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ROY Winners, MOY Debate, MLB pitch prop bet limitations announced · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 2: the free agency wish list for the Pirates and on
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  Speaker 2: Friday and they broke the news to Josh Harrison that
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  Speaker 2: the last time they signed a multi year contract for
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  Speaker 2: a free agent was a von Nova in twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: The Harrison reaction was so good, maybe we can you
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  Speaker 2: again in flappands for aj to live react because it
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  Speaker 2: was that good.
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  Speaker 1: It was genuine. Josh didn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: So you know what list He had a great wish list,
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  Speaker 2: but they broke the.
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  Speaker 3: New I'm sure he was probably like, oh, Kyle Tucker
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  Speaker 3: would look nice and right here, it would look nice
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  Speaker 3: and surest.
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  Speaker 2: They did usually do like four categories. They did like
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  Speaker 2: little unrealistic.
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  Speaker 3: Then, which is everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Basically everybody's unrealistic, besides the last one they did, which
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  Speaker 2: was one year death.
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  Speaker 1: Signings, it's true, which is what they do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's when it came up because they were like, Josh,
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  Speaker 2: just so you know, von Nova, they said the last
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  Speaker 2: guy that was signed, you were on the team, and
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  Speaker 2: he was like oh and they were like Nova and
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  Speaker 2: He's like, what.
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  Speaker 3: Nova was after Russell? Yeah, yeah, he was after Russell
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  Speaker 3: Martin obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, Russell Martin was a little before that.
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  Speaker 3: Burnett was traded there, right, he wasn't signed now it
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  Speaker 3: was a one year deal. Russell Martin was in fourteen.
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  Speaker 3: They got him in the off season.
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  Speaker 2: No, three year seventeen, I believe, because I think that's
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  Speaker 2: the largest they've ever given out in free agency.
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  Speaker 1: It's sad that I have always memorized.
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  Speaker 3: That's the biggest project you've ever signed in free agency.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, Russell martinsent sure.
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  Speaker 3: So we're seven, twelve, twelve, thirteen and then fit Or
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  Speaker 3: thirteen fourteen, and then in fifteen, Martin signed with the
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  Speaker 3: Blue Jays off season fourteen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: With Toronto he signed five years eighty two. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 2: almost positive it's the largest.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Two years seventeen.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, that's insane. Yeah, how's Bob gonna do anything when
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  Speaker 3: they get the h when they get a salary camp,
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  Speaker 3: how's he going to be able to afford it?
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  Speaker 1: Well, we would have to have a floor. But that's anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Let's charge charge.
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  Speaker 2: Awards week and we start with Rookie of the Year
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  Speaker 2: Nick Kurtz unanimous duh. Incredible offensive season from me. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean if anyone didn't vote for him, it would
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  Speaker 2: have been shocking.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. The only I mean, the only thing he wondered
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  Speaker 3: is would somebody throw a Wilson Jacob Wilson at him?
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  Speaker 3: You know? But other than that, I mean Roman Anthony.
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  Speaker 3: If he doesn't get hurt, he might steal some boats.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, this was this was pretty pretty, pretty easy
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  Speaker 3: one to pick.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Kurtz's offensive season was insane.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah for Homer game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah it started late a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but no that late. Now do you come up
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  Speaker 3: in May?
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  Speaker 1: I believe May. His first home run, I know was
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  Speaker 1: in May. Do you know what his ops plus was?
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  Speaker 2: It was like one sixty five one seventy three regular
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  Speaker 2: ops one double oh two.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, it's beefee.
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  Speaker 3: It's incredible. You don't see I mean, I want to
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  Speaker 3: see how many MVP votes he ends up getting. That's
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  Speaker 3: always impressive when you see when you see rookies getting
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  Speaker 3: MVP votes, but clearly like and this dude was in
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  Speaker 3: college a year and a half, a year and a
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  Speaker 3: half ago, I mean, how.
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  Speaker 1: Many games played.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, MVP votes will be tough, just because it's
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and seventeen games played for eighty nine played appearances.
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  Speaker 3: Jacob Wilson had this locked up and then he was like,
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  Speaker 3: I got hurt saying it he did make that teammates.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, wait, if Jacob Wilson didn't get.
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  Speaker 3: Hurt and still play, Kurtz still might have got him.
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  Speaker 1: He still would have lost.
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  Speaker 3: No, No, Wilson, Wilson wouldn't have gotten him.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Kurtz was winning no matter what.
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  Speaker 2: Even if Jacob Wilson played a full season, it would
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  Speaker 2: have been an awesome full season.
