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Cult Mom Lori Vallow Scribbles Notes When Sex Affair With 'Prophet' Exposed in Court · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Cult Mom Laurie Valo.
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  Speaker 3: As we all know, the trial is going fast and furious,
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  Speaker 3: testimony and evidence pouring from the witness stand as now
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  Speaker 3: we begin to see cult Mom Laurie Valo's inner circle
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  Speaker 3: beginning to turn against her.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for being with us here at Paccination in Serious
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  Speaker 3: Sex sem one eleven.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, I want you to.
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  Speaker 3: Take a listen to the prior contestant in the Missus
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  Speaker 3: Texas pageant.
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  Speaker 4: And Laurie Ryan.
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  Speaker 2: She is Missus Hayes County. Her husband saying day and
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  Speaker 2: marry three and two children. Laurie does have stage present.
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  Speaker 2: She's very poised. She did everything beautifully. Tell us who
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  Speaker 2: you are what she did?
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  Speaker 3: Dad?
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  Speaker 5: Mom is very important to meet a wife and a good.
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  Speaker 2: Worker and being all those things together. It's not easy.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm basically a twoking time ball.
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  Speaker 2: Hi.
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  Speaker 7: Hey doing Laurie Laurie Ryan from Austin, Texas.
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  Speaker 2: We're stylist in Austin. Hey right, the best? How was
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  Speaker 2: the hair in Austin?
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  Speaker 3: It's good goods that happening.
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  Speaker 4: Place, probably thanks to you.
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  Speaker 7: Talk about your family a little bit I have a.
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  Speaker 5: Wonderful husband, Joseph at home, who is watching our two
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  Speaker 5: beautiful children, Colby who's seven, and Tylie.
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  Speaker 2: Who is one. Yep, what do you guys like to
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  Speaker 2: do for fun?
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  Speaker 6: Now?
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  Speaker 5: We like to play all kinds of sports on our
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  Speaker 5: three acres.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, it sounds like we have a nice life there.
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  Speaker 2: We did, Engratulations, leased to have you with us.
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  Speaker 3: They did until Joseph Ryan ended up dead. Let's see
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  Speaker 3: which husband was that, Jackie two? I think number two.
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  Speaker 3: Now I've got Charles Valo is dead. Now I've got
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  Speaker 3: Tyley dead, We've got JJ dead.
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  Speaker 2: We've got the wife of.
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  Speaker 3: Her new husband, number five, the prophet Chad Dabill dead.
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  Speaker 3: That would be Tammy Davil. I'm missing a body, who
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  Speaker 3: is it? Let's see.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure Nate Eaton can help me.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't totally memorized my flow chart, but that's what
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  Speaker 3: I need to attach all the dead bodies to cult. Mom,
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  Speaker 3: Laurie Valo, you were just hearing Lori Vello competing in
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  Speaker 3: Missus Texas and then again on the Will of Fortune
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  Speaker 3: with Pat Sajak as she describes her happy life with
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  Speaker 3: Joseph Ryan before he ends up dead. Nate Eaton joining me,
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  Speaker 3: news director Easidaho news dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Nate, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: I understand that calte Mam Laurievalo's quote inner circle is
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  Speaker 3: turning on her.
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean by that?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, for the past few days, two of her very
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  Speaker 8: very close friends during all of this took the stand
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  Speaker 8: in court and made told all they spilled the tea
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  Speaker 8: you could say about casting quote unquote zombies out of people,
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  Speaker 8: about the text messages that we're going back and forth
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  Speaker 8: about how the night that somebody showed up in Tammy
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  Speaker 8: Davell's driveway with a gun and fired it at her.
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  Speaker 8: Laurie then texted, we now that that was Alex Cox,
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  Speaker 8: her brother. By the way, Laurie then texted when Tammy
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  Speaker 8: did not die, that she couldn't do anything right, that
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  Speaker 8: he was an idiot and a moron.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Well, wh why why you got me drinking from
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  Speaker 3: the fire hydrant again? And to the rest of the panel,
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  Speaker 3: do I have to remind you, especially you doctor Michael Bowden,
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  Speaker 3: We're not having high tea at Windsor Castle with King Charles.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, jump in when you have a thought.
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  Speaker 9: Alex was the one you were looking for. Alex before
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  Speaker 9: you were looking for the last one.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Alex Cox, thank you, thank you so Nate Eaton,
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  Speaker 3: let me understand this before we even get to we're
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  Speaker 3: still talking.
