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Patriots Unfiltered 6/15: Our Biggest Takeaways from Minicamp and Spring OTAs, Latest DeAndre Hopkins Rumors · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 3: People were taking it as well. That's a sign of
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  Speaker 3: the dysfunction or whatever, and you're.
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  Speaker 4: Taking it too far.
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  Speaker 2: I heard those exact words. Then that's that's taking one
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  Speaker 2: of your shows, taking too far.
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  Speaker 3: Well, none of my shows are on in the morning,
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  Speaker 3: so I.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, mack round with Bill O'Brien right now, as Mac does,
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  Speaker 2: is scratching back ground too, Mac mac Jones, Oh, Mac Brown.
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  Speaker 2: I always used to tell my kid, when you're at
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  Speaker 2: those showcase tournaments, always worth something colorful.
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  Speaker 4: So it's a great scouts getting the next level recruiting
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  Speaker 4: called that peacocking, you know, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Show up.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We used to make fun of kids in high school,
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  Speaker 3: like a kid would show up with his name on
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  Speaker 3: his back loser, loser. I think it happened on the
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  Speaker 3: play that Kyle Dugger picked off the pass from Matt.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, Kyle, you know what we're doing, you know, like, yeah, what.
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  Speaker 4: Are we doing?
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  Speaker 5: Kyle?
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  Speaker 4: Kyle? Come on?
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  Speaker 6: Half half the vond Diggs not at mandatory Mini camp.
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  Speaker 2: Function very disappointed as usual with how the local media
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  Speaker 2: is covering this team.
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  Speaker 3: Then when they do watch they say things like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: some of the interceptions may have been intentional.
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  Speaker 4: So so you sort of said, stick to attendance. True story,
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  Speaker 4: true story.
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  Speaker 1: This is Patriots Unfiltered, fueled by donkeys, evil laugh.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered, coming in hot here.
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  Speaker 2: Uh it is Thursday here at Jillette Stadium. Mini camp
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  Speaker 2: is over, paintball is over, OTAs are over. We are
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  Speaker 2: now officially in the dog days of the NFL, waiting
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  Speaker 2: for training camp to start. But but supposedly, reportedly, allegedly,
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  Speaker 2: there's a certain person still visiting here.
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  Speaker 4: In the building.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have any evidence of that. I have not
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  Speaker 2: seen anybody.
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  Speaker 4: Or but they told Evan to get out of the
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  Speaker 4: bushes this morning, what are you doing? And they did. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I had a dream a little the reason why he
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  Speaker 6: didn't sign here.
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  Speaker 4: So you had a dream that you were the reason
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  Speaker 4: he didn't sign Yep, he woke up in a.
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  Speaker 2: Sweat essay, So who knows, Maybe some news will come
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  Speaker 2: out the next day or so, but you know.
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  Speaker 4: Or he might wait till training care Wait, do you think,
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  Speaker 4: do you think that we will get any kind of news.
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  Speaker 2: Or one way or the other.
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  Speaker 3: You mean or well, I mean, obviously if he signs,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to find that out.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think, I think, I know, I think if
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  Speaker 2: I'm his agent, I just want to wait a little
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  Speaker 2: bit longer to see if anyone comes in.
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  Speaker 3: That makes sense, And I know Ian Rappaport sort of
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  Speaker 3: opined that yesterday. I think that all made sense. But
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  Speaker 3: do you think if obviously, if he signs, we're going
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  Speaker 3: to find out that he signed, someone's gonna not someone's
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  Speaker 3: gonna report that. But if he doesn't sign, do you
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  Speaker 3: think we'll get any of updates saying it's a great visit,
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  Speaker 3: great like Tennessee.
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  Speaker 4: Great fits two days Tennessee for two days, great visit.
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  Speaker 4: Everything went great, Everything is awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't this great?
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  Speaker 4: We'll see, but you're going to continue to talk. Didn't
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  Speaker 4: walk in and just drop the bag and say we
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  Speaker 4: need you to come now.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't evolve into an argument, and so everything was great,
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  Speaker 2: you know, right, he.
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  Speaker 4: Just came to like Rea hash old wounds with Bill O'Brien.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not here for a visit. I just got to
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  Speaker 4: talk to you about I.
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  Speaker 3: Just had one other thing to say to you.
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  Speaker 6: So, but like, if you're the Patriots, you're not waiting.
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  Speaker 6: Here's what you want here. We want you here, Like
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  Speaker 6: what are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: You know? It's funny. As I'm driving in today, I'm
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  Speaker 2: thinking of what I'm telling d Hop if I'm Matt
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  Speaker 2: grow or whoever.
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  Speaker 4: He's dreaming about it.
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  Speaker 2: We really want you here, and we want you here
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  Speaker 2: as soon as possible so we can get you the
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  Speaker 2: playbooks and blug get you, you know, so that when
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  Speaker 2: training camps comes, you're ready to go, because we obviously
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  Speaker 2: we look at you as an integral part of our program,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And I come on heavy and I hit
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  Speaker 2: them with a you know, I don't short change the
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  Speaker 2: first offer. I come in with an Odell Beckham like
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  Speaker 2: offer right off the bat, and let's go, let's go.
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  Speaker 2: Let's not.
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  Speaker 4: I just want to reprise.
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  Speaker 3: You want to give him fifteen million?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's some mixed reports about this, but there are
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  Speaker 6: some reports out there that they have already talked at
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  Speaker 6: least ballpark figures on a contract. Otherwise you wouldn't be
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  Speaker 6: here right now. I think is sort of the indication.
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  Speaker 6: So they they've shown the Patriots have shown some significant
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  Speaker 6: interest in him, not just on oh why don't you
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  Speaker 6: come in, We'll see what it's like, but legitimate interest
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  Speaker 6: in terms of contract as well. So I think there
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  Speaker 6: is a little bit of a push here.
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  Speaker 4: I just wonder what gets it done for Hawkins, because
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  Speaker 4: are you telling me that come the second week of
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  Speaker 4: August the Patriots might not up their offer. When they
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  Speaker 4: get here and they see what they got and they
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  Speaker 4: really like, like I see more of a chance of that,
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  Speaker 4: then he's gonna come in there. You know what, We're good.
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  Speaker 4: Thornton's popping were Juju's healthy, Like, we're good.
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  Speaker 2: I think if everything's even as between us and the Titans,
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  Speaker 2: I think he comes here. But my fear is that
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  Speaker 2: a contender, a true contender right now, like Kansas City
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  Speaker 2: come in and swoop in and just take them away.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, it seems like Diggs is back on the
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  Speaker 4: track with everything, But that's you know, another one. If
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  Speaker 4: that blew up into something else, maybe they get into it.
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  Speaker 4: That was weird, that whole story, and we won't have
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  Speaker 4: to go back into our.
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  Speaker 3: Bills weekly like he was there.
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  Speaker 4: That was weird.
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  Speaker 3: Like I think he took exception to the fact that
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  Speaker 3: people said that he sort of skipped OTAs when he
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  Speaker 3: was there. He just didn't practice. But whatever, It's not
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  Speaker 3: a great situation. I don't feel if I'm a Bills fan,
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  Speaker 3: I don't feel really all that much better about it.
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  Speaker 4: The next day that he prays better, but not that
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  Speaker 4: much better. Howard, thing's gonna go when it goes back
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  Speaker 4: in the season they lose a game issues.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody wrote in criticizing me for like wishing ill on
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  Speaker 2: an opponent rather than wanting us to get better. Why
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  Speaker 2: can't do both?
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  Speaker 4: That was the That was the callers, everybody that was
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  Speaker 4: writing in and telling you about now the Patriots are
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  Speaker 4: going to surprise everybody because Buffalo is going to fall apart.
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  Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers can't play, and two was going to get
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  Speaker 4: it out.
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  Speaker 2: But this, this person specifically said they were disappointed in me. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: I will hill on my opponents and I hope we
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  Speaker 2: get better. Why can't Why can't both? I'm not hoping
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  Speaker 2: just because they falter that will, you know? Get up there?
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  Speaker 2: I want both. I want us to be good and
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  Speaker 2: I want everybody to suck.
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  Speaker 3: See, I want my team to be better than everybody else.
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  Speaker 3: I want everybody to be great, but but I want
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  Speaker 3: my team to be just that much greater.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, I don't care. You know, this is something It's
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  Speaker 2: the whole debate I have with Andy. It's like when
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  Speaker 2: I watched the Patriots game, I want to blow out
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  Speaker 2: every time. When I watch you all the other games,
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  Speaker 2: I want entertainment in a close game and overtime, but
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  Speaker 2: I want to blow out every opponent we play. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not looking for, you know, a heart attack when the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots play.
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  Speaker 3: And I'd be fine. I mean, I'd rather have a
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  Speaker 3: close game, but I'd be fine with blowing every opponent
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  Speaker 3: out if they were at full strength.
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  Speaker 2: I have.
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  Speaker 3: I have no interest in the fifty six to twelve
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  Speaker 3: games over the Jets when like Bryce Petty's playing.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, if we blow out every opponent some of those games,
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  Speaker 2: the other team is going to be at full strength,
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  Speaker 2: you know. So like, I don't care. I want to
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  Speaker 2: freaking win, and I want to win big, and I
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  Speaker 2: want to dominate pillage and I wanted you know, I you.
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  Speaker 3: Know this guy, like, wasn't that like when you're beaten?
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  Speaker 3: Like the Chargers in Week two, Chargers were like the
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  Speaker 3: best team in football the year before like that. To me,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that means a lot more to me than
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  Speaker 3: beating up on the Jags. You know, you know, you know.
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  Speaker 2: It means a lot to me. Is the ring at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the season.
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  Speaker 3: I know they didn't get the ring. Whatever. I still
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  Speaker 3: enjoyed that season, sure, you know, and I know, like
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  Speaker 3: another reference to the Scott Pioli podcast that Matt and
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  Speaker 3: I did for Pats from the Past, he said, it
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  Speaker 3: was a slug like it was a really difficult season
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  Speaker 3: to go through because of the mounting pressure. They felt
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  Speaker 3: like they really didn't enjoy a lot of the success
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  Speaker 3: the way they should have because it just kept mounting
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  Speaker 3: and mounting. They didn't they didn't get the pleasure out
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  Speaker 3: of that season. I did. I mean I got I
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  Speaker 3: I mean beating beating some of the teams that they
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  Speaker 3: played that year. Yeah, they had some bad teams that
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  Speaker 3: they beat up on too, like they always had in
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  Speaker 3: the AFC East. But they they took some really good
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  Speaker 3: teams and took them.
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  Speaker 2: To I loved it. I mean it was on this show.
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  Speaker 2: We're doing the show and we're looking at ESPN, and
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden we realized that part of their
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  Speaker 2: little tabs in the bottom. The Patriots had their own
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  Speaker 2: tab and I'm like, f yes, I don't care what
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  Speaker 2: anyone thinks about that. I'm all for it. I'm all
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  Speaker 2: for it.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was. That was a crazy season. I thought,
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  Speaker 4: it's just an interesting for me. I talked to you know,
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  Speaker 4: Bruski a couple of weeks ago for the for the project.
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  Speaker 4: He was, you know, I think some people myself included,
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  Speaker 4: to say, oh, to the seven, they could have they
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  Speaker 4: should have lost one. If they had lost one, it
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  Speaker 4: would have reset. It was like nope, He's like, you
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  Speaker 4: play every game to win. We didn't need a loss.
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  Speaker 4: You know, They're so interesting. But that season is Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that was that was nuts. I mean for multiple reasons.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, So we're coming off mini camp. Everything's all
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  Speaker 2: the Hayes in the barn in terms of the off season.
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  Speaker 2: You know, what do we think? Do we? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I I find hope. I find hope on both sides
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  Speaker 2: of the ball here. I think our defense, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying right now, one of my preseason predictions top
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  Speaker 2: five defense in the NFL by whatever you know, the
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  Speaker 2: standard KPI s are top five defense in I have
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  Speaker 2: hoped that this offense is gonna look like an NFL
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  Speaker 2: offense and if they signed D hop that hope will
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  Speaker 2: turn into expectations.
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  Speaker 3: Asking for the question, what was the standard?
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  Speaker 2: What's KP? Yeah, Key Performance indexes technical? Do you know
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  Speaker 2: what that is?
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  Speaker 6: No, that's a that's a boss term.
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  Speaker 2: I'll bracket key performance index you know whatever they are.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, I'll jump in on the defense because I jump
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  Speaker 4: in on the I feel good. I feel good, I
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  Speaker 4: feel you know.
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  Speaker 6: Come on, come on, I'm not letting you off the
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  Speaker 6: hook right now.
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  Speaker 4: We'll say that later.
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  Speaker 3: Starting on the defense. Leave this and that's not fair.
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  Speaker 4: Then did you want to say something? No, I don't
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  Speaker 4: want to say something. I want to find out. I'll
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  Speaker 4: start on the offense. I just I got the he
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  Speaker 4: B g b's watching the offense practice, and I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I think a lot of it might be due to
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  Speaker 4: Kendrick Bourne and DeVante Parker were out there and those
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  Speaker 4: are the two key guys, and and we know what
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  Speaker 4: they have. You know, I said it on the shows.