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  Speaker 1: It's not historic. It's not Nick Kurtz.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, not even close. I mean it's really not. I
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  Speaker 3: love when I love when it's unanimous and like it
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  Speaker 3: should be unanimous. Like, I don't see how Jacob Wilson
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  Speaker 3: can get any votes. Roman Anthony played really well, but
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  Speaker 3: you know, maybe he would have taken some of the
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  Speaker 3: votes if Nick Kurtz wasn't there. Clearly some people thought
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  Speaker 3: he was the second best rookie this year. But I
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  Speaker 3: mean Jacob Wilson, he was hitting. He was leading the
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  Speaker 3: league and hitting for a majority of the season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony received three second place votes, twenty three second place
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  Speaker 2: votes for Wilson in four third place votes. There was
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  Speaker 2: a fourth and a fifth pegged to his name, But
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  Speaker 2: for Kurt's thirty easy. I mean he led rookies in homers,
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  Speaker 2: RBI's run, scored, walks, extra base hits, and yeah, missed
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  Speaker 2: about a month because he was in the minors.
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  Speaker 1: Call him up.
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  Speaker 2: Thirty six homers, one hundred and seventeen games. The OPS
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  Speaker 2: plus at one seventy three. Remember one hundreds league average
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  Speaker 2: one seventy three is superstar. That tied him with Jose.
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  Speaker 3: Don't say the no, you're wrong, it's wrong. It wasn't
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  Speaker 3: there in twenty twelve, Hoose Brady, because I was there
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  Speaker 3: in twenty twelve. He was not on the team, So
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  Speaker 3: that year is wrong. Don't say it. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: correct you.
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  Speaker 1: But the stats not right.
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  Speaker 3: It might be the staff of the year is wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but I can do a quick search. I'm very
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  Speaker 1: fast at these these.
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  Speaker 3: I know he wasn't on the White Sox in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twelve because I was there.
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  Speaker 1: It's just the wrong years.
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  Speaker 3: That's what he said.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't say the year.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm going to say it with the right year
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  Speaker 2: and thank you. Twenty fourteen him with Jose Brady twenty
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  Speaker 2: fourteen best OPS plus for a rookie with at least
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  Speaker 2: four hundred played appearances, in the modern era, which is
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  Speaker 2: since nineteen hundred. That was, yeah, twenty fourteen. Jose braw
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  Speaker 2: very similar stats. I mean more plate appearances for Bray
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  Speaker 2: you but thirty six that year for what.
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  Speaker 3: Plus tax, josea braid is twenty seven, Kurts is twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: Good call, that's true. M hm, that matters.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I played against in twenty ten when he
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  Speaker 3: played for Team Cuba, and I was I remember thinking, dang,
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  Speaker 3: this dude is like he's a grown man, and he
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  Speaker 3: clearly was a grown man. And then four years later
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  Speaker 3: he made it to made it to the big leagues.
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  Speaker 2: Had a very successful run, had a great run, And Kurtz,
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  Speaker 2: I mean at twenty two, you know, it feels like
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  Speaker 2: weren't in it for a while.
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  Speaker 3: But just to remind you, just do this over here,
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  Speaker 3: they're supposed to be better. Yeah, and then they have
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  Speaker 3: a terrible first half and the second half they go off.
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  Speaker 3: Why I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they have good second halves.
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  Speaker 3: You're always They've done this for like a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: years in a row. Now, why do they always have
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  Speaker 3: been learning? They're learning learning. But they've also got a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of guys that have been around now for a
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  Speaker 3: while Bla Day, Rooker, Langeliers. These guys have been around
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  Speaker 3: for a little while now. It's not like these guys
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  Speaker 3: are all in their first year and.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them had been big second half Soderstrom a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of them at big.
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying, but why don't they do that in the
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  Speaker 3: first half?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean the pitching was the problem overall.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Savarino how got off to a bad start, especially
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  Speaker 3: in Sacramento.
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  Speaker 2: There were a couple offenses in the second half of
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  Speaker 2: the season that really went off as had a really
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  Speaker 2: nice second half offensively.
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  Speaker 1: The pitching got a little bit better.
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  Speaker 2: The White Sox, of course, it's a really nice second half.
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  Speaker 2: Some rebuild teams that look better in the second half
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  Speaker 2: of the season. But anyway, for kurts I mean, is
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  Speaker 2: the dream for the modern front office? Right, hits the
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  Speaker 2: ball hard quality, abs can go all fields with the pop.
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  Speaker 1: That's the at bat that you want. And he's big, big, Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Strikes strikes out a lot though too, which is the
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  Speaker 3: dream of the front office. Well, probably not the dream,
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  Speaker 3: but they're just okay with it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're okay with it. Although maybe things change a
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  Speaker 2: little bit after what we saw from a team like Toronto.
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  Speaker 2: Can you get the contacts and the slug balanced out
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  Speaker 2: a little bit better like Toronto did?
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  Speaker 1: Next up, Drake Baldwin. Some thought it would be close.
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  Speaker 1: It was not.
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  Speaker 2: Baldwin wins Rookie of the Year in the National League.
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  Speaker 2: We don't have many catchers that win it. I'll show
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  Speaker 2: you some.
