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Lesley Groff And The Transcript From Her Epstein Related Trip to Congress (Part 5) (7/4/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick up where
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  we left off with Leslie Groff and the transcripts from
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  her interview with Congress mister Biggs. Thank you, Thank you
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  very much. I don't want this to be tedious, but
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  I just really feel like we need to explore this.
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  We'recalling the database that you use to make calls to
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  set these appointments and looking at that list in the
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  exhibit that you have before you, now, do they seem
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  at least similar to you? I mean, do you recognize
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  some of the names, numbers, et cetera. Groff, most of
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  them are redacted, Biggs, most of the New York ones
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  are redacted. Graff are redacted? Right. I recognize Don as
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  Don Wicks and pom Beach. Biggs. Pom Beach, he's in Florida, Graff, Yes, Biggs?
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  Any others Graff, No, Biggs. Let's explore that for a second.
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  Don w R has three numbers and three descriptions by them.
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  One is B, one is W, one is H. I
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  don't want to assume something, but what do those mean? Groff?
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  I would think work home. I don't know what be
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  means Bigs business, perhaps Groff business, Biggs, which raises this
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  odd question. I mean you had her home number, you
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  had her work number and her business number. Did that
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  strike you as odd that she had multiple apparently multiple
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  numbers would come. You've got to let him finish the question, Biggs. Yeah,
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  through multiple places you can go there, Groff. It did
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  not strike me as strange. Biggs was down a regular
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  of his grof. She had, she had her husband and
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  a medical spa. Her husband was a chiropractor, and I
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  know mister Epstein went to her spa. Biggs. Let's go
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  back to the front page because this is something this
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  is unredacted. And I don't know if you said that
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  you made some maybe you made some of the appointments
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  in California. Did I understand that right? Graf? It's possible
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  he didn't go to California very often. Biggs. Looking at
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  the perhaps you looked at it. Then as you go
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  down the list, particularly in the second row, the second column,
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  I should say, gypsy has a phone number. Gypsy has
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  a phone number. Another gypsy has a phone number. Mister Graff, Oh, yes, Biggs,
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  sports connection has a phone number. And then looking at those.
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  Did you see those? Then? Just to clarify that, Graf,
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  it's possible, Biggs. Would it strike you as odd that
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  there's no name? It's just gypsy, mister Graff. Gypsy was
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  the mel massuse, Mister Biggs, there's multiple Gypsies on here, Graf,
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  it was it was his name, that's what we called them.
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  And they're talking about Gypsy Gida, that's who they're talking about,
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  the so called guru. Yeah, him, mister Biggs. Well, there's
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  another one name to redacted and the descriptor here is
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  one of gypsy. What does that mean? GoF Oh? I
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  don't know, Biggs. I mean, I don't want to suppose,
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  but I mean there's some supposition we could make. You
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  didn't find that curious. Perhaps let's go to the UK
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  massage list for a second. You have a number, you've
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  got some redactions there. What's not redacted is Los Angeles.
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  What might that mean? Did you see that? It's the
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  second column, I'm sorry, last one of the redacted in
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  the massage UK. Graf, Oh, I don't know, Biggs. The
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  one above it says Amsterdam Groff. I don't know, Biggs.
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  Jean Luke Bim Graf Jean Luke Biggs, do you know
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  who John Luke Bim is? Graf. I don't know, Biggs.
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  I'm going to stop there. Well, I'm not going to
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  stop there. I'm going to ask another question, but then
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  I'll stop. And that is as you think back now,
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  looking back now from this vantage point that you're in now,
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  and you had a database on the computer, you have
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  this black book that you add access to as well.
