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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to an episode of Legally Brunette. I
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Speaker 1: will be your host today Emily Simpson with Shane Shane. Okay,
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Speaker 1: we are going to take a little visit back to
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Speaker 1: a case we've already talked about a couple of times.
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Speaker 1: It is the Anna Koepner case, which is ongoing. If
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Speaker 1: you don't recognize the name, let's just do a little refresher.
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Speaker 1: This happened back in November of twenty twenty five, so
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Speaker 1: it's not too long ago. But this was the eighteen
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Speaker 1: year old cheerleader Anna Kaepner, who was murdered on November
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Speaker 1: seventh of twenty twenty five aboard the Carnival cruise ship
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Speaker 1: called Horizon. Her stepbrother, sixteen year old Timothy Hudson. His
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Speaker 1: name has now come out because he's now charged as
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Speaker 1: an adult, but if you remember, originally they just called
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Speaker 1: him t right, So his name is Timothy Hudson. He
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Speaker 1: is accused of raping and killing her while they shared
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Speaker 1: a cabin in international waters. So the reason we're doing
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Speaker 1: an update on this case is because it was recently
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Speaker 1: just kind of all over the news. There are lots
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Speaker 1: of articles that came out. There was a recent hearing
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Speaker 1: in this case where the prosecution made a motion that
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Speaker 1: he should be detained because I don't know if you know,
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Speaker 1: but ever since this has happened, he has been living
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Speaker 1: with his maternal.
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Speaker 2: Uncle as a because he's a mine. Is he a minor?
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Speaker 1: He is a miner. He's sixteen years old.
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Speaker 2: I think that was the big deal, right, he was
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Speaker 2: a minor, so they didn't they didn't hold him.
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Speaker 1: They didn't hold him. So then when he was indicted
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Speaker 1: by a grand jury, he was indicted as an adult.
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Speaker 1: So now he's in the federal court system.
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Speaker 2: He's in custy.
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Speaker 1: Well he's not, so he just went to a hearing.
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Speaker 1: This has just happened recently, and this is what all
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Speaker 1: the buzz has been about. And this is why I
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Speaker 1: wanted to do an update episode on this because I
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Speaker 1: think a lot of people were confused as to why
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Speaker 1: the judge did not detain him. He is still living
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Speaker 1: with his uncle, so he was originally charged as a miner.
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Speaker 1: This is back in February of twenty twenty six. Timothy
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Speaker 1: Hudson's case began moving from the juvenile court to the
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Speaker 1: adult court. On March tenth of twenty twenty six, Judge
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Speaker 1: Beth Bloom ordered the transfer of him being within the
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Speaker 1: juvenile system to adult prosecution, which prompted a federal grand
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Speaker 1: jury indictment. Then, on April thirteenth of twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 1: he was formally indicted as an adult on charges of
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Speaker 1: first degree murder and aggravated sexual abuse. He is pleaded
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Speaker 1: not guilty to both those charges.
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Speaker 2: Did he share a cabin with her? Did we know
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Speaker 2: that now? Because I think last time we weren't certain.
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Speaker 2: But you mentioned they shared a cabin.
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Speaker 1: They shared a cabin, and also she had a half
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Speaker 1: brother that also shared the cabin, who I believe is
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Speaker 1: ten years old, So the three of them were sharing
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Speaker 1: a cabin. As a parent, I want to know your
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Speaker 1: thoughts on a stepbrother and stepsister. She's eighteen, he's sixteen
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Speaker 1: sharing a cabin.
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Speaker 2: To me, well, if he's prone to killing, I wouldn't
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Speaker 2: suggest that they share a cabin, right.
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Speaker 1: I agree with you on that one. However, at this point,
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Speaker 1: we don't know he's prone to killing. We just know
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Speaker 1: that she's an eighteen year old attractive, pretty cheerly cheerleader,
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Speaker 1: and he's a sixteen year old male. And also there's
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Speaker 1: been some allegations that the parents should have been unnotice because.
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Speaker 2: It's a history.
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Speaker 1: There was a history that I've read about in some articles,
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Speaker 1: and some people have given some interviews saying that he
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Speaker 1: had an infatuation with her, and even her ex boyfriend
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Speaker 1: came forward and gave an interview and said that he
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Speaker 1: was on a FaceTime with her and the stepbrother came
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Speaker 1: into the room and got on top of her and
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Speaker 1: was sexual towards her, oh like, physically inappropriate, inappropriate exactly.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he was probably passing it off as being funny,
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Speaker 2: but he was being inappropriate, and I.
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Speaker 1: Believe that there was an attraction and an infatuation there. Now,
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Speaker 1: as a parent, there's no way I would let stepsiblings
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Speaker 1: share a room because you can call them brothers and
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Speaker 1: sisters all day long, but at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: they're step siblings. They're still eighteen and sixteen, and they
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Speaker 1: still have hormones raging, and he clearly has an attraction
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Speaker 1: to her. So I don't know if they were trying
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Speaker 1: to save money or what.
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Speaker 2: Those cabins, Yeah, crises are costly, They are costly, and
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Speaker 2: then what you can do a whole It's not like
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Speaker 2: one overnight, So you spend like one hundred and fifty
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Speaker 2: bucks on an extra room. It's like, however long the
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Speaker 2: trip is a whole week, they'd have to have the
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Speaker 2: cabin and.
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Speaker 1: Right, But you're saying that they shouldn't have spent the
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Speaker 1: extra money for them.
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Speaker 2: No, I'm saying I can understand them probably thinking let's
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Speaker 2: squeeze all the kids together.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's that those cabins are tiny.
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Speaker 1: They are tiny. That's what I'm saying. That is a
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Speaker 1: very awkward situation for step siblings.
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Speaker 2: I wasn't saying it was okay. I was saying I
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Speaker 2: understand probably why a family would think, let's bunch of
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Speaker 2: you all together. Do the parents now separate?
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Speaker 1: No, they're still together.
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Speaker 2: That's why I mean, isn't that odd? What do you mean?
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Speaker 2: Can you think that, well, like your your son killed
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Speaker 2: my daughter?
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Speaker 1: Oh, I know, I've thought about that. It's that's an
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Speaker 1: awkward that's an awkward situation.
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Speaker 2: I'm not say split up. I'm just saying, like, that's
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Speaker 2: that makes for interesting dinner conversation.