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  Speaker 3: I'm surprised Kate Horton wasn't closer, because if you dig
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  Speaker 3: into Kate Horton's year after he came up, he was
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  Speaker 3: the best pitcher in baseball. You can make that argument
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  Speaker 3: in the second half. He was ridiculously good in the
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  Speaker 3: second half.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it always weird when you're trying to do the
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  Speaker 2: pitcher position player comp It's tough.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. The next question for me is, congratulations Drake Baldwin.
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  Speaker 3: But the Braves also have Sean Murphy under contract. So
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  Speaker 3: you have the rookie of the year catcher and you
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  Speaker 3: have another guy who said he was hurt and now
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  Speaker 3: he got fixed. So do you trade one of them?
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  Speaker 3: You trade Sean Murphy because he's under contract. Do you
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  Speaker 3: sit one of them? Crass? Did you sit one of them?
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  Speaker 3: No chance? You sit one of them? No chance? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I mean that's that's where they're That's where that value is.
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  Speaker 3: Sean Murphy is the highest paid catcher in baseball. Did
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  Speaker 3: you know that? I didn't know that. No good for
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  Speaker 3: him he is. Do you know what he's getting a year?
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was fifteen?
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  Speaker 3: Is fifteen?
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  Speaker 2: Fifteen is the highest for a catcher. Nobody's above that.
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  Speaker 2: Real Muto wasn't above that this year. Or you're saying
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  Speaker 2: going into next year, what's the.
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  Speaker 3: Same in the next year, going in the next year? Okay,
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  Speaker 3: what's Salvey making? Salvey's making more than that? Are you
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  Speaker 3: sure in this Salvy made seventeen? Is just signed a
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  Speaker 3: deal for seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: I thought, I'll get you all these numbers. We might
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  Speaker 2: have to debunk this.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: Two for twenty five for Salvy for the next two years.
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  Speaker 2: He's at twelve and change, twelve and a half. Real Muto,
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  Speaker 2: I think was above.
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  Speaker 3: But agent, he's a free agent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, good sat.
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  Speaker 3: I just I just what do they do? That's the
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  Speaker 3: question for me.
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  Speaker 1: What do they do tandem? One can do some DH time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that takes their value is in the catching Noo,
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  Speaker 3: that's especially I mean Murphy really, Murphy was yes, Platinum
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  Speaker 3: Glove winner. Yeah, Baldwin, I think Murphy. I think Murph
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  Speaker 3: catches more. I'll be honest. I think Murph catches more,
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  Speaker 3: and I think Baldwin dh is more. I mean, if
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  Speaker 3: you look, if you if you dive into the stats,
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  Speaker 3: trade Baldwin stats, there's something to be desired a little
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  Speaker 3: bit behind the plate. You also got to remember what
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  Speaker 3: the pitching staff he was working with, you know they
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  Speaker 3: were they were running new guys in and out all
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  Speaker 3: the time. To learn that in the big leagues. It's
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  Speaker 3: tough enough if you have the same five guys. But
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  Speaker 3: you know, he was asked to do a lot and
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  Speaker 3: carry the load offensively. So if I were to guess,
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  Speaker 3: I see Baldwin dhing a little bit more than Murphy
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  Speaker 3: if stay healthy, I don't know why though you don't
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  Speaker 3: you want to develop Baldwin into a player for the next.
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  Speaker 1: You'll still it'll be a maybe a two third, one
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  Speaker 1: third or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's I think you got a trade. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if they can, but I think they try and
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  Speaker 3: trade him.
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  Speaker 2: They can absolutely trade him fifteen for a first division catcher.
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  Speaker 2: You can trade him, Okay, I don't know. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like they're going to keep him.
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  Speaker 1: I like they're going to yeah, and he's coming off
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  Speaker 1: surgery too.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm just I don't know. It's fascinating because now
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  Speaker 3: they went into this year thinking Murphy was gonna be
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  Speaker 3: the guy, and then Murphy goes down and Baldwin steps
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  Speaker 3: up to a point where now he's the rookie of
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  Speaker 3: the year. You got to play him if you want
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  Speaker 3: him to stick around, you want to develop him. Like
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  Speaker 3: sticking a guy like that as a DH isn't really
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  Speaker 3: good development. But then you're not getting Murphy.
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  Speaker 1: He had hip surgery, that's no joke.
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  Speaker 3: But if he's healthy, he's gonna want to catch.
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  Speaker 2: I think they'll figure it out, and it is really
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  Speaker 2: valuable to have that kind of catch or depth. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this might not be the best example, but Will Smith
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  Speaker 2: gets hurt. Ben road Vettz getting some starts and he
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  Speaker 2: did a really nice job defensively, But then you get
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  Speaker 2: Will Smith back for the bat from the catcher position,
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  Speaker 2: where it's a dead position offensively for many teams.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty valuable if you look.
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  Speaker 2: At one spot in the lineup that for many teams
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  Speaker 2: is not doing much. So last thing here, really two things.
