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Justice Legion of Doom · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, at the Hall of Justice.
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  Speaker 2: This is about as loud as I'm going to get.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to stay super... That's not normally the case,
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  Speaker 2: I realize. I'm sad. I'm not angry. I'm at that point.
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  Speaker 2: I think now that we're here... Because it's been so long,
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  Speaker 2: but now that it's here and it's out and I
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  Speaker 2: saw it, it's like... It's been an emotional rollercoaster. I'm
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  Speaker 2: Jenna Bush and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 3: It's showtime.
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  Speaker 4: It is intended for mature audiences and parental discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 2: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 5: Hey Superman!
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  Speaker 2: Well, hello there young man.
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  Speaker 1: What's your name?
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  Speaker 4: Kenneth Giles. Can I shoot you?
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  Speaker 2: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I am Brian.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Jacqueline.
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  Speaker 2: I'm David.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm Phillip.
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  Speaker 2: And we're coming to you live via digital recording from
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  Speaker 2: Grendel and Zuzu's House of Fun. Something to that effect.
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  Speaker 2: They look pretty excited. Look out. It's very Christmassy.
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  Speaker 4: Grendel's bougie mansion.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it is Christmassy. I just noticed.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, it's one set of string lights.
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  Speaker 2: There is nothing else. Yeah, because you're kind of pushing
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  Speaker 2: your luck.
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  Speaker 4: There's nothing else going on here. It's just some pretty
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  Speaker 4: string lights.
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  Speaker 2: It's either drug house or Christmas. Thank you. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a little Stranger Things kind of a tribute. It's
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  Speaker 2: a little Stranger Things, yeah. You also talk to him sometimes?
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  Speaker 2: I mean... Okay, yeah, we'll take that as yes. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was giving somebody hell earlier today for that. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, look, let's just lay out some ground rules. Like,
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  Speaker 2: don't start one holiday until the other one's gone. If
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  Speaker 2: we haven't finished Halloween, I don't want to see your
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  Speaker 2: Christmas stuff. I can tell you that. Nobody really jumps
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  Speaker 2: the gun on Thanksgiving usually. But I'm like, definitely, you
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  Speaker 2: can put up everything in your house the day after Thanksgiving. Hell,
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  Speaker 2: after you're done eating turkey, you can start putting it up.
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  Speaker 2: I'm fine with it, but just let us finish one
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  Speaker 2: before you start the other. Now, I know that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: apply to stores, because they don't listen at all, but
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  Speaker 2: just people, let's all make a rule. Just wait until
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  Speaker 2: we're done with Thanksgiving, and then put up your Hanukkah stuff,
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  Speaker 2: or whatever it is you do.
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  Speaker 4: You come into my house, and you start Shitting on
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  Speaker 4: my lights.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't say that. I said yours were Stranger Things.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, they're Stranger Things.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 4: They're spooky, that's all.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have a tree. You don't have any other craziness.
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  Speaker 1: Have you seen the Stranger Things Ouija board?
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  Speaker 2: I think I saw it on the internet.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty sweet because where the letters are, there's a
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  Speaker 1: little drawing of a Christmas tree light.
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  Speaker 5: That's kind of awesome.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty neat.
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  Speaker 2: But no, I don't even count lights necessarily as Christmas
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  Speaker 2: because for a while I had lights up everywhere when
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  Speaker 2: I had a place to put them. I had lights
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  Speaker 2: up all over the place, a good portion of which
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  Speaker 2: were Halloween when I bought them, but they weren't Halloween
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  Speaker 2: lights to me. I just like lights, so I just
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  Speaker 2: put them up everywhere. I assumed those were up all
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  Speaker 2: the time.
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  Speaker 4: No, it's just that once the sun went away forever,
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  Speaker 4: I get sad, so I was like, I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: put these up early, even though they're a little cheerful.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, cheerful. Like this episode's gonna be.
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  Speaker 6: So positive.
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  Speaker 2: Before we get to that, we were, yeah, outside we
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  Speaker 2: were already like trying to talk about other movies. So,
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  Speaker 2: did we want to, I've got one we can go
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  Speaker 2: to to wrap it up Marvel-wise if somebody's, have you
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  Speaker 2: started watching? I watched, are you gonna say Punisher? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I watched the first two episodes. I got, I got
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  Speaker 2: through one. How is it? It's, it's strange. I'm getting
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  Speaker 2: to that point where I think it really is kind
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  Speaker 2: of downhill since Iron Fist. Because even Defenders was good,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm looking back now, examining the writing after seeing
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of Punisher, I'm just like, who's writing now?
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  Speaker 2: This is not the same depth of character and stuff
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  Speaker 2: going on. How many times can we watch his wife
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  Speaker 2: wake him up in the first episode? I get that
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  Speaker 2: his family's dead, but man, it's like, And it's shot
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  Speaker 2: like porn. She's just like waking up. I'm not playing.
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  Speaker 2: It's shot like she's just waking up in the morning,
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  Speaker 2: but she's just giving him like, we just had eight
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  Speaker 2: hours of sex face.
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  Speaker 1: The whole time.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just like, oh my gosh, come on. Like
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  Speaker 2: we noted his family's dead. Why are you hammering this
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  Speaker 2: into our head? Kind of what I was wondering, like
• 5:20
  Speaker 2: coming out of his take on the second daredevil there,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, we already got a pretty good introduction to,
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  Speaker 2: granted we didn't, initially get it from the get-go, it
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  Speaker 2: was a little more flashback, but... They did a pretty
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  Speaker 2: good job of setting him up in that Daredevil. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like it worked in that Spider-Man mode.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, oh, well, we got enough of him
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  Speaker 2: in this other thing where we know where he's coming
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  Speaker 2: from so we can just go. But no, I guess not.
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  Speaker 2: I guess we're starting from scratch. Well, when I... Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: when they announced it, I was like.
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  Speaker 4: I'm eight episodes in. So I wouldn't say that they're
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  Speaker 4: starting from scratch.
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  Speaker 7: Well, just.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, maybe the first episode or two.
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  Speaker 2: I just felt like the family and stuff was going
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  Speaker 2: to be understood now. So I guess for the first
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  Speaker 2: episode to see the wife and kid... Well, in the
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  Speaker 2: second episode, it's still going on. The wife and kid
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  Speaker 2: so much. And I'm like... can't you just say the
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  Speaker 2: nursery rhyme before you kill people and we know like
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  Speaker 2: seriously though that's that reminder that this is what this
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  Speaker 2: is for I was also when they announced that coming
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  Speaker 2: out which I was like okay he did a good
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  Speaker 2: job I can see them wanting to do something else
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  Speaker 2: with him but I'm like what are we gonna do
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  Speaker 2: with this character because that always becomes the issue and
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  Speaker 2: I know I've tried to kind of separate that there
• 6:21
  Speaker 2: is a difference between superhero comics and just comics you
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  Speaker 2: know it is based on a comic property that's fine
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be like Haha, Superman. But at
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  Speaker 2: some point, I'm like, when are we not watching a
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  Speaker 2: quote-unquote hero? We're just watching a sociopath kill people. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that is true. And that is the publisher.
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  Speaker 2: I understand. That's why I'm trying to like, no, that
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  Speaker 2: is the comic. He is still just out and out
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  Speaker 2: killing people in the comic. He's definitely a hot topic,
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  Speaker 2: even in the Marvel Universe. The heroes... You know, like,
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  Speaker 2: it's a very love-hate with him. And ironically, Captain America
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  Speaker 2: is one of the few people that kind of vouches
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  Speaker 2: for him. It's just like, it's PTSD. He was a soldier.
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  Speaker 1: His family.
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  Speaker 2: And he's usually the main guy to defend him because
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  Speaker 2: everyone else is like, he's fucking psychotic. Which he kind
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  Speaker 2: of is. Even in episode one, he's already, you know,
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  Speaker 2: no spoilers, but he's killing people.
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  Speaker 1: Surprise.
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  Speaker 2: So like, yeah, they're criminals, but they're pretty much, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they're basically high school bully level of criminals that I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: And he just offs them pretty easy. So I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: where do we stand with him? And is this the,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, again, as I'm only at the first
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  Speaker 2: episode in, but I'm like, where else can we get?
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  Speaker 2: Is it going to have a place to go? That's
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  Speaker 2: better than that. That is not just, so you're further in.
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  Speaker 2: It does.
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  Speaker 4: I made episodes. And I mean, it's not that I
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  Speaker 4: don't like the writing and stuff is still kind of
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  Speaker 4: the same, but it goes into a, you know, a
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  Speaker 4: pretty complex kind of conspiracy. And then there's like a,
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  Speaker 4: a kind of terrorist kind of person who comes.
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  Speaker 2: In and like, is there a villain or is it
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  Speaker 2: a just infamous group kind of thing?
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  Speaker 4: Like, it's more, it's more like villain, but with like,
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  Speaker 4: kind of like a organized institutional structure surrounding that person.
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  Speaker 2: Cool. I remember just being kind of freaked out. I
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  Speaker 2: saw it was going to be 13 episodes again. Cause
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  Speaker 2: I was like, man, 13. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So I am like, this could have been done by
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  Speaker 4: now where I'm at. I'm like, this could have been.
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  Speaker 2: Over, but I'm still enjoying it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm still like, I'm going to keep watching it to
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  Speaker 4: the end.
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  Speaker 2: Cool. I mean, I will finish it. I just, like
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  Speaker 2: I said, the family in particular was what was kind
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  Speaker 2: of getting me. It's like, man, we know this.
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  Speaker 4: It's a recurring thing throughout the series. I think it's
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  Speaker 4: less like whamming over the head as in the first episode,
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  Speaker 4: but it's still like he has these little nightmares. It's
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  Speaker 4: not always the wife just waking him up, but little
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  Speaker 4: memories of that.
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  Speaker 2: But you can't show the kids getting shot every morning,
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  Speaker 2: so I guess it's easier. In this series, did he
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  Speaker 2: always have two kids? I swear I don't remember. I
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  Speaker 2: thought there was two. I think in the comic he did.
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  Speaker 2: I think they emphasized the daughter so much to get
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  Speaker 2: the nursery rhyme along. I think in the shots of
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  Speaker 2: the playground there were two kids. I just kind of
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  Speaker 2: remember just the one and the wife and them getting killed.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, did they create another kid? I was like, no,
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  Speaker 2: in the comic he had two kids. I just know
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  Speaker 2: at this point I wish it would have deviated from
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  Speaker 2: Daredevil more. I felt weird that I would have understood
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  Speaker 2: him going back and avenging anyone that had to do
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  Speaker 2: with his family's death, but it just feels too connected
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  Speaker 2: at this point to me with the other stuff. It's like, man,
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  Speaker 2: I wanted him to do this whole other thing now.
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  Speaker 2: And so for him to kind of be tied to
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  Speaker 2: the city and everything going on in a Defenders universe,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I'm kind of over the city a little.
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  Speaker 2: You can't have five, six, seven guys in this one city.
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  Speaker 2: All in the same borough. Especially when you're wiping out
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  Speaker 2: the villains with every season.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, guys.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, just I guess at this point, I'm
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  Speaker 2: just not real happy with what seems to be the focus.
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  Speaker 2: 11 more to go. Just thinking back, it's funny because
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  Speaker 2: I did as much as I lean more towards Marvel characters. Now,
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  Speaker 2: when I was reading comics growing up, I did end
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: up with a lot.
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: More DC stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever read any of Vigilante? It was basically
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  Speaker 2: DC's version of the Punisher. But I felt like it
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  Speaker 2: had some amazing artwork. Some of those covers, I have
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  Speaker 2: them all because they're So well done. So it's like
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  Speaker 2: artwork wise, it was amazing. But I also feel like
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  Speaker 2: it had more of a moral compass to it because
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't even just like he wasn't just a soldier
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  Speaker 2: or he wasn't like a cop. Like he as his
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  Speaker 2: profession was a judge. and he was a judge kind
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  Speaker 2: of thing he was a well I mean he was
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  Speaker 2: a judge in the real world and his wife and
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  Speaker 2: kids or kids got killed and he then became this
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  Speaker 2: vigilante killer by night but was still working the bench
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  Speaker 2: so it really became that like judge jury and executioner
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  Speaker 2: all in one dude and it was kind of like
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  Speaker 2: but I feel like he almost had a little more
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  Speaker 2: of a code to him he wasn't such a loose
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  Speaker 2: cannon he really did have so I feel like it
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: had a bigger thematic thing to work on that I
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: I kind of wish they would figure out, which again,
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: it sounds like there's potentially more. That's what I want.
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  Speaker 2: It might be that they have to create that. I
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: was not a Punisher comic reader, but just from being
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: in the comic universe, my impression of the Punisher was
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  Speaker 2: always that, like you said, he's a psychotic, I don't
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: want to say asshole, but he's that gun-toting guy you'd never, ever, ever, ever,
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: ever want to even know kind of guy. So it's...
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's why it was fun seeing him used
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  Speaker 2: in Punisher. I feel like he still had that crazy...
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: Not Punisher. In Daredevil. I feel like in Daredevil, he
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  Speaker 2: still had that I could snap any second kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: He is a loose cannon.
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  Speaker 1: That made you.
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  Speaker 2: Even if you're on good terms with him, you kind
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  Speaker 2: of still didn't want to be in a room with him.
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  Speaker 2: And I feel like, again... I don't know fully, but
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  Speaker 2: that's the impression I'm getting now is that he's all
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: right to be around. He's a good guy. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I never got that impression in a comic.
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  Speaker 4: They're making him seem really reasonable.
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  Speaker 2: In a comic, it was like he just had that
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  Speaker 2: one just tunnel vision. I'm here to shoot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Particularly shoot and torture to get whatever information I need,
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  Speaker 2: kill people to do this. Like it's the full on
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  Speaker 2: 200% vigilante.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so- And again, I agreed. I liked how they
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: used him in Daredevil, but now that was my thing
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: going into it. He's like, how do you make this
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  Speaker 2: a good guy?
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  Speaker 4: He's a fighting protagonist now.
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  Speaker 2: He's not even an anti-hero.
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  Speaker 4: He's just hero this season.
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  Speaker 2: How do you tell a bigger story about somebody who's
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: not that deep? Especially with current events. Oh my gosh.
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: You want a guy that just shoots a whole bunch
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  Speaker 2: of people constantly to be a hero now? That's where
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: we live now. It's sad that that's kind of churches
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: concerts and schools and just like the last month good
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: luck with that yep crazy so hopefully they can find
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: something good to do with it any cameos yet uh
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: other than minor characters like well i mean what's her
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: name the lawyer crosses over now she's well i mean
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: it's she's the peanut butter in all of this she's
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: just to link people together because in the comic she's
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: not that i thought that was rosario dawson She is
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: the peanut butter from my Reese cup, but that's just me.
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  Speaker 4: Not that I've noticed.
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: I could use Rosario Dawson. I was hoping for it.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they kept it quiet, and I don't know, Murdoch
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: or someone would drop in. Dolph Lundgren chose that. I
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: was actually just... Seems kind of random. But I was
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: kind of upset with three Thor movies. We never got
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: that little girl from Adventures in Babysitting as a cameo.
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: I wanted her in one of the movies. Vincent D'Onofrio.
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: Even if nobody knew who she was, just have her
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: walk by and just let us know in the credits.
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: That was that little girl in Adventures in Babysitting. He's
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: still her hero. It's all right. That's the weird, because
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: I just went back, because I played it on the
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  Speaker 2: show recently, that little clip, and I went back and
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: watched that clip, and I'm like, Oh my God. He
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: looks good. D'Onofrio is like a stick. Like, first of all,
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: he looks 12. And on top of that, he's so skinny. Like,
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  Speaker 2: he's got cheekbones. As opposed to now, he's just that
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: he became the big round dude that we needed Kingpin
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  Speaker 2: to be. But it's like now, it's like looking back,
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, I didn't remember you were ever that thin.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we watched that about a month ago, just on
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  Speaker 1: a whim.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of holds up. And he shows up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it did hold up pretty well. I don't, I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that scene where with, The use of the word homo,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I forgot about it. That's 80s, man. I'm telling you.
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: That's the 80s. I know. I know it's the 80s.
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  Speaker 2: That's the 80s. That definitely is. Man, there's so much.
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  Speaker 2: But I forgot about that. Again, you, I guess, over-oranticized
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: the 80s fun in your mind. You're like, oh, no.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: That was such a... That was a genuine insult at
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: the time. It was. And speak. Unfortunately. It was one
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: that was used very lightly.
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  Speaker 1: Very lightly, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I remembered.
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  Speaker 8: But yeah.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: It got thrown around a lot.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: But my wife and I got into an argument because
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: she's like, who is that guy? His voice sounds familiar.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: I was like, is it Vincent?
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  Speaker 6: No.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: I swear to God, it is.
• 14:52
  Speaker 9: It is.
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  Speaker 3: Just.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: 30 years and a couple hundred pounds i mean it's
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  Speaker 2: the one.
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  Speaker 1: Role is probably the least crazy he's ever appeared in
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  Speaker 1: a role yeah he doesn't have much to do on
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  Speaker 1: that one no he just kind of shows up and
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  Speaker 1: looks good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah he does look still kind of a jerk
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: for most of his yeah screen time oh yeah over
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: 50 dollars yeah i know really actually really it's over
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: five dollars by the end you know And who fixes
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: your car for $ 50?
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Even in the 80s.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Even in the 80s. What world was this?
• 15:23
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: So the other one we were, yeah, when we got outside,
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: we were just like, your question was the Pacific Rim
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: sequel to, what do we want to, did everybody have
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: that on the front? I've seen a trailer. Yeah, I
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: had it last time too. So I don't know.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: I never got around to watching the first one. I've
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: heard mixed reviews on it.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: I did and I had issues with it.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: But I kind of like, It was one of those,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: I'm still glad I saw it, and it was fun
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: in the theater.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: It was giant robots versus giant monsters.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: You know, I think, I just think it's like one
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: of those movies you watch, have a lot of fun
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: with whenever, with or without alcohol, with or without friends. Wait, which,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Starship Troopers? Pacific Rim. I'm saying Pacific Rim is like
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: the new Starship Troopers. Because to me, Starship Troopers not
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: only holds up, it's gotten better and better. Like the
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: weird stuff that he puts in there below the surface
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: that like, it's dumb fun for the most part. And
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: then there's a little vein of like, Oh no, he's
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: kind of got a bigger theme he's working with here. Like,
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's as dumb as people originally. Is
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: it not based on a book? I thought it was
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: based on a book.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: So maybe that's based on a book that by all accounts,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: the forever I've talked to says amazing.
• 16:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: And again, he's usually making weird comments on society. I mean,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: you know, come from RoboCop to this, it's like, He
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: has stuff to say about humanity, and it's not very
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: nice usually. I feel like he's making comments in Starship
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Troopers that kind of gets overlooked because of the bug guts.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: But I think that one not only holds up, it's
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: kind of improved as time goes. But I don't know.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: It looks fun, and I'm hoping maybe they learned some
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: lessons coming off of the last one that I'm surprised
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: it's going to be in theaters. It looks like, yeah,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: it does seem like something that would get bumped straight
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: to maybe Netflix now.
