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- 0:00Welcome to Unspoken Career Truths.
- 0:02I'm Lauren Levette Gilbert. And I'm Cara Wood.
- 0:05And we're here to be the coworkers you can trust.
- 0:09So last week we talked about toxic leadership, and today
- 0:13we're kicking off an entire month about a different kind of
- 0:16toxic. Is this the kind that is maybe
- 0:20got some inner demons in it? Yes, because nobody's perfect,
- 0:24Lauren and. Unfortunately.
- 0:27No, we're not. We're all not perfect.
- 0:30So we just wanted to talk about like, that's kind of an unspoken
- 0:33truth in itself. And what are some other unspoken
- 0:36truths when it comes to coming to terms with your own toxic
- 0:40traits? And first up, because we didn't
- 0:43want to put it off at all, is procrastination.
- 0:47I see what you did there. We want to talk about how do you
- 0:49spot it and how do you stop it. Lauren, what are your tell tale
- 0:53signs or feelings when or if you are procrastinating?
- 0:58I have to say I'm not a very big procrastinator, mostly because
- 1:03if something's like really important and I have to do it, I
- 1:06can't really concentrate on anything else and it kind of
- 1:08stresses me out. So like the things that are
- 1:11biggest and loudest in my head, I like try to tackle first.
- 1:14And so it tends to allow me to not really procrastinate as much
- 1:19because I do the things that are like top of mind.
- 1:23And that makes me think of, have you heard of the Eisenhower
- 1:26Matrix, where there are things that are important and then
- 1:29there are things that are urgent.
- 1:31And a lot of times what screams for me is those urgent things,
- 1:35but not always the important ones, is that sometimes happen.
- 1:39Yeah, that resonates a lot actually.
- 1:41It's really easy to like sit and go through your inbox and be
- 1:44like, I did all these things, like I checked it off.
- 1:47But there's other important things that didn't get done
- 1:49because you were just doing e-mail.
- 1:51Especially in our world today where it's like you get a Slack
- 1:54or an e-mail or a LinkedIn message or this like just to
- 1:57kind of get stuck in the like, what seems at least to be like
- 2:01urgent to answer versus like what are your actual important
- 2:04priorities that are moving the needle and like impacting things
- 2:08for you and doing those over just answering all the urgent?
- 2:12Emails. Yeah, that's what the Eisenhower
- 2:15Matrix is all about. I have to say one of the things
- 2:17I think of is like metaphor slash cartoon.
- 2:19If people love Calvin Hobbs as much as I do is like, I'm
- 2:22definitely someone who can relate to the whole waiting for
- 2:24that last minute panic. There's actually this adventure
- 2:27in the collection. In the collection.
- 2:29The days are just packed where Calvin actually builds a time
- 2:32machine to try to get ahead of the assignment that's due, and
- 2:36then he ends up in this argument with three versions of himself,
- 2:40like one at six, one at 7:00 and 1:00 at 8.
- 2:42And who's really responsible for missing this assignment before
- 2:44bedtime? Don't worry, everyone who's
- 2:46stuffed animal does the assignment while he's building a
- 2:50time machine. But I just really relate to that
- 2:52because sometimes you are like, OK, let me just wait for
- 2:55inspiration. Let me just like, wait for
- 2:57something magical to happen. So if other people are out there
- 3:00who know that feeling, there's some neuroscience to explain it.
- 3:05Procrastination isn't that you're lazy.
- 3:08It's not that you're this little kid just, you know, making up
- 3:12excuses not to do your homework. It's actually emotional
- 3:14regulation. Here's what happens.
- 3:16Step one, you're anxious about something.
- 3:18So Lauren, you talked about like that idea in your head, there's
- 3:22this thing that you have to get done.
- 3:23You're it's not, you're not over it.
- 3:25That anxiety is triggered by either the difficult task or
- 3:27whatever, you know, emotional weight you put on it.
- 3:31And then a lot of people self soothe with avoidance.
- 3:34So let me, you know, watch some TV, feel better, put on some
- 3:38music, anything you can do to sort of not do the uncomfortable
- 3:41thing that just triggered the anxiety.
- 3:44And then lastly, if you don't do anything, you don't solve the
- 3:47issue, you're not as disciplined as Lauren, then you just have
- 3:50guilt. You just have stress.
