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Millennials vs. Gen X: Bridging the Generational Divide with Thomas Carpaneto · Let's Get Naked

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, and this is Let's Get Naked.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_03: The show where we expose the patterns, challenge the stories, and share the G codes that make life a whole lot easier.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_03: I think one of the biggest mistakes we make is believing the generation before us got it wrong, and the generation after us is getting it wrong too.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Gen X.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_03: Today's guest is a millennial.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_03: On paper, we're supposed to drive each other nuts.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_03: Gen X was raised to figure it out, suck it up and keep moving.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_03: Millennials taught the world that mental health matters, that boundaries matter, and maybe suffering doesn't deserve a gold medal.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_03: And here's the funny part they're both right.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_03: Resilience without self-awareness turns into burnout.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_03: Self-awareness without resilience turns into fragility.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_03: The sweet spot is somewhere in the middle.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe Gen X can teach millennials how to weather the storm.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe millennials can teach Gen X that it's okay to come inside once in a while instead of pretending you're not getting vote.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_03: Because every generation inherits something worth keeping and something worth leaving behind.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_03: The goal isn't to prove our generation was the best.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_03: The goal is to steal the best from every generation that became before and after us.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_03: That's how we evolve.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_03: So today isn't about Gen X versus millennials.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's about what happens when we stop defending our generation and start learning from each other.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_03: Let's get naked.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_03: Today I'm stripping it all off with Thomas Carpinetto.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_03: Thomas is my eldest daughter's person and a millennial in the tech field.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_03: Looking forward to our conversation.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to the show, Thomas.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for having me.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_02: I appreciate it.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_03: So this having the idea of having Thomas on the show kind of was born around the dining room table because we have lots of conversations at our house.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_03: And in our house, all of the topics are on the table.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_03: And it is, right?
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_03: Whether you like it or not, right?
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_03: You know, for from someone that's coming into the scene last couple of years, it's probably a little bit jarring at first because I think we talk about things that a lot of families don't, and also that's just how we roll.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_02: You don't, and I truly love that, honestly.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's refreshing.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_02: Very, very much so, yeah, to be able to actually say what you're gonna say and then and be yourself and have, you know, not that met with some of the things that I imagine we're gonna talk about.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_02: You know, don't show weakness, don't show this, you know, that this is appropriate, this isn't appropriate, things that the uh you know older generation maybe was more uh inclined to believe about things, you know, like saving face and whatnot.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_02: So it's it is very refreshing to be able to just say whatever it is and you know have a conversation about it.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, it's great.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and and and no one blows up, right?
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_03: We can all talk about all of our different things and also disagree with one another.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_03: I think, you know, when you were over most recently and and we're having dinner and you and Cameron are sitting there talking, it's like everyone just loves that.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone loves you guys being able to just talk about things from completely different points of view and also respect one another and understand.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I think when you come into a conversation from a perspective of wanting to understand instead of defend, um, because we're not coming to attack one another, it's like here's my uh here's my perspective based on the different things that have led up to who I am as a human being, and coming from a place of curiosity about what yours are uh to understand, right?
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, how beautiful it is.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_03: And sometimes my mind changes because my consciousness expands and my awareness of things expands, or I'm interested in, or you know, get a different point of view that I didn't have before.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_03: I just think that's such a beautiful thing.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_03: And so I just, you know, having you come on was just really important to be able to showcase that to other people.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_03: And we'll get into, you know, some of the things throughout the show about differing opinions on stuff and what does that look like?
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_03: And um, kind of I would love your perspective.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe we can start with your perspective on how millennials maybe see Gen X is, uh, as far as like, God, these fucking Yay holes have it, you know, because I because I know there's a lot of that from both sides, and there's nothing that you can say that's gonna hurt my feelings.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_03: I understand.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_02: And and yeah, no, I I I think that I have always came from that mindset as well, which uh thankfully, because I mean, as far as looking at uh the the influences I've had in my own life, I'm not really sure why I have that mindset.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_02: So not sure where that came from, but I have always attempted my best to uh listen with the purpose of understanding.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_02: Because it is important to have um, you know, different perspectives, different people, different uh avenues.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and really just uh keeping, you know, I almost call it like a cabinet, you know.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_02: I think of uh uh when uh people to around you completely different perspectives that you should be listening to, or that you respect that person's uh judgment, intelligence, whatever, enough to say, you know, whatever you're gonna say, it might be completely left field, doesn't really matter to me.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's another way to consider something.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_02: And and that may not always be the case, but sometimes it is.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's important to have that.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's easy to get, you know, siloed.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_02: And to your point, um, a lot of that is, I think, becoming a silo.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_02: So uh I I wouldn't say it's like everybody, right?
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_02: But I do think that a lot of millennials see like Gen X as just these people that are unwilling to change, unwilling to um reassess their situations, unwilling to do this, kind of like, you know, a very much a good example, like you you were just using.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's okay to come inside.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you don't have to pretend you're not getting soaked.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: You're sitting there.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you know, I'm not cold.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, in your shorts and it's like, no, you're you're fucking cold.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_02: And it's fine.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_02: I, you know, you're not a bitch.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's it's all right.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_02: Let's let's get a jacket.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's it's okay.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_02: You know, yeah.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um we can still, you know, go out and do whatever and and like it's okay.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_02: You know, yeah.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: Well, there has to be a common ground there.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's funny to use that example because I think a lot of the Gen Xers come from this perspective of it almost feels like an assault on how weak other generations behind us have gotten.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and it's our own doing also, because you know, we're the ones that are like, oh, let me take all the pain away for you so you don't have to deal with it.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's what builds strength.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_03: So we've done it to ourselves, right?
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_03: So there's no one to be upset about.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_03: But also understanding that we don't have to be so tough.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_03: You can carry that uh, you know, that weight around as much as you want, or you can set it down, and that's also fine too.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_03: And it doesn't have to be a sign of weakness, right?
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_03: That's I think what people people see, you know, in the Gen X generation, it's the latch key kids, the, you know, they had commercials on TV that reminded parents that they fucking had kids at eight, 10 o'clock at night.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, there were literally commercials that would come on TV and say, at 10, do you know where your kids are?
