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They will NEVER understand Karbala! · After Maghrib 🌙

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This is welcome back to After Maharim, your favorite share our
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podcast. As you know, last week we had a
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fascinating and very interesting discussion on the event of
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Ghadir. And these are the days where we
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commemorate and we celebrate the Alabama Salaam.
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And we remember the Thakala Quran and the Alabait, which
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ultimately the Holy Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alayhav
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Salam left behind to us to connect to a last panel to Allah
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and of course to follow in his footsteps.
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So these are the days among sisters where we connect with
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the athletes and the holy of Quran.
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We are entering now the days of Muhammad.
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And I want to begin this holy and blessed season with a
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message of condolence, firstly to the Imam of our time, Imam
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Haji al Jalala, to Alafaji Sharif and of course, secondly,
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of course, brothers and sisters yourselves, to the whole Ummah.
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These are the days where mourning takes precedent in our
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lives. We're gathering together as a
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congregation in our mourning and our commemoration for the Holy
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Imam Ali Salam is so important to us, so critical to our
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identity and our faith. So today, insha'allah, we want
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to begin this blessed season as we approach and enter it with an
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understanding as to why we mourn in the 1st place.
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What about Muharram and what about Imam Hussain Ali Salaam's
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message, his vision, his journey, his legacy is so
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important to us not just when we look at the historical
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perspective but also from a a Kaddi perspective, a belief
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system for us as Muslims and why we feel it is compulsory on us
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to mourn the death of Imam for saying Islam.
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So as always, it is not a podcast without my other half
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and that is none other than Sir Ali and other is someone.
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It's a pleasure to be beside you week after week.
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And I think now it's been, I think close to very soon, 100
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episodes. And as you mentioned,
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approaching the sorrowful month of Muharram.
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And, you know, I'm just now speaking about it.
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I can just imagine the atmosphere and the emotion that
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millions and millions of Shiite will experience in the next few
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days. And, and, and it just, you know,
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gives me the vibe that Muharram is here.
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That means the blackness to go up.
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Muharram is here. That means, you know, the, the,
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the season of Aza, the season of Mosa, the season of tears, the
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season of emotion as well as you know, we always remember as we
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approach the month of Muharram, the blessed words of Rasul Allah
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when he, when he speaks about his beloved grandson, Imam
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Hossein Imam about Abdullah, where he says Hussein in Minni
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and Hussein, what does that mean?
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That means if we're crying and we're mourning and we're
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lamenting Imam Hossein, ultimately we are doing this
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with Rasul Allah. And we remember the tears that
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were shed between Rasul Allah and Lady Fatwa Alihah Salaam.
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When, when he informs her of what will happen to her beloved
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son, Imam and Hussein on the day of Al Shura where she tells him,
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you know, Abataya Rasul Allah, will this happen during my
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lifetime, our lifetime? And he tells her, no, this will
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happen during when I am gone, when you're gone, when Imam Ali
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is gone, when Al Hassan and Mushka was gone and Hussein will
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be Gharib, he will be alone. And just think about that.
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Imam and Hussein, the grandson of Rasul Allah, is Gharib on the
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plains of Karbala. But then he consoles his
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daughter and he tells her, don't worry, because she tells him if
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we're not here, who's going to mourn for him?
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Who's going to cry for him? Who's going to remember him?
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And he tells her, you know, Fatima Allah Subhana, what
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Ta'ala will create Shia that will mourn for him, Shia that
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will cry for him, and Shia that will remember and echo the words
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of Imam and Hussain and the tragedy of Karbala in every
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single generation. And think about it, we are part
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of the hadith like when we hear things like that and then we go
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to a mention list or you know, we think about the tragedy of
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Karbala and it gives us tears. Or we think about certain
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moments that took place on the plains of Karbala and that what
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does that do? That plays with our heart.
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And you know that heartstring to know that Habbalam and Haba
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Hussaina, that love brought that that bond, that feeling, that
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attachment that you have with Imam and Hussain.
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Well, it gives me great pleasure to say I know Allah Subhanahu
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Ta'ala can love me Abalam and ABBA Hussaina.
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Who doesn't want to be loved by God?
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And this is the month, Insha Allah, where we remember Imam
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and Hussain and we are a few days away.
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How do you feel? Yeah, I feel, I feel, I feel the
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same way. I feel like it's really hitting
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hard, like you said, when you see the Sawad, the black clothes
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go up on the walls and the the environment around you changes.
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You take out your black clothes, you start looking for the
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Majalis, planning your day around in the week around the
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Majalis and you for for many of us handle like we even start
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preparing and hosting majalis in our homes in our community
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centres. It's an honour, like you said,
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to be a part of that tradition of Azhar of, of Majalis and that
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is incumbent upon us. And like I said earlier, I, I
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believe this, it's, it's more than just a theological thing or
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historical thing. It's an Akadi thing in the sense
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that it is a core belief for us in our belief systems.