- 3:52That is all you have. And you're kind of in that loop
- 3:54of anxiety and avoidance. And the avoidance doesn't help
- 3:57you do the. Thing what I struggle with the
- 3:59most and what what you were talking about like urgent versed
- 4:03verse important. I struggle with that because
- 4:06there's so much noise and we just get hit with everything and
- 4:10like sometimes I have to tackle the urgent thing because it's
- 4:13due today, but it's not the most important thing.
- 4:16Time blocking has been a game changer for me to tackle stuff
- 4:20like this, where it's like this is your 30 minutes to focus on
- 4:23this one thing and like after that you got to move on to
- 4:27something else. Yeah, because honestly, tackling
- 4:30urgent but unimportant things can be a form of
- 4:33procrastination. And so if you have, if you look
- 4:36at what you are procrastinating from, you're gonna see a couple
- 4:39of things. You're gonna see how the things
- 4:41that you procrastinate from make you feel like what are those
- 4:44things that you avoid? And you're on which emotions are
- 4:47attached to them. But then you're also gonna see
- 4:49like the pattern of am I avoiding important things that
- 4:53are just not urgent or don't come with their own deadline,
- 4:55which is a very common thing to do.
- 4:57And I love that idea of time blocking.
- 5:00That is a really good skill. And listen to our whole time
- 5:02management episode. It is a.
- 5:05Good one. Episode 1.
- 5:06Yeah. And I, I don't think there's, I
- 5:09don't think procrastination is all bad, right?
- 5:10Like, I think it gives you an indication of what's important.
- 5:15Like, I think sometimes we worry like, are we focusing on the
- 5:18right things? And what I try to do then is
- 5:20like, listen and be like, OK, what's the thing that's like
- 5:22actually stressing me out? Because you actually know what's
- 5:24important. I'm so glad that you brought up
- 5:27the procrastination isn't always like the worst thing and we're
- 5:31going to be talking about this every time we talk about a toxic
- 5:33trait. It's like, what are some of the
- 5:35good things this might be giving you or these the good things
- 5:37that it's trying to give you? And for me, procrastination is a
- 5:41way that your brain is actually trying to take care of how you
- 5:44feel. There is like important feelings
- 5:45that procrastination is telling you about.
- 5:48Then it doesn't cope really well.
- 5:49And we're really bad at guessing a lot of times about how we're
- 5:53going to feel in the future. So procrastination is always
- 5:56happening before you actually do the thing, which is why a lot of
- 6:00times the advice is like, just do the smallest step towards it.
- 6:04Just work on it for 3 minutes. The reason that you hear that
- 6:07advice over and over again is because you're already guessing
- 6:11something's going to be bad. You're making it way worse than
- 6:13it is in your head. And if you just kind of get
- 6:15started, maybe that will be the trigger that you needed.
- 6:19So, Lauren, you talked a little bit about kind of like knowing
- 6:22your priorities. Are there other ways that you
- 6:26stay disciplined? At the start of every week,
- 6:28either Sunday night or like Monday morning, I like look at
- 6:32when I look at like my whole week and then I look at like my
- 6:35To Do List and all my priorities and I kind of sat like I call
- 6:40this week a success. If I get these three things
- 6:42done, then it's harder for me to kind of veer off because a lot
- 6:47of the problem is there's just so many things and you don't
- 6:50have time to kind of figure out what might be important.
- 6:52So if it's at the end of every day or the beginning of every
- 6:55day, just kind of sitting down and being like, all right,
- 6:58success looks like 1-2, three or even just one.
- 7:02And like when you're busy and when you got a lot going on or
- 7:05you only have 30 minutes or you're just feeling stressed, go
- 7:08back to that one thing and it makes it easier to kind of
- 7:11anchor on it. I find that super helpful
- 7:14because otherwise I'll get lost and be like, oh, maybe I'll just
- 7:17answer all these 500 emails in my inbox because like I should
- 7:20be focusing on the the thing that's moving the needle and I
- 7:23need to set that up so I can continue to go back to it.