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Speaker 1: It does. But the way I understand it is so
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Speaker 1: it is the biological father, and it is a step mother,
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Speaker 1: and then it's the stepmother's son is Timothy Hudson, and
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Speaker 1: they all went on this cruise together. So the way
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Speaker 1: I understand it is they are still together, the dad
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Speaker 1: and the stepmom. However, I read and I'm sure it's
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Speaker 1: true that they completely cut off the minor son, the
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Speaker 1: Timothy Hudson, like they have nothing to do with him.
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Speaker 1: That's why he went to go live with the uncle,
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Speaker 1: the maternal.
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Speaker 2: Uncle, which to me, well, now you want to investigate
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Speaker 2: the uncle, why do you have a history? Let's check
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Speaker 2: your computer.
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Speaker 1: Well, here's also the thing I was. I mean that
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Speaker 1: goes through my mind. Okay, she's murdered on a cruise ship.
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Speaker 1: Everyone's pretty sure who it was. They have to take
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Speaker 1: the cruise ship back. Oh it's well, we're going to
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Speaker 1: get into that because there's a lot of evidence that
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Speaker 1: just points directly to him. I mean, they shared the
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Speaker 1: room together.
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Speaker 2: But there's ten year old boy.
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Speaker 1: Right, we'll get into that. But my point is when
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Speaker 1: the when the ship comes back and docks, I mean,
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Speaker 1: they have to make a call because what do they
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Speaker 1: this kid's with them on vacation. I mean, can you
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Speaker 1: imagine what's going on? Like the chaos and that family.
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Speaker 1: I mean they're like, we're not going to take him
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Speaker 1: home with us. He just murdered Anna.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think at the time it wasn't certain. It
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Speaker 2: was just more of the tragedy of her death. And
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Speaker 2: I'm sure they had a lot of questions and stuff.
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Speaker 2: But I bet you that they you know, you're not
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Speaker 2: going to be so quick to accuse your kid.
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Speaker 1: No, but I think that they were pretty I think
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Speaker 1: they were pretty well aware of what happened in who
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Speaker 1: it was once the ship docked, and I think he
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Speaker 1: went to live with the oh from that point. From
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Speaker 1: that point, well, see the uncle.
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Speaker 2: Why is the uncle okay with housing a murder?
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Speaker 1: You know, the uncle also has two minor children that
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Speaker 1: live in the home. And this kid who's sixteen, who
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Speaker 1: committed a rape and murder has been living in the
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Speaker 1: same home with the uncle who has two minor children.
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Speaker 1: All Right, the case is being prosecuted in federal court
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Speaker 1: because we've talked to about this before. This happened in
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Speaker 1: international waters, so that makes it a federal case. That
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Speaker 1: means that there is no state that has jurisdiction. That's
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Speaker 1: why this case is so murky, and that's why this
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Speaker 1: judge I don't think he knew what to do with
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Speaker 1: Timothy Hudson. Because they're not used to having miners in
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Speaker 1: the federal system.
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Speaker 2: They're like, we never thought about this scenario. What do
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Speaker 2: we do?
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Speaker 1: So throughout this whole process, he's never been incarcerated. The
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Speaker 1: reason that he was in court recently.
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Speaker 2: Because because it's the complications that the internet in that
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Speaker 2: international waters poses is the fact that it automatically goes
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Speaker 2: to a federal court. And here we have a minor,
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Speaker 2: and maybe under some circumstances it would have been under
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Speaker 2: it in the state court.
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Speaker 1: Well, normally state courts deal with minors, and they're equipped
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Speaker 1: to deal with minors, and they have facilities for miners.
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Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, they have practices in place, they have
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Speaker 2: practices in place handle it. And here it's just they
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Speaker 2: never thought about it. They just thought international criminals are
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Speaker 2: always at age adults.
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Speaker 1: Right. So now you have this miner who's sixteen years old,
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Speaker 1: who's going through the federal court system. Prosecution moves to
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Speaker 1: have him detained because he's he's now being tried as
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Speaker 1: an adult. He goes before a federal judge recently, and
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Speaker 1: the federal judge, I don't think he knows what to
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Speaker 1: do with him. So that's what we're going to get into.
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Speaker 1: So they go to court recently and the prosecutors outline
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Speaker 1: their key evidence at this is the recent hearing. So basically,
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Speaker 1: you know, prosecutors get up and they say the reason
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Speaker 1: that he needs to be detained is because of all
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Speaker 1: these things that occurred. So surveillance footage shows Timothy Hudson
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Speaker 1: and Anna Kaepner entering their shared stateroom around seven thirty pm,
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Speaker 1: the night before her body was found Kepner. This is
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Speaker 1: Anna appeared to be alive as late as eight fourteen PM,
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Speaker 1: because this was the last time that she had any
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Speaker 1: social media activity. I believe it was snapchat eight eight
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Speaker 1: fourteen pm.
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Speaker 2: Pm OKA, but she never left the room.
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Speaker 1: At ten thirteen pm, cameras captured Timothy Hudson peering out
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Speaker 1: into the hallway before leaving alone. He actually opens the door,
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Speaker 1: looks out, looks both ways to make sure no one's there,
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Speaker 1: and then he leaves the room.
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Speaker 2: Takes his gloves off the o his room does so
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Speaker 2: eight p fifteen Valie fifteen. She's in her room with
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Speaker 2: social media activity and two hours later he exits and.
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Speaker 1: He's looking pretty suspicious when he exits ship WiFi data
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Speaker 1: indicated that Timothy Hudson also took Kepner's phone to another
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Speaker 1: deck and likely discarded it. Was this came out recently
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Speaker 1: in this hearing. I didn't know about that previously. It
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Speaker 1: was recovered in the trash bin by a crew member.
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Speaker 1: So that shows that's in trial. When they get to trial,
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Speaker 1: they're going to show that he knew that he did
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Speaker 1: something wrong, right, because he's trying to cover up evidence.
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Speaker 1: At that point, we talked about the DNA stemen was
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Speaker 1: recovered from her body and described by prosecutors as having
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Speaker 1: a high probability. I love high probability. What was it?
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Speaker 1: One in sceptilium? Also, this is interesting they I've read
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Speaker 1: this a couple of times in a couple of articles,
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Speaker 1: and they put it at the very bottom of the
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Speaker 1: article and they do not elaborate on it. But there's
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Speaker 1: also she also had sexual relations with someone else on
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Speaker 1: the ship. Yeah, because and I don't know how they
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Speaker 1: know that because it said that there wasn't separate DNA found,
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Speaker 1: but they they do.
