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Pope Leo XIV's Lung Cancer Diagnosis · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM 640, the Bill Handel Show
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  Speaker 1: on demand on the iHeartRadio app. Jim McKinney joins us,
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  Speaker 1: and we're no doubt going to be talking about the
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  Speaker 1: Pope's lung cancer. Pope Leo has lung cancer, and what
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  Speaker 1: does it mean? Well, we know what it means, but
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  Speaker 1: how common is it? How does one get it? And
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  Speaker 1: also a couple of other bits of news. There was
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  Speaker 1: a ground stop at LAX this morning, forcing flight delays. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: we're not getting a whole lot of information yet. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to find out, but they're thinking, uh, it's, uh,
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  Speaker 1: aging equipment, which is great, right? Our, uh, ground control
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  Speaker 1: and air control system has equipment dating back, uh, when
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  Speaker 1: Eric was getting back to the Wright brothers, actually, uh,
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  Speaker 1: a long time ago. Okay. Uh, another big story in
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  Speaker 1: this one, uh, has, uh, covered hugely. And that was
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  Speaker 1: what happened at, uh, Six Flags Over Georgia. And this
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  Speaker 1: was the roller coaster, one of the big roller coaster, Goliath.
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  Speaker 1: And there was a man, Hassan Jihad Ibn Karim. 42
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  Speaker 1: years old, he was riding Goliath at Six Flags, and
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  Speaker 1: he was thrown from his seat while he was riding
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  Speaker 1: the coaster, and he fell to his death. He hit
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  Speaker 1: other riders on his way out, and there were six
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  Speaker 1: or seven injuries, and there were witnesses that said, he
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  Speaker 1: hit us. I grabbed for him. I grabbed for him
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  Speaker 1: trying to keep him in the cars, and it didn't work,
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  Speaker 1: and off he went. People saw what was happening. They
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  Speaker 1: saw this man just falling down and then hitting a roof,
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  Speaker 1: which happened to be a Haunted Mansion thing. Goliath is
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  Speaker 1: a roller coaster. Roller coasters are a little bit different.
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  Speaker 1: It used to be all those twists and turns, and
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  Speaker 1: that was the big one. You turn around and you
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  Speaker 1: go upside down for a minute. There is another kind
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  Speaker 1: of coaster, which seems to be on the upswing. And
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  Speaker 1: that is long drops, very fast cars. So you get
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  Speaker 1: the feeling of incredible speed and not so much the
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  Speaker 1: course crew business. And Goliath uses a drop from 200 feet,
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  Speaker 1: reaches top speeds of 70 miles an hour, focuses on
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  Speaker 1: the velocity, easy for me to say, velocity and downhill plunges.
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  Speaker 1: rather than that upside down business, Loops and Course Crews.
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  Speaker 1: Been around at Six Flags for a couple of decades already. Well,
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  Speaker 1: as a result of what happened with the ride, Six Flags,
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  Speaker 1: which has nine parks around the country, closed all of
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  Speaker 1: their Goliaths across North America following the death and just
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  Speaker 1: immediately closed them down. Even though it's going to turn out,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you that it was this particular ride That
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  Speaker 1: was defective and we don't know why. But they're doing
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  Speaker 1: this out of an abundance of caution, they said. The
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  Speaker 1: ride manufacturer, Bollinger and Mabillard, I don't know if you've
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  Speaker 1: seen a documentary on these guys who designed these rides.
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  Speaker 1: It's fascinating the science that goes into developing these rides.
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  Speaker 1: And they're companies that just do that. And Bollinger and
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  Speaker 1: Millard is doing that or does that, is actually investigating
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  Speaker 1: the incident themselves. We'll not comment further until we have
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  Speaker 1: a better understanding of what happened. They're certainly going to
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  Speaker 1: get sued. Boy, let me tell you about the lawsuits
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  Speaker 1: here that are going to hit Six Flags as well
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  Speaker 1: as the manufacturer of the ride. You've got the family
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  Speaker 1: of this gentleman, Hassan Karim. Obviously, it's a wrongful death
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  Speaker 1: lawsuit here. You have all the other riders, half a
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  Speaker 1: dozen of them that were injured. Some of them hit
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  Speaker 1: by Karim on a way down. The witnesses who saw
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  Speaker 1: this happening, where Karim went flying past them, you talk
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  Speaker 1: about emotional distress. Man, what a lawsuit. I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: is going to be a big, big hit. And that
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  Speaker 1: is a connection to the next segment when I talk
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  Speaker 1: about inspections happening. What happens? Regulations. Are the feds involved
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  Speaker 1: in regulating? I'm going to give you an interesting fact
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  Speaker 1: about that. And who controls all of this? The states?
