she's
- 19:37Speaker 2: got to keep going with that.
- 19:38Speaker 1: So I don't think she'll change. She hasn't changed in
- 19:41Speaker 1: her entire political life. Why would she start changing now?
- 19:44Speaker 1: And it's working, and it's working more than ever, so
- 19:46Speaker 1: why would you? Why would you change that? Now you've
- 19:49Speaker 1: probably seen you know, in your local area. You might
- 19:51Speaker 1: have a local area Facebook or social media page, but
- 19:54Speaker 1: people might post criminals or criminal activities, so that where
- 19:57Speaker 1: you're aware of an alleged perpetrator, you can keep an
- 20:00Speaker 1: eye out to make sure that you know they're not
- 20:03Speaker 1: in your building, they're not stealing things for example. Well,
- 20:06Speaker 1: police on the Northern Beaches in New South Wales have
- 20:10Speaker 1: asked people to stop posting criminals in the act or
- 20:16Speaker 1: any of their alleged crimes or anti social behavior. They
- 20:20Speaker 1: said that making their actions public only actually encouraged more
- 20:24Speaker 1: children and teens to gravitate towards bad behavior. Now, this
- 20:28Speaker 1: was spoken about at a d y Surf club. Sorry,
- 20:32Speaker 1: this was at a public meeting at the Dysurf Life
- 20:35Speaker 1: Saving Club in the week. New South Wales Police Youth
- 20:38Speaker 1: Command and Crime Prevention Boss Philip Callahan said quote, there
- 20:41Speaker 1: is a lot of evidence starting to come out that
- 20:43Speaker 1: it's gravitating kids towards that behavior. They see something on
- 20:47Speaker 1: social media and oh, that's person's got notoriety, that person's
- 20:51Speaker 1: had a thousand likes, there's five hundred comments in there
- 20:55Speaker 1: saying how bad their behavior is. He said that he
- 20:58Speaker 1: had been contacted by resident worried about such incidents in
- 21:02Speaker 1: these local areas like for example, eat bike riders and
- 21:06Speaker 1: so on and so forth. Now in New South Wales
- 21:09Speaker 1: there are post and boast laws, so young crims if
- 21:13Speaker 1: they go and post their crimes online then they can
- 21:16Speaker 1: be charged. And this was only legislation I think that
- 21:18Speaker 1: came into force in the last twelve to eighteen months
- 21:21Speaker 1: or so.
- 21:23Speaker 3: I don't agree.
- 21:24Speaker 1: With the police assertion on this that people shouldn't be posting.
- 21:27Speaker 1: I find it really really helpful in my local community
- 21:31Speaker 1: when people do post these perpetrators online because I want
- 21:34Speaker 1: to see their faces. I want to see who they are,
- 21:37Speaker 1: and therefore I can keep an eye out. It's like
- 21:39Speaker 1: neighborhood watch, really, I mean, this is the new neighborhood watch.
- 21:42Speaker 1: Once upon a time there was a phone number for
- 21:44Speaker 1: neighborhood watch, but now largely it is done by social media.
- 21:47Speaker 3: So I disagree with that.
- 21:49Speaker 1: I do understand that there are a lot of kids
- 21:51Speaker 1: out there who think, oh, I'm such a hero, I've
- 21:53Speaker 1: done this, everybody is talking about me. But I almost
- 21:57Speaker 1: feel like if you are talking about it, people are
- 21:59Speaker 1: more like to dB people in when they see that
- 22:01Speaker 1: sort of behavior personally.
- 22:04Speaker 3: And I also just.
- 22:05Speaker 1: Wonder why are they trying to It's almost like a
- 22:08Speaker 1: form of censorship in my view, to be honest, Caleb,
- 22:11Speaker 1: but they don't want you to be but they just
- 22:13Speaker 1: want to be like, no, we're going to handle the situation,
- 22:15Speaker 1: not you.
- 22:16Speaker 5: I find it very strange this idea.
- 22:18Speaker 4: And I accept that there are kids who can make
- 22:21Speaker 4: crimes and then post the stuff on social media themselves
- 22:25Speaker 4: because they are trying to build a following, but fundamentally
- 22:28Speaker 4: they're trying to build a following on their profiles so
- 22:31Speaker 4: that people know where to go to see what they
- 22:33Speaker 4: are doing, and they become a character that other nefarious
- 22:37Speaker 4: sort of people.
- 22:37Speaker 5: Are interested in.
- 22:39Speaker 4: But I find it it's like the argument that kid
- 22:43Speaker 4: plays violent social media game, sorry, violent video game, therefore
- 22:48Speaker 4: kid will become violent, as though you know, if a
- 22:50Speaker 4: kid plays too much World of Warcraft, they're going to
- 22:52Speaker 4: start murdering people. I'm not sure that there is a
- 22:56Speaker 4: correlation and causation in this case, because it would be
- 22:59Speaker 4: the same case surely. Now I've been a police reporter.
- 23:03Speaker 4: I as a police reporter at the Advertiser in Adelaide.
- 23:06Speaker 4: So when I was writing about crime that was going
- 23:09Speaker 4: on in Adelaide and then publishing that in the newspaper,
- 23:12Speaker 4: was I creating more crime? Because I was making people
- 23:15Speaker 4: aware of the crime that was going on in Adelaide,
- 23:18Speaker 4: which was my job.
- 23:19Speaker 5: Now, my readers wanted to know what.
