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Lunch with the Clydesdale - Lunch with Friends | Josh Hicks · Clydesdale Media Podcast

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  After the after the twenty four CrossFit
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  Games,
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  there was a lot of clamoring about the
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  safety and welfare of the athletes.
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  We're about a year after that.
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  And today we have the man with the
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  plan right now.
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  Clydesdale.
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  Let's go.
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  What is going on, everybody?
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  Welcome to Lunch with the Clydesdale Lunch
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  with Friends episode.
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  I have Josh Hicks with me.
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  What's going on, Josh?
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  Hey, man.
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  How's it going?
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  I don't think I've ever called you Josh
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  in our friendship.
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  Yeah, it felt really weird, but it's okay.
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  So I call you Hicks.
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  We'll do that from the rest of the
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  way through.
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  And just for people to understand,
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  I've known you... God,
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  I was thinking back.
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  We're over a decade of friendship.
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  Yep.
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  You and I both started our CrossFit kind
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  of...
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  I don't know, not life,
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  but like this getting involved in events
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  as volunteers,
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  you were on the medical team.
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  I kind of like traipsed around on the
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  event team and different things.
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  And finally found my way to security and
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  judging.
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  And when I hit security,
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  we worked a lot with the medical team
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  and we became better friends.
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  And so I've known you probably ever since
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  like, yeah, I'd say.
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  Yeah.
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  So what made you want to be a
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  volunteer, uh, at CrossFit events?
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  That's a funny story,
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  but I'll give you the cliff notes of
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  it.
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  Um,
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  I had an affiliate at the time I
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  was in the process of opening and one
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  of my friends in the area, um,
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  told me that we were,
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  there's far more to the story,
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  but I'm just giving you the cliff's notes.
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  I was doing a Saturday morning workout,
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  uh,
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  at the gym that I was a member
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  of while I was opening my, my gym,
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  my affiliate.
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  And they said, Hey, this, uh, I was,
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  we had a run that was like eight
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  hundred meters.
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  And to do that,
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  you had to kind of run down the
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  side of the road, the main road.
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  So we went up to the stop sign.
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  I hung a ride.
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  I'm, I'm running and, um,
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  one of my buddies said hey uh rich
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  froning's next door he's he's next door
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  you should swing over and i was like
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  all right cool i'll go over there so
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  this was like twenty fourteen and uh so
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  i just i didn't finish the workout i
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  wasn't into crossfit super competitively
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  at the time so i didn't finish the
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  workout hold that against me now if you
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  want but it worked out
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  It worked out in the long run.
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  Ran across the road.
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  Rich was there.
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  We got to talking.
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  I have a picture from that day.
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  He said, you're a paramedic.
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  You should look into volunteering.
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  I think they've got a med team at
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  the games that would benefit from having
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  more people like you.
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  I was like, that's cool.
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  I'll look into it.
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  thought didn't cross my mind again for a
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  couple of months and then logged onto the
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  website and I saw all these different
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  areas you could volunteer.
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  And there were like, uh,
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  you remember the old website,
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  it's like six different things.
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  You list your first one and then second,
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  second, second.
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  So I put medical as my first one
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  and then I did security and then I
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  did equipment and then I stared at it
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  for a minute and I deleted security and
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  equipment and went medical, medical,
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  medical, medical, medical, medical,
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  all the way down to the bottom.
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  And, um,
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  The gentleman that was in charge of the
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  team reached out to me and said, hey,
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  you don't have anybody else.
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  What if I don't choose you?
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  I said, I guess I'm not going.
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  He said, all right, roger that.
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  Then a couple hours later,
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  I got my acceptance letter and just got
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  into it from there.
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  When I went and volunteered my first year,
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  I instantly hooked.
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  It was just like, man,
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  this is the team I need.
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  This is the team I want to be
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  a part of.
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  I love this sport.
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  I just want to
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  you know do what i can for it
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  and started noticing things that we were
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  doing that were good but could be improved
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  on and that's kind of where everything
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  else started we started there and it's
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  done nothing but expand from there first
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  time i ever worked crossfit games team was
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  in uh carson and uh we had twenty
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  three people on the med team for the
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  whole event so growing to what it is
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  now it's pretty incredible we're gonna
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  talk about that growth but
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  But I want to preface this.
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  I don't want this to be a formal
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  interview.
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  I said this to you before we went
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  live.
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  This is a hangout show.
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  We have people in the chat.
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  We want them to be involved.
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  This is just you and me shooting the
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  shit like we do at every event,
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  sitting on a bench or whatever it is.
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  And that's the cool story that you got
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  in that way.
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  I remember the same thing.
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  A guy talked me into signing up and
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  you had your list of options.
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  You picked your first, your second,
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  your third.
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  I wasn't...
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  as committed as you were to one team.
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  So I did fill out some different ones.
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  But yeah, that's how I got in.
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  Aaron, is this Austin Hatfield's dad?
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  Maybe.
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  Cousin?
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  Close cousin?
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  I don't know.
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  We're from kind of the same area.
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  There's probably a family vine that runs
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  up that way.
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  CrossFit says this guy definitely either
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  has a trail boss or like a lariat.
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  Uh,
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  actually I have a first gen Toyota Sequoia
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  that's lifted, uh,
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  has a winch is getting a winch front
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  bumper and it is the whole back end
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  of it's geared up for deer hunting.
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  There you go.
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  Um, so a year ago,
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  a tragic event happened at the CrossFit
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  games.
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  Lazar Jukic lost his life.
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  You were not a part of the medical
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  team that year.
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  Am I, am I correct?
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  Yes.
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  And you had been a part of the
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  medical team for years before that.
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  Yes.
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  So you did Carson all of the years
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  in Madison.
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  And then that year you were off.
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  Actually,
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  I didn't do the last year in Madison.
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  I was there,
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  but I was at the Mayhem Campground.
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  That's where I was working.
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  I just...
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  A lot of speculation on that.
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  People like to say reasons that I left,
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  and they're never accurate.
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  Personal reasons that I left,
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  deeply personal reasons that I left that
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  have absolutely nothing to do with the
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  sport or the team.
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  But I left in – I did the
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  twenty-twenty-two games, led the med team,
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  and then twenty-twenty-three,
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  I wasn't involved.
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  So twenty-twenty-three,
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  twenty-twenty-four, I wasn't involved.
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  Twenty-twenty-five.
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  All right.
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  so again,
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  this is just you and me talking on
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  a bench.
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  So, so you leave,
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  you do some other things and I know
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  you and I have talked and I know
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  some of the,
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  some of the reasons you left and some
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  opportunities, some more personal stuff,
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  things like that.
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  So the,
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  so Lazar's death happens and then all of
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  a sudden you are kind of thrust into
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  the spotlight all of the sudden and,
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  Now, during that time,
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  you were coming up with a program to
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  teach affiliates how to best respond in a
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  crisis situation.
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  Yeah, that was the MedicRx was my process.
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  It's kind of evolved into more of an
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  event-based thing now at this point,
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  and we don't even use that name anymore.
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  But yeah, that was my goal.
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  Right,
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  but during those two years that you were
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  not at the games,
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  you were deeply involved with that,
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  trying to teach affiliates, like,
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  if this happens in your gym,
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  this is the plan you need to have
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  in place and the skills you need to
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  have there to make sure that people
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  survive.
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  Yeah.
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  It's near and dear to my heart.
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  Honestly, man, just like you said,
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  just chatting.
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  It's not ever a situation where I need
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  to make a name for myself or I
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  need to be the best.
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  I don't want to do that.