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Speaker 2: Maybe that was just known socially, like I.
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Speaker 1: Don't know, or if someone else or the guy she
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Speaker 1: had sex with, like found out she was dead. And
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Speaker 1: he came forward and was like, I had sex with her,
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Speaker 1: but it wasn't me. But I feel like they don't
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Speaker 1: elaborate on it, and even in the articles, they'll just
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Speaker 1: kind of sneak it in at the end because I
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Speaker 1: feel like maybe they don't want to make a big
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Speaker 1: deal out of it, like it's victim shaming in some
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Speaker 1: way where they're trying.
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Speaker 2: To make it like victim shaman is talking about the
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Speaker 2: DNA and all the scenarios.
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Speaker 1: No. I know, but I'm saying, I'm sure the defense
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Speaker 1: is going to say that the sex between Timothy Hudson
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Speaker 1: and Anna Keepner was consensual, And so I'm just saying
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Speaker 1: maybe they're they're not elaborating on it and just kind
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Speaker 1: of leaving it out so it doesn't look like she
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Speaker 1: was just out in about on a cruise ship, you know,
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Speaker 1: just being sexually active with a bunch of people. So
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Speaker 1: I've seen it a couple of times, but it's always
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Speaker 1: buried in the articles and there's never any more details
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Speaker 1: as to who, when, what, where, and how they know
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Speaker 1: about that. Also, the medical examiner determined that Anna Kaepner
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Speaker 1: died from mechanical asphyxiation. They do say that they think
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Speaker 1: that he put her in a choke hold in order
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Speaker 1: to murder her.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also as opposed to die like.
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Speaker 1: Or with his hands. They think he like did the
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Speaker 1: choke hold from behind. Yeah, And they believe that he
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Speaker 1: had her in a chokehold for between three to five
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Speaker 1: minutes with enough force to rupture her ear drum, because
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Speaker 1: I do believe there was a lot of bruising on
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Speaker 1: her neck and there was also blood found in her
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Speaker 1: ear drum. So that's how they determined that it was
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Speaker 1: a choke hold and probably from three to five minutes. Also,
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Speaker 1: what came out in this trial was that you.
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine that now that going on in a
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Speaker 2: cabin and wouldn't there be noise hopefully from her that
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Speaker 2: those cabins, I mean, it's not like they're from I.
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Speaker 1: Would think, I mean, I would think they're very small cabins.
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Speaker 1: It's taking three to five minutes to ever in a
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Speaker 1: choke hold and strangle her.
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Speaker 2: But prior to the choke holds, when maybe she someone
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Speaker 2: might shout out and resist and push back. But if
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Speaker 2: you're in the choke hold, maybe it would just be
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Speaker 2: shuffling around, but not you're not able to scream I
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Speaker 2: don't know. Well, obviously no one heard anything or no
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Speaker 2: one came forward, right.
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Speaker 1: Also this came out in this most recent trial where
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Speaker 1: prosecution wanted the judge to have him detained. Her underwear
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Speaker 1: was also found like up inside of her, so.
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Speaker 2: You can tell it was a position that showed that.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't consensual, that it was most likely I mean aggressive,
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Speaker 1: aggressive and forced.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Also, I was thinking he's not I mean, I know
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Speaker 1: he's sixteen. This isn't a smart kid by any stretch
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Speaker 1: of the imagination. But you're on a cruise ship and
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Speaker 1: you're trying to get rid of evidence. Why wouldn't you
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Speaker 1: throw her phone into the ocean.
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Speaker 2: Or put it under the bed?
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Speaker 1: Oh where her body is? Y?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he did. He thought that was a good hiding spot.
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Speaker 1: He did hide the body under the bed and then
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Speaker 1: he put life jackets on top of her and like
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Speaker 1: a sheet.
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Speaker 2: And how is getting rid of the phone doing? Was
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Speaker 2: there anything found on the phone?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know about what was found on the
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Speaker 1: phone at this point. I mean they did say that
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Speaker 1: her last snapchat interaction was eight fourteen, so they've done
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Speaker 1: forensics on it. But otherwise that you.
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Speaker 2: Get that without the phone too, probably.
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Speaker 1: Probably, But I don't know about any other type of
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Speaker 1: evidence that's on her phone. I'm just saying, this guy,
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Speaker 1: he leaves the room, he looks suspicious, He goes through
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Speaker 1: the hallway, he takes a trip to another deck. He
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Speaker 1: throws her phone away in the trash bend. Why wouldn't
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Speaker 1: you throw it overboard? But all right, Hudson's defence team.
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Speaker 1: So Timothy Hudson's defense team zeroed in on gap and
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Speaker 1: the forensic investigation. So the defense kept saying during this
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Speaker 1: most recent hearing, your honor, there's lots of gaps in this.
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Speaker 1: So they're saying he's innocent, and they're saying there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of gaps. And then I know, the judge asked,
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Speaker 1: what gaps are you talking about? And the defense said, well,
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Speaker 1: we're not interesting in trying the case right now, So
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Speaker 1: I don't know what these gaps are. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if they're going to focus on the fact that she
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Speaker 1: did have some relations, some sexual relations with someone else
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Speaker 1: on the ship, that'll be interesting.
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Speaker 2: She was okay, so fine, So what's the argument, Oh,
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Speaker 2: she slept with this other guy or these other guys
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Speaker 2: or whatever, so it could have been them. But his
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Speaker 2: DNA was found on her. He left the cabin after
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Speaker 2: she was presumably murdered. He hid her phone like fingers
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Speaker 2: point to him, not to some random guy that she
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Speaker 2: had a little fling with.
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Speaker 1: Well, the most damning evidence is the surveillance. It shows
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Speaker 1: them both enter the cab. Entry shows them both enter,
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Speaker 1: It shows him leave at some point, and then he
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Speaker 1: goes back in. She never leaves, and the and the brother,
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Speaker 1: the biological brother does come by at some point. I
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Speaker 1: don't remember the younger one. The younger one, I think
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Speaker 1: he's around ten, but he comes by in order to
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Speaker 1: come into the room, and Timothy Hudson won't let him
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Speaker 1: in the room. He makes him sit outside. He says
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Speaker 1: he's changing his clothes. He won't let him in, and
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Speaker 1: then he waits in the hallway for a couple of minutes.
