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The Pete Rose Case, Báez Walk-Off Magic, Mariners lose another SP · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: When the camera's like we're shaking all around, You're like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the place is rocking, and everyone's going ham oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's I love seeing it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, right after the show yesterday, we got some pretty
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  Speaker 2: big news in baseball, so we're going to get into
• 0:17
  Speaker 2: that in one minute. I just want to point this
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  Speaker 2: out at the top of the show, I was watching
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  Speaker 2: baseball last night. I'm checking out the Mets game. They
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: can't find Pete Alnto. Where's Pete? Did you hear about this?
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  Speaker 3: He was late? You got a pitchclock violation.
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  Speaker 2: You got a pitchclock violation, you got a poop clock violation.
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  Speaker 2: I think so, And they were saying on both broadcasts,
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  Speaker 2: I think maybe we make an exception if there's a
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  Speaker 2: bathroom Missu're going on and he shows up seconds late.
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  Speaker 2: The umpires have multiple minute meeting, they make the decision
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  Speaker 2: to give the pitchclock violation. Carlos Mendoza, Me's manager, goes
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  Speaker 2: out to chat with the umpires. Probably five to seven
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  Speaker 2: minutes later, we resume baseball. So I'm glad that we
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: really helped to speed up the game in that moment.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, we were really it was I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the point was to speed the game up. But he
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  Speaker 1: also point was, you know what, it was a defensive
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  Speaker 1: clock violation. Hey, if they want to throw the pitch
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  Speaker 1: without Pete being out there, throw the pitch. There's no
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  Speaker 1: rule that you have to have all your guys out
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  Speaker 1: on the field. My favorite part first base coach oh
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  Speaker 1: Signor Brock at first for the Pirates threw Pete his
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  Speaker 1: glove as he was running in like he was reading
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  Speaker 1: the option.
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  Speaker 2: That's epic. Yeah, Jesse Winker from the dugout doing the
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  Speaker 2: thumbs down at the umps. I mean, if you're going
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  Speaker 2: to do it and that's your decision, that's fine. I'm
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  Speaker 2: super pro pitch clock, but this to me seemed like
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  Speaker 2: one of those exceptions where the umpire has discretion and
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  Speaker 2: can be like everyone saw the poop Homer video.
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  Speaker 3: Not only that, but like, just have some feel for life.
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  Speaker 3: There are times where people have to do that. They
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  Speaker 3: have things that come up and you have to use
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  Speaker 3: the restroom or whatever Pete was doing.
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  Speaker 2: And it doesn't happen often. Right, The fact that I'm
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  Speaker 2: bringing this up means that it was an outlier. We
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  Speaker 2: tweeted about it late last night. So have a feel
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  Speaker 2: and if you're going to still make that decision and
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  Speaker 2: be a hard ass. Then But if he had.
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  Speaker 3: To really go or and it was like four pitch
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  Speaker 3: clock violations and let to a walk.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have happened. I mean, if he was
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  Speaker 2: really stuck in there, they would have had a problem.
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  Speaker 1: Stupid's benefits for either team. There's no benefit for either team.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a high school team. The bus gets caught
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  Speaker 1: in traffic and then the umpire is like, nope, got
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  Speaker 1: to start the game on time, Like, just have feel,
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  Speaker 1: just have feel, let let things happen. He's not trying
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  Speaker 1: to do it. It's not like he's well, maybe he's
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  Speaker 1: an habitual pooper. Everybody poops, that's what the book says.
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  Speaker 2: That is true. You know, most people do many times
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  Speaker 2: per week. So for Pete, they have a meeting for
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  Speaker 2: a long period of time to make a decision on
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  Speaker 2: how strict they were going to be. At least, if
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  Speaker 2: you're going to be strict, just say it and go.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. That's the whole point of the violation.
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  Speaker 3: They should have just had a meeting it said, we've
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  Speaker 3: all been there, let's give him a minute. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 3: they could have come up with anything. The umpire could
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  Speaker 3: have said he got something in his eye. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: there was a million different things he could have come
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  Speaker 3: up with instead of a pitchclog violation.
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  Speaker 2: If someone was taking advantage of the rule, everyone would
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  Speaker 2: know about it, right, Like you know how refs know. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: this guy always just tries to take charges, watch out
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  Speaker 2: for him.
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  Speaker 3: Or flops every time rolls around the ground.
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  Speaker 2: If Lebron is rolling on the floor acting like his
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  Speaker 2: life just ended, he probably probably happened. Yeah, exactly. He
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  Speaker 2: just likes to act as weird. But anyway, for Pete,
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  Speaker 2: if he did this every week, everyone would know and
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  Speaker 2: the umps would be like, we're not doing this, but
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  Speaker 2: this is one time, and it happened one other time
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three and he swung out the first
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  Speaker 2: pitch and on our green. So let's go Pete.
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  Speaker 3: We're with you.
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  Speaker 2: And when Pete comes on soon, we'll have a chat
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  Speaker 2: about this.
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  Speaker 3: Because this is the hopefully he comes on late, hopefully stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully it comes on late too, because we'll know where
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  Speaker 1: it is if he shows up late to the to
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  Speaker 1: the call we got told me.
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  Speaker 2: He come on, we got to call him, Yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: gotta get him on. So actually, after this and.
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  Speaker 3: He told me on Saturday that he loved to come on.