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  Speaker 1: You bet. And it's all, every state is different in
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  Speaker 1: terms of how it deals with the licensing and the
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  Speaker 1: allowing of these rides to be put into these parks.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll come back and finish it all up before
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  Speaker 1: we get to Jim Keeney at the bottom of the hour.
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  Speaker 2: You're listening to Bill Handel On Demand from KFI AM 640.
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  Speaker 1: Three weeks left for the midterm election. And boy, are
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  Speaker 1: we going to be covering that big time. A couple
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  Speaker 1: of big stories we are looking at. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: the Pope diagnosed with lung cancer surgery yesterday. And as
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  Speaker 1: a matter of fact, at the bottom of the hour
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  Speaker 1: with Jim Keeney, we're going to start with that story.
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  Speaker 1: All about this kind of cancer, the prognosis, because obviously,
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  Speaker 1: The world is now looking at Pope Leo and what
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  Speaker 1: happened to him in terms of the lung cancer. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I want to go back to what happened at Six
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  Speaker 1: Flags over Georgia. where Hassan Kariam, 42 years old, riding
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  Speaker 1: the coaster, thrown him from his seat while he was
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  Speaker 1: riding the Goliath. And I told you, the Goliath, a
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  Speaker 1: couple decades old, and instead of the twists and turns,
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  Speaker 1: it uses a sheer drop from 200 feet and reaches
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  Speaker 1: top speeds of 70 miles per hour, because that is
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  Speaker 1: sort of the go-to now, focusing on velocity and downhill plunges. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so he is thrown from the coaster from his seat.
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  Speaker 1: It has a safety bar disengaged clearly, and he was
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  Speaker 1: thrown to his death. Six or seven people were injured,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of people were witnessing this. So as
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  Speaker 1: you can imagine, the lawsuits are going crazy. So let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about the controls and what the safety features are.
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  Speaker 1: In the U.S., roller coasters and other rides at the
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  Speaker 1: major parks, like Six Flags, are not regulated by the feds.
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  Speaker 1: That regulation, that job falls to the states. And that's inconsistent,
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  Speaker 1: these rules. Some states have very strict regulations. Other states
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  Speaker 1: have very little. Other states have none. None. which is
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  Speaker 1: very interesting. Now, here is something else that is kind
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  Speaker 1: of interesting. There are some federal regulations, but not at
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  Speaker 1: the rides at major amusement parks, because it breaks down
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  Speaker 1: to moving rides. You see at county fairs where they
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  Speaker 1: bring in the rides for a small period of time
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  Speaker 1: or let's say a major shopping center has an event
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  Speaker 1: and rides are brought in, and these are companies that
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  Speaker 1: effectively rent their rides out. Those are controlled. Those the
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  Speaker 1: feds have control over, not stationary amusement park rides that
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  Speaker 1: are these very sophisticated multi-zillion dollar rides. And so are
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  Speaker 1: fed regulations needed? You bet. Brian Avery, a University of
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  Speaker 1: Florida professor and an expert on safety rides said, He asked,
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  Speaker 1: who's watching in these organizations to ensure they're adequately trained,
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  Speaker 1: that they're compliant? We're talking about the employees, that the
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  Speaker 1: states are monitoring these rides to the level at which
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  Speaker 1: the standards have been established. Well, there are standards and
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  Speaker 1: plenty of them. Are they regulated? For the most part, no.
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  Speaker 1: But this is self-regulation, and it is pretty sophisticated regulation.
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  Speaker 1: Amusement park operators around the world generally adhere to what
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  Speaker 1: are known as ASTM standards, which are set by experts
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  Speaker 1: in the industry, covering everything from ride design to construction,
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  Speaker 1: to how much acceleration the ride should have, what forces,
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  Speaker 1: what G-forces each rider should experience or is allowed to.
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  Speaker 1: And the industry itself has multiple layers of inspection. Park
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  Speaker 1: operators are really under pressure from insurance carriers alone that
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  Speaker 1: they could face huge payouts if something goes wrong. And
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  Speaker 1: so they sort of are self-insured because the liability is
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  Speaker 1: astronomical when something goes wrong. For example, in this case,
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  Speaker 1: where you had a customer of the park being thrown
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  Speaker 1: out of the ride to his death. Okay, a stat.