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: But I feel like that was my main issue, was
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: that there's no character development. Like, even with Amazing Actress,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: you have Trisoba in it. Nothing to do. Like, they
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: have no character development on him, and he's kind of
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: our main guy. So I'm hoping they learned better. something
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: from that, and they're giving it to somebody to write.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Because even in the trailer, it looks like it's already
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: got a little more going on. So I'm hoping that's
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: where they improve. Because the battle scenes are great. That's
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: what the whole movie is centered around. So they did
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: that fine the first time, but there was so little
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: otherwise to work with. I didn't feel like anything looked
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: bad at first. I thought the combat was all fun.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: The characters were just kind of over the top and
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: comic bookish in her personalities. The caricatures for the most part. Like,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: and even our main, like, again, we've got the female
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: lead and she has no personnel. Like, they never expand
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: on her. And I'm like, how did this? And she
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: should have been in that Ghost in a Shell movie. Yeah.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: That's so infuriating. I think we grabbed Scarlett Johansson. When
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: that movie, when the first Pacific Rim came out, there
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: was a huge cry of like, oh my gosh. This
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: is it. We found it. If you do Ghost in
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: a Shell, there she is. And, yeah white girls.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: No offense no no of course it's like in some
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: ways well one yes 100% like should not have been
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: a white girl but at the same time I also
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: think about um like animes and like Japanese comics like
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: they have internalized white beauty as the ideal. So they're
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: always trying to make characters look white.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: They so lean into it.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: They want her to be white.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: It's a big cliche in anime that there's that one
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: blonde girl, that girl that's from the West, that foreign
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: exchange student kind of thing, and she's always the smoking
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: hot one because she's blonde. And it's just like... They
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: always have the biggest, roundest eyes.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: And I'm like.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Just embrace who you are. Like, why are you fighting
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: so hard? I read a theory a while back, back
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: at Suncoast, actually. I forget what book I was looking at.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I read a theory on early anime and why did
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: the big hair and big eyes happen. It was claiming
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: because the drawing styles were so similar that no one
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: could tell people apart by name only. So they started
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: introducing all these wild hair colors and eye colors to
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: help you kind of associate who's who. Because just everyone
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: kind of drew everyone the same. But yeah, it's definitely
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: way out of control now. I mean, anime is super simple.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: It became not only a style. but it did it
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: did start to feed upon itself early 80s especially late
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: 70s and the guys and the girls even look alike
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: yeah i mean there's a lot of people in general
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: so it is it is kind of tricky with the
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: old stuff like imagine watching that in black and white
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: it would have been It would have been tough. You'd
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: lose everything. It would have been tough. There's a lot
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: of talking. I don't know what's going on right now. Wait,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: that's me with a lot of anime anyway. I don't
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: know what your plot is. This is complicated. So, I
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: don't know. Any other interesting trailers? I got mostly the
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: same stuff.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a lot of the same.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was telling.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: I did see a.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Trailer for Samson, which I didn't know they were making
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: a Samson movie.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I did see that. It was a teaser. Mine was
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: like 20, 30 seconds. It was just him and that
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: one fight primarily. Just kind of.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Mine, it was like a two minute long trailer that really...
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Didn't show you anything, which does not give me high
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: hopes for the movie.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Well, here's what I think wrapped it all up because
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I'm watching this and I'm like, wow, this really doesn't
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: look very good. And who the hell is this guy?
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: And then all of this was like, what are they doing?
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: And then at the end it goes February. Oh, no,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: that explains.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: This is exactly what they need to dump in the
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: dumping ground every year. Like it's anything from January till
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: like the summer movie start in March. like it's like
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: they just dump whatever and the more I thought about
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: it I was like that's when all of those like
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: all of those weird either biblical or just like CGI
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: sword and sandal kind of they spend 200 million dollars
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: on and nobody goes to see like there's at least
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: one or two a year now and I don't know
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: anybody who sees them you actually I mean they still
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: have that if they play anything semi-biblical they can play
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: that card that like super religious people are just going
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: to show up because it's the Bible. Old people are
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: going to show up. So they feel like they're going
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: to make their money back just on the Bible angle. Yeah,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: the rest of the country that's running things. They like
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Bible stuff. They'll show up. So I think they still
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: like studios as much as they're probably anti that sort
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: of thing. I think they know where the money is
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: still potentially, which isn't always true. You look at a
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: lot of those that lost money.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: There was that animated one, The Prince of Egypt.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that didn't.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: That was creepy. I remember seeing that.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't even watch it.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I've never seen it.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: I think it was Prince of Egypt.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: That was, yeah, it was like DreamWorks, I think.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: It was animated, but it was.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: It was like a long, that was like 90s.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: It was like late 90s.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: It was like really good animation, too.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: It was weird.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for the time. I mean, there wasn't really anybody
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: competing with Disney at that point.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: It doesn't have to really to do with what you're
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: talking about, except for the biblical thing. But it was just,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: it just reminded me, I was like, actually, I liked
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: that one. But then I look back and I was like,
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: that's a creepy movie.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I'm always surprised when a biblical movie comes out, especially
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: from a big studio. I don't know who's doing Samson,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: but it just seems so odd to me that, you know, and,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: you know, I guess when you think about it, it
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: does make sense because there is a whole wealth of
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: stories in there that can be interesting regardless.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Of what your views are. And they're very cinematic.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're very, very cinematic.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Big stories. Yeah. But it's still just kind of... I
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: It's weird when it happens.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: It's weirder to me when it goes to bigger names.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Like that Noah movie.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, that's... What the hell is that? Was
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: it Russell Crowe?
• 23:17
  Speaker 9: No.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. He's in it, but it was... Oh, you're
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: talking about the director? Hell's the Pie. Yeah, that dude.
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: Oh.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Darren... Darren Aronofsky.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That I was just like, what the... And I
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: think he's an atheist. So I think he like went
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: out of his way to make a biblical movie about
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: something that he's not. I have a weird snarky theory
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: on that where I think like maybe in his head
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: he was like, oh, you want to know what's in
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: the Bible? I'll show you what's in the Bible. Like,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: look at this. A whole bunch of CG nothing. And
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: tell me how scientific and logical this is. Because I
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: remember there was a weird backlash with the angels and
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: stuff being in it. And it's like, did you read
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: the Bible? They're in there. But he also put like
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: giant monsters wandering around too.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Well, they were.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: They were in there. In the Bible, there's like 10-foot-tall angels,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: and they're like breeding with women and stuff, and it's
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: just kind of in there. My grandma said there were aliens.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't see the movie. But she
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: says there's aliens in the movie.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: That's the angels. He's a weird dude, so I can
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: see him. No, I mean, seriously.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I believe you. That probably is angels.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: That was his interpretation of these angels, and everyone thought
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: they were like, Yeah. This weird sci-fi stuff he put in.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: It's like, no, that's, it's in there. Well, again, I
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: can see him wanting to almost mess with people. Like
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: he is a strange guy and he has his, his,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: you know, his taste and what he likes to put
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: out there. But the fact that a studio backed it
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: and gave him all that money. And then just in hopes.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Just those names. We're at that point where I think
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: people in suits, just they hear a name. And if
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: you know that name's like, oh yeah, you can do this.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Here's money.
• 24:50
  Speaker 9: Sure.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: That's going to end real soon. Well, I think it
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: all rides on... Man, these last couple years, all these
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: little indie guys they grab and give all this money to,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: it doesn't quite work out that way. I think it
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: all rides on the one time it worked. Passion of
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: the Christ made so much money that.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Even with that person behind it, which no one wants
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: to do it now.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: If you go back even further, too, you've got the
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Ten Commandments with Charlton Heston, which made a lot of money.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: But that was a different world, too. It was a
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: different world, different time.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: That was a very conservative time, so Bible stories kind
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: of worked.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: But I think that's my point that I was trying
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to make earlier, because, yeah, 50, 60 years ago, okay,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: but now it just seems so out of place.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: It's like a Marvel universe of just biblical characters.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, they do kind of cross over, right? Oh, man.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: They can cross over with the Mormons. Moses shows up
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: in Jesus.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Sona's got the Old Testament. All to come together for
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: the ultimate fight at the end. Dude, we've got to
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: get these legal issues worked out so we can have
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: the Old Testament and the New Testament together. Moses and
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Jesus and their own Justice League. It's going to be awesome. Yeah,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: good luck with all that. Which God is it you're
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: not supposed to ever draw or use an illustration of?
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if we can say his name.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I think we're better off if we don't.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: That's why I didn't.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, this show could, you know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: we could use some publicity, but I don't think.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: That's... I've tried saying we're more popular than Jesus. It
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: didn't work. We're not at my house.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: It didn't work.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Oh man so yeah samson i yeah that was my
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: i just sat there the whole time going this looks
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: good luck in february because one movie is gonna own
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: february oh yes one movie is going to own all
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: four weeks of february well and again because they are
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: not going in with like oscar hopes he's like i
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: know my market i know what's gonna work so.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah every time i see that the trailer for Black Panther,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I get more and more excited.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I had it before this one, and in my head,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I'm just sitting there going, how did DC let them
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: do this? Why would you let them put a Black
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Panther trailer before Justice League? See, I didn't have one.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I had Black Panther just before Justice League. That's what
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I thought was weird, because I was like, why would
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: you not? Can I watch that for two hours? Can
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: you just loop that for two hours? Well, then I
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: was thinking, when is Deadpool coming out? Isn't that this spring? Oh,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I saw a poster for it.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: At the theater. I've seen the posters. It's coming next year.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: But it was a Thanksgiving-themed poster.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: It's because he's ridiculous.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: There's a trailer that went with it, because I saw
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: it online. It's a teaser. There's a little bit of
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: footage in the middle, but it's just a Bob Ross teaser.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: It's funny, but it's a Bob Ross teaser. It's ridiculous,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: because it's Deadpool. Damn. It's weird. It's like... excited about
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: that movie, but I find myself not being anxious for it.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I'm just kind of like, well, it's going to get here.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I wasn't geared up for the first one. And I still, like,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I heard way too much. I can't wait for the
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: first one. I say I heard way too much good
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: about it. So I put it off for a long
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: time and finally watched it. I'm like, no, it's fine. Like,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I just, it got built up so much. I was like,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: if I go in with those kind of expectations, there's
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: no way I'm going to. I don't know. I didn't
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: love him or hate him comic-wise. It was just like, yeah,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: he's a thing, and he does his own specific type
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: of thing. I thought it was exactly what I thought
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: it was going to be. Yeah, that was my thing.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I wasn't surprised by anything in it. It's exactly what
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I think Ryan Reynolds always wanted and fought for 10
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: or 12 years to get.
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: And then the rest of us kind of wanted that
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: same thing, but assumed the studio wouldn't do it. So, like,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: it all just kind of accidentally fell together and went, oh, no,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: it happened. But it's kind of perfect for, like, today's
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: social media ways and stuff to have someone that breaks
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: that fourth wall constantly and to kind of bleed over
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: into everything like that. Like, the marketing with that can
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: be insane.
• 28:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: And honestly, at this point, they could just get Reynolds'
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: voice cutting all these things and put other people in
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Deadpool suits and just... Cut ridiculous amounts of fourth wall
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: breaking promos with him.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: And it would work because that's what he is in
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: the comics, so why not do it real life? The
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: whole movie's a selfie. That's what it's come to now.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I think we should take our break and force ourselves
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: to talk about this movie.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Take a deep breath.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Get all geared up for it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: We'll be back.
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: Tell you is you got to be free come together
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: right now over me shoot shoot.
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: Shoot Thank you.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: That's no good.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: Turn it off.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Stop it.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Turn it off. That won't work.
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: It's no good.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: What do you make a trailer for?
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: To give the public an idea of.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: What kind of a picture to expect.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Hilarious, romantic, tender, exciting.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Make up your minds.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: It can't be all of those things.
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: Mr.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Schaefer, if you look at the picture... I don't have
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: to look at the picture.
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: I know you're wrong. tender exciting but are practically opposites
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: you've got to decide what kind of.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: A picture this is is it a romantic.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Love story is it an exciting thriller is it a hilarious.
• 30:21
  Speaker 9: Comedy make up your minds.
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: Now go to work and fix it up superman is
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: the hero of the critics a smash says time magazine
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: a film that's fun for everyone Newsweek.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Says it's a major feat of filmmaking. Superman is a hit,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: says Rona Barrett of ABC TV.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: The sort of entertainment that can be enjoyed over and
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: over again.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Superman, the movie rated PG, parental guidance suggested. So this
• 31:01
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• 31:28
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• 31:50
  Speaker 1: God.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Hello, everybody. This is Ted Neely from Jesus Christ Superstar,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: Drink your cup of poison. Kneel me to your cross
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: and break me.
• 32:18
  Speaker 10: Bleed me, beat me, kill me.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: Get more out of life. Go out to a movie.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Out, out.
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: Out, out.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Out, out.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: We have to be ready. You, me, the others. There's
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: an attack coming from far away. Not coming, Bruce.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: It's already here.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: The others. Where are they? Arthur Curry. The Aquaman.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: It's on him.
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: Organic and biomechatronic body parts.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: He's a cyborg.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: You should probably move.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Barry Allen. Whoever you're looking for, it's not me.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: He's a Batman.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: They said the age of heroes would never come again.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: It has to.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: What are your superpowers again?
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: I'm rich.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: One thing I can tell.
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: You is you got to be free My turn.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Come together Right now.
• 34:08
  Speaker 9: Come together Right now Right now.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Shall we? It's good to see you playing well with
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: others again. Just like a bat.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: I dig it.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe temporary.
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah!
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: In the great hall of the Justice League, there are
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: assembled the world's four greatest heroes. Created from the cosmic
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: legends of the universe.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Superman.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Wonder Woman.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Batman.
• 35:16
  Speaker 9: Aquaman.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Superman.
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: Their mission, to fight injustice, to right that which is wrong,
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: and to serve all mankind.
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: Everybody knows that the dice are loaded. Everybody rolls with
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: their fingers crossed. Everybody knows that the war is over.
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: Everybody knows that the good guy's lost.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Everybody knows that.
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: The fight is fixed. Poor stay poor and the rich
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: get rich.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: That's how it goes.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: Everybody knows.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many people already like, you know,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: DC Universe is dead. Because what, it did like 96, 98?
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: It didn't even break 100 million.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: It did.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: It did, actually.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: The thing I read today, it did 96. globally it's
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: like one something but domestically it did 96 but they're
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: saying it did 98 because there was even that they're
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: like oh they're lying about 2 million i mean it's
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: one of that's the thing i was reading it's like
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: it did okay for most movies now but not for
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: this property not for as much money as they spent
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: on it so that's what you get yourself in trouble
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: when you spend 400 million dollars on it And it
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: makes $ 100, 000 back. Even internationally, it's going to make.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: $ 50 million of that.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: It's going to make most of... Just removing Superman's mustache.
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: Jesus.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: Oh, I wasn't watching his upper lip.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about it. By the time he finally
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: shows up, I was like, I don't... Fuck, whatever. Mustache
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: or not, who cares?
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: All right. That all having been said, this week, like
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: it or not, the Super Series continues as we went
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: out on the town. This week's feature is Justice League.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: The year is 2017. The director, in quotes, is Zack Snyder.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: We can contest that later. And the plot, according to IMDb, which, again,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: is not so accurate, or just are not fully there.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Fueled by his restored faith in humanity and inspired by
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Superman's selfless act, Bruce Wayne... enlist the help of his
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: newfound ally, Diana Prince, to face an even greater enemy.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: What?
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Is that the movie?
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: A greater enemy than what?
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Is that the movie we even watched?
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: I don't feel like he was inspired.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like most of that's accurate. I almost
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: feel like that's a Batman versus Superman description. The characters there, yeah.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Those two characters are involved.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: This is the first of many references like this I'm
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: going to make, but they may as well have just said,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: you know what, just go watch The Avengers.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know that Warner Brothers would like that.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Well, that's, you know.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: So, spoiler alert, I guess.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Big spoiler.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Probably. Yeah, we're going to trash this. You can't spoil this, though,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: is the thing. Well, I mean, obviously, in the regular
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Tony scenes, but it's not like the plot has. Yeah. Well,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: first of all.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: You're using the word plot.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: As if there was a sequence of events that had
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: to happen in a certain order.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Before we get too far.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: There's parts of it that were almost like a plot.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Before we get too far into all this, I do
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: want to say I did more or less enjoy the movie,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: but I don't feel like I can talk about it
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: without using the word but like a lot.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: A lot superman is such a butt oh no way.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: It's like i'm not gonna ask for my money back
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: like i walked out of that theater and i was like.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Okay that that was my thing like i got to
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: i got to the end of it and the credits
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: are rolling and i'm waiting for the stingers and i'm
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: just kind of like yeah it's fine It's fine. It's fine.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: The more I thought about it, I was like, it's probably,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: obviously Wonder Woman is the outlier of the bunch, but
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: definitely of the Zack movies, it's probably the most agreeable.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I wasn't as angry at this one. I was just
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: kind of like, yeah, it's fine.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: It wasn't a flaming dumpster fire.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: It was a smoldering dumpster fire. They've gotten less and less.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I still feel like smoldering's a bit more cool.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I'm furious at Man of Steel. Batman v Superman, there's
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: parts I like, but there's a lot of shit that
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I don't want to deal with. And then this is
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: kind of like, eh, it's fine. So, like, they've gotten
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: progressively better. Like, even Suicide Squad, I feel like, has
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: good stuff in it, but it's a train wreck. Like,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: it's got so many props, but, I mean, it's still
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: in that little universe, more or less. So, like, if
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: you take Wonder Woman out of the mix, like, it's
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: still my favorite of this bunch, I guess, because it
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: kind of works. Not great.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: You mean Justice League would be your favorite?
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, I feel like it works better as
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: a just sit down and watch a dumb movie. Like,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: kind of what we were saying earlier. It doesn't have
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: enough bug guts, and there's no underlying themes, but I'm like,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: it was entertaining-ish. I.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Had fun.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: There were spots that were fun.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I wasn't constantly checking my watch.
• 41:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the other thing that's funny. Here we go.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: But.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: The shortest run of any of his movies. That's also true.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: That's what's kind of interesting because it at one point
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: was going to be a two part. Like they were
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: going to do Justice League 1 and 2. That all
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: got thrown out. And now it's. They said two hours, period.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: They were like, cut it. and i heard they had
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: two hours and 45 minutes of footage so they cut
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: out 45 minutes and you can tell in both ways
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: or you can't make sense right what was ironic knowing
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: that going into it was how many scenes made the
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: cut yeah like even little stuff like even the beginning
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: with the obvious lip right out the gate even the
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: footage with the kids interviewing superman i'm like You have
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: two hours. You got to get us down to two
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: hours and you felt like you needed this weird, awkward
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: 30 seconds in the beginning. You needed a one family
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: running around this nuclear plant. This one family. Yeah, that
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: part was kind of ridiculous. Why did that make the
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: two hour cut?