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  Did any of that strike you as odd that mister
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  Epstein was keeping literally by my account, well over fifty
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  or seventy five different discrete names in various massage calls
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  from all over the world vs. A V. Whatever he
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  had in the database. Did that strike you as odd
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  at all? Grof? Does it strike me as odd now? Biggs? Yeah,
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  looking back, Grof, he had so many people in his
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  realm and knew so many people. It doesn't strike me
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  as odd that he had a lot of different people
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  in his black book, in his directory. It's not surprising
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  within the depth of the people that he knew. This
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  is one category. But I believe he had the same
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  amount of people in other categories as well, Biggs, But
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  in particular with the massage category, all over the world.
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  That didn't strike you as odd that, for instance, in California,
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  he maintained the names of twenty six different messuses. Groth.
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  I mean he was very wealthy, and he knew a
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  lot of people, and when he went to any time
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  he met anyone, he'd put them in the directory. It
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  could be a passing Biggs. He must have been a
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  prolific massage receiver. Thank you, Thank you. Emmer. We've had
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  another member of Congress join us. Can he please identify himself?
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  Resent Tenative Scott Perry, Pennsylvania's tenth district. Emmer, we've also
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  had an additional staff member or members joined since we started.
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  Can they identify themselves? Mister Emmer? Thank you both. Redacted. Toland,
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  recognizing we only have a couple minutes left in our hour,
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  go ahead, Emmer. We've had another member join. Can you
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  please identify yourself for the record, James Walkinshaw, eleventh District, Virginia,
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  Miss Tolan. Question, Recognizing we only have a little bit
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  of time, I'm going to ask you a few quick questions.
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  Did you ever witness mister Abstein have sexual contact of
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  any kind with any other young woman or girl? Answer
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  no question. Did you ever witness miss Maxwell have sexual
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  contact of any kind with any other young woman or girl?
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  Answer no question. Did you ever witness mister Abstein abuse
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  or assault any young woman or a girl? Answer no question.
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  Did any young woman or a girl ever tell you
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  that mister Abstein or anyone else abuse, used or assaulted them?
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  Answer no question. Did you ever witness mister Ebstein exploit
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  any young woman or girls? Answer no question. Did you
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  ever witness miss Maxwell exploit any young women or girls?
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  Answer no question. Did you ever witness any other individual
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  aside from mister Ebstein abuse or assault any young women
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  or girls? Answer no question. I'm going to ask you
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  a list of names for the same question. Did you
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  ever witness any of the following individuals abuse or assault
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  any young women or girls? Frederick Focai answer no. Philip
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  Levine answer no, Les Wexner answer no, Leon Black answer no,
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  Bill Gates answer no. Jess Staley answer no. Andrew Mountbatten
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  Windsor answer no, Harvey Weinstein no, Terry Larson no, Tommy
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  Mottola no, George Mitchell no, Henry Jureki no, Eduardo TiO
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  Dorani no, Glenn Dubin no, Lapo Elkin no I don't
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  know who that is. Question Tom Pritzker, Answer no, David Mitchell,
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  no question. Did you ever hear any allegations about any
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  of these men? Answer no, mister Timmins, real quick. From
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  twenty thirteen until you left, the majority of that time,
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  there were eight twenty to thirty five year old women
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  that were in the house with them at all times.
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  What do you think they did? What was their job? Like?
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  They were just around? Graff, you're referring to Timmins. I've
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  got redacted, redacted or redacted, redacted or redacted, redacted and redacted?
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  What did they do? So they were around for years, Graff,
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  they were Timmins, and you ran their lives, Graff. I
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  did not run their lives, Timmins. Did you control when
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  they got a haircut? Graf? I did not control when
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  they got a haircut? Timmins. We got an email. We'll
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  get to that in a minute. But so, I mean,
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  they say that their credit cards were controlled by Epstein,
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  by you, Kahn Endyken redacted, They had loans taken out
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  in their names, their apartments were at the behest of Epstein,
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  and they say that you were largely responsible for managing
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  that their computers, their phones, their flights, their hotels, all
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  their travel, all of their life was run by Epstein.
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  What do you think those humans were doing during that time?
