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Talks to James Lark about his choice of The Ark (3/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt pen knife they're doing.
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  Quicker, quicker. Welcome back to a hamster with a
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  blunt Pen knife, The Monoid Commentary podcast, where as of
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  about 1 minutes time we will only speaking mime, so we hope
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  you enjoy the show. I believe Monoid.
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  Hang on, hang on, hang on. I've just invented this this
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  collar thing that as long as your collar is switched on, you
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  should in fact be able to make some sort of speech sound.
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  That's the Megarians, isn't it? Before the Megarians, the
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  monoids got got there first. That's hardly a denial.
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  Simply a bromide, you might say. Yes, I wonder how many monoids
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  will spot who may be murderers because they or may not be who
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  they're claiming to be because they don't turn their
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  translators on. Is it, you know, it's state of
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  decay, You know when they suggest that over time, You
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  know, what's it called? The law of continental shift,
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  How things change over time? Yes.
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  Can you get sort of considerably more stupid over time?
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  Because that seems to be what's happened in 700 years, sort of
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  Monoids, even though they've taken over and they have brute
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  strength on their side, they're all a bit thick now.
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  Well, yeah, I I expect that probably 700 years cooped up in
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  a spaceship, you can get a bit stupid.
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  Can we put a a political spin on this?
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  Is it making a statement about rampant nationalism making you
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  thick? Where are we 700 years ago?
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  James 2025 that takes us. 1314 I wasn't there. 1425 What was
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  happening then? 1425 it's the dark ages.
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  Oh, just no one knows. Is that the dark age?
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  I don't it's I'm afraid that's that's a that's a part of
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  history I. Don't really know very much that
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  we have gone stupider and more reactive, you know.
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  What on this podcast? Oh, no, sort of.
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  In England, Yeah, when I remind you, it would have been heavily
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  religious. Well, look, look, look, go on.
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  Let's given that I'm saying that there is a an admittedly
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  generous interpretation of this as having a sum something
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  interesting to say politically and it's clearly got a message
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  and I think this is undeniable. It's got a message about it's
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  better to to work together. Unity don't treat people like
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  shit. So then so you're talking about
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  this book. OK, so, so, but as as a part of
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  that, that viewpoint, if you're, if you're saying that
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  everything's better when races work together, you know, monoid
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  and human and refusing whatever, then then as part of that, then
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  maybe you are saying that going it alone and trying to put
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  yourself at the top of our hierarchy purely based on
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  something as as simplistic as race and and therefore cutting
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  out swathes of people from your worldview is a stupid worldview.
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  And so maybe that's why the Monoids is that tenuous.
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  Bravo, Sir. May I ask, Sir?
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  I mean, I'm convinced, but then I usually just nod and smile at
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  most of the things you say. I.
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  Mean look because because I'm I'm standing by the the idea
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  that the general outlook of this however, compromised the
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  realization and however unsophisticated the right here.
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  I think that Ericsson is trying to say that we are enriched by
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  having more people contributing to our culture.
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  And so the monoids have, by cutting out all of the everyone,
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  everyone else from their worldview have become a very
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  limited race. Now, I don't think that's
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  deliberate at all. I think it's just poor writing.
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  But we, we can. We can make excuses for it.
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  I feel we may have reached the peak of this podcast now,
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  wherein within this commentary, you know, an extremely smart and
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  sophisticated man has made an argument for Doctor Who
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  commenting on the the, you know, the moral right of unity in in
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  the universe, but in. Doing so has used the words
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  monoid, refusian, and humans. I mean, this podcast brings me
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  such joy. I mean, yes, also no Should we
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  watch an episode? Let's.
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  Watch an episode and it's going to have daring do with silly
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  monoids and flappy feet and security kitchens.
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  Is. This the episode where?
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  She says. What are you up to?
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  Are you planning something? And the monoid goes no, no I'm
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  not. Is that this?
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  Episode is that episode. Four.
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  I can't remember. They slightly roll into one at
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  this point. I mean, he is so stupid that
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  more like, well, OK, come on, you count us in.
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  And I'm going to keep keep a close eye on these political
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  machinations. See if you're accurate.
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  Or not. So we're going to start what's
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  episode 3 called? We're about to find out.
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  Mystery episode will begin in 321.