- 23:20Speaker 4: Was going on because they want to know what's going
- 23:22Speaker 4: on in their community around them. But now we're being
- 23:24Speaker 4: told by the police that if you give crime a
- 23:27Speaker 4: platform by telling people what is going on and showing
- 23:30Speaker 4: videos or what's going on in the community, that you
- 23:33Speaker 4: are encouraging more crime. So what we all just meant
- 23:36Speaker 4: to pretend that there isn't crime going on and not
- 23:40Speaker 4: see the reality of what's happening in the world. I
- 23:43Speaker 4: accept it may be embarrassing for governments and police forces
- 23:47Speaker 4: at some points in time to have crime shown because
- 23:51Speaker 4: they go, oh, you know gee, it makes us look
- 23:53Speaker 4: bad because perhaps we're not on top of it.
- 23:55Speaker 5: But it's the reality of what's going on.
- 23:59Speaker 4: If you're a kid when you're watching you know, Mavers
- 24:02Speaker 4: post in your local Facebook group about a crime that
- 24:05Speaker 4: was committed in the local community, and that's what's making
- 24:08Speaker 4: you go, ah, well, I'm going to go and commit
- 24:10Speaker 4: crime now. I suspect we've got bigger problems to deal
- 24:13Speaker 4: with than Mayvers posting on Facebook.
- 24:15Speaker 2: What if MAVs posts baking cakes, then all the young
- 24:18Speaker 2: people start baking making cake maybe to work there way,
- 24:21Speaker 2: I have a great I think there's a couple of
- 24:23Speaker 2: things that could be true. At the same time. Surely
- 24:25Speaker 2: let's take the police officer at face value that there
- 24:28Speaker 2: are some young people who want notoriety. They've been raised
- 24:32Speaker 2: in a culture where, you know, to get someone to
- 24:34Speaker 2: like whatever you've done on social media that gives you
- 24:38Speaker 2: value and affirms your sense of worth and identity. Okay,
- 24:41Speaker 2: let's give him that. But at the same time, crime
- 24:44Speaker 2: prevention and transparency should not be mutually exclusive. And I
- 24:48Speaker 2: think we're a little cynical because it was the e
- 24:51Speaker 2: Safety Commissioner who wanted violent acts of terrorism i e.
- 24:55Speaker 2: A church minister being stabbed in the eye some time
- 24:59Speaker 2: ago one to that taken down because it might encourage
- 25:02Speaker 2: other acts of terrorism. And a lot of us thought
- 25:05Speaker 2: is that the problem, or do you just not want
- 25:08Speaker 2: that discussion about extremism and certain religions to be had
- 25:14Speaker 2: and you're just trying to brush it under the carpet.
- 25:16Speaker 2: And this is something we've seen right around the world
- 25:18Speaker 2: with terror acts. It's got echoes of that. Doesn't it
- 25:22Speaker 2: this idea that police would rather you not post videos
- 25:25Speaker 2: of crimes being committed in your area because if the
- 25:29Speaker 2: videos aren't posted, then you're not aware that there's crimes
- 25:31Speaker 2: being committed in your area.
- 25:33Speaker 3: Would you rather know?
- 25:35Speaker 2: You would rather know, but police would rather you not
- 25:37Speaker 2: know because then it looks like there's no crime issue
- 25:40Speaker 2: in your area.
- 25:41Speaker 1: But also, if you're so worried that these kids are
- 25:44Speaker 1: going to gain some notoriety out of this, then well
- 25:50Speaker 1: when you catch them, lock them up.
- 25:53Speaker 3: Isn't that the problem that we discuss a lot. I mean,
- 25:56Speaker 3: isn't that the core of this then?
- 25:58Speaker 1: I mean, if you've got these delinquents out there committing
- 26:01Speaker 1: these crimes thinking they're absolute heroes, so then they're repeat offenders,
- 26:06Speaker 1: well lock them up.
- 26:08Speaker 2: It's not lacks bail laws, it's social media.
- 26:10Speaker 1: No, I'm sayg yeah, exactly, it's always social media, right,
- 26:13Speaker 1: never mind the justice system never mind the bail laws. No, no,
- 26:17Speaker 1: it's all social media. It's always easy to blame someone else.
- 26:20Speaker 4: Well, even Kitty Crimson adhere to the rule that if
- 26:22Speaker 4: it wasn't posted on social media, it didn't really happen.
- 26:26Speaker 4: It would seem something that is going to happen. I
- 26:28Speaker 4: think is really sad here in Sydney where we are
- 26:31Speaker 4: broadcasting from Wentworth Park, which is the greyhound track in Sydney,
- 26:36Speaker 4: going to be demolished this year.
- 26:38Speaker 5: Now we knew this was coming.
- 26:40Speaker 4: The new South Wales state government had announced that they
- 26:43Speaker 4: wanted to take Wentworth Park back and knock the place
- 26:47Speaker 4: over so they could build a park, so we could
- 26:49Speaker 4: put up more houses around it to deal with infinity
- 26:51Speaker 4: migration that Anthony Albanezi tells us we need. But they've
- 26:56Speaker 4: now struck a deal whereby Wentworth Park, which.
- 26:59Speaker 5: Is right next to the CBD.
- 27:01Speaker 4: It's in Piermont in Sydney, so right next to the city,
- 27:05Speaker 4: prime location after nearly one hundred years, will be knocked
- 27:09Speaker 4: over after October, which will be the last time a
- 27:12Speaker 4: dog race will run there. Now, the justification for all
- 27:17Speaker 4: of this, and look personally, I think the real reason
- 27:20Speaker 4: behind all of this is that the government would quite
- 27:23Speaker 4: like to get rid of a dog track in the city,
- 27:25Speaker 4: because once you get rid of dog racing in the city,
- 27:27Speaker 4: then it sort of becomes out of sight, out of mind,
- 27:30Speaker 4: and then people might forget about it, and then one
- 27:32Speaker 4: day when you want to try and ban it, people go, oh,
- 27:34Speaker 4: I didn't know dog.