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: It was almost like they were reminding you that Superman
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: was awesome and that people loved him. And it's like
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: we all went. And like they spend so much time
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: showing you all the banners with the Superman logo. It's
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: like we get it. The world misses Superman.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Let's.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Do they?
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: I don't think any of us did. The biggest irony
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: to me still to this point is Zack Snyder has
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: never denied that he doesn't like Superman. And that's always
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: been the irony, but logic to everything going on around.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, yeah, of course Superman sucks in this
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: movie universe. The guy doing him doesn't get him and
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: doesn't like him. So don't tell me now, though, that
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: I'm supposed to love him from that last movie when
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: he was shit in that last movie. He didn't smile.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: He didn't joke. He didn't do anything human. But now
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: we got Bruce like, he had a wife. He had
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: a job. He's more human than me. What the fuck
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: is coming out of your mouth? Again, that angle of it,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I don't hate Affleck doing it. I think he's got
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: a decent handle on what this character is. So I
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: did like those moments of him going like, this guy's
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: from another planet and he at least functioned as a
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: human being. Like, I think that was more about him,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: not about Superman. I'm like, no, Superman's still a dick,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: but I like that moments of him. Cause he's been
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: listening to Alfred kind of talk smack about the fact
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: that he has no life for 20 years. So it's like,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: he is still dealing with this. Like I, I am a,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: billionaire like i have so much at my disposal and
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: i am not a functional human being whatsoever so i
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: think it's him dealing with that that i kind of
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: like those little moments of that that well just again
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: get lost with the rest of the.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Crap a quick thing about ben affleck real quick is
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: that this movie made me realize that he is a
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: great bruce wayne yeah he is fantastic as bruce wayne
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: bit of a bumbler as Batman, though, which I thought
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: was interesting.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: I agree with that.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of cool how much he
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: wasn't Batman. Like, even with once the team's together, I
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: guess because everybody knows his identity, he really never has
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: a suit on if they're not out punching people in
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: the face. Like, he's always just hanging out as Bruce
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Wayne all the time. I feel like that was the
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: weird disconnect that's going on from the second movie because
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: this Bruce Wayne is supposed to be the old retired
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Bruce Wayne. Like, we kind of forget that from the
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: last movie, but he was supposed to be retired Bruce Wayne.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Like I'm done. And Superman's what, you know, like, Oh God,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: I got, I got to get it back together to
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: go fight this guy. So it's weird now to create
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: this team. Like it's day one origin, but Batman only
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Batman is this old dude, uh, You see what I'm saying?
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: It's like he's already did all his shit. And now
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: for him, this is like retirement home. But you're pitching
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: it like it's day one new gang. And it's like,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: but he's old as fuck. I feel like, again, I
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: said that the last time we talked about the last movie.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like, they never even made that real obvious in
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: that one. Like the timeline. They put a little gray
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: on his little mini sideburns. But I'm like, the timeline
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: never even made sense. As if that was to look old.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: On that last movie.
• 44:59
  Speaker 9: I'm like.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Did he just start doing this? Or has he? At
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: least this time they mentioned, I've been doing this for
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: 20 years. I'm like, oh, so I guess you've been
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: doing that. If you wouldn't have said that, they've so
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: badly structured even in the last movie that it's hard
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: for them to create their own mythology because they can't
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: even get the basics down on the storytelling. We could
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: talk in circles for days about this because that is
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: the main thing. It's not even sticking to its own
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: story anymore.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Good Lord, like Superman coming back from a fucking mother cube? Like, okay,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: then what the fuck was the whole casket thing at
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: the end of the last movie where it looked like
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: he was going to come out of the casket almost
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: right then? Like, you showed life in a casket in
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: the end of your last movie, but now we got
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: to do all this bullshit to bring him back to life? Well,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: then they had to come up with that weird... Like, well,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: his soul might not be dead, but he needs a
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: jumpstart or whatever nonsense they came up with.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: They were trying to convince us that all these people
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: were necessary.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Be like, oh, we need Cyborg to do this thing
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: with the thing. We need the flash for his electricity.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: But they weren't necessary in any other way.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Cyborg is a complete contradiction. How did Lex have footage
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: of him being formed... Obviously, prior to the events of
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: that movie, since it's on a disc in Bruce's computer,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: how did that happen? Yet now we're finding out Cyborg
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: was created from the technology in the ship and the
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: research afterwards. What the fuck? The timeline's all messed up.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Because then I started looking back at the cast and
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I was like... And it listed Flash in Suicide Squad.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: And then I went back and watched that scene. I'm like,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: he busts Boomerang. And I'm like, he's got the suit.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, when does Suicide Squad take place in
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: this universe? If the Flash is already the Flash. You
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: want to hear some really dumb post bullshit? Yeah. Aquaman
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: is in Man of Steel. If you look at the credits,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: apparently some dude somewhere has the title Aquaman on the credits.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: And it's like, what?
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: What the fuck are you guys doing? I remember them
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: talking about already trying to work stuff in that far back.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: I feel like, I don't know. But again, so much
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: of that was messed up. There was those old posters
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: with him. They were like, Unite the Seven.
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: And it's like, what, is Aquaman going to magically do
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: it without a movie? Like, what the... Yes, in this universe, yes.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: He's going to have to.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: So... I don't know where to begin. I don't even
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: know where else to begin.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what... Yeah, where do we start?
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Can we say in the nitpick little shit real quick?
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: I just got random points. Why did the bar that
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Aquaman was at, why did it have a mural of
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: the fucking mother stones on the wall? Why does this
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: bar in the middle of fucking nowhere have... Who did that?
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Who knew that?
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Did Aquaman paint that on the wall? And is he like, hey,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: this would be neat. I'm going to paint the mother
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: cubes on the wall. Is he supposed to have a
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: secret identity? Because he's also painted on the wall, and
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: everybody in the place seems to know that he is.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: They all know that he was there, that he was
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Bruce Wayne. He just walks into the... Yeah, yeah. He
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: blasted him in front of everyone and called him Bruce Wayne.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Actually, he calls him Batman. He's like, way to go, Batman.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: And Bruce Wayne doesn't even.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: and then just takes.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: The shirt off and walks into the ocean like well
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: i guess they all know you have some sort of
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: weird mutant powers because you just walked into.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: The fucking ocean why does he play it like he's
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: some sort of surfer dude.
• 48:30
  Speaker 11: Oh yeah the personality i mean he was so frat
• 48:34
  Speaker 11: boy to them yeah.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: He lives in the water so yeah he'd be like
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: a surfer but if he If he's like a surfer.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I didn't even think of that angle.
• 48:44
  Speaker 11: I really hadn't thought about that.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: That was the only way I could get my mind
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: to calm down a little bit, but then it was like, nuh-uh,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: because if he was like a surfer, he'd have blonde hair,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: which he should have anyway. The guy looked awesome as Aquaman,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: but every time he talked, I wanted to be like,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I know you're a good actor. Why are you doing this?
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Why are you doing this to me?
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I thought he'd just been watching a marathon of Sons
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: of Anarchy, because he just seems like a pissed off
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: biker dude all day long. He just seems to think
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: he's a badass, cause he kinda I get it he
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: kinda is but it's just like he doesn't fit anything
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: really what.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Was his role even in the movie cause he even
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: flat out tells you I don't talk to fish I
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: listen to the water and he never listens.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: To the water well he's not even in the water
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: that was my thing by the end I'm like once
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: he jumps out and like shows up in the city
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: it's like He doesn't have any water powers anymore.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: The whole rest of the movie.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Well, after the tunnel. After the super tunnel. Yeah, he
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: kind of stops the water there. But from that point on... Well, yeah,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: I guess that is when he showed up, right? Because
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: that's when he comes back with the trident. Yeah, that's
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: when he shows up. So from that point on... I
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: guess it's not a trident. He just punches people and
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: has a trident.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: But that's not.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: Aquaman's on the thing, right? Like, it's not about just
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: the water. Like, he's got like.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: It kind of used to be.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: It's a big part of it.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: It kind of is.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: I thought he also had super strength and stuff like that.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: There's... This is where... Man... This is a whole other thing.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Within the DC universe, there's so much controversy over is
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Aquaman strong or not. And the people that will say
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: he is strong, it's that whole thing where it's like
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: he's living in so much pressure and whatever that for
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: him to come out of the water makes him God tier.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: That he's physically tough. I don't know about reflecting bullets,
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: but supposedly he's really hard skinned. He's really strong and
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: all that. But other than that, it is just, control
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: fish and stuff.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: He falls on top of that bug dude.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Who somehow doesn't obliterate from all the concrete and stuff.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Somehow the bug guy is impervious to everything too and
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: goes through the building and slides him out to the
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: road and then he throws his hair back?
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: He obviously has something else going on.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Well, that was my thing. In this, I was like, okay,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: if we're throwing out everything else in the comics, in previous,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: all the animated stuff, all the other universe stuff, and
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: we're just creating a new thing here i'm like basically
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: because once we get into the fight it's like mostly
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: he and diana and i'm like well they're kind of
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: demigods like the vulture because both of their people are
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: connected to the mother boxes i'm like so within this
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: little scenario like i guess i'll give him that it's
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: just weird that he's aquaman and he has nothing to
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: do with water like they should have just created some
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: other race that he was part of and it's hell
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: make up a new superhero i don't know they make
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: reference what was kind.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: Of make water available.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah i mean do you Yeah, fight on the beach?
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, hell, that's where the Amazons were hanging out anyway.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Can't we just center it right there?
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: Make a tsunami come. It doesn't matter. Just, like, whatever.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: It's just, I mean, it almost made sense because in
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: that world, both of them are sort of demigods and
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: they're from these ancient people. And, like, I'll almost give
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: them the, like, superpowers-ish. Which they acknowledge the Wonder Woman.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: They didn't, in her movie, they didn't straight up say
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: she was Zeus's daughter. But there was a scene where...
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Steppenwolf hit her or she hit him. One of them
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: hit the other and Steppenwolf is like, you have old blood.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Old God's blood on you. So they're starting to hint
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: that she is Zeus' daughter. Well, just the fact that
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: she's still the same age. Well, in all of the Amazons.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're obviously connected to some sort of greater
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: power because they haven't aged in like, they're referencing things
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: from millennia ago. Can we talk about the biggest plot hole?
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Like the biggest plot hole?
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: There's a lot.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: I think this one literally undoes the whole movie though.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: All right. The three mother cubes, they activated because Superman died, right?
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Earth is in a state of despair. That's what they said.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: And the mother cubes are kind of like, oh my God, Steppenwolf,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: come and get it. Why didn't they go off before
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Superman landed on Earth? If they've been around for a
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Older than old. We can't even date them. Then what
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: the fuck were they waiting for the last 10,000 years
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: before Superman arrived on Earth?
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: That thought never occurred to me with all the other things.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: That were going on. It makes no sense. Why didn't
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: the mother cubes go, hey, come and get it? The
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: only thing I thought, and this was just a weird
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: side thought, and I went, whatever, who cares? But I
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: was like, was it, because we always hear that scenario
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: in people and their crazy sci-fi theories in the real world,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: is like, what if they were waiting for us to
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: like make contact with another world? It's like, so the
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: coming of this alien creature was us getting to that level.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: We're like, Oh, now it's time. When he describes having
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: a battle with the gods, it already doesn't make any sense.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: It was as if he had us on his radar
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: all this time.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: I had a thought about that. I thought my thoughts
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: are rationalized. That was that. Cause he was saying like,
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: when like your world is cast in darkness or like whatever,
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: then you know, I will come. And maybe it like
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: waited for humanity to become so evil. And like after
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: the Industrial Revolution.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Speaking of Noah. If you want to link it to
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Wonder Woman, now Ares effect and we're just warring. Yeah.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: So it's like just like this super tumultuous time like that,
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: like of the last century. But then Superman had to
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: die for that.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Well, they mentioned at one point about how the tribes
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: of man were all peaceful with each other. And then
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: later on, even Bruce Wayne is like, I don't know,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: not so much.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Have you met the tribesmen?
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: That kind of goes along with what Jacqueline was saying
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: with the darkness and all that.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: But yeah, mine was more of like a 2001 thing
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: that like maybe we needed to get to a certain
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: level of like either technology or understanding of the universe
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: or something before the higher power was like, okay, now
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: we can do this. So again, that, Does it totally
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: make sense, especially since we work aliens into our battle,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: if we want to get into the little teaser that
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: they just sort of threw out there and didn't totally
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: deliver on? I mean, because, again, they bring in the
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Green Lantern Corps.
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: So they're from other planets.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: I had a motherfucking question.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 54:50
  Speaker 9: So.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: The mother cubes. Why? They all had to stay on Earth?
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: Is that what it had to be? Or could the
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: Greenlanders have taken them all the way the fuck away?
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: Because it's like, okay, I understand. Like, yeah, give one
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: to the Amazons. Give one to Atlantis. And then give
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: one to dudes?
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: No. And what did man do with it? We buried it.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Well, like a foot underground. We're kind of like dogs.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: We're just like, oh, I got something important.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Put it in the yard.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Just bury it. Bury it.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: Could have taken it. Like galaxies.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Nope, nope, nope.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: No, we're going to bury this where no one can
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: find it. Off the side of the road.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: Make sure you put a tree. I'll put a couple
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: rocks next to it.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Put a nice pretty tree above it.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: What's also funny is like how big. barely even tweaking
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: that from lords of the rings stuff like the tribes
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: of man the whole the separating yeah it's exactly lord
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: of the rings like justice or filmed like suicide squad
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: yeah think about it much you got to collect this
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: bad guy needs these three things to take over the
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: world he has fucking horns you are fucking ganon well
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: trying to get the three pieces of the triforce because
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: your lord of the rings battle from thousands of years
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: ago didn't.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Work out And now we're going to see this.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Movie like Suicide Squad. Look at all these people real
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: quick for the first half. Okay, let's get rid of
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: them all now.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: And then the terrain looks like Mount Doom.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: I saw where some people were really making points about
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: how it's possible it was just one big fight they
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: cut in two because the background is so generic. It
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: could almost be the same. I've seen some fan theories
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: that maybe it was just one big fight and they
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: somehow split cut it up and split it in a
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: way to have it be two because it was just
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: such a big boring bland mess they wanted because superman's
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: fight was awesome like when he came back that is
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: to me the shining point yeah when they do come
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: back and had the friendly fight with everyone i say
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: friendly quoties but amongst themselves man the one thing in
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: this movie that's just like What's fantastic to me is
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: when he followed the Flash. When he was following the
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Flash with his eyes, I was like, fucking goosebumps. This
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: is the shit you do. This is awesome.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: I was watching that scene, and I was like, okay,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: this is good. And then the Flash goes to attack him,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, how are they going to do this?
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Because Superman may or may not be faster.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Than the Flash.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: We don't really know. We never really came up with
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: an answer. But then the Flash was like, I'm going
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: to get this guy. And you see his eye just
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: very quickly. It was so menacing.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: And the Flash's big, dumb face like, oh, fuck.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, there's your $ 12 right there.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: It's only $ 7.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: 50 for me. I wonder if that was Joss. My
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: wife bought the tickets.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: There's a part of me that wonders if that was Joss.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Because it's good. Henry Cavill himself leaked footage of a
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: black Superman outfit, which is when he came back in
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: the comic, he came back in black and silver. So
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: I was like, wait, did you just kind of come
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: back As Superman, but Joss was like, guys, come on.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Let's show off these powers. Let's have them fucking go
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: crazy here. We can do it. It kind of makes
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: me wonder because it's so good even compared to the
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: other fights. In my opinion, them fighting right there at
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: his statue was fucking great. A lot of the other
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: fights were shots.
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: And it did justice to Superman.
• 57:59
  Speaker 9: Oh, man.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: That was the happiest I've ever been with Superman. Right there.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: That's how Superman should fight with that intensity and stuff.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Not this weird... kind of patient, you know, it's almost
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: like he wanted to talk more in the past.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Just connect it. You're not going to connect with Zod.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Do it.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Like he didn't even want to. Like, oh, this is
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: so beneath me.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: The fact that he.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Smiled in his fucking movie and I think he made
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: like one or two jokes.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: He made a couple jokes.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: It felt like the reborn Superman felt, I don't understand
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: why he disappeared once they got him though. Like, That
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: was my thing with the whole thing. You want to
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: catch up with the girls, but this thing's kind of happening.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Can you help them move later? There might not be
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: a house to live in if this doesn't happen. It
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: also just seems like such a... But I keep saying
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: this with everybody. If you're going to kill a character,
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: first off, I'd rather you just kill him, but nobody
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: wants to do that. Everybody has to bring them back.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: But at least do it for some reason.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: The Doomsday fight was so lame. So that lame fight
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: was what killed Superman? That just makes him seem like
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: a really sucky superhero. And then on top of that,
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: I'm like, and then this is what brings him back?
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: like it's all just so meh so I'm like so
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: where do you go from here when you've already killed
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: your biggest superhero over this bunch of nothing like there's
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: not even any stakes to leading up to this and
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: then you kill the person who should be unkillable in
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: this little world and like I don't know it was
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: just so like this is not worth using this card.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like, if you've got this in your hand,
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: save it for something good instead of just, Oh, we
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: need an ending.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Kill him or something. Like it seems so just, I
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: think that we need an ending to reviewing the second
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: movie though. I mean, that was all those choices. I mean,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: it was all those choices they made in a second movie.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: So they had to deal with them.
• 59:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: And it's like, so it's easy to complain about, you know,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: what's going on now, but it's because of those choices
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: they made back then. And like, it just, it sucks. Like, Yeah,
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: there was no reason to have the Batman-Superman fight and
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: his death in one thing. Again, I hate to say
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: this kind of stuff over and over, but as someone
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: that's read comics, those were two huge arcs on their own,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: and you wanted to smash them into one two-and-a-half-hour movie. No, patience.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Please have some patience with this stuff. That was rushed.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Money's not going anywhere, but you can't rush it. Yeah,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: that was rushed, and then we didn't really know what
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: to do with this one. That's why it kind of
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: seems so disjointed. It was just bizarre to me to like, yeah,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Superman's back. And then it was like they went somewhere
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: to do something, and he wasn't there. And they even
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: kind of made a reference, like, well, hopefully he'll show
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: up later. And I'm like, what do you mean, hopefully
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: he'll show up? Superman is missing in action, so we
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: got to go do this on our own. Okay. Wait,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: why are we all sitting here? Right. Superman won't even
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: show up. Why are we here?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that was... Like I said, the fight was great.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Like that 10 minutes, that was easily my favorite 10 minutes, 10,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: 15 minutes. Like that in the middle, it was like... Awesome.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: But then it was like, but now we got to
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: go back to that. It's just reinforcing what my issue
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: is with all three of this series. Superman's still a dick.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: I will say I wish that Wonder Woman would have
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: been more evenly matched with Superman.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: She should be.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: He just hit her and she was like, done. And
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: I was like, wait, but she's fucking Wonder Woman.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Well, in his defense, he did headbutt the fuck out
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: of her.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: But, you know.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Oh and then and then batman just kind of sheepishly
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: shows up at the end of.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: The fight that's kind of i was like where is
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: he even at at.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: That point yeah.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: Coming along to get this shit beat out of him
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: well he.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: Shows up makes me again wonder if it wasn't if
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: there wasn't some you know.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Well he shows up like hey clerk are we cool
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: and you know that was um remember how and that's
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: when superman should have totally lost his shit like Oh yeah,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: I remember this.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: I feel like they acted like the last movie ended
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: in the middle. It seems like the weird animosity between them.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Because again, I feel like I saw the whole movie
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: and everyone made up and was good about it. And fight,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: why are we acting like this is such a sensitive issue?