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  Is there more fun? Doing this in person?
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  Oh dear. I should be sad.
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  When you're 2D. Again, you know, OK, here we go.
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  Now I think it's called. No, I have no idea what this
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  episode's called 700 years later.
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  No, I'd remember that. It's a better episode than that.
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  What's what's it called? The the the final episode's
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  called the bomb, right? The bomb.
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  That sounds very exciting. Oh, I think we're not.
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  Going to see the title now until.
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  Until the. That's a new shot that wasn't in
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  the last one, was it? Looking down at the Yeah.
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  We shot that, but the model shot remains the same.
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  And you can see right up that. No you can't.
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  I'm sure they have the return. 700 years later.
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  Probably the return is not not the most exciting.
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  Well, now I'll say the Steel Sky is especially impressive in that
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  model shot. It's disquieting.
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  Obviously now we're in a different context, but but
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  coming so soon after that shot of the earth burning, it's a
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  culmination of quite disquieting images, isn't it?
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  Yes. What the statue having a monoid
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  head do you mean? Why can't a monoid be a top of
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  the totem? Pole that's well, that is a
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  really good question. That's a an interesting question
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  because actually there's there's nothing per SE that should
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  bother us about the monoids being.
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  Recommended just elected, you know, obviously they would have
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  called him centrist, the monoid that they're.
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  All called Charles or. Or maybe they just call
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  themselves monoid 1 and monoid 2 is that?
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  The Folian web I can see there or the Great Galactic Map.
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  So hang on, are we, what segment of time are we in now then 700
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  years later about that, that's what the 45th segment of time?
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  Lance Barking has probably worked today.
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  Oh, you. Bitch.
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  Yeah, well, I've got all 5 volumes in there.
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  Well, you can look. It up, I will too it.
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  Should be 1 of. The latest, it'll be in the last
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  volume. Yeah, that's.
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  Right. Oh, do you see that scream wipe
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  there? Very Star Wars, yes.
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  George Lucas was watching this. OK, they're all stored in
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  microform. Oh, hello.
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  One of the Guardians is handing out a dream.
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  They are still wearing those costumes.
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  They've weathered very well. Oh oh.
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  Who is this hand? Is it the?
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  Borat gesturing off screen there.
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  Now at this point, I am reminded of the reason why the monoids
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  are quite disturbing. It's because they all have Ann
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  Widdecombe's hairstyle. Then they all begin to behave
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  like Ann Widdecombe in this episode.
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  And you notice how they waddle about the forest set.
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  Like. Ann Widdecombe, like she did on
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  the Strictly Dance. Too much like dance floor.
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  Shame they don't get dragged about like she did that time
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  when she buffed up the floor. Do you remember?
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  Are you dressed up like a? Canary or something?
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  Yeah, they might as well address you like a.
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  Mono, I feel like they might have ironed the back cloth
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  actually. It looks a bit cleaner this time
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  around, yeah. Monoid too.
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  And he's armed with a gun, which sort of spits out.
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  Oh, look, no, he's got his. He's got his translator.
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  They all sort of sound like that.
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  They all. Sort of sound.
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  Like that. We should have thought about
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  this James and done the entire commentary like monoids.
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  It would have been a bit tedious.
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  Should you be monoid one or monoid 2?
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  Oh, I defer to you, so I'll be numbered.
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  I mean, this is where it, this is where the the good intentions
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  just fall flat because if you are setting out to show them as
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  a race that do have a culture and a civilisation and our
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  intelligence, don't just give them numbers.
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  Yeah. And well, no, And I mean, I
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  wouldn't exactly say the Guardians in one and two were
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  given much sophisticated character.
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  But they were called but. It's more than.
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  They all had different variations of the name Zentos.
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  Even with that funeral ritual, the monoids were shown to have
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  more of a culture than they are now, which is just brutes.
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  I mean, we don't even find out. Like, yeah, we find out that
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  they revolted because of how badly they were treated, but
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  there's no motive for why they want to stay in charge.
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  Why they you're like? Is it just because they don't
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  want it to happen again? I mean, it's but now they're
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  getting humans to to bring them wine and they get fancy chairs
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  with Laurel wreaths on. Come in, come on, just give them
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  a name. Monoy, Joe and Monoy, James.