- 27:35Speaker 5: Racing was still going on. I haven't seen anything going
- 27:37Speaker 5: on for ages.
- 27:38Speaker 4: I think there might be other stuff behind this, But
- 27:41Speaker 4: the justification they are using is that there's a whole
- 27:44Speaker 4: bunch of new houses houses because they're not going to
- 27:47Speaker 4: put up any houses, no room for houses, apartments, dog
- 27:49Speaker 4: boxes that they're going to put up around the location
- 27:52Speaker 4: where Wentworth Park is in Pimont, right next to the city.
- 27:56Speaker 4: Thirty four hundred new homes they reckon they're going to
- 27:59Speaker 4: build in the nearby area, including on the old fish
- 28:03Speaker 4: markets in Sydney. Then just over the road at Gleebe
- 28:06Speaker 4: Island they want to put up eight thousand and five
- 28:09Speaker 4: hundred apartments, which is another thing that gets my goat
- 28:13Speaker 4: because you're taking a productive asset, which is the last
- 28:16Speaker 4: working port in Sydney, Sydney Harbor, I should say, Gleebe Island,
- 28:20Speaker 4: and then turning it into houses to deal with the
- 28:23Speaker 4: infinity migration. Why is it that we have to give
- 28:27Speaker 4: up on things that are useful and are used within Sydney,
- 28:32Speaker 4: be it the gleebe Island Port, Working Port, or Wentworth
- 28:38Speaker 4: Park with a race dogs twice a week and I
- 28:41Speaker 4: have been there many times. We've got to get rid
- 28:43Speaker 4: of these things. I mean they tried to do it
- 28:44Speaker 4: to rose Hill Racecourse of course, and they failed in
- 28:47Speaker 4: that endeavor, thank god. But we've got to get rid
- 28:50Speaker 4: of all these things that we have because the federal
- 28:53Speaker 4: government has imported lots of people. So now we're going
- 28:55Speaker 4: to build dog box apartments in the inner city because
- 28:58Speaker 4: that's all we can. You know, people live somewhere, so
- 29:00Speaker 4: that's where we're going to put them. And then we're
- 29:02Speaker 4: going to demolish other things around it that are being
- 29:05Speaker 4: used and are quite nice so that we can, I
- 29:07Speaker 4: don't know, put up another park for these people to
- 29:09Speaker 4: go to or something. There are two parks on either
- 29:11Speaker 4: side of Wentworth Park in Sydney as it is.
- 29:15Speaker 5: What's wrong with them? Go and walk your dog there.
- 29:18Speaker 4: Why is it that we have to give up the
- 29:20Speaker 4: dog track because Elbow wants to shoehorn more people into Sydney.
- 29:24Speaker 3: Well, hang on a second.
- 29:25Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you that migration is a large
- 29:28Speaker 1: problem and it has had a massive contribution to the
- 29:31Speaker 1: housing crisis. But we can't also get every day Ossie's
- 29:34Speaker 1: into houses right now. And if you do want a
- 29:36Speaker 1: house in the city, you have to go out in
- 29:39Speaker 1: whoopwoop to find a property that you can afford right now.
- 29:42Speaker 1: So why wouldn't we if you've got prime land sitting there,
- 29:45Speaker 1: use it and build some houses and try and get
- 29:47Speaker 1: more and more people into properties.
- 29:48Speaker 3: Because we have a supply crisis.
- 29:50Speaker 1: You've got Anthony Abenezy trying to tax his way out
- 29:52Speaker 1: of supply.
- 29:53Speaker 3: You can't do that. Supply is the key issue.
- 29:55Speaker 1: Second point I would make and correct me if I'm
- 29:57Speaker 1: wrong here. But the New South Wales Greyhound b Readers
- 30:00Speaker 1: Owner Owners and Trainers Association, they've already requested our early
- 30:04Speaker 1: termination over this lease, right so they're ready to get
- 30:07Speaker 1: rid of this lease.
- 30:08Speaker 4: So no, no, no, hang on, hang on, hang on, hanging
- 30:10Speaker 4: handing you're suggesting that's because they don't like went with Park.
- 30:13Speaker 5: No, I don't not necessarily.
- 30:14Speaker 1: True that they talk about the accusations that that's.
- 30:17Speaker 4: Because because it was coming anyway, right, I mean the
- 30:20Speaker 4: governor already said that this was going to stop.
- 30:22Speaker 5: Dog race was going to stop and went Worth Park. Right.
- 30:24Speaker 5: What they have now negotiated is that it will happen earlier.
- 30:27Speaker 4: Now, that may be if the situation is that it
- 30:30Speaker 4: is going to go. Getting out of there earlier then
- 30:33Speaker 4: gives them more time to go and find somewhere else
- 30:35Speaker 4: to sit up a base.
- 30:36Speaker 5: Somewhere else, Well, go find Why don't you go to
- 30:39Speaker 5: find somewhere else to live?
- 30:40Speaker 3: Why do you need what's the point of keeping that there?
- 30:43Speaker 3: Just what as a sentimental as a little bit of
- 30:45Speaker 3: a sentimental.
- 30:46Speaker 5: It's being used, but it's not going to be.
- 30:48Speaker 3: Used from from that from that time because other parks in.