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_03: Literally, like, I'm not kidding you.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_02: I just I think I'm feeling it.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_03: Seriously.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_03: And and also thinking about like we were raised without phones.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like the summer months are you leave at eight o'clock in the morning and you don't come back until dark.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_03: You know, the light, streetlights come on or whatever.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_03: That's wild to even think about having those kind of times in nowadays.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_03: And also super freeing.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I feel like I got the b best of all generations with the age that I am, because it's like I got to be a complete asshole as a teenager, and there's no photographic evidence of it.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_03: Like we got in savage trouble.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_03: And there's like, there wasn't, there's no pictures, there's no like, hey, oh my God.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_03: And now it's everything is documented.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_03: You can't get away from it.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_03: Once you put something out on the internet, it's there forever.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, there's different dynamics that we're dealing with, but let's learn from one another, you know.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I I think that like it's funny you mentioned that because that is something that I actually like really value from my own childhood, is that exact uh concept when there wasn't school and whatnot.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_02: It was like I would just leave, you know, whatever time.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_02: And that was the that was the thing.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like come home when the streetlights uh were on, and uh the phone kind of enabled it to be a little further, like, oh, I'm just gonna text you on the streetlight.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like, do you mind if I stay a little bit longer?
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_02: And so there was a bit more of an open communication, but that was still, you know, like the the T9 or whatever they used to call it, you know, pressing every button and everything.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_02: So it was, it was there, like when I uh was, you know, 10, you know, 15, you know, that kind of that sort of age.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_02: I played a lot on along the streets and just you know with children in the neighborhood.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that was awesome.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I really, I really appreciate it, appreciated those times.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like those are not really something that exists anymore.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I wouldn't necessarily consider myself, you know, a crazy kid, but I, you know, I, you know, randomly go into like sewers and stuff and like, you know, do do random things and just you know, just do kids' stuff.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's like an important thing to get to experience without the um constant uh like observer in you, believing like, is this going to be and and maybe kids aren't thinking that way, but I think on sub a subconscious level you are to understand and be integrated with uh, you know, I think about like iPad kids and the people that are on like the kids' versions of YouTube and all this stuff.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like, there's all these like filters and trying to get this content.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's like there, there's so much of this stuff trying to prevent um things from being exposed to children too early.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that regardless of whether that's something you're understanding in the moment, I think to know that there is so much content, there is so many people um out there talking about, you know, whatever the topic is, it could be totally innocent.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_02: The a game you like and like Minecraft is like a big thing for kids, at least for my what I understand, um, a lot of the streamers, there's all sorts of different stuff in avenues.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: I think you un start to understand, like, I am not alone.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: There is actually never a time in which I am alone.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: And that is, you would almost think that would be a good thing to say that, but it's it's not a good thing.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: It it is it is good to be able to be to know that you are alone, that you aren't being recorded or watched or anything like that.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_02: And I think on a subconscious level, um, some of these people, you know, in the in the even generations a little bit um older than me, or I guess younger than me rather, yeah, um, are experiencing that to an extent that uh I didn't have.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I kind of was in the beginning of, you know, I I had like an hour to play on the computer and um, you know, had AOL dial up and all that kind of stuff.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_02: So it wasn't really what it is today.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_03: But just on the cusp.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_03: Be alone with your own thoughts.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like that's the thing that the thing that you're saying, I think, is really, really important.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_03: So when you when you talk about millennials and do you find that most people had the opportunity and do understand that how the importance of that concept of being alone?
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_03: Because I understand it as a Gen X, and I think we do and understand that you like maybe we don't know what to do with our emotions, but we know that like not having all of the noise is a really great thing because I think society just throws noise and it starts.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's just constant.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you you pick up your device and there's noise everywhere, and it's telling you what to be outraged on, what to think about things.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's just it's really disgusting.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_02: It is, it's a very controlling situation, regardless.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: And it's it's interesting, kind of like the almost hands-off approach that some of this stuff takes as far as uh, you know, like YouTube and all this stuff.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone talks about the algorithms, and as someone who kind of understands that, it's it's almost like a caveat of like, oh, you know, our hands are tied because like we're only, you know, going showing you the content that is pushing people to the platform.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: And so you would think it would be connecting the audience with the video, but the video itself kind of becomes the audience.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_02: It almost reverses itself because of how much this happens.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_02: And so the producers and creators are always trying to chase what's the next thumbnail, what should I be talking about, what's going on, and it kind of you know, oraboros in a sense, it just kind of eats itself and um it gets it gets very confusing.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: And the reason that I that I bring that up is because it's you can, as someone who who does these things, as you know, the creators, uh the people who host these platforms, you know, a meta and uh YouTube and all this kind of stuff, they they can almost kind of take like a oh, well, it's not us, like we're not the ones showing this to you.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, we can do, you know, it's whatever, but um in reality, that's you do have to take some amount of responsibility for that because you are the person connecting these people uh with this.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean, a little bit of a side tangent, but I do think that um because of that, because we are so plugged in, I mean, like, you know, just from the minute your alarm wakes up, you know, you're you know, scrolling and doing that, and like I'm definitely guilty of that myself, you know.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that I'm not.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_02: I try my best to be uh cognizant of that and you know not to do that, to try to look at my you know phone as little as possible.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_02: But I I'm also a software engineer, so I'm gonna interact with the computer one way or another, right?
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_02: And so I try to uh limit that as much as I can.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_02: But um, it is it is difficult to feel like you kind of almost have to have these like safe places to express yourself.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: And something that I was thinking about, uh, which tell me how you feel about this, um, a concept that I've never done, but is it interesting that it exists?
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh like the rage room.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: Are you familiar with those things?
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: No, same more.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_02: So it basically all it is, and it is honestly just sounds kind of fun, but it's it's basically a room where you can, you know, pay for certain little things like a lamp or a TV or whatever, and and you just you just you know smash stuff, right?
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's tell me, I'm just curious how you feel about this.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: Tell me, is this something that like you would have ever thought would be a thing?
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_02: Is this something that you feel like you would need to get out?