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When we talk about a dialogue, when we talk about Imam, even of
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course you could discuss, you know, the Nabul of Salam Ahmed
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sallallahu alaihi walu Salam, everything ties in everything
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ties in every event that happened in the lives of the
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Ayam. Ayam Salam was so pivotal in
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paving the the will of Allah. You know, the what God had
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planned ultimately happened. Nothing happens without God's
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will. So a lot of people ask at this
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juncture, just before the 10 nights begin, why did Imam
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Hussein go to Karbala? Why did he not just give beta to
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Yazeed Latuntallah Ali? What was it about Imam Hussein
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which made him stand up? You know what was it?
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Was he a different type of man to the other Imams?
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Was he a different type of Imam or a leader?
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I think the Imams are very consistent because like we said,
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for them the belief system is such.
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It's not a personality thing or an opinion based thing.
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The belief system was consistent and all of the Imams in our
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third Imams position would have done the same thing.
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And that is to stand up against Yazid.
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Lantalla Ali. There's a lot of things we can
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talk about. The last thing I want to say
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before I hand back to you is a lot of the time we hear in the
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Sunni community differing views about the death of mum Hussein E
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Islam, his his beloved family and companions.
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And we have the classical and traditional scholars, for
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example, Sayuti, for example, who says you can do Latin on
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Yazid, for example, for being the killer of Imam Hussein,
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Latin on Yazeed. Then you have, for example,
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Ahmedabad bin Hambal who said you can do it, but it's not
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advised, it's precautionary not to do it, better not to do it,
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but he was the killer of Imam Hussein.
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Then you have, for example, other scholars who not only say
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you can't do Latin, but go to the extent, even contemporary
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scholars who say you should praise Yazid or not blame Yazid.
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Zaka Naik from India, he says Yazid Radi Allahu and which I
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can't get my head around. Yasir Qadhi of course from the
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USA who's a well revered scholar within the Sunni world.
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He says Yazid was not responsible for the death of
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Imam Hussein Alayhi Salaam and that it should be blamed upon
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the ones who themselves carried out the act of killing of the
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holy Imam. Now I've I've got a few points
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on this but I want to get your thoughts and what you think on.
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This I'm glad you mentioned those points because I think
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they're going to be very relevant in the discussion that
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we're going to have here, Ahmed. And I just want to go back a
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little because you mentioned just before you raised the
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examples of those who Revere Yazid or those who say, you
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know, rather Allah. And I think the mercy of Allah
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is far away from a man like Yazid.
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And to know why Imam Hussain went to Karbala.
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Yeah. I think just very briefly here
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before I speak about Yaziz because I think I want to
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dedicate a few minutes here. Is that Imam Hussain, you know,
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had a God-given mission, if I can say, And this was to revive
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and restore the pristine teachings.
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The son of his grandfather, Muhammad Rasul Allah sallallahu
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alaihi alaihi wasallam. So that was his mission and that
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was his journey, and that's what he was heading towards.
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Yeah. The problem is Yazid came in his
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way where he wanted the baia of Imam Hussein Alihis Salaam.
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Now, why wouldn't Imam Hussein give baia to a man like Yazid?
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Yeah. You know, very famously he says
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a few lines when I think before we, we, we, we go there.
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Let's just talk about Yazid for a little.
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Yazid, it's not your normal human being.
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He's not your normal caliph. He's not your normal leader.
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Yani, he's not even, I think, an average Muslim, of course of.
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Course, far away from it. Yani.
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If, if, if I can say Yani, what virtues does he have?
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He's got 3 Shaitan, evil, corruption.
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There's there's nothing else when it when it comes to Yazid
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in Mahavia, where Imam Hussein will later on go on to say
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mithli la ybayo mythlec that a man like me will never give BAE.
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I will never give allegiance to a man like you.
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Like when you hear that as a Muslim, like you hear one side
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saying Yazid rather Allahu'an and then you hear the other side
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for saying I hate to use it rather allahu'an because it's
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alayhi Salaam. You, you got to understand
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something. Yeah.
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I I think this is where I want to take the conversation.
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I think throughout today's discussion, but what happens
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when the grandson of Rasul Allah says, I'm not going to give baia
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to the one who claims to be representing Rasul Allah?
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I think there's a, there's a number of things that happen
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here. There's you can look at it from
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the lens of Hakan Bakan that Imam Hussein does not want to
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mix truth with falsehood. Imam Hussein doesn't want to mix
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the purification of the Ehil bait with the impurities of
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Yazid. There are so much ways that 111
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can take this conversation. But when, when I say to you
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Yazid or when I say to you Hussain, what is one thing that
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stands out as a Muslim, I don't want, I don't want you to talk
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as a Shiite if someone tells you Yazid, Radiallahu and and
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Hussain. What do you mean one thing that
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stands out? How can they both be Radiallahu
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and? Of course they force impossible.