- 30:51Speaker 4: The area, because the state government is deemed that it
- 30:53Speaker 4: will be so.
- 30:54Speaker 2: So I ask a question, who owns Wentworth Park?
- 30:56Speaker 5: I believe it's owned by the state government.
- 30:59Speaker 2: Right, so the Gray Association are renting the facility.
- 31:02Speaker 5: They've had the grace.
- 31:03Speaker 2: So if I own a house, do I not have
- 31:05Speaker 2: the right to say, you know what, I want to
- 31:07Speaker 2: do something different with my property now? So the renter
- 31:09Speaker 2: will have to leave at the end of the least.
- 31:12Speaker 4: Well, you might have the right to do it, but
- 31:13Speaker 4: it doesn't mean that I don't have the right tools
- 31:15Speaker 4: to disagree with you doing so.
- 31:18Speaker 2: It is because you like greyhound racing, not because there's
- 31:21Speaker 2: anything morally wrong happening here.
- 31:24Speaker 4: Well, I think it's also a distraction of history. I
- 31:26Speaker 4: think it's fundamentally bad for the sport and that is
- 31:31Speaker 4: a piece of important sporting infrastructure in a prime spot
- 31:35Speaker 4: in the Sydney CBD.
- 31:37Speaker 5: Because the state government doesn't want it used anymore. That's
- 31:41Speaker 5: why it's about to not be you.
- 31:42Speaker 1: I'm saying your argument, Caleb, you just want this piece
- 31:44Speaker 1: of prime infrastructure just sitting there. What just so people
- 31:47Speaker 1: can just look at and go, oh, that was where
- 31:48Speaker 1: the righthound so it can.
- 31:49Speaker 5: Continue to be you.
- 31:50Speaker 2: Crowds at greyhound racing are not exactly exploding. Okay, so
- 31:55Speaker 2: grandstand is not typically full for a.
- 31:57Speaker 5: When you have a big race there, the grandstand will
- 31:59Speaker 5: be full.
- 32:00Speaker 2: How often would the Greyhound grandstand be full two or
- 32:05Speaker 2: three times a year?
- 32:06Speaker 5: Probably?
- 32:07Speaker 4: There?
- 32:07Speaker 3: You got that that's not value for money, Caleb.
- 32:09Speaker 5: Ok you don't think it's value for money.
- 32:11Speaker 4: You go and tell the people who work in greyhound
- 32:13Speaker 4: racing that they don't generate economic benefit for this state.
- 32:16Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they don't. The point is is
- 32:18Speaker 1: that clearly it is not being used to its full capacity.
- 32:22Speaker 1: So if greyhound breeders say, if the greyhound breeders are saying,
- 32:27Speaker 1: you know what, we want to terminate this lease early.
- 32:29Speaker 3: We want to get out of.
- 32:29Speaker 1: There, what is the point of it just sitting there idle?
- 32:33Speaker 1: And even even when it comes to the fish market
- 32:36Speaker 1: the port. You mentioned the port as well, Cleb, why
- 32:39Speaker 1: wouldn't you.
- 32:40Speaker 3: Want to develop it? Put apartments there?
- 32:42Speaker 5: There's a working port.
- 32:44Speaker 1: But Caleb, I just think that we have a housing
- 32:47Speaker 1: crisis of this kintry.
- 32:48Speaker 3: We need more supply.
- 32:50Speaker 4: So what we should do, because we have infinity migration
- 32:53Speaker 4: is just build dog boxes on top of everything everywhere.
- 32:56Speaker 3: But unfortunately Sydney is apartment living.
- 32:59Speaker 2: Just develop our it is Do we develop the botanic
- 33:01Speaker 2: gardens for housing?
- 33:02Speaker 3: No, because the botanic gardens are used all the time.
- 33:05Speaker 5: So's Wentworth Park, so's Gleebe Island.
- 33:09Speaker 4: You just prefer that you like the way that the
- 33:11Speaker 4: botannic park is used.
- 33:12Speaker 5: You don't like the way you.
- 33:15Speaker 2: Have summarized my position. I don't care about dog racing,
- 33:18Speaker 2: so I'm not that passionate about keeping Wentworth. So that's true.
- 33:21Speaker 3: All right, let's be let we just never to agree
- 33:24Speaker 3: on this one. We've always we're never going to agree
- 33:26Speaker 3: on this one anyway.
- 33:27Speaker 4: Janiga just wants to pay paradise, put up a parking lot.
- 33:30Speaker 1: I just want to watch greyhound racing, don't you. Okay,
- 33:32Speaker 1: let's move on now. Now you might remember the story
- 33:36Speaker 1: brought you a couple of months ago. The lakember Mosque
- 33:38Speaker 1: here in Sydney that had applied to put the Islamic
- 33:42Speaker 1: Call to Prayer wanted to build more loud speakers on
- 33:46Speaker 1: its mironette to broadcast that the Islamic Call to prayer.
- 33:53Speaker 1: Now it has gone to the local council to try
- 33:55Speaker 1: and get approval. So more than sixteen hundred people of
- 33:58Speaker 1: lodge submissions objecting the plan. The Lebanese Muslim Association has
- 34:03Speaker 1: said its petition has already attracted five thousand signatures in support.
- 34:08Speaker 1: Now there was a local councilor from Canterbury Bankstown. Her
- 34:12Speaker 1: name is Barbara Curry. She has put forward a motion
- 34:14Speaker 1: to block the plan. She has said, while places of
- 34:17Speaker 1: worship play an important role in supporting the spiritual and
- 34:20Speaker 1: cultural needs and life of our community. Their location within
- 34:24Speaker 1: employment and residential areas requires careful management of potential amenity impacts,
- 34:29Speaker 1: particularly in relation to noise. Well, she was met with
- 34:33Speaker 1: this rebuke from gamel Kia from the Lebanese Muslim Association.
