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"Bachelorette" Fallout Just Getting Started · I Do, Part 2

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Speaker 1: Hey that folks. It is Saturday, March twenty first, and
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Speaker 1: headlines and entertainment matters and pr matters have now given
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Speaker 1: way to legal matters as the fallout continues from the
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Speaker 1: cancelation of the Taylor Frankie Paul lead season of The
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Speaker 1: bat Thurreat. With that, welcome to this episode of Amy
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Speaker 1: and TJ. Yes here on this Saturday. Yes, or Tomorrow's
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Speaker 1: supposed to be a big premiere day for the bat Threat.
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Speaker 1: That is not happening. And rode some of the headlines
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Speaker 1: or one thing about the cancelation, And now we're starting
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Speaker 1: to see some drips and drabs of maybe some legal
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Speaker 1: matters starting to bubble up, including for her personally in
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Speaker 1: terms of her family robes.
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Speaker 2: Yes, a lot of people have been running to lawyers
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Speaker 2: for some legal advice, as you predicted earlier. Yes, this
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Speaker 2: is where the story turns next. And first, Yes, it
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Speaker 2: is personal and painful for Taylor Frankie Paul because Dakota Mortensen,
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Speaker 2: who was her ex, who is in that video, who
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Speaker 2: she's now under investigation with for another domestic violence incident.
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Speaker 3: Well, he went to court.
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Speaker 2: We told you on Thursday when that video was released,
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Speaker 2: asked a judge for a protective order and asked for
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Speaker 2: sole custody of his son temporarily.
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Speaker 3: Well guess what he got both.
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Speaker 1: How old is this this one two years old?
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Speaker 2: In fact, the video came out on Ever's second birthday,
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Speaker 2: March nineteenth, and so he was with Dakota.
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Speaker 3: He is staying with Dakota.
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Speaker 2: And even worse, Babe, there's a hearing scheduled for April seventh.
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Speaker 2: Taylor Frankie Paul cannot have contact with her son until then.
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Speaker 2: The actual quote from the judge was, no parent time
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Speaker 2: is allowed until the scheduled hearing.
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Speaker 1: Wow, that's I mean, you could talk about the show
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Speaker 1: all day long, robes, but that is a devastating blow
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Speaker 1: for anybody. Yes, you could say this is all of
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Speaker 1: her own doing and that's fine, but that's devastating and
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Speaker 1: things are starting to pile up like that. But that's
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Speaker 1: awful to here, and it's probably the right move, right.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how anyone, I mean, a judge, this
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Speaker 1: is what the judge is supposed to do, make this
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Speaker 1: kind of a call. I don't know how it's anyone
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Speaker 1: can kind of right now disagree with that. Yes, she
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Speaker 1: lost temporarily.
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Speaker 2: Two of the biggest shows on the planet right now,
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Speaker 2: or at least temporarily, she's lost them, and almost certainly
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Speaker 2: at least one of them has gone forever.
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Speaker 3: And to now lose custody of her son.
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Speaker 2: And I think just the idea that you can't even
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Speaker 2: have supervised visits, you can't even lay eye on your son,
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Speaker 2: because in that protective order that Dakota got, it is
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Speaker 2: ordered now that Taylor Frankie Paul must stay one hundred
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Speaker 2: feet away from Dakota, which includes his home, which is
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Speaker 2: where her son is. And she also can't own any weapons.
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Speaker 2: Those are the conditions of the protective order. And the
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Speaker 2: temporary customers.
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Speaker 1: Don't know what the judge saw, but the judge saw
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Speaker 1: enough to think you're enough of a danger to another
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Speaker 1: human being that you have to stay away. These things
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Speaker 1: aren't taken necessarily lightly Romes. But a judge looked at
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Speaker 1: evidence and found her to be a threat, but a
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Speaker 1: network looked at her and did not. That's going to
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Speaker 1: be another part of the story. And Rose, you just
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Speaker 1: said something like she had two of the biggest shows.