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Yeah, it it doesn't make sense. They, they, they, they, they
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repel one another, you know, and they, they are opposites to one
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another. You know when the companion
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Minhal came to Imam Sajjad Ali Salam in Sham and he says to
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you, what are your thoughts on Yazid?
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He asked him Mam Sajal Islam referenced Surat Al Casas
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Chapter 28 verse #4 where last panel to Allah talks about
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Pharaon and the translation reads Pharaon has become high
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handed in the land. He has divided its people into
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different groups. He used to persecute a group of
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them slaughtering their sons and keeping their women alive.
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Indeed he is one of the mischief makers.
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This is very important because alas, Panetta Allah is talking
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about the comparison. Well, alas, Panetta, Allah's
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talking about Ferrone and the Mamas.
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Sajad Islam, who is the son of Revelation, the son of divinity
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in the sense of the divine Revelation himself is making a
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parallel between Ferrone as a mischief maker, as a persecutor,
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as oppressor, as one who slaughters the young men and
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keeps women separately, between that and Yazid.
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And then for those today to say no, but Imam Hussein is Salaam,
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you never know, maybe maybe he forgave, maybe his his his
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family forgave Yazid. Maybe Yazid asked for Toba,
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maybe asked for repentance. The one who pokes the head of
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Imam with a stick, will that person ever have softness in his
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heart to seek repentance from the last one or to Allah?
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When Allah makes a verse about Fedahon calling him a mischief
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maker? The one who persecuted people,
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split people, the one who killed the babies and kept the women
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separately and Imam Sajjad Ali Islam is comparing that man to
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Yazid Ali. Is there any doubt?
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Is there any shock or hesitation in comparing them?
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Look at the parallels between these two individuals.
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The the validity of Yazid's position is Khalafa in itself is
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questioned because there was corruption on a number of
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levels. There was like a political
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corruption in the sense that it was hereditary succession.
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Yazid became Khalafa through successorship of his father,
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through inheritance of Khalafa through his father.
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That in itself invalidates his argument.
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He then consolidated power by persecuting individuals.
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He silenced them, he intimidated them, he coerced them into doing
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things from a moral and an ethical perspective.
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We, we reject his Khalafa, okay. He publicly disregarded Islamic
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values, Islamic laws. He was known for his indulgence
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in alcohol, in gambling and other kind of UN Islamic and
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unethical acts. He was harsh in his treatments
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to his opponents. He was known to assassinate
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people who spoke up or anyone who practiced dissent.
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He'd exploit people. He would steal money.
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These were things that generally was was anti Islam and
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everything that was Islam was embodied by Ahlad Beit Alayhi
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Musalam and at the time the hijab on earth.
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The Imam on the earth was Imam Hussein Ali Salam and everything
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that Imam Hussein believed in, Yazeed did the opposite of and
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vice versa. We believe as Shia Muslims that
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Yazeed was a kafir. We believe he was a kafir.
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We don't believe that his father who unfortunately we reject as
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well, but we don't believe that him being the son of someone who
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others call Sahaba, you know, just because the father was
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someone who was in contact with the suallah does not validate
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Yazid in in his khalafa in. Itself and just this point of
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Yazid being a kafir, just like in case anyone is wondering,
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very famously, historically it's narrated, you know, after the
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events of Karbala and Sham and his palace.
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He goes along to say the lines of there was no wahi that came
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to Muhammad and there was never any revelation that came down.
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It just goes to. Show you.
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Yeah, yeah. That he rejects, and he rejects
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Muhammad. He said, he said the Hashemites
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played with the Hashemites played with authority, like like
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a Kingdom and like a ruler, which tells me as someone
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logically thinking about it, my rationale tells me that he's
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saying he's saying the Hashemites played with
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authority, like a ruler with his Kingdom.
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That means that you don't believe that this is a divine
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appointment by God, which therefore means you don't
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believe in Muhammad al Allah, which therefore means you don't
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believe in that Ilahallah through rationale.
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So it's you know you in your you through your statement have
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negated your own belief. And I think even back to the
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point of mythly Liya by a myth like a man like me will never
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give allegiance to a man like you.
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And I think another comparison will be very nice.
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I think this combo, now we're talking about, you know, that we
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don't Revere him or his father. It's just compare the two family
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trees. Look, look, look at Yazid.
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So first of all, we have Abu Sufyan plus Hind plus Mahalia
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Ikos, Yazid Ibn Mahalia. Wow.
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So we have Hind who ate the liver of Hamza.
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We have Mahalia, who was an enemy to Imam Ali.
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That's an understatement. Go look at Sophine and I think
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it goes more way beyond Sophine. And then and now you have Yazid
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bin Mahaya very clearly who was against the family of Rasul
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Allah, killing the grandson of Rasul Allah.
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The point I want to make is that if we really want to compare
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rather Allahu and to Yazid and Alayhis Salaam to Imam Hussain.