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  Speaker 1: One in 15 million rides taken where someone is seriously injured.
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  Speaker 1: And looking at this, Martin Lewinson, who is a roller
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  Speaker 1: coaster expert, said, you know, it's pretty difficult to imagine
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  Speaker 1: there being a mechanical malfunction like Goliath in an in
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  Speaker 1: a roller coaster like Goliath, and here's why. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: it has a pull-down lap restraint. It's called a clamshell.
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  Speaker 1: We've all seen that. It works with a ratchet mechanism
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  Speaker 1: that makes clicking sounds as you press down, press it
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  Speaker 1: down over your hips. And there are multiple discs that
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  Speaker 1: ensure redundancy if one fails. He says they're dependable. They're
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  Speaker 1: not technically advanced, so there's no difficulty with operations. And
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  Speaker 1: then the operator has a safety system that displays a
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  Speaker 1: green go light for every seat on the train before
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  Speaker 1: it can go. And the train should not be is
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  Speaker 1: not allowed to proceed unless all the restraints are locked.
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  Speaker 1: So what happened? Oh, by the way, on top of that,
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  Speaker 1: every single seat is checked. The employees on either side
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  Speaker 1: of the cars go down, make sure that the restraints
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  Speaker 1: are in place, make sure that the They make sure
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  Speaker 1: that the ride. And this one failed. I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: try to figure out why. I'll tell you who the
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  Speaker 1: defendants are on this one. It's going to be the
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  Speaker 1: manufacturer of the ride, guaranteed. It's also going to be
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  Speaker 1: the park itself. And the insurance companies are going to
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  Speaker 1: jump in on this because they have to because the
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  Speaker 1: liability is so astronomical. And this is why there aren't
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  Speaker 1: many laws because these parks are self-regulating because the liability
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  Speaker 1: is so great. And imagine the kind of optics, the
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  Speaker 1: PR that happens when one of these rides fail. And
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  Speaker 1: so the largest theme park in Florida, for example, they're
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  Speaker 1: exempt from safety inspections completely. There are no laws. There
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  Speaker 1: are no federal laws that control amusement park rides that
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  Speaker 1: are rides attached to the ground like any of these
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  Speaker 1: major rides are, of course. They're permanent rides. Only, as
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  Speaker 1: I said, the rides that go around to these fairs,
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  Speaker 1: which are pretty rickety. I mean, they're kind of pretty sketchy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever been on those rides.
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  Speaker 1: And they always have the right operators that they hire
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  Speaker 1: locally are always homeless people. There are always guys who
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  Speaker 1: sign their last names with an X whenever they get
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  Speaker 1: involved in a contract. A full set of teeth. I know.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen these people at these rides? They're
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  Speaker 1: up with the rides. They are that sketchy. More rickety
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  Speaker 1: than the rides themselves. So we'll see what happens as
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  Speaker 1: this thing goes forward. And you can bet that the
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  Speaker 1: Six Flags is looking at this very carefully. And we're
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  Speaker 1: going to find out, you know, did a ride go defective? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think I've had to guess. We're going to find
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  Speaker 1: out because the investigation is just starting. All right. Coming up,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to end the show as we do every
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday for the last two segments with medical news with Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Jim Keeney. Starting off with the Pope, his lung cancer,
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  Speaker 1: his lobes. He's missing a lobe now. What does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: We'll be right back.
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  Speaker 3: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Jim Keeney, who is chief medical officer for Dignity St.
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  Speaker 1: Mary Medical Center in Long Beach and an ER doc extraordinaire,
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  Speaker 1: had been or has been for over 30 years. The
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  Speaker 1: big story, of course, around the world that's being followed
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  Speaker 1: is Pope Leo and the lung cancer that was reported.
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  Speaker 1: He went into surgery, was in surgery for, what, 90
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  Speaker 1: minutes and during the surgery died. I understand they took
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  Speaker 1: out a lobe and then they took a piece of
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  Speaker 1: it to do an analysis, went to the pathologist and
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  Speaker 1: everybody just waited around until the pathologist came back and
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  Speaker 1: they followed with surgery. So explain what this lung cancer
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  Speaker 1: is about, what the surgical techniques is, what happened and
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  Speaker 1: the prognosis, if you will.