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  Speaker 2: Actually one's a trivia question. Will be quick tenth catcher
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  Speaker 2: to win Rookie of the Year, first one since Buster
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  Speaker 2: Posey in twenty ten and just three in the last
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  Speaker 2: thirty four years.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know the other three? I'll go quick because
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  Speaker 1: we're tight on time.
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  Speaker 2: Mike Piazza nineteen ninety three, Carlton Fisk nineteen seventy two,
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  Speaker 2: Johnny Bench nineteen sixty eight.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that Ale n l are both. I should have
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  Speaker 1: looked that up.
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  Speaker 2: And then the last thing that I really wanted to
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  Speaker 2: get to was Atlanta getting a PPI pick and a
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  Speaker 2: first round for having him on the roster all season
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  Speaker 2: after being a top one hundred prospect entering the season.
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  Speaker 2: That is very valuable for teams, but they lose it
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  Speaker 2: if they sign someone that has a qualifying offer. Now,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: they're not going to sign someone that's a qualifying offer.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know that?
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  Speaker 3: No? I didn't know that. What what kind of deal
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  Speaker 3: do we?
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  Speaker 1: Stupid? Are the rules?
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  Speaker 3: Like? The rules are? So you wait, you get rewarded
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  Speaker 3: for having a Rookie of the Year, but then if
• 15:56
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  Speaker 2: Here's a follow up to the Emmanuel Class Luis Orties
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: pitch rigging scandal. MLB and sports books came out and said,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: and this is really all the major sports books that
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: they're going to limit prop bets very specifically on pitches
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: amid this gambling scandal. And you can read more, of
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: course in The Athletic and a number of other spots
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: that covered this. So what you need to know is
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: pitch level bets are maxed at two hundred dollars and
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: they can't be part of parlay rules. So for example,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: a micro bet on a ball strike or pitch velocity,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: which was the culprit in the investigation here the indictment
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: of Class A and or tease, those are capped at
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: two hundred dollars and you can't include them on parlays.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: If you read that whole story, then you know how
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: there's some significant money made on some of what class
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: did you know?
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Or teas?
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: It was a shorter period of time, But you can
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: also watch yesterday's video clip or segment of us talking
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: about this. The real question from this particular announcement, does
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: it matter? Would it make it a little less tempting
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: for someone like Emmanuel Classe who is accused of pitt ringing?
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Would it make it less tempting because it would make
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: it more difficult for him to conspire with others to
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: make significant money.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing I have with this. We talked about
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: this yesterday. Emmanuel class was in line to make a
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: lot of a lot of money, okay, and from if
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: these reports are accurate and we're not saying they are
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: he was doing this for like five thousand, six thousand,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: seven thousand dollars instead of saying, man, if I just
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: hold off on this, I'm gonna be making twelve ten
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: to twelve million next year. Right. So will it stop people? Hopefully,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: but you never know because some people just can't stop themselves.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: And it's sad, right, It's a sad thing the world
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: that we live in where for everybody, you know, whether
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: it's gambling, alcohol, drugs, whatever, everyone has things. Not everyone,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: but a lot people have things they can't stop themselves
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: from doing, right, And so if it's not about maybe
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: the money, maybe it's about something else. Right, But this
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: is a step in the right direction. And when people
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: ask me, now, when they see me, what about these
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: guys who were banned from gambling? And he's like, you know, you,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: you know whatever, and I say, but it's regulated now,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: so this is why we're catching people. Before it wasn't regulated,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: he would never get caught, so they would never get caught,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: hence the Pete Rose problem. Until the guy got trouble,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: he like, oh, I'm not throw Pete Rose to the bus. Right.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: So, for example, in baseball, do you really think Pete
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Rose was the last major person to do some type
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: of Well, that's a little bit different. I'm talking about
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: a player influencing a game. Do you think you think
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: it was because it definitely happened.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Is the biggest scandal since Pete Rose?
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Agreed?
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well Show was.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Right, but that was a little bit different. That's you know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Show Hay has cleared it. That was his his secondhand.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Dude in this case, do we really think that nobody
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: else was involved in anything for decades? Or was it
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: nearly impossible to catch anyone? Because the thing I hear
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: sometimes now it's popping up left and right. I'm like,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: is it We had one no neighbor in baseball get
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: caught for doing dumb crap with it last year, and
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: then we have two pitchers doing something that. Yes, I agree,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: it's pretty easy to influence because it's just one pitch.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: How much does it affect their performance? Not necessarily a lot.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Here's my question, though, second layer, because yes, I am
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: definitely somewhat biased on this. I like to bet I
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: think regulation has helped catch people. On the other side, here,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: is this enough if you're truly trying to limit this
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: scenario because you can still bet on at bats. There
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: are a lot of other micro bets that you can
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: do crats and if I'm Class A and I'm like, okay,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: it's going to be difficult to make a lot of
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: money on the v lo or the ball strike, there
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: are still a number of other props that he could
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: do and figure out, right, Like, I'm pretty sure. I mean,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: you could bet on a walk, so instead of one
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: pitch off, he could walk one dude, and same thing
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: can happen.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: So is this enough?