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: He's going to pop out a casket and obliterate Bruce
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: right out the gate. And I'm like, I watched your
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: whole movie. I watched all two and a half, 40,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: whatever it was. Maybe they forgot the last 25 minutes
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: or so. You know, he's burying Clark already feeling whatever
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: about it. It's like, why are you acting like... I
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 7: It was.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: That was weird. There's just so much weird stuff in
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: this movie where you feel like something is being pushed
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: on you or insinuated and you don't understand where that
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: source is. Is coming from.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: If that makes sense. There's so many times I was like,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: why are we? There was some scene where like, I
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: think it was Wonder Woman and Batman. One of them
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: got real snarky with the other one. In a time
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: where there wasn't an argument going on. And it seemed
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: like so angry or whatever. I was like, did we
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: miss something? A quip fight? Was there something in there
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: where you two disagreed on something? Because someone was really angry,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: but then it was gone the next second. I was like,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: that was weird. Something happened there. Or they shot those
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: six months apart, and somebody else came in to rewrite scenes.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: It did seem like Wonder Woman seemed to have it
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: out for Bruce the entire time. She was super mad
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: at him.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: Why was she so mad when he mentioned her boy?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: She lost her shit when that happened. And I was
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: just like, that was a fair argument. I don't feel... Right.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: It seemed like a way overreaction to me just to
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: have them have a conflict. And I was like, I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: want some difference of opinions. I want that everyone has
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: their own moral standpoint and stuff. But some of them
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: felt so forced. I was like, why are they fighting over.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of shit that sounds super forced in
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: this movie.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: It was so different, too, that that's the scene I
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: was like... Or that whole little arc, I was like,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: is that the Joss part? Because once again, it's also
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: dealing with human emotions, which I don't feel like Zach
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: understands whatsoever. But Joss is really good at that. So
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: putting this weird, like interpersonal relationship stuff in the middle of, oh,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: and I have to, I have to save the world
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: and I have to beat people up. And I have
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: to like, I have all this other stuff going on,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: but I'm still kind of drugged down by my humanity
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: and my feelings towards other people. So like, that's the
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: part that I was like, that actually has a good
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: arc to it that really just exists in like two scenes.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: And then it's gone. So I'm like, is that part
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: of the rewrite? I don't really know, but I feel
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: like I like that aspect of adding a weird humanity
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: to her and that she does have feelings. It does
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: seem weird that it's drug out as long. It's, you know,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: how many decades now has this been going on? Why
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: would she be that angry about it? Like I said,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: for me, it was just more the reaction. Like, I
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: feel like maybe he was you know i forget what
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: the entire context was it felt like whatever it was
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: a valid point i just remember like her reaction well
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: it was overbones like wow are you this pissed it
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: was her calling him out for being shut down and
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: like shutting down you know to to i guess like
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: again wanting to disconnect himself from the world again because
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: he's kind of dealing with that i don't have a
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: life i don't have a you know kind of thing
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: so he's trying to come to terms with that in
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: his own self. And he's like, for some reason, maybe
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: that was when he just, for some reason, kind of
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: goes off on her.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he said that, oh, well, Superman was like this
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: beacon of light or whatever, and you've been an inspiration.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: You've been a hero this whole time, but you've been
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: just playing it cool, working your job and not being
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: in the spotlight, and you're hiding.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: I had that same thought last time, actually. As we
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: watched the last movie, I was like, why did she
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: just disappear?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Because we see her in World War I, and then
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: she just totally is gone until Superman. Well, even more so,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: her second movie has already been set. It's going to
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: be in the 80s. Yeah. So everything that will happen
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: in her next movie cannot impact her character at all.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: before what we just saw. It's just bad planning. Which
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: is weird because there's rumors that, oh boy, because like
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: I said with the hole that could have been the
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: fountain of youth that he was bathing in, there's rumors
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: that he is cast for the second Wonder Woman movie.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: He can't be alive now. He cannot. Not the way
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: they just did that. You cannot do that at all
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: because Bruce just, it's just weird. It's just so apparent
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: watching this movie that not only do you not know
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: where you're originating from with this stuff, but like, you
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: don't care? Like you're almost just like, Here, here it is.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: This is it. Here's some things that don't make sense. No,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: here it is. This is it. And if you're lucky,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: we're going to give you this too. And it's like,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: but how will that? No, here it is.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Doesn't matter.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Don't think about these things in conjunction with these things.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: I keep on just feeling like the ultimate way to
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: like review this movie is to say it's a kid's movie.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: To say like, it's a good kid's movie. I guess.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: In the sense of like, when I go back and watch,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say, I'll pull this out of nowhere.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Ice Pirates, 80s movie. Random as hell. As a kid,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: I fucking loved that movie. Yeah, I watched it a lot.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: I go back, I watch it now, and I'm like, yeesh,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: that movie is not real great. Well, also not appropriate
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: for kids in many, many ways.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like this was meant to be random
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: at all. I feel like they had, in somebody's mind,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: they had a very clear goal. And then by the
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: time it got to the final product that we saw,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: I think so many people that were involved were just like,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: I'm done. I can't.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: I'm done.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: You're bringing in new people. I don't know what to
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: do here.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Fuck it. Here's your movie.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: Enjoy it.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: I also, the scene that you were just discussing, Jacqueline,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: I also kind of like that and also thought maybe
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: that was part of the Joss writing because he also
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: was saying the same thing that I feel like all
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: of us were saying. We're like, no, we watched that movie.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: We watched Wonder Woman and went, you're the beacon of light. No,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: you're what we've been waiting for.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: All these years.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Why are you on the back burner? Why are there
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: not more? I felt like that was all of us going, no, really.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Fuck Superman.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: You're our beacon of light. You're the... Truth, justice in
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: the American way.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: Like, please give us more of you. Any interpersonal stuff
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: that felt authentic, I assumed was justice.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: That felt very genuine in the real world.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: And because that was like the only conversation like that
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: that there was. And I was like, there wouldn't just
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: be one if it weren't that there were other ones
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: that were cut out.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Except that Zach doesn't know how to do that. So
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: the rest of that was stuff he shot probably.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: As far as you were saying that it's kind of
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: like a kid's movie, I kind of agree with that
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: because there was no blood, no violence. There was nothing.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Flash got green.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: There was green.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: Green's not blood. And that's pretty much it.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Green is not blood.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: In video games, if you discolor blood, it will actually
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: wipe away a mature rating. So as long as you
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: discolor blood, it's okay. That's what they changed it in
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of different stuff over the years. They would
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: change it to alien blood. Purple or green or pink.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: So you could have poo all over you and it
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be all of a sudden. It was family friendly again, huh?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: There's that and just that there's so much heavy-handed, mushy,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: sentimental scenes in this that I also am like, it's
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: not like subtle nuanced complex mushiness it's kid-friendly right like
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: let's hug.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: Like you could tell what's going on without listening like
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: if you had this muted be like oh this is
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: an endearing scene oh this is an action scene oh
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: this is a plotting scene like it there's the more
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: I thought about was like I feel like whether it's
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: intentional or not I'm not saying it's intentional actually but
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: You know, we have a movie that a kid could
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: get completely enamored in, not see any plot holes, not
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: just love it to death, but maybe not teenagers and above.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe if you got a little bit more kind of
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: know what's going on in the world, you see all
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: these plot holes. Is it okay if I got mushy?
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: There were several times that I know I'm a sap,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: but I'm just, those big close-ups on Diane, I'm just like, Anyway.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 9: Good golly.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, that was funny as hell, Ben. You're not talking
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: about front.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: Close-ups, are you?
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: You're talking about rear view.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: No, actually, see, that's why I said mushy, not creepy.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: Because there were at least two of those ass shots
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: that I was like, two?
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, no. He said at least. At least
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: means with the pedestal.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: I was like, out the gate. Like, there's no way
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: in my mind.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: Gal Gadot's butt. That's in my notes right there.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: No doubt in my mind that was not shot by Zach.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: Like the first shot where she pulls the lasso. Oh, God.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: I'm like getting five thoughts a minute. When she pulls
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: the dude up with the lasso, that first shot's at
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: this downward angle like it's an upskirt. Yeah. Forever while
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: she's questioning him.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: There was so much upskirt on her.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: There was a lot.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: But can you talk about how she had that dude
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: in a lasso when he didn't answer her goddamn question?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: She's like, who do you work for? What's going on?
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: He's like, you'll never stop us. Once again, not understanding
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: your own mythology.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: And then later, all Aquaman has to do is sit
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: Sit on it.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: Wait, I thought he did. I thought he was like,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: I'm with blank blank.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: You're never going to stop us. She asked him a
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: second thing. She asked him a second question and he
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: straight up does that. He was kind of quippy for somebody.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: That you're never going to stop us. She just fucking
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: asked you a question. Man, I'm cussing too much.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: It's all right. Like I said, I'm just too emotional
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: about this stuff.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: I did like that the Aquaman lasso scene.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was funny. It's the one time I didn't
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: want to just tell him to shut up. That had
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: to be Joss. Yeah, that was another one I was like.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: That is 110% Joss. Once again, it's just talking interpersonal.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: It's just him being, you guys, you know, it's like
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: it's all about how he really feels, which he's been
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: covering up being a stupid frat boy the whole time.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is the one time that I don't hate. Oh, no, wait,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: now he's back to being dick again. I was going
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: to say, and this is not, not picking fights now
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: i'm just saying there was a lot of topless dudes
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: in that movie too well that's why i was like
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of booty and a lot of upskirts on
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: winter woman but momoa was topless cavill was there was
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: a those two dudes had lots of topless stuff going
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: on let me just say and i'm and again jason
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: is a ripped dude i'll give you that one is
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: it just me or was it was as anyone you've
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: anyone were we all kind of creeped out by superman's
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: chest hair.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: It's just weird looking. It's weird.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: It looked like he was wearing a specific bra.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just odd. I'm just like, Henry, something.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: Either keep your shirt on or wax that shit down. Yeah,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: that's where the mustache went. I'm like, you are in shape,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: but that chest hair is creeping me out, dude. Put
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: a shirt on.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: I do think that Momoa is like, their whole aesthetic
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: of him is trying to be like, you know, girls
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: who are really attracted to like oh i think.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: It works i think it worked i think that for
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: years girls have been freaking out over just the idea
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: of him being in this movie so i think it
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: worked from that angle yeah he's definitely he's not a
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: good character really jennifer lawrence of the dc yeah you
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: know whatever her sex draw was supposed to be for
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: x-men he's clearly not that like i said anything against
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: henry cavill or ben affleck but momoa's like next year
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: i have like aunts and grandmothers and stuff that will
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: blush about that beauty like watching those girls at the
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: at the conventions just like them mentioning him like they
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: lose their shit so i'm like it worked like just
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: in the pop culture level in the movie whether it
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: works not really but that's where it's yeah it wasn't
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: i didn't hate him as aquaman but it's still like
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: you still gotta wait and see because you can't do
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: a whole movie of yeah I mean, you can't do
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: that for a whole movie.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: I really don't even know what Aquaman did in that movie.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: Well, by the end, he did a lot of fighting.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: But again, it wasn't Aquaman fighting. It was just a
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: muscular superhero dude punching people. Jumping around in the air.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: He had a trident, but it could have been a sword. Really,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: it didn't have to be a trident.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: And just saying, my man, a lot, which was weird.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't like that.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 10: My man.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what is that?
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: It sounded weird.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Dumb.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: Straight up dumb. And just like a cyborg saying booyah.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: I was like, awesome.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Well, he had to work that in. That's the geek reference.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: I was kind of like, I'll give you that one.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: I was just like, that didn't make sense in that scene.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: I was surprised how much I was actually on board.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: As much as we just like two weeks ago were
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: just like, I don't know about the cyborg. No, I
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: actually liked cyborg quite a bit. I kind of liked him.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: I did, but I don't know that he fits in
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: this either.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: I feel like that character was wasted in the context
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: of this movie. I almost feel like If you would
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: have had just Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, maybe The Flash.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: you still would have had just as effective of a movie.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Again, that's why I was like, why are we... He
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: was the iron fist. He was the MacGuffin for this group.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: He was like, we're going to take you and make
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: kind of your story as a way to get.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: All these guys together. When Cyborg was in his apartment,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: feeling down about himself, not going out into the world,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: he was an interesting character. Once they started to develop
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: that character a little, which, I mean, they didn't really
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: develop any of the characters, but they gave him just
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: a little bit of... Of character development. He showed himself
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: to Diana and Bruce, and then it just fell flat.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: Just completely fell on its face.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: I like that whole Frankenstein thing. He is the monster
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: in this first half. And then eventually he gets hooked
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: up to the interwebs of... of krypton and like it
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: was just kind of like all of a sudden then
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: he's just like google at that point i can fix
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: everything hold on i can fix it like he.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: Figured i can connect to everything there was some interesting
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: moments like where you can find the way to make
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: that work yeah he was like i've got an alien
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: language in my head i don't understand yeah and when
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: he's fighting superman he's like my self-defense mechanism is just
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: activating i can't control That was cool, but otherwise it
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: was like, why are you here?
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: By the end, all that was gone, and it was
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: just kind of eh.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: He wasn't struggling with it anymore. He was just like,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: I'm just going to link into this thing, and it's
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: going to be awesome.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: Watch this. Yeah, it was cool when he was still like,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: not only was he not understanding it, he was like
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: a prisoner to it.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: Can I just say, why was he so comfortable? He's
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: still a person. Why was he so comfortable just not
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: wearing clothes immediately? After he got, because he was wearing
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: clothes in the beginning, wearing clothes.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden he's like, I'm just
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: going to walk around with my pants on.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: Well, I feel like before he was just hiding his,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: you know, the monster that he was. And once he
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: was like, fuck it. Even though the lights glowed through
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: the hoodie.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: It's just like, fuck it.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: But if you grow up and you're, how old is he?
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: Like 1920? College.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: College level.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 9: Yeah. So.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah. You're not going to just suddenly be like, actually,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: I'm just not going to wear clothes anymore.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: I don't need it. We all go through that phase, right?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: He was an athlete. He was used to walking around
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: with his deal hanging out.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: I guess so.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: Question, because I wonder if maybe I saw this wrong.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: He did get his leg tore off, right?
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: Yes. And they put it back on.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: When did they put it back on? Because that's what
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: I missed. You see Batman later. You see Batman twisting
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: it when it's connected. He's got the bat wrench out.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: Hold on a second.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: I'm like, how the hell do you fix Kryptonian metal
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: that quickly?
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: Because he makes the joke about his toes later. I'm like,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: how did he get both his legs back on his body?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: Because I completely missed it.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: I don't remember when they put the leg back on,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: but they do.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: I just assume so.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: I've worked by it. It was just like the wires
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: get close enough.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: And then it's like, oh, yeah. Yeah, they reach out
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: and grab each other. I think that sentiment alone, I
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: just assume, I think that's the whole movie.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: I think that's what it really is.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: There's so many things like, what the? Well, I guess
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: it's just this. And you do that with so many
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: things that you're like, but what's what then? If I
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: have to go, well, that was that. And I guess
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: that was that.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: And this is this. That wouldn't bother me, but I
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: know there's at some level just saying, okay, I guess
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: this happened because of that.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: But at some point, I'm sure if I go back
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: and rewatch it again, those moments will start to contradict themselves.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Can we.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Talk about the end? Can we talk about Steppenwolf's death?
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: Darth Vader died to stormtroopers. This motherfucker died to his
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: own parademons. Explain to me how they will jump on
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: this dude in a heartbeat for smelling like fear when
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: you got a goddamn family like 50 feet over here
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: in this shed barricading themselves in, but they can't smell
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: those guys. Those guys right there that you're flying around,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: we don't smell that. But when your leader senses a
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: little fear of Superman, we're going to eat them alive?
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, bookshelves are smell-proof, if you didn't know. You
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: can't smell past bookshelves.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: They probably smelled like vodka. Maybe he just has big fear.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: I can't believe that wasn't edited out. That family, every scene.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: It wasn't even like there was a cool heroic saving scene.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Flash pushed the truck. I mean, it wasn't even like, oh, man,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: we got to keep that shot.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: That was kind of funny, though, when he's pushing the
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: truck and he looks over and Superman's got the whole building.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: But was the building empty?
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Because these are the only people we see ever.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: We never are even shown. Because even like, oh, there's more.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, are there?
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: Because I haven't seen anything with this one damn family.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: Can we just talk about the landscape for a second?
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: There's this huge nuclear plant. reactor. And there's like suburbia
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: around it. What the fuck? That's where you build those?
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: Come on.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: There's just so many things. I'm going to get real
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: nitpicky now. Why was the dude in the very beginning
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: mopping a grate?
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: Okay. He was mopping a graded metal?
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: I was thinking all that's going to do is cause
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: water to go down to the basement.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Because Joss has never worked a mop in his life.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: Maybe that was just to be absurd. I'm sure he
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: had to mop some floors on Roseanne.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: He doesn't seem like he's done much of human things.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: That's what made me go, this is for kids. A
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: kid wouldn't even begin to go, why was he mopping that?
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: I'm glad somebody else noticed that.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: And the strings would go down into the fucking grade
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: holes and it would get caught and you'd be like, goddammit,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: my mop.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Actually, what you'd say is.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: That's somebody who's worked a mop before. I know. That's
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: why you're so frustrated.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: What you'd say is, you know, $ 9. 75 an hour is
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: not worth this horseshit.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, see? I'm pretty sure.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: And someone.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: Who mopped earlier today. Any big, super secret lab probably
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: has the cleaners come in at night or something. I
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: don't think the scientists work alongside the janitors.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: It was night. It was 1130. You know?
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: Well, if we're doing plot holes, here's my... Not even
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: a hole, just a big old question mark. Then I'm like, this,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: all right, if, because the whole world is mourning Superman, blah, blah, whatever.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: So then we're going to get to the point of like, okay,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: some magical super Kryptonian space thing happened and Superman's back.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: And the world will figure that out and be fine
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: with it. But what about Clark? How do they bring
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: Clark back? Because they buried Clark Kent. He had a funeral. Yes.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: They even show him in the obituary of a newspaper.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: Everyone in his, I'm sorry.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. But no one's mother is going to be
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: that nonchalant about.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: Her only son. She did not lose her shit at
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: all when she saw him. She didn't even hug him.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: She kind of stared at him a bit like, is
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: it really you? I'm like, I'm sorry. You have a
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: loved one like your mother. And then on top of.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: That, Lois, it's implied that Lois is the one who
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: calls her up and says, hey, Clark's back. wouldn't your
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: mom be a little pissed off that your fiance called
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: instead of you? Yeah.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: Call my mom for me.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: Jesus.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: Is he your secretary?