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Speaker 1: She's lost one for sure, Hashi is what's going to
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Speaker 1: be my only question?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 2: No, I mean I think I'm just saying, God, how
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Speaker 2: would they ever? But we pointed out and several articles
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Speaker 2: that have been popping up over the weekend have also
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Speaker 2: pointed out that in their official statement, in Disney's official statement,
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Speaker 2: they said at this time when they talked about canceling
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Speaker 2: or postponing the show, they put in the phrase at
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Speaker 2: this time, and they talked about what's possibly probably.
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Speaker 3: Going on behind the scenes.
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Speaker 2: They A lot of folks believe that executives gave themselves
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Speaker 2: a a possible life raft. If, for instance, the court
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Speaker 2: decides in Utah not to pursue charges against Taylor Frankie Paul,
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Speaker 2: if somehow other information comes out that makes her look better,
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Speaker 2: or we can understand perhaps the context that she's been
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Speaker 2: talking about, or if anything changes or shifts, possibly could
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Speaker 2: they put this on in a later date.
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Speaker 1: It was one of the first things. Yes, other people
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Speaker 1: are writing about it now, but Robes we were in
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Speaker 1: the middle of it and we were recording when this
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Speaker 1: news came down and we saw that ABC statement, and
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Speaker 1: it was one of the first things that jumped out. Yes,
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Speaker 1: so those words did not have to be placed in there,
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Speaker 1: but they gave themselves a possibility of still what Robes
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Speaker 1: making their money back on this show that they are
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Speaker 1: somebody's going to lose a lot of money on. Don't
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Speaker 1: know who's going to sue whom and how that's going
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Speaker 1: to work. But Robes to think that they make sure
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Speaker 1: what were the three words at this time, at this time,
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Speaker 1: those three words could save them tens of millions of
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Speaker 1: dollars if there.
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Speaker 2: There's any chance they want to keep that window cracked open.
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Speaker 1: Okay, before you move on to the next thing, let
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Speaker 1: me ask you on that point. She doesn't get charged
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Speaker 1: on this second incident, what difference does it make in
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Speaker 1: their decision to put.
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Speaker 2: It on because they would possibly say that this happened
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Speaker 2: three years ago.
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Speaker 3: She has served her time. Her probation, I guess is
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Speaker 3: up this summer.
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Speaker 2: A court decided she did not either violate that probation
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Speaker 2: or do anything wrong. And although it's toxic and messy,
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Speaker 2: this is something we already knew about and we've seen
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Speaker 2: her turn her life around.
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Speaker 3: Okay that I mean, that's me just guessing what they
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Speaker 3: could say.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that is Okay, that's tough to say.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I think there is a very small chance that
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Speaker 2: that's going to happen.
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Speaker 1: See, but now you're putting it out there. At least
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Speaker 1: we've talked about it before we came on here. Now
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Speaker 1: I am blown I just have to admit by I'm
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Speaker 1: blown away of how much Disney ABC are willing to
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Speaker 1: stand by someone who is a domestic abuser who has
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Speaker 1: been proven. Now you can people do their crime, You
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Speaker 1: do your time, and it's over. You can move forward.
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Speaker 1: And that is fine. That again, they are not supposed
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Speaker 1: to be you do your time, Broes. You shouldn't be
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Speaker 1: denied a life of whatever dignity and ability to make money.
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Speaker 1: It's just that this is the person we, as Disney,
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Speaker 1: a family company, choose to stand by and to defend
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Speaker 1: and to put on a pedestal someone who that behavior
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Speaker 1: came out of fine, but for a family company, or
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Speaker 1: to say, we're willing like all the people out there
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Speaker 1: who don't have that video and that history and that background,
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Speaker 1: and that the documented history of poor decisions in her
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Speaker 1: love life, who doesn't have a documented history now of
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Speaker 1: domestic violence that we actually saw they had other options
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Speaker 1: for them to triple quadruple down and still stand next
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Speaker 1: to her. Given I just I am money is it Robes?
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Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense?
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Speaker 3: Money and trying to save face.