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  Speaker 4: It kind of bugged me with Kendrick Bourne being like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I admit I didn't have a bad years, like everybody
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  Speaker 4: had a bad year last year. What does he do
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  Speaker 4: the next day pass off his hands grabbed by Miles Bryant.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: So, I know the a some people out there saying
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  Speaker 4: that the offense kind of looked like twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 4: and I don't want to quite go that far, but
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  Speaker 4: I just I gotta be honest with what they had
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  Speaker 4: with j justs Kasiki and just Bill O'Brien. Do they
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  Speaker 4: maybe be, like, to your point, a functional NFL offense, Yeah, maybe,
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  Speaker 4: but not a lot move might needle with those practices.
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  Speaker 4: And I know it's OTA's and you know, grain to
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  Speaker 4: salt all that kind of stuff, but you know it's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of the same pieces, and throw in some
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  Speaker 4: offensive line questions. How about some offensive tackle questions to
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  Speaker 4: go with those questions at receivers. So I think they
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  Speaker 4: desperately need Taekwon Thornton and Juju Smith Schuster back. I
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  Speaker 4: think we need Taekwon Thornton to be a player. He
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  Speaker 4: can't just kind of be an okay guy like he
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  Speaker 4: needs to be able to play and Thornton had and sorry,
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  Speaker 4: and Smith Schuster has to be everything that Jacobe Myers was.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, the absence of those guys, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: gonna miss Nelson aguilor but Nelson Aguiler is a guy
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  Speaker 4: and training in OTAs that would make a couple downfield
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  Speaker 4: catches that at least for a minute, made you fool think,
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  Speaker 4: oh hey maybe we have something here. But Kasiki certainly
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  Speaker 4: some encouragement there. But Devonte Parker same kind of story.
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  Speaker 4: Contested catches, that's what it is. We know what he is,
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  Speaker 4: and bourne Is continues to be kind of what he was.
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  Speaker 4: Talks a lot, doesn't really produce on the field, has
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  Speaker 4: some inconsistency, So I go, I feel a little bit
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  Speaker 4: not so great about the offense at this point. I
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  Speaker 4: need to see some other guys back out there, and
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  Speaker 4: I think that they should. They should Fred put the
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  Speaker 4: bag on the table for DeAndre Hopkins because I just
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  Speaker 4: I don't I really don't know with putting this much
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  Speaker 4: on Thornton, it's miss Smith Schuster that they're ready to
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  Speaker 4: be those guys that can make a difference.
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  Speaker 6: In my mind, Yeah, I think the whole off season
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  Speaker 6: program basically just confirmed everything that I thought, which I
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  Speaker 6: guess in some ways is a positive because the offense
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  Speaker 6: to me does look functional. There is a road map
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  Speaker 6: of what I can see schematically where they're headed under
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  Speaker 6: Bill O'Brien that I like, and I think that they're
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  Speaker 6: coming together in terms of just the overall execution and
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  Speaker 6: functionality of the offense. But at the same time, that
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  Speaker 6: high end talent, that ceiling is still a big time
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  Speaker 6: question mark. Like Okay, so you're you're coaching is a floor, right,
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  Speaker 6: Like you know you're gonna be competent, but how are
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  Speaker 6: you going to get into the point where when you
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  Speaker 6: go and play Dallas and it's thirty five twenty eight?
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  Speaker 6: Can you get to thirty five points? Can you outscore
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  Speaker 6: somebody every once in a while? Like where is that
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  Speaker 6: coming from? And right now it's the known commodities or
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  Speaker 6: our Juju Gazsicky Henry, Like, we know what those guys are,
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  Speaker 6: so they're not gonna come in and blow you away.
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  Speaker 4: Juju.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think is going to be the fourteen hundred
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  Speaker 6: yard guy he was in nineteen for the Steelers, for example,
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  Speaker 6: He's gonna be eight hundred, nine hundred yards. You know,
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  Speaker 6: eighty five catches good but not not spectacular. So who's
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  Speaker 6: going to be spectacular in this group? And it really
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  Speaker 6: comes down to Taekwon, which is putting a ton on
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  Speaker 6: him or Mac, Mac elevating the rest of it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. It all comes down to Mac,
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  Speaker 2: because any of those guys aren't spectacular unless Mac is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, bottom line good and hopefully better than good.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's got to help them become spectacular. And
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  Speaker 2: if he's not playing well, it all falls apart. Ye,
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  Speaker 2: it all falls apart.
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  Speaker 3: I would agree, and I would agree with a lot
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  Speaker 3: of the comments that both of the boys just said.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not as concerned yet. I'm not saying that
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  Speaker 3: I am, you know, and I think what Mike is
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  Speaker 3: sort of alluding to, and he's way more diplomatic than
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  Speaker 3: I am. So the reaction in the last couple of
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  Speaker 3: days to the performance of the offense and Mac specifically
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  Speaker 3: to me, I'm often left looking around at Mike and
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  Speaker 3: Evans saying, did we watch the same stuff now? I
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  Speaker 3: don't think there was anything wrong with Mac. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think he had any bad days, nothing, nothing at all
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  Speaker 3: like training camp last year. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't see anything that.
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  Speaker 4: Would be like.
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  Speaker 3: He really looks refreshed. I mean, he's he's slinging it all.
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  Speaker 2: Over the yard.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think they're working through some stuff. I like
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  Speaker 3: the way Evan talked about you can understand when you're
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  Speaker 3: watching them what they're doing. There's a plan. I think
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  Speaker 3: you can see what they clearly want to incorporate. The
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  Speaker 3: two tight ends. Kausiki I think is going to be
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  Speaker 3: a big part of the offense in my opinion. So far,
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  Speaker 3: what I've seen major upgrade. Now I would have sat
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: that two years ago about Jonah Smith too. I thought
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: he was going to be a big part of that offense.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: Never materialized. I think Kasiki looks better than that looked
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: two years ago on the practice field. So there's some
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: things that I think are encouraging. And the reason why
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: maybe I'm not as down on it, Mike as you are.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: And this kind of strange role reverse in highly and
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: is what you started off with with born In Parker.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: I think they'll be two parts of the offense. But
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: I also think Thornton and Smith Schuster will be big
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: parts of the offense too, and we didn't really get
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: to see much of those. I'm concerned about that, fair,
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: very fair. I'm concerned about Smith Schuster in particular because
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: by all accounts, there's nothing new that's happened. He had
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: a knee injury that that bothered him down the stretch.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: He had to be managed, reaggravated, I believe in the
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: AFC Championship Game, and then was sort of in and
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: out in the Super Bowl. And now what are we five,
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: six six months later and he can't get on the
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: field for a practice. Now that could be as simple
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: as it's the spring, it's mini camp. Why, you know,
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: why do we have to have him out there?
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: It's a guy who talked about six weeks ago about
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: how difficult this offense was to learn. I think he
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: would stand to improve by that. Yes, so I am.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: I do have my concerns. I mean, I'm just not
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: as I'm not worried about the whole thing yet, because
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: I do see a couple. Maybe it's my background with
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Billy Oh and how much I really like him, I
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: have faith in him, and I see it. I see
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: I've seen a difference. Like I said earlier, the spring
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: practices last year weren't a disaster, but I watched what
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: they were doing with the downhill stuff, the downfield stuff,
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: and I didn't think it was sustainable. What I saw this,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: you know, during these camps when the offense was was
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: playing reasonably well. I do think is sustained.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, Monday was better than Tuesday, there's no doubt. Yeah,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: you know, but listen, I thought Mac looked look good.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: They were both rough though in both days of Mini Camp.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Now I didn't think that the other three days that
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: we watched I didn't think were rough. But it looked
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: like they did more defensively in Mini camp than they
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: did in the OTAs in terms of pressure and stuff
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: And that stuff to me, like, you know, I'm just
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: a little torn on it. I mean, maybe you can
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: speak to it, but you're throwing the kitchen sink at
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: people in Mini camp like yeah, like.
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: I didn't love it.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, I get it.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: But it's also like I think everybody's trying to learn
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: right now, and you know, you're already jumping into like
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: you're in week six and you're trying to, you know,
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: fake out Peyton Manning Like, I don't know, I just
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm not I guess I'm having trouble
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: verbalizing why that kind of bugs me a little bit.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: It just it feels like it gives somewhat of a
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: false impression of the defense because they're like they're scheming
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: things up, and what do we always hear in like
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: train camp and stuff with like nobody's scheming. They're just
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: playing straightforward stuff. We're all just trying to learn. So, yeah,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: the defense looks good right now, but I mean they're
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: in the lab right now in mini camps, so I
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: don't know. It's just that it rust me a little
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: bit the wrong way, and I just wonder if and
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: I believe me, I'm high on the defense. I think
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: they've got some great pieces.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: And I got to tell you, your negativity is refreshing.
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: No, I actually thought it. So Bill was asked about it.
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: I think Phil Perry asked him about that very thing.
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: It seems like you guys are are dialing it up
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: pretty good defensively, and how does that how do you
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: do that behind the scenes, Like what's the communication like?
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: And he said, yeah, that we sit down and we
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: don't throw things at the offense and vice versa. That
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: we haven't talked about. So if they throw blitz at it,
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: we've already talked about how we're gonna block it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: He didn't deny it. He didn't deny that they are
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: throwing dialing.
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: No, he didn't deny it, but he said that they
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: they work hand in hand. Like Bill O'Brien sits down
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: with Steve Belichick and Gerrod Mayo and Bill and they say, Okay,
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: what are we going to work on today? And they're
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: not gonna throw a blitz at the offense that they
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: haven't discussed how are we going to block this?
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: And so it's a test, clearly, But I'm with you
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: a little bit, Deuce that it's kind of like goes
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: back to last preseason when Wink Martin Dill and the
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: Giants was like throwing all these exotic looks at the
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: Patriots in the first preseason game and Bill got snippy
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: about it, and it's like, I don't think it's quite
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: oh we're trying to win practice, Like, I don't think
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: it's quite that territory. But it's interesting that they were
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: really they were dialing it up and seeing how the
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: offense handled it, and it was a test well.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: And I think too, like when you know, I think
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: when you talk about dialing it up on defense, it's
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: it's a it's a good way to kind of cover
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: up weaknesses and disguise things that maybe you want to
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: disguise and you know. So I just I just wonder
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: if maybe they're playing a little bit more straightforward, if guys,
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: you're gonna get a little better sense of how guys
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: are just straight up like it's not you know, hey,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: oh we got them on this this one, we fooled everybody, Like,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know, But I also wonder is it connected
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: to the offense? Are they, you know, really trying to
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: make it as hard as possible for Mac in the offense.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: But I mean, just to say it, I just I
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: just not impressed with Mac. I just think he's the
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: same player he's been.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, what if he said, you know, go ahead,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: But I agree with the way Evan said it.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they probably did do that intentionally, but
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: not because the offense hasn't gone over it yet. I
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: want to see how the offense was going to handle it,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: and overall, the offense like part of this equation. We
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: talked a lot about this Monday and Tuesday. The offensive
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: line is, you know, you have two guys that you
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: feel probably rock solid about in David Andrews and Michael
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: and you. I don't really know exactly what col Strange
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: is yet, but I feel Okay about that. The two
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: tackles are enormous question marks, huge, right, and bigger now
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: than they were last week. Yeah, so you have Calvin
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Anderson spent most, if not all, of the quote unquote
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: first team reps when we will watch at left tackle.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: That's been a problem like that they've had. And it's
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: hard with no pads on. Excuse me, yeah, it's hard
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: with no pads on. But it looked like pressure was
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: an issue, not just blitzing pressure, but blitzing you know,
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: pressure off the edge.
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: You just get into a cat a situation where now
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: Bill O'Brien is probably gonna have to scheme around having
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: subpar tackles. So now that's gonna have to be part
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: of the game plan, is all right, We're gonna have
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: to get the ball out quickly. We're gonna have to
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: be a little bit more smoking mirrors, honestly to make
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: sure that we protect the tackles. If that's really where
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: this is headed. I don't want to be too negative,
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: but I'm just like, would do a little bit on
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: this where I just like, it's fine, everything was fine,
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: but nothing offensively wowed me, Like there was nothing that
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: That's how I.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Would feel I don't think it was bad, but nothing
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: wowed me, And it seems like a lot of other
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: people have been wild.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: And you don't have any wow guys out there, right.
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: I just I think that with Mac, he's gonna be
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: put in a better position. He's going to be more
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: in rhythm. He's going to understand what is expected of
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: him and what are his tools, as he says, are
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: pre snap and things like that. And he's mentally he's
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: going to be locked in and he's going to be
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: screwed in. But physically, it's not like all of a
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: sudden he's got an arm cannon and he's mobile, right
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: Like he's still the same guy that he all that
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: he's been for the first two years in the league.
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: So how much of a difference is that truly going
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: to make? That he is locked in mentally, and I
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: think that that's that's a difference between them, you know,
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: winning seven games and winning ten is is this really
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: gonna make such a big difference that to the point
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: where when all the chips are down and it's third
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: and six with two minutes to go and they need
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: to they need to put a drive together. Are they
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: going to have the horses to put it together. And
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: I think that that's still the biggest question with the.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Team September tenth. Can't get here fast enough, right.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: And and again I don't think any of the three
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: of us thinks it was a disaster. You know, it's
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Panics last year.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean not Mini Camp.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: No, No, absolutely, I don't think anybody is looking at
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: it like that. But I just there's been a lot
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: of I've seen a lot of you know, like uh
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: five who popped me? And Mac is on every single
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: one of them, and I missed the popping.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Is I guess it also sounds like you guys feel
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: the same way.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: I'd also say, like you said, last year Mini Camp,
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: they were throwing the ball down the field pretty well.