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  But I would like to leave the sport
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  and the community and everything involved
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  with it a little better than I found
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  it.
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  Not that it's bad or that anything's wrong
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  with it,
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  but I think we all just like to
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  leave a little bit of a mark in
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  a positive manner.
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  I want my kids to be involved with
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  it.
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  I want the sport to continue on for
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  that.
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  So that's kind of what I want to
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  do.
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  I've never professed to be the best.
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  I don't want to be the best.
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  would be nice to be undeniable.
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  So working towards that,
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  but the best is not something I'm after.
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  Right.
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  But you put a lot of work into
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  that.
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  It was a lot of documentation,
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  a lot of plans,
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  a lot of things like that.
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  And I think that plays a part into
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  what happens next.
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  Yeah.
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  So I will go ahead.
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  I want to set this up.
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  So in twenty three,
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  you led the medical team.
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  I led the medical team.
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  Wasn't there.
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  Twenty three.
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  Twenty two.
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  You led the medical team.
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  Yes.
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  Then you take those years off to do
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  this, put all that work in.
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  And you and I had talked and and
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  like the documentation part of that was
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  huge.
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  Yeah.
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  So then this this happens with Lazar at
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  the games.
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  And all of a sudden you are thrust
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  into we need you back.
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  Yeah.
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  Well,
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  I don't know if I was thrust directly
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  into that statement.
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  Not just from CrossFit.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Okay.
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  Event leaders around the globe said,
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  we need to make sure we have good
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  safety protocols in place.
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  And you had done all this documentation
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  for affiliates.
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  How much of that can translate to safety
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  plans for events?
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  You know,
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  that is a really good question that I
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  asked myself about a year ago.
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  And I just kind of,
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  I was wise enough when I was younger
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  to not throw away all the beginning work,
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  like all the etch work that I did,
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  all the beginning first edition EAPs and
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  stuff,
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  if you want to call them an edition.
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  So I kept all that and I got
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  it on a Google Drive that I had
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  to transfer over to an external hard drive
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  because there's so much information in
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  there.
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  So you can kind of see the evolution
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  of these things as I went across.
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  And the good thing for that is it's
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  really good quality control.
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  You know, sometimes as we go,
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  because this is, you know,
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  now it's closing in on over a decade
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  worth of information.
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  So things that we were doing in twenty,
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  Sixteen twenty seventeen have come full
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  circle and they're coming back around and
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  people are thinking because we got new
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  people in and they're thinking, you know,
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  they're seeing through new eyes and
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  they're thinking, oh,
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  maybe we can maybe we could do this.
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  And I can say, you know,
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  if they ask me about it, well,
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  we tried that once.
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  It doesn't really work.
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  And then, of course, if I tell you,
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  if you come up with an idea and
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  I tell you now it's not going to
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  work,
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  you're going to want to know why I
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  have that opinion and I have the
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  documentation behind it.
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  Well,
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  we tried it and this didn't work and
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  this didn't work and this didn't work and
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  this is why.
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  And then areas of that we can look
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  at and see if we can modify it
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  to make it into a better process.
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  And, you know,
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  that's that's kind of been what I've been
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  doing.
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  So over the past year,
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  I've been compiling this information down
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  into something.
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  I'm trying to get like an e-book together
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  because this year this has been my full
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  time job and it has been.
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  I have become increasingly more aware that
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  there is only one of me.
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  and i've only got a handful of people
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  i'm very big on training my replacement uh
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  you know anything could happen i get hit
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  by a bus tomorrow um a radioactive deer
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  could take me out of the tree stand
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  you know anything could anything could
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  happen so um deer nuts down in tennessee
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  they're crazy so you know anything could
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  happen so um
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  I think I just need to be better
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  equipped.
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  Actually, let me rephrase that.
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  I think I need to equip the community
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  better so that it's not just me,
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  that there are multiple resources because
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  You don't want to create something that
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  you're passionate about and that you love
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  that has a positive benefit to the
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  community as a whole,
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  and then something happened to you and all
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  your work's gone.
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  So I need to have a way to
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  pass that along,
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  which is kind of what I'm in the
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  process of putting together so that I can
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  do that.
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  Corey Leonard says,
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  please don't get hit by a bus while
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  hunting radioactive deer.
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  Well, if it's a bus,
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  I'm probably driving it.
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  So there's that.
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  Hicks sounds like Rich did in the two
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  thousand ten BTS videos.
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  Yeah,
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  you can't shake the redneck out of my
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  voice.
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  You are close to Cookville, too, right?
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  You live in the Tennessee mountains.
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  Yes.
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  What, forty five minutes from Cookville?
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  No, no, no.
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  I'm farther than that.
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  I'm about.
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  About three hours.
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  If I don't catch traffic in Knoxville,
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  about two and two and a quarter.
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  OK.
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  Corey also says safety third is not in
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  Hicks vocabulary.
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  no most definitely not um just joined
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  wasn't watching had to pull a video i
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  thought tyler watkins was talking ah yes
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  tyler's voice uh we do we do share
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  a time we kinship of this redneck sound
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  So you have all this documentation,
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  you're kind of thrust back into the
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  community and the events right after that
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  event.
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  The WFP launches,
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  they hire you to run that like safety
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  thing.
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  And are you still part of the medical
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  team with that?
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  Or is it kind of a separate entity
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  of its own?
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  So essentially the role that I'm filling
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  for WFP or that I was hired for
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  is director of medical and safety.
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  So I do the onsite safety checks,
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  tie in with insurance stuff,
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  all of our documentation I keep and
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  direct.
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  And then I've got...
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  The vetting of the med team.
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  So we do have a medical lead.
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  That's Jeremy Johnson.
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  He's been with me everywhere.
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  If you needed a team lead and I
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  wasn't available,
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  this is the guy that you want.
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  And he is you know,
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  we've got a handful of other people that
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  are capable of doing the same things.
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  And I'm trying to figure out a way
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  to get that out.
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  But for WFP,
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  that is that is essentially what I do.
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  It's a little bit more in depth.
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  at a much higher level than the medical
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  team directly is.
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  But I have been occupying that role for
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  Waterpalooza since twenty nineteen,
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  the director of medical and safety,
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  where I'm tied in a little bit with
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  security liaison with onside EMS,
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  contracting them if we contract them or
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  tying in with the city if we don't,
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  which is what I did for a lot
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  of the
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  in-person qualifiers semifinals this past
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  year and years in the past.
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  Just kind of tied in with all of
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  those, all those resources.
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  And it's, you know,
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  it's just kind of what I do.
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  I'm actually chasing some new
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  certifications right now.
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  Currently.
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  Okay.
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  And then I know I saw you at
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  the age group games.
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  I know you at the CrossFit games.
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  How much were you pulled back into the
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  CrossFit team?
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  I would say that anybody that has been
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  involved with the games team,
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  especially the medical side,
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  understands it's not just a team.
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  So it ends up being an extended family.
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  Some of the best friends I've ever made
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  in my life are within that team.
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  They still are.
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  And it is – you know,
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  it's something that is –
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  it's very near and dear to my heart.
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  And I think once you're,
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  once you're a member,
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  it is easier to see from the inside,
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  um,
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  things that are happening on the outside.
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  So, um,
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  I wouldn't say that I was drawn in
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  on an official level.
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  Um,
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  I've been in some communications with
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  them.
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  You know,
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  I touch base with a lot of people.
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  We share information,
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  we share ideas all the time.
• 16:17
  Um, you know, drills, operational drills,
• 16:19
  EAP drills, things that I've done, um,
• 16:22
  Whether whether anybody wanted to admit it
• 16:24
  or not, you know,
• 16:25
  I don't really and I think I've said
• 16:27
  this about a thousand times now,
• 16:29
  but I really have a side to anything.