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Speaker 2: If there's any chance for them to say, see, it
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Speaker 2: wasn't she wasn't that bad.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't as bad as you thought.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So now their reputation is they're banking it on
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Speaker 1: her reputation getting better. So that's what's gonna make Disney
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Speaker 1: look better is if everybody looks at her and thinks, oh, okay,
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Speaker 1: she turned her life around and we have better context. Now.
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Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying?
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Speaker 3: That's what that was the only thing I could think
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Speaker 3: of that.
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Speaker 2: There's yes, it's mostly money, obviously, but there is reputation
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Speaker 2: as well.
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Speaker 1: I robes. The part I'm blown away by is the
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Speaker 1: reputational part. They already know what their reputation is. Why, okay,
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Speaker 1: let's get past that they picked her. I'm going now,
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Speaker 1: with all this out, Why haven't they distanced themselves. Why
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Speaker 1: haven't they come out and said that is a boring
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Speaker 1: behavior your Why holy hell, they haven't said that? Oh
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Speaker 1: shit to me? I mean, wait a minute, we missed
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Speaker 1: it somewhere.
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Speaker 3: No, they haven't. They are leaving the window open for
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Speaker 3: them to error.
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Speaker 1: Have they not condemned what we saw in the video? No,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, do you have.
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Speaker 2: Their statement ENLiGHT the recent development.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, baby, No, no, I'm missing so we
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Speaker 1: gotta go look this that I'm missing something. There is
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Speaker 1: no way they have not come out and said domestic
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Speaker 1: violence is bad.
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Speaker 3: No, this is what they said.
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Speaker 1: Oh we miss something.
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Speaker 3: No, this is their only statement.
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Speaker 1: There's no way.
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Speaker 3: This is their only statement. This is their only statement.
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Speaker 3: Wait now I have a okay, right when I pulled
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Speaker 3: it up.
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Speaker 1: But you get what I'm saying here. No matter what,
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Speaker 1: no matter who you are, we all looked and saw
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Speaker 1: that even if you're a family member of hers, even
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Speaker 1: if you're the greatest supporter of hers, you could still
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Speaker 1: support her and say what we saw in that video
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Speaker 1: is awful. Nothing like that should ever ever happen again.
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Speaker 1: But to so, why then what's the calculation there?
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Speaker 3: Robes, it's there. They're giving themselves an.
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Speaker 1: Option to not even condemned domestic violence.
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Speaker 2: But they're giving themselves the option until they actually see
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Speaker 2: what the court decides. They are giving themselves an option.
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Speaker 2: So that's where they are, and they have not at
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Speaker 2: all condemned the video.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that is uh. And again I guess if you
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Speaker 1: all haven't noticed, as we're sitting here. That has come
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Speaker 1: not as news to me necessarily, but I'm just getting
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Speaker 1: that realization right now that I had not had before this,
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Speaker 1: that they have not done done. So, look, they are
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Speaker 1: leaving room rogues. We talk about tens of millions of dollars,
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Speaker 1: whatever it is that's possibly on the line. What is
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Speaker 1: it worth, what's the reputation worth? And time will pass?
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Speaker 1: Will it not row? If they survived all kinds of
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Speaker 1: scandals on this show, they will continue to do so.
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Speaker 2: In light of the newly released video just service today,
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Speaker 2: we have made the decision to not move forward with
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Speaker 2: the new season of The Bachelorette at this time, and
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Speaker 2: our focus is on supporting the family.
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Speaker 3: Period. That is the only thing that came out of Disney, ABC,
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Speaker 3: Hulu period.
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Speaker 1: They can do what they want.
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Speaker 3: That is done.
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm okay. They don't have to, they don't need
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Speaker 1: I don't understand that in the least bit. So they
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Speaker 1: have not condemned what we've been talking about this baby,
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Speaker 1: Why do we see violence when it's coming from a
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Speaker 1: woman towards a man so differently. It's almost bubblegum the
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Speaker 1: way it's been treated in these conversations. She went on Gma,
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Speaker 1: what do you want to say about this thing, this
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Speaker 1: domestic violence thing. Well, you know, it's been kind of heavy.