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: And I gotta be honest with you. With Mac, I
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: don't give a crap about seven on seven. I know
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: he can throw the ball in seven on seven.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: It's amazing if they still chot that, right.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: So I he has never he's from day one, he's
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: torn up seven on seven. So I I just with him,
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: it's about the pass rush, Like, how is it gonna
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: look in a muddied pocket? How is it gonna look
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: when he's got guys in his face or guys at
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: his feet like that. This is not that like seven
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: on set. So yeah, he can drop dimes to Kasiki
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: and DeVante all day in seven on seven, But what's
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: it going to look like? And that's why these like
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: completion rates and stuff like that from from mini camps,
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: Like there's there's no live pass rush there. They're not
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: pushing the pocket, they're not you know, there's nobody at
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: his feet. He's stepping into every throw. He's got time
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: and space, he knows he's not going to get touched.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: So obviously if he can't drop dimes in that setting,
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: then he's then he's really in.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: And one quick thing that Evan just said, that's really
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: important I think for him specifically stepping into every throw. Yeah,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I think that's a big part of Mac and I
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: always you know, I'm it's no secret that I'm really
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: skeptical on Mac right and that, But that's one of
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: the things is I think everything has to be right
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: because I don't think the physical skills are there to
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: fall back on all the time with him, and I
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: agree with with Evan. I think he can throw the
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: ball as effectively, is you need to in that league? Yeah,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: no question, but when it's right, yeah.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: I mean one other tackle thing to point out was
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: it seemed kind of like Connor McDermott maybe was getting
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: the higher reps above Riley Reef. So it's just you know,
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: those kind of things where I'm like, really, so we
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: brought in Riley Reef and he can't even really hold
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: onto the top reps through mini camp like you know,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, nobody was thrilled with those signings kind of
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: out of the gate. Uh, everything you said though, this
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: is it all ties directly to the protection. I mean,
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: these are you know, the edges are nothing's more important
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: von Miller. I mean, go down the list of all
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: the pass rushers Miami, Bradley Chubb. I mean, it's you know,
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: they're going to have their work cut out for them.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: I mean right from the get go. And I just
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: I wonder what the deal is with Trent Brown, you know,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: is it I know he missed a flight, that happens
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: just kind of watched. Were they expecting when he got
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: here that he was going to be in shape and
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: ready to participate?
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: That's something I wanted to talk about too. And I
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: also want to move to defense because I think we're
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: all much more.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: I almost tried to start them. We're almost I didn't
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: do it on the defense.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: But Trent Brown, do you think that that was you know,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: like he hasn't been here all spring, you know, all right,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: because he didn't do much, if anything. He took part
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: like a couple of drill barely stretched, I mean, walk
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: into some of our colleagues, you know, took it a
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: step further and saying that he couldn't finish some of
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: the drills and tapped out. These are the comments that
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: I heard, Yeah, and was sent down to the lower
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: rehab field. I kind of watching from afar our, you know,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: our thirty thousand foot look. I look at it.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: It's like, you know, you just got here, and you
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: know he's probably not in the best of shape. I mean,
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: we know that's been an issue. That's why he has
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: all those incentives in his contract. And that was you know,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: standing operating procedure. You know you got to go and
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: get him ready. Well tie into Jude on two because
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: I mean that's not exactly the same. But wasn't here
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: kind of played second team reps, wasn't you know it wasn't.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, still was more involved than Trent Brown was,
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: but yeah by a lot, but was reduced a little bit.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: I just don't know. I really don't, and I don't know.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I just wonder though.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: It's like, but it's like, if you're not in shape
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: and you can't even participate, then what are we doing?
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Why are you here? You know, like what this is
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: mandatory mini camp? Like this is a chance. I'm sure
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: that guy still got weight clauses right, like he probably
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: had to weigh in, I'm guessing.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: So I wonder if that's why he didn't do anything,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: because maybe he didn't go get your on and I
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: will I will say some of the highlights, some of
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: the highlights that I saw last night of him, you know,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: sort of up close and we were up in the ramps.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: He did look a little big. Now he's a huge guy.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: It's hard to tell him when.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: He walked onto the field, Freddy a hulking fit.
• 27:13
  Speaker 9: Help.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, he could be like plus or minus sixty pounds.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: You probably rightn't tell share up to the Queen Mary.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's a problem right now and it's up
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: all upstairs. Do you do you want to play? Football.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Do you want to do what is necessary to play well?
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: And that starts with getting your mind and body and shape.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: And it's it's just even you know everything we ran
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: down with. You know, Calvin Anderson, who I mean, I
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: think he's kind of like we're all praying to God
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: that he can play. But in your mind, you're like
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: trump Brown, please, like you can play both sides. You're
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: a giant guy. We know you have the skill, like,
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: help us because if there's anything this team could really use,
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: it's just lock down one side. I don't even care
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: which side it is, But can you just give us
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: seventeen games play good?
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: You can be as good as you want to be.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: You know, that's the thing.
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: But this is what happens when you ignore it in
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: the draft, yep, Because now there's no young guy, Like
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: it's not like you have even an Isaiah Win that's
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: sitting there that's like, oh well, we have to go
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: to him sooner than we thought, right, so be it.
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: So you don't have that guy on this team right now.
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: So if Riley Reef doesn't have it anymore and Trent
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: Brown is not locked in, then then you're Calvin Anderson
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: and Connor McDermott, and that's what you're you're stuck with
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: right for the season. And you know, we've talked about it,
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: like franchise tackles don't come available in August, Like that's
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: you know, that's a spot that there's only so many
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: of them in the league.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Unless it's Robert Gallery, there's only.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: So many of them in the league to begin with,
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: and a lot of teams have tackle deficiencies because there
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: aren't enough good starting tackles league wide. So they're not
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: they're not gonna make some guy a Pro Bowl level
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: tackle is not coming available on September first, Like this
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: is just kind of what you got.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to like like who knows, maybe,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: I mean Connor McDermott is not like super old, Like
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: maybe maybe he's getting a chance and maybe he's improving,
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: but I just think, like the simple fact is that
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: you're going to have to start a guy you plucked
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: off a practice squad last year. Well, you couldn't improve
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: that player.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Remember remember the you know our you know uh saying here,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: look at what they do, not what they say. And
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: so let's see if there's any movement at tackle, you know,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: in terms of just you know, I know they're not
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: going to bring in a high end but if there's
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: any movement in du yeah, bringing anybody in, and that'll
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: tell us.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: That's part of the reason why I'm concerned because I'm
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: watching what they have done. As Mike said, it's Reef, now,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: it's McDermott, it's reportedly working out a guy like DJ
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Flucker like. But we think they think it's an issue.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: But but I think it was grow or even Belichick
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: might have just talked about you know, we're happy with
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: gros said they were happy with happy with the depth.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: The depth at tackle. That's different to me than who
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: we have starting and so I'm still wait. I think
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: it's still a work in progress.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Well, it feels like they're happy with they got a
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: bunch of B minus C plus guys that they're happy
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: to rotate around. But do you have a brief plus
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: darter on you?
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: So I still think there's something to be to wait
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: and see on the tackle front.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: I thought they would make that in terms of the
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: caliber of player.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Well first determining what do we got out of Trent Brown?
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: What can we have?
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: But I think what you see is what you get
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: in terms of the ability.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: But that's you know, that's one. But I'm talking about
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: is he gonna be with us? Is he gonna give
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: it full effort? If you know, do we have to
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: worry about Trent Brown? Yes, you know, whether.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: He's here or not, you're gonna have to I mean,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: whether if he's as long as he's.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: Here, you will have to worry about him. Yeah, But
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: because that's the player he's been, you had to worry
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: about him in eighteen we know great.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: But I think the level of that worry we'll see
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: in their actions.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: You know, well, they got two open roster spots. So
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, I I coming out of camp, I felt
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: like you got to go add some death. I mean,
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: I hate to say more depth, because that's all you
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: can really get at this point.
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: So I mean, if Flucker's in as good of shape
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: as the videos suggest he is, that why.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Not what do you have to lose?
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: And I like the idea of a guy who you
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: know was away for the game could have you know,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: it's not like he hasn't been in the league, been
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: in the league since thirteen, motivated to want to get
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: he had every reason to just walk away, but he
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: wanted to get back he lost all that weight. There's
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: something to be said for that. Yep, there's something to
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: be said about Okay, this guy appreciates what he had,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: wants to get it back, and maybe for at least
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: a year, he's motivated.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: You know, at this point, anybody with T after their name,
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: like just I think you need it. I'd love to
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: just take a shot on somebody. I mean, he has
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: was the first round pick. He was the first round pick,
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: so he has a little bit of like, well, maybe
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: like you could have maybe fool yourself into thinking that
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: he's going to find the magic, but it's, uh, it's
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: it's an issue. And I think that you know, it's
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: Evan laid out. Once it gets real, then you're really
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: going to get a sense of of how Max's going
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: to play with this kind of protection.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: To me, the most positive stuff that we saw in
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: mini camp was the stuff that we kind of went
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: in thinking there could be a lot of versatility with
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: the defense, and I think we've seen it, and you know,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: I know that the players talked about it. Peppers talked
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: about it a little bit, Judon talked about it a lot.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Judon to the point where I was like relax, a
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: little bit wet, like six unicorns out there. But they
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: do have you know, some different some different options with
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: how they want to how they want to use some guys.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: And you know, on the surface, I do see it
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: the way that they talk about it, because it's you know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: it's Adrian Phillips, it's Jabrill Peppers, it's Mapoo.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: Now you know, get these.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Guys Kyle Dugar that can operate, you know, in the
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: back end, closer to the line of scrimmage. They can
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: be in coverage, they can be run support players. I
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: just wonder if maybe it's a little bit you know, repetitive,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: you know, and I do wonder if they have to
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: make a move for a tackle like we were talking about,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: is one of these guys, you know, is an Adrian
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Phillips maybe expendable, you know, maybe can can he get
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: you a Jonah Williams who I saw somebody I think
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Phil Perry speculated that's the kind of guy you're gonna
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: get at this time of year.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: A guy who maybe lost his job several injuries.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: In Cincinnati, right it's been hurt and you know, maybe
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: he's disgruntled and wants to go to New England to
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: get gruntled.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean not to go negative on the defense too, but.
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: Like, don't do it.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: We've seen this, like you know, hybrid safety scheme for
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: three years now, right, Like, I mean, they've had a
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: few safeties that have this versatility. It hasn't mattered against Buffalo,
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: against I mean, against the good teams. They're not really
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: fooled by it, Like they don't really like, oh god,
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: they really got us on that one. Like, you know,
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: so it all sounds great in theory, but like they
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: just need to start producing against.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: When they do get burned most of the you know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: like they just can't get off on third down or whatever,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: isn't it because they just the play gets extended. They
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: just can't get to the quarterback. They can't just.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: Time you know. Yeah, I mean.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Last year, if the front seven is better, like that's
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: gonna I think that'll help, right, well, it will.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: But who's the who's the new person in the front seven?
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: So again, White's gonna make you like better than you
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: were last.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Year when you mesh everything together. Barbour will be healthy
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: because he wasn't healthy last year.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: I like that. Yeah, I like that, But you know,
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: like Minnesota justin Jefferson went off, he didn't have the
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: corner or you know, Lamar, you just couldn't figure out.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: I'm going to say quarter, this is great deuces, just
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: take take the.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know, wait like during the season when that happens,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: you know, I'll certainly be right next to you. I'm
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: encouraged by the defense. Fred Fred Fred keeps saying top five.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: I don't think it will take very much to get
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not going to walk it back and anyway,
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: because I mean, just does anyone think that Josh Allen
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: is really like confounded by the Patriots Amiba defense for safeties?
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Those guys, see, those guys aren't really confounded by.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Any right kind of They can helate it.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: You can have a bad day, I mean, anybody can
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: have a bad day at any time.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: But you know, he started selling us on we got
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: five safeties.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: That I think they were ten last year, so I
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: can certainly see them finishing top five.
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: I think they should be top one. Honestly, I think
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: this should be the best defensive.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: You think this is a better personnel than since San
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Francisco has.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: I think it's right up there because their secondary is better.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: I don't think they have any linebackers like since San Francis.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: But but you don't shut down my homes, you don't
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: shut down. You hope that you could make three or
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: four key stops. That's it, that's true, that's it, and
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: give you and then, like Evan says, your offense has
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: to step up. They have to maybe score thirty points
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: to win that game.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: And I'm not even talking necessarily because I think there
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: were times last year against the really good teams that
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: they did get three or four.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Stops, right, but the offense don't get help them.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: But they don't get it when they need it.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, ye, well that's been a key stop.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: That No, no, no, I didn you said they have
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: to come up with.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Three worst stops. I use the word key, can't use
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: the word key.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: So they got three or four key stops, but they
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: couldn't get the fifth one when they needed to win
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: the game was on the line, most like the one
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: that you just talked about against Minnesota though, like against Buffalo. Yeah,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: everybody talks about the kickoff returns, but in the fourth quarter,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: when you're right in the game, you can't stop them.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: They go right down the field to score two possessions
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: in a row the Raiders in a game, everybody wants
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: to talk about the lateral. Before the lateral happened, the
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: lateral would have been irrelevant. If you could just get
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: off the field on fourth and ten.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Well, they did that play in the end zone.
• 36:21
  Speaker 10: Win. No.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: On fourth and ten. It was pitch and catch, as
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: easy as it can be right down the fields.
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: It's the same thing as the offense. For me, it's
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: it's the clutch plays. It's exact, because that's the difference
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: between being eight and nine and ten and seven.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: And that's why I'm not concerned about what ranking they
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: have on defense. Can they stop somebody when they need
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: to stop somebody of any kind of consequence? I actually
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: that's not named Sam Ellinger.