• 16:31
  I have a job and whether I'm here
• 16:33
  or not, the job remains.
• 16:35
  So I'm going to continue doing that job
• 16:36
  to the best of my ability wherever I'm
• 16:38
  at.
• 16:39
  And so sharing ideas is a part of
• 16:42
  that.
• 16:42
  And you want to you want to find
• 16:44
  things that work and find things that
• 16:45
  don't.
• 16:46
  And by by sheer volume,
• 16:49
  I'm able to test more ideas.
• 16:51
  across a vast platform of events.
• 16:55
  So, you know,
• 16:55
  and I've come up with ideas in the
• 16:57
  past that have been like, oh,
• 16:58
  this is a great idea.
• 16:59
  And then we do it.
• 16:59
  And I'm like,
• 17:00
  we are never doing that again.
• 17:01
  That was a terrible idea.
• 17:04
  Scrap it from the books.
• 17:05
  And that goes into the that goes into
• 17:07
  my documentation of, hey, we tried this.
• 17:08
  It didn't work.
• 17:09
  So, yes, I've kind of been tied in,
• 17:13
  but not not in an official capacity,
• 17:15
  just information sharing and when people
• 17:17
  reach out.
• 17:20
  So at the age group games,
• 17:21
  were you a lead there?
• 17:25
  Yes.
• 17:27
  This year has been very hectic for me.
• 17:30
  As of right now,
• 17:32
  I have done eighteen events this year,
• 17:34
  and I've got three more to go.
• 17:37
  Well, Denise Moore,
• 17:38
  who won the sixty-five to sixty-nine
• 17:41
  division female,
• 17:43
  she knows two ladies at the age groups
• 17:44
  that got injured.
• 17:45
  That's just one division.
• 17:47
  So I bet the medical team was very
• 17:48
  busy at the age group games.
• 17:50
  How much complexity does an age group
• 17:53
  games?
• 17:53
  One,
• 17:53
  you're an older population of athlete.
• 17:58
  Two,
• 17:58
  they have multiple floors going on at the
• 18:01
  same time.
• 18:03
  How much complexity does that add as a
• 18:06
  lead?
• 18:07
  So I think that a lot of times
• 18:09
  when you're referring to the medical
• 18:10
  divisions, you tend to kind of.
• 18:14
  corner hole that into a single entity of
• 18:17
  you're just going to provide medical care
• 18:19
  but there's so many different facets and
• 18:22
  if you want to be a good medical
• 18:23
  team lead i tell people this all the
• 18:25
  time i'm you know i'm i'm kind of
• 18:27
  detached from the actual medical care i
• 18:29
  still do it uh when we get backed
• 18:31
  up or i have to but for the
• 18:33
  most part my entire job is around risk
• 18:35
  mitigation so i want to make sure that
• 18:37
  every every risk avenue has a plan or
• 18:40
  is averted at some way
• 18:42
  So that's kind of my job.
• 18:43
  And a big part of that as a
• 18:45
  medical team lead is the logistics of
• 18:47
  moving your people around.
• 18:49
  And we have very standard rotations on the
• 18:51
  field where you'll have a team.
• 18:53
  Each floor should have idealistically.
• 18:55
  Sometimes we're shorthanded.
• 18:57
  We were age groups.
• 18:58
  So we were we were stretched a little
• 18:59
  thin,
• 19:00
  but we made it work and we made
• 19:01
  it work well.
• 19:02
  I had a really good team there for
• 19:04
  the people that I had.
• 19:05
  So it was you know,
• 19:05
  it was it worked very well.
• 19:09
  But what we do is, well, ideally speaking.
• 19:11
  You'd have a field and there'd be three
• 19:13
  teams, one field right, one field left,
• 19:17
  one off the field.
• 19:18
  And about every forty five minutes to an
• 19:20
  hour,
• 19:21
  they'll rotate in a clockwise manner.
• 19:23
  So the one that's off the field will
• 19:24
  go right, right will go left,
• 19:26
  left will go off the field.
• 19:27
  And that does that serves a ton of
• 19:28
  purposes, logistically speaking.
• 19:30
  And this comes from my EMS background for
• 19:32
  search and rescue.
• 19:34
  When you are stuck in an area for
• 19:36
  an extended period of time,
• 19:38
  it's kind of like driving on the
• 19:39
  interstate and getting road hypnotized
• 19:41
  where you drive for forty miles and you
• 19:43
  don't remember anything.
• 19:44
  So we move them so it changes their
• 19:46
  perspective, keeps their eyes fresh.
• 19:47
  But then it also gives them a rest
• 19:49
  off the field so they're not having their
• 19:50
  mind overtaxed.
• 19:52
  And that's that's the biggest that's the
• 19:54
  biggest thing with it.
• 19:54
  And that was that was stretched a little
• 19:57
  bit age groups just because of that.
• 20:00
  Lack of volunteers,
• 20:01
  lack of med team staff.
• 20:02
  It was just, you know,
• 20:03
  it's just one of those things.
• 20:04
  It's an obstacle that you have to recover,
• 20:06
  recover from.
• 20:07
  And I've got plans for all that in
• 20:08
  place.
• 20:08
  They came out this year.
• 20:10
  There are things I came up with in
• 20:11
  twenty seventeen,
• 20:12
  twenty eighteen and have never had to use
• 20:13
  until this year.
• 20:14
  But they work great.
• 20:18
  Gosh, I got so many questions for you.
• 20:20
  So let's let's ask the big question here.
• 20:24
  You that this thing happened in twenty
• 20:27
  twenty four.
• 20:29
  What is the major difference you see as
• 20:32
  a medical lead and safety advisor in the
• 20:37
  fitness space from that point forward?
• 20:42
  So let me restate your question,
• 20:44
  make sure I'm answering exactly what
• 20:45
  you're asking.
• 20:46
  Are you asking my lesson learned that I'm
• 20:50
  taking away to apply to other events or
• 20:52
  are you asking errors that I may have
• 20:56
  seen?
• 20:58
  I like both questions.
• 20:59
  Let's start with lessons learned.
• 21:01
  Okay.
• 21:02
  Positive light.
• 21:03
  Yeah.
• 21:03
  So lessons learned is that accidents are
• 21:09
  just that.
• 21:10
  There are ways to eliminate risk,
• 21:14
  but the nature of sport is that risk
• 21:16
  is ever present.
• 21:18
  And there are things to mitigate that
• 21:21
  drills, testing, you know,
• 21:24
  making sure that your team knows where
• 21:25
  they need to be,
• 21:26
  when they need to be there,
• 21:27
  making sure they're vetted and they have
• 21:29
  the skills.
• 21:29
  All of those were in place.
• 21:32
  And then sometimes.
• 21:34
  Sometimes accidents happen.
• 21:36
  And you can only take away from those
• 21:38
  only take away from those accidents,
• 21:40
  the mistakes that are shown through
• 21:42
  investigative cycles and improve on those
• 21:45
  later.
• 21:46
  It doesn't change the fact that something
• 21:48
  happened,
• 21:49
  but the movement forward has to change.
• 21:51
  And that was you know,
• 21:53
  that's that's all I could I could really
• 21:55
  take from that.
• 21:55
  You know, I wasn't there.
• 21:56
  I don't know.
• 21:58
  I know a few of the intricate details
• 22:00
  there.
• 22:02
  And I just don't have the personal
• 22:05
  experience level to speak about that or
• 22:08
  even errors because I don't know what was
• 22:10
  going on behind the scenes to a deep
• 22:13
  level.