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Speaker 1: I just want to get through it. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: a big sciting time for me. What are we talking about, baby?
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Speaker 2: Well, if you're annoyed by that, you, I mean, look,
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Speaker 2: we've got some word about just confused what some of
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Speaker 2: the what some of the contestants are considering who were
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Speaker 2: going to be featured and showcased on this season twenty two.
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Speaker 2: But we also heard from the man rumored to be
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Speaker 2: the final Rose recipient and from several of the other
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Speaker 2: contenty Dougie.
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Speaker 3: Yes, Doug Mason, and he said this is what his
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Speaker 3: reaction was.
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Speaker 2: He actually made a video after the video was released
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Speaker 2: and said, I'm just sending out prayers to Taylor because
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Speaker 2: that was her moment and her moment was blocked. All
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Speaker 2: we can do right now is just be hopeful. I'm
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Speaker 2: headed off to run to watch the sunrise. I hope
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Speaker 2: you guys have a great day and let's stay positive
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Speaker 2: and show nothing but support for people in need.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you should. You should support the people in
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Speaker 1: your life that you love, that you know, even when
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Speaker 1: they're they've done wrong. And when they're having a hard time. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I can't disagree with that rooms, but he was the only.
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Speaker 2: One who gave a specific shout out of support to Taylor.
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Speaker 2: The rest of them, obviously the people in their lives
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Speaker 2: knew that they were on the show. They couldn't say
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Speaker 2: how they did or how far they got, so a
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Speaker 2: lot of the men were just online saying I'm doing okay,
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Speaker 2: hope to share more soon, thanks to everyone who's reached out.
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Speaker 2: Everyone's like, I appreciate everyone reaching out, grateful for the experience.
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Speaker 2: So they all kept things The other men who put
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Speaker 2: things on social media kept things very generic, very positive,
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Speaker 2: very hopeful.
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Speaker 3: Doug was the only.
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Speaker 2: One who specifically supported and defended in a way Taylor.
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Speaker 1: I get it, I get her friends and her family.
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Speaker 1: They should embrace her, with her arms around her and
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Speaker 1: help her. She I'm sure she's having a terrible time.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure she's feeling awful right now. And I just
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Speaker 1: I'm just confused. I'm just it's just, you know what
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Speaker 1: robes is just and I get it. It's okay. There
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Speaker 1: are different rules with different folks with different looks. But
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Speaker 1: if Rachel Lindsay had thrown three metal chairs at a
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Speaker 1: guy on film. Okay, that's just it. It's nothing you
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Speaker 1: can ever does. It's okay, they're different rules, but it's
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Speaker 1: it's happening, and she should be supported. I'm just saying
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Speaker 1: other people who who have difficulty and have had difficult
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Speaker 1: times don't get. What I am noticing now is Disney
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Speaker 1: putting their arms around someone who's domestic abuser. And it's
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Speaker 1: just it's because she looks the way she looks. They
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Speaker 1: would have put their arms around a man who had
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Speaker 1: been accused of anything remotely related to domestic violence. But
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Speaker 1: I just I need somebody to say I'm genuinely saying this.
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Speaker 1: I want somebody to say to me, TJ, it's different.
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Speaker 1: Let us explain why domestic violence is different for man
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Speaker 1: different for a woman. Okay, and tell me why because
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Speaker 1: of that difference, we as a society and we as
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Speaker 1: a company don't mind embracing, holding up, cherishing, helping supporting
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Speaker 1: a woman who has been accused of and even has
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Speaker 1: a guilty plea having to do with domestic violence. I'm
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Speaker 1: genuinely robes. I'm not outraged. I'm genuinely trying to understand
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Speaker 1: and this is a very difficult story for me to
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Speaker 1: get my head around. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, and they have obviously made the choices they've made
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Speaker 2: so far in their support and slightly distancing themselves but
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Speaker 2: leaving room open for the relationship to continue. But there
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Speaker 2: is more legal action that could be headed ABC, Disney,
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Speaker 2: even Warner Brothers way, because not all of the contestants
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Speaker 2: had nice things to say about their experience or at
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Speaker 2: least are happy and positive about the turn of events.