- 34:38Speaker 1: He said she has an obligation, with all due respect,
- 34:43Speaker 1: to keep her mouth shut until the umpire's decision is made.
- 34:49Speaker 5: Wow.
- 34:50Speaker 1: Well, firstly, when I read that, I thought, here we
- 34:52Speaker 1: have a Muslim man telling a white woman to keep
- 34:55Speaker 1: her mouth shut and g silly me. I thought that
- 34:58Speaker 1: diversity was supposed to be our strength. Now you cannot
- 35:01Speaker 1: deny that there would be people who would object to
- 35:03Speaker 1: this plan, and that is why there's about sixteen hundred
- 35:05Speaker 1: people who have lodged submissions saying no, okay, this is
- 35:09Speaker 1: not about the noises such. It's about taking over a
- 35:12Speaker 1: public space to profess Islamic teaching. This is a this
- 35:16Speaker 1: is our territory and that is what bothers me the
- 35:19Speaker 1: most here. I mean, we wouldn't go into the middle
- 35:21Speaker 1: of Gaza James and say, oh, can you play the
- 35:23Speaker 1: church bells?
- 35:24Speaker 3: How would that go down? Oh?
- 35:25Speaker 5: Could a little bit of fun?
- 35:26Speaker 2: Probably wouldn't go down that well, So help me understand
- 35:29Speaker 2: this you've got the Lebanese Muslim Association telling the female
- 35:33Speaker 2: counselor she's making too much noise.
- 35:35Speaker 1: Yes, yeh irony, the irony, and to keep her mouth shut.
- 35:40Speaker 2: Yeah, I've just said all that.
- 35:42Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure where to go after that.
- 35:44Speaker 5: I mean, for goodness sake, I keep you as a counselor.
- 35:48Speaker 4: Your job is to voice community concerns. And then in
- 35:53Speaker 4: the process of voicing community concerns, you're being told to
- 35:57Speaker 4: keep your mouth shut because someone else is making a decision.
- 36:00Speaker 5: Last I checked.
- 36:01Speaker 4: You know, making comments in the media or publicly does
- 36:05Speaker 4: not influence the decision makers in making a fair decision
- 36:08Speaker 4: in terms of development. And to run that line, I
- 36:11Speaker 4: think is absolutely ridiculous. Hey, very quickly before we get
- 36:14Speaker 4: to a break. You know, I don't like AI if
- 36:16Speaker 4: you're a regular viewer.
- 36:17Speaker 5: And here's another reason not to trust AI.
- 36:20Speaker 4: Open AI, which runs chat GPT, was recently running some
- 36:24Speaker 4: tests on a new system of THEIRS, and in doing so,
- 36:26Speaker 4: it hacked into another businesses systems, completely independent of anything
- 36:32Speaker 4: they were doing. Now they're trying to sell out this
- 36:34Speaker 4: thing to be autonomous, and while they were testing it,
- 36:37Speaker 4: it just went off and hacked into another business and
- 36:40Speaker 4: you think this AI stuff is going to be the
- 36:43Speaker 4: way that we fix the world. I mean, look, it's
- 36:46Speaker 4: hacking into systems one day.
- 36:48Speaker 5: Next day you're going to.
- 36:49Speaker 4: Get more stuff like this, you know, attacking in the
- 37:21Speaker 4: main frames.
- 37:22Speaker 5: It's going after Granny's, it's beating up kids. Is going
- 37:26Speaker 5: really well.
- 37:27Speaker 1: You know that vision never gets sold what he's been
- 37:29Speaker 1: taken away by the police and the boloms.
- 37:31Speaker 5: So sad.
- 37:32Speaker 3: Oh god, it cracks me up every time. All right,
- 37:34Speaker 3: we're gonna take a quick break.
- 37:35Speaker 1: Coming up, we'll take a look at tomorrow's papers, including
- 37:38Speaker 1: South Australian Health officials under investigation apparently accessing the confidential
- 37:43Speaker 1: health records of AFL star Tony Madras he recovered from
- 37:47Speaker 1: life threatening injuries.
- 37:48Speaker 3: That's next. Welcome back to the show.
- 37:56Speaker 1: Let's take a look at tomorrow's front pages. James, it's
- 37:59Speaker 1: not good if you own a car.
- 38:01Speaker 2: It's not good unless you've got an ev deneaker.
- 38:03Speaker 3: Oh of course, Chris Bowen, I love that.
- 38:05Speaker 2: Front page of tomorrow's courier mail. The headline reads petrol
- 38:08Speaker 2: on the rates fire. Homeowners are almost certainly facing a
- 38:12Speaker 2: fourth interest rate hike this year thanks to soaring petrol prices.
- 38:16Speaker 2: The chance of a rate rise by the end of
- 38:18Speaker 2: the year is dramatically escalated to ninety five percent after
- 38:22Speaker 2: being just forty six percent last month. IG Markets senior
- 38:26Speaker 2: analyst Tony sircam or seconds was due to the sycamore
- 38:31Speaker 2: said this was due to the rising price of oil
- 38:33Speaker 2: and strong employment figures released by the ABS yesterday. So
- 38:37Speaker 2: we know what will happen. Jim Chalmers will of course
- 38:39Speaker 2: blame things happening Ian and life will carry on with
- 38:44Speaker 2: all of us paying through the nose at the bowser.