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think that's like an avenue of like expression that maybe didn't need to be a thing as much, you know, in the past because you were more in your body, more tuned to things.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_02: There was more conflict actively happening.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_02: But I feel like things are almost so figured out and pristine, and there is a solution to everything that it becomes like this this like anxiety feeling of like I have to feel something, like something has to happen because nothing is ever happening.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_03: Well, emotions, emotions have to move, right?
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like when you have when you have anger, it's like you have to have or stress or whatever it is, you have to have a completion cycle.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_03: So those rage rooms are excellent for exactly that because it's like if you don't move that energy, right?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_03: Like I encourage people to dance.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, dancing is great.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_03: Dancing is great.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_03: Your body needs to move.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_03: There's energy in your body.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_03: I dance literally every single day, right?
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't matter if I'm getting ready, I have my music on, if I'm in the kitchen doing dishes, like whatever.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_03: Highly, highly, highly encourage people to do that.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_03: Doesn't matter what it looks like.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: Like I turn my car-that's not the point.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_03: I turned my car into a into a concert hall.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'm in there dancing, and people at the light are looking at it.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_03: I don't care, you know, peace peace symbol, like enjoy your best life.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: Half of them, I'm sure, are enjoying it anyways, or you know, exactly.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: And it it's just not supposed to like be, it's not a performance.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_03: No, but it's but it's important to understand the emotions and then what to do with them.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_03: There's that what what is that movie called?
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_03: There's that movie where it's like the little the little um anime animated characters, and each one of them is the emotion.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_03: And I think they have two different things inside out.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, inside out, and they have I've actually never seen it.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_03: I I want to, but uh, you should watch both of them because it's actually quite interesting to look at from an adult perspective and from the emotions because it shows like how it comes out in children and how it comes out then in like older kids as well.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_03: Because the second one is like, you know, more teenager kind of stuff.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, but it's like that should be required watching just for people to understand their emotions because so many people, especially Gen X, right?
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_03: This is, I think, unfortunately, kind of our uh our pro biggest problem is we are so out of tune with emotions.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_03: We were raised to not show emotions, not be a pussy, rub dirt on it.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but don't cry, or I'm gonna give you something to cry about.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, dad, I'm already fucking crying.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_03: It's like I'm already clearly struggling.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but that was the generation that we came up in, you know?
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_03: And for me, it's like then I was a tomboy on top of that.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_03: I was very in my masculine energy my entire life.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_03: I spent my entire career in construction around men.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_03: I'm very comfortable with men, I'm very comfortable in my masculine.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but that was then also no vulnerability, right?
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_03: That's a sign of weakness.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_03: We don't show that, we don't cry, right?
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_03: Which unfortunately then I turned around and passed that pattern down to my kids, right?
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_03: And so Britney, who is yeah, Britney, who's Thomas's uh gal and my oldest, she was very emotional.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't know what the fuck to do with that, you know?
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_03: So it was just like, please keep that away from me, let me know when you're done crying, which does not do her any service, right?
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_03: And that's on me.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_03: And then Emily, I taught, you know, don't show any emotion.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_03: And so now she's trying to figure out how to unfuck what I did and she's 26 years old.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_03: Thank God she's starting now because I didn't figure out until I was in my early 40s that, like, ah, yes, your emotions are supposed to be your compass.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um, tell me about your emotional intelligence and what comes up for you when I talk about that.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_03: Because not only specifically to you, but then also just millennials in general.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, no, I I think that um it's an interesting point that you make because it's something that I'm starting to do more recently as well.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: And it's something that I feel like the the more and more that you are in this scenario where you again, you you wake up, you you look at your phone, you're scrolling and everything, whether or not you see it as sinister or not, you know, you're you're you're told whatever, you're this is upsetting, whatever, you read the comments, blah, blah, blah.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: You can take that any sort of which way.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: I don't, I don't necessarily think it's on purpose per se, but regardless, you're experiencing this, right?
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think that almost it externalizes your compass, is what you're talking about, because you're not sitting there talking with this person that is making this post, that you understand anything about them, what they're going through, who the people they are, what are the things that led them to believe what they believe.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_02: You're just reading a wall of text or something else, and and um, there's a feeling that comes up for me that I've been trying to, you know, assess about this.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I imagine I'm not alone in this feeling, that when somebody does post like a very, very large, you know, thing about complaining about something or a very personal thing, it it gives me pause.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_02: It makes me feel like, you know, like why are you sharing that?
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that it's it's it's kind of that like dichotomy of just like you should be talking with someone who actually cares about this, like a friend of yours or your parents, or your whatever your system is, because this is like a deeply personal thing that you shouldn't, you know, you shouldn't be posting, in my opinion.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's like trigger warning, all this other stuff, and then a really personal story about your life for anyone to see.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: At the other, at the other side of that, I have to think about well, why are you doing that?
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe you don't have an outlet for this.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe you do feel like there this is what it is, and your support group is on that.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: So you should technically be doing that, right?
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, like you need to get it out, like you need to say something and whatnot.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: And so I feel like there's this weird situation where I am dealing with like trying to kind of rein in my own compass to say, like, let me let me spend more time, you know, talking with people, interacting with this stuff, not not basing it so much on what I am reading, what I am seeing, and the feelings that come about that, because they're not about me.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: I'm reading something that has nothing to do with me from someone that I, you know, haven't, you know, talked to in months, maybe or whatever, and just sort of is around, you know, just scrolling through whatever.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: And so it makes me think, well, I'm upset about something.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like when I really take a step back, it's like, well, why am I upset about anything that I'm reading?
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: And so I it's it's more about trying to get that.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: I think the issue with being so plugged into this stuff is it kind of externalizes your feelings, your emotions, your your compass, and to your same point, you can't really understand that your gut is something that is supposed to guide you if your gut is your insides are out.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that's a that's a great way to do that.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_03: I want to flip something around on you because when you say you're reading something from somebody else and it's not about you, I will I will encourage you to flip that completely around.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_03: And it has everything to do with you for sure, right?
