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The Kenny Report | 28 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Love from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to another week on the Kenny Report Tonight, the
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  Speaker 1: lessons out of Queensland for the alb and Easy Labor
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  Speaker 1: government and why the Big lnp win is encouraging for
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  Speaker 1: Peter Dutton and the coalition. Also how the counting on
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  Speaker 1: election night distorts first impressions and why the system might
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  Speaker 1: need to change. And Broken Hill is sprooped as a
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  Speaker 1: renewable energy hub supported by wind Solar and the Big Battery,
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  Speaker 1: So why has that city been left in the dark.
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  Speaker 1: Dick Smith joins me. Dave Sharma will also help us
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  Speaker 1: pick unpicked, the Israeli strike on Iran and what we
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  Speaker 1: should expect next. Brilliant US author Robert Kaplan will discuss
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  Speaker 1: how leaders should deal with matters of diplomacy and war.
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  Speaker 1: Plus gem and Ton Uni and Caroline A. Russo on
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  Speaker 1: Albo's Quantus Freebies and Sophie Illsworth on media. Let's get started. Look,
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  Speaker 1: we've all known that Stephen Miles was a clown. He
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  Speaker 1: ended up being Labor Premier for less than a year.
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  Speaker 1: Miles was a former union official who did his PhD
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  Speaker 1: on unionism and he served as Health Minister and Deputy
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  Speaker 1: Premier and then Premier, But he leaves Queensland with a
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  Speaker 1: mountain of debt and a huge juvenile crime problem, while
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  Speaker 1: he leaves the rest of us bemused by his giggling
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  Speaker 1: and bizarre performances.
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  Speaker 2: The absence of any reference to youth crime in your
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  Speaker 2: speech to the Queensland Media Club would have been by
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  Speaker 2: more than a few, including the people of those communities. Premier,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you can see.
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  Speaker 1: Given what we've come to see now, I guess it's
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  Speaker 1: only fitting that Miles spent his last night as Premier
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  Speaker 1: again denying reality.
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  Speaker 3: Watching the results to it is clear that that hasn't
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  Speaker 3: been enough to secure a majority of seats for Labor,
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  Speaker 3: and also that the LMP is unlikely to have a majority.
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  Speaker 1: Really, that was ridiculous at the time, and he is
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  Speaker 1: exposed as delusional now. Of course, Labor will end up
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  Speaker 1: losing about sixteen seats and the LMP will have a
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  Speaker 1: healthy majority with a few more seats than Labor held Tonight.
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  Speaker 4: Queenslanders have voted for hope over fear, they have voted
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  Speaker 4: for a fresh start, and they have voted for a
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  Speaker 4: majority LMP government.
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  Speaker 1: David christof fully won a resounding victory, resistant calls for
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  Speaker 1: a more radical agenda. He took a modest plan to
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  Speaker 1: the people, with a clear focus on law and order,
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  Speaker 1: and he ran a pretty uneventful and low risk campaign.
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  Speaker 1: He's already sticking by his anti nuke policy that puts
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  Speaker 1: him at odds with fellow Queenslander Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 5: So just a yes or no, that's you seem pretty
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  Speaker 5: definitive no nuclear power under your government.
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  Speaker 4: Well, James, it was no before the election and it's
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  Speaker 4: no afterright. But that's but I think that's what people
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  Speaker 4: want to see from me now. That doesn't mean that
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  Speaker 4: I won't be respectful in the way that I discussed
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  Speaker 4: that and I want to reset the relationship with Canberra
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  Speaker 4: to one of respect but also being forceful and putting
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  Speaker 4: forward our point of view. And I will do that
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  Speaker 4: whether or not mister Albinezi is there or mister Dutton
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  Speaker 4: is there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what else could he say on day one? I
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  Speaker 1: guess if Dutton and the Coalition can win federally then
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  Speaker 1: it will be time to revisit that topic. The trouble
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  Speaker 1: is that in the meantime this policy difference will be
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  Speaker 1: used to undermine the coalition nuclear plan. But there's good
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  Speaker 1: news for Dutton in this result too. It shows Labor
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  Speaker 1: on the nose in the crucial state of Queensland, and
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  Speaker 1: it demonstrates that when there's a proper contest between the
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  Speaker 1: two major parties, then the minor parties can fall by
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  Speaker 1: the wayside, with the Greens going backwards and the other
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  Speaker 1: minor parties failing to make an impact. Dutton has sharpened
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  Speaker 1: the choice between the Coalition and Labor federally, and the
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  Speaker 1: polarized electorate just might mean fewer voters turning to the
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  Speaker 1: Greens and the Teals crucially, which can only be a
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  Speaker 1: good thing for the Coalition.
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  Speaker 5: The lessons are that if you treat people with contempt,
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  Speaker 5: if you run up huge debt, you mismanage the economy,
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  Speaker 5: you create a cost of living crisis, you can expect
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  Speaker 5: for the electric to punish you.
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  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened in Queensland.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's what's going to happen in a federal
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  Speaker 5: level as well, because the Prime Minister has promised a
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  Speaker 5: lot for Australians and he's delivered nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of Anthony Alberonizi, he's been busy again on social
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  Speaker 1: media with his hip pocket spill borrowed from the u
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  Speaker 1: US and Joe Biden.
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  Speaker 6: This flat white costs five dollars and this one costs
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  Speaker 6: five dollars and ten cents. Why because this one was
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  Speaker 6: paid for with cash and this one was paid for
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  Speaker 6: with card.
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  Speaker 1: It's not fair.
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  Speaker 6: These excessive card surch charges just aren't right, and over
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  Speaker 6: the course of a year it adds up. So we're
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  Speaker 6: preparing to ban the search chargers on debit cards.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, so all of this stuff that I've gathered here
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  Speaker 7: on this tatum used to be bigger.
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  Speaker 6: Yep, you're not imagining it. Companies really are shrinking products
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  Speaker 6: to charge you more for less. We're cracking down on
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  Speaker 6: it with fines for supermarkets doing the wrong thing. That
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  Speaker 6: way you'll know you're getting good value when you buy.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, you're not imagining it. He's the incredible shrinking Prime
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  Speaker 1: Minister and now he's seen firsthand how the labor vote
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  Speaker 1: has shrunk in Queensland. He's also desperately trying to explain
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  Speaker 1: why it was okay for him to bring the former
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  Speaker 1: Quantity CEO for a handout for freebies when he felt
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  Speaker 1: like it. It's going to be a rocky ride to
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  Speaker 1: the federal election about six months away. One takeout from
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  Speaker 1: the election on Saturday night was the voting and counting
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  Speaker 1: system and how it impacts on assessing the result and
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  Speaker 1: setting the tone for the winners and the losers. This
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  Speaker 1: is not just a matter for Queensland but also for
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  Speaker 1: all the other state elections and increasingly federal elections. Early
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  Speaker 1: voting is on the rise, taking early voting and postal
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  Speaker 1: votes together. More than half of all the votes were
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  Speaker 1: cast before polling day in Queensland. Now, first up, I
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  Speaker 1: reckon that's an issue. Election day is less important now
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  Speaker 1: and half the votes are being cast before the final
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  Speaker 1: policies are declared and before costings are revealed. Perhaps early
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  Speaker 1: voting needs to be curtailed to the final week, perhaps,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe costings need to be revealed earlier. We've got
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  Speaker 1: to have a discussion about all of that, but either way,
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  Speaker 1: we've got to do something about the way votes accounted.