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Where do we have to put some limits on more
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: things that involve individuals? Baseball gets tricky with that because
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: you can't impact the game individually and it doesn't.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Necessarily lead to a guarantee that it's going to impact
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: the result. Am I making sense there? Like? Are you
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: catching some one?
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Or is Class A going to say, hey, I'm doing this,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I'm making five to seven grand whatever to try and
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: pull this off even though I'm a millionaire.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I'll just go to a different prop.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think, I mean, I think it all lies.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know if changing the amount per like prop
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: or whatever it is, because if you're if you're changing
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: the prop, then it's like, Okay, then I have to
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: change other props to me. They have to nail this suspension.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: They have to nail this punishment, make an example out
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: of them. Maybe some people say it's unfair if he's
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: found guilty, which we're thinking possibly that's the case. They
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: got to nail. They have to nail them. They can't.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: They can't say, well, you know the new landscape with gambling,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: it's our partnerships. No, you have to squash this right
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: where it starts, because just like you guys were alluding to,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: this wasn't the only case. This is a case of
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: hey found it because of the great regulations that we have. Yeah, right,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: you know, as we talk about this so christ people
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: ask me this all the time. How and I try
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: to give an honest answer. And I've never been approached
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: about this, and I've never, thank god ever had to
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: think about this. But people say, how easy would it
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: be for you as a catcher to influence a game?
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Change the not. I don't know if I could change
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: the outcome of a game, but on these micro bets,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I could definitely influence some things because you could call
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: for a pitch, call for pitches like if it's an
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: over under and it's close. Oh there's a guy on
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: third with two outs. Oh, pass ball or ball in
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: the dirt. I don't really give my a effort gets by.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of things that you could do and
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: I never thought of. I've never really had to, Thank god.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I never would ever want to do that, like ever,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Like that would be the last thing because I'm way
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: too competitive and i would never do that. Plus it's
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: just not the right thing to do. But literally, but
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: but do you see what saying like as a catcher crotch,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: think about like you get to a three to two
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: count and you're like, oh, which is what? Oh, this
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: guy can't throw this pitch for a strike. Let's call
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: that pitch and he walks a guy and they have
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: a there's a walk propt better. But this is my point,
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: there's there's there is a catch the one position. A
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: pitcher obviously could do these, but as a catcher, you
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: could definitely influence some things if you if you were
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: if you got if you were dumb enough to do.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: This, does this limit the temptation at all? The answer
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: has to be yes, it should limit it at least
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: a little bit. It's a little bit more difficult for
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: somebody to make. You got to make it harder, like
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: for class A, even if he was like, you know what,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: the only thing I can really handle is the ball
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: striker the VLO And you can still bet on that
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: they're knocking two hundred dollars bets. You're gonna have to
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: get a lot of people together to make serious money
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: to you know, quote make it worth his time. The
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: answer from others is, well, he wasn't making that much anyway, right,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: But you still need a lot of people to get
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: together on a bet, right, I mean, you need a
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: lot of bets to be placed in a lot of books.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: But then it would also open eyes when all of
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: a sudden like that's kind of what happened, is there
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: was all this money been on one pitch.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. They catch that stuff in five seconds. Now.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: The reason it doesn't come out quickly is there's investigations.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: The investigations are what take forever. They catch that.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: In minutes and Andy pyees maybe I mean Andy Pyes,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: he swung it to one in the dirt that was
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: three foot outside.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: No, it was down, it wasn't outside, it was it
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: wasn't very close. Yeah.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: But anyway, the point is does this help yes? Is
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: it enough for me?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: No?
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I would do some other limitations prop wise. I think
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: there are a few other things that you could look
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: at and say, hey, it would also help if we
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: limit some apat results.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you need to put limits on it.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: And by the way, I'm not I don't want to
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: make this good. I'm not saying any pies to anything.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: It was just example they use.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was the example they used it that
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: was supposed to be a pitch that was a ball,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: and sometimes you guys swing at them.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: My point is yes, So if you want much more,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: this is good point. Much more difficult for somebody to
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: implant a game decision or a over under right, Like
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: they can do it within the game, But if we're heading.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Micro bets are easier to manipulate, way easier to Like
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: if I'm a hitter and I'd tell hey, my first,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: my first, my second at bat, I'm gonna swing at
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: the first pitch, no matter where it is, it will
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: be a strike. I could go up there and swing
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: and miss and it's seven feet outside. Those are limited now,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: but it should be because that makes it tougher.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: But if there's a hitter who wants to strike out
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: in this first step at it's usually pretty easy.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: For them to do that.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I mean someone's got to be really off
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: with their control.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Or you can strike out.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: You can still swing though, I mean, let's say throw
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: it right at you. You can still swing.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: But that's the point is should strikeouts be looked at?