- 7:27That, that makes a lot of sense. And I feel like your advice is
- 7:29going to resonate a lot with the people who are, I think it's
- 7:32called like multitasking procrastinators because there's
- 7:35different kinds. So if you're someone who's
- 7:38always feeling busy, that is a specific kind of
- 7:41procrastination. And to your point, it's all
- 7:43about prioritization. There are other kinds of
- 7:46procrastinators, perfectionist procrastinators, for example,
- 7:50who are like, I have built this up so much in my head that I
- 7:54have really high standards and expectations for what it's going
- 7:58to be. And then there are other kinds
- 7:59of procrastinators who are kind of like called novelty secret
- 8:02procrastinators. And those are the ones who just
- 8:05want to be doing new things. So as soon as something feels
- 8:08like it might be boring or half solved, they're not engaged
- 8:13anymore in it. Oh, I didn't know there were
- 8:15different kinds of procrastinators.
- 8:17I feel like the Busy 1, is that the one that resonates the most
- 8:21with me? I think I kind of sit in the
- 8:24middle of a lot of things. So other people's urgency, we
- 8:28didn't really talk about that. But I also think that's a
- 8:30challenge when it comes to procrastination too.
- 8:34Like you're not only getting your urgency, but like if you're
- 8:37a member of a team or you have employees on your team or you're
- 8:41just a part of a larger organization, you're also trying
- 8:44to manage what everybody else might need from you.
- 8:46And that can seem overwhelming. Well, and I think that there is
- 8:50a like effect that that can have because if you have a team, you
- 8:55might need to move your deadline so that you get things done
- 8:58ahead of time so that your team has time to react.
- 9:00And if you have a, another procrastinator on your team or
- 9:03someone who's a real chronic procrastinator, a, you know,
- 9:07know that this is again an emotional thing.
- 9:10So they're not sabotaging. They might actually be like
- 9:13struggling. There might be something that's
- 9:15blocking them. We talked about removing
- 9:17blockers from people, other people on your team, but they
- 9:20could set you back or change the timelines on you and then add
- 9:23stress to everyone else. So getting at the heart of what
- 9:26is causing their procrastination for them is going to be super
- 9:29helpful and for you is going to be super helpful.
- 9:32But I also think that's a great call out because in a lot of the
- 9:35past episodes we've talked about like getting to know your team
- 9:38and really understanding like how they work, how do they want
- 9:41to receive feedback, like what kind of environment they work in
- 9:45Well. And so I think that's important
- 9:47to note too, like where potentially is there an
- 9:50opportunity to kind of help keep people accountable or know that
- 9:54maybe like they leave something to the last minute?
- 9:57These are just things that you kind of learn about your team
- 9:59and the people you work with, and it's good to kind of account
- 10:01for them. Yeah.
- 10:03And so I think there are two things to really diagnose and
- 10:07know when you're looking at either yourself or someone else
- 10:11who might be procrastinating. 1 is that emotional loop that I
- 10:14talked about. It's like what anxiety initially
- 10:16triggered or what emotion really initially triggered the start of
- 10:21this loop. And then the other one, and I
- 10:23also hinted at this is what kind of procrastinator the person is.
- 10:27And I find that knowing those two things, I end up, for me
- 10:32being about 80% of a solution. So I can observe a loop, I can
- 10:36pinpoint what's so stressful about the thing I'm avoiding.
- 10:39I can reality check if if it's really bad or not.
- 10:42I can break it down into smaller pieces.
- 10:44After all of that, Lauren, for me, there's still this 20% like
- 10:49of me that still needs an actual push in a new direction because
- 10:52motivation, like having your making yourself do something is
- 10:55internal. There's an internal driver
- 10:57that's telling you to do it. The way to get over
- 10:59procrastination is adding an external driver.
- 11:02And you've been talking about this, all the deadlines, other
- 11:04people needing it. There are things that are
- 11:07important in your life that you haven't done, and I'm talking to
- 11:10our audience that you haven't done because you have no
- 11:13external driver to do it. And so you can set a deadline.
- 11:18Your brain's going to tell you actually that deadline's not
- 11:21real. So what do you do?
- 11:22Instead of that, something else to do is actually just add
- 11:25another external trigger. And recently, I learned this
- 11:28habit of choosing something to do that's relatively short and
- 11:33feels emotionally worse than your actual task.