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: It has nothing to do with the other person.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I completely agree because it is just someone sharing a story about that.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: But the fact that it's like, you know, it it is about me.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's revealing something about me, it has something to do with me.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: I I'm I mean like strictly the content, you know, like it's not the story's not about me.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_02: This person's talking about a struggle with whatever.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: But clearly, if it's if it's getting some sort of reaction out of me, there's something either to learn or just to observe or to understand.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like there, I would not be reacting like at all if this was completely um unrelated information.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: So something is related about this, right?
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and it's fascinating that you understand that, right?
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_03: That makes me very happy that you understand that because I think most people don't get that.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: It's like if you're emotionally regulated, there shouldn't be anything that you see that makes you feel any certain type of way.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's like everybody gets to do whatever it is that they want to.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: Doesn't matter if it's in direct contradiction with something that you believe or something that you think.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it doesn't matter.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like we're not all meant to think the exact same thing.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_03: We're oh there's so many different ingredients that go into things.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_03: And to me, that's such a beautiful thing.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: So the fact that you understand that makes me very happy because for me, I think I'm out of touch with other people in general because I've been on this self-exploration journey for the last, you know, however many years, handful of years.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I think I'm completely out of touch with a lot of different things.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_03: But then when I plug into stuff and I see how outraged people are about stuff, and it's like you guys realize that's you don't have to plug into that.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like when people are so outraged, they get like you said, they wake up in the morning, they pick up their phone, they see what today's outrage of choice is, and then they plug into that.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_03: And I think I'm not gonna take basically energy out of my kids' mouths to feed something that I can't do anything about, right?
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_03: And you just feel sick when you're plugged into that kind of stuff.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_03: And so for me, it's it's a con it's a common sense thing.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's like if I do something and it doesn't make me feel good, I do less of that.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's like how how people don't get that when it's like, you know, you talk about what people's screen times are or how much TV they watch or whatever.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, your brain is like crazy cool, and you're just putting like a dumpster full of garbage on it every single day, and then going, I don't know why I'm not happy.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, Well, I can't.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: Stop doing depressing shit.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like, no, like being exposed to that.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_02: And and it's something that is again part of this uh the whole journey that I'm going through is understanding that people, regardless of how um you know I will say stoic or how whatever word you want to use to describe someone who is, you know, very well put together and whatnot, no matter how much somebody seems like that or anything else, we are by and large, I think, more sensitive just as human beings than anyone is giving us credit for.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that if you're on these things all day long and you're you're used to seeing bad information, you're used to seeing uh pick anything, right?
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: You're used to being outraged.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: There's so much bad information to be had.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: There's also a plenty of good information to be had.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like so much of it.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_02: But It's not what sells and you know, all kinds of stuff like that.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know, people for engagement and all that kind of stuff.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: They they want, you know, to be upset or to not, whatever.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_02: It's just it's not as enjoyable, I think, to only plug into positive things unless that's someone who you are.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you specifically make an account, you only follow whatever positive stuff.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: And that account, I bet you're on for 30 minutes, and that's the point of it.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: But if you ever log into your normal thing, that's what gets you, is because it is addicting.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's that it's the dopamine rush, it's all this stuff.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I think the more and more that that happens and that's being exploited in your brain, the less unless you believe that you are addicted, and this is just something that is happening, and you see everyone else doing this.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_02: This person's on the phone, you know, uh at the dinner table.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: The this husband and wife hasn't talked the entire dinner.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: And and and they're, you know, just older than any sixties, you know, they're in 17, they're doing whatever.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: They're like you used to look at it so much and you're like, oh, I don't have a problem.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like this is just how life is.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what can we do about it?
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, I think when you get to that point, you it it takes a while for you to be able to realize that that's not normal, realize that you have not been connected to your body in you know, years, maybe.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_02: God knows how long.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: And then to to be able to try to deliberately do that.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's a it's a genuine process to try to unplug yourself.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: It really isn't as easy as like, oh, I just won't, I just won't go on, you know, social media today for whatever.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's that ain't gonna do it.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: You you need and then the detox it is people that peer doing.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's fantastic, but I think it's it's it's like dieting, it's like everything else.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's a lifestyle switch.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's not just like I'm gonna do this for a month and I'm I'm gonna be cured.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, no, you have to really recognize how wrong this is for you to be engaging in this way and like rearrange your life to start even seeing, beginning to see the effects of like, oh like where have I been?
• 23:50
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• 23:51
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• 23:55
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• 24:02
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• 24:05
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• 24:12
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• 24:20
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• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and that and that's r and that's really important for people to get aware, you know, when you talk about people just being willing to look at that and say, okay, what is this, what is this benefiting?
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_03: So if you look at anything in your life, and this is, you know, for me, part of the stuff that is really important about the savage self-awareness, if you look at anything in your life and say, is this adding value?
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_03: Because one of the things that I come across a lot is you have people that have been married 10 years, they have a beautiful family and all of this stuff, and now their marriage is falling apart and they go, I don't know what happened.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_03: And here's what I'll say if your marriage was so important, show me that on your calendar.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_03: Because if you look at how many hours that you spent this week on social media compared to, in relation to the amount of hours that you put into your marriage, you got exactly what you ordered.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's like that's the kind of bitch slap that I think people need.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's like sure, sure.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_03: You want to go on social media and whatever.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_03: I get it that it's a billion, you know, billion dollar algorithms that you're trying to fight your brain against.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_03: It is, it's very sophisticated.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_03: And so, like you said, the dopamine hit, the pulling you back.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_03: You have it as an icon on your screen and it's always the fun, flashy one that you want to fucking go press.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_03: But it's like, figure out ways to hack that, you know, things that I suggest people do.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_03: Put it in a folder on the bat very last page on your phone that says, Are you sure you want to?
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, and and literally I title mine that on the last page.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_03: Are you sure are you sure you want to?
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's like it makes me think for a second, or just getting in the habit of if you're waiting for an elevator or if you're waiting at a red light.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, why are you picking up your fucking phone?
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like allow yourself the opportunity when you drive to not have anything on, yeah, right?
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe just music or if if the silence bothers you, but put your phone in the back seat, right?