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  Oh, they they found they've they've they've the Bonoys have
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  been to a car boot sale and found episode 2 of the Ark.
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  Oh. Forgotten.
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  We've already got that one. Couldn't they have found the
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  massacre? Good grief.
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  Although. It was a good.
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  Shot it's worth seeing. It was a good shot, worth seeing
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  again. But we have to see the whole.
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  Bit where it vanishes, yeah, I think it is, yeah.
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  See ya says Dodo OK I feel as if the storytelling is more
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  simplistic here as well like it's talking down a bit now
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  whereas in it one and two everything would move fast and
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  it was constantly throwing ideas you're.
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  Right. And the pace has dropped, hasn't
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  it? Yeah, I mean it does pick up a a
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  bit. It does.
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  When they go down, I'm. Standing by my theory, which is
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  that someone who doesn't really know how to write science
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  fiction is trying to write science fiction because it's
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  there's a lot of cliche suddenly.
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  How would you write it differently?
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  Where? Oh, really?
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  Wow. I wouldn't be doing that for a
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  start, I wouldn't be. Are they?
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  Telling us what we just watched in episode 2.
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  I wouldn't be recapping what's gone on.
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  Yes. Better one for us.
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  Clanky Dodo. You know, you said about some of
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  the eyes and the monoids. Monoid #1 looks constantly
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  shocked. Yeah.
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  So I'm going to try and buy a ping pong ball and put it in my
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  mouth and roll it about a bit. I think that's quite a hard
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  thing to do. Now that's a that is a
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  patronising idea. The idea that the monoids
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  couldn't take over until the humans had helped them to
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  develop voice boxes. The security kitchen.
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  Yes, now you are going to see some fine pill.
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  Spuds in a minute. Well, I mean, I can think of
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  worse places to keep what that enemy of the world where he's
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  kept in a corridor. I bet Gordon Ramsay has a
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  security kitchen and. What for his closely guarded
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  secrets? Oh I love this look.
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  He gives him some fruit. I think he slaps.
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  Him, doesn't he? How do they eat?
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  How do they eat? Oh, that's a good point.
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  You don't actually see it. Do you?
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  No. OK, OK, so these are new actors,
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  aren't they? Yeah, they're all new actors.
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  It's a whole new cast and that's that's correct because.
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  It's a very busy kitchen. You can see a lot of smoke
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  everywhere. You know, they're clearly
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  boiling lots of things. No, after 700 years it should be
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  a new cast. I just feel like if you've
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  established, people have been. Venusa.
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  Her name is Venusa. Venusa.
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  Yeah. See these exes, they're very
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  popular. I mean, don't you think that's
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  quite a smart idea? You know they can not only be
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  kept under guard, but also cook for them.
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  Yeah, you know, it makes I'm not look, the concept of a security
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  kitchen is is is a is a fine one.
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  But it just sounds very amusing. Mind you, you'd which I mean,
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  how confident would you feel eating the food prepared by
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  people who you'd were? Enslaving.
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  Well, quiet, but. Then that's what that's that's
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  exactly what happened in in the Empire.
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  So. If they dared to present me with
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  food I didn't like, I'd shoot them with my smoked gun.
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  Dear Stephen's. Trousers are.
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  Very tight and it's. Not very hygienic sleeping in
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  your security kitchen, is it? Wow.
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  No, but they want all the rooms for themselves.
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  You know, decadence. Hartnell's hands.
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  I've not strayed from his lapels.
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  How in space could you do it now?
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  That's what people will say when there's no longer an Earth.
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  That's right. Oh, that's quite clever,
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  actually. I mean, it's not.
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  It's very awkward. But yeah, you're right.
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  You know, maybe this is a right? Who's not very used to writing
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  science? He doesn't feel like he's in the
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  most comfortable. We will create.
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  Monoid world that sounds. Like a theme park.
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  These poor actors had to put monoid 3 on their CVS.
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  Jacqueline Rayner, can you? Draw up the.
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  Plans, please, for Monoid worlds.
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  Honestly, I'll build it. I'll fund it all right.
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  Well, there'll be a there'll be a kitchen, yeah.
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  What is this Roy Skelton doing? The voices?
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  I'm getting a sense of zippy. From Oh yeah, definitely very
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  much. That's that's Roy.