- 11:35Now people are going to think, oh, yeah, sometimes I do the
- 11:38dishes. I might mop the floor.
- 11:39I might clean. Something that feels really
- 11:41satisfying. That's actually something you'd
- 11:43rather do. And whatever you're avoiding,
- 11:47the thing I'm talking about is like, take a cold shower.
- 11:50Imagine putting hot sauce on your tongue.
- 11:52Like, I'm waiting, Lauren. Yep.
- 11:53Lauren just stuck out her tongue because that's disgusting to
- 11:56think about. Sometimes for me, all I need to
- 11:59do is think about that thing. Oh, I'm going to go, you know,
- 12:02do an ice bucket challenge on myself.
- 12:05Yeah, I love. That so that.
- 12:06OK, that one wouldn't work. Yeah, but I you, you made a
- 12:11reaction to the hot sauce. Like if there's something, if
- 12:13there's something else that you can think of that you're like,
- 12:17oh, I really don't want to do that.
- 12:19Sometimes just that alone can be your external trigger to like
- 12:23break the cycle of I feel bad about the other thing.
- 12:25You're like, actually, yeah, let me, you know, answer that
- 12:28e-mail, awkward e-mail. I've been avoiding or let me
- 12:30tackle that big presentation that's making me nervous.
- 12:34I love that those. Are really good 'cause it to
- 12:37your point? Like if this is a mental thing.
- 12:39So like, what's your little mental hack that can get you to
- 12:42motivated to do the thing? Yeah.
- 12:45So it all comes down again to like knowing yourself,
- 12:49recognizing when you're in that loop, kind of understanding
- 12:53where what is this issue? Is it prioritization?
- 12:56Is it have I made the project too big in my head?
- 12:58What's going on? And then after all of that,
- 13:01actually recognizing that you need the combination, you need
- 13:05the mental reason. Hey, this is important to me.
- 13:08This is why I'm feeling this way.
- 13:10My emotions are telling me that this matters to me.
- 13:12And you need the actual like external thing, which is like
- 13:15it's due to someone else. I told someone else I'd get it
- 13:17done. It's another, you didn't talk
- 13:18about that, but accountability buddies.
- 13:20A lot of times that is enough of an external trigger for people.
- 13:23So think about what your external trigger can be and
- 13:25think about what your internal feelings can be.
- 13:27And hopefully that improves procrastination for all of you.
- 13:32And that's what I was going to say car, I think don't be afraid
- 13:34to share it with a colleague, a friend, a leader.
- 13:37Like having someone else be a part of it is the accountability
- 13:42partner. I think that makes a huge
- 13:44difference, right? Like sometimes when I really
- 13:47don't want to do something, if even in my personal life, I'll
- 13:50tell my husband, like, I need you to like, or I need you to
- 13:55tell me to do this or like, I need you to like to help create
- 13:58the scenario where this is possible.
- 14:00If you're comfortable with your people on your team or even your
- 14:04leader, you can be like, listen, like this is something that's a
- 14:06challenging project for me. Like, can you please check in
- 14:09with me On this date? And I'd love to have a
- 14:11conversation about it. You don't have to say like, I'm
- 14:13a procrastinator and I don't want to do this.
- 14:15You can frame it as like, hey, this is a new challenge for me.
- 14:18I'd really love some help. Can we set some like specific
- 14:22meetings to check in? And then you have those dates on
- 14:24your calendar calendar to be accountable for.
- 14:27Yeah, I think the, like, setting up meetings to check in is a
- 14:30really great way to do that. Sort of under the radar.
- 14:33If you're like, you know that you're not gonna be doing it
- 14:35right. I think back to writing my,
- 14:38like, thesis and having my thesis advisor, just like, we
- 14:41need to meet regularly. Oh, we need to meet more
- 14:43regularly. And then you just got a meeting
- 14:45on your calendar where you have to tell someone like, Yep,
- 14:47here's where I'm at in my project.
- 14:49You can do that at work too. Yeah.
- 14:51Oh, I think that's a great point.
- 14:52Great, thanks everyone and hopefully this helps and please
- 14:55tell us share if this worked for you and if there are other toxic
- 14:59traits that you think we should explore.
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