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_03: Put your map in where you're going and put your phone out of reach.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know how lovely that is?
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_03: Like, that's a really lovely treat.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_03: My favorite things that I do every day are things that I can't take my phone for.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_03: And is that uncomfortable at first?
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_03: Sure, because it's like, oh my God, what if somebody needs something?
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_03: What if somebody dies?
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_03: If somebody dies, you'll find out once you get back to your fucking phone.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: Or yeah, someone will call someone or something, something you'll figure it out by the time that happens.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: There's no excuses, you know.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_03: If you want, if you want better and you realize that things that you're doing in your life are adding zero value or actually a negative, right, right in a lot of ways, right?
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_03: Then do something about it.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_03: And it doesn't, I I get it.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_03: Like social media is great for being able to promote businesses and to, you know, uh other things.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_03: I totally get it.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm not saying like everyone sell your phones and let's get you know, I I get what I'm saying.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_03: But I also understand when I don't watch TV, when I'm not on social media, when I'm not plugged into this noise, right?
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_03: When when I don't have the news on all the things, that's value added to my life.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like if it's a hard, hard thing to implement, no problems.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_03: Google on the world wide web, how you know, give me tips and tricks for how to use my social media less.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_03: Because you look at hours that people have used it and it will make you sick to your stomach.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, 100%.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_03: And it is just outrage.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's that's what they profit off of.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_03: That's what the algorithms profit off of.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_03: Because people that are outraged stay on longer.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, yeah.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, they engage more, and that's literally what they're trying to do.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like once you realize the whole the whole system is trying to rage bait you, doesn't that make you want to go the other way?
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: You'd think so, right?
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: And but I think I think even knowing that it is just like you're so ingrained in this idea of like, I gotta see what's going on, I gotta talk to this person and that person.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, you just you're not even like you're aware of what's happening, but it doesn't really hit you again because you have yet to begin the process of of truly unplugging, truly reshaping your life to saying, yeah, I can use this as a tool or maybe to promote a business or even keep in contact.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like these things aren't necessarily, it doesn't necessarily need to be zero, you know.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: Right, exactly.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_02: But if you're at a hundred and you and you think you're at 70, that's the problem.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: You know, is that you don't you don't really recognize, like, you know, you you really this is integrated in every minute of your life.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: And um I to the same point, I think that is is a great thing to mention, is that that is what these sites are trying to do.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: As someone who is is an engineer and has to do that and trying to get traffic, you know, all this stuff, there's it's a very big thing to try to get people to click on it, all the ads and all this kind of stuff like that.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's you have to remember when you're using these things.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and even more so than like, oh, there's an algorithm, because a lot of people say that.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_02: And unless you understand that, like what that necessarily is, it's more of like a buzzword to like make it almost make it seem like you kind of know what you're talking about.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: But you have to remember that these are not like neutral tools, right?
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: Facebook, Instagram, uh, YouTube, all the these are not neutral tools.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: The the purpose of them doing the things that they are doing is so that you come back, and that content is made by content creators, like it, whoever that is, right?
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like whatever the situation, it's right, exactly.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_02: So it's funny to think about.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, you know what I'm trying to say is like um that that is kind of the point.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: They they are they are utilizing people's creativity and there's things like that.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I I think YouTube is fantastic.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I learned so much stuff on there, and I am always trying to educate myself on things, but I, you know, that is kind of the trap.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_02: You do have to limit your time to doing those things.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: And it's it's it's a platform that is connecting with people, but at the end of it, it's like you and I are having a conversation.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: So it's just important to recognize like, unless you're very, very picky and selective and you have a reason for doing what you're doing, you will get swept up in this.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we don't know what you want.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like, here's here's everything in the entire universe.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: All at once.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: It is yeah, yeah.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: Here's everything everything and anything all the time.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you know, so there's that song that Emily showed me where it was like, and it was so I gotta I gotta put it on put it in the show notes or something because it's like it's it's so accurate for what it's saying, but it's like, you know, it used to be that the internet slept and you would get on with your dial up AOL that you're talking about and communicate with friends across the world, and it was like, oh, that was fun, you know, and then they would go back to sleep and like whatever.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_03: And now it's just everything all the time.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: The the most heinous things that you can even imagine being able to watch people get murdered on on the you know social platforms, it's like what is happening?
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I was I was telling someone recently, I have largely kept my head in the sand, and anyone who has ever listened understands that uh I do it intentionally because I think it's garbage out there.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_03: And my head got yeah, my my head got pulled up um when this whole Charlie Kirk thing happened because I was like, I didn't know who he was.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but when it happened, I you know, we're talking about it in our house, and I had looked at a couple of his clips and some of the other stuff.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_03: And then when you see the stuff that's happening where you can just watch that, or you can watch people celebrating the murder of another human being because his opinions differed from yours, that's the most disgusting thing I can get my head around.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's insane.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_03: It's I I don't care who you are.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's I I don't I I hate to come from this place of shame on you, but my God.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that like that humanity has taken a really big hit, and humanity humanity needs a win.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_03: We really need a fucking win because it's like I don't think you guys realize how bad uh things are.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but I'm telling you from the perspective of someone who didn't stay plugged in and just is getting like a slice of where we are right now.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_03: We're really sick.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: We're in really bad shape and it's scary as fuck.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_03: And people it's not good, and people need to wake the fuck up.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I yeah.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_03: It can't just be we're all gonna continue to stay in airplane mode and zombie fucking mode and continue to let these algorithms just steal our most valuable resource, which is our energy, right?
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_03: Again, like chapter one of the book.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_03: Get a fucking copy of the goddamn book.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_03: Open your eyes.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's like that's your energy.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's yours, that's your life force.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_03: They are fucking stealing your life force, they are profiting off of your life force, and you walk around like a zombie that feels empty, right?