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I just spoke about this tree. Now let's come to this tree.
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Hussain, the beloved grandson of Rasul Allah, the brother of Imam
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Al Hassan and Musharraf Al Karim al Elbait, his mother Fatima
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Tazarah say that in Assad Al Amin, his father, the commander
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of the faithful Prince of believers Emir Al Mamanian, his
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grandfather Rasul Allah Muhammad Sallallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.
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How can a man like Hussein give baia to a man?
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Like so let me ask you a question.
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Let me ask you a question. OK, So a lot of people will
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agree thus far they will say I understand why Yazid was was
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despicable, deplorable. And then you have I understand
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why Hussein Ibn Ali Ali Salam was holy and purified.
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But why did Imam and Hussein a have to go to Karbala?
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Why did he leave his Hajj and and B why did he take those with
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him? Why did he allow himself to be
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sacrificed when he could continue to live on as the Imam
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and to guide the people and to lead the ummah?
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Why did he give his life when he could have just, you know, said
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for the greater good I will give beta.
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What are your thoughts? And I I know we've spoken about
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beta quite a lot here. And you you just beta is the
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core. Of it, it is technically it
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should be because it makes you understand why Imam Hussain went
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on embarked on his journey towards Karbala because the
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reason he ended up at Karbala was all because of this beta
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issue. Yeah, Yazid sent his hench men
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to go get baia from Imam Hussein.
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And if he doesn't give baia, then kill him and behead him.
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He even went as far as to say even if Imam Hussein is on the
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Jedar of the cabin, he's in the the sacred land of Mecca, he's
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in the sacred House of God and he doesn't give baia.
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Bring his head to me. He went to that.
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He went that far. And then when that news, when
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that news reached the son of Fafim, Imam Hussein Ali Salam,
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he said I have to leave Hajj. He left early.
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He didn't complete his full Hajj, did he?
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And he gave an example and he and he said, if Yazid is willing
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to spill my blood here, when I can't even spill the blood of an
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insect in this Holy Land, I must leave Haj because he knows
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what's going to happen. Yazid hench men are going to
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come and they're going to try kill the grandson of Arsolallah.
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And he left Hajj, went on to go towards Kufa.
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Eventually he got stopped on the way.
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He ended up in Karbala. And I think as we continue
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throughout the weeks in Muharram.
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We'll talk more about it and there's a there's a million
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things we can talk about and just talking, I mean we could
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spend 8 episodes alone just talking about the story of, of
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Hazard Muslim and what happened in Kufa alone and that in
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itself. Is you know what?
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We should dedicate an episode. I think, I think we should.
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I think, in fact, we, I think we shouldn't Charlotte, hopefully
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next week we'll try and make the near if, if, if things permit.
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But there's, there's important points to make.
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Firstly, Imam Hussein Islam to leave Hajj, which is compulsory
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on all Muslims to stop his Hajj halfway and to head away from,
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from Hijaz signifies to me that the the stand he was taking was
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in his eyes, more Wajib. The order from Allah Spantala
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was that this is more compulsory on you.
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Than completing your Hajj. That in itself is something to
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to be aware of. The second thing is that Imam
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Hussain Ali Salam could not give Baiterti Azid because he had he
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had to refuse to endorse a leader who openly violated
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Islamic teachings and practices. We're talking about a community
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of people who put heads on Spears less than 50 years after
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the death of the mercy to mankind.
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Sallallahu alaihi alaihi wasallam.
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And in Imam Hussein's defence of justice, he was able to to give
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himself basically. And that was so important.
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He stood up against the injustice of Yazid's regime.
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And, and just from a logical perspective as well, how can
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anyone take Islam seriously? How can anyone take the other
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beta name of Islam seriously if they themselves accept
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reluctantly, albeit, but accept the bait of Yazid?
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How it you, you won't take them seriously because you'll say you
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say one things, but your actions tell me something else.
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If you give in to Yazid, your actions say something else.
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So Imam Hussein Islam, it's not that he had no choice but to
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give his life, but he willingly did it because he wanted to
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serve Allah, Allah. And he knew that this was for
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the for the, the, the greater good, for the bigger picture,
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that this will continue to revive the teachings of Russella
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Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Alaihi of Salem.
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And you know, the point of I think we focused a lot on beta
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here. I think one more .1 more point
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to add to this. Is that why Imam Hussain will
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never give beta to a man like Yazid?
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I think we read it all the time is you have to.
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I showed up yeah too. And just like the, the, the
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impurities of the ignorant and barbaric people will never come
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to you, Hussein, it's never going to touch you.
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You're not going to shake hands with impurities.
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You're not going to shake hands with, you know, people who are
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filled with hate, who are filled with rage, people who are filled
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with anger towards your mother, towards your father, towards
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your grandfather. What is all of this like?
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If, if we, if we want to talk about Hussein and if we want to
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talk about Yazid, I, I, I think let's leave Hussein alone for a
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second. I think we all know his status.