- 38:46Speaker 1: It's all the global it's all the global impacts. And
- 38:48Speaker 1: you know Australia's caught in the cross with the crosshairs.
- 38:50Speaker 1: There you go, That's exactly what he's going to say.
- 38:52Speaker 4: What was it that happened underneath the sycamore tree?
- 38:55Speaker 5: In dream A little dream of me?
- 38:58Speaker 4: You know, you know, you know the Songmaks dreamer, little
- 39:02Speaker 4: dream of Me.
- 39:04Speaker 5: Anyway, it's a bit in there, but the sycamore.
- 39:05Speaker 1: Birds singing in the sycamore bird singing.
- 39:07Speaker 5: In the sycamore tree.
- 39:08Speaker 4: There. You know, I thought you'd be across the sycamore James,
- 39:10Speaker 4: you being a great lover of music.
- 39:13Speaker 2: Indeed, it seems like I'm not Kayla.
- 39:15Speaker 3: The question is do you know? Do you know the
- 39:17Speaker 3: mummers and the papers?
- 39:18Speaker 2: No? Oh my god, okay, sorry, does Billy joelsing that?
- 39:23Speaker 1: Oh god, look forget it. It just gets worse every night,
- 39:26Speaker 1: doesn't it. It's embarrassing. I'm sure you're embarrassed at home.
- 39:29Speaker 1: Let's take a look now at the Australian ALPS world
- 39:32Speaker 1: away from Bondi. Look at Albo with his arms flapping
- 39:35Speaker 1: about their Labour's division over Israel, the bird flu.
- 39:38Speaker 3: Labor under the sycamore tree.
- 39:40Speaker 1: Labour's division over Israel is threatening to overshadow its fiftieth
- 39:44Speaker 1: national conference just months after the Bondi terror attack, with
- 39:47Speaker 1: a push to restore demands on Hummas disarming in the
- 39:52Speaker 1: party's policy platform, competing with calls for stronger criticisms of
- 39:56Speaker 1: the Jewish state. The closed door debate on Israel comes
- 39:59Speaker 1: as the sur one nation loomed large. On the first
- 40:02Speaker 1: day of the national conference in adelaide As Labor and
- 40:04Speaker 1: PS branch members and delegates backed higher taxes on fossil
- 40:07Speaker 1: fuels and an expansion of government owned renewaballs projects. Well,
- 40:13Speaker 1: here we go again with Labour's division when it comes
- 40:16Speaker 1: to Israel. And let's not forget that Anthony Albanezi was
- 40:19Speaker 1: once a pro Palestine activist back in his youth, so
- 40:24Speaker 1: we know where his allegiances lie when it comes to.
- 40:26Speaker 4: This indeed, and yet he is well aware of what
- 40:30Speaker 4: all of this carry on does to the party.
- 40:33Speaker 5: And this is sort of you know, one of the
- 40:34Speaker 5: great things.
- 40:35Speaker 4: About the ALP is that publicly they generally present a
- 40:39Speaker 4: united front whatever they're doing. You know that the faction
- 40:43Speaker 4: sort of understand that at the end of the day,
- 40:45Speaker 4: solidarity forever, and that's what holds them together.
- 40:48Speaker 5: But when they go off to national conference and state conference.
- 40:51Speaker 4: And they have these fights, we see what the Labor
- 40:54Speaker 4: Party actually is and what they look like. And so
- 40:57Speaker 4: you've got parts of the Labor Party saying, oh, well,
- 40:59Speaker 4: we should put the wording back in there to disarm Hamas,
- 41:02Speaker 4: and then you've got others saying, no, we can't.
- 41:04Speaker 5: We've got a little of water it all down. This
- 41:06Speaker 5: is the real ALP.
- 41:08Speaker 2: The interesting thing about this as well as at the conference,
- 41:11Speaker 2: there were pro pelstin and protesters outside the venue hurling
- 41:15Speaker 2: all sorts of abuse at Penny Wong and others. You
- 41:19Speaker 2: would think they'd be appreciative of this Labor government who
- 41:22Speaker 2: are clearly pro Palestine and quite antagonistic towards Israel. And
- 41:28Speaker 2: yet they don't get any credit from Propelstinian supporters.
- 41:31Speaker 3: No, they never do.
- 41:33Speaker 4: On the front of the Daily Telegraph tomorrow, it says
- 41:36Speaker 4: ISIS brides made it back to Australia now Hanson asked
- 41:39Speaker 4: Coalition to join forces and stop fighters returning to Pauline
- 41:43Speaker 4: pops the question day A bit of a saucy story
- 41:47Speaker 4: in front of the Daily Telegraph tomorrow, exclusive by Matthew Binns,
- 41:51Speaker 4: it says Pauline Hanson has challenged the Coalition to join
- 41:55Speaker 4: forces with one nation to slam the door on ISIS
- 41:58Speaker 4: linked fighters returning home, offering Angus Taylor the numbers in
- 42:01Speaker 4: Parliament to pass sweeping new counter terrorism laws.
- 42:05Speaker 5: In a letter delivered to mister.
- 42:07Speaker 4: Taylor this morning, as Hanson spelled out her concerns that
- 42:10Speaker 4: thirteen men linked to Islamic Stage and held in Iraq
- 42:13Speaker 4: could follow ISIS brand's in returning to Australia. The letter said,
- 42:17Speaker 4: this Labor government is doing everything it can to enable
- 42:20Speaker 4: these people to return, while telling the Australian people it
- 42:23Speaker 4: is powerless to stop them.