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Speaker 1: He goes in, and then he ends up spending the
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Speaker 1: night in that room and sleeps on the bed with
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Speaker 1: his sister underneath the bed and not knowing that she
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Speaker 1: was deceased was under there right. So not only does
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Speaker 1: the defense say that there's gaps and you know this
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Speaker 1: investigation and in the forensics, they also questioned the FBI's
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Speaker 1: lead case agent about whether DNA was ever collected from
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Speaker 1: injuries on Kepner's neck, and the defense also highlighted that
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Speaker 1: the medical examiner made no determination about whether the person
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Speaker 1: who sexually assaulted Keepner was the same person who killed her. So, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I knew they were gonna that's what their defense is
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Speaker 1: going to be, like, it was consensual and someone else
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Speaker 1: could have right, But the surveillance video is going to
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Speaker 1: show that she goes in the room, she.
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Speaker 2: Never leaves the room.
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Speaker 1: Because the crime occurred on the cruise ship with multiple
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Speaker 1: people nearby, the defense is expected to argue that the
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Speaker 1: prosecution can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Hudson was
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Speaker 1: the one who strangled her. I don't know how they're
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Speaker 1: going to get past that. I don't know how they're
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Speaker 1: going to try to plant reasonable doubt that someone else
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Speaker 1: was able to enter that room at some point. Not So,
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Speaker 1: the prosecution really honed in on the fact that they
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Speaker 1: were alone together in the cabin for three hours, that
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Speaker 1: her underwear was found inside of her, that the choke
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Speaker 1: hold lasted three to five minutes, and that he took
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Speaker 1: her cell phone and threw it away, and that the
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Speaker 1: DNA from the seaman matches Timothy Hudson, and also that
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Speaker 1: he's the type of person who snaps and does something
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Speaker 1: like that. So that's why they were arguing that he
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Speaker 1: needs to be detained and not be hanging out at
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Speaker 1: home with family. The defense argues that he is not
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Speaker 1: a flight risk, that he doesn't have a car, he
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Speaker 1: doesn't have a license, that he's been compliant so far,
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Speaker 1: he's attended all hearings, that he has a GPS monitor on,
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Speaker 1: and that basically that the uncle's you know over him,
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Speaker 1: and you know, has been taking care of him and
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Speaker 1: has made sure that he's been compliant, has gotten to
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Speaker 1: all these hearings, and he hasn't tried to flee. Where
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Speaker 1: the ya he's I believe Tampa.
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Speaker 2: Area is taking place in Florida.
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Speaker 1: And then but then the the hearings and the jurisdiction
17:30
Speaker 1: is the Miami area.
17:31
Speaker 2: What like, I know you don't have any nephews, but
17:35
Speaker 2: if you had a.
17:36
Speaker 1: Nephew, yeah, would I say come hang out with us?
17:39
Speaker 1: And what's there going to say? Was his uncle like, oh, yeah,
17:41
Speaker 1: I could use help with the kids. Can you come
17:42
Speaker 1: stay with me? I have no idea, That's what I'm saying.
17:45
Speaker 1: I would love to hear what that conversation was when
17:47
Speaker 1: everyone got off the ship or or later. I don't
17:51
Speaker 1: I can't imagine Timothy Hudson got off the ship and
17:53
Speaker 1: then rode home with his mom and stepdad. I mean,
17:57
Speaker 1: in what scenario would that have happened. I think he
18:00
Speaker 1: had to have gone straight to the uncle immediately. So
18:05
Speaker 1: the judge's ruling was basically a temporary ruling. And I
18:08
Speaker 1: don't think this is what people understand because all the
18:10
Speaker 1: headlines are like, he's not detained, he's still free, and
18:13
Speaker 1: then everyone's like, why is he He's a rapist and allowed.
18:19
Speaker 2: Right.
18:19
Speaker 1: So basically what the judge said was he didn't know
18:22
Speaker 1: what to do with him because it's federal court, so
18:25
Speaker 1: he asked the US Marshal Service if they could do
18:27
Speaker 1: some investigating to see if there are some type of
18:29
Speaker 1: adolescent facilities that are near Tampa where his uncle is,
18:33
Speaker 1: that could house him and detain him. So basically it
18:36
Speaker 1: was a temporary ruling saying I need more information. I
18:40
Speaker 1: need you guys to do some more investigation as to
18:42
Speaker 1: somewhere we can put him.
18:43
Speaker 2: Well, it was important because the judge probably doesn't want
18:45
Speaker 2: to make a wrong move because it'll be used against him,
18:48
Speaker 2: and it'll be used against you know, the system, and
18:52
Speaker 2: maybe there's not due diligence or he was under dress
18:55
Speaker 2: or something. So the judge is probably taking extra care
18:59
Speaker 2: to make sure that the case goes through.
19:02
Speaker 1: And I'm sure he doesn't want to put him into
19:04
Speaker 1: an adult prison setting as a sixteen year old minor
19:07
Speaker 1: because I I'm sure he's worried about his safety.
19:11
Speaker 2: Well, no, because they do that. They do that, but
19:15
Speaker 2: then why not.
19:16
Speaker 1: Just detain him in an adult prison.
19:19
Speaker 2: Then, because the judge doesn't want this to be all
19:23
Speaker 2: messed up and bungled up that then they have a
19:27
Speaker 2: case of like this evidence is inadmissible or he was
19:30
Speaker 2: under dress or a lawsuit or something, and maybe he right,
19:34
Speaker 2: Maybe he doesn't want to put him in an adult
19:35
Speaker 2: prison because if he was wrongfully detained in an adult prison,
19:39
Speaker 2: as would be found out later, and he was injured
19:41
Speaker 2: or hurt, that wouldn't be good.
19:44
Speaker 1: Right. So anyway, he is scheduled to go to trial
19:46
Speaker 1: in September of twenty twenty six, which is a very
19:48
Speaker 1: short time period. So I have a feeling there's not
19:50
Speaker 1: going to be any detainment of him. He's probably going
19:52
Speaker 1: to end up just staying with the uncle the entire
19:54
Speaker 1: time until his trial in September, but we will definitely
19:57
Speaker 1: follow the trial and keep you guys up to date
20:00
Speaker 1: on that, and if there's any other information that comes.
20:02
Speaker 2: Out about this case be added to your homicide tour.