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  Speaker 2: About JJ and Tiler here too. Children. One was basically
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  Speaker 2: her medically sealed and duct tape and plastic. That was JJ.
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  Speaker 2: Tilely was dismembered and rendered down to there's.
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  Speaker 3: No nice way to put it, a bucket full of
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  Speaker 3: human fat and flesh that had been burned, charred. That
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  Speaker 3: was what was left of this beautiful teen girl, Tylely.
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  Speaker 3: But you're talking about texts and you got into Tammy
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  Speaker 3: daybill her death. Alice Cox took a shot at her.
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  Speaker 3: She wrongly thought it was somebody doing a prank with
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  Speaker 3: a paintball gun. And after he didn't kill her in
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  Speaker 3: her driveway, are you saying that called mom? Laurie Valo
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  Speaker 3: sent him a series of vengeful texts and messages because
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  Speaker 3: he failed.
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  Speaker 8: Well, that very night, Laurie was gathered with this close
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  Speaker 8: group of friends to do a casting ceremony which they
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  Speaker 8: said they were trying to cast the evil spirits out
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  Speaker 8: of Tammy. And at the end of this ceremony, Laurie
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  Speaker 8: said that was the said that was great, And then
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  Speaker 8: she got a call and these friends testified that on
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  Speaker 8: that call, she was saying, he's an idiot, he's a moron,
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  Speaker 8: he can't do anything right. At the time, the friends
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  Speaker 8: did not know that Alex Cox was an Idaho supposedly
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  Speaker 8: taking a shot at Tammy in the driveway. But Laurie
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  Speaker 8: was furious that whatever was going on there didn't happen.
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  Speaker 8: Then ten days later, Tammy Davell dies in her sleep.
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  Speaker 8: We now know of ashixiation.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was determined to be manual strangulation.
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  Speaker 8: No assixiation. They said that the other.
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  Speaker 2: Day in corp just asphyxiation.
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  Speaker 8: Correct.
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  Speaker 3: Yea. So when the brother failed taking a shot at her,
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  Speaker 3: she had to die another way. I think I hear.
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  Speaker 3: Doctor Michael Bodden. First of all, let me introduce to you,
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  Speaker 3: doctor Biden, a long time.
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  Speaker 2: Colleague and friend goes back a long time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we really do, doctor Biden, And not necessarily because
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  Speaker 3: of your your fame as being one of the world's
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  Speaker 3: most pre eminent medical examiners, but because I'm friends with
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  Speaker 3: your wife.
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  Speaker 2: That's how that happened.
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  Speaker 3: Doctor Michael Boden, former Chief medical examiner in New York City,
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  Speaker 3: never a lack of business there. Co director of New
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  Speaker 3: York State Police Medico Legal Investigations, author of American Autopsy
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  Speaker 3: and you can find him at doctor Michael Boden dot com.
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  Speaker 2: What were you saying? Doctor?
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  Speaker 9: What I was going to say with Tammy was odd?
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  Speaker 9: Was initially when she was found dead back in October nineteenth,
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  Speaker 9: twenty nineteen, and autopsy was not done. She was exhumed
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  Speaker 9: a year later, in December, well about a year later,
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  Speaker 9: I think, And as far as I could find, I
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  Speaker 9: hadn't listened in the trial. The results had not been released,
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  Speaker 9: but I guess the results were assixiation. That assisiation could
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  Speaker 9: be a net compression or just putting a pillow over
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  Speaker 9: nose and mouth just means you couldn't breathe.
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  Speaker 2: So how do you tell? Doctor Michael bidden?
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  Speaker 3: And I know I've taken us off on a tangent,
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  Speaker 3: but I blame Nate Eaton completely for that. We were
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  Speaker 3: talking about tiling and JJ that was my plan. But
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  Speaker 3: you have to go where the evidence takes you. How
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  Speaker 3: can you look at a body, Dr Boden and tell
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  Speaker 3: whether the person died of manual ligature or asphyxiation, And
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  Speaker 3: what are the differences.
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  Speaker 9: Well, asphyxiation means the person can breathe is of course,
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  Speaker 9: it is the mechanism of death, but a net compression,
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  Speaker 9: manual ligature, or holding a pillow over the nose and
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  Speaker 9: mouth cause death the same way. So asphyxiation can occur
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  Speaker 9: in a number of different ways, especially if she's found
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  Speaker 9: in bed and has a strong husband. Just putting a
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  Speaker 9: pillow over the nose, mouth and holding down for a
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  Speaker 9: few minutes can cause death and leave no marks. That's
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  Speaker 9: the most difficult kind of death to determine at autopsy.