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  Speaker 3: Sure. So what we found was that he has a
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  Speaker 3: form of lung cancer called adenocarcinoma and It's the most
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  Speaker 3: common form of lung cancer. It occurs both in smokers
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  Speaker 3: and non-smokers, but almost equally, about 40% are non-smokers. And
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  Speaker 3: this is 40% of cancers overall. So, you know, what
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  Speaker 3: they do is they see a nodule or a little,
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  Speaker 3: you know, small tumor potentially on an X-ray. or a
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  Speaker 3: CAT scan and then that they will take a biopsy
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  Speaker 3: of if it does show cancer. In this case, if
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  Speaker 3: it's less than about four centimeters or about two inches,
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  Speaker 3: that's considered a small tumor and it's possible that the
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  Speaker 3: surgery itself will cure the disease. You can remove the
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  Speaker 3: entire tumor and it hasn't spread yet. So the other
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  Speaker 3: thing they did besides taking out lung is they took
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  Speaker 3: out local lymph nodes and they'll be checking those lymph
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  Speaker 3: nodes for cancer. So if it's spread to lymph nodes locally,
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  Speaker 3: that's a stage two. That's a little bit different. Now,
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  Speaker 3: instead of just a surgery, he may need to have chemotherapy.
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  Speaker 3: If it's spread even further and invaded into local tissues
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  Speaker 3: or it's in the big lymph nodes, like closer to
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  Speaker 3: the heart in that we call the mediastinum, that could
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  Speaker 3: be stage three. Now we're going to have to add radiation.
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  Speaker 3: So and then there's stage four when it goes to
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  Speaker 3: distant metastases, they find it in other places in the body.
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  Speaker 3: So what we're doing right now is just waiting for
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  Speaker 3: the pathology results. That's what he's doing. That's what the
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  Speaker 3: world is doing. And we'll see what the lymph nodes
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  Speaker 3: showed and what kind of, you know, any more details
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  Speaker 3: about this tumor. And that'll tell us whether, you know,
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  Speaker 3: hopefully stage one and the surgery itself is curative. Survival rates,
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  Speaker 3: you know, five years out for stage one, we're talking
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  Speaker 3: about close to 70%. And that's just overall average across,
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  Speaker 3: you know, across the world. He may have better health
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  Speaker 3: care than the average person, better, you know, better health overall.
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  Speaker 3: You just don't know all the details.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and look who's overlooking him, right? Not only better
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  Speaker 1: health care, but he's got the big guy really paying attention. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming as we go through these stages, as you describe...
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  Speaker 1: It obviously becomes much more serious, needs a lot more treatment.
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  Speaker 1: And by the time stage four hits, it's basically over,
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  Speaker 1: I would think. Yeah, no.
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  Speaker 3: So this is the interesting thing, right, is that cancer
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  Speaker 3: is not a death sentence. I mean, unfortunately, the big
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  Speaker 3: C is so associated with death. that that's not the case.
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  Speaker 3: Early diagnosis leads to potential cures in cases like this.
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  Speaker 3: But you're right, as it advances, the survival rate drops.
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  Speaker 3: You know, stage 2 has more like a 40% to 50%
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  Speaker 3: five-year survival rate. Stage 3 has a 30%. So clearly,
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  Speaker 3: the earlier you diagnosis, the better off you will be.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so preventive care at this point. You talked about
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  Speaker 1: a CAT scan earlier. You talked about an X-ray. Should
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  Speaker 1: this happen every year, for example, when you should do
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  Speaker 1: a physical?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's the hard part, right, is screening tests.
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  Speaker 3: When you apply a screening test, you're applying it, you're
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  Speaker 3: suddenly saying the entire world should get this thing. So
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  Speaker 3: you've got to be careful about recommending those because you've
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  Speaker 3: got to know, is it going to improve survival? Is
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  Speaker 3: it going to help anyone? Or is it just going
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  Speaker 3: to radiate people and worry people? So it turns out
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  Speaker 3: that when we do these studies in smokers, it's actually
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  Speaker 3: worth the radiation risk, the cost, the anxiety of false negatives.