20:06
Speaker 1: I would like to add it. I mean, I feel
20:08
Speaker 1: like logistically it's getting a little difficult because it would
20:10
Speaker 1: have to be the Carnival Horizon cruise and if anyone
20:14
Speaker 1: has been on the Carnival Horizon lately, let me know
20:16
Speaker 1: what it's like. And if we could figure out what
20:19
Speaker 1: room that they were in on that cruise ship, that
20:22
Speaker 1: would be interesting as well. Also, can I just talk
20:25
Speaker 1: about I saw lots of video because this is the
20:29
Speaker 1: first time because he is now being tried as an adult.
20:31
Speaker 1: They show his image, right, his name's Timothy Hush. They
20:35
Speaker 1: show him showing up to court with his uncle. He's
20:37
Speaker 1: walking into court with his uncle. It is very difficult
20:40
Speaker 1: to look at a young sixteen year old boy.
20:43
Speaker 2: Because he just looks like a young.
20:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks like a young kid. I mean, you
20:48
Speaker 1: know he's a monster because of what he did, But
20:50
Speaker 1: then monster does not correspond with what you see he's
20:55
Speaker 1: like this nice, clean cut you know, babyface kid with
20:59
Speaker 1: a nice haircut and a button down on. He looks fifteen,
21:03
Speaker 1: sixteen years old. He looks like a nice kid.
21:06
Speaker 2: The kind of person they want on that jury. I
21:08
Speaker 2: just that's why they dressed him up and cleaned him up,
21:11
Speaker 2: probably if he wasn't already.
21:12
Speaker 1: It's just very difficult to look at that and look
21:15
Speaker 1: at him and think what he did in that room.
21:19
Speaker 1: And it goes back to what we always talk about
21:20
Speaker 1: about nature versus nurture. Was he always a killer? Was
21:24
Speaker 1: he born that way?
21:25
Speaker 2: No?
21:26
Speaker 1: He was? Or he was? What circumstances made him snap
21:30
Speaker 1: like that and strangle her for three to five minutes?
21:34
Speaker 2: I mean that's a long time. I don't think. I
21:36
Speaker 2: think it builds up over time, like maybe they have
21:38
Speaker 2: these thoughts, you know, maybe short lived, but they have
21:41
Speaker 2: these thoughts. It's not like he's clean cut, innocent the
21:44
Speaker 2: whole time, never has a bad thought in his head
21:47
Speaker 2: about murder or getting what he wants, and then it happens,
21:52
Speaker 2: and then she denies him and so he snaps. I
21:54
Speaker 2: don't imagine it's that. I imagine it was a slow
21:58
Speaker 2: build up to this, not premeditated build up, but like, yeah,
22:04
Speaker 2: his thoughts and he entertains him and he sees things
22:07
Speaker 2: and then he has anger issues and you know, maybe
22:10
Speaker 2: it's all subtle inside and then and then he snaps.
22:13
Speaker 1: I mean for you to be able to put someone
22:15
Speaker 1: in a choke hold for think about how long three
22:17
Speaker 1: to five minutes.
22:18
Speaker 2: Is, Oh, you want him dead?
22:19
Speaker 1: I mean if we sat here for three to five minutes,
22:21
Speaker 1: I mean it would feel like an eternity. That is
22:23
Speaker 1: a long time. That's a long time for you to
22:26
Speaker 1: think I probably shouldn't do this.
22:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he just kept But I think some people
22:33
Speaker 2: like Chris Watts when he killed his wife, he says
22:37
Speaker 2: that it was just like kill was the only thing
22:40
Speaker 2: on his mind. He like, he didn't say he blacked out,
22:43
Speaker 2: but he kind of made it like he blacked out
22:45
Speaker 2: with everything around him and it was just I want her.
22:48
Speaker 1: Dead and he couldn't think about anything else, let it go,
22:51
Speaker 1: like it was all consumed.
22:52
Speaker 2: He said that, like that's what he was at. He
22:56
Speaker 2: was just it was just kill and get her killed,
22:59
Speaker 2: and that was it. Once he started.
23:09
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about McKenzie Sherilla again. We already
23:11
Speaker 1: did an episode on her, So if you guys haven't
23:13
Speaker 1: listened to it yet, you could go back and listen
23:14
Speaker 1: to it. It's called The Crash. It's on Netflix. We
23:17
Speaker 1: wanted to do an update or talk about her more
23:19
Speaker 1: because after The Crash came out and we recorded an episode,
23:23
Speaker 1: I feel like even more information that was in Well.
23:26
Speaker 2: I think the popularity does it right. The popularity causes
23:29
Speaker 2: a lot of people to chime in and share and.
23:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so now there's even more information, more content
23:35
Speaker 1: creators out there talking about it, more people who know McKenzie,
23:39
Speaker 1: her cell mates, there's jail house recordings, so much information
23:43
Speaker 1: out there that we need to talk about McKenzie a
23:45
Speaker 1: little bit more. So just to do a little background
23:48
Speaker 1: in case you don't know McKenzie. Sherilla was convicted in
23:51
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three for the twenty twenty two deaths of
23:55
Speaker 1: her boyfriend Dominic Russo and his friend Davion Flanagains. Cocuters
24:00
Speaker 1: argued she intentionally accelerated her car and drove into a
24:04
Speaker 1: wall at nearly one hundred miles per hour, and this
24:07
Speaker 1: occurred in Strongsville, Ohio, killing both of her passengers. She
24:12
Speaker 1: was seventeen at the time and was tried as an adult.
24:14
Speaker 1: A judge found her guilty of murder and sentenced her
24:18
Speaker 1: to life in prison with the earliest parole eligibility in
24:21
Speaker 1: twenty thirty seven. So let's talk about a little bit
24:24
Speaker 1: about her prison phone calls that have been coming out. So,
24:27
Speaker 1: in a recent prison phone call, she claims she's going
24:31
Speaker 1: to be a life coach after she's released. So, in
24:34
Speaker 1: a prison phone call obtained by TMZ, Sharrilla told her
24:37
Speaker 1: mother she wants to become a life coach when she's released.
24:40
Speaker 2: First of all, wait what.
24:43
Speaker 1: I said it twice there? Yeah, it's not resonating.
24:48
Speaker 2: She has a better shot at being a hairstylist she
24:51
Speaker 2: does a life coach.
24:53
Speaker 1: And also what kind of person is she.
24:56
Speaker 2: Going to go to? And then she's going to participate
24:57
Speaker 2: in driving school. Yes, she's going to be a I mean,
25:01
Speaker 2: where does it end. At least she has some dreams.