• 22:14
  I can tell you beyond a shadow of
• 22:16
  a doubt that nobody goes into these events
• 22:19
  with the expectation of hurting an athlete
• 22:21
  or a staff member or anybody.
• 22:23
  The expectation is not there to cause an
• 22:26
  injury to the community or a person or
• 22:28
  even a loss of life.
• 22:32
  That doesn't mean that things won't
• 22:34
  happen.
• 22:35
  They're inevitable.
• 22:36
  Our sport, I think a lot of people,
• 22:39
  it's hard to imagine because of how
• 22:41
  quickly the CrossFit sport grew.
• 22:43
  It's hard to imagine that we're still an
• 22:47
  infant sport.
• 22:48
  So there are still lessons to be learned.
• 22:52
  I think a huge lesson to take away
• 22:55
  is that
• 22:57
  uh,
• 22:57
  planning and structure will almost always
• 23:00
  rule the day and planning and structure
• 23:02
  can be in place at a high level
• 23:05
  and a bad thing still happen.
• 23:07
  And, you know, that's, that's kinda,
• 23:09
  I don't want to go,
• 23:10
  I don't want to go too far into
• 23:11
  the weeds on that cause I know I'm
• 23:12
  bad at it, but that, um,
• 23:14
  bad about doing that.
• 23:15
  So, um, yeah, I mean, that's, that's,
• 23:18
  that's what I would take away from it.
• 23:19
  That's what I have taken away from it.
• 23:21
  There are things that
• 23:23
  I'm not going to change about the way
• 23:25
  that I run events because I know that
• 23:28
  they work.
• 23:29
  There are things that I am going to
• 23:31
  change.
• 23:33
  And that's based off of just learning and
• 23:35
  knowledge of seeing how the events have
• 23:37
  played out since then.
• 23:38
  Not just that one,
• 23:39
  but the events since then.
• 23:41
  So let me ask you this.
• 23:43
  As an outside observer,
• 23:44
  you saw what happened.
• 23:47
  I'm sure you've been given information
• 23:49
  that some of us probably don't have.
• 23:52
  What are you putting in your current plans
• 23:56
  to make them a little more solid than
• 23:58
  they were prior to that day?
• 24:02
  Oh, that's an ever-encompassing question.
• 24:07
  I haven't changed a lot,
• 24:08
  to be perfectly honest and frank.
• 24:12
  I won't change a lot in terms of
• 24:14
  water events because the water events that
• 24:17
  I've ran in the past have been,
• 24:19
  historically speaking,
• 24:19
  they've been like Waterpalooza,
• 24:21
  which is a heavily coastal event.
• 24:24
  And we have resources there.
• 24:25
  But I would say one of the things
• 24:29
  that I have been very active about,
• 24:32
  and you could see on my social media,
• 24:35
  is teaching CPR.
• 24:38
  Because
• 24:39
  Ever-present,
• 24:40
  however you want to look at it.
• 24:41
  I get a question a lot.
• 24:43
  It's blown up my Instagram quite a bit.
• 24:47
  It just keeps resurfacing over and over
• 24:50
  and over again.
• 24:51
  Is the staffing issue at all of these
• 24:54
  events,
• 24:55
  does it have anything to do with the
• 24:57
  event happening last year?
• 24:58
  And my answer is no.
• 25:00
  I just don't see that the negative effects
• 25:03
  from last year have spanned that far in
• 25:06
  terms of people not wanting to volunteer.
• 25:08
  I think what we have is a growth
• 25:11
  of the system into more events.
• 25:14
  So it's diluted the pool of volunteers
• 25:18
  because people don't understand that
• 25:21
  volunteers are doing this.
• 25:23
  They're coming to these events and
• 25:24
  allowing us to watch these top-tier
• 25:26
  events.
• 25:27
  based on their own passion for the sport.
• 25:29
  And it's on their own dime that they
• 25:31
  come.
• 25:31
  So if I have to take vacation time,
• 25:35
  spend my own money,
• 25:37
  get my own room and board,
• 25:38
  my own rental cars or drive up or
• 25:40
  whatever it is I'm doing, food and stuff,
• 25:42
  I have foods taken care of there,
• 25:43
  but the outside stuff after the event.
• 25:46
  If you're any extra spending you're doing,
• 25:47
  it's all coming out of pocket.
• 25:48
  And I have an option to fly
• 25:51
  fifteen hundred or two thousand miles to
• 25:53
  do an event or I've got one forty
• 25:55
  miles down the road that has an equally
• 25:58
  large number of athletes,
• 25:59
  I'm probably going to do the one where
• 26:01
  I have closest resources.
• 26:03
  It saves me time.
• 26:04
  I'm not burning as much vacation time.
• 26:06
  And that's a big deal.
• 26:08
  And so part of the things that I've
• 26:10
  changed in the way that I do this
• 26:11
  is I sat down and I looked at
• 26:13
  resources that we had.
• 26:15
  And, you know, one of the medical.
• 26:18
  team's entire purpose is to preserve life
• 26:20
  on the field.
• 26:22
  And the worst case scenario is a cardiac
• 26:24
  arrest or a long bone injury.
• 26:26
  When I say long bone,
• 26:27
  I didn't mean to get off in the
• 26:29
  weeds there,
• 26:29
  but I mean like a femur or something
• 26:31
  that's going to really restrict movement
• 26:33
  and that you need a higher level of
• 26:34
  care for.
• 26:36
  Or spinal injury where you've just got to
• 26:37
  immobilize them in place.
• 26:38
  Well,
• 26:38
  that's what we would call an EAP
• 26:40
  activation, emergency action plan.
• 26:42
  That's an activation where all gameplay
• 26:44
  stops.
• 26:45
  And if I've got
• 26:46
  At TFX this year, day one,
• 26:49
  there were only two med team members,
• 26:51
  and that included me, myself,
• 26:53
  and the lead.
• 26:54
  We're the only ones there for a semifinal
• 26:56
  because we didn't have anybody that could
• 26:58
  get in there fast enough.
• 27:00
  They got there the next day,
• 27:01
  and we had an expanded team the next
• 27:02
  day, but day one was an issue.
• 27:04
  So that's when I implemented that first
• 27:05
  plan, and we refined it there,
• 27:07
  and it worked well.
• 27:09
  Great.
• 27:09
  And we've expanded it since then.
• 27:11
  So at TFX,
• 27:12
  you would see I looked at the resources.
• 27:14
  What's an untapped resource that we have
• 27:16
  that can be utilized in the event of
• 27:18
  an emergency?
• 27:18
  I'm not talking decon or walking around on
• 27:20
  the field.
• 27:21
  I'm talking in the event of an actual
• 27:23
  emergency.
• 27:24
  And.
• 27:25
  What we have is judges.
• 27:27
  Judges are in every lane.
• 27:28
  They're right next to every athlete.
• 27:30
  So I started asking the judges at the
• 27:32
  head staff or at the head judge meetings.
• 27:34
  I'd say, hey,
• 27:35
  I need to talk to your teams.
• 27:36
  Went over the ideas with them.
• 27:37
  They liked the idea.
• 27:39
  We have medical professionals that are
• 27:41
  working in other teams.
• 27:42
  They have CPR.
• 27:43
  They have experience with CPR.
• 27:45
  So they started wearing a red cross on
• 27:47
  their shoulder.
• 27:48
  That's our resource.
• 27:49
  If we call an EAP,
• 27:50
  those people move to the middle.
• 27:52
  And I know a lot of people on
• 27:53
  here have seen where we do,
• 27:54
  I aptly named it the Jericho drill.