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  Speaker 1: We're getting results later and later now, with the early
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  Speaker 1: discussion on election night not really reflecting the reality.
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  Speaker 8: But there are enough.
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  Speaker 9: When you go through the map per se, we will
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  Speaker 9: not see a majority from Labor and when we go
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  Speaker 9: as well to what we've been looking at previously in
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  Speaker 9: terms of where things are going to end up. Let's
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  Speaker 9: go back to our pendulum. So at this stage it's
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  Speaker 9: getting out of that labor majority. It is close to
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  Speaker 9: this majority for all and P but not there yet.
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  Speaker 9: And this is going to be a continuing watch. We'll
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  Speaker 9: see they do need an improvement in prepole. We'll keep
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  Speaker 9: going through seats and take them off the board, but
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  Speaker 9: they will need an improvement on prepole to get the majority.
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  Speaker 9: At the moment, they're not ahead in enough seats if
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  Speaker 9: the count stopped now to get majority, but.
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  Speaker 1: They can move ahead. Yeah, this is the situation you
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  Speaker 1: have now, hours into the count. That was great coverage
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  Speaker 1: as ever from Tom Connell. He was the first to
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  Speaker 1: call the result eventually, but as he was explaining there,
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  Speaker 1: hours into the count, we're all left wondering and speculat
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  Speaker 1: lading about the pre polts. This distorted early perception is
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  Speaker 1: happening because despite more than half the votes being cast
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  Speaker 1: before polling day, these early votes aren't counted early in
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  Speaker 1: the night, and for all kinds of reasons, they can
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  Speaker 1: strongly favor one party or the other. Surely these are
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  Speaker 1: the votes that should be counted first, after all, they're
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  Speaker 1: already in the Electoral Commission officers. Maybe they should be
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  Speaker 1: counted before the polls close and added in at the outset,
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  Speaker 1: giving us better information earlier. First impressions matter, And on Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: what should have been seen as a resounding win for
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  Speaker 1: the LMP was characterized as a scrappy performance, edging up
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  Speaker 1: from possible minority government to an eventual majority. In the end,
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  Speaker 1: it was a swing of about seven and a half percent,
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  Speaker 1: a fifty four percent to forty six percent two party
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  Speaker 1: preferred drubbing, leaving the LMP with a majority of six
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  Speaker 1: or more seats, bigger than Labor had. You'd take that
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  Speaker 1: any day of the week. Last Thursday, I warned you
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  Speaker 1: that you'd hear a lot of climate alarmism at the
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  Speaker 1: Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting in Samoa. Remember I showed
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  Speaker 1: you how the Pacific Islands themselves are powered largely by
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  Speaker 1: fossil fuels, some of them to the tune of one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent. But as you might have heard, leading the
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  Speaker 1: climate catastrophism at Chogham was the reigning monarch, King Charles.
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  Speaker 10: The third further urgent challenge, and one that conditions all
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  Speaker 10: other challenges. As I've done my best to emphasize for
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  Speaker 10: many years, is the existential threat of climate change.
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  Speaker 1: Well he was right about one thing. Charles has been
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  Speaker 1: banging on about this for years.
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  Speaker 11: Global warming, climate change, and the devastating loss of biodiversity
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  Speaker 11: are the greatest threats humanity has ever faced. We have,
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  Speaker 11: i'm afraid, reached a defining moment in human history, a
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  Speaker 11: tipping point at which we still have the ability to
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  Speaker 11: change course, but really only in the next ten years.
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  Speaker 12: And in the last few months we've learnt that the
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  Speaker 12: North Polar ice cap is melting so fast that some
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  Speaker 12: scientists are predicting that in seven years time it will
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  Speaker 12: completely disappear in summer. This is a last chance saloon, literally,
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  Speaker 12: because if we don't really take the decisions that are
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  Speaker 12: vital now, it's going to be forms impossible to catch up.
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  Speaker 1: Arman, it just never stops from this blog. He needs
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  Speaker 1: to read about the Boy who Cried Wolf. Charles has
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  Speaker 1: constantly told us about tipping points and crucial decades and catastrophes,
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  Speaker 1: and when it doesn't happen, he then just moves on
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  Speaker 1: to more tipping points and wild predictions. And like all
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  Speaker 1: the climate alarmis when the polar ice caps don't melt
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  Speaker 1: and the oceans don't rise. They just pretend that what
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing now we've never seen before.
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  Speaker 10: We are well passed believing it is a problem for
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  Speaker 10: the future, since it is already already undermining the development
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  Speaker 10: gains we have long fought for. This year alone, we
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  Speaker 10: have seen terrifying storms of the Caribbean, devastating flooding in
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  Speaker 10: East Africa, and catastrophic wildflowers in Canada. Lives, livelihoods, and
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  Speaker 10: human rights are at risk across the Commonwealth.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, this stuff is mindless and reckless enough. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: hurricanes are a factive life in the Caribbean, always have
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  Speaker 1: been and always will be. Likewise for floods in Africa
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  Speaker 1: or wildfires in Canada, just like bushfires in Australia. But
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  Speaker 1: more to the point, this stuff is highly political. The
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  Speaker 1: policies related to climate are highly partisan in domestic political systems,
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  Speaker 1: and they're driven by all sorts of agendas in global dela.
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  Speaker 1: So they're not a place for a reigning monarch of Britain,
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  Speaker 1: of Australia, of the Commonwealth. They are no place for
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  Speaker 1: him to indulge his personal political hobbies or predilections give
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  Speaker 1: it a rest, your majesty. Let's catch up now with
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  Speaker 1: Liberal Senator Dave Sharma alive from Sydney. Good to talk
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  Speaker 1: to you, Dave. First up, you'll take out from Queensland,
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  Speaker 1: a results largely expected that a big swing to the LMP,
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  Speaker 1: a comfortable majority government. There are no real surprises there
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  Speaker 1: in it. So do you take anything out of it federally?