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: But I'm I'm high on the defense, not because of
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: the seventeen safeties that they have, but because of the
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: fact that I think that the top three picks in
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: the draft I think are missing ingredients for the defense.
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: Because Gonzales, even if Gonzales is not all pro corner
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: right away, he puts everybody in the proper spot, and
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: he the pecking order, just like we talk with the receivers,
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: with Hopkins, and how that can make everybody go down.
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: And now you have Jonathan Jones back in the slot.
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: You have Jack Jones as your second boundary corner, and
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: Gonzalez is your number one guy, and it fits together.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: It all is.
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: Last year, the problem that they had against a lot
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: of these teams is that Jonathan Jones was playing as
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: the number one corner. And Jonathan Jones is a great player,
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: but he's not a number one corner. So when they
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: went up against Justin Jefferson, when they went up against
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: Thefon Diggs, they didn't have the proper personnel in the secondary,
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: and it had a trickle down effect because you got
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: guys like Miles Bryant out there for a lot of
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: snaps and teams just pick on those types of guys.
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: I don't think that the secondary is going to be
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: as vulnerable to being picked on like that because Gonzalez
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: puts everybody in the proper spot. And if there is
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: a big if, but if they use Mapu correctly and
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: have him play at the second level of the defense,
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: now you have somebody in the middle of the field
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: at the second level who can cover some ground. And
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: that's such a big difference between what they've had and
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: what they because he's bigger and he's heavier. He plays
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: heavier than the safeties do. He plays like a linebacker,
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: but he's got a safety body type and safety speed.
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: If that is at the second level of the defense.
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: Now you talk about San Francisco and their linebackers, that's
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: what their linebackers bring to the table. That's what you
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: know green Law and Fred Warner bring to the table
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: for them that make them so good. So I think
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: that this defense has the makings of getting off the
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: field against better offenses this year because of the draft picks,
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: and you have some hope on that's that you have
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: some high end talent, you have some infusion of real
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: talent and that side of the ball, and you're not
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: just replacing guys like they are on offense.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: And I think that sort of dovetails into what's you know,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: we talked about everybody talking about Mac Jones popping and
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: we were like, eh, maybe, well another guy that a
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: lot of people had included was Jack Jones popping.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: That one I would wholeheartedly agree with. Yep. I think
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: he had a couple of really good days Monday and Tuesday.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Again, we understand the competition evaluation all that, So that
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: disclaimer was out there, we understand. But I thought he
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: was active. I thought he was really tight in his coverage,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: making plays on the ball. Had a really nice pick
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: at one point coming off of his man.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: I think he had born on a.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Play and came over and undercut a deep sort of
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: fade down the side, almost like a real kind of
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: concept to a tight end.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I think he's part of that clean thing that's going
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: on with the team.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Well, and that's but that's that's important because to Evan's point,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Gonzalez puts everybody in their spots. Right, So if Gonzalez
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: is one in Jack Jones is two. Now you have,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, Jonathan Jones where he belongs is in
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: the slot. And you can use these other guys the
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: way you want to. You can use Jalen Mills as
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: a deep free safety if you want to. Now, maybe
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: you have other options. Maybe you want to use all
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: these hybrid safeties in different ways. You don't want use
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Jalen Mills that way, whatever, But you can do what
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: you want to do as opposed to.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: What you have to do. Right, Yeah, that allows you
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: to do have more creative and I don't.
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: Need to like pick on him, but seriously, getting Miles
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: bryan off the field defensively makes the defense a lot better.
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: It just does. Like Jonathan Jone is just a much
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: better star or nickel, whatever you want to call it,
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: than Miles Bryant is and that really helps. And I
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: just with Jack Jones. Now he's got the freedom to
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: go and hunt for the football, and now he can
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: be that ballhawk that we know that he can be.
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: Because Christian Gonzalez is the one that's gonna go seventy
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: snaps against the fon Diggs and be in his face. Now,
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: is that gonna work out year one right off the bat,
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: that he's gonna take aj Brown and shut him down.
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: That's not what I'm saying, but it just the idea
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: of it is there for that potential to be there.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: So I thought I came out of trade this offseason
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: in the spring thinking this defense really could be one
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: of the better defenses in the league truly, not just
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: like beating up on Sam Ellinger, but like padded stats.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, But I think too, Evan, you know,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: like to your point saying I think we should Uh,
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: I'm good with Jude on like I just I'll see
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: Jude on week one, you know. Oh yeah, that illustrates
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: that it is a little bit tenuous in a couple
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: of positions I think where one or two key injuries
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: could could really hurt, especially at that outside linemacros spot,
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: which is you know, kind of when we saw Kem White.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: So I'm really curious to see what he looks like
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: with pads on how much of a handful is he
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: really for those offensive linemen. I I'm intrigued by just
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: where he was playing, but I still don't really know
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: exactly what he is. I think that's the case though
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: with pretty much any linement at this point, you.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Know, Mike and Charlotte writes in fred KPI is key
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: performance indicators? I said, index. I've heard it index. It's
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: either one. It's the same thing.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Either way.
• 41:44
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• 41:46
  Speaker 2: But anyway, I don't have it. I like it when
• 41:48
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• 41:52
  Speaker 2: ACE ticket outline web radio at pagries dot com. Is
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: the email address anything else we want to just put
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: on the table before we open it up to the
• 41:59
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• 42:02
  Speaker 3: So I would say one last thing that you know,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: you guys can really talk about in your own time.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: But Joe Judge, no specialists, you know, the kickers, you know,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: I think that it's going to be interesting to see
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: how both kickers and punter sort of play out over
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: the summer.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: I think they'll all be close. I think those are.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think the rookies will probably win. But
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: I don't think Nick Folk's going to go quietly, and
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: I don't think Corlos Waveman's going to go quietly either.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, I I think he was a little bit
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: inconsistent from the few you know here and there that
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: I saw. But I think it'll be uh, you know,
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: I don't know. You get excited for punter and kicker battles,
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: but it's always an interesting end to be the practice
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: with the kickers, you know, when you kind of go
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: back at the stop watch out. No, I don't know.
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: I think Ryland clearly hits the ball a lot better
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: than Folk at this time when I talked talking about
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: power right and when you also put into that kickoffs
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: after last year, you know, I just I think you
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: have to consider that. We'll see if you can, you know,
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: his control on the ball some of the preseason games,
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: things like.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: That, does the new rule on kickoffs give any more
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: of a leg up? No pun intended. I don't think so,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: you know, because you're gonna be kicking maybe shorter more often.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I think after last year, I if
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: they kick it out of the back of the end
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: zone every single time, I'm good with that. I never
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: want to see niaim heinz.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: If it's going to the twenty five regardless a way
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: you kick it, Why do you have to kick it shorter.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Just to make them have a decision, you know, and
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: possibly a mistake, you know.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, you're really relying on some guy wanting to
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: play hero ball, you know. I mean, because I gotta
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: imagine in any kind of situation where you can't have
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: a mess up absolutely like near the end of the game,
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: that they're not even gonna try, Like there's not even
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: gonna cross. You are not returning this ball. So I
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: don't know. I'm not sure how it's gonna play out,
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: but I don't think. I don't think it's gonna help folk.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: No, I don't see how it could. Last year when
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: he was kicking them short it's amazing return.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: So like on a punt, right when you punt the ball,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: guy raises his hand for fair catch, where the ball
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: is down is where you start on a kickoff. If
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: the guy doesn't catch, if he raises his hand but doesn't.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Catch it, oh it's live.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: It's live. It's a live ball. Yeah, okay.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Kickoff's a live ball.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: So they're not gonna so it's still a live ball
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: if he doesn't catch it. Yeah, okay, hoping for a
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: bounce or something.
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: Right, maybe I don't know about I don't know. Now
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: that you have basically have to give up fair catch
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: rule kick.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: You have to catch a kickoff. You have to catch
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: a kick in the past, you have. They didn't say
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: anything that the rules changed. Okay, that would be a
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: rule change. A kickoffs a live ball.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: But it's not fair catch rules like fair.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Catch could always fair catch a kick, but that hasn't changed.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: They've only changing where you're putting the ball. Okay, but
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: you always have had to catch.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: You can't let it like fair catch and then like
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: get away from it because it's like the wind is
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: bad or anything like that.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: No, do you understand what I'm saying, Like you like
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: forever you've been able to fair catch a kick, and
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: you would you would take possession where you caught the kick.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: The only difference is they're putting the ball at the
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: twenty five if that fair catch takes place inside the
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: twenty five. Okay, that's the only change to the rule.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: I watched the video yesterday that the officials put out
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: and that actually wasn't even part of it. Okay, did
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: you get a certificate for it?
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: I did not get that certificate.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: It's unfair, right, because you're right, because otherwise it would
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: negate the whole on sidekick, you could just raise your hand.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, you know it's squibbing around fair catch. Yeah,
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: don't touch me. That's why people don't chip them high
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: on on side kicks, right, because you do is put
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: your hand up. Now you can't touch the guy and
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: all you just do is catch it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Now you just can't touch it, right, Okay.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: So unless they've made another alteration to the rule that
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: they haven't.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Can't do that without on sidekick, right.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: Didn't get a certificate though, But you don't know.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: For reason video it's the twenty five yard fair catch
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: thing wasn't part of the video. It also seemed to you,
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: guys can watch the yes that.
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: I alway didn't get it.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out how I got it now.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: You just just stunned me.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: I think I just saw it on Twitter. I don't
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: really think it was sent to me. But anyway, the
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: twenty five yard touchback on the kickoff strangely wasn't part
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: of the video, and it also seemed to cut off
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: at a strange point, like there was more to the video.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's like a rough cut of the video and
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: they're going to add that in there.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know, poor poor.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Talking about like helmet contact, helmet use, tackle, yeah, bag heading,
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: all right, Toroy Vincent, you know, playing up the player
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: safety nonsense. Yeah, we care about you. Now that I
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: no longer play, we care about you.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Let's hear what from the listeners. Todd's in North Carolina?
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: What's up?
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: Todd?
• 46:39
  Speaker 11: Kind of like the way the show is going. We've
• 46:41
  Speaker 11: had positive Paul, and we've had dismal dues and all
• 46:44
  Speaker 11: and then twitch Pip flopping back and forth. It's been
• 46:46
  Speaker 11: a great show so far. Okay, So in that vein,
• 46:49
  Speaker 11: I have this fallowing idea. I want one thing you
• 46:52
  Speaker 11: feel optimistic about one concern and one thing ery might
• 46:55
  Speaker 11: be pleasantly surprised, and I can go first. Okay, I'm optimistic,
• 47:00
  Speaker 11: very optimistic about our defensive backfield, our DB's I think
• 47:04
  Speaker 11: that's just to give it. My concern actually is our
• 47:06
  Speaker 11: running backs. I don't know about our depth, and I
• 47:09
  Speaker 11: know the two young guys didn't get too much play
• 47:11
  Speaker 11: last year, and there's a bit of injury, so that's
• 47:13
  Speaker 11: my concern. I think I'm going to be pleasantly surprised
• 47:16
  Speaker 11: by our linebacking corps. So that's my three, and i'd
• 47:19
  Speaker 11: love to hear your guys three.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: All right, thanks Tod.
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: Do you running back concerns on your own?
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: I am not concerned about running backs at all time.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: It doesn't Yeah, I'd say I'm excited about the secondary.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: I think that's a good one that covers a lot
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: of ground, some new places. I'd like to be pleasantly
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: surprised by Juju Smith Schuster. I think that you know,
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: if he is, you know, just a needle mover, like
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: I just don't want a guy who's going to catch
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: their down passes and fall down like I want somebody
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: who can make some plays. So that would be be
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: my pleasant surprise, and what was the other one?
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: What's your concern?
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: Concern?
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Every everything else, everything we heard the first forty show,
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: everything else.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, I hope my pleasant surprise is Taekwon Thwart.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good I mean, I think those two
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: guys pleasant surprise, you know, maybe the pleasant surprises that
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: they signed.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: I'm optimistic overall about the defense, just overall, and you know,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: I'm concerned, like you said, about the tackles.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, there's just no easy answer with those
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: tackle positions other than you know, a couple guys just
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: kind of play above their weight for a season.
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: Can we do past tense pleasantly surprised like what I
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: was presently surprised and many can't. Mike is SICKI yeah, okay,
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: that was much better than I was even anticipating. Like
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: I think you talking about production wise, like his better
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: years in Miami.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: If he sixty seventy somewhere in that, yeah.
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: Seven hundred yards, eight hundred yards, If this keeps up
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: a lot more fluid natural instinctive of a receiver than
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: the guy he's replacing, just really looks like he is
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: a football player that you know, I could hands runs
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: routes well, explosive.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was really we're gonna use him correct, Yeah,
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: how do you use him in the red zone? That's
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: what you know, Like, how are you gonna play with
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: those two guys, him and Hunter Henry. It sounds like
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: they're gonna be out there together a lot.