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_03: You have this life on paper that seems fucking great.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_03: You check all the things and you're wondering why you feel empty and lonely.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like you're being robbed of your life force.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_03: And I am here to fucking scream from the rooftops to help people fucking wake up from this because it's like your life can be so much better than just feeling like this numbed out freight train that's headed to a fucking coffin.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_03: That's all people are doing.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_03: That's not life, you guys.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_03: That's not how things are supposed to go down.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like it can be so much different than that.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: It isn't.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: And to your to your same point, I do I really do love the example that you use in the book about the Skittles and everything like that.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: And and kind of what I was saying before is that if you if you think you're at, you know, it's 70%, but you're at a hundred, that's that it's a lot of people where they're like, oh, I don't use my phone that much.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like, okay, well, let's just let's go look at the analytics for this stuff.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_02: How often are you using this?
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: Because I guarantee you it's more than you think it is.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: And uh that was definitely something that helped me wake up to that as well.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: Is I was a hundred percent one of those people, you know, just like I'm not using it that much.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like I just, you know, I get on and I respond to things.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: I share, like, you know, a joke or two, you know, I I I use it mainly, you know, and I did for, you know, sharing memes and jokes.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it didn't seem very serious.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and in a lot of ways it wasn't serious, it was just funny jokes with my friends.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_02: But I, you know, seeing what it was and how often I was on that, it was like, well, I, you know, I could just pick up the phone and go hang out, yeah, like with my friend, you know, the person that I'm I'm allegedly spending so much time doing this, but it's like we're not interacting, we're we're sharing a laugh because of a shared thing.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: But I could have we could just do this in person and and you know, not necessarily like scrolling in person, but we could just be having a real genuine interaction.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_02: And and I think it's it's situations like that where you don't realize that that's happening.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone thinks everyone's too busy for everything.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: People, um, because of that, you know, you're you're sharing this externalized version of yourself where you don't have to necessarily come up with something or say something specific, depending on who you are.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: You can share a joke or a meme or a post and you have a conversational topic.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: But hanging out in person, I think the the more and more, the less and less rather you do that, the more and more it is difficult to not feel awkward, to not feel like, oh, it makes you feel kind of exposed.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: You're back, you're back kind of in your body in a little bit.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I think a lot of people are very afraid of that feeling because they're at a hundred and they think they're at 70, you know, and that they don't realize that the so much of that stuff.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: And to your example for the Skittles, you know, you have only so much of this stuff.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: If I wake up every day and I'm giving, you know, we'll say 100, but you know, like 90% of my Skittles.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: If I have 10 Skittles left, I can tell you with those 10 Skittles, oh, I'm gonna use one for making sure my mental health is okay and making sure this is okay, and giving one of my Skittles to my kids and like I'm doing fine.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like, no, you actually had a thousand.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: Right, exactly.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: You didn't realize you were giving, you know, 990 of them to all of this other stuff that has nothing to do with it.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_02: And and you think you're being you're allocating your time correctly, but it's not.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you you have so much more than you realize.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: And it's the same thing with like feeling lethargic because you're, you know, you're not taking care of yourself or not working out.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_02: The more that you work out and do that, the more energy you have.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's the same thing.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: The more and more that you reclaim that, the more you realize, oh, I actually have a ton of energy, um, a ton of ability to even remember things.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that was a big thing.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_02: I had this whole um psychological test done and all this stuff because I couldn't remember like anything.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: I had this serious problem where it's like, you know, I used to be so good at remembering things and making connections, and like I really prided myself on that.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: And it was like, you know, as soon as I've been working this job for for many years now, and um realizing like, oh, like there's not necessarily anything wrong with me.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's just that like I am spending so much time in front of a computer, not with around people.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_02: And like human beings, you know, maybe when we get the, you know, the cyberpunk chips in ourselves and we can, you know, just you know, maybe when that happens, that's a different story.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: But currently we're just not set up for that.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: No matter how smart you are or how good you are at consuming information and whatnot, we just aren't set up for that, you know?
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think coming to that understanding and realizing I, I, I, there's nothing necessarily wrong in that sense.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_02: And that was a lot what the test itself showed, which was very reassuring because it was a scary time in my life to think about like, is there something wrong?
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like it was, it was really like I, you know, I'm like holding something and don't remember where it is.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like this scary realization.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, oh no, there's nothing wrong.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_02: And I think a lot of people could relate to that.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_02: I even have friends that work in the same field.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: You're in front of a computer all day, you're not taking the 15-minute break of doing whatever, you're not going outside, you're not doing these things, and those things matter.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: They seem like they're not important, but when you stack them up and you start rearranging your life, is like this is not what my life is.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: I am a person engaged in the world and and not through these tools.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_02: You can't even begin to like understand how much you've been missing from like a functioning human being standpoint, yeah.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_02: Until you start to do that.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and and you saying the whole like, you know, hundred, you had a hundred skittles and you only realized you had 10.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_03: So you thought you were being very intentional with those 10 Skittles, and you didn't even realize you left 90% of your fucking meal on the table.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_03: And that's your food.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's like and until you get that, until you realize that that's yours, that you're making the choice to spend, because people don't even realize they're making the choice.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_03: They don't.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's like you've just given away your most valuable resource, 90% of it, and you're running your life on 10%.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_03: No wonder you feel like you're running on fumes.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: I don't come from a place of judgment.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_03: I come from a place of I've been there, done that, which is why I'm doing everything I'm doing right now to try to fucking scream this shit from the rooftops.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_03: Because I have energy for days now, because I don't fucking give it away to stupid shit that doesn't fucking matter.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_03: I invested in my family, I invested in my community, I invested in my friends, I invested in the things that I can actually affect change on instead of screaming into the fucking void about how outraged I am about whatever the fucking media decide they want to serve up as the outrage of the moment.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_03: Because that's exactly what that is happening.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_03: And if you don't see that from the outside, push back from the fucking table for a second, right?
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_03: The table for me is like all of the numbers.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_03: I always picture like this Thanksgiving day, you know, table, Thanksgiving meal table.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_03: And on the table, the turkey is fucking, you know, all is alcohol and there's drugs and there's food and shopping and porn and doom scrolling and TV and gambling and like all of these things.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_03: Push back from the table just long enough to realize those are your fucking resources that are being robbed by that shit because you're not willing to fucking get in tune with yourself, get in your body, right?
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_03: And I will tell you that yes, is that was that difficult to do?