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  Speaker 13: Well, I think it was a big swing to the LMPL,
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  Speaker 13: though that wasn't immediately apparent on the night, as you said,
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  Speaker 13: because the way that pre pole and postal votes account.
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  Speaker 13: But I think in the end the result has been
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  Speaker 13: quite decisive. I think the one comfort I took out
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  Speaker 13: of it particularly was the loss in the Greens vote
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  Speaker 13: and the fact that they've sent have lost one seating
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  Speaker 13: under pressure and several others. And I think it shows
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  Speaker 13: you that the sort of extremism and radicalism that's been
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  Speaker 13: embraced by Adam Bann and his fellow travelers is alienating
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  Speaker 13: a lot of Australians who might be environmentally minded but
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  Speaker 13: don't buy into the whole work ideology, demonization of Israel,
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  Speaker 13: that whole agenda that they seem to run out of Canberra.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there might be some truth in that, but my
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  Speaker 1: interpretation also is that when there's a compelling choice between
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  Speaker 1: the two major parties, you tend to see the votes
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  Speaker 1: for the minor parties fall away. I'm wondering whether you
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  Speaker 1: see that is encouraging, particularly when you see the tills.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, coming up to this election, there's going to
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  Speaker 1: be some big policy differences between the Coalition and Labor.
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  Speaker 1: We're seeing that already and the more you have that
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  Speaker 1: focus a real contest between Albanezi and Dutton, that maybe
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  Speaker 1: you're hoping that some of the Till vote will fall
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  Speaker 1: aside and you might be able to reclaim some of
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  Speaker 1: those seats.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I think there's some truth in that.
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  Speaker 13: I think David Christoph Foley run a pretty clear campaign.
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  Speaker 13: You're targeting law, order of housing, affordability, cost of living,
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  Speaker 13: and it was quite a point of difference between the
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  Speaker 13: Queensland Labor government, which wanted to spend every dollar of
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  Speaker 13: your money plus some more giving it back to people
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  Speaker 13: who probably didn't need it. It was a big difference
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  Speaker 13: between a fiscally disciplined, law and order focused government and
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  Speaker 13: economically profligate, ill disciplined government. And I think you know
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  Speaker 13: the fact that we're seeing reports that crazily some of
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  Speaker 13: the Murray Ward and other senior labor ministers that says
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  Speaker 13: suggesting that Alberanzi should echo Stephen Miles's policies of giveaways
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  Speaker 13: to everyone and no one left behind is madness, with
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  Speaker 13: good luck to them if they want to go down
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  Speaker 13: that path.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a different ballgame state politics, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that might have counted against Stephen Miles some of that.
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  Speaker 1: In the end. I want to pick your brains now.
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  Speaker 1: As a former Australian ambassador to Israel on the latest
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  Speaker 1: developments in the Middle East, we were waiting for Israel's
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  Speaker 1: hit back at Iran. It happened, of course, late last week.
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  Speaker 1: It was very targeted. What's your readout of what Israel hit.
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  Speaker 1: It seems to have been a lot of focus on
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  Speaker 1: missile delivery systems.
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  Speaker 13: Well, I think they've taken out the entirety of Iran's
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  Speaker 13: advanced aircraft and missile defense systems, the S three hundred
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  Speaker 13: system which they bought from Russia. They had four batteries.
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  Speaker 13: Israel disabled one and its strike several months ago. It
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  Speaker 13: seems to have taken out the other three. It's also
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  Speaker 13: taken out air defense sites around major petrochemical facilities, ballistic
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  Speaker 13: missile production facilities, energy facilities. So what it's basically done
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  Speaker 13: is Iran will not be able to see Israel coming
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  Speaker 13: the next time and will not be able to respond
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  Speaker 13: to it. They are pretty ineffectual in doing so this
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  Speaker 13: time because of the way Israel mounted this attack, but
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  Speaker 13: they've effectively left all their assets or Israel has rendered
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  Speaker 13: all their assets highly vulnerable to further strikes. And I
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  Speaker 13: think what that should do is put Iran's regime or
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  Speaker 13: notice that they need to draw back, because otherwise they
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  Speaker 13: are risk in quite catastrophic damage. If they're without air
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  Speaker 13: defenses and without radar systems, they're effectively blind to further attacks.
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  Speaker 13: And so I think in that way it's been very clever.
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  Speaker 1: But do you think that Iran will try and hit
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  Speaker 1: back at Israel now or this could be Allah we're
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  Speaker 1: seeing here? Are we likely to see them pull back
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  Speaker 1: the rain on Hiszbala?
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  Speaker 8: I don't think Iran is going to hit back.
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  Speaker 13: If you see what they're Supreme leader Ali Kamenei said
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  Speaker 13: it wasn't the usual promising death and destruction to the enemies.
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  Speaker 8: Iranian state media.
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  Speaker 13: Was trying to sort of show that it was business
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  Speaker 13: as usual, life as normal, trying to downplay the severity
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  Speaker 13: of these attacks and the fact that for Iranian servicemen
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  Speaker 13: were killed but there were no civilian casualties that I'm
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  Speaker 13: aware of. Lessons that need to respond, and I think
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  Speaker 13: Iran will now know that Israel has raised the stakes.
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  Speaker 13: They've crossed a rubicon here. Effectively, they've directly targeted Iran
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  Speaker 13: and owned that targeting. In the past, they've usually done
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  Speaker 13: it through clandestine means or not owning the operation, and
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  Speaker 13: I think they've seen that Israel will be willing to
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  Speaker 13: do this again. So I expect we'll see Iran pull
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  Speaker 13: back from the brink. Whether that extends though to Hazibalah
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  Speaker 13: and Hamas, it's a different question. I'm not sure that
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  Speaker 13: will necessarily translate.
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  Speaker 1: We shall see. Thanks so much for joining us, Dave,
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Dave Shama, their Liberal Senator for New South
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  Speaker 1: Wales and former Australian Ambassador to Israel. Now, as you
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  Speaker 1: might have heard, the desert mining city of Broken Hill
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  Speaker 1: in far western New South Wales has been plagued by
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  Speaker 1: blackouts and power shortages for more than ten days since
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  Speaker 1: a storm took out transmission lines. Okay, you can't help
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  Speaker 1: bad luck, can you? But hang on a minute. The
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  Speaker 1: Broken Hill area has been the focus for major renewable
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  Speaker 1: energy installations. There's solar thanks to AGEL, and then there's
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  Speaker 1: wind turbines at nearby Silverton. What we're building out here
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  Speaker 1: is huge, the scale. He's amazing. I'm Adam mckett, promann
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  Speaker 1: energy farmer.