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: Now he might not know how to work a phone.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He was still kind of not in his right mind, but.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe when he tries, he gets excited when he, dials
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: the phone breaks the buttons i don't know.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: I mean i do feel like wouldn't you be a
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: little more disturbed if you if he just was on
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: the phone all of a sudden maybe she's like easing
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: it in a little bit you know how we were
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: hanging out the other.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 11: Day anyway but lois flash for you lois and martha
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 11: kent never have questions never once they're like what how
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 11: what what i have all the questions.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: They leave that for the audience.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: We're all like, I have a whole lot for you.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: And while we're talking about those two, can we talk
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: about how grossly underutilized the supporting cast of this movie was?
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Because they were all talented actors. Again, that's... Who makes
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: a movie with Jeremy Irons and puts him in it
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: for 30 seconds?
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. You know he shot all those scenes in
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: one day because they're all just him by himself sitting
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: in front of a screen going... Okay, take a left.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: All right, talk to you guys later. I mean, he
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: has nothing useful to do. There's once or twice where
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: he calls out Batman for not having a life.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you kind of, if you're going
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: to have a movie with Batman, you have to have
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: Alfred at some point.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: But it's Jeremy fucking Irons. I agree.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, and even Commissioner Gordon.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: Commissioner Gordon.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: That guy is awesome. We didn't have him last time.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: And he just kind of was there for kind of
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: one and a half scenes. Flip on the bat signal
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: and be like, okay, hey guys, how's it going? You know,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: it's funny because I had to go to the bathroom.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: And I made it super quick. And I did it, like,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: I guess for that whole scene on the roof. Because
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: whatever was going on before, I'm like, okay, this is
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: kind of boring. I can do it real quick. And
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: I came back, and that scene had already came and went.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: And I was like, how quick was that?
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: Pretty quick.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: Because I was like, holy F, I missed it. I
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: came back as that scene was ending. I was like, holy,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: the whole thing's gone? I mean, I did that quick.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: It's just moving too fast. But just my original question.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: The entire town of Smallville thinks this guy's dead. Now
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: he's back. Everyone, I mean, he had a job, as
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: Batman mentions. He had a job. Is he going back
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: to work at the paper? Because how do you explain, oh,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not dead anymore?
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: He was wearing his work clothes. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: You could be like, I was in on this story.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: I was deep undercover.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: I was deep undercover. Me and Superman are like this.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: For your own safety, I had to pretend I was dead.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: We were psyching out Luther. No, I'm not Superman at all.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: It was all a trick.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: I was at the store the whole time getting smoked.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: Even the last movie, I was just like, is it
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: not a weird coincidence that Superman very publicly dies? Oh,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: and by the way, Clark's gone. Did anybody else notice
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: that dude who looks a lot like Superman is also
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: magically dead now?
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: Would Clark be your guy to cover that story anyway?
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 9: He would.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: Or actually, all of your reporters should be on that.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: Well, no, because sometimes he covers sports. You know, like
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: at most newspapers, they just deal out whatever that day. Today,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: you're doing the real estate listings.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow, sports. From somebody who worked on a paper for
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: a brief period of time, that is actually true.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: That's totally what happens.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: But they would have everybody.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: They would have the guy selling coffee. Hey, see if
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: you can get us some thoughts. I don't know. I
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: just thought that was like, here's a weird issue that
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: you're going to have to deal with and I'm guessing
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: you're not going to.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: Although, had it been me, had I been the art
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: director who made the newspaper that shows, you know, Superman dead,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: I would have had down in the corner a tiny
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: little picture of Clark Kent and it would have said,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: area reporter missing.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: Random small little guy not found.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, an interesting fact I was reading about today. The
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: guy who played Jimmy Olsen from the Richard Donner.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: Movies makes a cameo.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: I did not until afterwards.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: As soon as he was standing there, I was like,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, that's a much older version, but that's definitely him.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: I thought that was a nice little touch.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: I just have to wonder if at one point he
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: just walked off and said, fuck this. This is not Superman.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: I should have been Superman. So the other, again, if
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: we're working in the weird touches from movies of the past.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: Working in all the old themes is kind of cool,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: but it's weird.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: It's weird.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: I have a bittersweet thing, too, because I feel like
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: it's fantastic to hear it, but I'm just like, why this, though, guys?
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: I feel like had the movie been up to par,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: we'd be having a different conversation.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: If it delivered what we want it to, if it
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: really was what all of this should be. Danny Elfman
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: was definitely the MVP. The music was fantastic, and actually
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: stood out. Like that's the thing I've always, I kind
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: of said this before, like I'm really big on themes.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: I really like in these kind of dynamics that when
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: a character shows up, almost like the music, like Darth Vader, like,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: you know, that people have their music. They kind of
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: took away Wonder Woman's, though. She didn't do that. You
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: get the one when she's on the statue, and that's it.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: It's the only time you really hear that. But that
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: was kind of odd. They just hinted. They hinted at
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: the Superman thing. It was all of them. They hinted
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: at the Batman animated thing. Because you barely even noticed
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: the Superman one. But the Batman, I was like, no, there's.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: The old school Batman.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: They left that last note. When he first comes back,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: they do those first series of notes, but they leave
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: out that last one. But yeah, I caught all that
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: in it. Like I said, it was just, it was bittersweet.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: It was like, that's awesome. And then you look at
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: what's going on. I was like, but, but come on.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: I guess it's interesting that, I guess you get a
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: loophole there too, where it's like, well, if we bring
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: that guy back in who did most of it, At
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: least the Batman. I heard someone joke that Danny Elfman
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: just gave him an old hard drive. He's like, here's
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: my Batman stuff. I downloaded that John Williams theme a
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: long time ago. Throw that in there too. That's fine.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: He won't mind. I forgot to put the Wonder Woman
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: on that.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: But in regards to that, I'm glad they did not
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: bombard us with a soundtrack from the 70s and 80s.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: You know, I feel like that worked in Thor and
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Guardians of the Galaxy. But it's a little cheap. I
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: don't think it would have worked here.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: It is a little cheap.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: It's making people feel really excited just because they know
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: that song.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: It's a shorthand.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: It's sometimes a lazy way of going about it.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: But it is really interesting to me because you were, again,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: referencing how good the Danny Elfman part is. He's like
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: three down. Like when you've got your original guys, like
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do superheroes anymore. Junkie XL, I guess,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: backed out. So then it's like, I don't know, Danny.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: I'm like, when he's choice number three, like what's going
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: on in the world? That was just really odd.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't know.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: I thought that was strange just to even find out
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: about that.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: He's choice number three?
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: Pretty much.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: I mean... Who were the top two? Was it Hans Zimmer?
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: Hans Zimmer, I think, originally did it and said he
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: didn't want to do superhero movies anymore. And then it
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: went to Junkie XL, and that's who did Wonder Woman, co-writing-wise.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's super talented. He does themes really well.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, man, I would never complain about Daniel. And
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: are memorable, which you don't get with most... I can
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: understand why they would.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: Cause Hans Zimmer, he's like so hot and like right now,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: not like hot, but he's.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: So hot right now. When he takes his shirt off.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: But like, but I feel like it would have been almost.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: too like grandiose and dramatic for this movie like cause
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: he's like big on those sweeping overtures.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: But I don't feel like they landed in the last
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: movies I feel like they felt when you're in the
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: theater it feels like that big cinematic experience but that's
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: kind of the points I was trying to make before
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: though I want Music that's memorable. I can remember the
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings theme. I can remember the Harry
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: Potter theme. When I think of these things, I can
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: hear music that goes with it. I can't do that. Well,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: you used to be able to do that. I can
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: do Wonder Woman a little just because that music is
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: a love-hate thing, but everything else, classically, I'm like... It's
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: more of an atmospheric.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: like ambiance type even Avengers kind of has a little
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: melody that they kind of pepper in they just started
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: getting back to that with this new mark but.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: Remember like that used to be the thing like that
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: John Williams Superman theme to this day if you're like
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: oh my god like it's so good the Danny Elfman
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: Batman theme it's like oh here we go like it
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: used to be a thing that went with all the
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: super but then by the time we hit that 90s
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: era like what's the Logan theme are you thinking of
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: it right now? Cause I'm not like nobody really, even
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: X-Men as a whole, it had decent music, I guess,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: but it's not really memorable. Like those old themes were,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: and we're just now.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: Like six notes that are really good.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: It's like we started getting back to, cause I think
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: Avengers has a memorable theme for the whole team. The
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: guardians of the galaxy has a really good theme. So
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: it's like, we're kind of getting back into that now.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: I think wonder woman was the closest thing we had
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: in the DC end of it. So it's, I don't know.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: I think it's finally starting, but now we're just bombarded
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: by so much that it's hard to still latch on
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: to anything. But yeah, the music is just a weird goulash.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: In this one.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: I know you have abilities. I just don't know what
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: they are.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: My special skills include viola, web design, fluent in sign language,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: guerrilla sign language.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: Silica-based quartz sand fabric, abrasion-resistant, heat-resistant. Yeah, I do.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: Competitive ice dancing what.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: They use on the space shuttle to prevent it from
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: burning up on reentry.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: I do very competitive ice dancing.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: Whoever you're looking for Is.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: It Batman so you're fast That feels like an oversimplification.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: I'm putting together a team people with special abilities you
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: see i believe enemies are coming.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: Stop right there i'm in you are yeah i i
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: need friends okay we haven't really talked much about the
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: flash what's our take on.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: The flash when i think about the the awkward and
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: forced and kind of cringy humor in this movie I
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: don't even know.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: I think they were trying to make the Flash be
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: like Spider-Man.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's really, we haven't even gotten to this
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: at all, but it's all I could think of was,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: you know, I went in to watch this movie and
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: I even told myself at the beginning, don't compare it
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: to the Avengers. And that's all I could do throughout
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: the entire movie. I mean, but yeah, you've got the
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: teenage Flash acting like the teenage Spider-Man where I'm awkward,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not really used to what's going on here, but
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: I want to do it, but oh my God, I
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: can't do it.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: I can't do the violence, so you have to have
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: Batman tell you what to do.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: Did you guys get.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: The impression he was autistic? I got the impression that
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: he was not just, I felt like they were going
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: for ADD, but I've got this impression. When he said
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: that thing.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: About like, I can't connect to other people. Yeah.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: When he's talking about.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: Brunch and stuff.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: I was thinking about it.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: I was just like, cause then he's like, didn't have
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: to interact with humans for like, he made some comments
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: where I was like, is he supposed to be a
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: little off? Because it was just, the friends thing felt like, oh,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: I feel sad for him when, Yeah. And he's like,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I'll join. I need friends. But there
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: was some comments he made later. I was like, I
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: feel like he's supposed to be a bit.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: If he's supposed to be, it'd be great if they
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: actually said something to that.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. If they made it like, hey kids, it's okay.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: Like there's tons of kids now that are suddenly realizing, oh,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not, I'm not wrong. I'm just different. You know?
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: So it's like, it would be kind of cool to
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: have a superhero version of that.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: It actually would be.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: But they don't. didn't really commit to it fully.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: And the Flash would be a good one to do
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: that with because you can draw parallels to like hyperactivity
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: with like ADD and all that. I mean, we could
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: talk for days about this, but yeah, you do make
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: a valid point though with that.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Which again, I'd be fine with if they go
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: ahead and commit to it. That'd be kind of cool.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: I had mixed feelings on Flash. I liked almost every
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: scene he was in and stuff. Like I felt like
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: the scenes were great. I think what got me is
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: kind of what you hinted at the beginning. I felt
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: like his humor felt forced. There were several jokes that
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: were forced.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: A little bit.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: I don't want to make sense it was all him.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: Not as characters, but as moments. There was some Batman
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: jokes that landed and some was like that was forced.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: Some Superman that landed, some were forced. Flash to me
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: felt mostly forced. I found myself in my head thinking
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: of Big Bang Theory. I felt like he was one
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: of the Big Bang Theory kids in a flash outfit.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: All of those jokes are forced. And I was just like, well,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: that's my point. I was like, I feel like this
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: is cliche forced geek humor.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: And so it took me out of it. I'm like,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: I feel like he's Sheldon in the flash mask. Most
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: of it. I was like, he's kind of a reclamation
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: of the two, of him and his roommate. Because sometimes
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: he'd be super awkward Sheldon, and other times he's... The
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: one with the glasses. He'd be kind of snarky, nerdy.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: Who I still refer to as David.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah, right.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: I think it's Leonard, but I still call him David. David, yeah.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: I watched like the first two seasons of that show.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: I can't take it. But yeah, what I remember was like,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: this feels like everything I think Big Bang Theory is. Again,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: it was probably great for the movie. Yeah, I was
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: going to say, from the marketing standpoint, this is not
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: my humor.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: Because even though I went today, the theater was pretty
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: full of people. And no one was laughing at any
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: of the jokes. And it was like, yeah, yeah. Like,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: cause I don't know. It just, everything went quiet and
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: they would like make the joke at like the particular moment.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: And you're just like, that just wasn't.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: The toes one was terrible. I thought after the victory,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: that joke was cyborg to Superman. They start laughing. Like
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: that was not funny. Is that even a joke? There
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: was a joke that I thought could have been funny.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: Had it been in a different movie, delivered by a
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: different character, and it's where Batman's like, oh yeah, something's
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: definitely bleeding. I feel like had anybody else in the
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: world said that besides Batman, that would have been hysterical.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: I felt like they were trying to do some of those,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: because Avengers, it's like quick, quick little interpersonal jokes, and
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: they almost always work.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: But they're effortless in comparison.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: They're effortless, and these were just like, Effort for?
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: I did like, because when the Flash and Cyborg were
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: digging that grave and he was like, trying to go
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: for the fist bump. And then he was like, oh,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: like racially charged. I was like, good. I'm glad you
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: said it.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: You are trying really hard.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: But then they have him say Booyah again, which is like, geez.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: Jesus Christ.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: But again, that's mushiness. But that's the only way anybody
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: knows him. Do that with characters because it's like, wait,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: if you pull yourself out, it's like, you wrote that though.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: You can't really do that. Be the guy writing the
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: offense and then call yourself out on the offense. I
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: always get a little weird about those kind of jokes
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: where it's like, you set that up for yourself though.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like you were commenting on something. You're making
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: the point of how awkward you are. I shouldn't have
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: said that shitty thing. I was like, what? see that's
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: the thing I remember even before we were talking about
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: like Flash is potentially gonna be the comic relief and
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: we were worried about the jokes all the time I
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: didn't feel like most of those were even jokes like
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: it was he was being super awkward the whole time
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: or he was being the one that's scared all the
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: time but I'm like I didn't really even feel like
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: he was very jokey like cause you almost have to
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: be self aware and you have to be like haha
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna make a joke now his didn't even feel
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: like that they were forced moments but they weren't even
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: like quippy, jokey stuff.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just kind of like lines that had
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: like comedic timing set up around it, but weren't jokes.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: But weren't really jokes.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: Like when Aquaman's like, oh, you say anything, whatever, after
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: he had that kind of like forced, honest moment. And
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: the Flash was like, oh, I didn't get anywhere past,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: we're all gonna die. And it was just like, it
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: was set up like it was gonna be this big laugh.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: The only one that was funny was, again, during the weird,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: awkward Diana and Bruce thing of like, if she kills you,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: you know we're all going to cover up. We're all
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: going to back her, right? I was like, okay, that
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: was pretty funny. We all know who's going to get
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: killed in this scenario.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: He had one joke that I laughed at a lot,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: but I can't remember what it was.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: I think I only laughed like once, too. I found
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: that the jokes were entertaining as you watch them, but
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: they weren't laugh out loud jokes. Again, they didn't even
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: feel like jokes to me.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: And the silent theater made it worse. Everyone else was laughing.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: We haven't really addressed them. villain much other than his.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: What's there to address?
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: I remember Yeah, that's a good point. I can't not
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: hear things ahead of time, and I heard how bad
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: his CGI was, so I expected him to look a
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: little flat or whatever, but his fucking mouth couldn't even
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: match the words.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: That, to me, was.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: I don't care if the rest of him looks pixelated.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: Get that fucking mouth right, because his upper lip, I
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: swear to God, is a straight line. I swear to God,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: it looks like a goddamn video game. The bottom lip,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: it was Skyrim. It was like Skyrim, the villain. He
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: did not look human at all.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: The whole movie, I'm sitting there thinking... with what they've
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: done with him, why did they go with this villain?
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: Out of the entire universe, they pick Steppenwolf, which I
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people know who he is
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: outside of the fanboys.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: Let you know.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: And then finally at the end... He drops it, you know,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: where he's like, oh, Darkseid or Darkseid, whatever the hell. Yeah, Darkseid.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: How many people do you think heard that, though?
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: Did you guys catch that he even said Darkseid?
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: Well, it took me a second because I thought he
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: meant like, oh, darkness. And I was like, oh, no, Darkseid.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: Turn to the Darkseid.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, no way. That's a different one.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's why he's here. And then I'm thinking,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: why are they picking? I know Darkseid's kind of popular
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: right now, but.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: He's like Silver Surfer to Galactus. Steppenwolf is like, I'm
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: going to come set this shit up so that Darkseid
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: can come and wreck it. Yeah. The only reason I
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: knew Steppenwolf back in the day is he was in
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: that Superpowers series and I had the toys. And he
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: did come with a giant battle axe. But again, that
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: was just a guy. He wasn't a flaming CG demon.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: He was just a dude with a gochi and a
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: sword and a big battle axe. He literally looked like Ares. Yeah.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 4: At first, I was like, is that the same?
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: I guarantee he was borrowed resources. I guarantee they're like,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: can we get that disc with Ares? Cool, thank you.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: Modify these textures on the armor, give him a new helmet,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: and put this dude's face on it, but not mocap
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: it well? same complaint about all of these it's like
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: it's just a big dumb cg whatever the hell he's
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: supposed to be villain at the end that we have
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: to fight i'm like the villain.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: Why bug dudes the landscapes like all the cgi that
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: just wasn't necessary that took me out of the movie
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: a little bit i.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: Was never interested in steppenwolf in the movie in.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: The movie now that's i think he could have been
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: again if you made him just like kind of more
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: of a human And had some sort of purpose as
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: to why it was there.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: My whole thing was like, okay, there's your Thanos, and
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: the mother boxes are your Infinity Stones.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: I got you. It's not real subtle, yeah. This is
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: the thing. That scene that was my favorite scene in
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: the last movie, which was the dream sequence... Because all
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's funny how much he planted that.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, I guess Zack had almost a plan,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: which I don't normally give him that much credit. But
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: the fact that the bug villains are in that, in
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: the dream sequence, that's all of the stuff that Batman
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: is fighting with and is super cool, overcoat Batman, is
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: fighting the giant bugs that we didn't realize what that
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: was at the time. You want to go back to
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: plot holes and stuff again? Oh, yeah. In the second movie,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: how did we meet Flash? That sequence, him like, oh
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: my god! But at least that involves time travel. And
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: it insinuated that this dark future was going to happen
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: because of the Lois thing, but I mean... So were
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: you just supposed to assume that was all wrapped up?