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Speaker 1: All right, we're continuing here on Amy and TG. I
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Speaker 1: can't get that image out of my head now, Rachel
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Speaker 1: Lindsay throwing a chair, right, Rachel, love you, But I
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Speaker 1: didn't need that image in my head, of course. Rachel
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Speaker 1: Lindsay was the first black bacheloreat Juri herself. My goodness,
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Speaker 1: I was twenty sixty. Oh, my goodness, that was such
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Speaker 1: a long time ago now, But what's next? World, We
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Speaker 1: knew this was probably going to get into the courts
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Speaker 1: fairly soon.
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Speaker 2: Nothing official yet, nothing official yet, and we don't have
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Speaker 2: the names. But look, TMZ has broken this story wide
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Speaker 2: open from the beginning. They're the ones who got their
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Speaker 2: hands on the video, released it and certainly have been
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Speaker 2: on top of the reporting. So one of their latest
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Speaker 2: reports now says that five of those male contestants who
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Speaker 2: were competing for a rose from Taylor are now considering
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Speaker 2: you who predicted it legal action against ABC and Warner
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Speaker 2: Brothers Discovery that's the company that produces the show, because
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Speaker 2: they say some of these.
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Speaker 3: Men quit their jobs, they put their lives on.
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Speaker 2: Hold in the anticipation and expectation that they would get
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Speaker 2: a big boost in visibility, in marketability, in basically an
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Speaker 2: ability to make money based on their social media profiles
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Speaker 2: by being on this show. They gave up other opportunities,
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Speaker 2: They gave up jobs, they gave up whatever livelihood to
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Speaker 2: be on the show with an expectation that the show
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Speaker 2: would air.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's on you, Pleia. If you came into this
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Speaker 1: thinking it was an opportunity for you to make money,
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Speaker 1: to gain clout or get more followers, you weren't there
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Speaker 1: for the right reason anyway. Some would say, well, TJ,
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Speaker 1: of course, that's the only reason people go on reality
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Speaker 1: shows now, But why is it? Robes is it? We
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Speaker 1: were caught up in it for so long because we
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Speaker 1: were at GMA and dealt with it for so long.
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Speaker 1: I thought we'd be jaded. But it's the opposite for
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Speaker 1: me right now, because of this, I am disappointed because
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Speaker 1: the show did kind of lend itself to fantasy, to love,
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Speaker 1: to possibility, to this adventure of finding love that was
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Speaker 1: kind of authentic, that everything about her casting flies in
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Speaker 1: the face of And now that you let me see
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Speaker 1: that last episode of season four of Secret Lives, we
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Speaker 1: were bamboozled.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, you and I do like watching
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Speaker 2: these relationship reality shows ninety Day Fiance, etc. But you're
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Speaker 2: actually looking at people and you may question the motives
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Speaker 2: of why people want to be with each other, but
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Speaker 2: this is a legitimate couple trying to get married. And
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Speaker 2: whether or not they're trying to get married to come
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Speaker 2: to the United States is something.
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Speaker 3: You get to figure out.
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Speaker 2: But at least you're watching an authentic situation unfold versus
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Speaker 2: a manufactured situation unravel, which is what I think now
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Speaker 2: they're looking to try and do in a lot of
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Speaker 2: these shows. Because even Rachel Lindsay, as you mentioned, yes
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Speaker 2: she ended up getting divorced recently, but she married, Yes, she.
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Speaker 3: Married her final rose guy, Like, this is something that
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Speaker 3: we saw, and we have seen plenty. There are babies
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Speaker 3: that have been born.
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Speaker 1: Yes, there are even our guy who they ended up
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Speaker 1: breaking up, But Matt and Rachel went on for quite
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Speaker 1: a while five years ago in that relationship, so it's legit.