- 42:27Speaker 5: Now, this is good.
- 42:28Speaker 4: The only thing I'm not quite clear on though, is
- 42:31Speaker 4: that she's told the Coalition she'll give them the numbers
- 42:34Speaker 4: to pass it. They don't have the numbers in the
- 42:37Speaker 4: lower House, so maybe they would have the numbers in
- 42:39Speaker 4: the Senate to get something up. But you're not going
- 42:43Speaker 4: to get something through the lower House without the support
- 42:45Speaker 4: of the government, right, No, you're quite correct, Dawn.
- 43:00Speaker 3: So you were going to make more of a point.
- 43:01Speaker 4: So well, I'm just saying that it's not going to
- 43:04Speaker 4: pass anywhay. So you know, she can runt the letter
- 43:07Speaker 4: to Angus Taylor and say, well, we'll give you the
- 43:09Speaker 4: numbers to pass it. Unless it's got the support of
- 43:11Speaker 4: the government, it's not going to pass in the lower House.
- 43:13Speaker 4: But I guess the broader point is, you know, how
- 43:16Speaker 4: much does the Coalition want to engage with one nation?
- 43:20Speaker 4: Because you know, Paul Enhans is clearly extending the Twigger Friendship's.
- 43:26Speaker 2: Pretty hard to say no to this proposal, would it not?
- 43:29Speaker 4: Well, you look stupid, I think if you don't take
- 43:31Speaker 4: it up, don't you, because at least then you've had
- 43:33Speaker 4: to go at trying to get something through the Senate.
- 43:34Speaker 5: Then it goes off to the Lower House and it loses.
- 43:36Speaker 2: And you expose the government's ineptitude on national security. Let's
- 43:41Speaker 2: go to the front page of tomorrow's Herald's son Vick's
- 43:44Speaker 2: dyre demo job reads the headline unemployment in Victoria has
- 43:47Speaker 2: risen to the highest in Australia, with the gap between
- 43:50Speaker 2: our state and the national average the worst in sixteen years,
- 43:54Speaker 2: prompting business sheep business chiefs to warn the Allen government's
- 43:59Speaker 2: work from home and anti worker policies were quote unquote
- 44:03Speaker 2: coming home to roost? Is anyone really surprised?
- 44:07Speaker 3: Who would have thought? Who would have thought when you
- 44:10Speaker 3: mandate government did not think? Well?
- 44:12Speaker 1: No, well, who would have thought that if you mandate
- 44:14Speaker 1: that it's going to have the exact opposite effect. Unbelievable.
- 44:18Speaker 1: Let's take a look at the advertiser. This is a
- 44:20Speaker 1: shocking story. Exclusive Health staff probed over Modra file access
- 44:25Speaker 1: snoop docs.
- 44:26Speaker 3: Spy on mods. Yeah, great headline essay.
- 44:28Speaker 1: Health is investigating eight staff accused of accessing Crow's legend
- 44:33Speaker 1: Tony Modra's medical records as he recovered from life threatening
- 44:36Speaker 1: injuries in Flinda's medical center.
- 44:39Speaker 3: It was only a few days ago that we found
- 44:40Speaker 3: that the.
- 44:40Speaker 1: MODRA has made a recovery is put out a statement,
- 44:44Speaker 1: but this is absolutely appalling. I think you know that
- 44:48Speaker 1: they're confidential for a reason.
- 44:51Speaker 2: It's interesting to me about that. And we don't have
- 44:53Speaker 2: the rest of the article. But they're investigating not a
- 44:56Speaker 2: staff member, but eight staff Are they working in together
- 45:00Speaker 2: or is it just eight people who were very curious?
- 45:02Speaker 4: And what the hell are you doing looking up someone's
- 45:04Speaker 4: medical records when you shouldn't be anyway, that's.
- 45:08Speaker 5: Really low stuff I have to say. And you know
- 45:10Speaker 5: what else is in the Advertiser tomorrow? My column? Make
- 45:13Speaker 5: it and read it every Friday. Every Friday. Pick up
- 45:16Speaker 5: a copy of the Taser from the best column in
- 45:18Speaker 5: the country.
- 45:19Speaker 4: Now I know self praise is no recommendation on the
- 45:22Speaker 4: front of the cans Post tomorrow.
- 45:24Speaker 5: Use the curtains new claiming wedding dress for all case.
- 45:27Speaker 5: This is an extraordinary story.
- 45:29Speaker 4: This is a woman allegedly chopped up her own bridle
- 45:32Speaker 4: shops curtains to make a bodgy wedding gown for a client.
- 45:36Speaker 4: A court has heard the allegations against Allison Davies, owner
- 45:39Speaker 4: of Cairn's Bridle and Formal Wear shop, Genovia Bridle and
- 45:44Speaker 4: co accused employee Dominique Marianne Rowland were detailing court on Thursday.
- 45:49Speaker 4: The pair allegedly left in their wake seventy five complainants,
- 45:52Speaker 4: including sixty two brides, one debutante and twelve family members
- 45:56Speaker 4: who helped pay for dresses. Roll In fifty three plated
- 45:59Speaker 4: guilt in the Cans Magistrate Court to dishonestly causing a
- 46:03Speaker 4: detriment of one hundred and twenty one, four hundred and
- 46:06Speaker 4: eighty two dollars and fifty six cents to different persons
- 46:09Speaker 4: and dishonestly applying to her own use a wedding dress
- 46:13Speaker 4: belonging to a woman to Tom Feeney said, on one occasion,
- 46:17Speaker 4: Roland was involved in a texting change where a decision
- 46:20Speaker 4: was made to use a stores curtains as material for
- 46:23Speaker 4: a dress, which was then provided to the bride four
- 46:26Speaker 4: days before her wedding home.