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: That's the one I'll at least. Because of Lois in
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: that movie? Or is this still on? No. Because Steppenwolf
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: is real. So obviously some elements of that vision and
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: stuff were rolling. But is that okay? Because you got
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: Lois in the second movie? That was the only one.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: Because that's the point the flash went to. I could only.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: Because it was a dream.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 4: They have plausible deniability.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. That's right. But I was like, that's the
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: one I could almost give them an out because it
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: does involve time travel. So at least that flash is
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: from a future that we haven't gotten to yet. And
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: if you believe IMDb is coming, because it has Flashpoint
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: listed as an upcoming, it's like 2020. That's Flash's solo movie.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: It's the Flashpoint. Which I feel like is possibly may
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: or may not happen now. But it does have it
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: already slotted on IMDb. I feel like we're about to
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: do the X-Men thing all over again. I think after
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: the blowback of this, I think WB is going to
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: dial it back real hard. And I think they're really
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: going to consider with this Flash movie doing a soft
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: reset like X-Men did with First Class. I think we
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: might get a... Because Ben, I know Ben Affleck already
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: wants out. He knows I don't want to lose Gal
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: Gadot at all. all no but i feel like some
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: weird soft reset is probably going to be where they
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: go because.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: Well it seems like there's a reset every three years
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: with batman anyway.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah kind of but then well again bringing up that
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: that part of the universe did you i mean to
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: me they're again so much of this feels like they're
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: just stealing from other stuff How about the Quicksilver scene
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: of him shoving the sword? I almost said that. I
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: was like, it's exactly, like, here's a big slow-mo, show
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: a shot of how we can do a cool CG slow-mo.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: We got a really fast guy, what worked in the
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: X-Men movies, so let's do it again here. Because, I mean,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: it became his thing for two movies. I mean, other
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: than playing Sweet Dreams, I mean, it was like, well,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: here's Quicksilver. As soon as it started, I was like,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: this is a great silver scene. Here's his money shot.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: He's got to make it work. Way to be original, guys.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: I get that this dude's fast. And it even kind
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: of bugs me that the speed force wasn't yellow. I
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: don't understand those kind of minor changes. And Ben Affleck
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: can't dye his hair black anymore? He had brown hair.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: There was just weird things. Again, as a comic person,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, you guys are just lazy.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: Dyeing someone's hair, doing a color. These are the simple
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: things you guys aren't even being active about.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, the organization of this movie just stopped. Yeah.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: They really did. I mean, there's no other explanation for it.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: For a while there, they tried with all the rewrites
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: and the reshoots, but then somebody had to say, fuck it,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: we got to get this out in time for Thanksgiving.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: Well, didn't it have the whole Fantastic Four thing where
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: they finished the movie and they watched it, and apparently
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: everyone freaked the fuck out, and that's when they started
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: calling Joss, and that's when, I want to say there
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: was an initial viewing, and they were like, no. This
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: can't go on. See, I didn't even know if it
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: got that. I mean, to me, I don't think it
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: would have even gotten any rewrites, any reshoots. I think
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: I hang out on YouTube too much. I don't know
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: what's real and what's not. Had Zach not had his
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: personal tragedy, I don't think he would have backed out. Oh, no,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: I don't think he would have left. He's too hard-headed.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: But I don't even know that he would have, like,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: he probably has something in his contract. Like, nope, I
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: get to say what this is, or I walk, and, like,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: there's still, for some reason, think he's supposed to be
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: a name.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: Do you remember when that was? a good thing.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Artistically. But now we need somebody.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: Hitchcock had total control. No, not always.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: When it worked in his... Right. When he was happy.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: A lot of the time, he still fought with it, which, again,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: is the system at work.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, bad example. But my point is, there are people
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: who have had.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: We used to want them to give complete control to directors.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: And now, it's like.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: We're getting... Lost their way. We're getting these.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: Glue-induced dreams. Glue-sniffing-induced dreams.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: Hey, that was the best part of the last movie.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: I like the weird bug characters. I wish we could
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: have done more with them, because they seem kind of
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: like a waste, really. They are a big deal. In
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: the last movie, when it showed them, that was one
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: of the things I worked out to. I was like,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: oh my god, we got to see parademons. Even the
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: way they introduced them, that weird... Why is Batman having
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: a conversation with a crook about a parademon? That was
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: weird that he was even kind of That they were
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: even having that weird back and forth. I'm like, fuck
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: that dude. Why would Bruce Wayne tell that dude shit?
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: It was weird to me. Batman was so neutered in
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: this movie.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: It was so strange because one second he's holding them
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: off the edge of a building and the next second
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh yeah, by the way, there's these things.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: He's chit-chatting with them.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: And like, again, we should all be like, yes, Steppenwolf
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: was badass because he had the potential to be.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, he kind of Design-wise, he looked okay, except
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: for the weird things coming out of his chin. The
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: part that was actually pretty cool was him busting out
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: with the Amazons. The fight with the Amazons, where they're
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: constantly passing off the box, losing people along the way.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: It was kind of a cool concept.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: At that early stage of the movie, even, I was like,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: why don't you just give me Wonder Woman 2? And
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: we'll just call it.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: And just this. Quit muddying the waters with all this
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: other crap. Even as you said it, how great would
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: that have been right there to bring it down to
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: two or three more movies. Have one movie with Diane
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: losing the hell box. Mother box there. Then go to Aquaman,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: have one with them losing the box there. And then
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: for the third mother box, have them all come to Bruce.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: And it's like, hey, the last box. We've got to
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: protect it. You could have. Not that Wonder Woman would
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: need it. Maybe, I don't know, maybe somehow Flash.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: See, that's the problem.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: All these questions raise more questions that you can't answer.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: I couldn't buy into their good friends. You were just
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: supposed to just accept it.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: Bruce and Diana?
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: Well, everyone. Somewhere about halfway in, you're just supposed to go,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: we all get along. It's like watching Friends.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: Well, Batman has never wanted to work.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: Everyone gets along here.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: Batman has never wanted to work with anybody. And in
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: this movie, he's like, I'm going to put together a team.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: I feel like they slaughtered Batman's character in this movie.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: Why was he so inept at everything? And his whole
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: thing is he's the genius detective. It wasn't like he
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: was smart in this one. It was almost like he
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: was chasing his tail. Like, I don't know what to do, guys.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: Come on. We need more of us. I don't know
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: what to do. And it's like, you're not Batman in
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: the combat. You're not Batman behind the desk. You're not
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: Batman except for the money and the vehicles. And I'm
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: just like, what? Does Zack hate Batman too? Like, I
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: don't understand why. Again, I think the only thing. Because
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: he was kind of the likable thing for me in
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: the last one. In this one, I'm like, well, now
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: I don't even like Batfleck.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, the only thing that kind of, I don't
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: even know if it worked. It had potential. I do
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: still like the two of them together. I like the
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: Diana and Bruce thing. Sure. When she comes in and
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: he's like busted to hell. Like, that's almost a good scene. Like,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: it's when they're arguing it's kind of weird but the
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: one minute when it's kind of like you even kind
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: of see her like why do you do this like
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: you know him being the one human you know everybody
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: else has weird powers and it's a demigod and like
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: he's just like i don't know i'm stupid and i
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: feel like this is what i need to do like
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: i feel like that dynamic is cool and we've seen
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: it work in other mediums and it's like, I would
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: like to see a world where we could make a
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: cool Wonder Woman, Batman team up and have them kind
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: of work together and have them just have good dialogue.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: We don't really get it here, but there's just enough
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: of a promise that I'm like, why can't that work?
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: Why can't we actually have that? Introduce you to some
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: great DC cartoon. Oh yeah, that's what I'm saying. Their
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: animated stuff gets their chemistry so good. We've seen it work.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: That's the stuff that I wish was happening on screen.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: And that's, I guess, where my frustrations come is that
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: those things have totally worked in the comics. I love,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: one of my greatest clashes between Wonder Woman and Batman
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: is when Wonder Woman gives Batman shit about Robin because
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: she's like, what the fuck are you doing adopting children
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: and putting them out here to fight crime? There are
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: great moral conflicts between these characters that are really interesting
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: if you build them up first so that you kind
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: of understand everyone's kind of where they're coming from with
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: these things and stuff. But right now, like I said,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: I feel like We're just supposed to assume all this
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: history is somehow there, even though we just watched them meet. Yeah.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: It's been like, how long do you think that movie was?
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: In the movie? One day? Two day? A week?
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: How long?
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: Because to me, it felt like two days. And I'm like,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: how do we do that in two days?
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: It's just, come on, guys. Yeah, because I remember when
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 4: Wonder Woman said, oh, we maybe have 24 hours. Or
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 4: like two days.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like, when they're on the lake or whatever,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: she says, because he's like, how long do we have?
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: And she's like, days. And I'm like, well, shit. Like, Dazed?
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: Is this all going to happen in, like, days? Once again,
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: showing her as the badass without doing anything with the cyborg.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: She's like, if I wanted to attack you, I would
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: have just done it by the leg.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's pretty cool. That's pretty awesome. Like, again,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: just more of that. More of that.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: Just more of that.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: And cyborg, like, the whole block going down, like, as
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 4: he approaches. Like, okay, so that's cool, cyborg. I don't need...
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: hacker cyborg.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: I don't even want that. It makes sense, I guess.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: You would at least have somebody on the team if
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: there's somebody going to be able to do that kind
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: of shit.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: But Alfred can be a hacker-like person.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: Hell, The Flash could be a hacker.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: You're making the same arguments comic people are making. Cyborg
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: is a really... mixed character, even in the comics. There's
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: just so many times you're like, what is his purpose?
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: Because he is just that guy on the... He's R2-D2.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: He's that guy on the fly that does whatever he
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: needs to do to keep moving forward.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: But if they're going to take such liberties with all
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: of these characters, why not take all the liberties with Cyborg?
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 4: If he's going to turn off a fucking block, what
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: else can he do? What else can he do in
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: this movie? Not in the comics, but in this movie
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: to make him more interesting and awesome? And I feel
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 4: like they were just like, okay, fuck with the cubes.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: Well, again, they started interesting and then just ditched it.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: Once it became the team and everybody got along, it
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: was just like, oh, he's just there to be pals
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: with everybody else.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: Not even that far into it. After he had his
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: face-to-face with Wonder Woman, it was just like, yeah, he's
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: just in the background now.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: Once he stripped down. Yeah. When he was still wearing
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: the hoodie, he was interesting. It was so hard not
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: to look at his body. I know how to context this. Okay,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: now we've got some deeper stuff going on. I constantly
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: couldn't help but look at the edge of his face.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's true.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: And just be like, it's kind of proportionally correct, or
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: is it? And I just... It was one of those,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: I was trying not to take that into account, because
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, I'm kind of liking what they're doing
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: with this character in the beginning, and I'm like, This
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: outfit looks terrible. Flash is kind of in the same boat.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: I'm like, he could be an interesting character. I don't
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: like this outfit or whatever it's supposed to be.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: I didn't hate the Flash's outfit as much as I thought.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, at least he came up with reasoning for
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: most of why it is the way it is. It's silly.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: His face is completely exposed.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I know.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: I'm like, why isn't your face just burning up? When
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: his face is burning off immediately.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, what?
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: And just to mention earlier when I complained about the
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: Speed Force color, that might sound picky, but it's relevant.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: In the comic, he starts off doing yellow. Blue is
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: like next level. Blue is like, I'm super saiyan. So
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: the fact that he's like blue out the gate, even
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: though it's reverse, he's actually slower. So he's reverse slash.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: Because he should be able to beat Superman. But I
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: feel like at this point, they're making out like he's
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: not that good yet.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 9: But.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: That's our Rocky III ending. That's how they showed that.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: Are you ready to do this?
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: And then we don't really know who wins.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: At the edges in blue, closer to where it's more concentrated.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: That makes sense. Rocky III, just saying. I don't know.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: Now that you mention that, that's.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: All I can think of. It's totally Rocky III.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: They should have just freeze frame and that was almost
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: like tiger that was almost like a.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: Stinger for that like that part like 1983 like they
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: were kind of like the first time you get one
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: of those like oh we don't really know what happened
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: there i guess we'll have to come back to the
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: next movie right like which they still never really clarify
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: later i think he kind of claims that one or
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: the other but i think that by then one of
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: them's dead i remember i want to say in the
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: comics eventually like he just He gets faster in Superman,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: but I think there is a good chunk of time
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: where I think he can even fly faster in Flash
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: for once, which he did in this movie. He did
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: fly with him at one point. But it reminds me
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: of Thundercats. Do you remember when Lionel had to go
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: up against all the other cats in his solo challenge? Yeah,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: they had to beat them, so he had the Chitarra race.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: He had to run faster than Chitarra.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: And he did it because of the endurance. She beat
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: him out the gate. Have you not seen that trail?
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: But she couldn't maintain the strength to run the full distance,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: so by the end, Lionel was able to catch up
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: and beat her by the end. So maybe it'll do
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: something like that. Lionel's the Superman. Flash is faster out
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: the gate, but maybe Superman just... He's not a human,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: so that dude could probably fly or move so much longer.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: He's got endurance because he's a weird alien dude. Again,
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: because we planted the Green Lantern seed. That was a
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: great five-second scene. It swinged a hammer and stuff, and
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, why is it here? I kept waiting
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: to see if that was coming back as the stinger.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: There's confirmed deleted scenes. There's confirmed that there was more
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: of the lanterns in there, and they took them out.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: But again, because we needed to see a family that
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: lives outside of a nuclear silo that refuses to fucking leave.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: And their pickup, that works, but we're going to wait. Again,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's people that are running this show
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: that are kind of out of touch with humanity that
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: want to be like, oh, no, these are regular people.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: Let's show regular people.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: This is all you have for your life? 1% of
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: motherfuckers thinks that's regular people living in a shack outside
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: of a nuclear silo. Poor people. This is how we
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: show regular people. You poor idiots, as they go to
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: their mansion. So I feel like it really is just
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: a disconnected attempt at being like, here's what life is
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: like for regular people. Look how poor they are. I
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: think it's supposed to be this slice of life thing.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: When all these crazy superheroes are running around, Here's what
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: the poor regular people have to do.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 4: And you think an impoverished family is going to have
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 4: bug spray? Let me tell you, they're not. That's not
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: going to happen.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: Because they live with bugs all day long. There's no
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: bug spray that's going to fix the mountains of roaches
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: that live in their house.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. That house looked pretty clean.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: That's because it was wiped out by nuclear wash. It
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: killed everything in it. Even the roaches. That's hardcore.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: That is hardcore.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: It's hard to kill roaches. I have to say I
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: was disappointed in the combat. Well, I'm just wondering if,
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: do we think, had this gone better than it actually did,
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: we'd immediately be looking at Green Lantern next? Because we
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: know that was already on the slate, too. But now that, again,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: I wonder how much all of this is going to
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: be retooled now.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: If not completely tossed. Like I said, I'm not going
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: to say Dark Universe, but I definitely think that they
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: might be in that X-Men universe. area now where they're
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: probably going to consider the fact that Flashpoint exists as
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: a story in his universe is that reset button over
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: there that they can cash in on if they want to.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, that's a lot of, again,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: if we're listening to IMDb 2020, what the hell are
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: they going to do between now and then if that's
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: the case? They may have to bump this up quick. Yeah,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: they may have to bump this up quick and reboot
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: if that's what they're going to do because I don't
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: know what else to do. Yeah, that's a tough choice
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: because Wonder Woman definitely has a future. Oh, yeah. Solo movies.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: How do you not jeopardize that and do a soft reset?
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: I definitely want, even after seeing this, I definitely want
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: another Wonder Woman movie. I'll take another Batman movie. I
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: don't want a Aquaman movie based solely on his performance
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: in this movie.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: It was very weird also because when he's talking to Meera...
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: They make it out like he hasn't even been to Atlantis.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, what? The son of, like, the prince
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: has never been to, okay. And by the way, where
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: the hell do you go? Yeah, when he went and
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: got the trident, where, what? Did the water tell him,
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: I guess? Because you never... When he walks to the ocean...
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: And when they shut up home, they go, hi, mom,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: I'll be back later. I'm going to borrow the Trident.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: It was just... Walks to the ocean, does he just
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: have an apartment down there somewhere? Like, where the fuck
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: does he go if he doesn't live in Atlanta?
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 4: That weird little village, that's where he lives.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: Well, no, he seems like he's there all the time.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, well, then why are you Aquaman if
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: you hang out on the shore with these drunk people
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: all day long? That's just, it's so misguided, their whole
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: Aquaman yeah It just is. They don't know what to
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: do with him. Much like everybody. Nobody knows what to
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: do with him as a superhero. Because he's weird.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 4: I guess they were trying to make him not be
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 4: a goofy throwaway.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: Because he has been. He's been a joke for the
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: last 20, 30 years.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: So I'm glad they didn't make him a joke.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: But he's actually a badass.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: In the comics.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, the popular culture sees him as
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: a joke.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: Dude can control sharks and whales and shit.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: But that's hard to be a threat when you're in Metropolis.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: When you're in Death Valley, it's really hard.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: One of the Mother Cubes should have been down there. Yeah.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: It would have at least made sense. I thought it was.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: One of the Mother Cubes should have been down there. Well,
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: I mean like in a battle kind of way. Instead
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: of fighting in a tunnel. A third of the plot
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: should have been there. Because one of the fights should
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: have happened down there where he could have did some stuff.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: And being like, oh, that's Aquaman.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: But this raises another thing. The mother box cube, whatever
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: it was, that was down there, you get like four
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: seconds of that. And then the third one, you don't
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: even see him steal it. You just see him drop
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: in and he's gone and they're like.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: He's boom-tuned it right out. They're like, who.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: Forgot to lock the door?
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: And then even when it is underwater, it's kind of
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: a boring fight. I'm like, this isn't Thunderball. You can't
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: make this work like that.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 4: There was no army of the Amazonians coming for it.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 4: He knocked out three people, took it, boom.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: And then it has to be silent and bubbles the
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: whole time, so it's not going to be an effective rain.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: Are you telling me that the only way they can
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: commute is with air? I don't care what weird thing
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: you have to do to insinuate that they're talking underwater.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: This idea that you've established now that they can only
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: talk in air bubbles is like, what? How else do
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: we get to see Mandy Lane? well that is important
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: but i mean we gotta hang out with her for
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: a minute because we got her in the credits so
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: we gotta do.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: Something but they they had i think they had to
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: do that because they were like we can't afford any
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: more we can't afford to film these guys underwater we
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: can't even afford fucking subtitles while they're talking.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: We can't do sonar we don't know what to do
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: with these people just have them stand in a bubble
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: and talk who cares which i feel like is a
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: lot of their approach i don't know who cares just
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: fill in this part and we'll do this over.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: Here i i think there was a when they said
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: who cares, I think there was desperation in their voice.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: Like, who cares?