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, it was incredibly difficult.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's incredibly difficult, but it's simple.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, and it's not any more difficult than what you're doing right now.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_03: Because I suspect that feeling outraged all the time doesn't add quality of life, right?
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's like I look at these people and they're like, they think I'm the asshole because I'm not outraged about things that are happening in other parts of the world.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, who's the asshole?
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_03: I stay regulated and I fucking plug into my kids.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_03: You're so fucking outraged that you're willing to burn your whole entire life down, fucking protesting something that you have no fucking change over.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_03: You're not gonna affect change in that.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_03: Do something where you can fucking regulate yourself, be plugged into your family, and then be boots on the ground in your community or whatever for whatever you're passionate about.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_03: Not just whatever the outrage of the moment is.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, and I and I think that like, again, to your same point, like there that that's kind of a line that we've all been sold, which I think is an important thing to note about millennials and older stuff, is that we we're sold a line that we are bad unless we care about everything, because we have access to more information than like you guys have, right?
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_02: So all this stuff is at our fingertips.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: We know how to search for this stuff.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: And so the outrage becomes again, it's it's it's such an external experience because like you are not anywhere there.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: You have never been to these places.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: You probably maybe don't even know anyone that's involved in that.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even know where half the fucking places are, and I don't mean to seem like an ignorant person, but I don't even know where half these fucking places are.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like, is there terrible shit that's happening there?
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_02: 100% just like there is here and everywhere, like I guarantee it.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_03: Literally everywhere, but it's like if I'm wasting my resources on fucking being outraged about something that I have zero control over, yeah.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_03: What good am I doing to my fucking family, to myself, to my community?
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_03: I've just thrown away on nothing.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_03: Not much.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_03: Do they okay?
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_03: So you made a really great point about like that's what they sell to the millennials, is like you have all of this information, so you should be outraged.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_03: But but like, what does that look like then?
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_03: Do people get mad at you if you're not outraged?
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_03: Because I find that people get mad at me, like, I can't believe that you that you don't care about women getting you know, separated, mothers separated from their children at the border.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, Yeah, yeah.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_03: Boss, I if I fucking care about every injustice that happened on the planet, I'll be so frazzled I won't be able to make breakfast for my fucking kids that are sitting at the can't, you know, kitchen table fucking needing me.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_03: Like, are you crazy?
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_03: That's your choice.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_03: You'd rather throw your outrage to something you have not no possible effect on.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: And to and to your point, yeah, exactly.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_02: I think I think that is mainly what it is.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_02: And if if more people were in the mindset of like, because because you and I and and everyone in this building and everyone in the square mile radius around us and go out as far as you want, we're all gonna care about different things.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: And so if we were all focusing our energy on the things that we cared about, a lot more of these problems would just generally be solved.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I really, I really actually believe that.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's like, maybe I can't care about the same thing.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_02: I, you know, we only have so much capacity, we got to do work.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_02: And if you have a family, you gotta do there's there's so much that we're doing, and we're kind of in this this realm, and this uh there's everything has to be done all the time, and you got to go here for this, this practice and go for this and schedule this time.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_02: And and and a lot of the times it's like it's funny.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_02: And and uh I don't know if you feel the same way about this, but uh I've I've heard this line before and and I felt it myself.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's like nothing feels better than like canceling a plan, you know, where you're just like, oh my, I don't have to do this thing.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, think about that though, for a second, right?
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, well, you've allegedly up to this point were excited about seeing this person, engaging with them and and talking with them.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_02: And at a certain point, you've been doing so much or whatever it is that by the time that thing happens, you're like, I just don't have the energy for what I wanted to do before then.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and like nothing would make me happier than to not do something.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_02: So, and it's like, what does that say about your own lifestyle?
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: That when you get to that point, you're like, well, I can't keep the commitment because I've been doing so many other things.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_02: Exhausted.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: I'm exhausted.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, and uh to be fair, sometimes that's unavoidable, right?
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: But I I would argue that there are a lot more times where that is avoidable if you were able to understand that that is what's going on truly.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_02: And so I I I believe that like, you know, are can you you can't care about everything, but that's that's kind of the the thing as well with a lot of people that I've noticed.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not everybody, but there is this mindset.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I think it's where a lot of like doom scrolling is kind of come from, where there's this mindset of everything is fucked.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there is no solution, every everything is on fire, the the the the the economy is is horrible, all these people are doing these horrible things, we're defending all these pedophiles, like whatever all this stuff is horrible.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's horrible, right?
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_02: So all these things are going on, and so I it almost kind of flips it on its head for some people who are like it's almost validating to them, or it's like, well, I am not, I can't do anything, and the more negative things that I receive just tell me, oh, you're right, it was never anything I could ever do about.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but like what you're saying as far as things that like make people passionate, yeah.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_03: If if if you say, Okay, I'm not gonna pay attention to what's happening, all the worst things that happened in the world, because I believe that that's where where we should be, right?
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_03: Doesn't change the fact that they're happening, of course they're still happening.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_03: Of course.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_03: But if I get plugged into my body and into myself, and then and then decide where do my hundred Skittles, because I'm gonna say I get all hundred of them, not just ten.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_03: So figuring out where the 90 went and then saying what's important to me, because maybe um dogs in shelters that are abused call to my heart.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe maybe uh children in foster homes, maybe the homeless population, maybe uh, you know, young girls that that don't have access to abortion or or like it doesn't even matter what you're fucking.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't even matter, but you'll know what calls to you, right?
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_03: I have a very specific thing that call to me and I put my money where my mouth is, right?
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_03: I try to affect.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: Change in those things locally, and I try to make as big of a fucking splash as I possibly can, right?