• 27:57
  It's where we do an EAP activation and
• 27:59
  the judges form a barrier around who we're
• 28:02
  treating.
• 28:02
  They make a ring.
• 28:03
  Well, that came from Waterpalooza.
• 28:05
  We tested it in
• 28:07
  And it went into full effect twenty twenty
• 28:09
  and it has been across the board.
• 28:11
  You saw him do it at the French
• 28:12
  throwdown.
• 28:14
  I didn't teach anybody there.
• 28:15
  We had some judges that have become pretty
• 28:17
  good friends of mine that were at Rogue
• 28:20
  and they asked me for details on it.
• 28:22
  I talked to them.
• 28:23
  I gave them the details and they took
• 28:24
  it to Europe where it was implemented.
• 28:26
  I'm actually getting chill bumps when you
• 28:28
  do something.
• 28:28
  And as that that large of an impact,
• 28:30
  it was just it was really good to
• 28:33
  see that go into action.
• 28:34
  But I looked at that ring and I
• 28:36
  said, you know,
• 28:36
  we have if we have those people in
• 28:38
  that ring with their back turned to us
• 28:39
  and their CPR capable,
• 28:41
  we'll put a red cross on their shoulder,
• 28:42
  turn them and face us.
• 28:44
  Then when we need to switch out for
• 28:45
  chest compressions or whatever else,
• 28:47
  we can pull that person down.
• 28:48
  It fills the hole.
• 28:49
  So that's a resource that goes untapped.
• 28:51
  You know,
• 28:52
  even if you have a local competition and
• 28:54
  you have nobody for medical,
• 28:55
  but you've got some people that are CPR
• 28:57
  trained and you've got EMS on standby,
• 28:59
  you have a resource there to have a
• 29:01
  medical element, maybe not a medical team,
• 29:04
  but a medical element there.
• 29:05
  And those are for emergency use,
• 29:07
  just like an AED.
• 29:09
  They're there in case you need them.
• 29:11
  So I want to bring this up,
• 29:13
  but Denise says,
• 29:15
  isn't CPR knowledge something that
• 29:17
  everybody should have?
• 29:18
  Do I not remember that you guys trained
• 29:22
  some judges at Wadapalooza CPR right
• 29:25
  before the event?
• 29:27
  So we actually implemented that and all
• 29:29
  the head staff at WFP in Indianapolis,
• 29:32
  I taught a CPR class and I got
• 29:34
  them all certified.
• 29:36
  So every lead at WFP is CPR certified?
• 29:40
  Yes, CPR certified.
• 29:41
  Even some MCs are CPR certified.
• 29:43
  Wow, that's really cool.
• 29:45
  Yeah.
• 29:45
  So and we're implementing that at other
• 29:47
  events, too.
• 29:49
  And I've been talking to the AFJ and
• 29:51
  some of those guys.
• 29:52
  And when they are teaching their seminars,
• 29:55
  we're going to start.
• 29:56
  We're working on the capacity and what
• 29:58
  that's going to look like.
• 29:59
  But we want to include a CPR certification
• 30:01
  in there.
• 30:02
  And that's where my old course.
• 30:04
  The MedicRx comes in,
• 30:05
  we'll pull aspects from that and add it
• 30:08
  to their course because I can get one
• 30:10
  of those courses done fairly quick in a
• 30:12
  day.
• 30:13
  You know,
• 30:13
  I might have to if I've got a
• 30:15
  slew of judges I've got to teach,
• 30:16
  I'm going to have to have some some
• 30:18
  help.
• 30:18
  But I've got resources.
• 30:19
  Med team members are CPR instructors.
• 30:23
  They're willing to come out with me and
• 30:24
  we can teach these classes.
• 30:25
  The big thing is that, you know,
• 30:28
  these classes...
• 30:29
  If you're being taught for an event from
• 30:32
  somebody like me,
• 30:32
  I'm going to be able to give you
• 30:33
  details that aren't just pump and blow.
• 30:36
  You know, it's going to be, hey,
• 30:38
  this is something you might experience on
• 30:40
  the field.
• 30:40
  This is what we're looking for.
• 30:41
  This is what we're waiting for.
• 30:43
  And people that are on the field,
• 30:45
  especially judges.
• 30:47
  are very used to the stress of the
• 30:49
  environment, the high speed,
• 30:51
  low drag setup of those events.
• 30:53
  So they're going to already be attuned to
• 30:55
  it.
• 30:55
  And that's one of the things that these
• 30:57
  EAP full dress rehearsals do.
• 30:59
  You know,
• 31:00
  it gives everybody an idea of what to
• 31:02
  do in an emergency,
• 31:03
  in a traumatic emergency situation like
• 31:06
  that.
• 31:06
  The calmest head wins the day.
• 31:08
  So if people know what to expect,
• 31:11
  they are way less apt to have an
• 31:14
  emotional reaction and more of a logical
• 31:16
  response, which is what we want.
• 31:19
  Jody Lynn,
• 31:20
  all I need to know about CPR I
• 31:21
  learned on The Office, staying alive,
• 31:24
  staying alive.
• 31:25
  Yeah,
• 31:25
  just don't cut somebody's face off and
• 31:27
  wear it.
• 31:28
  Yeah, true, true that.
• 31:32
  So Shanna Bunce, she is a doctor.
• 31:37
  So she wants to know,
• 31:38
  do you ever respond if a spectator goes
• 31:40
  down?
• 31:42
  That's a unique question.
• 31:43
  I'm really glad somebody answer or ask it
• 31:45
  so I can answer it.
• 31:47
  We treat inside the ropes,
• 31:51
  inside the ropes are volunteers,
• 31:54
  staff and athletes or athlete adjacent,
• 31:58
  like a coach.
• 31:59
  The primary function of us is not
• 32:01
  spectators.
• 32:03
  However, we,
• 32:04
  If I have given out one Band-Aid to
• 32:06
  a spectator with a blister,
• 32:08
  I have given out ten trillion.
• 32:10
  So that is the number one thing that
• 32:12
  we do.
• 32:13
  But we are medical professionals.
• 32:16
  If somebody goes down and I am within
• 32:19
  eye shot or ear shot of it,
• 32:21
  I will be there.
• 32:22
  We did that at Rogue.
• 32:24
  We had a spectator have a seizure.
• 32:27
  I have had spectators have, thankfully,
• 32:30
  not a...
• 32:31
  cardiac arrest yet.
• 32:32
  But one of those things,
• 32:34
  if we have those resources,
• 32:35
  we will respond to it.
• 32:37
  Very few events that I work have a
• 32:41
  medical director which opens up the
• 32:43
  treatment that we can place.
• 32:45
  But it is a very big price tag
• 32:47
  for that.
• 32:48
  So we operate on a BLS standard,
• 32:50
  which means that you may have paramedics,
• 32:52
  nurses, doctors are a little gray area.
• 32:55
  If they're local,
• 32:56
  they can operate off their licensure.
• 32:57
  But RNs, LPNs, EMTs, firefighters,
• 33:02
  paramedics,
• 33:03
  we can operate off of that BLS standard
• 33:06
  very easily.
• 33:08
  Very directly.
• 33:10
  BLS mean?
• 33:10
  BLS would be basic life support.
• 33:12
  So that's going to be CPR,
• 33:14
  basic bandaging.
• 33:15
  ALS would be like IVs.
• 33:17
  It would be like a cardiac monitor,
• 33:19
  medications.