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Speaker 1: But to your point about these guys, if they're upset
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Speaker 1: now they want to sue because hey, the show didn't air,
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Speaker 1: I think there might be things in there that they
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Speaker 1: don't have an argument there necessarily, come on, you did
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Speaker 1: you but nobody told you to quit your job?
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Speaker 2: Correct, And I don't think that's going to be an
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Speaker 2: argument that could potentially hold up. But the other one
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Speaker 2: perhaps could. The other argument is and part of the
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Speaker 2: reason why many legal experts believe some of these men
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Speaker 2: could sue because they can claim that ABC and Warner
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Speaker 2: Brothers put them in an unsafe work environment, aka in
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Speaker 2: intimate settings alone with Paul, the fantasy suite, vacations, bringing
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Speaker 2: her home to your parents, you know, all of that stuff.
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Speaker 1: So when I read the word intimate, it hit differently.
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Speaker 2: Yes, a lot of times I don't know what happened
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Speaker 2: in this season, but a lot of times the contestant,
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Speaker 2: whoever the bachelor or bachelorette is, has sex with these
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Speaker 2: men and women. Yes, So now you're assuming you're operating
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Speaker 2: under the I think reasonable belief that a company like
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Speaker 2: Disney has vetted the person who you are with.
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Speaker 1: You put it in their hands. I'm sure you sign
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Speaker 1: all kinds of shuff they sign the way and waiver
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Speaker 1: for this and whatever it may be. But even short
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Speaker 1: of robes sex, when you say intimate, we are in
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Speaker 1: private settings, I actually have this woman in my home
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Speaker 1: with my mother, with my little niece, with who knows
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Speaker 1: what it may be. You all allowed me to bring
19:28
Speaker 1: this firecracker into my safe setting. That's not fair to them.
19:34
Speaker 1: That might be a legitimate argument robes. And also it
19:39
Speaker 1: should be noted Rose there's no way, and I think
19:42
Speaker 1: it has to be the case. These guys, it's not
19:45
Speaker 1: like they found out, Oh Taylor Frankie Paul is going
19:47
Speaker 1: to be the new bats threat, let me go sign up.
19:50
Speaker 1: These guys didn't have a say in who they were handed.
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Speaker 2: No, No, the process that wouldn't work if that were
19:55
Speaker 2: the case, because then you could see men try to
19:57
Speaker 2: manipulate the situation and figure out whether or not they
20:01
Speaker 2: wanted to do it based on who the contestant's going
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Speaker 2: to be.
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Speaker 3: That's not how it works.
20:05
Speaker 2: So yeah, they were they walked into it blind understanding
20:09
Speaker 2: that the show is what it is, but also expecting
20:12
Speaker 2: that the show was going to hold true to what
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Speaker 2: it's bent, which is a show that's trying to find
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Speaker 2: a relationship that lasts marriage material.
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Speaker 1: And you put me in a situation, in an environment
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Speaker 1: alone with a woman who was capable of this without
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Speaker 1: getting my okay.
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Speaker 2: Who also, as you absolutely knew because Hulu the Crossover.
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Speaker 3: Had slept with her ex the night before she came
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Speaker 3: on the show.
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Speaker 1: Where do you only ask you about that? Yeah, it
20:47
Speaker 1: might staying, it might suck.
20:48
Speaker 2: Does it matter, Yes, because to me, that says you're
20:52
Speaker 2: not serious about the process. And now I've now put
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Speaker 2: myself in a situation where I'm supposed to believe that
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Speaker 2: this person is ready for love with another.
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Speaker 1: As a viewer, as a contestant, As.
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Speaker 3: A contestant and a viewer, I think both. I think both.
21:05
Speaker 3: It feels really really crappy.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's I don't know, in the real world, the
21:10
Speaker 1: day before your first date with a new guy that
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Speaker 1: you eventually have a relationship with, if the day before
21:17
Speaker 1: that date you had hooked up with your ex one
21:20
Speaker 1: last time, we don't have any right to it might sting,
21:24
Speaker 1: It might suck. But really, when you put in the
21:28
Speaker 1: real world, I mean, what right do I have to
21:30
Speaker 1: say what you did before we actually met or connected
21:33
Speaker 1: or started dating.