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I just feel like, you know, the two things,
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: the three things that you kind of knew that he
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: could do. He could run, like he knew he was
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: gonna be able to run the scene and run across
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: the field and win some foot races like that in
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: the catch radius in the red zone production, I think
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: he thought it was going to be decent, but he
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: showed a little bit more wiggle and a little bit
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: more route running ability than what I kind of expected.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: And he's at a level athletically well above Hunter Henry.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: I think, yeah this point, Yeah, he's a little chemistry
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: with Mac too. I think, like just Max sing, their
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: a couple you know, quick, quick, get it out kind
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: of throws. And it wasn't great, but you know, like
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: pressure was coming because they dropped the level or whatever.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: It was not just because I was I was thinking
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: the same. That's the thing I'm most excited about. Is
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: him being implemented into the offense.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, own the red zone, big.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: What the thing I'm con learned about is like the
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: offense in general, I remain concerned about, but specifically Mac
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: and the offensive line.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: Those those two elements.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: And then the thing that I'm I guess pleasantly I'm
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: hoping to be pleasantly surprised. But I think you guys
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: have really good ones with the receivers. But I'm gonna
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: say I'm going to be pleasantly surprised that it's just
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: defensively you can just match out. It's not it's no
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: longer just scheme related. It's just we can match up
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: up front, we can do what we do and we
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: can and we can get pressure. Like last year, I
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: felt like they got pressure at times, but not necessarily
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: when they needed it. I'm gonna be pleasantly surprised when
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: they get pressure when they need it.
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: Well, that's how you hope the coverage marries up right,
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: where if you're now forcing the quarterback to hold the
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: ball for an extra second because you have better coverage,
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: it allows those guys up front the.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: Team I hope to be pleasantly surprised by that element
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: of the defense.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Willems and pelam, what up William? William, William, you're there?
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: I guess not.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: I guess not. Let's see.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: I think Mike was so negative that William didn't have
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: anything to add.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: A lot of emails coming in, a lot of emails, just.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: To parse it out a little bit though, Like I
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: share how you put it, Polly, Like you know, the
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: offense and the tackles are concerned. I just see the tackle.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: If that's a big problem, that's just gonna that's gonna
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: undercut the whole offense right from the get, you know.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: Like I think generally, if they get solid play, I
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: think they'll be okay. That doesn't mean I feel great,
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: but I just think that they're if they're getting subpart
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: play from the tackles, that that they're gonna be, they're
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: gonna be in trouble.
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Floyd in Redford, Michigan, Fred You once referred to Mac
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: as a high maintenance. As high maintenance, Evan has said
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: the following about Mac. He isn't good under center. He
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: doesn't have the arm to make the throw. He doesn't
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: have the confidence to make the throw. When someone brought
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: up the possibility of competition. Evan didn't want that and
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: said you got to put your arms around him. Paul
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: said he can't throw on the run. Can someone please
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: explain why we should be excited about having mac as
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: our QB.
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: I don't think I said any of those things that
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: he just listened off, So I don't know.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: I do think no one's telling you you have to
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: be excited about the quarterback. I think we're all sort
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: of wondering about the quarterback. You could feel held about
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: the quarterback.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: I think we all say it comes down to how
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: well he plays, and none of us really know.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind of my whole my one concern
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: we just with the exercise with this question.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: He can't be offense, he can't be as good as
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: he was as a rookie. He's got to be significantly
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: better than that, you know.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: And just as far as an Ota mini camp practice goes,
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: he's he's just kind of the same guy, you know.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: And you know, I was joking we were NFL Network's
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: going to air this that blood so first game of
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: Bloods second season where he went toe to toe with
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: Dan Marino kind of a you know, coming up coming
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: up right, you know, and Paul can speak to his
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: performance probably a little bit more clearly than I can.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: But you know, I just you know, unfortunately, I mean,
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: I don't. I have to say, I don't know what
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: I'm expecting to see in an ota from Mac Jones.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: It's gonna make me say, like, oh my gosh, he's
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: really made strides, but he has like he just looks
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: like the same guy to me, the same you know.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: It's it's a couple throws downfield. There's a couple of
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: clunky plays, and you know, so when the pads come on,
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: when it gets serious, you get into joint practices and
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: all that, I think we'll have a better sense it.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: I just I want to see some progress from him,
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: Like I just I don't really, I don't think there
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: is progress. No, I think the progress is between the ears.
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: And that's like the only way where you're not going
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: to see it.
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: It's the only source that you're gonna get it from.
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: Like the thing that's missing from from Mac, I think
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: for all of us, Like he can throw the ball
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: with touch and accuracy down the field like that the
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: one that we posted on Twitter to get SICKI and
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: you know, he had another one to Parker on the
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: back pylon where he just put it up on a
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: shelf for Parker, Like he can make those touch throws
• 53:52
  Speaker 6: down the field, but it's like, you know, the the
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: fifteen yard incut in between two defenders where he just
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: steps into it and drives it on the line. It's
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: the sideline out Like can he throw that ball without
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: air under it?
• 54:04
  Speaker 12: Like?
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: Can you throw it on a line?
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: And I don't know if that's ever gonna come for him,
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: Like I don't know if he's ever gonna have that
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: kind of arm talent. So you're just kind of hoping
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: that he's gonna be one step ahead mentally, right, and
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: that that's just kind of where he's at. But the
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: one thing I want to throw out there about the
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: offensive line without Mike on Winnie out there these couple
• 54:23
  Speaker 6: of weeks, they have obviously filled in with a bunch
• 54:26
  Speaker 6: of different guys. I don't think Bill Murray is a
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: real thing, but like Antonio Mafi, Jake Andrews, maybe the
• 54:31
  Speaker 6: guys that they drafted, maybe maybe on one who's a tackle.
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: You know, I don't really love that doing that, Like
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: I think that he's better off at guard. But if
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: you kick him out back outside the tackle and you
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: use one of you know, Antonio Mafi like, you can
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: hide tackles our guards. Excuse me, you know that you can.
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: You can open David Andrews to his side, you can slide,
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: you can do all sorts of things to help out
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: a guard, maybe on one who kicks back out to tackle.
• 54:59
  Speaker 6: Now you're only worrying about one tackle spot. In between
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: Trent Brown and Riley Reef and Connor McDermott and Calvin Anderson,
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: you should be able to find one left tackle.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: Connor McDermott's a better right tackle than Michael and when
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: you like, I struggle to see that just with the
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: power on when you has and I also was just wondering,
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: you know, what do you think that would do for
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: him going into a free agency year where he now
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: is going to go back to tackle.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Is That's another good point, Mike, because you know how
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: much I think that was an enormous part of the
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: equation last year, was the fact that the two tackles
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: had their noses bent out of joint when they switched sides.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: You know, and for the exact reason that you're talking about,
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: when was a left tackle going into his free agency
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: here and they moved them to right. Trent Brown signed
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: as a right tackle and they made him a left tackle.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: And I do I can I put a hand on
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: a bible and tell you that this was no. But
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: I think both of those guys were upset about it.
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: I just think it's I don't want to move Mike
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: out to tackle, just because I think when you have
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: a core back like Mac Jones, the depth of the
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: pocket is more important than the with because he's got
• 56:04
  Speaker 6: to be able to step up in the pocket. So
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: having those three guys sturdy in the interior is probably
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: better for his style of play. But if you're really
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: really deficient there at tackle, he's probably the best tackle
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: on your roster not named Trent Brown, and you kick
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: him out, you put Mafia in at guard, And how
• 56:25
  Speaker 6: much do you really drop off? If at all?
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tim and at Duncan, our friends at Duncan says
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Fred's correct. The best games are ones that the Patriots
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: win by a lot. They get a lead early and
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: continue to build on throughout the game. Love those days.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Hopefully they'll be back soon. I have a good feeling
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: about getting Hopkins signed. I heard a report on the
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: radio today that Robert Kraft is all for it. You
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: think that's true. If so, I have confidence they will
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: get the money right to sign him. Think I didn't
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: hear that, But I didn't hear it.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: But I can understand why you. Why would mister I
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: heard bring excitement put in.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: I've heard more speculation posed as facts on this whole
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: situation than I can remember on really any situation.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: And last thing, my first disagreement with Evan, and it
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: has nothing to do with football. To say that Chris
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Stapleton is a nietzsche artist with an overrated anthem is
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: easily the worst take. Chris Stapleton is a great artist
• 57:24
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• 57:25
  Speaker 6: No one knows Christleton is. First of all. First of all,
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: First of all, Chris Stapleton is fine, let's not let's
• 57:33
  Speaker 6: calm down. Second of all, people need to realize that,
• 57:36
  Speaker 6: like when I'm messing with Barth, it's I'm messing with
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: bart right, like.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: That I wanted to catch twenty two things.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: It's yes, okay, all right, We're going to take a
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: break from fret here. We'll be right back after this.
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  Speaker 2: Back on Patriots Unfiltered, it's Deuce, Evan, Paul, myself, Matt
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  Speaker 2: did you ever listen to PFW back when you were
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean not religiously, because I'm you know, I
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  Speaker 3: I still call a PFW in progress all the time.
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  Speaker 4: I did. Thank you. You can call Matt Morel for one.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe I'll ship it to you. Maybe you'll get it.
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  Speaker 2: Name year, Josh and Turner's falls. Any chance you could
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  Speaker 2: in all seriousness, if Hopkins doesn't sign with the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: not my choice, but a name thrown around at Paul
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  Speaker 2: to hear your guys opinions and maybe a name that
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  Speaker 4: You yeah, running, I would say they need somebody. I
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  Speaker 6: You know, it's definitely it feels like trade for.
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  Speaker 2: Travis and West Virginia continues his feud with Paul Paul.
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  Speaker 2: Did you hear Einstein Allen's press conference on Tuesday? This
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  Speaker 2: is an actual quote from him. I'm just trying to
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  Speaker 2: talk and listen at the same time. Sometimes when you
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  Speaker 2: But feel free to keep marveling at his intellect.
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  Speaker 3: Jeez, wow, Can I just say you've never heard that
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  Speaker 3: phrase before. You need to have the ability to talk
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  Speaker 4: I've heard that phrase.
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  Speaker 3: I have no idea what his IQ is. I have
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  Speaker 3: books much. Yeah, I'm saying he plays more often than
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  Speaker 3: when he gets in trouble he's trying to do too
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  Speaker 3: much physically to extend to play. Not because I didn't
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  Speaker 3: I don't see that a lot.
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  Speaker 4: I was just there's an example that he's dumb. I
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  Speaker 4: don't I don't know how this even became a thing.
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  Speaker 4: He plays for a team in the division. I would
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  Speaker 4: just I would say, pretty simple, what would you say,
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  Speaker 6: That's why I just keep coming back to with the secondary.
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  Speaker 6: And what makes me feel excited optimistic is I think
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  Speaker 6: don't think you can beat Josh Allen with smoke and mirrors.
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  Speaker 6: I think you just have to be better than Buffalo,
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  Speaker 6: have the horses to line up against them.
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  Speaker 2: And even when you have the right call and you
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  Speaker 2: disrupt him, he extends to play and he still be too.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that stupid touchdown he had last year like one
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  Speaker 4: foot out of bounds and then just like rifled it across.
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  Speaker 6: I think that's like what with him in particular. I
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  Speaker 6: think that's what has given them so much trouble. Is
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  Speaker 6: So once it once the play breaks down, now he's
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  Speaker 6: a whole another play.
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  Speaker 4: That's what they say.
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  Speaker 6: All the time. It's like two plays against him. It's
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  Speaker 6: the initial play and then it's like the secondary play,
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  Speaker 6: and that's where he beats them.
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  Speaker 3: And I would say without question that both like a
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  Speaker 3: be smart, you can be dumb. If you're that physically talented,
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  Speaker 3: you can't do what they do and be dumb and
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  Speaker 3: play dumb all the time. Now that throat that you're
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  Speaker 3: talking about, the one in the Thursday Night game where
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  Speaker 3: mac Wilson had him on the sideline, that just as
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  Speaker 3: easily can be an example of what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 3: When he gets in trouble, he's extending the play. Instead
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  Speaker 3: It happened to him a lot last year, but he
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  Speaker 3: had some red zone turnover problems last year, so sometimes
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  Speaker 3: he tries to do too much. I just think it's again,
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  Speaker 3: you're just trying to you know, put down the other
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think, to me, the question isn't about his
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  Speaker 6: I'm really on I'm really hoping that Haley comes.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's absolutely a concern. If you're Buffalo, I
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It depends on how much Craft likes
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: matc Grow mad Grow. You know, if Kraft likes him,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: then it could be Matt Grow do you.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: Think he would set it up more traditionally with a
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: with a GM and a coach.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Certainly if if the if the next head coach is
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: either Gerard Mayo or Bill O'Brien.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: Let's say, because Bill O'Brien's been both.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: Up, I think I think at first Craft would have
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: a GM.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have no idea the answer to either one
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: of those questions.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: It's a good one. Is that an owner decision whether
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: or not to have a coach and a GM or
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: is it I mean, yeah, that's that's his choice.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: Of course it is, of course it is. I Now,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: if you if you hire somebody with a high profile,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: like a Parcels or a Bellet, well, at Belichick it
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: not at the time, but if you hire a high
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: profile coach, sometimes they demand that I need to run
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: the ship. You can have a GM all you want,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: but I have final say, and that's the terms that
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: you hire the person under.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: But Belichick got that when he got here. Yeah, I'm
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: trying to think.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: No, Yeah, I mean Andy Wazachuk was here, but he
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: was more of the capologist type guy.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 6: When he got when he huh, when did Peoli come in?