25:04
Speaker 1: She at least she has goals. I guess we'll just
25:06
Speaker 1: go with that. Her mother suggested she could use her
25:09
Speaker 1: experiences to help others, to which Sorilla responded, I'm gonna
25:14
Speaker 1: be a life coach and stuff. I'm just going to
25:16
Speaker 1: be everything. I'm gonna do everything.
25:18
Speaker 2: Is that how she said it too.
25:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly how she said it.
25:20
Speaker 2: She has like I'm going to do everything.
25:22
Speaker 1: I do everything. I'm gonna be everything. I'm gonna do everything.
25:24
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna be a life coach and stuff.
25:27
Speaker 1: You know what she really needs to do. She really
25:29
Speaker 1: needs to work on.
25:29
Speaker 2: Her grammar and jump off a cliff.
25:32
Speaker 1: Spanned her vocabulary while she's in prison. She needs to
25:35
Speaker 1: read books.
25:36
Speaker 2: Oh, there's a lot of things she needs to do
25:37
Speaker 2: in prison.
25:38
Speaker 1: Yeah.
25:39
Speaker 2: When she was not yet in jail, right, like they
25:42
Speaker 2: were kind of following her, but they didn't detain her yet,
25:45
Speaker 2: and she was like smoking pot, we driving while driving,
25:50
Speaker 2: and I assume she parties and drinks on it. Then
25:52
Speaker 2: you go to jail and it's all gone. What can't gone, Well,
25:55
Speaker 2: all your cravings. You can't drink, Yeah, can't smoke and
25:58
Speaker 2: do any other drugs, can't party, came to listen to music,
26:01
Speaker 2: probably like you can't do anything. Yeah, but I think
26:03
Speaker 2: she had but cold turkey.
26:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think she. I don't I'm not sure
26:08
Speaker 1: exactly where she's detained, but she seems to have. I mean,
26:12
Speaker 1: she's had a girlfriend in prison. She gets in trouble
26:14
Speaker 1: all the time. I mean they're having sexual activities.
26:18
Speaker 2: I say it though, like like with all prisoners they
26:20
Speaker 2: go to jail and all sin, it's like it's all
26:22
Speaker 2: cut off.
26:23
Speaker 1: Yeah.
26:23
Speaker 2: And if they are like hardcore users or something, I
26:27
Speaker 2: don't know. This just always crossing my mind as to
26:29
Speaker 2: like that's the punishment for them.
26:31
Speaker 1: Right In a jail cell obtained by TMZ On June first,
26:35
Speaker 1: Shrilla complained to her mother about boredom behind bars.
26:38
Speaker 2: See, she's very bored.
26:40
Speaker 1: She expressed frustration over limited commissary access. How am I
26:45
Speaker 1: going to make this one book stretch?
26:47
Speaker 2: Oh?
26:47
Speaker 1: I guess she does read An pushed her mother to
26:50
Speaker 1: figure out this iPad shit asap so she could stay
26:53
Speaker 1: in touch with family and friends.
26:54
Speaker 2: I don't get that they have iPads. Yeah, and they
26:58
Speaker 2: just chat.
27:00
Speaker 1: Yeah. At one point, she was complaining about the time,
27:02
Speaker 1: saying it's only three thirty? How was it only three thirty?
27:05
Speaker 1: When her mother suggested getting a prison job to pass
27:08
Speaker 1: the time, that's probably the only time or.
27:10
Speaker 2: Why she fell some job applications.
27:12
Speaker 1: Make Useful suggested that she get a job.
27:15
Speaker 2: Ever, I know, the first time my mom told me
27:17
Speaker 2: get a job was when I was in prison.
27:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, because we know she wasn't working before. She
27:22
Speaker 1: was an influencer right.
27:23
Speaker 2: With her boyfriends influencer.
27:25
Speaker 1: So when her mother suggested getting a prison job to
27:27
Speaker 1: pass the time, Sherilla said she'd been told her charges
27:31
Speaker 1: likely disqualified her, though she did admit she hadn't actually
27:34
Speaker 1: confirmed it with staff, adding that they're probably not going
27:37
Speaker 1: to let me get a job. She said she was
27:39
Speaker 1: also so irritated and just wanted more books or cards
27:42
Speaker 1: to keep busy. I know she also gets makeup and
27:45
Speaker 1: stuff from her mom in prison. I'm not sure how
27:47
Speaker 1: that works with that, but she does. I know some
27:49
Speaker 1: of her prison cellmates. Have you been out there talking
27:53
Speaker 1: and you know everyone's jumping on the McKenzie Sherrilla bandwagon.
27:57
Speaker 1: Anyone that knows her is out there talking about it
28:00
Speaker 1: right well, in a certain sense, yes, Mackenzie's mom calls
28:05
Speaker 1: dominic Russo's family evil and another jail cell call obtained
28:10
Speaker 1: by TMZ Natalie Sharrilla this is the mom directed heartless
28:13
Speaker 1: words at dominic Russo's family while she and her daughter
28:16
Speaker 1: discussed testimony from Mackenzie's murder trial. Natalie told her daughter
28:21
Speaker 1: that dom would be beside his fricking self, over what
28:24
Speaker 1: was said in court, and when Mackenzie asked why Dom's
28:27
Speaker 1: brother Angelo was such an effing liar, her mother replied,
28:32
Speaker 1: they're just evil people. Baby, I'm sorry, don't think on it.
28:35
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine the audacity of telling your
28:39
Speaker 1: daughter that the victims that she killed in a car
28:41
Speaker 1: crash are evil people?
28:45
Speaker 2: They cut off the ties with the mom. They'd be like,
28:47
Speaker 2: you're using this privilege here, you know, worsening, You're feeding
28:51
Speaker 2: the beast.
28:52
Speaker 1: They're also I'm sure you've seen this because this is
28:54
Speaker 1: all over. She also speaks in like a pig Latin
28:57
Speaker 1: with her mom.
28:58
Speaker 2: Well I know that because you told me, but I don't.
29:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's where they think that they're so clever.
29:05
Speaker 2: They can decipher it.
29:06
Speaker 1: You can decipher it, right. She also did that in
29:08
Speaker 1: front of a prosecutor. Or not a prosecutor. She did
29:10
Speaker 1: that in front of an investigator when they detained her
29:12
Speaker 1: and they were questioning her, I believe, right in front
29:15
Speaker 1: of the investigator, she was speaking whatever this this language
29:18
Speaker 1: is with her mom and she said, can I just
29:22
Speaker 1: tell them that I passed out? When she was talking
29:24
Speaker 1: about like the car crash and why she was driving
29:26
Speaker 1: one hundred miles an hour. But they decoded that they knew.