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: And you're getting too deep? A red?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Why am I getting too deep?
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I think you have to start limiting everything. No, I
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think you have.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: To limit everything. I'm just saying, are two categories enough?
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Or should it be more like five or six? Why
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: is that so off?
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Most?
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: I mean you can just keep going and then because
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: everything you say, they can someone can know.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: But if you keep going it, like you said, it's
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: much more difficult to influence that.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Right, like it. Somebody can always listen. Somebody can always
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: figure out a way to influence something if they're if
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: they're that far outside the box and that troubled and
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: that in need of stuff.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: My point is with class A, I argy just everyone energy.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: If what is.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Said is true, he probably looked at it crats like
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: pitch here and there over a ton of pitches over
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: a course of a whole season, no big deal and
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: pretty difficult to catch me on that one damn pitch
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: they did. No, you don't think I've got anything here
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: where it's like, hey, should we push it a little
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: more to a few other props That that to me.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I'm bringing this up because also when I.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Look at the stuff, I look at the consensus from
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: fans and they're like, Eah, there's a few others I
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: can bring up that I think would help to maybe
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: steer tempt hait percentage down, or you could be on
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: the other side, you're like, you know what, if you're
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: that guy, you're gonna be that guy and you're gonna
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: figure out a way, So it doesn't really matter if
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: you limit the dollars.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: He got caught too. Like, I think that's the I
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: think that's more limiting than any like amounts. That's more limiting, Like.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, setting the example and catching someone.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, that that is the biggest in my opinion. I mean,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: when it was going through college basketball, they those guys
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: got those guys got theirs like they done. Career is over, no,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: never a second chance. That's what they have to do.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: They have to do that here again with class and
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: ortis well.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: If the allegations are proven true to any extent, they're
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: never going to play baseball again, and they might face
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: jail time.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I would say those are pretty severe consequences. How much
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: work can you?
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't work for Pete Rose. He Rose did it,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: he got banned for life. He's back though, Yeah, but
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: and definitely banned. It tells they want to they don't
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: want to deal with it anymore. So they want to
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: look like the good guy. That's why I said it.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: That's why I said it. Don't don't try to be
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: the good guy. Don't try to be the like, oh, well,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: you know what. I think he served his time. I
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: think like this is a major integrity. Honesty is huge
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: in our sport. If they don't, if they don't punish
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: guilty people, We're not assuming they're guilty yet, but if
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: they are seen found guilty, if they do not punish them,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: from a Major League Baseball standpoint, then it's not gonna
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what you put the limits to, it
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter where it's at. There's gonna be people that
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: are like, eh, you know what, I'm willing to take
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: the chance. I'm not saying the majority. I'm saying they're
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: still those minorities. But you can never have integrity of
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: the game in question. In my opinion, it's like saying,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: like if there was like owners that owned the team
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: that didn't try to put a winning team out there,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: you could never have that.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Way we do way we do, or another sport where
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: you allegedly pay someone to avoid the salary cap. That
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: story is insane. Anyway, it's a good topic, you know.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: They they felt like they made a lot of progress.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Oh Man for it, announced like he felt like that
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: was a good thing. It's something The question of the
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: of the day here was was it enough? Is that
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: enough to steer anything? There's no way to really know.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: So that's all I got.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Manager of the Year. I think it's a highly debated
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: topic on what constitutes manager of the year when it
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: comes to awards. How do you look at this? I mean, guess,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: give me your pick out of the three. We're gonna
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: pick from the finalists on who you think will win
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: and who should win. And we can start with nationally,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Terry Francona versus Pat Murphy versus Rob Thompson.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Terry Francona. Why because the Reds weren't expected to be
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: any good and they made the playoffs.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: So that's your math.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: That's I'm just thinking how most voter Rob Thompson. They're
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: gonna say, oh, they have this high pay roll. He
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: you know, they had a great record. Pat Murphy won
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: it last year, so they're gonna say, oh, I voted
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: for him last year. I don't want to do it again.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: That's why I think it'll be Tito. Hope it is
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: because then we can finally get Tito on the show.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Right, So they're gonna say, krat we don't want the
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: same jokes from Pat Murphy at the awards event in January.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Who do you think will win? Who would you pick
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: to win?
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Pat Murphy and Pat Murphy. I think they want to
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: get it right. I don't think it's one of those
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: awards where they're like, eh, you know what, let's spread
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: it around. I think it's hard to win, but I
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: also think it's hard to go from like where your
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: team was projected to where the Brewers ended up. And
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: I think that's really the discrepancy. I think Pat even
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: said it last year when we talked to them, like
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: It's like all the Manager of the Year award means
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: is that you your team did really good and everybody
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: thought you stunk. Beforehand, everybody thought the Brewers would be
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: kind of a five hundred team, and they were projected
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: to win eighty one or eighty games something like that,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: which is the highest they'd ever been projected, and then
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: they went out and won the most games in all
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: the big leagues. So I think it's I think it's
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Pat Murphy, and I think I think it's well deserved.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: I don't think I don't think there's there's no shade
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: coming from me on this one.