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I think we all know how great he is.
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I think we all know his mission. But I don't think people have
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understood who Yazid is because Yazid and, and I think it may be
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shocking for a lot of Muslims listening.
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Yazid used to lead, lead facial prayers whilst being drunk.
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He was intoxicated. I don't know, he's swimming
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alcohol. Allahu, Alan, what he used to
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do, but he used to leave prayers while he was drunk.
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And, you know, very famously I said let's leave Shia box aside,
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let's go to the Sunni world. Those who at times Revere him,
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those who praise him and those who say he held lots of virtues,
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lots of merits. Let's go to Ibn Kafir.
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Let's go to his book Al Bidaya and Nahi.
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OK. He mentions a number of virtues
22:59
about Yazid. Are you ready for the virtues?
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The first mirror Yazid loves to consume alcohol.
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Yeah. That's merit.
23:09
One merit #2 Yazid loves to be in private gatherings with young
23:15
boys. Yeah, you can imagine the rest.
23:17
Merit #3 Yazid loved music, went to as far as music was being
23:24
played in the lands of Mecca and Medina point #4 Yazid.
23:31
Should I carry on? Yeah, of course, of course.
23:34
I don't want to be sarcastic, but this is the reality of of.
23:38
Of. But do you know what?
23:39
Do you know what annoys me? Said I'll be real with you.
23:40
Yeah. You talk about.
23:42
I mean, Kathira, I'll be there when they hire.
23:43
Yeah. OK.
23:44
I guarantee you I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure when
23:48
I looked into this before, there's no mention of the
23:52
dishonour of Yazid because of him being the killer of a mum.
23:54
I was. Saying of course not.
23:56
They will list A-Z of all the sins that Yazid has done.
24:00
He played with monkeys, he played chess, he listened to
24:02
music, he drunk alcohol, he liked young boys.
24:05
But none of that, none of that is worse than being the killer
24:08
of a month saying. Islam, by the way, they will
24:10
even debate if he's a Muslim, but those so say Rodi Allahuan
24:14
sold and their debate is not, by the way, whether he was a Muslim
24:16
or a woman, it's whether he was a Farsik, a Farger or a Carter.
24:21
So they already know where it's headed.
24:23
But the problem is the moment they want to admit how Yazeed
24:25
came into power, what paved the way for Yazeed to come into
24:28
power, a lot of dominoes start to fall.
24:30
So they have to sort of create like an umbrella sort of
24:33
protection, an extra added layoff safety, a safety net
24:37
where don't look too much into Yazeed because if you do, you
24:40
might start to. Look back to everything
24:43
crumbles, back to everything crumbles.
24:46
Honestly, honestly, how did Yazeed come into power?
24:48
OK, how did his dad come into power?
24:52
Didn't his dad take power from a mammal Hassan al Islam?
24:55
What's the story there? How did mammal Hassan al Islam
24:59
retrieve successorship from his Holy Father?
25:01
And how was your mammal Hazan killed By who?
25:03
Who ordered this? And these things said, I'll just
25:06
say, you know, this, it's just frustrating.
25:08
I know we're going to wrap up soon, but the whole concept
25:10
which drives me insane, you know, and even in in some
25:15
traditions that say, as I mentioned earlier, that Yazid
25:17
sought Toba, no, it does not make any sense.
25:21
I cannot fathom how this makes sense because we've said in
25:25
previous episodes how he attacked the Kataba, for
25:28
example, in the in the latter years of, of his Khalafa.
25:31
And obviously he only lived, I think a couple of years after
25:33
Katabala anyway, and he attacked the Kataba in those years.
25:37
It's like, for example, you know, if someone seeks toba, if
25:41
someone seeks Toba, they mean it from their heart, from the
25:43
bottom of their soul. OK, And that means I make the
25:46
NIA to never do this thing again, right?
25:49
And I heard in a, in a fantastic lecture that it's like, for
25:52
example, if, if, if if someone has an issue with a father,
25:56
insults a father and then 14 years on, for example, at the
26:01
funeral of the father's son, at the son's funeral, he insults
26:06
people and attacks people at the funeral or attacks the funeral,
26:09
for example, But they say no, maybe they sought TOBA.
26:12
But if they sought TOBA after the first insult, then how can
26:15
they then the TOBA be sincere or forgiven?
26:17
It doesn't make sense. And in the same way we say that
26:20
Yazid was disingenuous, all of this when he says, for example,
26:24
in the Sunni books says that Yazid blames Ibn Ziyad, he says
26:30
look what Ibn Ziyad has brought upon me.
26:32
Ibn Ziyad was in Kufa. Now if we're making the argument
26:35
that Yazid was in Shaman, Karbala, happened in Iraq, then
26:39
Ibn Ziyad is in Kufa. He's not in Karbala either.
26:41
So why is that a point to mention?