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_03: I'm a cannonballer.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_03: If more of us did that, that's how we actually solve the problem.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_03: So, like what you're saying, it's like no one's looking for solutions.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_03: So, one of the things I want to let's talk about this to kind of wrap things up a little bit.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_03: So we we talked about before we started recording recording that Gen X and Millennial are in the power seat right now as far as generations are concerned.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_03: That represents, you know, decades of human beings that I feel like are in a really great place to come from a place of solutions.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_03: How do we work together where we say, okay, like in the intro, where it's like, let's take the things from Gen X that we did really well, let's take the things from the millennials that they're doing really well, and let's bring those together and then come up with solutions rather than just sitting here going, oh my God, we're fucked.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_03: Because yes, we are fucked.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_03: And also I'm not I'm not willing to just continue to walk down that path without fucking raising a ruckus about like, and I don't know how I said ruckus, like I'm a hundred or something.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_03: So sorry.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna raise a ruckus, Thomas.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_03: Jesus Christ.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but but no, like I I want to look at what I can actually do, and how can we as Gen X and millennials say, what can we, where can we find common ground and say, you know what, this is fucked up, and it's not getting any better because you can watch the next generations that come that are better, the group think, that don't know how I mean a lot of us are, but that more even more specifically, because you can ask someone in the younger generation why they feel the way that they do, and they don't even understand the issue that they're fucking so worked up and outraged about.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's like it's embarrassing.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's like I watch this stuff and it's like well, see, and that's the thing, right?
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: Is that I I think a lot of it comes from kind of what we were talking about from the beginning of this, which is it which is a difficult task to do based on all this stuff, because exactly like you said, you listen to someone who is very, very upset about a whatever topic.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: It genuinely doesn't matter.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're sitting here and saying, like, you're a terrible person for X, Y, and Z, and fuck you for not caring about this kind of stuff.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_02: So from the beginning of that conversation, you're being attacked or they're being attacked.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_02: So the natural response is, I'm gonna defend myself because of course it is.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_02: So you're already not having a conversation, like from the beginning.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_02: You're absolutely right.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_02: So so it's not necessarily that it's a wash, but both both people, both generations, both like ideas of thinking need to come from a place truly of listening to understand.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_02: And how we get there, I having more conversations with people, trying to get people unplugged into their body to understand these things, because I it's for the same argument of okay, well, I'm I'm upset about these things.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_02: If you took just hypothetically, if you took a year off from social media or just never did it again or whatever, you wouldn't know enough information to be upset about.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's my that's my position, right?
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like I spent so long when social media came out, I didn't have a social media account.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_03: I never plugged into that.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_03: I was raising babies and starting businesses and and hustling, right?
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_03: So, so went years, like didn't even plug in.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_03: I finally I created an account just so I could follow my nieces and stuff.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_03: Only until this show did I start getting involved in it.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_03: And at the beginning, for the first year, I had somebody that handled the social media.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_03: Now, only in the last six months am I looking at things going, oh fuck, we're in way worse shape than I thought.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_03: Because it is everyone just being outraged.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_03: No one comes from a good place, no one is open-minded about things.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_03: And like you said, there's not even a conversation to be had when I say something and you automatically get defensive because there's no way I'm going to fucking convince you of anything.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_03: And also, I don't want to convince you.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's not about convincing.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_02: And that's all right, that's the other part of it.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_03: Like that's the bigger piece, is like it isn't about convincing.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's not I'm right and you're wrong, or you're right and I'm wrong.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's we're all right.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_03: For your specific ingredients, the things that come out of your mouth, that is your POV and that is your experience and you're 100%.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_02: Totally valid, totally correct.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's insane.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's a it's an opinion.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's the thing that I think people have kind of forgotten for is believing that opinions are facts.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_02: Because when you are sharing your opinion or seeing a post or seeing this kind of a stuff, you see something that's either deliberately uh um on purpose, upsetting, or whatever it is, and you see all the stuff validating your opinion, it's very easy.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_02: And it was already easy enough for humans to believe that you know, one other person, you just need your buddy to agree with you, and and you're and you're both right.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you're right.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_02: But now you have hundreds of people doing this, and so it's like you you forget that your opinion about something it was never a fact.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_02: No, it can't be, it can't be but by definition, right?
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think that's that's maybe a first thing to note is that I I mean, personally, and I and I've said this before, is that I would like more conversations to just end with like, huh, and walk away.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have to attack you, you don't have to attack me, you don't have to do whatever.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_02: Just like if you have nothing like to say, just be like, huh.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_02: Think about it for 10 seconds.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_02: There's no reason to do it because you you just have to understand exactly.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like the people that, like you said, they the the people that are upset about something, not always.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes people are incredibly educated on a topic.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_02: And that's great.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_02: When you ask them about that, then they can tell you all these reasons about these things, then then fantastic.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_02: Then you're you're expanded.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's something that you should care about or should or you should understand more about that.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_02: But I think that if you are upset and you don't know why, you need to first figure out why and figure that out.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's it's almost kind of a it's working on both ends of the of the situation here.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_02: You, um, you know, Gen X and millennials and really anything in between.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, a lot of this people, there's a lot of pride, I think, in older generations to be like, I did this right.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm correct.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you're not gonna shake me.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_02: Because again, it's like the don't show weakness, whatever.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like it doesn't matter what your new age, whatever, is talking about.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm right, and like, look at the success I've had.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like, how can you argue with me?
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_02: And it, to be fair, it's a difficult thing.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe you are successful, maybe you have done it, you have kept things together, you've kept the family together, but you you didn't figure it out either.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_02: And and neither did your grandparents who taught you that, and your kids haven't figured it out, and their kids aren't gonna figure it out either.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's a process we should all be working together for.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_03: It is, and and coming from a place of solutions.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's I think that's the the takeaway from everything is let's work together.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_03: Let's pull the good nuggets from the different generations and say, okay, and also then what are we gonna do about it?
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_03: Because again, I'm gonna circle back and say to everyone, wake up, we're in way worse shape than I fucking originally anticipated.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_03: Like when I poked my head out.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's scary as fuck out there.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_03: So Thomas, thank you so much for coming and spending this time talking with me.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_03: We'll definitely have you back on again.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I love to have just conversations where people come from different perspectives, and it can be just share with me what you know, let me share with you what I know.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm always gonna come from this place of listening to understand.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_03: Not always been the case.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_03: I used to I used to listen to defend all the time.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_03: So don't get me wrong.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_02: You and me both.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_03: So okay, that's a wrap.
• 50:40
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• 51:02
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