- 46:28Speaker 2: My know how they found out about this, Well, the
- 46:30Speaker 2: bride was throwing shade.
- 46:32Speaker 1: Ah, you're full of the puns tonight, full of the puns,
- 46:36Speaker 1: and they're not. We're going to take a quick break
- 46:38Speaker 1: coming up. Do you like ants in your food? Well,
- 46:40Speaker 1: apparently a Aussie chef in South Threa does and now
- 46:44Speaker 1: he's facing jail time.
- 46:45Speaker 3: That's next. Welcome back.
- 46:49Speaker 1: Well, the Prime Minister almost took a bit of a
- 46:51Speaker 1: tumble today when an escalator he was on abruptly stopped
- 46:55Speaker 1: and pull he was stopped in his tracks. Who I
- 47:10Speaker 1: like how he quickly looked at it.
- 47:11Speaker 3: Did anybody see that?
- 47:12Speaker 1: Because it reminded us actually at this moment, remember this
- 47:15Speaker 1: trip that he had whip sees at the back of
- 47:17Speaker 1: the stage. And then he told us no, actually I
- 47:19Speaker 1: didn't fall off the stage, even though he had to
- 47:21Speaker 1: be helped up, because he did fall on the stage.
- 47:24Speaker 1: And you know what else, it reminds me of this character.
- 47:27Speaker 1: Let's bring him up. Well, there he goes. Remember Joe
- 47:29Speaker 1: Biden and the tripping montage. Gee, it never gets so old,
- 47:32Speaker 1: does it.
- 47:33Speaker 4: You know, the Prime Minister is very lucky. He could
- 47:36Speaker 4: have come a cropper there, and I imagine that he
- 47:38Speaker 4: could have gone tumbling down the escalator and then we
- 47:41Speaker 4: would have had to look for someone.
- 47:42Speaker 5: Else to do the job.
- 47:43Speaker 2: He was confused because he was trying to work out
- 47:45Speaker 2: is it the escalator or the economy?
- 47:48Speaker 3: You're on fire?
- 47:49Speaker 2: James mcphirst his seat, Danika.
- 47:53Speaker 5: But the answer it to the seat. No.
- 47:55Speaker 4: No, I'm glad he didn't come a cropper, because he
- 47:57Speaker 4: could have been a hell of a lot was. I
- 47:58Speaker 4: tell you what, someone who has had things come acropper.
- 48:01Speaker 4: An AUSI chef who's over in South Korea, Joseph Lidgerwood,
- 48:06Speaker 4: who is from Tazzy. He's been working at a Michelin
- 48:09Speaker 4: starred restaurant in South Korea, but he is in a real.
- 48:13Speaker 5: Spot of bother. The coppers want to put him away
- 48:15Speaker 5: for a year because he.
- 48:17Speaker 4: Was serving a dessert, a sorbet dessert that was topped
- 48:21Speaker 4: with ants, and he said this brings a certain acidity
- 48:24Speaker 4: to the dish. And you know, Diana's could opt out
- 48:27Speaker 4: of the ants if they wanted to. But apparently the
- 48:29Speaker 4: problem is that there are only ten insects that approved
- 48:32Speaker 4: for consumption in South Korea and ants are not one
- 48:35Speaker 4: of them. So they now want him locked up for
- 48:38Speaker 4: a year for serving ants in the dessert.
- 48:41Speaker 5: I think that's utterly ridiculous.
- 48:43Speaker 4: I mean, we've got aunt jin and all sorts of
- 48:45Speaker 4: things here over there, You get locked up for a
- 48:47Speaker 4: year for serving ants?
- 48:49Speaker 5: Crazy?
- 48:50Speaker 3: Would you try an ant?
- 48:51Speaker 5: Absolutely? Yeah, no problem.
- 48:55Speaker 1: I'm not eating ants, I'd give it a go.
- 48:58Speaker 2: All right. I know a lot of you are wondering
- 49:00Speaker 2: is there a God? And his proof that there is
- 49:04Speaker 2: a couple a couple of people. She's driving past Nigel Farag,
- 49:12Speaker 2: who's conducting it looks like a press conference on the
- 49:14Speaker 2: side of the road, calls him a wanker and drives
- 49:16Speaker 2: straight into the back of the car in front of her.
- 49:18Speaker 2: Like I said, there is.
- 49:20Speaker 1: A God, there is a god. Instant karma is going
- 49:22Speaker 1: to get you. In the wise words of John Lennon.
- 49:25Speaker 5: Do you think she's learned her listen though, No, she'll
- 49:28Speaker 5: be blame.
- 49:31Speaker 3: She always blame somebody else. Enough.
- 49:32Speaker 4: When she fills out the form for the insurance company
- 49:35Speaker 4: and they say you know who was the party had fault,
- 49:37Speaker 4: she will write Nigel Farage.
- 49:39Speaker 5: You know that that's just bastard. He caused me to
- 49:41Speaker 5: cratch Mike car.
- 49:43Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 49:43Speaker 1: The left always looking for somebody else to blame but themselves.
- 49:46Speaker 1: They are always the most hypocritical of them all. All right,
- 49:49Speaker 1: thank you for your company. This evening, that's all we've
- 49:50Speaker 1: got time for. Stay tuned, it's time for the Rita
- 49:53Speaker 1: Panahy Show.
- 49:53Speaker 3: Good Night,