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  Speaker 14: Everyone knows Broken Hill's proud mining history and now it's
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  Speaker 14: a renewable energy hum.
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  Speaker 1: Hundreds of millions of dollars of renewable investment coupled with
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  Speaker 1: a big battery which came with a telling promise. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: AGL said the battery project would support the reliable supply
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  Speaker 1: of electricity to Broken Hill in the event of line failure,
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  Speaker 1: as well as provide efficient grid support. Yeah. Broken Hill,
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  Speaker 1: the old mining city, was being trumpeted as a futuristic
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  Speaker 1: renewable energy hub. Well, you wouldn't read about it, would you.
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  Speaker 1: They did get line failure. The line from the generators
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  Speaker 1: in the east has been down. But the battery and
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  Speaker 1: the solar factory and the wind turbines, well they haven't
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  Speaker 1: saved Broken Hill. In fact, they've failed to power the
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  Speaker 1: Silver City. Why what happened to all that renewable energy
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  Speaker 1: and multi million dollar storage. In fact, it's been so
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  Speaker 1: bad for renewables there in the past ten days that
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  Speaker 1: people have been asked to disconnect their rooftop solar because
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  Speaker 1: it was destabilizing the network that they were trying to restart.
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  Speaker 1: What on earth is going on? Why isn't Chris Bowen
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  Speaker 1: out there? And if it's this bad in Broken Hill,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: now surrounded by solar cells, sunshine, wind turbines and the
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: big battery, what hope do we have of running the
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: whole country on this sort of renewables plus storage model.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Joining me now to unpick this is entrepreneur and renewable
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: energy enthusiast Dick Smith. Thanks for joining us. Dick, good
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: to see you. You have alerted me to this late
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: last week. This is extraordinary in simple terms, Why can't
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: all that solar energy and wind energy be pumped into
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Broken Hills?
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: They generate ten times as much energy than they need
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: in the small city of Broken Hill. But I was
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: talking to the mayor last week. He said, once the
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: power line went out, which was the coal power line
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: from Victoria, Once that went out, all of the renewables
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: got turned off, and that's the problem. If you don't
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: have base load power, don't believe what.
• 20:47
  Speaker 15: The CSRO says.
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: It's a lie. If you don't have base load power,
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: you don't have renewables.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: You needed to drive the system to stabilize the stem
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: on top.
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: We have an alternating current system that's nanized from Cans
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: to South Australia and it all runs exactly at the
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: same speed. Now you start putting in solar and wind.
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: No one has yet designed an electronic way of stabilizing it.
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: So the whole thing got turned off for ten days.
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: They spent forty seven million dollars on the battery, but
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: that would only power Brokenhill for one hour, so that.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Was pretty useless.
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: So it's an example of what's going to happen to
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: the whole of Australia if we believe we can run,
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: as the CSIRO says, ninety percent of our country on
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: renewables and storage, it's impossible.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: It's analogous to a degree to what happened in South
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Australia back in two thousand, exactly the same. It's exactly
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: once you knocked out that base load power, had all
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: that renewable energy, all that wind energy available that you
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: can't restart the system with that. You have to wait
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: till you've got a gas, gas and coal energy.
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: Why doesn't the CSOO tell us this is what I
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: can't get over now. I've been defaming the CSRO for
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: twelve months now, saying their gen coos report is a lie.
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: It's completely it's the opposite to the truth. Because they
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: are saying renewables and storage are cheaper than everything.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that's the opposite.
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: They're so expensive or unaffordable.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I think?
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: There are six directors on the CSO board. Not one
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: of them has lifted the phone and said, Dick, you're wrong.
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: Not one of those directors has said to the management,
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: let's send out a press really saying Dick Smith is wrong.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: And Aiden Morrison, like you, has been picking this apart
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: for independent studies, very meticulous analysis of all this demonstrating
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: why it's misleading and wrong. And I write about that
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: and the odds on the weekend. This is a problem.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts when I'm on that,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: because sure, there's always going to be renewable energy and
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: we all see the advantages of it, but you need
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: that baseload, as you say, as this clearly demonstrates in
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Broken Hill, So one of the options for the baseload
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: is a missions free baseload. Being new, you must have
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: been impressed by what's happening in the US with Microsoft, Amazon,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Oracle and Google all going in big major investments in
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: nuclear energy.
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but what I'm worried about is Australia. I'm worried
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: about our grandchildren and the fact that we're going to delay.
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: We'll go to nuclear eventually. But let me tell you
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: a story. I ran some ads in the Australian saying
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: if we're going to have some arenes, they have to
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: be nuclear. And my friend said to me, Dick, you're
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: wasting your money. Labor will never ever accept nuclear. It's
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: an ideology from the nineteen fifties. It will never accept nuclear.
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: One day I woke up in the morning and labor
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: had accepted nuclear.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Why did they do.
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: That because it was the only answer for the interests
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: of our country. Now it's the same with nuclear energy,
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: and I'm really worried. I want the CSOO to redo
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: their gen cost report and tell the truth this time,
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: and that is that renewables and battery are so expensive
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: they are unaffordable.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Well, in fact, they don't do a cost on that.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: This is what's laughable about this debate. Find you know,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Labor and other critics of the coalition plan saying coming
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: up with all sorts of numbers for the total capital
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: costs of nuclear saying it's unaffordable. They've never put a
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: total capital cost on the table for this renewables plus
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: storage model.
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: And our energy minister recently announced this floating wind farm
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: off Illawi, which he said it's going to provide powerful
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: one point five million homes, and the Sydney Morning helld
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: repeated that, but no one said, but what happens when
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: the wind's not bowing.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: They won't provide powerful even one home.
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: So you can't run one point five million homes off
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: intermittent wind power.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: It's impossible. It's extraordinary. Thanks so much for being a
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: voice of reason on this, Dick Smith there and the
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: people in Broken Hill now are still living through this
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: renewable energy experiment out there. Don't inflict it on the
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: whole country. We've got to learn from this now. Don't
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: go away. We have a breakdown on the other side.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I'll catch up with gem and Toonieni and Caroline drul
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: So we'll talk about Albow under pressure over how he's
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: asked Quantus for freebie upgrades, plus Tony Cancels the visa
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: of controversial right wing US influencer Candice Owns. Let's get
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: straight into some common sense from our panel, Gematon Uni
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: from gt Communications and Sky News hosts Caroline der also
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: both joining us from the wonderful city of Perth this week.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I gat to talk to you, hey. I want to
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: first off get your thoughts about what was happening on
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: the other side of the country and the election result
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: in Queensland. Caroline, very emphatic win for christ Fully in
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: the end, I don't know what all the critics could
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: have been complaining about, right.
• 25:36
  Speaker 16: Oh well, people always want more and things in politics.