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  Speaker 3: He and been on in for a while and he
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  Speaker 3: wants to come back on. So we'll get him.
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  Speaker 2: We got to crack the case here, Pete coming soon.
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  Speaker 2: Charge the amount of time.
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  Speaker 3: Charge about.
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  Speaker 2: Pete Rose is now eligible to be voted in as
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  Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame member, so are other deceased players
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  Speaker 2: that were on the league's permanently ineligible list. Pete passed
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  Speaker 2: away in September. His oldest daughter and his former lawyer
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  Speaker 2: met with Commissioner Manfred in December. Commissioner Manfred had a
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  Speaker 2: meeting about a month ago with President Trump, who is
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  Speaker 2: a big fan of having Pete Rose in the Hall
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  Speaker 2: of Fame. Add it all up, the Commissioner comes out
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  Speaker 2: like us kidding. Permanently ineligible actually means that when you
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  Speaker 2: pass away, you are now back in, reinstated, and able
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  Speaker 2: to be voted into the Hall of Fame if those
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  Speaker 2: members in that committee vote you in. Shoeless Joe Jackson
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  Speaker 2: in the nineteen nineteen Black Sox say finally, thank you, Rulis.
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  Speaker 2: Joe's been dead for like seventy five years.
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  Speaker 3: Ye a long time.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, wait, you just decided this. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 2: what I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 3: So why now I'm gonna let crowds go first on
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  Speaker 3: this one because I'm gonna be give I'm gonna be
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  Speaker 3: a minute you need to and I'm gonna get my
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  Speaker 3: poop on. Once the crowds is done, well, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: let you cook. All I have to say is Manfred's
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  Speaker 3: trying to make a name for himself in this. I
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  Speaker 3: think he had some manipulations from people that I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: AJ is going to talk about. But you know what,
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  Speaker 3: I guess.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if if the right people bark up the
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  Speaker 1: right tree, you'll get a record to come out of
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  Speaker 1: the tree at some point. But he is he's made
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  Speaker 1: this decision. He wants this to be his mark. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think he thought about it lightly. And every commissioner
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  Speaker 1: has some good things that they do for the game,
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  Speaker 1: some bad things they do for the game. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure where this stands because there's some other people that
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  Speaker 1: haven't gotten into the Hall of Fame yet because of
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  Speaker 1: the stigma for things that they've done, not necessarily gambling,
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  Speaker 1: other things, Barry Bond, Roger Clemens, other steroid guys. But
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  Speaker 1: I do believe it's not the Hall of Morality. It
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  Speaker 1: is the Hall of fame. So Rob made his decision.
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  Speaker 3: Hall of morality is fine, but let's be serious here
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  Speaker 3: from it. If the writers are going to take a
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  Speaker 3: stand and say, you know, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, who
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  Speaker 3: never tested positive, by the way, never tested positive, they
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  Speaker 3: can't get in, then whoever is on this committee that
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  Speaker 3: got to elect Pete Rose, Because let's not forget Joe Morgan,
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  Speaker 3: who's Pete Rose's teammate for a long time, said oh,
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  Speaker 3: those guys can't get in because they did steroids. And
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  Speaker 3: he was like the lead guy in all those committees
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  Speaker 3: saying they can't get in. So whoever gets to vote
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  Speaker 3: on Pete Rose, Let's not forget Pete Rose was not
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  Speaker 3: exactly clean when he played. And I'm not talking about
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  Speaker 3: steroids because I don't know that, but there were other
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  Speaker 3: things that are now band called greenies and amphetamines that
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  Speaker 3: he admitted to.
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  Speaker 2: But all the guys took them.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, but there's guys that took him that are in
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  Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame, right right, and again hall the
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  Speaker 3: go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry cratch no, no, no, no, no, that there's not
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  Speaker 1: There was other guys that took him, but it's against
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  Speaker 1: the rules, like it's against the Greenies are against the rules?
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  Speaker 1: Yes or no they are now they weren't at the time. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so why yeah, So, like, you can't you can't just
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  Speaker 1: elect that. I agree with you. You can't just elect
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  Speaker 1: one thing. Well, this guy took this, so he could
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  Speaker 1: you know, he shouldn't be in I agree with you
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  Speaker 1: a like totally.
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  Speaker 3: There's there's trust me. There are guys in the Hall
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  Speaker 3: of Fame and this is not breaking news that have
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  Speaker 3: done stuff and they are still in the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 2: Oh they're roid out of my mind, guys that are
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  Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame. I want to stay on
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  Speaker 2: task though.
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  Speaker 3: But okay, so here's my problem with this with with
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  Speaker 3: Pete Rose. I have been firmly against this from the
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  Speaker 3: get go. I've said it on this show, I've said
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  Speaker 3: it everywhere and anyone that will listen to me that
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  Speaker 3: I am against him being reinstated when he was originally
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  Speaker 3: permanently banned. And I've looked it up and it was
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  Speaker 3: permanently banned. Okay, permanently that doesn't stop it when you die, right,
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  Speaker 3: So now they want to say lifetime ban. Okay, like
• 9:36
  Speaker 3: you said Scott, where are the black socks? I weren't
• 9:38
  Speaker 3: dating because shules Joe Jackson being an army should be
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  Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame too. Okay, now, he definitely
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  Speaker 3: would have been if he didn't get banned and got
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  Speaker 3: to play a few more years, he'd definitely be in.
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  Speaker 2: He should be in.