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  Actually, it's a bit more like George did you.
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  Who was your favorite character on Rainbow?
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  Can I just ask you quickly? It was.
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  Sippy, but why? Why did you not like Zippy?
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  I did like Zippy, but I look back and I kind of go, I look
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  back at a lot of the things I liked as a child and think that.
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  Was. Weird and freaky like Emu.
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  Oh, I used to love Emu. Have you seen any recently?
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  Well, no, I mean I like crock bags the best out of Emu, you
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  know, Didn't she have that weird crocodile that she hanged out
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  with? The sort of clockwork crocodile
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  and a tin Man A. Clockwork Crocodile.
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  Yeah, don't you remember? I don't remember that I can't.
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  Remember what his name was she used to hit him over the head
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  with. A broomstick it.
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  Was great. Oh, George was very cute.
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  What the hippo? Yeah, that makes you feel a bit
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  make it has you the EPO is. It the Dalek he is where he
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  Dalek's the Early Years tape where where he does that voice.
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  What the George voice I? Think so.
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  Or one. Or it's the Cyberman one where
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  Roy Skelton says, well, I can't say goodbye in my own voice.
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  I feel like I might be the zippy of podcasting.
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  You know. Who's my George?
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  Then who's my George? And As for Bungle, well, that.
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  'D be Fraser. Yeah, hairy.
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  Useless. Yeah, who can't understand a
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  word he says? Yeah.
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  Oh my God. You're Geoffrey who's keeping
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  you all in order. No one keeps me in order.
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  Good grief, who does the best job of keeping me in order?
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  Oh, I can't think actually. Oh, this is a very bad action
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  sequence. Yeah, yeah.
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  See it's. It has gone a bit.
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  Off the rails. Isn't it?
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  It feels like it's directed by someone else.
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  Have they, have they sacked him by now?
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  No, maybe this was the episode they went, oh, this ain't good
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  enough, He said. No, watch episode 1.
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  I did all the panning shots in episode 1.
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  But you did say this went over budget as well, didn't you?
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  It was quite expensive. I don't know.
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  Oh. Excuse me, this is where those
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  ribbons are not covering. Nearly enough.
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  God, they are where they are though.
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  Episode 1 came in at, I think, nearly double the usual cost of
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  an episode. But that's the elephant and the
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  and the jungle and and the. At least you can see it.
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  You can totally see it. And I think that's, I think
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  that's John Wyles saying let's. It's when something like the
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  Chase went over budget and you're like.
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  How like was Richard Martin off to Fortnum's after every single
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  YEAH with the rest of the money? OK, great.
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  It looks a bit like one of those telephone kiosks, doesn't it?
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  Yeah. What do you think they're making
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  in there? This would be a popcorn machine
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  or something like that. Oh, look at this that the.
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  Shuttle Bay. There's loads of little shuttles
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  in there now. Oh, the door comes down quick.
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  Before you realise it's a perspective backdrop.
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  OK, are we going down to refuses #2 anytime soon?
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  Why are you? Have you bought?
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  Have you tired of this? We've been in a spaceship, the
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  whole commentary, you know? They refer to each other by
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  numbers. It's not.
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  That's not good enough. Can we do that for Episode 4?
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  I'll be two you. Want to be two?
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  OK, I'll be 1. OK.
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  Oh, what's going on here? Oh, the shuttle will leave your
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  shuttle. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  That's quite nice. That's a nice shot, yeah.
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  I mean, I've seen worse. Why are they sending the doctor
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  and Dodo down? What's on the planet?
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  Or like Canaries you know that you send down.
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  Into a mine. Yeah, OK.
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  Yeah, but with one. Guard one guard, so that's fine.
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  There's nothing which. Number is HE2. 2.
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  No one likes him. 2 has gone down. 2 is the terrible gossip
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  he's been spreading all? Thoughts about worms?
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  So I said send him down with them, he can keep.
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  An eye on them. I love it.
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  I love Hartnall's professionalism.
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  He's like, OK, we've landed. OK, I think it might be the same
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  jungle from Part 1, you know? Do you think?
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  I think they've redressed it with some alien foliage and it's
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  got a different. Sort of, sort of a mountainous.