26:43
And even more so when Yazid says look what Ibn Ziad has brought
26:47
up on me, Some people you can look at it from 2 perspectives.
26:50
Either that means look what he's done.
26:54
I can't believe this has happened.
26:55
I'm very remorseful. Or on the flip side, Yazid is
26:58
saying what a nuisance this guy is, what inconvenience he's
27:02
brought upon me. Because now I have to deal with
27:04
these people. I don't want to deal with them.
27:06
I don't want to deal with the reputation it's giving me.
27:08
I stand by what I did but I blame the ones who I appointed
27:12
to carry out for making this inconvenience is to me.
27:15
Do you see what I mean? Like it, It does not make sense
27:18
and it's sickening to the course.
27:19
I think it's so important that all Shia around the world and
27:22
including myself, first and foremost, we familiarise
27:26
ourselves with the reasoning for Imam Hussain Ali Salam's message
27:31
in its in itself, in its in the 1st place.
27:33
Why did Imam Hussain Ali Haslam get to the point where he had to
27:36
arrive at Karbala? Why was he there?
27:39
Why did he know that he was embarking on this journey with
27:43
his his beloved family and his companions knowing that they
27:46
would all lose their lives? Why did he take it upon himself
27:50
to do that? And what was his near towards
27:52
our last panel to Allah? Because without this complete
27:55
holistic understanding of why Imam Hussein did what he did, we
28:00
will never ever understand Karaballah.
28:03
Ever. We can do Majalis until the day
28:05
we die. We can name our son of Qasim,
28:07
Akbar, Askar all of these names until the day we die.
28:10
For hundreds of years our lineage are doing Azar and
28:13
Majalis. But if we don't truly understand
28:16
Imam Hussein's understanding of Tawheed and his his his full
28:22
manifestation of Tawheed in his actions, then we will never
28:27
understand Karbala. And if we don't understand
28:30
Karbala, then we can't share his message to people around us.
28:33
When we talk about Imam Hussein, we will end up being cliche.
28:36
Imam Prasain stood for justice. He stood against tyranny, he
28:39
stood up against depression. OK bro, how?
28:41
Tell me please, what is it? Because first and foremost,
28:44
first and foremost, Imam Prasain stood for a last part of the
28:47
Allah. The commandment of Allah comes
28:49
first, secondly, secondly comes his responsibility to the
28:55
people, his public duty, his duty as the Imam.
28:57
What not so on and so forth. These are secondary.
29:00
They are still wording upon him as the Imam, but first and
29:03
foremost Imam's Imam was doing a godly act.
29:07
He sacrificed himself because Allah commanded it.
29:09
That was priority. We do a disservice to the Holy
29:13
Imam when we make it purely about a Good Samaritan self
29:16
sacrifice for the wider cause of justice.
29:19
And bro, these things are pseudo intellectual in the purest form
29:23
of nature. Unless, because they're all true
29:25
facts, but unless we understand the daheed behind the Imam's
29:28
actions. So I sorry I know I'm rambling a
29:31
bit but I really want to make that point clear to myself.
29:34
Because if I enter this holy month without a full
29:37
understanding of why the Imam did what he did, then there's no
29:40
point in me doing ziyad or going to Arbai in attending majalis.
29:44
Because I go, I mourn, I beat my chest, I cry, I shed tears, I
29:47
take my children I, I, I wear black, I tell my wife to wear
29:50
black. I I, I don't laugh and joke
29:53
around. I don't waste time and crack
29:55
jokes and there's no point doing any of that if it has no bearing
29:59
on my relationship with God. Do you see what I mean?
30:02
Like I truly believe that because Karabala and Ashura and
30:06
it's there for a reason. You know, there's there's so
30:09
much more to gain from Karabala than just the tears.
30:14
The tears are our intercessional salvation.
30:17
You know, they will save us from the fire of hell.
30:20
They will call us inshallah. But it's more than the tears.
30:25
It has to be more than the tears because we won't reach the
30:27
pinnacles of, of faith that we want to reach without that
30:30
understanding. That's just like my, my truest
30:33
current opinion. You know, I really believe we
30:35
need to get to that stage. I have you have one layer very
30:38
right, Ahmed, I, I endorse every second you spoke in that point
30:43
because it gave me flashbacks to our previous conversation we had
30:49
last Muharram where we were like, you know, there has to be
30:51
more. Like it's not just yes, the
30:55
month of Muharram. Don't get me wrong, it's about
30:57
mourning, it's about Azad. And we dedicate Azad and
31:00
mourning throughout Muharram and Safar, right?
31:03
But there is more to learn from Karbala.
31:06
There is more to learn from Ashura.
31:07
There is more to understand from Imam Hussain, not just his
31:10
battle, but understand his biography, understand, you know,
31:15
the teachings that he done, the works that he completed.