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  Speaker 3: Then agreed, he should be right in with Pete Rose
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  Speaker 3: if they gonna put him in. The thing about this
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  Speaker 3: is scratch.
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  Speaker 1: You know this.
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  Speaker 3: You've been in the clubhouse. You have to read. They
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  Speaker 3: read you article twenty one, They make you sign an
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  Speaker 3: article twe like, you're not bet on baseball? Okay, where's
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  Speaker 3: the repercussions when you do something? What's the repercussion? Well,
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  Speaker 3: he don't say, oh he died. Now he gets in.
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  Speaker 3: He still gets in, and he stills permanently there.
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  Speaker 2: It's like he goes away, but he doesn't get to
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  Speaker 2: experience it. He's not alive.
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  Speaker 3: So what his family gets to experience, sure, and it
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  Speaker 3: means more to the family, I think for a lot
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  Speaker 3: of these guys in it does for them. And right,
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  Speaker 3: so the family gets to celebrate in his legacy gets
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  Speaker 3: which is fine. He's but you know what you want
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  Speaker 3: to do like Pete Rose is the all time hits ler,
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  Speaker 3: Barry Bonds is the all time home runs leader. Put
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  Speaker 3: him in. Roger Clement says the most this and that,
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  Speaker 3: and baseballster put him in. Why why are we not
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  Speaker 3: putting him in? Because one guy says no, because they're
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  Speaker 3: more moral than these other guys allegedly like it's not
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  Speaker 3: it's it's it's the problem with Article twenty one is
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  Speaker 3: you have to follow it and you know what it is.
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  Speaker 3: And the biggest problem you can have in any sport
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  Speaker 3: is guys betting on baseball and making the taking the
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  Speaker 3: integrity out of the game. Because I did. I said
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  Speaker 3: this earlier. I did another show and I said, if betting,
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  Speaker 3: if somebody got to be betting, and krats, krats, I think,
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  Speaker 3: go back me up. And let's say I knew the
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: over under in a game, okay, and it was. Let's
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  Speaker 3: say the over under was eight in this game. And
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: it's eight nothing in the ninth inning and there's a
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  Speaker 3: run around third and two outs and I'm catching. I
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  Speaker 3: just missed one. Guy scores boom. Nobody would have any idea.
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  Speaker 3: I just I missed one. Sorry, guys, it clanked. It
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  Speaker 3: just cost me the shutout. But I or one of
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  Speaker 3: my buddies has money on this game. They just made
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  Speaker 3: a lot of money. Like, you can't have the integrity
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  Speaker 3: of the game questioned at all. That's why this is
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  Speaker 3: so important. And now to say, oh, well, it's okay,
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  Speaker 3: he died. And by the way, the us of the
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: argument is he bet on every time they won. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: well the games he did and bet on to win.
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  Speaker 3: Did he think they were gonna lose? Why did he
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  Speaker 3: He had to bet on every game?
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  Speaker 2: Then bet on every game?
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  Speaker 3: Okay? So then he had to have feelings, he had
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  Speaker 3: to have inside information.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah he was betting.
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  Speaker 3: He was not, So you have the integrity of the
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: game is number one. Like look at other sports. College
• 12:06
  Speaker 3: basketball has had a bunch of them where point shaving
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  Speaker 3: and this and that. Right, what happens they get kicked out?
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  Speaker 3: You should like you should not you if you go
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  Speaker 3: against the integrity of whatever sport you do, any job
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  Speaker 3: you do, Like if you're insider trading, you should be
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  Speaker 3: freaking heave hoed yep, because you have outstanding knowledge that
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  Speaker 3: nobody else has and you can make bets or you
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  Speaker 3: can help your friends make bets.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to be clear that the league is
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  Speaker 2: okay with Barry Bonds and Roger Clements being voted into
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  Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. They're eligible, they have not been
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  Speaker 2: voted in by the writers or the whatever committee. I
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: don't know the names of all the committees. But Pete
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  Speaker 2: Rose is going to have a chance with whatever the
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  Speaker 2: committee is in December of twenty twenty seven. He's got
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  Speaker 2: to get twelve out of sixteen votes. Some writers are
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  Speaker 2: on that panel, a lot of former players are on
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  Speaker 2: that panel. I'll use one example. Tim Kirkton, who's on
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  Speaker 2: this show pretty frequently, said that Frank Robinson was a
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  Speaker 2: dear friend, lake great legend in our s and he said,
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  Speaker 2: I won't even show up to the Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 2: ever again if they let Pete in. That's the number
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  Speaker 2: one rule in all of sports that you cannot violate
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  Speaker 2: or it makes our sport acting. It completely blurred the lines.
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  Speaker 2: There's no difference. So for him, he was like, that's
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  Speaker 2: my hard stance.
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  Speaker 1: Krats.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of other players feel the same
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  Speaker 2: way like AJ does. So we're talking about this, and
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  Speaker 2: the President talked to the commissioner into switching the rule,
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  Speaker 2: and the commissioner playing judge. That's fine. That was the
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  Speaker 2: decision that Commissioner Manford Maine. He's trying to please a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people. He wants to keep the anti trust
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  Speaker 2: exemption so that MLB can be a monopoly.
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  Speaker 3: Cool.
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  Speaker 2: Get it. He's a businessman, he's the CEO. That's his job.