• 33:20
  If you've ever come to any of our
• 33:22
  clinics where we don't have a medical
• 33:23
  director and needed like an ibuprofen,
• 33:26
  you will note I did not give it
• 33:27
  to you and neither did any of my
• 33:29
  staff because that is a medication.
• 33:31
  I can set it down and what you
• 33:32
  choose to do with that is up to
• 33:34
  you.
• 33:34
  But I can't give it to you directly.
• 33:36
  I'm not going to start IVs.
• 33:38
  I'm not going to put you on a
• 33:39
  cardiac monitor in the back.
• 33:40
  I'm not going to do that unless I
• 33:41
  have a doctor there who can direct those
• 33:43
  actions under their licensure.
• 33:45
  Does that make sense?
• 33:46
  Yep.
• 33:48
  An event would have to hire a medical
• 33:50
  director to kind of be over that.
• 33:52
  And they are a doctor.
• 33:54
  Yes.
• 33:55
  Okay.
• 33:56
  Yes.
• 33:56
  Wow.
• 33:58
  You think something so simple,
• 34:00
  yet it's way more complicated than you
• 34:02
  could ever imagine.
• 34:04
  Um, uh, back to the volunteer piece.
• 34:08
  And I know, you know,
• 34:08
  I was a judge, I was security,
• 34:10
  all that kind of stuff.
• 34:12
  One of the biggest things is they have
• 34:14
  a number that they want signups to cover
• 34:16
  the event.
• 34:17
  And inevitably you get no shows right
• 34:21
  before the event.
• 34:21
  And I think at the age group games,
• 34:23
  I talked to one of the head judges
• 34:24
  and they lost like judges the night before
• 34:27
  the first event who just never showed up.
• 34:30
  Yep.
• 34:30
  So then all the all the plans you
• 34:32
  have for the personnel that you're given
• 34:35
  are off kilter because you don't have the
• 34:37
  numbers you thought you'd have.
• 34:39
  Is there any like forethought into maybe
• 34:43
  we need to like overpopulate that
• 34:45
  volunteer thing?
• 34:46
  So we because we know we're going to
• 34:48
  get no shows.
• 34:50
  So most of the events that I actually,
• 34:52
  I can pretty much go on record.
• 34:54
  All the events that I work for shoot
• 34:56
  for a higher level.
• 34:57
  They'll ask you how many you need with
• 34:59
  an expectation of covering that gap.
• 35:02
  And, you know,
• 35:03
  I did that for age games, um,
• 35:06
  The age groups,
• 35:08
  I gave them a number and we had
• 35:10
  out of that number,
• 35:10
  we had thirty four people that replied
• 35:13
  back that they were going to be there
• 35:15
  and that they were going to work.
• 35:16
  I went as far as to vet the
• 35:18
  licensure of thirty one of them,
• 35:21
  knowing good and well that three of them
• 35:22
  were probably not showing up because they
• 35:24
  didn't reply to any emails past the
• 35:25
  confirmation.
• 35:27
  And then the day of,
• 35:30
  I have like nine people show up.
• 35:33
  Nobody else can't get a hold of anybody
• 35:35
  there.
• 35:36
  Nobody's replying.
• 35:37
  So in those situations,
• 35:39
  it's always good to have a backup plan.
• 35:43
  I'm a career paramedic, just retired.
• 35:46
  I operate on the worst case scenario every
• 35:49
  time I clocked in.
• 35:51
  So the worst case scenario for me is
• 35:53
  showing up on scene with a bunch of
• 35:56
  untrained personnel that may or may not be
• 35:58
  volunteers and
• 36:01
  me as the only ALS provider with like
• 36:03
  ten or fifteen patients from a wreck or
• 36:06
  a house fire or something like that.
• 36:08
  So I started running these events in that
• 36:09
  manner, like a worst case scenario.
• 36:11
  And I do that at my house two
• 36:13
  to three weeks before that happens.
• 36:14
  I write out the worst case scenario.
• 36:16
  I have this many floors.
• 36:17
  What is the, you know,
• 36:20
  the absolute DEFCON one?
• 36:22
  We don't have a med team and I
• 36:24
  can get down to a very limited number
• 36:27
  of people.
• 36:27
  If I have
• 36:29
  more than two floors and I have less
• 36:32
  than two people, I can't run the event.
• 36:38
  And that is if you base your medical
• 36:40
  care solely off of the people that signed
• 36:43
  up for medical.
• 36:44
  But the caveat to that is if you
• 36:47
  expand into an emergency preparation,
• 36:49
  you really only need one or two med
• 36:52
  leads that know what's going on and can
• 36:55
  direct those people that you read
• 36:56
  crosstag.
• 36:58
  then that expands it out.
• 36:59
  Now, these are all, you know,
• 37:01
  these are all band-aids, if you will,
• 37:04
  that kind of fix the problem at hand,
• 37:06
  but they work and they work well.
• 37:10
  Yeah.
• 37:12
  Yeah, it's a growing problem,
• 37:15
  but I do like the fact the cross-training,
• 37:17
  like having judges with the Red Cross,
• 37:19
  if they have these skills or they work
• 37:22
  in that profession,
• 37:24
  it's a way to use people from other
• 37:25
  teams.
• 37:26
  But my God,
• 37:27
  the plan as a lead with a volunteer
• 37:31
  base and then the stress of we are
• 37:34
  responsible for these people's safety,
• 37:37
  and we don't even know the numbers we're
• 37:38
  getting until the day of the event, truly.
• 37:40
  Yeah.
• 37:43
  And it happens.
• 37:44
  I mean, even since twenty fifteen,
• 37:45
  twenty fourteen, we've you know,
• 37:47
  you'll you'll sign up.
• 37:49
  Forty people and five or six of them
• 37:52
  won't show up.
• 37:53
  You know,
• 37:54
  you're you're just going to you're going
• 37:55
  to have that.
• 37:55
  And thankfully,
• 37:58
  not frequently on the med team,
• 37:59
  but I have had people show up,
• 38:01
  get their free gear and never come back.
• 38:04
  And I would like to say.
• 38:09
  I have a running list of people that
• 38:11
  have done that or been absolutely awful to
• 38:15
  personnel, athletes,
• 38:17
  or just not done their job.
• 38:19
  So if you think you're going to come
• 38:21
  in on my team and work one event
• 38:24
  and get away with that,
• 38:25
  I'm probably not the guy to do that
• 38:27
  to because that list goes vastly farther
• 38:33
  than just the events that I do.
• 38:34
  Yeah.
• 38:35
  When you're a part of that volunteer
• 38:37
  community and people know you're good at
• 38:39
  whatever you sign up for,
• 38:42
  that's why they bring you back over and
• 38:43
  over again.
• 38:44
  And it becomes family,
• 38:45
  just like you talked about off the top.
• 38:49
  Going to events, even to this day,
• 38:50
  the people I volunteered with back when I
• 38:52
  was a volunteer are still some of my
• 38:54
  best friends when I go to the events.
• 38:57
  Um,
• 38:58
  and the connections I have with the
• 38:59
  judging community,
• 39:01
  being able to ask standards, uh,
• 39:03
  from the media pit has been essential to
• 39:06
  what I do today.
• 39:09
  So there's a bunch of questions in here.
• 39:11
  I want to hit a couple of these.
• 39:13
  Uh, Jeffrey Birchfield asks, uh,
• 39:15
  is Sean rocket the, um,
• 39:20
  This is in reference to the medical
• 39:23
  director.
• 39:24
  Is Sean Rock at the games?
• 39:26
  I understand.
• 39:27
  I read the question.
• 39:29
  I'm older,
• 39:30
  but my eyes haven't given out yet,
• 39:31
  so I can read that tiny print.