31:17
And it's not just about him dying on the plains of Karbala
31:21
or being killed on the plains of Karbala, or his head being
31:24
paraded from city to city. There is more because it was a
31:27
godly mission. And like you mentioned, you
31:29
mentioned a very beautiful word, which was the Tauheid of Imam
31:33
and Hussein. I don't think anyone has ever
31:35
looked at it from that lens and perhaps it's a lens we should
31:39
take here on the aftermath of podcast is what was the top
31:42
Haiti Mahmoud Hussain was after? What was he trying to re
31:45
establish? What was that connection he
31:47
wanted to give to the Muslims and revive and awaken the Omah
31:50
of Muhammad? Back to believe in the Allah
31:52
Allah, back to believe in the justice of Allah, his Adalah.
31:55
All of this bro, this is something we need to ask
31:57
ourselves. Said, I think it's a good time
31:58
for you to talk about the canvas behind us, my dear brother Kariz
32:02
Hosseini, who put together this absolutely beautiful artwork.
32:09
Tell us what it says. I need the artwork.
32:12
I saw it a few days ago and I was just staring at it.
32:16
It's it's a beautiful piece of art and it has the Quranic eye
32:22
and the verse, it reminds you of a podcast.
32:28
We have notice our dad, he mentioned it quite a few times a
32:30
few weeks back when we were discussing mental health.
32:32
And now here, here the verses is right there and and something we
32:35
should reflect on. And at the bottom it says
32:37
Assalamu Allah Rasil, peace be upon the head that was 7th and
32:44
the the head of Imam Hussein was placed on top of the spear.
32:48
Yeah, this is this is no joke. Yeah.
32:50
I mean, why, why, why did it happen?
32:53
Why did Allah allow it to happen?
32:56
Like there is so much, I think not hidden meaning behind
33:00
Ashura. It's just we're not chasing it.
33:03
We're not bothered to go look for it.
33:04
We're not bothered to go look for it.
33:06
We just want to do lock on and at Hamdullah for lock on.
33:08
And Inshallah, this chest will crush in the beating and the
33:12
lamenting that we do for Imam Hussein during during his
33:14
majalis. But there is more Ahmed Wallah,
33:18
there is more. I mentioned last year.
33:19
There's so much points on my head.
33:20
I may repeat from last year where I was like the connection
33:24
we need to have with Muharram is the connection that we build
33:30
during the months of Ramadan. If we're, you know, standing,
33:34
praying on time during the month of Ramadan, that's because we
33:38
have understood what Allah was from us.
33:42
Muharram is here. Let's understand why Hussein
33:46
died for us. What benefit is there to us from
33:51
Karbala and from Ashura? So if it's prayers, for example,
33:56
I'll see you again. Imam Hussain didn't stop him
33:59
from praying during the battle. He stood firm.
34:03
He established Salah. And you know, we read during the
34:08
most difficult time, the most difficult.
34:10
Moment and a lot of rewarded him for that.
34:12
Of course, you know there's this verse behind us from sort of
34:15
Fajr and art of Fasir. In fact, even from Islam.
34:19
He mentions that this is the sort of the mum saying Islam
34:23
because in the first couple of verses, I think in the sort of
34:25
if I'm not mistaken, it talks about 10 nights.
34:28
It talks about the concept of 10 nights.
34:29
It's unknown in the wider was Muslim world, but out of us
34:32
references 10 nights, which we believe the 10 nights of arm of
34:35
course, and in this verse from I think 27 to 30 or something like
34:40
that, when it talks about nafsal mutoma in the the the tranquil
34:45
soul, the soul that is. At rest the contented soul.
34:48
The consent, the contented soul. We believe that that soul in our
34:52
tough series is in reference to Mama saying this, that even
34:55
amidst such trying and turbulent circumstances, Imam Hussein
34:59
Islam returned to our last final to Allah.
35:01
I. Said.
35:04
Lord, take all you want until you're pleased, yeah.
35:07
We so the, the tawheed is the primary thing we remember, you
35:12
know, talking about, like you said, just the, the Azhar and
35:15
all of these things are our mechanism, our vehicle to reach
35:19
that point of tawheed. They have to be and it can't
35:21
just, it can't be an end point. The Majalis, the Hidma, the
35:25
Chima, the all of these things. They, they, they, they are
35:29
mechanisms for us to reach God and that has to be key for us.
35:32
Like we reach Imam Hussein when we understand Imam Hussein
35:36
holistically in his, in his whole form and his whole vision,
35:42
then we understand that everything he did was for a last
35:45
one to Allah, you know, so hopefully.
35:47
When you help them, Shahar a laugh and the ham.
35:50
And we know those who revive the symbols of God for the piety of
35:54
the hearts. I sense like all like we we, we,
35:57
we very like in our school of four.
36:00
Yeah. We connect the shower of Imam
36:01
Hussein, for example, to the shower of a lot.