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  Speaker 2: Got it. He took the onus now and pushed it
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  Speaker 2: on the Hall of Fame, which is fine.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So do you think krats that a committee of former players,
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  Speaker 2: most of them with a lot of dirt and their spikes,
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  Speaker 2: are going to vote Pete Rose into the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: Nope, Okay, I don't think they're going to vote him in.
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  Speaker 1: I think got less in the next two years. This
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  Speaker 1: stance somehow softens by everybody just looking at his stats
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  Speaker 1: and his numbers and what he did in the game.
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  Speaker 1: That's the only way I see it happening. I don't
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  Speaker 1: see it happening just because of what AJ says. I
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  Speaker 1: think the majority of players feel the way AJ does.
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  Speaker 1: This is why players get pissed off at owners who
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  Speaker 1: don't try to put a competitive team out on the field,
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  Speaker 1: who don't care about winning. Because as a player, whether
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  Speaker 1: you made the big leagues or you almost made the
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  Speaker 1: big leagues. You cared very much about what happened out
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  Speaker 1: on the field. You cared very much about the outcome
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  Speaker 1: of the game. And if there was any kind of
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  Speaker 1: question that somebody was throwing that game, that somebody would
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  Speaker 1: had ulterior motives, You're you're just it's like I can't
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  Speaker 1: even look at it, Like you can't even look at
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  Speaker 1: it the same you just said what you said about
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  Speaker 1: being actors. That's all it is. It's just just entertainment,
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  Speaker 1: just like AJ's belt that he has behind him. It's
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  Speaker 1: fun entertainment, but it's not a competitive environment. Competition is
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  Speaker 1: what drives players, and if you allow something like this
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  Speaker 1: to happen, it just it just feels, it feels disingenuous.
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  Speaker 1: But what level of grace are we supposed to have
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  Speaker 1: no crying in baseball? But maybe there's forgiveness.
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  Speaker 3: And also, by the way, did Peter Rose ever apologize
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  Speaker 3: for this? Is he ever before he passed away? Was
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  Speaker 3: there ever like a sincere, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have
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  Speaker 3: done this. It was all like to sell a book
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  Speaker 3: or a movie whatever, Like it was never like a
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  Speaker 3: And here's the thing that gets me, he accepted this
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: he accepted this, he signed it.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: He knew what he was doing, well because he got caught.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: But he could have fought it. He could have said, oh,
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: but he signed the permanent ineligible because he was guilty exactly. Yeah,
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: so he knew what he was signing. It's not like
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: he signed a paper if you wanted to said, well,
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: when I die, maybe I can be come back. Right. No,
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: he signed a paper that said I am permanently ineligible,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: and he knew and he played it up too, let's
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: not forge you. Yeah, coopercent weekend, Pete's signing autographs in
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: oneata right next door, like come on, like he knew
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: exactly what he was doing. Of course, I mean he
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: played it up.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: But let me ask you this. There are a lot
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: of people that want him in because he was a
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: big part of their childhood or their fandoms.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: So it was very bond.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: It was Roger Clemons, good point. How if you pulled
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: the people, what percentage of baseball fans? Obviously we're just
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: playing hypotheticals here, do you think would want Pete Rose
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame? A lot, A lot, lot lot,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: I would say over the seventy five percent number, we're
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: talking about. I would say probably eighty plus percent, eighty
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: eighty five percent. What do you think most people I
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: talk to, young or old, are like, yeah, I want
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: to mean because also I think a lot of people
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: just look at something from a while ago and they
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: just they don't care and they just want other people
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: to be happy. I'm just presenting the fandom case because
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: there are gonna be a lot of people that watch
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: this later on and be like, you guys are being
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: too strict. You guys are just like the yumps you
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: were making fun of at the top of the show.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Just let him in. He passed away. It's over.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: I disagree. I cannot. I can't disagree more. I just can't.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: And I can see it through my dad's eyes. My
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: dad's favorite player was Pete Rose. Growing up, he wore
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: fourteen because of Pete Rose. I wore fourteen because my
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: dad wore fourteen like it was that's what That's what
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: fans view him as. And I think they hear the
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: gambling stuff and they're like, oh man, that's tough. I
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: remember how hard he played. I remember when he came
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: to Philadelphia and became the highest paid athlete in the
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: world at the time when he signed with Philadelphia, Like,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: that's what fans remember, and that's fine. As a player,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: it's it's hard. It's hard. I guess we have to
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: forgive people, but they also have to ask for forgiveness.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: And Manford's lawyer, so he's just going to play that game.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, after receiving a letter from Pete Rose,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: who was asking for forgiveness, the Commission said, quote, I
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: believe that when you bet on baseball, from MLB's perspective,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: you belong on the permanently ineligible list. Fast forward to now,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: he says, in my view, a determination must be made
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: regarding how the phrase permanently ineligible should be interpreted. Regarding
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Role twenty one, which involves betting on baseball on the sport,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: he said, Obviously, a person no longer with us cannot
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: represent a threat to the integrity of the game. Cool,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: why didn't you make that decision? Many many But it's.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Not about just what he could do to the game.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: It's about what going forward it could do to the game.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: That's kind of what my point is, Like, I understand
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Pete Rose can't do anything anymore. He's passed away.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he said a new precedent though. He said,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: if you bet on baseball, you are out of the
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: game until you die and then come on back in.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: That's what he just He just exactly what he said.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Manford switched the rule. Now what I this is important? Okay.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: What I would like President Trump to do is have
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: another phone call with him and say we need to
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: get rid of certain owners in Major League Baseball that
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: are ruining the sports. Apparently he does whatever he says,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: so I think he should call him up and be like, hey, dude,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: now that we got that part out of the way,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I have some other issues. The city of Pittsburgh is
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: in tears. We need to fix that problem. Denver Colorado
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: showing up but not happy, Let's fix that problem. I mean, clearly,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Manford just flip flopped his whole career. He was in
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: one stance and then just like that one meeting, it changes. Great,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: let's work on some other things.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Agreed, Agreed. I can't. I don't know this. This gets
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: me fired up. I got people from that I know
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: from Cincinnati like, oh, Pete's going to get in and
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: I'm like why why? Why? And then forty two fifty six,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: whatever it is. I'm like, cool, seven sixty five whatever
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: bonds has he ain't in. And when you ask these
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: same people, they're like, oh, he shouldn't be a needed
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: stir Pete did some stuff too. Now, let's be honest.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: That aren't That isn't legal anymore either.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Hey, Corey Klueber out of the game for what a
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: couple of years now is back special assistant pitching guardians
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: makes sense.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: That tracks good special assistance. Great job, you can.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Get one, it is, right. What do you do?