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  Speaker 2: I think writers look at it most and say predictions, projections,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: who exceeded them and how, And I think there are
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: quite a few writers and sports media members who didn't
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: have the Brewers making the playoffs.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Well also, yeah, they also didn't have the Reds, And
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: think about I don't think Tito's ever won Has he
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: ever won Manager Year?
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I think he probably has, but I can look at it, I.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Don't think he has, so I think also there's also
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: a little point of where I don't think he has
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: because he's always had good teams that were expected to win.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: I really think he's every one, the Guardians, the Indians.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Never mind, he's won three times.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I think he's got But what's the.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Thirteen, sixteen, twenty two, there you go, and twenty five.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: So he's going to be a four time now I
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: can still come on, you can still come on. Now
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: he has an open invite. He just you know.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I think the expectations for the Reds were pretty close
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: to the expectations for the Brewers, whether they should have
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: been or not.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: But I just think people are going to look at
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: it and say that the Brewers kind of were, you know,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: they didn't get up to they want to. They obviously
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: didn't get on to a great start, but they once
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: may hit, they just kind of kept going. The Reds
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: were kind of like and then all of a sudden
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: at the end they took off. And they're going to say, oh,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: this was the manager. And again, it shouldn't be the
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: way when we get into the MVP discussion where it's
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: going to be the same thing. There is little bit
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: of fatigue about voting for the same guy two years
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: in a row. I get that, and we get to
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: the American League, it's going to be the same thing.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: But did the Reds make it, or.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: The Reds made it? Did the Reds made the playoffs?
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I know, but the Reds made the playoffs, they didn't
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: go on?
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Or did the Mets loose? Yeah, the Red's made the playoffs.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: That's all I know. I prefer to look at it
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: from a positive standpoint. You guys are trying to bring
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: me down with the negative.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: You're a glass that full, guy, We're not the American
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: League Manager of the year. Who do you think will win?
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: And who should win? John Schneider versus Steven Vote versus
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Dan Wilson. That's a good competition, right.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Dan Wilson's out on this one. For me? Why just
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: because they've been close, they've been in the playoffs. John
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Schneider is gonna win, He should win.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Wait, but why are you writing off Dan Wilson.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: I just don't think he's the people don't know enough
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: about him. I just think he's, you know, the next catcher.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: They don't get enough love. I wait, these guys are
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: all catchers.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Never mind they all won the division, I know, I know. Wait,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: the Mariners never make the playoffs, I mean very rarely, right.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: I just think I just think people are gonna look
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: at it and say John Schneider in the American League East,
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: there is a little bias there. They were they were
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: talking about it being fired before the year. He was
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: on the hot seat and the postseason doesn't matter. It's
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: to vote it before. But they won the East. They
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: beat the Yankees, they beat the Red Sox, and John Schneider,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: after all that he's taking, is gonna gonna win.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: For the record, I agree with you. I think Schnyder wins.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Us there's gonna be a little fatigue. We voted for
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: steam Boat last year.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Right, and.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: The Guardians had a great run towards the end of
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: the year, but the Tigers also were.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: So did the Tigers lose it or did the Guardians
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: win it? Well for me, but right back at.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: You, the Tigers lost it and the Mets lost it,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: and I think there's so then so.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Then he shouldn't get votes either. He just made my margament
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: for me. Thank you.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: But I said, I agreed with you.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: I know the crats is gonna say Vote's gonna win.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: No, I think he's gonna say Schneider Kratz.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: I think I think Schnyder's gonna win. But I think
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Dan Wilson should be ahead of I know they don't
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: get out, you know what the voting was, but I
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: think I think Dan Wilson should be ahead. The fact
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: that the Mariners for years have just historically collapsed at
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: the end of the year, travel concerns, didn't trade for somebody,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: whatever it is, that's what they do, that's what they've done.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: And when they went in to Houston and swept the Astros,
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: I think Dan Wilson should deserve a lot of credit
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: for that. Did he have the MVP. Absolutely, Did he
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: get two big trade pieces at the trade deadline? Absolutely,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: But he did something in a place where you know,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: it hasn't been done before. So I think Dan Wilson
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: should be higher up there. But I think Schneid should
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: win it. I mean, one, I'm biased, he's my roommate. Two,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: they had the second best record in all of baseball.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: They did it in the American League East, and nobody
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: while people had picked them the last two years, they
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: had given up on picking them this year because they
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: finished last in the AL East last year and you
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: know see how close they got ye.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Last to first winning the East. I'm with you, Schneider.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: That's a good one. Yeah, they all had really strong
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: cases in the American League for what they did.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: I just I just don't think Dan Wilson will get
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: the love.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: There's some good chatter going on in the chat, some