36:03
Yeah, yeah. They go hand in hand and, and
36:06
there's a point I want to say, I think we as Shia, I think we
36:09
know we have to do more. But I think possibly there may
36:12
be for the first time, I think because we've discussed your
36:14
seed, we may have Muslims watching who are not Shia
36:17
thinking what, what on earth are we talking about?
36:19
Like who is Imam Hussain? I just know him, that he was a
36:22
young kid with Rasul Allah. I don't know nothing more.
36:25
I think there's a duty on you as a Muslim because as a Muslim,
36:28
well, it's incumbent on you to go find the truth.
36:31
I'm not going to come and tell you Ali, Omar, Haku al Hakum,
36:34
Ali. I don't want to repeat these
36:35
lines. I watched that last week.
36:36
Yeah, tune back last week, last year, the week before that,
36:40
every week, Insha Allah Haku Ali will stay with Ali.
36:42
But there there is an added responsibility on you that you
36:46
need to go see the truth no matter where it takes you, only
36:50
for the people. So just because someone told
36:52
you, you know what, let's reveal Yazeed or let's reveal Mahalia,
36:55
and then that's the truth. No, no, no, look for the truth.
36:58
And then you'll find this people very famously.
37:00
You've said this so much times in our conversations that we
37:02
have here. But I do want to say this and I
37:05
think as a final point from me is that how can you say may
37:10
Allah be pleased with the one and the ones who hurts the
37:15
family of Rasul? Allah.
37:17
The ones, all of them killed the family of Rasul Allah, butchered
37:21
the family of Rasul Allah, pains the family of Rasul Allah, hurt
37:25
the family of Rasul Allah. And it goes beyond, beyond.
37:29
The ones who praise them, be with them.
37:30
The the the problem is they think we just emotion.
37:33
We're just emotionally attached to the elevator.
37:36
No bro, go read Hadif al Kisal. Go look at how Rasul Allah
37:41
sallallahu alayhi wasalam beautifully articulates what has
37:46
Ellen Bait means to him. And whilst I do have it on, I do
37:50
have it on on my phone. I'm going to mention a few lines
37:54
where he says referring to his to his family very briefly.
38:00
Hadith al kisat. It's the hadith on the cloak,
38:03
the Imani cloak, where Rasul Allah, Fatimah, Zahra, Imam Ali
38:08
and Al Hassan and Hussain and eventually Angel Jubrail.
38:11
They all go under this kisa. He says Allahumma and naha ulaya
38:15
helabeti. Oh Allah, these are the people
38:17
of my household, Lahum lahmi waddemo home, Demi.
38:22
Their flesh is my flesh and their blood is my blood, My
38:25
blood. You illumine my illumine.
38:28
Whoever hurts them hurts me. Whoever displeases them
38:34
displeases me. And a harbour only man Harabo
38:38
home. I am at war with those who are
38:42
at war with them. OK Wassalm only man Salem home.
38:47
I am at peace with those who are at peace with them.
38:51
What I do only men are the home. I am an enemy of their enemies.
38:57
Speaks for itself. That's not no.
39:03
No more, no more comments. Not say that I don't know.
39:07
Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is not.
39:09
Coming from the back lips, the tongue of.
39:12
No conjecture, no dispute. There's no question marks,
39:17
colours. That's it.
39:18
Point proven right. I mean, look, bro, this is
39:22
inshallah I, I really pray a blessing season for us.
39:24
I hope everyone at home is, is going to have a blessed season.
39:27
We use this as a, as a inshallah catalyst for us to gain that
39:32
connection with the last Montana through say, the Shahada Alaihi
39:35
Salaam. And I'm, I'm, I'm looking
39:39
forward to the next few episodes.
39:41
I know it's going to be heartbreaking.
39:42
I know we have some absolutely excellent, excellent podcasts
39:47
lined up. Hamdullah for the blessing of
39:50
being in London, bro, because we have so many amazing, amazing,
39:54
amazing guests, every Muharram, both local and travellers who
39:58
are visiting London, who we can bring on the podcast.
40:00
And it's extremely difficult because we could do a podcast a
40:04
day between now and either Zahara Ali Salaam, and we could
40:08
continue to do a different discussion on every day with a
40:11
different guest, and it would still not do justice or suffice.
40:15
To to the level of talking and, and analysis that this holy
40:19
season warrants and deserves. So you know, we're going to try
40:23
and cram as much positive, proactive educational content in
40:29
as, as we can. But look, as we always say,
40:33
we're open to your suggestions, your ideas, everyone at home.
40:36
So please keep us informed in your Das.
40:40
Let us know who you want to see, what you want us to talk about.
40:43
And yeah, over to you. Said they're all Ahmed.
40:46
Said they're all said too much. There's not, no, there's nothing
40:49
else for me to say apart. From Now's a good time to
40:51
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40:54
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41:12
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41:14
Take care. Please keep us, your daughters
41:16
in the beginning of the holy nights.
41:18
And Charlotte, next week, we'll continue our conversations.
41:20
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