• 25:40
  Speaker 16: I guess that you know, they're never as good and
• 25:41
  Speaker 16: they're never as bad as they seen. But I think
• 25:44
  Speaker 16: my understanding is the counting on the night was a
• 25:46
  Speaker 16: little bit slow, but the LMP did very very well
• 25:51
  Speaker 16: in pre poles and postals and I did have a
• 25:55
  Speaker 16: little dig into some of those seats and some of
• 25:58
  Speaker 16: the difference on prepole and postals was up to between
• 26:01
  Speaker 16: nine and even up to fourteen percent difference in that primary,
• 26:04
  Speaker 16: So there has definitely been better numbers going in the
• 26:08
  Speaker 16: way of LMP and some of that later counting. Look,
• 26:12
  Speaker 16: I think it's I think it's pretty much to be expected.
• 26:16
  Speaker 16: You know, it was you know, this whole idea of
• 26:19
  Speaker 16: all the baseball's baseball bats are out and everyone's going
• 26:22
  Speaker 16: to end up in a burna. I mean, those sorts
• 26:24
  Speaker 16: of things very rarely ever happen. But I think if
• 26:27
  Speaker 16: you look at if you look at the sentiment on
• 26:29
  Speaker 16: the ground, you look where those seats were one, particularly
• 26:32
  Speaker 16: of those regional seats where you had big youth crime issues,
• 26:36
  Speaker 16: you did see them turn and they went and voted early.
• 26:40
  Speaker 16: So that was very very interesting.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I thought, what I loved about Christoph fully is he's saying, basically,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I will be accountable for the youth crime rate and
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: forgetting the numbers of victims down, otherwise, you know, finish
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: me off for next time. He's going to have to
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: deliver on that. Let's just have a look at a
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: little bit to what he said today. After being sworn
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: in as premier.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: We campaigned on the issues that people told us they
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: wanted us focused on youth crime, health, housing and cost
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: of living. They remain our focus.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: That's going to be.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Our big focus in this term of government, to make
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: sure that people see improvement across those four issues.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jemma, He's determined to say this is what we're
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: going to do, and we're not going to bite off
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: more than we can chew. He sort of wants to
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: be the anti Campbell newman. If you like to make
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: sure that he can deliver on it and hopefully get
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: a second term.
• 27:30
  Speaker 17: Well that's just sensible, isn't it. Like you talk to
• 27:32
  Speaker 17: anyone who lives in the real economy and lives in
• 27:34
  Speaker 17: corporate life. If you over promise and under deliver, that's
• 27:39
  Speaker 17: the end of you, whereas the reverse is a pretty
• 27:42
  Speaker 17: sure far way to build long and lasting relationships that
• 27:45
  Speaker 17: deliver value. I think watching this play out, and despite
• 27:50
  Speaker 17: what it might appear, I'm actually not politically plugged in.
• 27:52
  Speaker 17: I'm not a member of a party, as we've discussed
• 27:55
  Speaker 17: on this show many many times, Chris, but it is
• 27:59
  Speaker 17: it is to coin one of my favorite Australian vernaculars,
• 28:02
  Speaker 17: the vibe of the thing. It was time and even
• 28:07
  Speaker 17: the much reported speech of former Premier Miles on election
• 28:11
  Speaker 17: night was just a really powerful, I think, indicator of
• 28:15
  Speaker 17: just how contemptuous that government was to the voters of Queensland,
• 28:19
  Speaker 17: and they repaid him.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I have to share a moment when you mentioned that
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I was riding a bike along Lake Burley Griffin on
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the weekend with my young boys and my twelve year old.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I think you've both met there. Certainly Jemma has met
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: my twelve year old. I stopped at the back of
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the High Court building and wondered if he'd recognized I said,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: what phrase comes to your mind when you look at
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: that building? And he recognized it all right. He looked
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: at me and says, it's the vibe of a thie.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I'm very very proud, very very proud of him.
• 28:47
  Speaker 17: Yeah right, smart, He's a smart kid.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Aarkue that now very quickly before we move on to
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: other topics. Are you guys into the early voting. I
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: like to turn up on the day, get the vibe
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and get the sausage sizzle and do it that way you, Jemma.
• 29:02
  Speaker 17: I am all about convenience, Chris, so I will vote
• 29:05
  Speaker 17: as early as I am legally allowed to vote and
• 29:08
  Speaker 17: cheer for the sausage democracy on the day as.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I walked past, what about you, Caroline lined up?
• 29:15
  Speaker 16: I can do either a bit like Jim. You know,
• 29:17
  Speaker 16: for me, it's it's convenience, and particularly obviously where I'm
• 29:21
  Speaker 16: at involved in organizational politics, election day can be incredibly busy,
• 29:27
  Speaker 16: so you know, God forbid I ever forgot to vote.
• 29:30
  Speaker 16: So if I can do it beforehand, I'm just hating forehand,
• 29:35
  Speaker 16: I will.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I'm just hating what it's doing to the count I
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: want the result as early as possible, and I reckon
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: it's really flavoring a lot of the commentary around it.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: But anyway, we'll keep on that case as the elections
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: loom up. Let's have a look now though, I want
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: to talk about Albow and quantas. This is an extraordinary
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: story in many ways, and Cameron Reddin from Sky News
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Canberra Bureau summed it up nicely.
• 29:56
  Speaker 18: For us friends in high places can't explain it lot
• 30:00
  Speaker 18: to revelations Anthony Alberanze had a direct line to the
• 30:04
  Speaker 18: then Quantus boss Alan Joyce, which he would use to
• 30:07
  Speaker 18: secure guaranteed flight upgrades on personal travel have him as
• 30:11
  Speaker 18: an outlier in Federal Parliament.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't have that sort of relationship with Alan Joyce.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I certainly do not ring Alan Joyce.
• 30:18
  Speaker 16: No, I don't have the quantus CEO's number in my phone.
• 30:23
  Speaker 18: The upgrades from economy to business or first class were
• 30:26
  Speaker 18: granted during his time as a Transport minister in the
• 30:30
  Speaker 18: last Labor government, even as leader of the opposition, over
• 30:33
  Speaker 18: the course of a decade.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Jemma, this is extraordinary. It's one thing to accept an
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: upgrade when it comes your way, but when you're ringing
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: the CEO asking for it and you're the Transport minister,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: there's such a direct conflict. This is crook.
• 30:51
  Speaker 17: Do you know that the extraordinary thing about the Prime
• 30:54
  Speaker 17: Minister's response to this is so reflective of every area
• 30:58
  Speaker 17: of his failure in leadership over the past period of time.