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: No one knows, that's the best part about it. Nobody
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: really knows what they do.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: What I've heard is you get a phone call and
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: they ask you if you want to do something like
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: show up to an event or talk to somebody within
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: the organization about something, and then they say okay, and
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: you get some money for it.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Is that accurate pretty much? And then you got you
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: might have to find and see a minor leaguer every
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: once in a while, or a draft prospect or something.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's not really a
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: it's not a well defined role in an organization. It's
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: kind of whatever they need you to do. You do,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: and they pay. They pay pretty good, usually for him crats.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I heard something interesting.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Oh go ahead, No, I was just gonna say, that's
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: the only part that was not true. You said they
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: get paid some money. They get paid a good amount
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: of money from the people that I know that are
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: special assistants.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: What I heard about the Guardians is some of their
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: starters are struggling on the development side, like Avin Williams,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: because they're kind of the opposite of the Race who
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: just say like, let's get you in the zone. Guardians
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: are like, let's get this pitch in this spot works
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: really well for Shane Bieber, Corey Kluber, etc. And it's
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: worked really well for many of their guys, but not
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: all of their guys. So anyway, that was.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Not every picture pitched the same. That's also something.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Not every picture has elite command.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Also true, That's what I'm saying. Not every hitter hits
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: the same.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Hey, we're back. We are running a poll on YouTube
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: right now should Pete Rose be inducted into the Hall
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: of Fame? And it's fifty five percent no, forty five
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: percent yes. Right now from a small group, A.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: J manipulates the masses just like Caesar.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I'm like the Gladiator. Are you not entertained by Pete
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Rose cheating or not cheating? Gambling?
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Should he be in thumbs down?
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: My opinion, his record ever be broken?
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: No, which one? Because hits don't matter anymore. Nobody will
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: ever come close to the forty two fifty six. Hits
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: don't matter. The strikeout record will be continually be broken.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: But that's it. The picture strikeouts and the hitter strikeouts
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: for careers.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think pictures. I don't think anyone'll ever ever
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: reach number one, and I don't think anybody will ever
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: pass No. One Ryan.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: For k Yeah, I mean you have three thousand. What
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: the one that's ever gonna be broken is Cy Young
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: with his uh uh five eleven wins or whatever.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: No one's sniffing, Oh yeah.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: No one's gonna get cal Ripkins because everybody needs a
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: load manage, So that one's that one's pretty safe.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Nolan Ryan's strikeouts are like.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Kershaw is trying to get to three thousand, right.
• 23:05
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• 23:07
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• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Real life problem, Scott. Real life problem like my microphone
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: wires connor on my chair wheel when I jumped up
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: to get the helmet here, just pulling on my just
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: pulling on my shirt. Just real life problems.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: He's back.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, do we have to have delay?
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Did you have to go poop? Is that what it was?
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Because we can stop the show. We have a good
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: feeling you and you and Pete.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: If we need to go poop.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: That would be a violation.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: It'd be a pitch clog. It'd be a poop clog. Violations.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Right, Well, you think that's bad, try signing a six year,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: one hundred and forty million dollar contract and then being
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: pretty much terrible for the first few seasons, but then
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden making the ultimate Disney comeback story.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: The name is Hobby baias Almago. It's magic two three
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: run homers in yesterday's walk off way for the Tigers
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: over the Red Sox. The Tigers are the best team
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: in the American League twenty eight and fifteen. They've won
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: ten of thirteen games. Hobby Bayaz might be the biggest
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: reason why they're this good. He is playing close to
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I would say elite center field. Every game I've watched
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: with him out in center field, He's basically making every
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: play and then some metrics agree with me. Patrick Martinez
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: saying he's got the Tigers against the Padres in the
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: World Series. We'll get to the Padres, but anyway, they
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: were down two runs the Tigers in the bottom of
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the eleventh and Almago hits his second three run homer
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: of the game, both of them off breakers. He's at
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: a three to nineteen batting clip, three point fifty seven
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: on base five thirteen slugging percentage. He looks a lot
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: like the shortstop version of that guy who was on
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: the Cubs who did swing out a lot of pitches,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: but had power, had high batting average. Oh wait, he
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: looks exactly like prime Hobby Bayez. Again. Got to give
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: him credit.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: I give my monker. All I had to do is
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: moom to center field. But let's not talk about how
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Vey bios. We will talk about Howave bios and how
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: great he is. Can we talk about the catcher's reaction
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: our veias when he gave up the homer, he he
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: was like, set up a foot off the plate and
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: they threw it over here. And if you haven't seen this,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: if we can run the clip again, just watch the
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: catcher's reaction. This is the best. He's just like, oh,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: he's like, you gotta be kidding me. As soon as
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: he hits it, that's the best. Like, there's a couple
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: of there's the one I think as David Bodie hit
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: a walk off Grand Slam for the Cubs. I think
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: it was against the Gnats and mart and I think
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Matt Wieters was the catcher, and as soon as the
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: pitch was thrown and hit, he just like you know,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: you just know as a catcher, as soon as you
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: see it. There's pitches that leave guy's hand. You're like,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: you want to be able to jump in front of
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: the hitter. And you're like, I'll take catcher's interference because
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: that one might not come back. And then they hit
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: it and you're just.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Like, ah, you can see the meatball.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Oh right, crafts am I not wrong?