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Speaker 2: Fine, but you didn't go like It's a little different
21:35
Speaker 2: when you're going into a show with the intention of
21:38
Speaker 2: finding love and you're still She's saying you're in love
21:42
Speaker 2: with your ex.
21:43
Speaker 1: She's trying to get it out of her system, get
21:45
Speaker 1: it out of the way. But that was hard to watch.
21:48
Speaker 1: If you will haven't seen I'm promoting a Disney show now,
21:50
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen the last episode of season four
21:54
Speaker 1: of Secret Lives and Mormon Wives, the day leading up
21:59
Speaker 1: to her leaving to go to shoot the Bachelorette, and
22:02
Speaker 1: then after she gets there, opes that phone call between
22:06
Speaker 1: the two of them, right before she gets out in
22:09
Speaker 1: front of ABC cameras to take the Bachelorette. You will go, wow,
22:14
Speaker 1: they really pulled one over on us.
22:16
Speaker 2: Yes, and if yeah, if you want full perspective about
22:18
Speaker 2: what's going on, watch that episode from start to finish.
22:21
Speaker 3: You will think.
22:23
Speaker 2: I guarantee you you will have a very formed opinion
22:26
Speaker 2: about Taylor, about Hulu, about Disney, ABC. You will have
22:31
Speaker 2: a very formed and informed opinion. Maybe in a way
22:34
Speaker 2: you don't now if you haven't seen that last episode.
22:37
Speaker 3: By the way, her Mormon Wives co stars.
22:40
Speaker 2: Two of them have spoken out. I wanted to get
22:42
Speaker 2: out because that was something new as well. Layla Taylor,
22:45
Speaker 2: We've actually met her and spoken with her. She's been
22:48
Speaker 2: open about abuse in her first marriage on this show,
22:50
Speaker 2: so she put up on Instagram when all of this
22:53
Speaker 2: came out and the Bachelorette was canceled, she said, my
22:56
Speaker 2: personal history as a survivor makes it impossible for me
22:59
Speaker 2: to stay silent. I stand firmly against domestic violence in
23:03
Speaker 2: any form. I am keeping her children in my thoughts,
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Speaker 2: hoping for their safety above all else.
23:08
Speaker 3: She went much further than Disney did.
23:10
Speaker 1: Shit hard. That was as far it was as was needed.
23:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, as a company, it was her friend.
23:16
Speaker 1: As a company, we stand against domestic violence.
23:20
Speaker 3: Of why would they not have put that disclaimer?
23:22
Speaker 2: Every single article, by the way, that you see written
23:25
Speaker 2: has a disclaimer about domestic violence. The only thing I've
23:29
Speaker 2: seen on this story that doesn't is the statement from
23:32
Speaker 2: ABC News.
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Speaker 1: Sweetheart, that was a choice. Then tell me why it mattered.
23:37
Speaker 1: Help me understand why a company like that, why it mattered.
23:41
Speaker 1: What they didn't say now, in their estimation, it was
23:44
Speaker 1: smarter to not put it in there. Why is what
23:46
Speaker 1: I'm asking.
23:46
Speaker 3: Is then they'd have to acknowledge that they left up royally.
23:50
Speaker 1: But they can just acknowledge without saying anything domestic violence.
23:54
Speaker 1: We stand against domestic violence in any but if you
23:56
Speaker 1: say that, then why did you hire it?
23:58
Speaker 3: Correct?
23:58
Speaker 1: I don't.
23:59
Speaker 2: It's really tough and Miranda Miranda Hope also put this
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Speaker 2: on her Instagram. She was in the Swinging scandal and
24:06
Speaker 2: admitted it with Taylor. She said, I've honestly been a
24:10
Speaker 2: little at a loss for words trying to process this all.
24:13
Speaker 3: Everything has been really heavy to see everyone likes that
24:16
Speaker 3: word heavy.