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  No, but look, it's got the, it's got the kind of fur furry stuff
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  on it. I think that is a perfectly
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  credible way of making the same set look like a.
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  Completely, absolutely love candy floss.
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  Don't you look at that tree. Actually, it reminds me of one
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  of those furry plants from Mission to the.
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  Unknown Varga plants. Yeah.
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  Oh, we're way beyond Varga plants.
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  No, no, they've got more. All the cotton wool installed
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  still so. Right, so now we've got
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  invisible aliens. So again, how?
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  Are we suggesting this? He's having a sit down look.
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  His arse must have been massive. I think he's going to play with
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  the leavers now. Oh, there we go.
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  He's worked out how to wear the doors.
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  OK, I mean, imagine watching this for that.
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  You're like, what the hell is going?
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  On. And we've got a voice saying.
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  Now this is where I wonder if Paul Edison is has stuffs a
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  couple too many sci-fi cliches into his already quite packed
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  script. We have had invisible people
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  just in the Dalits Master plan, yeah.
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  Very, very recently. What are these ones called?
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  The Refusian and. Refusians.
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  Also, is that anything to do with being invisible?
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  Refusing. Refusing to be seen.
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  Oh, well done. OK, how quickly do they?
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  Realise that there are. Invisible people here.
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  Oh, this is it it. It won't take.
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  As long as you might think, chica.
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  What do you mean? Are you up to something?
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  Oh, oh, someone's ever heard me. No.
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  You gave yourself away, didn't you, James?
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  I've got a. Feeling when the time comes
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  you're. Not going to finish.
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  This commentary on a haps world lump and knife.
• 21:50
  Oh, he. Figured that out quickly.
• 21:55
  Oh, is. This where he's found the
• 21:56
  fabulous palace. Look, they're.
• 21:58
  Invisible. Oh my God, it's some.
• 22:00
  Sort of Castle. Oh, it's some sort.
• 22:02
  Of minarets. And everything.
• 22:03
  Yeah, lovely. I love it when they go in.
• 22:08
  And to suggest elegance, there's a table and there is Roman
• 22:12
  columns. And.
• 22:18
  Are they being followed? Are we going to see a little?
• 22:20
  Oh yes. The foliage twitched slightly,
• 22:24
  but Harnell now. I mean the way he stands.
• 22:27
  In the room and has to chat with the Invisible Man.
• 22:31
  I mean, there's. Not a hint of embarrassment in.
• 22:33
  Him is there No, it's. Also this.
• 22:37
  Is this is fine? I think the.
• 22:42
  The most egregious thing about this episode is how the monoids
• 22:48
  are written because it just stretches credibility.
• 22:52
  I think that the second it comes down to the.
• 22:54
  Planet it picks up yeah, yeah, and and it's.
• 22:56
  Got that? Kind of.
• 23:00
  It's. It's got the kind of Voyage of
• 23:02
  the Dawn Treader vibe, hasn't it, where they're arriving at a
• 23:04
  new planet and they don't. I mean, that's got invisible
• 23:06
  people in one of the episodes, doesn't it?
• 23:08
  But it's it's, it's, it's doing, it's perfectly competent.
• 23:13
  I think it's not necessarily made.
• 23:17
  In a perfectly. Competent way and I as I say, I
• 23:19
  feel like the monoids being. What's he doing there?
• 23:24
  He's bashing up the place for no reason.
• 23:26
  Stop throwing the. Flowers around you idiot.
• 23:29
  Put that thing. Down.
• 23:31
  That's no way to establish friendship.
• 23:32
  There's Doctor. Who again, it's teaching
• 23:34
  diplomacy, but again. Is he making?
• 23:36
  A political point there, he says.
• 23:38
  The sooner they learn. To respect us, the better.
• 23:41
  You brute. I mean, they're so.
• 23:45
  Stupid. How did they ever take over?
• 23:50
  Oh, smash your balls if you don't show yourself.
• 23:53
  Yeah, but do you? Know what I've seen?
• 23:55
  Negotiation this cat handed from.
• 24:00
  Certain politicians in. The last few years.
• 24:03
  Oh, you know Boris. Johnson, do you, Theresa May and
• 24:07
  actually Speaking of. Hairstyles.
• 24:08
  This one. 'S very Boris Johnson.