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: There there was a catcher I forget his name. He
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: came up with the Orioles, very very like energetic guy.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: That was when the Orioles were bad. You can go
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: back back to back home runs. He takes his mask
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: and spikes it before they even pan out of the pan,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: out of the Severino.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: That was a Severino Severno. Yes, yes, he was supposed
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: to be like a super prospect. Yeah, yeah, he was
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: like a super prospect. Yes, yes, I remember that.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: That was classic. Well, anyway, that we always I always
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: always loved those in hitters meetings because you'd watch the
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: home run clips. They'd see you go ooh the catcher
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: or the one where they reach back for the ball.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: They're like, it's hit, and they're just like, give me
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: new ball, give me new ball, Like we're going to
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: need a new one. Fans are gonna keep that one.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Hobby Baiez with runners in scoring position this season is
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: hitting four twenty four with runners in scoring position in
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: two outs, he's seven for twelve.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: It's awesome.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: The regular numbers are there, the clutch numbers are there,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: the Tigers numbers are there.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Is he going to be the starting center field or
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: of the All Star Game? I don't know. Oh, I
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say it, it's amazing when you
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: have two hips that you can play on. I'm just saying,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: was that it it hip surgery, just saying playing and
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: they're just not as good.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: I also say this, moving him to center field took
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: some pressure of them. I don't care what you say it.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Let him be free. Let him he doesn't have to
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: worry about playing defense and making all these great plays
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: and covering the whole infield. He just goes there, like
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: go catch the ball in center field, run around and
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: have a good time, and it makes it it makes
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: it fun again. Sometimes it's all you gotta do.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I I disagree with
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: that because he looked like he was having fun. That
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: looked like his one reprieve because I never saw and
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: obviously I don't watch one hundred and sixty two Tigers games,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: but I never saw him taking plays off and like moping.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: He was never that guy. He was always that guy
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: that he's out there, and it almost seemed like when
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: he's out on the field, it was like, this is
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: my chance to hit a dinger because I'm not doing
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: it at the plate. And maybe I'm wrong, maybe it
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: does take pressure off of him, but he always looked
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: like out on defense like he was he was getting
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: after it, and I thought it was going to be
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: tougher for him moving to center field, because it's like
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: you are always the superstar. His entire life, he was
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the shortstop. Most big league players were the shortstop until
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: at some point in their career they realized that other
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: people are better at short and that is a tougher
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: transition than people think, So I give him a ton
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: of credit for going off of a premier position.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I think you're right too. I mean, he's got a
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: pretty strong case to make it as the starting center
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: fielder in the All Star Game. There's other competition, but
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: you know he's right up there.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: So what what Crush just said is, here's my thing though,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: in centerfield, how many times skrouts have you seen outfielders
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: like they think the ball. They ain't thinking about the
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: ball being hit to him. So he gets to go
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: out there and he can think about his bad wagon.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: He can think about, Man, I'm not going to chase
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: that slider five feet off the plated da no, dah.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: It's just to talk to any outfielders when they're on defense,
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: they're so relaxed, they're so far away from the ball.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: It's like they're out there talking. You know, Randy Rose
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: arenas out there signing autographs in between pitches. I mean,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: imagine if a catcher did that. Did be pitchclog violations
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: left and right. Just it's a less stressful position, is
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: all I'm saying.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I would agree. I would agree pitch outfielders have the
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: best life, the best life. Outfielders retired. You don't see
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: outfielder's getting fat when they retire. Nope, they're just they're
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: just perfect. They're the best.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Buyer. Buckston's actually having a really good year right now,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: so he's competition. Juli Rodriguez is up to a much
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: better start than he's been, so there's competition. Hobby's up there.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Last thought, do we need to be a little less
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: harsh when a guy with a proven track record struggles
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: and he might have a significant injury that he's battling
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: and he's not necessarily at the end of his career,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: because most people myself included, were like, why is he
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: still on the team?