29:29
Speaker 1: They now know that she was saying, can I just
29:31
Speaker 1: lie to this guy?
29:32
Speaker 2: And you know which means she did not pass out.
29:36
Speaker 1: Exactly, It's exactly what it means. McKenzie's also had thirty
29:39
Speaker 1: six conduct reports so far. Here are just some of
29:42
Speaker 1: her most recent. It's a consensual sexual conduct, being out
29:47
Speaker 1: of place, encouraging or creating a disturbance, being out of place,
29:50
Speaker 1: sexual harassment, disturbance, misuse of authorized medication.
29:55
Speaker 2: Dur possession of contraband, disturbance, being out of place, being
30:00
Speaker 2: out of place, being out of place, disturbance.
30:03
Speaker 1: Basically, she doesn't follow rules at all. Hell, and you
30:06
Speaker 1: know what I was thinking of. Remember when we long
30:08
Speaker 1: time back in the beginning we first did episodes, we
30:10
Speaker 1: were talking. We followed Menindez obviously, and we followed them
30:13
Speaker 1: all the way to the point where they went to
30:16
Speaker 1: their parole hearing, and we were anticipating whether they were
30:19
Speaker 1: going to get out on parole or not. And do
30:21
Speaker 1: you remember that they did not? Especially it was not
30:25
Speaker 1: Eric was the other one Lyle How they talked about
30:28
Speaker 1: how he wasn't going to get out on parole because
30:30
Speaker 1: he couldn't follow rules because he had a cell phone,
30:34
Speaker 1: and that was the reason why he couldn't get out
30:35
Speaker 1: on parole. This girl, I mean, she's up for parole
30:38
Speaker 1: in twenty thirty seven, which isn't that too far.
30:42
Speaker 2: Off, but it remind me again she was a minor
30:44
Speaker 2: when she committed the crime.
30:45
Speaker 1: Right, seventeen and eighteen when she went to.
30:48
Speaker 2: As an adult.
30:49
Speaker 1: Right. Yes, but I'm just saying this so far, she
30:52
Speaker 1: hasn't even been in prison that long. She's already has
30:54
Speaker 1: thirty six instractions.
30:56
Speaker 2: Own her. She's a great kid, don't worry about it.
30:57
Speaker 1: Well, and everybody else is evil and do whatever you want.
31:00
Speaker 2: Right.
31:01
Speaker 1: Also, Mackenzie Sharilla has a sister that no one knew about.
31:04
Speaker 1: I did not know that. I assumed she was an
31:06
Speaker 1: only child. Well, and not only just because they don't
31:09
Speaker 1: show any siblings in the documentaries. They don't make reference
31:13
Speaker 1: to siblings. You don't see a sibling in.
31:14
Speaker 2: Cause it's a younger sibling, might be no.
31:17
Speaker 1: An older sister. I just find it interesting that Danny
31:20
Speaker 1: Sharilla is Mackenzie's older sister, and she did not participate
31:24
Speaker 1: in the Netflix documentary and has not spoken publicly about
31:27
Speaker 1: her sister. She probably is hiding and changed her identity
31:31
Speaker 1: and now wears a wig if she's assaulted.
31:33
Speaker 2: Every time her mom disciplines her, she's like, really, really,
31:37
Speaker 2: you're going to say that to me when you're sending
31:39
Speaker 2: you won't buy me makeup or you're going to buy
31:41
Speaker 2: McKenzie makeup.
31:42
Speaker 1: At prison Internet sluice discovered Danny's identity. This is the
31:46
Speaker 1: older sister because Natalie, the mom, was telling Mackenzie and
31:49
Speaker 1: a jail cell call that she and the dad took
31:52
Speaker 1: Danny's bed frame away because she was hiding food under
31:56
Speaker 1: her bed.
31:58
Speaker 2: Kids do that? Oh, yes, our kids don't hide food
32:01
Speaker 2: in the red They had rappers under their bed.
32:04
Speaker 1: Yah, Annabelle's a big rapper rider. We find that everywhere. Yeah,
32:08
Speaker 1: But do you think that they discipline this older child?
32:11
Speaker 1: And then McKenzie was just the upper one, so she
32:13
Speaker 1: was just.
32:13
Speaker 2: They were like whatever you want to know.
32:16
Speaker 1: Many people are shocked that Natalie and Dave reprimanded this
32:19
Speaker 1: daughter at all, considering that they have never punished Mackenzie
32:22
Speaker 1: for any of her behavior. This kid's just trying to eat, right,
32:26
Speaker 1: She's just like eating. They take her bed frame away
32:28
Speaker 1: while McKenzie's McKenzie's out smoking pot and driving driving vehicles
32:34
Speaker 1: around and they know about it, and they don't do
32:36
Speaker 1: anything about it. You know. I also saw an interview
32:39
Speaker 1: with the dad, you know, McKenzie's dad, where he claims
32:44
Speaker 1: that the only reason Mackenzie is in jail is because
32:47
Speaker 1: dominic Russo's family, I guess is well known in Strongsville
32:51
Speaker 1: or has some connections in Strongsville. So he made it
32:54
Speaker 1: like that's the only reason that she's in jail because
32:57
Speaker 1: they have some kind of influence, Not that she killed
33:00
Speaker 1: to people, not that she drove a car one hundred
33:02
Speaker 1: miles an hour into.
33:03
Speaker 2: A wall, not that she's a psycho, just.
33:06
Speaker 1: Because Dominick's family has some type of influence.
33:10
Speaker 2: Also just as last thing I influence to enforce the
33:13
Speaker 2: law of murder.
33:15
Speaker 1: Right, Also just the last thing I want to touch
33:17
Speaker 1: on with Mackenzie. Sherrilla, Dominic Russo's sister, her name's Christine,
33:21
Speaker 1: is pushing to modernize Ohio's Son of Sam law, arguing
33:25
Speaker 1: that it's too outdated to address how convicted criminals can
33:29
Speaker 1: now profit through social media. The law was named after
33:32
Speaker 1: serial killer David Berkowitz, and it was designed to prevent
33:36
Speaker 1: violent criminals from financially benefiting from their crimes, but most
33:40
Speaker 1: state statutes were written before platforms like TikTok, YouTube, and
33:44
Speaker 1: podcasts existed. Christine says Sharrilla has gained followers and donations
33:50
Speaker 1: linked to her notoriety, including attention from the Netflix documentary
33:53
Speaker 1: The Crash. Christina, this is we're talking about. Dom's sister.