• 31:01
  Speaker 17: It's not that you declared him declared them, as he
• 31:04
  Speaker 17: says that he has, and there's certainly no proof to
• 31:06
  Speaker 17: the contrary. It's how you went about it, Prime Minister.
• 31:10
  Speaker 17: They weren't offered, and you went, oh, you don't have to,
• 31:12
  Speaker 17: but thanks so much. You got on the phone and
• 31:15
  Speaker 17: you said, oh, mate, do a bloke a favor.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. What it's the how exactly the.
• 31:21
  Speaker 17: Fact that he doesn't see that and in corporate life.
• 31:24
  Speaker 17: Let me tell you right now that kind of conflict
• 31:27
  Speaker 17: of interest would more than likely be the end of you.
• 31:30
  Speaker 17: It is an extraordinary double standard, and it is this
• 31:33
  Speaker 17: failure of leadership and recognition that I'm going to make it.
• 31:38
  Speaker 17: I'm going to make a big call, Chris. I think
• 31:39
  Speaker 17: it's the end of this government. I think it's one
• 31:41
  Speaker 17: of the going to be one of the final nails
• 31:42
  Speaker 17: in the coffin. Because everybody else I know is doing
• 31:45
  Speaker 17: their budgets hard, watching every penny and this mob unbelievable.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Well, let me show you how it affects all the
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: rest of them too. Obviously the main focus is on OLBO,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: but have a look at Bill Shorten, near the previous
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: labor leader, and see how he tries to dismiss this.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you're sort of suggesting a transport
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: minister shouldn't catch aeroplanes and the said should hitchhike up
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: to hum Highway. I don't think that's realistic. Talk about
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: a diversion there, Caroline, you know, just ridiculous.
• 32:15
  Speaker 16: Absolutely absolutely.
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 32:17
  Speaker 16: Firstly, you know, like with anything, never get between a
• 32:21
  Speaker 16: socialist and a free beat, right, But it all comes
• 32:24
  Speaker 16: down to it all comes down to judgment. It's like
• 32:28
  Speaker 16: that incident earlier in the year where I think it
• 32:31
  Speaker 16: was Albert maybe Richard Males, where they had so much
• 32:34
  Speaker 16: of so much entourage that they couldn't fit into one
• 32:37
  Speaker 16: chartered plane, so they took two chartered planes which left
• 32:40
  Speaker 16: twenty six minutes apart. Are they entitled to do that, Yes,
• 32:45
  Speaker 16: it appears they are.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Does it look good?
• 32:48
  Speaker 16: No, no it doesn't. And you know what, sometimes just
• 32:51
  Speaker 16: because you can do things, you shouldn't do things. It's
• 32:54
  Speaker 16: like I call it the pedal pusher theory. Like just
• 32:57
  Speaker 16: some people can get away with wearing pedal pushes, some
• 33:00
  Speaker 16: people can't get away with wearing pedal pushes. I'm one
• 33:03
  Speaker 16: of those people who can't get away with wearing little bushes.
• 33:06
  Speaker 16: So even if they don't fit they do fit me,
• 33:08
  Speaker 16: I still.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Don't wear them, just so I can be on the
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: on the joke. What's a pedal pusher. It's a pair
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: of pants.
• 33:18
  Speaker 17: It's like crops, ladies pans, typically a nice cotton or
• 33:21
  Speaker 17: a linen. They're very good in the summer. I don't
• 33:22
  Speaker 17: think Caroline's being fairs.
• 33:27
  Speaker 16: Mid shin anything.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, I'm with you. The short trousers.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to display my ignorance. Let's let's go on
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: to another topic. I want to talk about Candice O
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: on the American Commentator. I'm going to say, back during
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: the Black Lives Movement protests and whatever, I thought, she
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: was a fantastic voice of sensible conservatism in the US.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
• 33:50
  Speaker 19: We buy a T shirt to actually do something that
• 33:53
  Speaker 19: was inclusive, to say, actually, wait, Americans, you are allowed
• 33:56
  Speaker 19: to be a part of this too, because literally, all
• 33:59
  Speaker 19: lives matter, and in fact, no lives have been mattering.
• 34:02
  Speaker 19: Black Americans are suffering as a result because of Black
• 34:04
  Speaker 19: Lives Matter. We know that their neighborhoods have been rioted
• 34:07
  Speaker 19: in inner city communities and the businesses are moving out
• 34:09
  Speaker 19: of there. The results of Black Lives Matter has been
• 34:11
  Speaker 19: white supremacy, assuming that Black Americans were stupid and emotional
• 34:15
  Speaker 19: and would loot and riot their own communities to fill
• 34:18
  Speaker 19: a false narrative about policing. And so we got to
• 34:21
  Speaker 19: say all of that by wearing.
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: One T shirt.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: All right, So she was a strong conservative voice and
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: obviously very powerful on these rice issues in the US,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: But all of light, she's gone old loopy and Andy Semitic.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
• 34:35
  Speaker 20: Catholics and Christians were going missing on Passover. Then they
• 34:40
  Speaker 20: would find bodies, okay, across Europe, and they were able
• 34:44
  Speaker 20: to trace them back to Jews, blood lebel.
• 34:47
  Speaker 19: They weren't Jews, okay, these were Frankests.
• 34:49
  Speaker 20: Unless the nation of Israel may have been established by
• 34:53
  Speaker 20: some Frankists.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Okay. So she was due to come to Australia for
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: speaking to a Caroline, but the the Labor Party is
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: knocked back her visa. She's not coming here band on
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: character grounds. The Coalition agrees with that decision. Is it
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the right move? Should she be banned or just debated?
• 35:14
  Speaker 16: Well, it's one of those things. Like personally, and I've
• 35:16
  Speaker 16: said this on this show many times, I am very much,
• 35:21
  Speaker 16: you know, as much of a free speech absolutist as
• 35:24
  Speaker 16: you can be. I like to know where the morons
• 35:27
  Speaker 16: are in clear sight, right in front of me. Obviously,
• 35:30
  Speaker 16: with the exception of inciting violence and that sort of thing.
• 35:34
  Speaker 16: I understand that she has gone a little bit, let's
• 35:36
  Speaker 16: just call it off the rails recently. I'm not across
• 35:39
  Speaker 16: what she says. I don't watch her, I don't follow her.