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: He came in with par with Belichick, but Belichick had
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: final say from day one.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 6: He got it.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: Bobby Greer stayed on through the draft, which is a
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: very common practice around the league when that happens. After
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: the draft, he was fired. Peoli was the quote.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: Unquote general manager from day one, but he didn't have
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: final say.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: No final say in the ninety year, finals say in
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 6: the fifty three.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: Or both anything.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: I would agree with Andy got it.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, now did they butt heads, Yeah, they
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: they disagreed, but Bill had final say.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 6: I think that's just the biggest thing. Like I don't
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: necessarily care about the titles, but whoever is running the
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 6: personnel department, whether it's director of player Personnel like mac
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 6: ros title or GM, like, do you have the conviction
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 6: to stand up to the guy that has the final
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: saying and be like, no, we're this is this is
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: not the right decision, Like we're not drafting this guy,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 6: We're drafting that guy. Like that that I think is
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: is I just you gotta have that.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: I just think if there's one thing I've learned over
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: the last few years, it's just how vital the draft
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: is and how those picks are just everything, and it's
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: unfortunate how it all works that, you know, certain teams
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: stink and then they get really good players. But it's
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: just it's everything for this franchise going forward.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: Ryan and Tampa writes in quick question for you all,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: if the Patriots signed d Hop, what would mac Jones
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: need to do this season for you to consider giving
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: him the fifth year option? For example? In my eyes,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: oh sorry, no, Cody, Yeah, I forgot he was there.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: For example, in my eyes, he'd need to have around
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: forty two hundred yards, twenty five touchdowns to ten interceptions.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Would two or more come from behind the games ceiling
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: fourth quota drives. If you can't produce that, I don't
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: think you can comfortably consider him your quarterback of the future.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 6: Definitely giving him the fifth year option.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: If he plays the whole year, he's going to get
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: the fifty year option. And it like for me anyway, Yeah,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: because that means he didn't do anything to lose the job.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: Bill didn't think. I mean, I guess it could be
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: like a Cam Newton year where everybody thought he should
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: have lost the job, but he never did. I suppose
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: that's possible. I don't think that will happen. If he
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: doesn't play well, I think Bill will make a change.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: And if he plays all seventeen games and it's not
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: a disaster, I think he'll get The fifty year option
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: is just too affordable, right, I.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 6: Mean that's a big It's a better question is the
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 6: contract extension because the fifth year option is I mean,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 6: why not, like you have team control over a quarterback
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 6: at an affordable price like there's He would really have
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 6: to have the bottom fallout from underneath him to not
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 6: get the fifth year option.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: Mitch in Albany still hasn't received his T shirt.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: I think he's just busting them on.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: You know, you know what you need to do. You
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: got to turn your mic on first show.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: It was just routed differently because.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you send it with signature required
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: so that you know and.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 9: You know the priority mailed, flat rate prepackaged stuff.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: All you got to do is put it in the mail.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 6: Sure it doesn't need a stamp.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pre stamp.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 9: I don't know about flat ray envelope one ray anyway.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: The post office, like we got a bunch of his
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: T shirts in here, like they're not stamped.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 6: The whole post offices hers in the UK.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: She let us all know.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: Uh Lee in Malvern, UK. Speaking of the UK, see
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: Mike is wearing his.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: Fox post officers walking around with Patriots.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: On filter shirts. I see Mike wearing his Patriots Unfiltered
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: T shirt that looks at fantastic design, so well done
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: whoever produced that. I'm hopeful for the upcoming season, but
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: as a fan, I'm always excited to see the players return.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: I'm concerned that again the majority of doubts seems to
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: be on the offensive side, but I can't root again
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: It's my team and I respect and rely on Patriots
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: Unfiltered to give an honest assessment of what you've seen.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: How long do you think it will take to finally
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: determine if MAC has what it takes after what seemed
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: a wasted year last season? How long will it take?
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: How long will you be able to say mid year, okay.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: About a year and keep MAC a year and a half.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 6: I still just go back to the same thing that
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 6: I keep going, like, what what's your your judgment of
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: what it takes? Like, I just it depends on what
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: you're what you want you have to see it? Yeah,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 6: Like do you want them to be, you know, an
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 6: MVP candidate or do you just want to be Kirk
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 6: Cousins Like I I don't know, like that that's to
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 6: each their own at that point.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know when you see it. I just I
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: don't think any of it can really be determined like
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: in training camp or in joint practices, Like, I don't
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: think anything is really going to convince anybody that he's
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: like turned a corner, that he's excelled. Like it has
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: to happen in the games, and I mean it's everybody
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: wants like what's the stat line? And I just I
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: go back to how does the team look, does the
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: team get behind him, are they able to perform and
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: when when all the pressure is on, or they able
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: to pull some wins out? Like those are the things
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: that I've been missing. I haven't been like, man, if
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: we just had a five thousand yard passer, we'd be fine.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: Like you need to be able to win games, and
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: you know, especially in this league, it's so hard and
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: there's so many good teams that when you have a
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: chance to close a team out, you have to do it.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: And they haven't been able to do it on either
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: side of the ball.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: For a couple.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: I can almost guarantee that when this season plays out
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: and unfolds and we're talking to the offseason next year,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: there's gonna be just as many people saying you gotta
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: give him the fifty air option as there will be
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: saying there's no way I would give him the fifty
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: air option. It's just I can't imagine. But all of
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: a sudden, he's gonna go out there and throw you know,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: eleven touchdowns and sixteen interceptions, and it's gonna be blatantly obvious.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: Or thirty three touchdowns and five interceptions. It's gonna be
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: blatantly obvious. It's gonna be somewhere in the middle where
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: there's going to be you know, wild opinions on both sides.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: It's just the question of where the numbers come, like
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: a what point did the interceptions come to the quarter?
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: It's going to happen, but you know, or stretch like like.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: I've been, you know, obviously very critical in questioning, and
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: I'm always going to point it out. Yeah, yeah, it
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: was great against the Colts, you know, and then someone
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: who has been very positive on him is going to say,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: you know, how can you turn him down? I mean,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: look at you know, sixty nine you know percent completions,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: you know, forty two hundred yards, and they're going to
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: point to that, you know the ep.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: EPA, there you go.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, look at the I mean the only guy
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: in the league. I mean, he's the second best quarterback
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: in football.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 6: If you extrapolate a week nine from week sixteen, Paul,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 6: I mean, he's the third best quarterback in football exactly.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: In scoring points in those weeks. But hey when his own.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 6: It's expected points, fake points.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: Right right, They're great. They're great in the expect against
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: much like they never lost a game that they didn't play, and.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: Do they have upa unexpected points at it, Like we
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: didn't even realize we were gonna get those points. I'll
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: bet you Mahomes is high on that list.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: Be in Brooklyn. I obviously love to have d Hot,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: but kind of like the way the offense is set
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: up now. Two outside guys and Parker and Thornton, two
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: inside guys and born Juju, two very solid tight ends
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: and a great running back. I don't know if I
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: want to get rid of Parker because we'd have a
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: lack of outside guys. But I don't want to get
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: rid of Bourn because he's very good with Mac and
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: has been a great patriot.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 6: A lot of really goods and greats for guys that.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: Ever haven't really done nothing.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: I'm not even I'm not even going to talk about
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: necessarily the caliber of players that we're talking about. Why
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: if you swapped Hopkins for Parker, does that disrupt the
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: inside outside that right?
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: Every team has two outside guys and two you know
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: how good they are, but that's Hopkins. That's how good
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: they are.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: And that's why people think that maybe in I guess
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: we didn't really talk about this. Parker was kind of
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: sort of icy icy good good word yes when asked
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: about Hopkins, because I think that he's he's a veteran
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: and he understands that it potentially could could put him
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: in jeopardy at least his role.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: You know, Evan, didn't you say you saw something? Maybe
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: they should use DeAndre Hopkins kind of like Julian Edelman, stop.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: It Cody in Indiana. I don't really understand that. I
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: don't really understand why everyone says if we signed the
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: hop who gets cut. I'm sure I'm oversimplifying it, but
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: didn't basically, didn't we basically lose two receivers in the
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: offseason and only sign one. We lost Jacobe and only
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: signed Juju. Yes, do we still not have an open spot.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: I know we're hoping one of the late round picks
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: can stick, but still I don't understand why signing Hopkins
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: means we have to move on from Parks or Born.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: It doesn't mean you.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 6: Have It just means that I like we've said in
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 6: the past, it is Parker or Boorn gonna sit on
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 6: the sideline and never play and be happy about that.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 6: Like those two guys deserve to play like their their
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 6: NFL caliber receivers that should be playing somewhere. So it's
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 6: more about like malcontents than.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: Like like last year you had the guys that you
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: just talked about. And you know, first of all, you
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: started off first whatever mini games, four games. I think
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: Thornton was on. IR didn't play at all. Agalow was
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: a bigger part of the offense early on. Boorne was
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: non existent. Then you know, agaloa sort of fell out
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: of favor with the turnovers. He had a couple of
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: balls go off his hands that were picked. He had
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: a fumble, a big foble against Baltimore, so he kind
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: of fell out. Like to Evan's point, you're gonna end
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: up with somebody upset at least one person last year.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: Out last year, I think Agalore and Bourne were upset
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: at various times, and like I said, a quarter of
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: that you didn't even have Thornton. So yeah, you don't
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: have to get rid of one of those guys.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: It's born that would be mine.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: I think there's a chance of that, but you don't
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: have to, Like, no, you can keep You're going to
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: keep five receivers. I don't think a lot of teams
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: have five receivers that you actually we'll think we'll.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: Play a big role on offense.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: Usually like you get down a little bit and it's
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: a guy that might be able to be a return
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: guy or scheduled to Mario.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what I was just going to bring up,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: which is probably a good point to just bring up
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: that Booty wasn't even out there for for mandatory mini
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: camp and and you really didn't see anything out of
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: out of pop as I as I've learned, he likes
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: to be called you know, there was it was the
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: it was the other guys that were forty four. I
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: can't remember his name, but it's like the team I
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: got a block, I got a block on the rally
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: web name, but it was you know, it was the
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: Malie cunninghams. Is the ed Lea's Like those were the
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: guys in the opera.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: Camp, I think. But it was like Trey Nixon last year,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: only not downfield.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: But you'll notice, I mean, I would say generally, I
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: don't know, maybe there's somebody out there doing a roster
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: projection with Malie Cunningham on it, but like I don't, like,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to bang the table for any of
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: those any of those low rate ranking receivers. So you know,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: by that token, I think, yeah, it could just you
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: could just add de Hop and keep everybody. But it's
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: just disappointing because I think you want to keep adding
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: youth to this group, and we know there'll be some turnover.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: I think Borne is a free agent this year regardless
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: if you cut Parker is too, so you know you've
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: got real long term needs at that position. So ideally
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: one of those kids would pop and then maybe you
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: could move on from somebody who's a lame duck.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 6: Pop pop.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: There you go, Uh, Jean and Ottawa. I've been a
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: long time listener to enjoy the show. You guys do
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: a great job too quick requests. First, I'm hoping you'll
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: bring back the three points with Perillo video future you
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: used to have remember that. I think we didn't. You
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: used to do it like from the bowl we'd sit
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: you in.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: Oh, we did it in countless places. But yes, we've
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: done many. From one in the bathroom, shrew it up
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: in one of the suits. We did it in the
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: inside the bowl, we did it the Hall of Fame.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: We've done it a lot of I think.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: That would be good. We put paulam in a stall
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: and he just talks. You don't see him, you just
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: hear him home like no one's and then at the
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: end of the piece you hear the flush. I think.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: I think it's a good button. I love it. Yeah,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: I appreciate the love though.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: Thank you also with all to do your job. Videos
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: produced by the Patriots. How about doing one featuring Pu
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: and your whole group.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 6: It's not that exciting, that's no.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: Well, you never know.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: We could do one and we could sit around and say,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: why don't we do a feature on it? Well, they
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: won't let us do that.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Oh, we could do one on like you know,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: the amazing arguments we have about the Celtics.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 6: That would have been good content.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: That would have been just to burn it off and then.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: We'd have to like censor it while the f bombs
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: were flying.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 4: Well, it was nice if there was something to argue about,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: like I feel like part of this team. It's been
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: hard to like really get into disagreements because you know,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: they haven't been all that good. It's a kind of
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: an you know, it's hard to be like.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: Well, you think it's hard now, at least now there's
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: like positives and negatives. When Iny and I used to
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: do this when they were going fourteen to two, that's
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: when Bill O'Brien used to make fun of us. I
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: don't know how you got do it? You find something that.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: I miss those days where you know, I was the
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: one saying, hey, I think they're pretty good, and Paul
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: and Andy would argue with.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: Me like, like they'll be lucky to make it the
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: super Bowl with the lead a championship.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: We really had to try hard to come up with something.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: But again it was always the disclaimer, assuming that they're
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: gonna win at least twelve games and whether or not
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: they're hosting the AFC Championship game. That's what these concerns
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: have to do with, Like whether or not the fourth
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: string tackle was good enough in case two guys got hurt,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: Like that's what Those are the things.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: The center right now, we're like, who's our first string?