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you couldn't wait. You couldn't wait, Scott couldn't wait
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: to fire him.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to act like I was the only
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: one at thirty two years old. He's still in the
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: prime of his career. He just had some adjustments to make,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: had a nation change to make, had a hip surgery
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: to get through, and boom, he's again one of the
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: best players in the sport.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Those damn hips, I tell you what, don't break a hip.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: The Tigers have to get some credit for sticking with him. Hey,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: he's got years left on his deal.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Hinch. Hinch deserves a lot of credit in.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Harris and Illic, I'll get this is where the people
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: credit there.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: This is where I definitely have a blind spot. I
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: to think everybody can turn it around at some point.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: And I will.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I will probably air on the side of this guy's
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: gonna turn it around too many times because I see
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: too much negativity in baseball, especially when you start talking
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: about analytics. Wrong side of thirty, he's the wrong Like,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: nobody's gonna nobody's gonna be Look and emulate my career,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: but my entire career was from thirty to forty. I
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: didn't make the big leages until I was thirty years old. Essentially, like,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: you sit there and you go, Okay, not essentially actually was,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: but anyway, you sit there and you go, why couldn't
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: somebody like that continue to play into into his thirty
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: six thirty eight years thirty eight year old season. They
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: have to make adjustments. But when guys crater like that,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I just I always believe they're going to be able
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: to come back. Paul Goldchman, look at Paul Goldchman. Nolan Eronado,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: guys that had bad years bouncing back this year.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: And when you do that, some of our fans watch
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: and go, oh, player Homer. He's just thinking everybody's okay,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: and he just roots for all the players.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I do all the players.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know alays sometimes when sometimes when guys who
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: had really good careers and they got popped and then
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: they fall off, but then they get back and have
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: really good careers again. Maybe I'm not as as player
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Homer as people would say.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Right, I got I'm with you on that one. Most
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: times when the player gets busted for Royds, I'm like,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: all right, let's see what happens. Yes, we have another
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: walk off Romster. We had like four or five.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: There was like three in like three minutes.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was cool. Fernando Tatist Junior in the late
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: matchup between the Angels and Padres. It's been an awesome series.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: They had the big comeback for the Angels the night
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: before Padres bullpen is shaky in this series. Kyle Glazer,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: our Friar Territory host is freaking out last night. I'm like, Kyle, relaxed.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Look at the record for there, they're fine, and look
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: at the stuff for the relievers. They're just you know
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: what was bad game? Yeah, they're fine. Tatist, walkoff dinger,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: good ball club.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I love watching I love watching games in San Diego,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: like on TV. I haven't been to a game as
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: a fan. It's just like when the camera's like we're
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: shaken all around, You're like, you know that place is rocking,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: and then they pan up and they got that whole
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: new section like in center field where the fans are
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: kind of in the stadium but they're not, and everyone's
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: going ham, Oh, it's I love seeing it. It's a
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: good team.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Some too many people doubted them.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Well I'm gonna say this, there's a long ways to
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: go and they've got they've got some things that need
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: to go right for him.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: That's fine. I just was I think one of the
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: higher guys on the totem pole for this team and
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: got a lot of hate.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know that. I mean, yeah, I think I
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: think we all picked them up, maybe to make the playoffs,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know about that, but maybe not. Yeah, I
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: mean I think we A lot of us said the
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Diamondbacks being ahead of because you look at the Diamondbacks
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: on paper, you'd be like, the Diamondbacks should be a
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: better team.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: And l West I had Dodgers, Diamondbacks, Padres. I like
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: those three kind of.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: I think that was the same place.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: And then I mean what you end up coming up with, though,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: is an issue. Because you have three wild cards, you're
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: taking up two in the West. Central is going to
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: have one, I think, But what about the East.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Well, someone of the Phillies, Mets, Braves don't make it.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: That's there's the there's the roof.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Those are all good teams. That's what gets interesting.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: That's why I like it. That's what happened to the
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: uh Diamondbacks. Last Diamondbacks eighty nine games, didn't get in.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: What do you want?
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: You gotta win ninety? You do win ninety. They're in.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: But the point is it's a tough national period. As
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: the iliot once said, it's a tough National league period.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: It now Philly itis all that sheep shit.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: It's a I say, you can good job. It's gonna
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: be all nice.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: The world works, or eighty five percent of the world works.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Got the other fifteen percent come out to day baseball.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Hey, let's hit a couple more walk offs from yesterday.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: So I think there were two that we didn't cover yet.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: The Mariners walk off the Yankees who just couldn't tap
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: into the Mariner's bullpen. Actually, Devin Williams had a nice
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: inning in the tenth and then Tim Hill gave it
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: up in the eleventh pretty quickly on back to back knocks.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: But the Mariners get a walk off win. And how
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: fitting here's the Mariners walk off win, by the way.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: JP Crawford gets it done quickly against Tim Hill, a
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: little slice piece in the left, two to one win
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: for the Ms.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: And Justin Turner doesn't Turner with the big knock. Remember
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: he got he got demoted.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: He he's done on however you say it, have a
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Blisteros stay Byasteros gets called up. J T gets the
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: walk off. I like that little rookie versus end of
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: year veteran battle or end of career veteran battle for
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: the d H spot.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: No, it's gonna it's not it. It's gonna be a
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: platoon stop a right, he's out there. It's gonna be Biasteros.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Biasteros is not getting called up to do anything but rake.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: He's gonna get the righty's. They brought a lefty in
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: JT got his at bat. Then you had a stick
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: with j T and he got it against the righty.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: They ain't they're so deep into the platoon nation they're not.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: You're not earning a spot unless Bias Steros doesn't do
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: anything with it, and then Ian Happ will be back
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: by that time.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, So just strict platin with those two. Ye.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: When Hap comes back, Bistro is probably gonna go to
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Triple A because they need him to catch and get better.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Right, But if he goes on a heater, it might
• 38:05
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  Speaker 2: So this one broke during the show Bob Nightingale with
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: the tweet The Mariners rotation, which had been so healthy
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: the past couple seasons, used just six starters last year,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: which is insane. I mean, for context, the Dodgers have
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: used eleven already this season. Now the Manners are missing
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: sixty percent of their starting rotation. Bryce Miller hits the shelf.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: He's on the il along with Logan Gilbert and George Kirby.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: This is what I've been talking about for years with
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: the Mariners. Was on their radio station or there whatever
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I was on a Seattle station yesterday. I'm on with
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Stacey and Michael, their two great hosts that cover Seattle sports.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: And I don't remember the station's name. Sorry. I was
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: like for the past couple of years, you know, most
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: normal teams deal with a lot of starting pitching injuries,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: so this is going to bite them eventually. And here
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: it goes now, luckily for Mariners fans, who do have
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: what looks like a better offense and a much better
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: contact rate. But we're now down three starters in this rotation.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Two of them are aces. The other one I think
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: is a number three. Bryce Miller's good yea, So how
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: bad is this?