• 35:42
  Speaker 16: If she has said anything that is that does go
• 35:45
  Speaker 16: into that insiding of violence. I do have an issue
• 35:48
  Speaker 16: with that, but I do equally we need to be
• 35:51
  Speaker 16: a bit careful about these sorts of things, about picking
• 35:54
  Speaker 16: and choosing which opinions we do like and which we
• 35:57
  Speaker 16: do want to hear. I think, you know, if we
• 36:00
  Speaker 16: can debate views, that is always the preferred approach in
• 36:04
  Speaker 16: my view. On this one in particular, I don't know
• 36:06
  Speaker 16: enough about her to.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Call it just quickly, Jimmy. What strikes me is there
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: means so many anti anti Israel, anti Semitic hate preachers
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: who have been allowed into this country on all sorts
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: of visas. This is a new toughness that will be
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: applied to them as well, I would hope so. Or
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: is it only because she's from the far right rather
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: than from the Islamist left?
• 36:27
  Speaker 17: If you like, well you just read my mind, Chris.
• 36:32
  Speaker 17: I like Caroline, I sort of. In fact, I said
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  Speaker 17: to Caroline the other day, what's happened to this woman?
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  Speaker 17: I used to think she was reasonably sensible, and now
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  Speaker 17: she seems to be slightly off pieced. But I would
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  Speaker 17: like to see the federal government using the laws that
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  Speaker 17: are available to it already to tackle the regular documented
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  Speaker 17: reported hate preaching out of certain electorates that are materially
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  Speaker 17: impacting on the federal government that week in, week out
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  Speaker 17: call for hateful things to be done too, and about
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  Speaker 17: Australia's Jewish community. I would like to see them tackling that.
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  Speaker 17: Candice owns she could probably be debated and frankly on
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  Speaker 17: a show like yours, Chris you.
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  Speaker 8: Know, exposed for the you know with reviewshare.
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  Speaker 17: Geologically challenged person she seems to have become. But what
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  Speaker 17: is the federal government doing about the hate that is
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  Speaker 17: being regularly preached in our own backyard?
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  Speaker 1: That's indeed spot on. Just before we go US politics,
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Kamala Harris have spent the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of days telling the world why the other is unfit
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  Speaker 1: to be in office. But the current president has told
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  Speaker 1: us there's nothing wrong with him, And to the.
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  Speaker 5: Healer River community, the.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Healer nothing wrong with me, the man as We'll leave
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  Speaker 1: him there.
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  Speaker 8: With that thought, I.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Better wrap it up and thank you both for joining me.
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  Speaker 1: Germans On Uni and Caroline So Joe Biden says there's
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: nothing wrong with him. I'm not still the calm. I'm
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: going to catch up with the esteam US journalist, author,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: and foreign policy advisor Robert D. Kaplan. You'll join me
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  Speaker 1: live in the studio. Look, the horrors of war and
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: the imperfect choices presented to political leaders could hardly be
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  Speaker 1: more obvious to us now as we consider the conflicts
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  Speaker 1: in the Middle East and Ukraine, and we worry about
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: the muscular posturing across the Taiwan Straits. Esteemed American foreign
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  Speaker 1: correspondent and author Robert D. Kaplan's latest book, The Tragic Mind,
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  Speaker 1: delves into classic literature and philosophy to discuss difficult choices
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  Speaker 1: in statecraft and I guess the absence of ideal outcomes,
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  Speaker 1: he joins me. Now, welcome to the program, Robert. Great
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  Speaker 1: to meet you.
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  Speaker 15: It's a pleasure to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I find it fascinating looking at your book and
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: talking about and you talk about how you can you
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  Speaker 1: can know your geography and your borders and your politics
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  Speaker 1: if you like. But in the end, it comes back
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  Speaker 1: to age old choices and philosophy of leader and what
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  Speaker 1: those leaders do that make that are making these choices.
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  Speaker 1: And we're seeing this play out right now, aren't we
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  Speaker 1: with leaders like the mullas in Iran and Benjamin NETANYAHUU
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  Speaker 1: in Israel.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, it's all about geography until it becomes all about Shakespeare.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and you know, and.
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  Speaker 15: That's really what it's about. The geography. Geopolitics sets the stage,
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  Speaker 15: the framework, but on the stage or human beings who
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  Speaker 15: cannot be reduced to test tubes in a chemical experiment.
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  Speaker 1: And you talk about how there's it's not as clear
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  Speaker 1: and obvious as choices between good and evil that people
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: like to set out. And that's very easy to understand
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  Speaker 1: when you talk about a situation like Ukraine, for instance,
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  Speaker 1: where there's been geopolitics in that area for generations and
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  Speaker 1: you have to worry about nationalism and NATO's But surely
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  Speaker 1: with what we're seeing in Israel at the moment, it
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  Speaker 1: is existential for Israel. They have to hit back at
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  Speaker 1: a number of enemies, probably all financed and encourages by Iran,
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  Speaker 1: but a number of enemies essentially just trying to kill
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  Speaker 1: its people.
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  Speaker 15: Yes, Iran for decades is practiced forward defense, meaning nobody
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  Speaker 15: will attack us because we will fight from Hesbalaan, Lebanon
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  Speaker 15: will fight from Hamas, and Gaza will fight from the
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  Speaker 15: hutis in Yemen. But what Israel is doing is it's
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  Speaker 15: methodically destroying Iran's forward defense and taking the fight directly
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  Speaker 15: to Iran. And I would say this is going to
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  Speaker 15: go back and forth indefinitely until and I'm not being
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  Speaker 15: apocalyptic here, until there is regime change in Iran, which
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  Speaker 15: will come not by any invasion or anything like that.
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  Speaker 15: But Iran, you know, as another Washington Now lists once said,
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  Speaker 15: it's like a country ruled by a narrow clique of
• 41:04
  Speaker 15: North Koreans in a country of South Koreans. And did
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  Speaker 15: you know, it's just tremendously unpopular regime there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And most of those large Sunni nations in the
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  Speaker 1: Arab world would want that to happen to the Saudi
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  Speaker 1: Arabia prominently.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, because the Saudis actually had good relationships with the
• 41:26
  Speaker 15: Shah of Iran when the Shah was in power, because
• 41:29
  Speaker 15: the Shah was secular, so the Sunni Shiyed split was
• 41:33
  Speaker 15: not as pronounced when Iran had a secular trending regime.
• 41:37
  Speaker 15: But when the Mullas took over, you know, when it
• 41:40
  Speaker 15: became an Islamic shiied clericy, then you had this this
• 41:46
  Speaker 15: split between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
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  Speaker 1: Two big questions I want to try and get your
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  Speaker 1: pithy answers on. One is then what happens now with Ukraine?
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  Speaker 1: Does that become a stalemate for the foreseeable future, or
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: does the West do enough to help Vladimir Zelensky reclaim
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  Speaker 1: his country.