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: I just, I want to go home. I miss my wife.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: I've been working on this movie for 10 years. Why
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: does it still suck?
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: You know, the cocaine's not even fun anymore at this point.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: I think Snyder and wife, I think are both still
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: producing everything going forward. I think they're off director's chair,
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: but I think he's still going to be in there
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: doing stuff. I'm sure. I mean, when you're that far in.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: It's behind the camera, fine, but I don't know. Like
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: I said, I'm, This was the hump, is the thing,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: is that, you know, I know that things have happened
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: so long ago, you kind of forget, but this was
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: the last one that Zach was, you know, involved in
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: before Jeff Johns, and everything was going to start shifting.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: It's now forward that there should be a very dramatic change. Like,
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: very dramatic, but that's what I'm scared of. Like, I
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: don't know if this is going to get him over
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: the hump. Like, this did not. It did so.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 4: Because this is the big daddy.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: It should be.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: But it wasn't really built to be.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 9: It wasn't.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: It was Rush to be hurry up and cash in
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: on this, and that's what it feels like. But that's
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: my other thing. It's like, okay, we've already planted the
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: Green Lantern seed. What about Deathstroke? I mean, they obviously
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: have a plan for that in their mind. It was
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: supposed to be the Batman movie.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: But now, who the fuck knows what's going on with
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: the Batman movies. I hear Jake Gyllenhaal is now supposed
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: to be the new Batman.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 9: No.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: Sorry. They've already announced that. No. No. I'd take him
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: as Nightwing, but I would not take him as Bruce Wayne.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: I think he'd be a great Nightwing.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: He'd be a great Nightwing, but I would not take
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: him as Bruce Wayne. Hell, let's get this project going.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: Unless they're doing, was it Batman 20? What's the futuristic
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: Batman in the black and red?
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 4: If he's supposed to be like teenage Batman, that'll be fine.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: I feel like we can still pull him. We can
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: do a Mask of the Phantasm movie.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 4: Jake, he can't be Batman.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: He can't.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 4: I will protest.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: You can.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 4: Can I start, like, a change.org petition?
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: You know, I think that would be the one time
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: that people saying, oh, this guy can't be Batman, and
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: would actually be right. Yeah. Because they said that about
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: Michael Keaton, and they were wrong there.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: Said that about Ben Affleck.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: Said that about Ben Affleck, and he told me that.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: Said about George Clooney, and they were right. Well.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: No offense to him, but they're all right.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: Poor George Clooney.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't his fault.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's even standing there in the bat suit
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: just looking around like, what do I do? I agree
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: with you.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: Is Jake going.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 4: To wear dark brown contacts? Because I don't believe it.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: Colors are better anymore. We can give him blonde hair.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: He can be the blonde Bruce Wayne.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: They'll spend $ 90 million to CGI his eyes. I'm going to.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 2: If they can redo his lip, I mean, I guess
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: they can redo his eyes. Too much. Did anyone else
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: kind of feel like Aquaman's eyes were a bit too pupil-y?
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: I get you wanted him to have crystal eyes or something,
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: but he looked like he was a cook the whole time.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: His eyes were like, yeah, like he was like... Maybe
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: that's how they were playing him. Aquaman! Here's your check.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: That would explain why... I don't want to.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: Do my face right now, but I'm ready to save
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: the world.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: That would explain why he seemed to be the only
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: person excited to be in this movie.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look how much coke I'm getting. It's all that
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: puffer fish powder.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, man. Fun fact, he's Lisa Bonet's husband. My wife
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: was excited by that reason.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: I remember kind of hearing that. I mean, he's no
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: Lenny Kravitz, but what are.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: You going to do? Yeah, but who among us are?
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: And props to Lisa Bonet, though, man. That girl is
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: killing it. Yeah, did you see... they posted it the
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: other day on her birthday she's like 50 or something
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: she looks it still looks exactly like she did like
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: 25 years old it's like the older sister from yeah
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: from the cosby show nice or high fidelity wherever you
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: want to go with it i don't know that's the
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: i'm like that's why i was by the end i'm
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: like where are we even going with this now where
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: do we i don't know but i don't think they
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: know i think that no that's the takeaway from this
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: is like At this point, like even going in, I
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: feel like they were probably unsure of how things were
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: going to go. They had the plan a year ago,
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: but now everything's gone to hell. So it's like, let's
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: just try to make this work and hopefully it'll work.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: And it didn't really. I feel like critically, it's not
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: going to be taking a whole lot of pats on
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: the back. And then financially, it's not doing great so far.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, I don't know how much this is
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: now going to reshift everything. I don't think it'll break $ 500.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 5: Probably not.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, globally, if you did 145
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: in week one, it's only down from there. How many
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: more weeks can you pull good numbers? I don't think
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: they'll hit 500.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: Here's what's weird about this is it's only Monday. The
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: movie came out, what, Friday, Thursday?
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: Thursday evening.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: I have not, as of yet, I have not seen
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: anything about it on social media. And I'm sure people
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: have taken pictures. But I have not, I mean, for
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: every movie that comes out, I see somebody the next
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: day talking.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: Smack at least.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: I love this.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: I hate it.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 9: Blah, blah, blah.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: People have been talking.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 4: About Punisher on my feed and not Justice League.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: I haven't even seen that.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: I've seen, like I said, I hang out on YouTube
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: way too much. And there's a lot of videos from
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of the geeky people I kind of go
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: to that say that they think that this might have
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: been the Ghostbusters for the superhero world. This might have
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: been the one where people made a point, like, I'm
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: not fucking going to this one.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 5: Nope.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming you mean the remake of Ghostbusters. Yeah, yeah, sorry, yeah.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: But I feel a lot of comic people are guessing
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: that because the numbers are so low that they were like, damn,
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: we thought you were still going to go. But even
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: the geeks are like, man, we didn't go, did we? Like,
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: maybe we're finally... over it we're like we're not giving
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: you any more money for this because you i mean
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: you even look at the last one i mean i
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have if we weren't doing this batman.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: I would not have i would probably wouldn't i would
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: have waited till it came out on red box version.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 4: Because i was like thursday i was like should i
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 4: go tonight no i don't feel.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: Like that's why i really wanted to do it saturday.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 4: Sunday i did the same thing i was like should
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 4: i see it today no i don't feel like it
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 4: i feel like don't feel like oh fuck i gotta
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 4: talk about.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: Later so i gotta go yeah there's only so much
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: i can bullshit again i.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: I do feel like it was not the worst movie
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: that I've seen.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: It wasn't, really.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: Even this year. But the fact that we keep... The
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: more we talk about it, the more we're like, oh, yeah,
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: and this part sucked. It's like I said earlier, I
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: can't talk about it without using the word but.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: It's pretty close to my... feelings on Suicide Squad. That's
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: what I was exactly going to say. There's so many
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: good points there and so much bullshit surrounding it all.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: That's kind of what this is. Even ending is a throwaway.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: We're like, this person has destroyed a world somehow. Oh,
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: we got it. CG, whatever. Who cares? The whole world
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: doesn't even know it almost died.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: They don't know. This is my thing.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: Just a family in Russia.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: This is my thing. We brought Superman back to life.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: Who knows? Seriously, there was no... superman in front of
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: like cameras like world i'm back look everything's great again
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: it was just i'm gonna go home and talk to
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: my wife and mom and i'll catch you guys with
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: the baddie later like he didn't even like well that
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: fight alone that fight scene alone in should have drawn
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: so much attention to the fact they could have did
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: it that way like just a crowd is watching the
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: justice like all you got were like.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: Three cops and i don't even know why they were
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: there well.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: Because you have to you have to trash cop cars
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: it's a movie at some point you have to trash
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 2: a cop car that's how it works that's kind of
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: what i felt like i was like the only reason
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: those cop cars are there is for somebody flying into
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: it in a minute and there it was like oh
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: smash that one oh smash that one all right we're
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: good i'm curious about the two hour and 45 minute cut.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: Not that Any part of me thinks that's going to
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: salvage anything, but I am curious at least at what
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: this other 45 minutes of footage is. If it made
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: more sense that way.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: I don't see how it could. I honestly don't.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: But I mean, maybe there's these weird holes that are
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: there now that at least wouldn't be there. They still
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: might not make sense. There was one scene, and I
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: didn't mention earlier because I'm not positive, but I could
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: have swore there was one scene during the first fight
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: with Steppenwolf. I think it was the one that led
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: to the tunnel, maybe. Maybe. But there's some scene where
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: Batman was running along and there was something going on
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: with a parademon near a doorway. And I want to
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: say he shot it with a grappling hook, but then
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: the very next scene was just him running through the door.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: As if whatever he did with the parademon was gone.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: That sounds about right. Where I found myself going, whoa,
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: did him shooting it kill it? Or was there a
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: whole thing there that we cut out? There's... There was
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: things like that to me where I was like, I'm
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: pretty sure you are in a completely different place now.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: I kind of remember that. Even in a bigger scale,
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: when they were fighting Steppenwolf, I didn't know they were
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: under Gotham's harbor and whatever. I was like, what?
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: You're in Gotham?
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. When did you guys get to Gotham? Because they
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 2: never leave that area. When did Steppenwolf get to Gotham?
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 2: Even the last movie, it's like, oh, we happen to
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: be in the harbor, which, oh, look over there.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: It's Metropolis.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 2: They never leave that three block. Because Chicago can see
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: New York from the top of the building. Obviously, of
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: course they can. So yeah, again, even geography is off
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: in these movies. Like I said, kids movie. Yeah. I'm
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: telling you, if you can go into it with a
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: kid's mindset, you will enjoy this movie.
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: I have been told I have the mind of a
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: child many times.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: By me.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 5: Which is....
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: Saying something, and I was like.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: Seven-year-old me would freak out. That's what I was saying.
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: I guess that's the best way to put it. I'm
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: not saying that you can achieve a kid mentality and
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: watch this movie, but if you are a kid, this
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: is Flash Gordon. This is just eye-cannying. You're going to
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: gush and love it. Do you think kids would watch
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: this and be like, I want more superheroes. Is it
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 2: going to work? Is it like easing your way in?
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: Is it bringing in new fans the right way? Even
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: though I said it, the tone feels like that. There's
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: so much talking.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: I think as a kid, I'd be like, that's like
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: the kid I was talking about earlier that was sitting
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: down the way for me. She kept like every time
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: they would, not every time they'd show a new hero,
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: but several times she'd be like, who is this person?
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: And her dad would be like, oh, that's Cyborg. And
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: she'd be like, oh, but who is he?
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 4: And.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: This wasn't your wife? Well, my wife had that question.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she had that question also.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't... Yeah, I don't know.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: Even at the post-credits scene where she was like, why
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: would Superman and the Flash race each other?
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: Because Rocky III.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: And he was like, well, it goes back. It's just,
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I don't know.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 2: And we get Lex back. Yay. Because we all loved
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 2: him as Lex so much.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: And I just hate him anyway.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, I don't hate him. I
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: think he can be really good in very specific stuff.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: You have to find stuff that suits his delivery. And
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: Lex just isn't it. Like, it's just so far removed.
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: He's good for when he can't afford Michael Cera.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: See, I go the other way. I feel like Michael
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: Cera and he used to do the same thing and
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: then he kind of progressed out of that. And Michael
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: Cera still kind of does that. I think you can
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: get way more out of... What is that?
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: Eisenberg.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: Eisenberg.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 5: There we go. Yeah.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: I think he's potential. He's fiercely typecast. He's done the
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: same thing so much that it's not like, hey, let's
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: hire someone to play this part. It's, oh, this part
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: is him. That's 75% of casting in Hollywood, truthfully.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: He's the last person I would have ever expected to
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: tap for Lex Luthor.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: Michael Rosenbaum's got nothing else going on. Why the hell
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: isn't he there?
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 4: Jesse Eisenberg has tried to rebrand himself as not the
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 4: nerd anymore, but now he's like the dark, sinister twerp.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: And I can't say I blame him for trying that.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: I mean... As an actor, you want to branch out.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 4: Branch out to one other thing.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: I just want to remind everyone that he was going
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 2: up against Billy Cranston for that part. And how much
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: better would Billy Cranston be as Lex Luthor?
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 2: Billy Cranston would have killed it as Lex Luthor. And
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: they wanted to.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: Go young, whatever. As Lex Luthor.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: I would have gladly taken it. I'd watch it.
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: I'd watch it. You just have to hold him down
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: long enough to shave all that off.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: You would. He likes that hair still. Yeah, I don't know. Like, again,
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: they seem like at one point they had a much,
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: much bigger plan. Oh my God, I think so. And
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: I just don't know what... Well, not... I think look
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 2: back over everything. On the table they did. It just,
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: on the screen, by the time they were even shooting it,
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 2: it started falling apart.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: But I can't... I can't even call the movie ambitious.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: With what we got.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: Not the movie. Again, the concept, I think, was years
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: ago when they started this plan. And it really was
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: going to be, let's rip off the Avengers plan. And
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: they started reaching for all this stuff. And they were like, oh,
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: we don't know how to do any of this.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: And I get it. The Avengers made a lot of money.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: Everybody likes it. It's a fun trip to go through.
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: But this plot was so similar to that.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 4: It was like a hollow shell of that.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: At one point, Ben Affleck is standing outside of the
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: very obviously placed Mercedes with the Flash.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 2: I think half of this was funded by Mercedes.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: Well, at that scene, though, where the Flash is like,
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: what's your superpower? And he's like, well, I'm rich. You
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: could have replaced him with Robert Downey Jr., and it
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: would not have.
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. That scene happening in my head, I was like,
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: I bet we can find three Iron Man jokes like that. Oh,
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: I'm sure of it. If we go through, we can
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: find three snippets of him saying, I'm rich, or I
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: have money, in response to someone.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: What's if he's a little bit less of a douche
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: than Jonas? They will.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 2: It's the internet. What's weird is, I hadn't thought about it,
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: but in watching just random, again, going down YouTube rabbit holes...
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: Was watching one of, I think it might have even
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: been one of the Honest trailers, which sometimes aren't even
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: very good. Like, they make such obvious statements. But by
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: the end of the one, I think, for Civil War,
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: they pulled, it was Civil War or Batman v Superman,
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: and they pulled a parallel. And, like, the stories, the characters, like,
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 2: it all matched up. Again, on, like, the, on the
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: table where they mapped all this out, like, everything was
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: exactly the same concept. And then you watch how they
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: both turned out. It's all the way that you finesse
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: that idea, obviously. Because look at how much better Civil
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: War works than Batman v Superman. But there's such similarities
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: in the plot. So it's like we see that again.
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: They're trying to pull from that same thing each time.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: And they just don't know how to do it. And
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 2: we've said that almost every time, minus Wonder Woman. But
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: they just don't know what they're doing, it seems like.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: Which is weird, because there's a lot of people involved.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: And sometimes talented by the time you're pulling in Joss.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: So it's like, somehow you need to focus this and
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: make it work.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: I know there's hundreds of people in the industry, writers, producers, whatever,
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: that grew up on this stuff.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: And why they're not tapping those people, or if they are,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: why those people are... completely losing sight of what got
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: them into this field in the first place.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 4: Because it's Hollywood nepotistic bullshit. That's gotta be what it is.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 4: No one who is passionate about comic books or even
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 4: just like movies has had enough influence to make the movie.
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: What it should be. You're 100%.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the difference.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: Because you look at what made it through on the
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: Marvel side and so much of it, when it works best...
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: is the people that actually cared about the projects and
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: they knew what they wanted to make. I don't know
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: that anybody knew really what they were going for in
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: this mess. A vision, like a real vision. I don't
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: mean to... Not the character.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, when you said it, it just reminded
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: me how Watiti was really, really tunnel vision about, I'm
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: going to capture Jack Kirby's visual essence here. I don't
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: feel like if you ask Snyder... he would have a
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: mission statement. Like, I'm going to capture the whatever of
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: the Justice League. I think to him, man, these shots
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: are going to be great. He's so specific about his
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: visual style. I think that's all he cares about. It's
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: weird because I saw another... I don't know the name,
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: so it is kind of worth it. Someone from the
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: movie funding aspect of this, the money aspect of this movie,
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: was defending it against... I guess, to reviews. It was
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: a weird way he put it, though, where he was
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: trying to justify it. And he was like, oh, don't worry, guys.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: Joss Whedon didn't ruin it. It's still a Snyder film.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: It still has that Snyder look. It still has that
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: Snyder feel. And I'm like, you don't know what the
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: fuck your own problem is.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: What are you saying? If this person went to bat
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: to get the funding, he has to still stand behind
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: it no matter how bad it becomes.
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, that kind of goes to the whole Whedon thing
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: on Twitter. Did you see that whole?
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: So the whole thing is the clickbait was you know
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: whedon slams justice league movie and i'm like what's going
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: on so it ends up like after the movie came
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: out he's liked tweets that slam steppenwolf and so now
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: they're like you're being snarky and you're kind of pooping
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: on your own movie and it's disrespectful but at the
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: same time i've seen like on the flip that people
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 2: are defending him by saying well he didn't promote avengers
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: on his twitter twitter twitter whatever he didn't promote that
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: either he's like yeah this is kind of probably a
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: little rude to do that but they're like it's his
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 2: personal account it's not his official thing he's not he's
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: not a fucking tool that's like go see my movie
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: he's It is to them is the sad part. He
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: did his job.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 4: That's what he did.
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And they kind of took his name off of everything.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: Because at first, I was going to be co-director or
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: a writer. I think he got writing. I think he
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: got writing.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: I think that's it.
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: He didn't even get a co-director on screen. He wasn't
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: listed as producer or anything. Maybe, you know, there'll be
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: an asterisk in the book. But on screen, it was
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: Zack Snyder. And like I said, the corporate suits are
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: all like, oh, don't worry, guys. It's still a Snyder film.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: And it's like, you just don't understand anything. You just
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: don't care about your feedback. Fans don't want Zack Snyder's
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 2: version of this. I'll be surprised if any more movies connect. I...
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: would guess out of this, you're going to get nothing
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 2: but kind of like what they said before with Batman.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: You're just going to get movies that are their own
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: fucking thing. One-off Wonder Woman. And I think that's just
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 2: kind of how it's going to go now. It's like,
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: fuck sinking them. I mean, that's what they should have
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 2: been doing all along. Like, don't copycat what worked over here.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: Just do a good movie on its own. Well, if
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: you're going to copycat, copycat. Or copycat. I wouldn't mind them.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: copying marvel at all but they kind of did that
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: in this movie and they just they just.
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 4: They did the avengers without having like an actual like
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 4: intricate well-built foundation right.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: That's one two and three it went straight to step
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: four they just get two through six right.