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  Speaker 3: For smokers, they should get a low-dose CT scan of
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  Speaker 3: the chest on a regular basis. So for non-smokers, which
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  Speaker 3: he's apparently a non-smoker as far as we know, that's
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  Speaker 3: not recommended because the risks outweigh the benefits. And so
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  Speaker 3: it depends on your history, essentially. Now, if you're a
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  Speaker 3: non-smoker and you have a family history, you've been exposed
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  Speaker 3: to radon, you know, lots of other risk factors, then
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you know, maybe you should get
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  Speaker 3: the CT scan. That's a decision you should make with
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  Speaker 3: your doctor.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough. All right, let's take a break, come back.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just really interested on you about AI writing prescriptions
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  Speaker 1: without a doctor or without seeing a doctor. We'll cover
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  Speaker 1: that when we come back.
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  Speaker 2: You're listening to Bill Handel, On Demand from KFI AM640.
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  Speaker 1: On Wednesday, we always finish the last two segments with
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  Speaker 1: Jim Keeney, Dr. Jim Keeney, Chief Medical Officer for Dignity St.
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  Speaker 1: Mary Medical Center in Long Beach. All right, Jim, going
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  Speaker 1: back to AI and being involved in prescriptions now. Explain
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  Speaker 1: what that is and is that bad? Is that good?
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  Speaker 1: Your thoughts. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So this is I thought it was super interesting because
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  Speaker 3: it's a whole new direction.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: In Utah, they're considering for just acne, for just really
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  Speaker 3: simple acne, allowing AI to write prescriptions. So what they're
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  Speaker 3: going to do is you scan a picture and. If
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  Speaker 3: you don't have any complications like hypertension or pregnancy or
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  Speaker 3: anything else, and it's just acne, and we're just using
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  Speaker 3: topical medicine, no pills, they're first going to allow the
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  Speaker 3: AI to look at this and then suggest a prescription
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  Speaker 3: for the first 100. doctor has to sign them off.
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  Speaker 3: If it passes that stage and then they approve the
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  Speaker 3: next stage, then it'll be the AI can actually write
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  Speaker 3: the prescription with no doctor intervention, and then the doctor
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  Speaker 3: can review it after the fact. If it passes that stage,
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  Speaker 3: then we will get to the point where AI can
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  Speaker 3: write the prescription and the doctor only has to review
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  Speaker 3: a small sampling of the prescriptions that were written. So
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  Speaker 3: it's not like the headline sounds like all of a
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  Speaker 3: sudden AI is going to be writing and treating and
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  Speaker 3: practicing medicine. And in a way it is, in a
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  Speaker 3: way it's not. This is not a blanket opening up
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  Speaker 3: the doors to writing prescriptions. It's just very specific for topical.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a start.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: It's a start.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: It's the first time where we're going to allow AI
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: to essentially practice medicine. So lots of questions, right? We
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: don't know the answers yet. We won't until it actually happens.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Who's responsible? What if you screw up? What if you
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: write the wrong prescription, miss some major diagnosis, right? Who's
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: responsible for this?
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Let me ask this. Who sets the level of acne
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: when this kicks in? I mean, someone or something has
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: to say at this point of the acne, I mean,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: does your face actually have to look like a pepperoni
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: pizza before the prescription kicks in? Right.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: No, if it's if they think, again, if it's so advanced,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: if it's such advanced acne that they think you need pills,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: you know, especially the, you know, I'm blanking on the
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: name now, but, you know, there's pills that can be
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: toxic to your liver that can cause real serious problems.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Accutane is the one I'm trying to think of. We're
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: not going to write that by AI. This is only
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: topical medicine. So it's a small window. You have to
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: have bad enough acne that you need a prescription for it,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: but not so bad that you're going to need pills.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: So a tiny, tiny window we're opening up here, which
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: is a little crack, but it's the beginning of something
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: that's never happened before. And clearly it will, you know,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: if it works, it would rapidly expand. And that's the
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: question is, quote, will it work means are people actually
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: getting good treatment through this and getting good outcomes? The
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: outcome will be the key here.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: And why would you, you know, I don't even know
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: why people treat acne because it's so much fun popping
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: those zits. And this takes it all away.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Maybe you should have gone into dermatology.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. For it. One of my favorite shows, Dr.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Pimple Popper. Jim, thank you. We'll talk again next Wednesday.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: You have a good day. You too.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Take care.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: All right. You too. All right. Now we're done, guys.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Feeney done tomorrow morning all over again with Amy and
• 22:28
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• 22:31
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• 22:35
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• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Lots of oil. Oh, that connects right to the acne story.
• 22:44
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