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: Those are the guys.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: Those are the things we used to argue about.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 9: Uh.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: Philippe in Rio de Janeiro love the summer coverage of
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: the team. How does Juju's injury impact the evaluation of
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: this team's decision to acquire him instead of keeping Jacobe
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: Meyers A good question.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have the answer, but question chairpoint.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, the the only right side I could say
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: about Juju was at least he was here, like he
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: wasn't like I mean, he wasn't here when they went
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: Kansas City went to the White House. But he was here.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: He's here for minicamp. He just wasn't on the field,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: you know, So it's not like he's not here.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: Right and he is in meetings, and I think Lawrence
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: Guy is the only guy that was.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 6: We did also see some of the photos from the
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 6: practices that we were not invited to He was at
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 6: least in one picture, so he I think they he
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: was out there maybe, but yeah, I don't know much
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 6: about his situation, but it sounds like Taekwon was was
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 6: really just playing it safe. In the spring.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: Phelipe says, I'm ready to go ahead and take an
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: early shot at the decision one I was not on
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: board from at the start. Jujus is marginally better than
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Jacoby at best and has an injury issue that prevented
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: him from joining the team for midiicamp on his first
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: season with the team, So Philip put Philip down for
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: not liking the decision.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think it'll be an interesting one to
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: kind of watch because, like I've said many many times,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: Jacoby always produced, whether he was Tom Brady, Cam Newton.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: You know, he wasn't the biggest needle mover on the offense,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: but he knew what he was doing. He was reliable,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: he always spoke always, you know, had had good not
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: I would say good things, but you know, it was
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: always willing to talk and gave honest answers. And you
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: know it's it's it's gonna be hard for Juju to
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: top what Jacob the guy Jacoby was off the field.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: I think he can top him on the field, but
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: I got to see and Jacoby was, you know, until
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: this year. He got hurt a bunch, but he didn't consistent.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: And that's why I've always called it a wash. Is
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: not because I didn't think like Juju Smith Schuster, whatever
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: year I think it was eighteen, whatever year it was,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: he had a year that Jacoby Myers is not capable of.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 6: Ye eighteen.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: He's like when he came into the league with a
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: higher level of talent than Jacoby Myers had because he
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: was a receiver. The injuries to me have evened it
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: in my in my opinion. Now some people still think
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: it's fine. I'm not gonna split hers, but that's that's
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: that's the big concern for me is did he ever
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: get that explosiveness back?
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah? You know, can he run like?
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: Can he run like?
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: And that's what makes him better than Jacoby, you know,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: like those things with the ball like that Jacob didn't
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: really have, Like he get in the right spot. But
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: he's you know, he's not going to turn a ten
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: or twelve yard completion into like a thirty forty yard
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: scoring play unless he's throwing the way.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 6: I honestly think that that's what it came down to,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 6: which we talked about in March, was just this Bill
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 6: O'Brien offense, and what Bill O'Brien is all about is
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 6: catch and run, Like he wants guys that can catch
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 6: and run the football, you know, hit him over the
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 6: middle of the field and pick up go from an
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 6: eight yard slamt be turning into a twenty yard game.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 6: And that just wasn't Jacoby's game. I just think from
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 6: a skill set perspective, he Juju fits better with the
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 6: style of offense that they want to play. But he's
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 6: got to be out there obviously. So it's a good question.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: Uh. Doctor James, who's our resident cartoonist, says, I know
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: that you guys, especially evanly influenced by the newer statistical tools,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: it's really important. But today you all talked about clutch
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: plays and that made me want to ask a question
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: that has been on my mind for a while. To
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: what extent do you rate the importance of these intangible
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: or immeasurable factors like clutch or gamer or locker room guy.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: How much of what's important in football is this quantifiable stuff.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: Yea fourth quarter comebacks. I mean that's a you know,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: QB stat hashtag.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: But I give Evan credit because a lot of Evans
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: fellow stat nerds do not believe in clutch, do not
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: believe in it.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 6: They think they don't believe in momentum either, you know,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 6: as that.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: At bats and the same as in the third ding
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: and you know, plays in the fourth quarter, the same
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: as those in the A lot of I'm not making
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: that up. A lot of analytically driven people do not
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: believe in that.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: Don't tell me there's no such thing as momentum. I
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: saw the twenty eight three game. I mean, do not
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: ever tell me there's no such thing as momentum.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: So you saw that?
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: What was that?
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 8: Like?
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's anyone that saw that and says, oh,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: momentum is not a real thing, then that was it?
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: That was it right there?
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 6: It might be like harder to like David Ortiz's grand
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 6: slam against the Tigers in the ALCS, one of the
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 6: clutches of clutch moments in the history of sports, Like
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 6: you're telling me that that wasn't like a thing.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: And got him? Is he's done? He did it.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: A lot right, you know, they're.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 6: Down four runs in the ALCS and he hits a
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 6: grand Slam to tie the game and like the eighth
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 6: and eighth.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: But what happens is the guys that pushed back on this,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: And I've heard a lot of conversations about this, and
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: it's something that really sticks in my head.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: You know, they'll they'll point to the numbers that don't
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: back that up. You know, like Derek Jeter has always
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: been considered a clutch player, but if you look at
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: his his overall numbers, they're not really any better in
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: the postseason than they are. That's not the point. It's
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: not it's not how you it's not what we're.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: Talking about the situation.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: It's like, like Evin talks about with David Oatiz, there
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: were very very rare times when you really need a
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: hit here that he didn't come through. Now, no one,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: you know, comes through every time. But when you have
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: a guy like, in my opinion, if a guy's a
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: three hundred hitter in baseball and he hits three hundred
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: with basis loaded two outs in the ninth inning, that's
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: far more impressive. Like to say that that's the same
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: as the regular season is wrong. Because it's much harder
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: in the second scenario than it is the first. And
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: the same thing with the fourth quarter, like you well,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: you know, his passer rating is really no better in
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: the fourth quarter while trailing than it is in the
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: first quarter.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: But it's enormously different. The defense is a playing If
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: the defense is coming after.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: You, you have like if you would throw one incipley pass,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: the games over like that, that whole Tom Brady comeback,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: Like one time they have to punt in the fourth
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: quarter of the game's over or turn it over on
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: fourth on downs because obviously they wouldn't.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: He had to score every single time. You don't think
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: that's harder to perform in than regular time.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: And on the game tying drive in that game against
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: the Falcons, Brady was under pressure. I mean they were
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: hitting him. He was standing in the brora taking the
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: hit and and to me, that's clutch, that's mental. He
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: didn't let it get to him. You know, some guys
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: have it and others don't, so you can.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: Play the same. So there's nothing that you could point to. Well,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: you know it really is. It really doesn't change, that's
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: the point. Like Joe Montana, he never changed when it
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: was the Super Bowl, he played the same as he did.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: In every Young Candy. You know.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: That's that to me, is an enormous intangible that can't
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: be quantified.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: I feel a little biased, but I kind of feel
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: like hockey and I maybe would say baseball too, are
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 4: sports that are very conducive to momentum because there's such
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: a float to those games. And it does. I do
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: think it exists in football too, but you know, it
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: gets a lot more broken up where you have like
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: our special teams and then we're gonna kick an extra
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: point and then we've got to kick off and you know,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: so it's a little hard to maintain it. But I
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, you guys could probably speak a little bit better
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: to basketball, but I just, you know, know, playing refing hockey,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: like there are just times where you're like, we're up
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: against it right now, like you know, and and it
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: can change in the blink of an eye. Like I
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: don't think that it's a thing where like we're really struggling,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: like it only takes once one little play to shift momentum.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: But I firmly believe in the people.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: Call a lot of this stuff intangibles. I think it's
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: all tangible. I think it's all tangible. Well, I mean,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: it's you know.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: Tangible about it.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: You can like you can tell a guy who's clutch,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: like he shows you over and over, Like you don't
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: earn clutch until you've done it many times. But once
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: you've done that's tangible. Like this guy's clutch. Larry Bird
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: is a clutch player.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: No, but what I'm saying is you don't know that
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: guy hazard until you see him do it right. That's
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: why it's in intangible. You can't quantify it heading into
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: till afterwards. Yeah, now you can say he was clutching
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: those games, right. And it's the same thing like if
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: you start off your career and you fail in a
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: lot of those spots, you get that knock that you
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: don't come through in the clutch. But if you if
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: you start off the you know, like Alex Rodriguez is
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: a guy who was always bashed in baseball because he
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: never did it when it counted well, and then all
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: of a sudden in two thousand and nine, he had
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: an unbelievable postseason when the Yankees. You know, younger folks
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: might not remember the Yankees last one in the world series.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: It's quite a while ago two thousand.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 6: And nine they were also juice.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean the whole league was juiced then, just
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: the Yankees. But so does that mean that he had
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: it all along?
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: No Price a great example, but Derek Jeter's over.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: But then, like, how about the example of Tom Brady who,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: like his first Super Bowl, he executes like gave him
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: a chame winning drive and you know, and then it
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: was like it was just on with him. I mean,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: then he did it again and O three like he
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: had it.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: So now if he doesn't come through with the game
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: on the line on a certain time, no one's gonna
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: call him a choker because he's done it.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: Because he's done it, you know.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: What I'm saying, whereas the guy who chokes all Like,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: no one would say that a Rod is a clutch player.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 4: I certainly wouldn't.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't say Derek Jeter was a clutch player.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: Well, that's just that's Josh Allen esque, right, Actress, I
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: wouldn't say that a Rod is a clutch player. He
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: was incredibly clutched once, yeah, But but I wouldn't say
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: that that diminished, you know, that that overshadows the rest
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 4: of his career. What he had many opportunities to perform
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: in big spots and didn't come through, like.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: You know, like Edelman, a ridiculously Edelman and Welker. So
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: many of the players came on third down when you
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: knew it was going obviously we're going to have to pass,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: and they still made.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: The play, but Welker.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 6: But this is why Welker is not in our Hall
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 6: of Fame, right.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: Because of that one yeah play, which I still say
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: he's a clutch player, right, I still say he's a
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: clutch play.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: Of course he was. But again, it's intangible.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's tangible.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: I believe it's tangible because you're basically go on what
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: you see, which is the very definition of to be fair.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: Seven.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 6: We can we can quantify some of it at this point. Yeah,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 6: you can quantify some of it.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is a guy's performance is unaffected
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: by the situation. No, I get that, That's what I'm talking, right,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: But I can tell you.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 6: I can tell you, like what Tom Brady's passer rating
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 6: is in a one score game in the fourth quarter
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 6: versus Aaron Rodgers is passer rating in a one score
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 6: game in the fourth quarter, and let me tell you,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 6: Tom Brady's is a lot better. Right, I can tell
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 6: you these things. I don't know if that does it
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 6: for you, but.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: Right, but can you tell me how many catches Wes
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: Welker has in the fourth quarter of one score games
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: as opposed.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: To like you know, like, so, do you call him
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: a choker or not? Like, yeah, I can, but you
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: think he's a choker?
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 6: No, but I can tell you but he's dropped to one.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: Like that's my point, Like you don't know what's going
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: on at the particular time. I think that's The numbers
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: only tell you so much, right, because there's no context
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: behind them.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: Colin writes in I've been enjoying, I've been drawing the
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: spring OTAs and what they bring. But any whisper of
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: struggling offense makes me nervous and causes my little hope
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: bubble to begin to shrink. I think with Gaseki we
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: have upgraded from nothing to something at tight end at
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: tight end two. But with why receiver, I feel really
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: nervous about going into the season with what we have. Lastly,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: I'm feeling nervous about all the d hop talk, really
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: hoping it happens. But the longer it goes and the
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: more the media hypes it up into uh, in my opinion,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: the less likely we are to sign him. We've seen
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: Bill make splash signings, but also a lot of low
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: balling top wide receiver talent. I fear that is where
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: we're heading. Question, if we don't get d hop are
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: there any other moves you can see us making?
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 10: No?
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: I mean they've got two roster spots open right now.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: I mean we mentioned the tackle position, where I think
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: you just probably need more depth. I mean, I don't
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: know what else to tell you. The ideally you'd need
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: a starter, but I don't know, I don't know.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 6: I think the week is to Tony Hopkins. Thing is
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 6: so rare because it's June sixteenth and DeAndre Hopkins is available,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 6: Like that's this just doesn't happen, you know. So he's
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 6: kind of it like there's there's not going to be
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 6: another DeAndre Hopkins level player. I mean, I guess you
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 6: could say Dalvin Cook, but it's a separate position in
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 6: a whole different argument.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: So I just know, waite deadline, wait till the trade deadline,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: and then I mean that might be and then and
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: at that point, you're like, are we a team that
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: is at a crossroads and feel like we're a player
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: away from really making a push, And you know, is
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: it even does it even matter at that point to
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: make the trade?
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: George and Maryland rights in two things O seven, I
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: knew we were going to lose the Super Bowl when
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: the Giants beat the Packers. The way they played week
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: seventeen had me shook The twenty eleven super Bowl hurt
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: more from twenty ten Super Bowl hurt more from me?
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: I think he meant eleven. Yeah, and two, Evan, you
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: kind of threw out thirty five twenty eight. I don't
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: think any team is putting up thirty five points of
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: this defense this year.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, I wouldn't think that. I think that's crazy talk.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I wouldn't agree. Philly, Dallas, Kansas City, Buffalo.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 6: I'm not telling you that any of those teams can
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 6: put up there.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell you they're all going. But
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: so you're telling me like Christian Gonzales and key On
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: White in replace of Devin mccordy is gonna prevent all
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: the the thirty point games they allowed last year.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: I think it's it's just a matter of like what
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: it does. It's like, like Evan said, Christian Gonzales puts
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: people in the right place.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: I understand that. I think they they I think it
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: makes I think they have a chance to be better
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: on defense, but that much better. Well, you're not going
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: to allow the best teams in the league.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: Score nobody Like, No, that's that's not reasonable.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 4: Well that's what you just suggested. No one's putting up
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: thirty five.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: On I didn't say that, Georgian Marrison.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: That's what this guy just said.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, five times last year they gave up thirty plus.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: Like five times. Yeah, so let's make that two times.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: And now you're playing a schedule that's twice as difficult.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 6: But can we also like win a game thirty eight
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 6: thirty five? Like, is that that's an option?