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 1: Well like any movie that it that follows another movie
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 1: somebody said we got a strike you know while it's
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 1: hot we can't.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: Be i think that's it they didn't want to wait
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: 10 years to get to.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: This you know and how long ago was was this
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: movie announced i mean it was.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 2: But money doesn't get old that's what i don't get
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 2: it's not like yeah money's gonna disappear i don't understand
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: why if you make great movies leading up to your
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: epic movie you're still making money along the way it's
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 2: weird to me that they're like well fuck pilots they
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: do okay It's the union movie that's great. It's like, okay,
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: but you can't have a union out of zero. You
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: have to set up pieces to bring them together or
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: else you get this, which like I said, just felt
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: like you're supposed to insinuate so much plot wise, relationship wise,
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: just every, you're supposed to go, oh, it must be this. Well,
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: it must be this too. And yeah, I guess that's that. No,
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: like I shouldn't have to. It's not Twin Peaks. This
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: isn't a Lynch film. I should know what happens when
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: I watch your film. It's based on a comic book.
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 2: It should be pretty straightforward. Like it shouldn't have to
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: be extra complicated. There was no holograms or, you know, trickle.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: It was ink on paper. It was right there. I mean,
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: I think that's part of it. I think it is
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: they just didn't have the patience or they didn't have
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: faith in. Because I think everybody kept waiting for the
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: superhero thing to be over.
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: And there's still people that kind of are. And I don't.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, eventually it will probably... I'm ready for it
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: to be over.
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: I feel like it will drop off a little. I
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: think it's still... But it's still amazing how much... I mean,
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: there's like another weird Marvel TV series that I didn't
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: even know about.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: There's like four.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 2: The Runaways comes out this week. I was just like,
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: they were showing the ad for that in the theater.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: I was like, how are we doing another one on
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: TV too? The thing with Marvel, what's interesting... I don't
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: know about interesting, but what I think is apparent now
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: with Marvel's philosophy is that... And this is kind of smart, is...
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: I think now they go, okay, look, we kind of
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: want to do a horror take on superheroes. So there's
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: a story over here. Or we kind of want to
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: do a drama on it. And there's a story over here.
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: I kind of feel like now they're making their choices
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: kind of based more on the tone of work. Because
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: Runaways has a very kind of hackers, like street kid
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: punks kind of thing going on. The gifted drama. What's
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: the one that looks like a horror one? No, the movie.
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: What's the... There's a... One that has Maiz Williams from
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 2: Game of Thrones is in it. It's one of the
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: other New Mutants. I'm trying to think of the other ones.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: New Mutants, right? It's the one I think attached to
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 2: Logan where they're like in the insane asylum and it
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 2: kind of looks like a horror thing. I kind of
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: feel like they're kind of picking things and doing tonal things.
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: They're going about it in way more interesting of a way,
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 2: but it's just one of the, like more of the
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 2: big picture. I'm like, I'm still amazed that people are
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: still signing on for this. Like we really like, I
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: guess it helps that Marvel keeps cranking out good movies
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: and people keep coming to the theater for that and
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 2: that's what's fueling it. But just in general, the fact
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 2: that it has been as long as it has since
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: that first Iron Man movie and the system's still working. Like,
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: if you look at trends in Hollywood, like, They don't
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 2: last this long normally. So the fact that this is
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: still functioning at all is kind of impressive in its
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 2: own right.
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's because they don't have to write any story
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 4: from scratch.
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: So they can just crank them out.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 4: They just take something and they're like, okay, we can
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 4: just edit this.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: Steal what they want.
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 1: But I also feel like Marvel learned from their mistakes
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 1: a lot earlier than DC.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 1: Because you had Daredevil. You had the Elektra movie.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: Fantastic Four.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: Fantastic Four. You had two Incredible Hulk movies. And I
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 1: think they actually listened after those, after a period of time.
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: As it continually fell on its face.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: When those came out and people were like, well, here's
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: what you're doing wrong. And they're like, well, how about
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 1: a good X-Men movie? And then they built on that.
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: And I don't think DC, I don't, I don't know
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 1: if they, I want to say they're, they're kind of
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: listening because like I said, this movie could have been
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 1: a lot worse, but I don't think they're fully listening.
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 2: They're still not listening to the right things. They're listening
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 2: to like, The short, again, the old version of Twitter.
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 2: The least amount of what you could get out there.
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh, they want us to do this.
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 2: And then they run off and do that before you
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: get to the rest of the paragraph that's like, oh, no, no, no, wait.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: There's also this other stuff you need to fix. They
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 2: remind me of that kind of boss or something you
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: might have where it's like, this is the problem. Topic
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 2: A is the issue. And you tell them that and
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 2: they're like, we can't do anything about that. What else
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 2: is wrong? And you're like, but it's topic A.
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 1: It's wrong.
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 2: What about this? I mean, we could change that, but
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 2: this is what we really need to do. Okay, well,
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: let's change that. I feel like something like that is happening,
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 2: I think, in the corporate ladder. It's still corporate mentality.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: Someone is like, no, you can't do that. We're going
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: to stick with this. I mean, I don't know. It's
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: corporate thinking, no matter if it's a retail store or
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 2: a multi-million dollar movie. It's not different. It scares me
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: when I see corporate people still kind of going, don't worry, guys,
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 2: it's still a Snyder thing.
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: And I'm like.
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 2: Well, it's that same thing. It's not that he can't
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 2: make a good movie, but... The backlash is mainly on
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 2: Snyder right now. So, I mean, he's a great director.
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 2: Let him go do whatever he wants with Watchmen again.
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't go that far. Because there was a Watchmen
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 2: reference in this one. Didn't they say something about the
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: doomsday clock?
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's just a saying in general. But that
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: was Watchmen.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 1: Come on.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 2: That was a nod to Watchmen. When you're directed by
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: Zack Snyder, in theory. Right. Obviously, that's a tie-in.
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, though.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: Pat his own ass there on the screen. Thanks for
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: that three-hour thing that completely missed it. Again, didn't understand
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 2: that either. Watchmen is visually almost frame-by-frame sometimes, but you
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: completely missed the heart, and you made the bad guys heroes,
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 2: which is what was so ironic about Suicide Squad coming
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: out later. It's like, you already fucked up with the
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: group of people that were anti-hero and made them hero,
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 2: and now you're doing it with the Justice League in
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 2: a weird way, like, Again, it's back to that Punisher thing.
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 2: It's like they don't know what to do with these
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: guys when they're... I mean, again, there is a way
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 2: to tell a comic book story that's about someone who
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 2: isn't a hero. And you can go down that road.
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 2: It's a much darker road and it's harder to figure
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 2: out the right way to go about it. You can
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 2: do it. Especially on this level, they do not know
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 2: how to do this kind of stuff. Especially trying to
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 2: do it as the anti-hero or even just somebody who's
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: Not just generically superheroes. I don't know. Again, I don't
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 2: know who to even turn to at this point to
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 2: try to fix it. When we brought in Joss and
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 2: it didn't fix it. I'm not even angry anymore. I'm
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 2: just at the point where, like I said, it's just depressing.
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 2: It's like, Justice League, if you, I know I've said
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 2: this kind of thing before, but you go back to
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: me as a kid reading comics, Justice League should have
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: been a super awesome series of movies and Avengers should
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 2: have been a second one. Like, I liked Avengers, but
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 2: for me, I don't know. X-Men's always been my main thing.
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 2: But DC Universe, I always felt like it was way
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 2: more popular than the Marvel Universe. Everyone knows Superman and Batman.
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 2: Not everyone knows all these weird guys in the X-Men.
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 2: So it's just bizarre to me that we're at this
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: point where a Justice League movie with that kind of
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 2: cast and money behind it is, I don't want to
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 2: say flopping, but not successful. It's not delivering the way
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 2: that something, that that's that huge a property, that much
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 2: money invested in it isn't getting its Again, it'll break even.
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: And so from that angle, they'll be like, oh, it
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 2: was fine. The studio will do fine. I'm sure with
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 2: DVD and Blu-ray sales, they'll get up a little and stuff. Yeah, well,
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 2: you get international, you get the DVD, it'll make its
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 2: money back. I bet they hype the fuck out of
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 2: a director's cut. I bet they hype the bejesus out
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 2: of 45 minutes of stuff you didn't get to see.
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 2: Of extra stuff that's probably not going to fix anything.
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 2: Which is fine, they need to, but man, good luck.
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 2: You have still a lot of Blu-rays to make up
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 2: for what you're not getting in the theaters.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 4: You just must really suck at sending money to the
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 4: right people.
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: Like if they're gonna.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 4: Spend all that money on it and you still like
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 4: watch the end result and go like okay.
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: Isn't it mostly advertising again i heard they all spent
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 2: the same amount as production and advertising it's not that
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: we don't know who these people are it's that you
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 2: don't tell good stories with them That's what I don't
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 2: get with those huge... I understand some of these... other
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: types of big butt, which they really don't even make anymore.
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 2: But back in the day, when the studio would invest
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 2: $ 150 million in this movie about a character you'd never
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 2: heard of, you've got to do tons of advertising. But
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: it's like, is there anybody out there who doesn't know
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 2: who Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman are? Like, you
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 2: don't have to advertise the hell out of it. Just
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 2: let people know it's out there. That's it. That's it.
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: That's all you have to do is go, oh, we
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: made a movie. It comes out this day. Go see it. Right.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: If it were good, people would do that. So the
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: fact that they still throw that much money into advertising
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 2: on something that everybody's already aware of, especially the third
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 2: or fourth or however many you want to count into
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 2: this series.
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 1: According to Wikipedia, it's five.
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 2: Five. So it's like five in, you have to push
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 2: this hard. But if you have to push that hard
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: to get this out there, you're doing something wrong. Yeah.
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 2: So that's our takeaway. You're doing something wrong.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 1: You're doing something wrong.
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming we can't cap it any.
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 1: Better than that. Well, I am glad I saw it because,
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 1: like I've said before, this whole buildup has just been,
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 1: you know, I feel so insane. Well, it has been
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 1: a roller coaster.
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, when I heard about Batman versus Superman,
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that sounds cool. And then somebody said, well,
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 1: we think they're just doing that To get you ready
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 1: for Justice League. And I was like, awesome.
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 1: Let's do it. Even when Batman v Superman came out. Yeah,
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'm still holding on for Justice League.
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: Then Suicide Squad came out. And I was like, I
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 1: don't know what you guys have done. And then Wonder
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 1: Woman came along. And okay, now we got a chance.
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 2: Got your hopes up again.
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 1: And then the most recent trailer for this movie came out.
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know how you're going to
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 1: assemble anything good out of this mess that you've shown me.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 1: And that's what they did. And there were enough interesting
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 1: scenes in this movie to make a decent trailer out of.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 1: But they didn't even bother with that.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 2: Again, they went the big dumb way, which is usually
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 2: the way they cut trailers and do promotion and all
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 4: It was like a 300 trailer.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 1: Again. And they don't even show you the villain in
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: the trailer, which is.
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 2: Maybe that was on purpose.
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, in retrospect, yeah. But when I saw the trailer,
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, so who's the bad guy? Who's the
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: bad guy?
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 1: And I honestly thought it was going to be not
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 1: just Lex Luthor, but apparently what they're setting the second
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 1: one up to be.
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 2: That's what you mean, we ever see them.
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we will. Because remember, it's not even Thanksgiving yet,
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 1: so it could surprise everybody this weekend. I don't know.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 1: I know, I know.
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 2: It's 94 on the first weekend.
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 4: It's all downhill from there. But Thanksgiving, or like the
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 4: day after Thanksgiving, everyone's going to have nothing to do.
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a huge movie day.
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 4: We're going to go see a movie. And what else
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 4: is out right now? Not a whole hell of a lot.
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Stay home and watch Punisher. I mean, that's hurting
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 2: theater anymore. Ragnarok did 21 million this weekend.
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 7: That's true.
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 2: In its third week. I can see people going to
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 2: see Thor this weekend in its fourth week overseeing. Hell,
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 2: I might go see Thor again. I would go see
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 2: Thor a second time.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 4: I would see Thor a second time.
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would too.
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 2: Before I would go see Justice League again free.
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 2: Like I could easily say that. I don't want to
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 2: spend two hours watching that again free. I'd rather pay.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 4: Because time is also money.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to spend that. But you know, Thor,
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 1: here's a big, Thor was exciting enough that if I
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 1: watch it again, I'm going to catch stuff I didn't
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 1: see the first time. This one, I think I got
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 1: it all that first.
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 2: I think you'll be more confused.
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 1: You'll get more caught up.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 2: Here's another loophole. You'll get more caught up with. I
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 2: found myself kind of doing that a little because there
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: were scenes where it would be really bleak. but a
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 2: neon sign would be really bright. And I'm like, did
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 2: Joss add color to that? Did he go, let's lighten
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 2: this up? Honestly, there are scenes where if you look
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: at the lighting, the lighting contradicts itself. It's dark, but
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 2: there'll be bright stuff. And it's like, you just brightened
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 2: up things on the screen to try to counteract that.
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 1: There were scenes where, especially background scenes in cities... Like
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 1: that first scene with Batman, it felt like they were
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 1: trying to make it look like a comic book.
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 2: Kind of like a stage production to me for a moment.
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 2: It's like, you kind of look like it's a musical.
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: Not as bad as the old Supergirl movie. Oh, man.
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 1: Where they very blatantly did that.
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 2: I had the biggest crush on her as a kid. Well,
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 2: who didn't?
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 4: I felt like it was foreshadowing a noir movie.
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 2: I had a sticker book. The old school.
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 1: The what movie?
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 4: The noir, like the Batman movie.
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 2: I kind of thought about that, too. I wish they'd
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 2: just do that right and quit wasting our time.
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 1: One of the many.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 2: standalones is one that's supposed to be a black and
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 2: white noir Batman movie. With Jake Gyllenhaal.
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 2: If you could make that work, that would be awesome,
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 2: but I don't know.
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 1: But I don't have faith in that.
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 2: I know. This system at play, I don't see it
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: working right.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 1: And really, at this point, I would rather them not
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 1: do that than to do it wrong. Give me a nice.
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 1: Give me a nice, gritty Batman movie.
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: I got that, by the way. That's going to be
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 2: a nice little soundbite. That's his take on the movie.
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 2: On Justice League right there. No surprise. That's kind of
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 2: how we all feel. All right. I think we've said
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 2: our piece.
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 4: I love how we started this. We're like, oh, it
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 4: wasn't that bad. And then we were just like, for
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 4: the next two hours, proceeded to remember.
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what I assumed.
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 1: Leaving the theater, I was like, yeah, okay, all right.
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 1: And then over the past.
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 2: 24 hours, I'm like.
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 4: It ferments.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 2: That's what it does. It's not that bad. It's not
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 2: that good either. That's why I still kind of go
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 2: with when you compared it to Suicide Squad. The first
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 2: time I watched Suicide Squad, I was like, it had issues,
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 2: but that was a lot of fun. And then the
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 2: second time I watched it, I was like, no, it
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 2: just kind of had issues.
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 1: It's got a lot of issues. I still don't think
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 1: it was as big of a mess as Suicide Squad.
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 2: It's a big mess.
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 4: I still haven't seen Suicide Squad.
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 2: It's a big mess. I avoided it. It's got good
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 2: moments in it, but it is a mess.
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 1: They're few and far between, though.
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 2: It feels pieced together like this does. It feels like
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 2: it had so many problems that they just slapped it together.
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 1: The moments in Suicide Squad that are great are where
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 1: you have Will Smith and one other character. Anything other
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 1: than that, it's just like.
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 2: Luckily, we lose half of the squad and don't focus
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 2: on them anyway, so... It's such a shanks. I really love...
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: Some of the Suicide Squad stories are so great.
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 2: And I still kind of go back to that one.
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 2: I think it's Attack on Arkham. Like, it's so good. So,
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 2: so good. It's so well written and it's so neat
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 2: to get it from their perspective and see them so
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 2: afraid of Batman. But it's like they didn't even focus
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 2: on that. Like, Batman was there just to establish that
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 2: they were criminals, not to be a plot element.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And it would have been better if he just would have...
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  Speaker 2: You didn't even need that much more footage of him.
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  Speaker 2: Just have him drop through the roof and then go, oh, fuck,
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  Speaker 2: and run. And that would have been cool. It's like, see,
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  Speaker 2: they are scared to death. And have Batman catch them
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  Speaker 2: one at a time or something instead of... Yeah. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. There's a million other things he could have did.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to start down that rabbit hole. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But for a future episode.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that like a two-year-old movie and we're still tearing
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  Speaker 1: it to pieces?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're still frustrated by it.
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  Speaker 1: So God only knows what's going to happen two years
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  Speaker 1: from now with this thing.
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  Speaker 2: I hope the rivalry can die down finally a little.
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  Speaker 2: Now that it's out, hopefully... It's just weird. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's just weird seeing people still... It's almost like... If
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 2: you say you like Marvel, you have to say you
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  Speaker 2: like Whedon now. If you say you like DC, you
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  Speaker 2: have to say you like Snyder. Somehow that's become attached to.
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  Speaker 1: A part of comics now.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I was hoping would throw that off. No,
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  Speaker 2: I don't care about those guys. Get it right. I
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 2: don't care who directs it. The fact that Joss is
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 2: working the other side now, it's like, well, you've negated that,
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 2: so let's not play that game anymore. Let's just find
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 2: a better project. Let's just look at it for what
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  Speaker 2: it is and go, well, for me, when you read
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  Speaker 2: a comic and you watch this, do you feel good
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  Speaker 2: about it? No.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but said those, I think people who don't even
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  Speaker 1: read the comics are going to be largely disappointed with
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  Speaker 1: this movie. And that's your test right there, because comic books,
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 1: I know they've grown in popularity over the years, but
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 1: compared to movies, they're still a niche market. And movies,
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 1: that's your mainstream audience. I don't think this is going
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  Speaker 1: to go over so well.
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  Speaker 9: All right.
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  Speaker 2: I'm calling this one. We will return with more complaints,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure.
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  Speaker 4: What's the next thing? Star Wars?
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars is next. The next big thing. We have
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 2: that in the near future. Let's just leave it at that.
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  Speaker 2: We'll think about Star Wars and go off and we'll
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 2: be back. Otherwise, that about does it. We will return
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  Speaker 2: next time. Same geek feed. Thanks for listening. I wish
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  Speaker 2: I could swim Just like a dolphin Like dolphins can
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  Speaker 2: swim But.
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  Speaker 9: Nothing, nothing keep.
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  Speaker 1: Us together Yeah, we can be here.
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  Speaker 9: Forever, ever. Cause we can be here.
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  Speaker 1: Just for a minute.
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  Speaker 10: And you, you will be queen And nothing can drive
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  Speaker 10: us away We can be heroes Just for one day
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  Speaker 10: And we could be us Just for one day And
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  Speaker 10: I I can't remember And we kissed as though nothing
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  Speaker 10: could fall. And the shame was on the other side.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, we can.
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  Speaker 10: Be fair forever and ever.
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  Speaker 1: Then we could.
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  Speaker 9: Thank you.
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  Speaker 10: Just for me We can make it.
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  Speaker 5: All In life?
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• 2:40:26
  Speaker 1: you know you can make ice?
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