• 39:34
  Rock at works the events.
• 39:36
  He's not the medical director for the
• 39:38
  games.
• 39:38
  He's a very, very,
• 39:39
  very big component for the games.
• 39:42
  I don't know.
• 39:44
  If you've never met the guy,
• 39:45
  he's just such a good dude.
• 39:47
  So, I mean,
• 39:48
  just like on a CrossFit or like personal
• 39:50
  level,
• 39:51
  he's just a great guy and a very
• 39:54
  big asset to have at any event.
• 39:55
  Yeah.
• 39:56
  And I think, um,
• 39:57
  Siobhan's having them on later this week.
• 39:59
  Awesome.
• 40:00
  So that's really cool too.
• 40:02
  Um,
• 40:04
  do you have people on your team that
• 40:06
  are not medically trained?
• 40:08
  That's, you know,
• 40:09
  that's another good question.
• 40:10
  I do have a handful of spots.
• 40:11
  I keep those for students.
• 40:13
  They're not,
• 40:15
  I won't say that they're not medically
• 40:16
  trained,
• 40:16
  but they may or may not be licensed.
• 40:18
  A good indication of that is in Miami
• 40:21
  every year,
• 40:21
  we work very closely with the Jackson,
• 40:24
  I think it's Jackson Memorial Hospital,
• 40:26
  and they send up their residents with
• 40:29
  their attending and they work with us.
• 40:30
  So they're not, you know,
• 40:31
  they do have a license,
• 40:33
  but it's not qualified.
• 40:33
  quite they're not through yet so they come
• 40:36
  in and they provide services but i
• 40:38
  personally uh emt students nursing
• 40:40
  students i'll allow them in they're just
• 40:43
  not allowed to do direct care they're with
• 40:46
  us and they have to have a chaperone
• 40:47
  so i have groups of people that kind
• 40:49
  of teach them the flow and you know
• 40:50
  that goes about spreading the knowledge of
• 40:52
  how we do this so it goes to
• 40:53
  the next generation i have to keep those
• 40:54
  spots open because there are good people
• 40:56
  out there that just aren't ready yet
• 41:00
  Um, this goes with another one clock,
• 41:03
  a demoralizing thing about learning CPR
• 41:05
  decades ago was that the protocol seemed
• 41:06
  to be frequently changing in the eighties
• 41:09
  and nineties.
• 41:10
  I have no idea what it is now.
• 41:12
  And then Mark Phillips follows up.
• 41:14
  Do you even gives breaths anymore or is
• 41:16
  it all compressions?
• 41:17
  If it's just you, it's compressions.
• 41:20
  That's it.
• 41:21
  And that's all you really need to know.
• 41:24
  You know, they've done tons of studies.
• 41:25
  I'm not going to get deep on this,
• 41:27
  but just a good little tidbit of advice.
• 41:29
  They've done studies on bodies where
• 41:32
  they've filled them with oxygen and then
• 41:35
  stopped and they start doing chest
• 41:36
  compressions.
• 41:37
  And fifteen minutes later,
• 41:39
  they're still pumping mildly oxygenated
• 41:41
  blood.
• 41:42
  You've got to get the blood going.
• 41:44
  So it's just like a car with oil.
• 41:46
  If you stop pumping,
• 41:47
  blood pressure goes to zero.
• 41:49
  It's not moving any air.
• 41:51
  And then you start pumping again.
• 41:52
  First pump, it's moving a little bit.
• 41:54
  Second, it's moving a little bit.
• 41:55
  By the fourth or fifth one,
• 41:56
  now you've got perfusion.
• 41:57
  And then you stop at a hundred or
• 41:59
  a hundred and twenty.
• 42:00
  You stop and then it goes back to
• 42:02
  zero.
• 42:03
  So you want to keep it going.
• 42:04
  And that's really changed with something
• 42:06
  they call pit crew CPR,
• 42:07
  where it's just a continuous CPR,
• 42:09
  like just compressions.
• 42:11
  When in doubt, pump it out.
• 42:12
  Just keep pressing that chest and don't
• 42:15
  stop until you get an AED or something
• 42:17
  on there.
• 42:17
  That's the best advice I can give anybody.
• 42:21
  Mark also asks,
• 42:21
  what about grads without NCLEX, AANP,
• 42:25
  et cetera?
• 42:27
  So that's some of the ones that I
• 42:29
  would talk about.
• 42:30
  You do have some grads that are moving
• 42:32
  through school.
• 42:33
  They're fine.
• 42:34
  I can apply them to that kind of
• 42:37
  student group and will allow them to kind
• 42:39
  of come in.
• 42:39
  They ask questions.
• 42:40
  Another thing people don't realize,
• 42:42
  and you just spoke about it without
• 42:43
  actually naming it, networking,
• 42:45
  working these events.
• 42:46
  You can network,
• 42:47
  and it goes way outside of the sport.
• 42:50
  So having resources in there,
• 42:52
  like let's say you are a grad,
• 42:53
  but you don't have the NCLEX or any
• 42:55
  of the search yet.
• 42:56
  Cause you kind of don't really know which
• 42:58
  direction you want to go.
• 42:59
  Well,
• 42:59
  you have resources to ask if you do
• 43:00
  that.
• 43:01
  So yes, I have those spots.
• 43:02
  Yes, I do involve them.
• 43:03
  I don't have many of them.
• 43:04
  I wouldn't have a team of people like
• 43:06
  that, but I can add one, two,
• 43:07
  sometimes three.
• 43:08
  I think the most I ever had was
• 43:09
  four, but that's a huge event.
• 43:13
  So I want to ask you,
• 43:15
  Going forward in this space,
• 43:16
  if you had your wish for any one
• 43:20
  thing to have at your beck and call
• 43:24
  or the number one thing on your wish
• 43:26
  list,
• 43:26
  what would that be to make your job
• 43:29
  easier and better?
• 43:31
  At all events?
• 43:33
  Yeah.
• 43:35
  One or two more paid medical leads.
• 43:40
  So it's not all on me because I
• 43:43
  can't be everywhere at once.
• 43:45
  And we have that at WFP and we
• 43:48
  have that at Waterpalooza and it's
• 43:50
  expanding and that's at the games as well.
• 43:55
  Having those paid staff puts them on
• 43:57
  another level.
• 43:58
  It gets them there.
• 44:00
  It gives them incentive to be there and
• 44:02
  they help me to be better.
• 44:05
  And I've, you know, you cannot,
• 44:08
  a rising tide raises all ships and anybody
• 44:11
  that says they're the best at what they
• 44:12
  do,
• 44:14
  They're just complacent.
• 44:16
  So you've got to surround yourself with
• 44:18
  people that make you better.
• 44:19
  That's what I've tried to do.
• 44:24
  this is Jake from the base show in
• 44:26
  the U S is a requirement to do
• 44:28
  your CPR for being a trainer.
• 44:30
  I don't believe there is.
• 44:32
  I think it depends on,
• 44:33
  I think it depends on where you get,
• 44:34
  um, where you get your certification.
• 44:35
  I know the, um, level one.
• 44:37
  And if you're going to be an affiliate
• 44:38
  owner, you have to have it.
• 44:39
  You have to have your CPR level two.
• 44:41
  Um, you know,
• 44:43
  your certified CrossFit coach and
• 44:44
  certified CrossFit trainer,
• 44:46
  all of those require CPR.
• 44:48
  Uh,
• 44:48
  I don't know about the personal trainer
• 44:50
  stuff.
• 44:50
  Um,
• 44:52
  I don't know.
• 44:52
  What is that?
• 44:53
  NSCA?