24:17
Speaker 2: Domestic violence and abuse of any kind is something I
24:21
Speaker 2: take very seriously as a human and especially a mother.
24:24
Speaker 2: I cannot support that kind of behavior. My heart is
24:27
Speaker 2: with the children, and I hope they're safe, supported and
24:30
Speaker 2: surrounded by love.
24:31
Speaker 3: So her two co stars.
24:32
Speaker 2: Who were friends with her, came out with much stronger language.
24:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, baby, you just blew my mind. Yeah, Disney ABC
24:42
Speaker 1: cannot publicly take a stand against domestic violence while also
24:49
Speaker 1: supporting her publicly. Oh my god.
24:54
Speaker 3: It's all like defending on you.
24:58
Speaker 1: Oh why Yeah, sweetheart, It's not a hard thing to say.
25:02
Speaker 1: And everybody's on the same page that domestic violence is bad,
25:06
Speaker 1: aren't we.
25:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we can all collectively say that out.
25:09
Speaker 1: They refused to say they made a.
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Speaker 3: Choice, because it's not just what they said, it's what
25:14
Speaker 3: they didn't say.
25:15
Speaker 2: You know, I think it is all now just landing
25:18
Speaker 2: how deliberate that was and how actually scary.
25:22
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say something stupid right now. It's gonna be stupid.
25:24
Speaker 1: Just let me say it. Is there any chance it
25:26
Speaker 1: was an oversight? Do we need to leave room for
25:29
Speaker 1: They put the statement out and we didn't go through
25:32
Speaker 1: it that deeply or take it that seriously, And it
25:34
Speaker 1: was just thrown out and they didn't think about it
25:38
Speaker 1: as much as we are saying they gave it thought.
25:40
Speaker 3: To stand out higher pr team. I don't believe it.
25:43
Speaker 1: Okay, Disney will not stand up against domestic violence right now.
25:49
Speaker 3: They won't publicly state it.
25:51
Speaker 1: No, or they haven't, because if you do that, you
25:53
Speaker 1: could never let the show air. Correct Jesus Christ, I
25:57
Speaker 1: am naives elle. I am naive as hell. So we
26:01
Speaker 1: did not start this episode with me having that light
26:03
Speaker 1: bulb moment.
26:05
Speaker 3: We watched it all happen. I heard it all happen
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Speaker 3: on the microphone.
26:09
Speaker 2: Yes, you're like, wait a minute, wait, wait a minute,
26:11
Speaker 2: wait a minute, this is landing.
26:12
Speaker 1: Now to what you're saying, Oh my god.
26:14
Speaker 2: And then when you hear what her co stars had
26:16
Speaker 2: to say, it actually kind of brings it home even more.
26:19
Speaker 1: Right, I don't know what the next thing is. What
26:23
Speaker 1: happening on Monday? Something else?
26:25
Speaker 3: Well, no, she doesn't have a she doesn't have a
26:26
Speaker 3: hearing until April seventh.
26:28
Speaker 1: Okay, oh my word. All right, well, folks, what's in place?
26:32
Speaker 1: Where they airing? In place?
26:33
Speaker 2: On the American Idol rerun runs on Sunday this Sunday.
26:37
Speaker 2: Don't know what happens next Sunday, but I hear they
26:39
Speaker 2: might need some content.
26:40
Speaker 1: But I hear they have a show just sitting waiting
26:44
Speaker 1: to run as soon as she gets clear of this
26:46
Speaker 1: latest domestic bio investigation fresh crossed. All right, the folks,
26:50
Speaker 1: we appreciate you. I am sorry y'all had to go
26:53
Speaker 1: along this journey with me of oh wow, that so
26:57
Speaker 1: we should have led with that. Why don't you tell
26:58
Speaker 1: me ahead of time? Oh my god. They did not
27:04
Speaker 1: simply say we're against domestic violence in any form and
27:11
Speaker 1: with that, Folks, we appreciate you spending some time with us.
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Speaker 1: I am a dumbfounded TJ. Holmes alongside my dear Emmy
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