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Uh? Bad? Because I don't know what the depth is.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Woo's been good for him this year. Castillo? How important
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: is that they didn't trade him? Maybe they knew someone
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: we didn't trade lose Castillo. But this is what happens
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: in today's game. You can't count on them. They did
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: it all year less year. All those guys took thirty
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: starts almost and took the ball every five days. And
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: now it's catching up to him. And it's because again
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: I still I'll go back by this. I'll stand with
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: those guys are not conditioned to take the ball every
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: fit day or just.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Not right elbow inflammation for a team that has they
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: if it's not the medical staff, they've done a great
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: job of fine pitchers that have had durability, but the
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: injury bugs biting the arms. This year. Kratz Kirby had
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: the shoulder right and he is on track to return
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: somewhat soon. Logan Gilbert has the classic precursor to what
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: could be a more devastating injury. Elbow imflemation for Bryce
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Miller is not what you like to hear either.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: This was catastrophic last year for this team, it would
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: have been catastrophic. I think the changes that they've made
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: offensively are sustainable. So if I'm believing that, then I
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: have to believe that this team can carry themselves through
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: this time because they're not just a starting rotation team.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Their bullpen is awesome, and then you get to Andres Munos, who,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: by the way, hasn't given up a run yet this year,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: So they only have length in the bullpen that's going
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: to be tested now and it might come back to
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: bite him in July and August. But right now, the
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: offense is not making them win all two to one games.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: They're putting up five or six. So last year this
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: would have been devastating. Maybe not this year.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: It's just like you finally, at least for a little
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: bit of time, crack a code on offense. And now
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: this Kirby, by the way, could be back this month.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I mean he's going through his rehab process right now.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: His rehab starts coming back from the shoulder. Gilbert sounds
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: like he's still always away and now with Miller, will
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: see what the timeline ends up being.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Gilbert my so young pick out the window.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I guess would be mid June at the earliest,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: if not later. Yeah, could be on those situations. I'm
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: just saying, this could be one of those situations where
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Seattle ends up with a top ten offense that makes
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: much better contact plays, a better brand of baseball for
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: that ballpark, and they missed the playoffs by a game
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: with the fifty three point five percent winning percentage, and
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: this year it was the starting rotation which they had
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: so heavily relied on. It could happen rooting for Seattle
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: fans to get a little bit of love. But this
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: one's tough because it's a it's funny to say it, aj,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: but it's top heavy. And by top of it, they
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: don't mean like one, two or three. I mean they
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: had a really sick five. After that, it gets dicey.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, guys are gonna have both bullpen's really good.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: But now the bullpen's going to get more of a strain.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: This is what you always bring up. The guys that
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: they're missing are length guys. Now, it's how what are
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: we going to get from Logan Evans? What are from
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Emerson handpack? These guys are going to get full share
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: starts for a while.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they gotta be good. They gotta be good, just
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: be good enough to get the ball to the bullpen
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: and give them a chance because of offensive swinging.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: So m hmm, let's slap congratulations to Matt Carpenter calling
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: it a career fourteen big league seasons, including twelve with
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: the Saint Louis Cardinals. They love him out there. I'm
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: sure he'll be active special assistant maybe to.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I'm sure he'll have one of those red jackets and
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: give all the Cardinal people one day. Yeah, oh crapender,
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: we get him on the show.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Jack You gotta retired, but you gotta.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: What Red's Hall of Fame.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: Gotta just said, get in, get in.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, get in.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Cras to the Cardinals Hall of Fame.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, David Freeze was going in. He said, no. Carner,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: hud Mark, he was a big hits, so did Matt Carvinger.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Carp's getting in. Can we get him on the.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Showy, I can? I can call him and text him.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I mean he talks to you had nothing to do,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: now come on and let's talk.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: You don't he never did anything when he played, so
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: I mean that's he.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Was the DH before there was a d He used
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: to get made fun of so bad.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: It was so great by the way he used to
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: get made fun of by Matt Holliday, so bad.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Max Monsey Tomorrow, Max Monty Alert on the show The Dodgers,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Max Munsey True