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: people not loving Dan Wilson, but I think that is
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: probably the postseason that doesn't count. You're still had to
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: talk about it, but that doesn't count.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Huh. Listen, Dan Wilson had a great year. But I
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: also think they went in so the way I think
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: the voters look at manager of the years who went
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: into the season with the least amount of expectations and
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: who exceeded those expectations. The Marriers went into the year
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: and there were a lot of people are like, hey,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: they're going to be pretty good. They should win eighty
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: they should win fifty four percent of their games. I
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: know that's what's kind of gone away now, but they
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: should win eighty five to ninety games. They won one
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: ninety games or whatever it was. And then whereas the
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Guardian and the Blue Jays, the Guardians like, well, we
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: sold our whole team away. We don't have anybody. We
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: have no more Naylor. You know, da da da da dah.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: So they're not really expected to win. They still win
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: the division. And then the Blue Jays finished last last
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: year in the East. I was supposed to be loaded,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: and they won the division. So that's why as good
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: of a job as Dan Wilson did, I just think
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: the other two And it's that's why I think Tito too,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Because I think Tito. I think they're over under was
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: like seventy eight.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Or something going into the season, right.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: So they exceeded those expectations. And the way the year ended,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: people are going to say that was all Tito, because
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Tito did this right people throughout the oh Tito September
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: stat or whatever. Yeah, exactly. So that's why I think
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: that that's why those two will win. Plus, they don't
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: want to see Pat's tired act again. They don't want
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: to see votes tired acting Manny tired acta.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I always like that.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Dan Wilson's bens coach as much as as much as listen,
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: we love Voter and we love Murph.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Don't underrate how much people love Murphy. Your great SoundBite,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: he's entertaining as hell. That doesn't hurt you know, and hey,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: in seriousness, if you're trying to be really serious with this.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: His style is pretty different.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: He'll be like, yeah, this guy, He'll essentially say it, yeah,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: this guy sucked, bentioning him for a couple of days.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Nobody does that anymore. That is a different style, and
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: clearly it worked in the regular season for the Brewers, right,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: who else does that? I mean to use an example
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: like Aaron Boone will fight to the death in my
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: mind too much to be like, oh, you know he's
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: going through this that, or like come up with excuses
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: and Murphy's just like, yeah, he sucks. I told him
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: he sucks, and I call him some other name, you like,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: makes a joke out of it, serious and kind of kidding.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: And then he's like, so I bentioned for has.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Short legs and we got arrested.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: We keep running around, remember that one.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Let's slap. First off, a new Monster Territory.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: A Red Sox show is out there with Robbie Hyde
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: interviewing special guest Sam Kennedy, the president of the Boston
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Red Sox. Great interview, very much worth a watch and
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: a listen. Maybe tomorrow we'll take a clip from that
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: show and have you guys break it down again. That's
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Robbie Hyde with Sam Kennedy, President of the Boston Red
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Sox for a deep dive combo.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Check it out. Next up, Kratz hats.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: What do you got? COPA Diversity owned series for the
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Scranton rail Riders. I really like it. I really like it.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: I'm not even actually sure what the character is, but
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: i know it's the COPA Diversity owned series.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I really like it too.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: And lastly, but most importantly, actually on our way out
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: today is veteran today, so we would like to honored
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: those that served. And here's a tweet from the Reds
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: and many other teams obviously putting things out on socials.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you to all the courageous individuals who have served
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: our country.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: So yesterday it comes to the golf tournament Folds of honor.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: How was that big veterans in one your anniversary me
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: jumping out of a plane. So I was, it was great.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: It was awesome. Listen, they do a great job. You
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: check my instagram. There's a great the service they did.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: In before they play taps and they play all the
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: military songs, they do a twenty one gun salute, they
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: sing the anthem, it's moving, and then you have the veterans,
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: a lot of disabled veterans come and play golf with you.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: So it's it's it's special. It's special. So thank you
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: for everyone that has served and people that are continuous serve.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're always thinking about people like that, but today
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: extra extra attention. You're on Veterans Day, So if you're watching,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: or some people are off from school or work or whatever,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: we're here. We're hustling, but we're thinking about the bets.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: I think MLB does a really nice job, by the way.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I mean we don't have Veterans Day during the season,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: but Memorial Day, really anything related to service and the military.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: MLB does a really nice job during the season too. Hey,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: I can be as critical as anyone out there, but
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: they crush it on that front.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: So thanks everyone. Good show.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: We have Brit TROLLI hosting tomorrow.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I'm back on Thursday.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Tricia Whitaker stopping by for a little hosting on Friday.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Switching it up, and I think, Krats.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: You've got somebody Friday that's not Todd Father because I
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: think he's still away.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Kizzle Drizzle.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: It is k Pizzle Drizzle. Tricia Kratz and Pollar on Friday.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Nice