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: I mean I got over thirty and they're like, well
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 4: that's it. We can't beat them. Now get over twenty five.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 6: That's that's the magic number in the Mac Jones era,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 6: twenty five points that they're like owing like thirteen or
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 6: something like that when the opponent scores more than twenty
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 6: five points.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: Since Mac they toe twenty five six times last year.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's just that's the problem. Like, okay, you
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 6: can top twenty five against you know, like Roy, like
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 6: the Bill, like the Bills game. Excuse me, the Browns
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 6: game when you just are you beat him by three touchdowns?
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: How many times over?
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: Twenty five? Five?
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 6: Two of the mom's happy stop it?
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Uh well the Ravens they got twenty six, which
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: I thought, you know, for a minute, was was they
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 4: were kind of going back and forth a little bit
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: with them.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 18: There was a little it was a little pushback and
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 18: went yep, twenty nine against Detroit, thirty against Cleveland, twenty
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 18: six on Indy, twenty six on the Vikings, twenty seven
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 18: on the on the Cardinals.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 6: And there was back and forth in Minnesota too, until
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 6: there wasn't you know, I mean that game was fourth quarter?
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Cardinals. One was defensive.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 6: Points Hunter Henry should scored, by the way, but beside.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well how many of those were defensive points because Duggart.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: They had a touchdown against the Cardinals, And would they
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: score against the Raiders twenty four?
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: Right? Uh yeah, Kyle Ramon and Tampa loving the PU shirt, Deuce,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: who would you rather game one? Would you have been
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: more okay with the Panthers winning or the Heat Florida Panthers.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 6: More okay, Florida Panthers.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say the Heat because I don't because I
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 4: have Bruce Cassidy.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 6: No, because I just I don't like mine.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: I would have said I was I don't like. Yeah,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: I didn't want. I wasn't rooting for either one of them.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: But I would have been more okay with the Heat
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: winning because I was rooting for Bruce Cassidy.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: Why were you rooting for Bruce Cassid.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: Because I like them. I thought he did a good
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: job as the pace.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: So you think he got done dirty here?
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: Not necessarily. I think in that league especially, I think
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: there's a shelf life and I think that had probably come.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: I don't like the way they did it. I don't
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: like the way they allowed the players to dictated so
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: so blatantly. But I think you did a really good
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: job as the Bruins coach did, and I was rooting
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: for him to win. Does that I mean I was.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: I assume that goes against you a fan boy, Prido, Yes,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: like you you had a root against him because he
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: used to.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: I mean it was remarkable. I'm always here five year
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: six they were, I mean, and they were always a
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 4: real good regular season. I mean they had their flameouts
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 4: and we you know, and it was always the secondary
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: scoring thing or Tuca you know, didn't quite come through
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 4: in the clutch like we were talking about. But so yeah,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: team I looked at that.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 6: I thought he was here for the Blackhawks Cup too,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 6: but that was still clod Jillian. Yeah, so it was
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 6: one one cupp run in nineteen that they lost in
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 6: obviously game seven, But I.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: Thought he was better than Clode even though Cloude had
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 4: more success or postseason success.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is really would you rather? But he says,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: which AFC East opponent would you love to see have
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: a tragic meltdown that last five years?
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: Buffalo right now easily see that to me is Miami.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 4: That's I hate Miami. I've always hated Miami. That's always
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: been the team in the division. I disliked the.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: Moment, But to me, we'll watch them exactly why right now?
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: I got to see Don Shula on the sideline making
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: all the rules, you know, just completely dominating the league.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it's because Bills are so dominant now,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: a meltdown for them would be a much, you know
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 6: To me, it's about Bill's mafia. I just don't like
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 6: the go go back into your little caves and be quiet,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 6: all right.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: The thing about them that really irritated me is they
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: will go me three and thirteen and they were the same.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: They're the same as they.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 6: Are insufferable and and I have you know, the Twitter
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 6: friends you know with some of them, and I love
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 6: them all, but like they're their fandom is insufferable, and it's.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: Unlike the Patriots.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 6: No, it's insufferable because they are not the Patriots, right,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 6: but they they act correct. They act like they have
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 6: a seat at the table. They haven't won a thing
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 6: with this era or ever like, and yet they act
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 6: like they they can talk.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 4: They'll carry themselves like they've won a long.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 6: Like they can talk smack to Patriots fans, it's like,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 6: what are you talking about? Like you have not one
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 6: a single thing. Your your history is choking, Like that's
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 6: your history. You are four Super Bowls in a row,
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 6: losing all four of them, Like you know how hard
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 6: that is to lose all four?
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: I'd like keep losing. The new stadium goes bankrupt. They
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: moved to Toronto, Okay, that's a little bit.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: Mean.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 6: I just really don't like Phil's mafia.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: The first time I ever saw Pete Carroll on the
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: sideline not chopping on his gum.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: Finally, would you rather Bill gives up drafting but stays
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: as the coach or bring in a whole new regime.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 4: Whole new regime, Yeah, a whole new region. You're not
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: gonna do that. Just you gotta divorce yourself with that idea,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: Like it's it's all or nothing with him.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 6: But in this scenario, the same coach I would. I
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 6: would co have Bill coach, Yeah.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: But I just want to change with just like the
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: defensive side though.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 6: That's what he's really good at.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: Well, that's that's what excess. Somehow no one found no
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 4: somehow no one found any problem with that refreshed. I mean,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: just like totally different guys I've been talking about on
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: your shows.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 6: They've been talking about that all week.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: Oh I know, I'm talking about the right like us
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: talking about our colleagues. That one slipped by everybody.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 6: I know, we don't like talk about this stuff a ton,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 6: But to me, out of all of the of the
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 6: jabs that back has ever taken at Bill that to
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 6: me was the biggest one of all of them publicly, but.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: Do you agree, like in terms of the writers, no
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: one really made much of it.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm surprised, biggest one by I would just I'm
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 6: glad this.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: Came up, because this was another thing I wanted to
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: Obviously you high five to well.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 10: No.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 4: I wanted to bring it up because I think, you know,
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: we talk all about how the offense, defense look and
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: all the things. I think that this team might have
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: an issue. They're still they're still thinking about last year,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: and I think that there's so much kind of kind
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: of going around. And I'm usually not one to like
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: really try to read between the lines of everything they say,
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: but it's been hard these last few press avails when
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: you to hear from Kendrick Bourne and and of course
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: I mean even Tom. You know, Tom Current said it
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: to him like, you know, you realize when you say
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: this stuff that we're gonna take it, and you know,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: he didn't really seem to care. I don't want to
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: like overstate it, but I do think that there is
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: still elements of last year that are that are are
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: affecting this team right now. And I think that you know,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: you want to talk about tackle and receiver, all those things.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: Like if they don't get this stuff behind them and
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: get on the same page for twenty twenty three, I
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: think that might be the biggest issue of all of them.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: And I felt like that the first day of the
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: first OTA when Mac talked and came right out and said,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: it's been good, it's been normal. Like I think that
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: was a reference to what wasn't normal last year. Yep, Tell,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: and I just you know, it's a whole year later,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: it's time to And I don't think Bill's done a
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: great job of putting in the past either. I don't
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: mean to put this all on Mac. I think Bill
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: hasn't done well great well, I mean certainly not from
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: you know, an optic standpoint, seemingly hasn't done a great job.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: Of putting that in the past.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: I agree, And moving on with Mac himself, he says
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: it to us everybody, he has a clean slate, but
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: it doesn't look like it.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 6: From saying that Bill's value to him is to dissect
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 6: the defense because he's really good at defense, and like
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 6: that that is a shot right across the ego.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: And do you think that, I mean, we're talking about this.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: I think he was kind of, you know, just talking
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: and thinking that way. I don't I think if you
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: asked himself, I didn't mean it that way, and I
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: think he'd be honest. I think it came out that way,
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: but I don't think he.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: Meant and I and I'm willing to give some wiggle
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: room with him, but.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: The tonnage of everything, I mean, right now, his focus
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: is Bill O'Brien is my offense guy, and Bill Belichick
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: is my head coach. And if I'm gonna think of
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: him as you know, on field, it's defense. And I
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: think that's what he was thinking, and he's probably right
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: right now. I mean, his daily interaction on offense is
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: You know, I just I think coming off and I
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 4: think I've had come out of nowhere a couple of
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: times with you guys in the office and just like,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: because watching that last week, what was that last year?
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 4: What were they doing? Like, because it's even more glaring
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: to me now, was of like, you know, look now
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 4: we're seeing Adrian Clown, Billy Yates, they're working with the
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 4: offensive lineman. It looks normal. Remember last year when Matt
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: Patricia would like coach. Then he'd run over to the
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 4: offensive like it's just all these things now in.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: Retrospect, and what was Joe Judge doing?
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: What the hell was going on? And it was and
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: to the point of Paul that, well that was last year,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: like well, the season ended yesterday, like you know, like
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, I don't know if what has
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 4: been said to the players, but it's just clean. It
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 4: doesn't feel like it's ever been put to bed really
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 4: and optically, like I haven't seen evidence that it's been
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: put to bed.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: Uh Kyle and Pembroke. Personally, I'm not too worried about
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: Connor McDermott starting at right tackle. He was our best
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: right tackle last season and played well at the end
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: of the season. While I don't think he's a great tackle,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: I do think he can hold his own. I'm predicting
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: that they have him start the first couple of weeks
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: while they the Metro Stitcher at tackle.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it's fine. You had the whole off
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: season to upgrade this guy, so you're okay with.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 6: I got it. Yours your version is better.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: Well, but based on the newation of his urban guy city,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: so Metro stitches.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: Well, he's uh means something different.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 4: A litigious swine.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: Metro means something different.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say litigious swine.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: Like litigious swine, litigious swine. But that's Sue.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 4: So no one, no one accidentally swears more in this
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: show than Deuce.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: Unbelieve it messed.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: Up my pun.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: But no have we decided is it so? Is it
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: city is?
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: It's a good point that urban I thought it was Sue.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 6: So everybody's saying it's so.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: Sue. Okay, soise hands if you're thinking so I.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: But the email brings us he could he could factor
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: into and they continue to use him a lot at
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: tackle in these spring camps. He could factor into the
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: mix too. Let's not get lost with with Connor mcderbott
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: was serviceable based on what they asked him to do
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 3: last year coming off a team's practice squad. Again, I know,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: Isaiah Win is no longer a Patriot, so he wasn't
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: better than Isaiah Win. Isaiah Win had a miserable year
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: last year, and he still wasn't better than Isaiah Win.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: I mean they just had a problem tackle last year.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: I mean call it what it is that I think
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: given what he was asked to do the circumstances. I
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: give him an a plus Connor McDermott for what he
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: was asked to do. It wasn't a disaster.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 4: He's still Connor, and it's still just if you have
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: a like he's fine, like well in the off season,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 4: that's when you upgrade those guys.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 6: That's what the whole I just go back to that
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 6: pre draft press conference with Macro and he stood up
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 6: there and he's and he rattled off all the names
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 6: that they had on the tackle depth chart like they
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 6: were like, oh, worre set of tackle, like you know,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 6: we're fine there, And it's just that is gonna if anything,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 6: I really feel like that's gonna end up being this
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 6: offense's Achilles heel, is the protection. And to just go
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 6: back to how they felt in April, it just I'm
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 6: not saying I would have taken Broder Jones over Christian Ganzale,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 6: like I'm we're all happy with Christian Gonzalez, but they
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 6: had there were other tackles available on Day two and
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 6: early Day three that they let pass by that now
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 6: it's just really looking like a mistake. If this is
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 6: how it's gonna.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: Go, Okay, Howie says it was a design mess in
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: my opinion last year, and then he says Belichick needs
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: one more draft and free agent to truly contend for
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: the walk off Super Bowl? Wow?
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: Patrick, does that? Does that drafted include that like like
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 4: a bona fide top five quarterback?
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know, because they're not. I mean, like, unless
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: something dramatically changes, they're not contending for Super Bowl as
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: is with this quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Oh come on.
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  Speaker 6: So we do have we do have a pronunciation guide
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  Speaker 6: from bart I'm assuming this is from college, and it
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  Speaker 6: says that watches that it's city like, like Boston is
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  Speaker 6: a city and it's so sao like cow.
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  Speaker 3: So we were told that that's not how that city soo,
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  Speaker 3: that's how.
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  Speaker 8: That's how we got the pig in an urban it's
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  Speaker 8: a cow in an urban setting, sau cow. But a
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  Speaker 8: sow is a pig is a pig, so is a pig.
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  Speaker 2: I grew up, believe me.
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  Speaker 3: Different.
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  Speaker 4: The cheerleaders there, I guy, some of those are my
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  Speaker 4: good friends.
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  Speaker 2: I used to work at the Compass Lounge and the Cape.
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  Speaker 2: Remember Dennis, we used to have what they call whole
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  Speaker 2: hog night girls ring free. I'm sorry what they called
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  Speaker 2: it whole hog night.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I thought that meant something different.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Oh no, that was your Chippendale's place. Oh thunder
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  Speaker 2: down under all right, we've devolved, all right, hr all right.
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  Speaker 2: Alex Uh. They'll take you through everything they believe is
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  Speaker 2: true and what is myth when it comes to what
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  Speaker 2: they watched at the Combine I'm not the combine at
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  Speaker 2: the mini camps. And then they'll talk about d hop
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure a little bit, and perhaps some other nonsensical things.
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