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  Speaker 15: I think what's going to happen no matter who wins
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  Speaker 15: in the US election, there's going to be a move
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  Speaker 15: towards negotiations sometime in twenty twenty five, because every month
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  Speaker 15: that the Ukraine War goes on, even though the Russians
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  Speaker 15: have the upper hand at the moment, it is nevertheless
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  Speaker 15: weakening the Russian Empire across the Caucasus, Central Asia, Siberia,
• 42:32
  Speaker 15: the Russian Far East. Russia does not have the capacity
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  Speaker 15: to continue this war indefinitely, and the Ukrainians of course
• 42:43
  Speaker 15: don't either.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned the election. This was my final question.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Then when you talk about the power of the personality
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  Speaker 1: the individual in these great moments in history, who will
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: be a stronger and better leader. I suppose a more
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: stable Leada for the free wild Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 15: The way you pose the question, it would seem like
• 43:06
  Speaker 15: it would be Trump because he's strong, but actually it
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  Speaker 15: would be Harris because she will. She will run a methodical,
• 43:15
  Speaker 15: a methodical administration stacked to the gills with the most
• 43:19
  Speaker 15: qualified assistant secretaries, deputy assistant secretaries, you know, secretaries, because
• 43:26
  Speaker 15: America is like an imperial power and it runs through
• 43:30
  Speaker 15: a foreign policy bureaucracy. And the bureaucracy, though it's been
• 43:35
  Speaker 15: belittled in being called a deep state, is actually quite impressive.
• 43:39
  Speaker 15: It's actually quite quite professionals.
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  Speaker 1: Under Trump, things are far more volatile.
• 43:46
  Speaker 15: And far less professional and where they'll be far less
• 43:50
  Speaker 15: followed through at the lower levels.
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  Speaker 1: Right to talk to you, Robert. The book is The
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Tragic Mind, and Robert is a guest of the Ramsey Center.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: He's an elect thure are coming up the Tragedy of
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: twenty fifth century Geopolitics that's been held this Thursday in Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: So to register you can go to Ramseycenter dot org.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks again for joining us, Robert, appreciate it. Now after
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: the break, we're going to catch up with SOFIA on
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  Speaker 1: media issues, including a controversy over a nine newspaper effort
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  Speaker 1: that's been dubbed appalling and ill informed. Let's sketch up
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  Speaker 1: with Sophie E'sworth, media writer for The Australian, joining us
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  Speaker 1: from Melbourne. Thanks for joining us again, Sophie. A great
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: story you had today. Disturbing on really about a cartoon
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  Speaker 1: in the Age and the Sydney Morning Herald that's had
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  Speaker 1: to be altered because of complaints from Jewish readers.
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  Speaker 14: That's right, Chris, So Alan Moyer did this cartoon that
• 44:49
  Speaker 14: published on Saturday, which some would argue likened the Israeli
• 44:54
  Speaker 14: Prime Minister to a terrorist or organization harmass as you
• 44:59
  Speaker 14: can see in that in May.
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  Speaker 1: The spelling of.
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  Speaker 14: Netna who was also wrong, and the star of David
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  Speaker 14: was inaccurately inaccurately represented Instead of six points, it had five,
• 45:12
  Speaker 14: and some would argue that was a symbol of Satan.
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  Speaker 14: So there was a lot of issues with this cartoon, Chris,
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  Speaker 14: and it resulted in the editors at the Age and
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  Speaker 14: the SMH having the cartoon altered and amended, and also
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  Speaker 14: a correction published in the paper today was the amendment.
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  Speaker 1: The number of points on the star was that the issue.
• 45:36
  Speaker 14: It was the number of points on the star, and
• 45:39
  Speaker 14: also the incorrect spelling was the thing that they did
• 45:43
  Speaker 14: say that was wrong. But there was a deep offense
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  Speaker 14: caused within the Jewish community over this cartoon.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can understand that. I think the star
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: thing is problematic but probably a mistake, and I think
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: the cartoons appalling because as you see, that effectively equates
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: at Yahoo with Hummus, which to me is just factually
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: and morally horrent. But the point is that's the why
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of people out there and the loopy left
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: are thinking these days. So if they want to do
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  Speaker 1: a cartoon, and good on them. I'm not for sort
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  Speaker 1: of banning any cartoon like that, and there's no suggestion
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  Speaker 1: it will be banned. But what I like about cartoonist though, Sophia,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: is they'll make a point and it might actually be
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  Speaker 1: funny as well. There's no joking. This is just a horrible,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: horrible and nasty smear against Netanyahu and therefore, in many
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: respects to half of Israel at least because of equating
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  Speaker 1: them with Hummus, is horrific. Let's go to a couple
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: of stars from Nine Newspapers and former stars in Mike
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Carlton and the Peter fitz Simon's. They're often active on
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Twitter and railing against the Left, but they're talked about
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: banning or sorry dropping the canceling their subscriptions to the
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Washington Post because it refused to endorse either candidate in
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: the US election. Now so fe that the Washington Post
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: is always going to endorse the left candidate, the Democrat
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: candidate if they can. They just can't bring themselves to
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: endorse Kamala Harris, presumably because she's so hopeless.
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  Speaker 14: Well, and also the Washington Post is owned by a billionaire,
• 47:18
  Speaker 14: Jeff Bezos, and not forgetting that he will have to
• 47:21
  Speaker 14: do business with Donald Trump should Donald Trump win. So
• 47:24
  Speaker 14: there's argument out there that the Washington Post decided to
• 47:28
  Speaker 14: steer clear of backing either candidate. But Mike and Peter
• 47:32
  Speaker 14: FitzSimons were terribly distressed over the weekend about this, both
• 47:36
  Speaker 14: canceling their subscriptions, and goodness knows how they will cope
• 47:40
  Speaker 14: if US presidential candidate for the Republicans, Donald Trump, is successful.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: They'll be angry. I mean it must be tough. I mean,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: if they're retired millionaires of the North Shore of Sydney
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: can't read the Washington Post, what are they going to
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: read instead?
• 47:57
  Speaker 14: Well, they had, I do say, they've got the New
• 48:00
  Speaker 14: York Time subscription, so.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Can always read the New York Times, and bros watch
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: the ABC and that'll confirm their worldview to them every day.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Sophie, appreciate it. You read stuff, Sophie,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: stuff in the Australian of course with the media section
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  Speaker 1: on Mondays. Just quickly, I want to get to include
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: some of your feedback from what Alexander Danner and I
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: were talking about last Thursday, saying how there should be
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: calls for Hummas to surrender. Anthony says, surrender unconditionally, not negotiate.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Tell that to the US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: and another viewer says the IDF has wiped out America's
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: most wanted for years. The US should be thankful to Israel. Indeed,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: that's the way to end the war and get the
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  Speaker 1: terrorists to surrender and hand back the hostages. Thanks so
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  Speaker 1: much for joining me. I'll see you tomorrow night at
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  Speaker 1: five