• 24:12
  Especially have you seen him recently?
• 24:13
  I can't see it now. He's really let himself go.
• 24:15
  To seed. Has he gone full monoid?
• 24:17
  He's gone full monoid. That was quite.
• 24:20
  Nice. The way you put the flowers
• 24:22
  there in. Lovely.
• 24:22
  That's a nice effect. That gun is very subtle.
• 24:27
  You know, it's like a big Tulip. I don't like this because.
• 24:35
  Because they've got on scene. One is that monoid. 34.
• 24:40
  Oh my God, that's the monoid are there.
• 24:41
  That's the monoid equivalent of a red sweatshirt, isn't it?
• 24:44
  Oh, he's going to be the. Next one down on the planet.
• 24:47
  Yeah, we need an invasion for 734.
• 24:50
  He's no longer need how? Many monoids are there.
• 24:52
  Do we ever find out? Well, there's at least. 34 We
• 24:56
  can say that with confidence, yeah, but I ain't going to.
• 24:58
  Have 34 extras. Are they on the screen?
• 25:00
  Not on the screen, no. Obviously that's they could
• 25:04
  have. They could have been a bit more
• 25:05
  inventive of the numbering system, really couldn't lay and
• 25:07
  have Monoid 107 and they could. Do you know what they?
• 25:10
  Do with the Daleks and do cut out monoids in the background,
• 25:15
  hundreds of them. Oh.
• 25:17
  You know that? The whole thing about the bomb
• 25:19
  being in the statue. Is just glorious.
• 25:24
  But that is proper. B Movie Science.
• 25:26
  Fiction, isn't it? I think that's the.
• 25:30
  That's so the idea is what? They're going to go down on the
• 25:32
  planet refuses to the monoids leave the human race up here and
• 25:37
  blow them up with the statue. But what will happen to the?
• 25:39
  Elephant. Well, they don't.
• 25:41
  Care. They're they're evil.
• 25:45
  Oh, what's that? A load of chicken.
• 25:46
  That's a lot of chicken. Can you imagine if that?
• 25:49
  Was so lovely. At the end of the day you've had
• 25:50
  a hard day's work, come home, throw a pill in some water and
• 25:54
  then the light of roast chicken emerges.
• 25:56
  Why do they? Need as.
• 25:59
  This is why the. Kitchen's for used for security
• 26:02
  because you actually don't need any preparation space because
• 26:04
  you're literally just dropping some liquid never thought about.
• 26:07
  That you know, so actually it's a very.
• 26:09
  Sensible retooling of the kitchen area?
• 26:12
  Well, we've got a. Kitchen.
• 26:14
  We might as well use the space. Yeah, OK.
• 26:19
  I've had this story makes us think about the tough question,
• 26:22
  you know? Do you think this is?
• 26:26
  This is the better of the two arc stories.
• 26:29
  You know, with the last of humanity out in space, No, I
• 26:33
  don't. Think it is the better of the
• 26:34
  two arc stories, do you? I mean, I think this is more fun
• 26:39
  than the arc in space, but I think the arc in space is a a
• 26:42
  far more effective piece of drama.
• 26:44
  I actually. Think the.
• 26:45
  Arc in. Space is really good fun.
• 26:46
  Well, no, it's. About a load of insects planting
• 26:50
  eggs inside people and then tearing them inside out.
• 26:55
  Is that your idea of? Fun.
• 26:58
  Yes, but it's got the doctor and Harry Sullivan moving around
• 27:02
  under a table. Actually their.
• 27:04
  Ass is sticking out. It's very funny.
• 27:08
  How many times have you watched the arc of the space?
• 27:09
  Recently, Jones. Quite quite.
• 27:12
  Quite a few. I shan't say why.
• 27:17
  Oh, I love as. Well, how the refusions?
• 27:20
  Have got the mysterious alien voice that every God like being
• 27:24
  in Star Trek has Captain Kirk. It's actually a cliche.
• 27:30
  That they managed. To avoid mostly in Doctor Who.
• 27:33
  So who is doing? That voice this.
• 27:36
  Is quite actually you're. Right, this is quite Star Trek
• 27:38
  original series, isn't it? Down.
• 27:41
  On the planet, Yeah. Red shirts.