• 44:54
  I mean,
• 44:55
  they'll probably give you a six-pack of
• 44:56
  Coke and let you come in.
• 44:59
  When I got my level one,
• 45:00
  I wasn't required to have CPR.
• 45:02
  Now,
• 45:02
  when I coached at the gym I coached
• 45:04
  at, the box required me to be certified.
• 45:10
  But there was no requirement by law that
• 45:13
  I have it back then anyway.
• 45:16
  I think CPR training goes down to
• 45:18
  integrity of what you're doing.
• 45:20
  If you take it professionally,
• 45:21
  why wouldn't you want to have that?
• 45:23
  If you're wanting to better people's
• 45:24
  lives,
• 45:25
  you're going to get people in that are
• 45:26
  in a terribly deconditioned state.
• 45:29
  Even if they get fit quickly,
• 45:31
  they are for a while at a higher
• 45:34
  risk of a mortality incident like that.
• 45:37
  I think that comes down to a little
• 45:38
  bit of personal accountability.
• 45:39
  I think anybody that's worth their salt is
• 45:42
  going to try to have that.
• 45:46
  It makes you more available to people when
• 45:49
  they know they can not just lean on
• 45:51
  you for encouragement and coaching and
• 45:54
  programming and nutrition advice,
• 45:55
  but also in their worst moment,
• 45:58
  they know you're still going to have their
• 45:59
  back and their best chance of survival is
• 46:02
  to work with you.
• 46:08
  You need some CPR?
• 46:10
  Yeah, that was just for demo purposes.
• 46:14
  I believe that every gym that operates in
• 46:16
  this country should have an AED and their
• 46:19
  staff is CPR certified.
• 46:23
  And I know I've been to gyms that
• 46:25
  did not have that.
• 46:28
  Yep.
• 46:29
  I believe that that should be I think
• 46:32
  that should be something that is legally
• 46:35
  required.
• 46:36
  Like what people don't realize about
• 46:37
  having an AED on site is you go
• 46:39
  you can literally put yourself on a map
• 46:40
  and you may be helping somebody that's not
• 46:42
  a member of your gym.
• 46:44
  Might be somebody at a business next door
• 46:46
  or right down the street and you are
• 46:47
  the closest responder.
• 46:49
  You know, I mean,
• 46:49
  that's that's just what it is.
• 46:51
  And they've become so inexpensive now.
• 46:53
  Like to have that and not need it
• 46:56
  is better than to need it and not
• 46:58
  have it.
• 46:59
  Always.
• 46:59
  Same goes for CPR.
• 47:00
  Yeah.
• 47:03
  Same goes for toilet paper.
• 47:05
  Yeah.
• 47:08
  Jake says, my question would be,
• 47:10
  why wouldn't you do it?
• 47:12
  Because Jar Jar Binks comes in and says,
• 47:14
  only the L three require CPR.
• 47:17
  Yeah.
• 47:17
  Okay.
• 47:18
  Yeah.
• 47:20
  But yeah,
• 47:20
  it only makes sense to have it.
• 47:22
  If you're going to be training people who
• 47:24
  are taking their body to exertion,
• 47:26
  you should have CPR certification.
• 47:31
  Still with me, Hicks?
• 47:32
  Or are you froze?
• 47:34
  I think I may have lost you.
• 47:36
  No, I can see you.
• 47:38
  You froze up on me,
• 47:39
  but you're back now.
• 47:40
  Yeah,
• 47:40
  I don't really know what happened there.
• 47:42
  But I'm still good.
• 47:45
  Can you see me?
• 47:45
  It's one of those radioactive deer.
• 47:47
  That's what it is.
• 47:48
  It must be close to the window.
• 47:50
  There it is.
• 47:52
  Uh,
• 47:54
  Mark Phillips and make it fairly there.
• 47:56
  Samaritan guidelines protection when using
• 47:59
  the AED.
• 48:00
  Yeah.
• 48:02
  Yeah.
• 48:02
  So, um,
• 48:03
  the good Samaritan laws are something that
• 48:05
  we operate off of.
• 48:12
  I think we, we,
• 48:13
  we hit a bad cell signal or something
• 48:15
  for Hicks.
• 48:16
  Yeah, maybe.
• 48:17
  I'm on Wi-Fi.
• 48:18
  I don't really know what's going on.
• 48:19
  I got some storms moving through,
• 48:20
  so maybe that's it.
• 48:23
  I do live in the boondocks.
• 48:28
  I know that Florida has some things.
• 48:30
  If you're an out-of-state medical
• 48:32
  provider, you can come work events,
• 48:33
  and it kind of protects you in that
• 48:35
  way.
• 48:39
  Yeah, but in this country,
• 48:41
  like the Good Samaritan Act,
• 48:42
  I wish it had more strength to it,
• 48:44
  but I don't think it has what it
• 48:46
  used to, and that's a shame.
• 48:49
  Yeah, I agree.
• 48:52
  Um, you know,
• 48:53
  I think safety is at everything I do.
• 48:55
  I'm even, uh,
• 48:56
  in terms of like hunting and stuff, I,
• 48:59
  I have private clients that I coach and
• 49:01
  I have them all develop an individual
• 49:03
  first aid kit.
• 49:04
  Cause you know, we're out in the woods.
• 49:05
  We carry sharp objects with us.
• 49:06
  I actually wrote a couple of articles that
• 49:08
  are on mayhem hunt.
• 49:09
  It's on the website specifically about
• 49:11
  safety in the back country.
• 49:12
  It's the same thing.
• 49:13
  Like you can apply that to every day.
• 49:14
  You should have one in your love box.
• 49:16
  You never know.
• 49:16
  Yeah.
• 49:17
  Yeah.
• 49:19
  Well,
• 49:19
  I'm going to thank you for jumping on.
• 49:20
  I know we're starting to get a bad
• 49:21
  signal with your storms.
• 49:23
  It could be me.
• 49:24
  We have rain here in Ohio today, too.
• 49:28
  But as always, man,
• 49:29
  I like hanging out with my friends.
• 49:31
  Absolutely.
• 49:32
  You've become one of my better ones.
• 49:34
  It always brightens my day when I see
• 49:36
  you at an event and get to hang
• 49:38
  out a little bit.
• 49:39
  No doubt.
• 49:42
  Well, with that, guys,
• 49:43
  thank you for being here.
• 49:44
  If you have any questions,
• 49:45
  shoot them to me.
• 49:46
  I can shoot them to Hicks.
• 49:48
  If you're running an event or interested
• 49:50
  in joining the medical team,
• 49:51
  I know we have some medical people in
• 49:54
  the chat.
• 49:56
  Reach out to Hicks on Instagram.
• 49:58
  Are you still ProMedicHicks?
• 50:00
  That's it.
• 50:00
  That's me.
• 50:02
  ProMedicHicks on Instagram or reach out to
• 50:05
  me and I'll get something to them.
• 50:07
  And everybody's saying thank you.
• 50:09
  uh shanna thanks uh jay birch good to
• 50:12
  see you brother um excellent conversation
• 50:15
  guys thanks so much so yeah um super
• 50:19
  fun and glad to see that we're moving
• 50:22
  in a good positive direction with the
• 50:24
  safety and health of the athletes and
• 50:27
  everybody at the event so thank you for
• 50:30
  doing this man yeah man absolutely i don't
• 50:32
  know when i'll stop or if i'll ever
• 50:34
  Yeah, you never will.
• 50:36
  It's too much fun.
• 50:38
  We'll see you next time on Lunch with
• 50:40
  the Clydesdale.
• 50:42
  Bye.