33:57
Speaker 1: Christina says that no victims family should have to watch
34:00
Speaker 1: the person who killed their loved one turn that crime
34:02
Speaker 1: into followers, donations, sponsorships, documentaries, social media income, or any
34:07
Speaker 1: other type of person.
34:08
Speaker 2: In your face all the time too.
34:10
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, you know when we talk about laws
34:12
Speaker 1: and things evolving, that son of Sam law is a
34:15
Speaker 1: really good law. But it does not It needs to
34:17
Speaker 1: be expanded because now people don't make money. Well, I
34:21
Speaker 1: mean you can, you can write a book, but it's
34:23
Speaker 1: very outdated. Now people are making money from having followers
34:25
Speaker 1: and social media.
34:26
Speaker 2: They So you're saying the language doesn't account for the modern.
34:30
Speaker 1: Way, No, it doesn't. It doesn't cover.
34:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, it should be like if you're a murder, you
34:34
Speaker 2: can't have an Instagram account.
34:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you shouldn't be able to get donations and
34:37
Speaker 1: you should.
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Speaker 2: Or a phone or a tablet in prison. But then
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Speaker 2: the mom could just have it right on her behalf
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Speaker 2: and making money. What's she promoting? She's not making any
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Speaker 2: money off Instagram?
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Speaker 1: Well, nobody thinks she's getting donations, Like there's people feel
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Speaker 1: badly for her and donates, and she gets followers and
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Speaker 1: she gets attention.
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Speaker 2: And it's also case always with male murders too. They're
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Speaker 2: in jail, and then they have women that well, if
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Speaker 2: they're good.
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Speaker 1: Looking, they have to be good looking. They can't be
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Speaker 1: ugly male murderers. They have to be like Wade Wilson.
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Speaker 1: They have to be charming and handsome, and then they
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Speaker 1: get money. Yeah, well, like Ted Bundy, he was good looking.
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Speaker 1: All those women were interested in Ted Bundy and Wade Wilson.
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Speaker 2: Was Richard Ramirez good looking?
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Speaker 1: There were people that thought that, did they people reach
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Speaker 1: out to Richard what's his name?
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Speaker 2: Richard married? Oh he got married?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you're right. Maybe there's this crazy women
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Speaker 1: out there. They don't even have to be good looking.
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Speaker 2: It's funny that the only thing you had to attribute
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Speaker 2: to like falling in love with someone was their looks,
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Speaker 2: Like you were saying that looks Trump murder. As long
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Speaker 2: as he looks good, he's gonna have women.
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Speaker 1: No, I wasn't you said it, No, okay, I was
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Speaker 1: just saying you said it. Those handsome murderers, So I.
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Speaker 2: Better not plan on going to jail because I won't
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Speaker 2: having anyone write me letters.
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Speaker 1: Write you letters.
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Speaker 2: Okay, despite my looks, you'll write me letters.
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Speaker 1: I find you very handsome. Christine's online petition Dom's law
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Speaker 1: victims before inflow answers modernizing the Son of Sam law
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Speaker 1: has surpassed one hundred and thirty thousand signatures. Other high
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Speaker 1: profile cases have prompted similar efforts elsewhere. Idaho updated its
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Speaker 1: statute amid concerns about figures like Brian Coburger and Lori Valo,
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Speaker 1: and New York lawmakers propose expanding their law after reports
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Speaker 1: that the wife of the Gilgo Beach serial killer, Rex Hureman,
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Speaker 1: had signed a documentary deal. See that's another question. How
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Speaker 1: far does it go?
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Speaker 2: I was, I didn't know they could make money. I
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Speaker 2: knew they couldn't make money off the crime, but I
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Speaker 2: didn't realize like there was kind of ways around it
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Speaker 2: like this. Well then, but my career, a family can
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Speaker 2: make money.
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Speaker 1: But that's my question, how how how far do you
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Speaker 1: expand it? Is it rex Huerman can't make money off
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Speaker 1: of it because he's a serial killer? Or is it
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Speaker 1: rex Huerman and his kids and his wife?
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Speaker 2: But then, but then if the family couldn't benefit from it,
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Speaker 2: then you never have the documentaries the same and you
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Speaker 2: will you never have awareness and we won't do a podcast.
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Speaker 2: So does kind of you know?
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Speaker 1: Well that's my question. So do you think it should
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Speaker 1: pertain to just the person who committed the crime, because
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Speaker 1: how do you make it pertain to everyone connected, like
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Speaker 1: everyone connected to Mackenzie Sherrilla or everyone connected?
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I mean I have other questions
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Speaker 2: like why why can't you send her makeup? Like it
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Speaker 2: should be, Oh, you murdered someone, Okay, you go to
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Speaker 2: jail and you stay here and you wait, yeah, until
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Speaker 2: it's time to leave. It's not like, oh, sorry for
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Speaker 2: the inconvenience. Okay, you can have your parents send you
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Speaker 2: stuff and you can have money in an account. I
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Speaker 2: was like, what, I.
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Speaker 1: Want to know if there's anyone out there that works
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Speaker 1: where McKenzie is detained my Ohio, people out there.
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Speaker 2: Is currently serving time with Mackenzie.
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Speaker 1: Or it's currently serving time with Mackenzie or has worked
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Speaker 1: in just the prison system. Can you please explain to
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Speaker 1: us why she gets makeup and hair products and I
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Speaker 1: don't know what else she gets in the mail to
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Speaker 1: make she had to have hair products to get her
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Speaker 1: hair in that bund. She needed some hairspray, so, I
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Speaker 1: don't know.
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Speaker 2: It looked like she had something in the bun, like
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Speaker 2: what like a red solo cup or something to make
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Speaker 2: it like stand up that high. Isn't that what people do?
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Speaker 2: They put you put something in the buddy. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: they's like to puff it up. Yes, so that's what
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Speaker 2: she did. I don't know, a bump it put a bumpet.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, maybe, but yeah, that's what they do.
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Speaker 1: Like with sheer hair and dance here, they want to
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Speaker 1: make like their hair high. They put a bump it
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