• 27:51
  I think I actually want to. Murder, the refusions, I mean,
• 27:54
  it's just outrageous, I think. The big ideas.
• 28:01
  Have all stopped as well, you know, like we've blown our load
• 28:05
  in. Episodes one and two,
• 28:06
  absolutely. That and so that's why I say,
• 28:09
  although it's thematically consistent, I don't think it's,
• 28:12
  I don't think it's a particularly complex or deep
• 28:17
  political viewpoint that needs kind of extrapolating over 2
• 28:22
  episodes. Yen Dom, that man's name.
• 28:25
  Is yen Dom. That's what I was just about to
• 28:28
  say to you. Now, I can't quite describe to
• 28:31
  you how. That makes me feel yen Dom.
• 28:36
  Yeah, but his mother. Was called Durex all right?
• 28:44
  Oh God of mighty, there's there's probably a.
• 28:47
  Book in that you know it's the space.
• 28:49
  Names of Doctor Who. You could do a whole volume for
• 28:52
  Chipnall, couldn't you those? Sort of people.
• 29:00
  Isn't there somebody? Called cervix in Or is it a
• 29:04
  thief? Oh no, Salvix.
• 29:06
  Salvix, That's it. Yeah.
• 29:09
  OK, so then. That's been blown.
• 29:11
  So the refu did the refusing blow up the the yeah, yeah,
• 29:15
  yeah, because. The monoid. #2 wanted to get
• 29:17
  back to the launcher. He.
• 29:19
  Said no, you're not going anywhere.
• 29:21
  All right, We know you're up to. No good.
• 29:23
  OK, so. I mean.
• 29:26
  Just got a little bit of debris. And they're pumping in a bit of
• 29:29
  smoke to suggest that the launch has been blown up in a really.
• 29:36
  Oh dodo. No, she's OK.
• 29:39
  What if they? Don't come, James.
• 29:42
  That's not. Much of a cliffhanger.
• 29:44
  Is it I mean? Why?
• 29:45
  Wasn't the cliffhanger then finding out that the bomb is in
• 29:48
  the statue? That would be a great
• 29:50
  cliffhanger or anything. Or.
• 29:52
  The, or because I mean, it's also the, what the cliffhanger
• 29:56
  ought to be is the threat of some kind of civil war on this.
• 30:02
  But, well, it's not a civil war, but it's a, you know, the, the
• 30:05
  invade, it's escalation, isn't it?
• 30:07
  The the Refusians are clearly going to match whatever the
• 30:13
  monoids bring. So we're we're the threat there.
• 30:16
  Is that the human race getting caught in a full story?
• 30:19
  Editor Jerry. Davis.
• 30:20
  Yeah, he's in. He's.
• 30:21
  Just in, so this is nothing to do.
• 30:24
  With Tosh then. It's, I think Tosh was very much
• 30:29
  involved in the conception. Was Jerry Davis.
• 30:35
  On all I think Jerry Davis officially took over for this
• 30:38
  story, but. Maybe that?
• 30:41
  Now I'm going to make a suggestion because I think the
• 30:44
  ideas are sophisticated, but sometimes how they are scripted
• 30:48
  is not so. And I certainly think that both
• 30:52
  the ideas in the stories before this and how they're scripted is
• 30:58
  quite mature indeed. Are you?
• 31:01
  Spying the hand of Jerry Davis, I'm wondering.
• 31:04
  Slightly clumsy now. The bits where.
• 31:05
  Centrist was. Declaring to camera or dodo
• 31:09
  just. Then going oh.
• 31:10
  What if they never come for us? I can't.
• 31:12
  See those? Lines in earlier scripts in the
• 31:15
  season, yeah. I think you may have, I think
• 31:19
  you may have a point there. And then what do we skip into?
• 31:21
  Next after this is it the Celestial Toy Maker?
• 31:23
  That's a. Car crash of many writers making
• 31:28
  this is where we. Go from.
• 31:29
  Dodo saying oh what a lovely. Clown he is.
• 31:32
  Oh, I hate you. You're a bad clown.
• 31:35
  But maybe the next game will be. Fun after all, Steven.
• 31:39
  He is hurt. I'm going to leave my square and
• 31:42
  see if he's okay. You rotter boy.
• 31:46
  Hopscotch. Cut it on you saying that.