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  Why did they exist in the world, Grof. I believe
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  them to be traveling assistants, and none of them ever
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  looked unhappy or under duress. They would travel with them
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  and do errands and source things. They were not all
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  together all the time with them. It was a demanding
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  job to travel with them. It would appear to me
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  to have to leave given twelve hours notice, Hey, we're
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  going upon beach tomorrow. To me, it would be grueling
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  to ask one person to do that all the time.
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  I think they would get burnt out, and so we
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  would take one or two with them, but they would
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  get them coffee. They would go out and get them
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  a burger. It was an assistant chore type of position, Timmins.
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  They all just happened to be fairly beautiful and similar age. Groth.
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  I think that in order to be a travel assistant,
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  it seems consistent that you would have someone who's in
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  their twenties or early thirties, not married. It made sense
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  as that seems typical to me. Timmins In retrospect. Do
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  you appreciate that they feel like they were victims of
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  sex and human trafficking and we're being controlled by Epstein
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  every part of their life? Groff in retrospect, in hindsight.
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  In hindsight, it's terrible. I can't imagine what they were
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  going through. It's amazing to me that they were able
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  to put on such a good affront and seem happy
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  it was. It's hard. It's hard for me to fathom.
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  She's victim blaming. That's what Graff is doing. She doesn't
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  feel any remorse, she doesn't think she did anything wrong.
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  That's what it comes down to. Tolin. Question, Ms Groff,
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  I recognize that we are at time for our hour,
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  but I just have three very quick questions to end on.
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  Do you have any direct knowledge of mister Epstein ever
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  engaging in sexual relations with any of his assistants? Answer
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  no question. Did you ever win bodiness mister Epstein receive
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  a massage from young women or girls? Answer no question.
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  Did you ever receive a massage from anyone associated with
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  mister Epstein? Answer I went to a spot one time,
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  not associated with them. Miss Tolin, thank you. We will
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  end our hour and go off record misredacted. Good morning,
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  miss Groff. My name is misredacted, and I'll be doing
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  most of the questioning for the minority today. I'm going
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  to cover some of the same topics that the majority
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  covered with you in the previous round. This is not
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  to make you repeat yourself, but rather to make sure
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  what we have is a clear record as possible. I
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  appreciate your patience while I do that. In addition to
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  the extent of any of my questions, where any of
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  your answers involve survivor names or other survivor identifying information,
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  I ask on behalf of the minority that the majority
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  redacts the information prior to releasing the transcript publicly. Question
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  Ms Groff, I'd like to start with your work from
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  mister Epstein. Started work for him in two thousand and one.
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  Correct answer, yes question, and you were thirty five years
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  old at that point. Answer yes question. Your title was
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  executive secretary. Correct answer, yes question, and you were paid
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  fifty thousand dollars correct answer, yes question. You talk a
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  little bit about your role and responsibilities and also about
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  the people that you work with. Can you say more
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  about the other assistants that mister Epstein had in your
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  relationship to them? Answer sure. In the office, there was
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  an assistant to miss Maxwell, there was an assistant to
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  the two attorneys. There was when I first started a
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  traveling assistant. There was another assistant there. She was only
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  there briefly. And we had a receptionist I replaced redacted.
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  She was mister Epstein's assistant, and then I replaced her,
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  so then redacted became the receptionist. Question did you at
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  any point manage any of those assistants? Answer no question?
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  So you never had your own team of assistants? Answer
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  no question. How did you fit in within the larger operation?
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  So you mentioned earlier Darren Endyke. Also there was Richard Kahn.
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  Would they have ever asked you to do anything? Would
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  Glen Maxwell ever ask you to do anything? Or did
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  you only respond to mister Epstein. Answer it was mister
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  Epstein purely. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up
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  right here and in the next episode dealing with the topic,
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  We're going to pick up where we left off. All
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  the information that goes with this episode can be found
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