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  Speaker 9: You have to a lot of other information. But the
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  Speaker 9: autopsy should also have looked for fractures of the highway
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  Speaker 9: bone or the thyroid cartilage, which could be helpful in
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  Speaker 9: determining if there was manual strangulation, and if there's ligature
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  Speaker 9: mark around the neck, which may or may not be
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  Speaker 9: apparent after exhumation.
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  Speaker 3: Fill Waters with us for more Homicide detective with the
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  Speaker 3: Houston PD, President and CEO of Kindred Spirits Investigations and Security,
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  Speaker 3: Phil thanks a lot for being with us. I'm just
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  Speaker 3: really stunned that authorities did not insist on an autopsy
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  Speaker 3: at the time, because you've got a husband as he says,
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  Speaker 3: sleeping away, and he wakes up and his wife is
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  Speaker 3: whoops dead and it was.
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  Speaker 2: Believed she quote died in her sleep.
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  Speaker 3: I guess a heart attack, But I mean he was
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  Speaker 3: already having a sex affair with Caltmam Laurie Vello. That
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  Speaker 3: would be enough to raise a big red flag for me.
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  Speaker 10: It is one of those situations you'd already used the term.
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  Speaker 10: When I was a holicide detective. I always let the
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  Speaker 10: able just leave me where I need to be, and
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  Speaker 10: it's always a journey for the truth. And the problem
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  Speaker 10: is at the time, people, investigators, the authorities, they don't
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  Speaker 10: know what they don't know. Now, there's nothing at the
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  Speaker 10: scene that would indicate that there was some sort of
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  Speaker 10: suspicious death surrounding Tammy. I can understand why they did
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  Speaker 10: not call for an autopsy.
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  Speaker 3: You do understand when a forty nine year old woman
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  Speaker 3: who was in training for a marathon just dies in
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  Speaker 3: her sleep without a sound.
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  Speaker 10: The guy that wrote the book Running died of a
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  Speaker 10: heart attack while he was running at an early ag
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  Speaker 10: up in me.
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  Speaker 2: He died running.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, I'll probably have atack going up the stairs. But
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I can understand dying of a heart
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  Speaker 3: attack while you're running.
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  Speaker 10: But when you're sleeping, well, people that die, and there's
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  Speaker 10: been people that die in their sleep all the time.
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  Speaker 3: A minute, Phil Waters, I know you are a renowned
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  Speaker 3: homicide detective, but I'm not taking your medical advice.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, doctor Budden.
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  Speaker 3: The people usually kill over in their sleep from a
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  Speaker 3: heart attack.
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  Speaker 10: But what I'm saying is is that at the time,
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  Speaker 10: if there is nothing that would indicate that there's something
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  Speaker 10: suspicious about is if that I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Holding I'm literally holding my nose right now because that stinks.
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  Speaker 10: I'm just telling you you have to look at these
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  Speaker 10: things objectively when I get there, and I'm just saying
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  Speaker 10: that if there wasn't something there that that showed it
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  Speaker 10: was something other than a medical death, there would have
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  Speaker 10: been no reason for an automation.
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  Speaker 2: Phil Waters. Well wait, Phil Waters? Are you there? Phil Good? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: speak up, because I'm losing you. I can't really hear
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  Speaker 2: you that.
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  Speaker 4: Well, look, you're gonna have an optopy in Florida for tour.
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  Speaker 2: Dell Carson Waters. What do I have to do to
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  Speaker 2: get a sound check in this place? Phil? Say something?
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  Speaker 10: Well, I wasn't talking that everybody else is talking.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Good Okay, now stop, doctor Bowden. Wait a minute,
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  Speaker 3: Phil Waters, are you married, Yes, ma'am, stop right there.
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  Speaker 2: Stop. That was a yes.
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  Speaker 3: No, Because if you die in the middle of the
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  Speaker 3: night with no prior history of heart problems, and your
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  Speaker 3: wife is texting and sleeping with some other guy, God forbid,
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  Speaker 3: and she tells me, oh, he died in his sleep,
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  Speaker 3: don't worry, Phil, I'm gonna throw her face down on
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  Speaker 3: the floor and arrest her with the paracuffs and drag
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  Speaker 3: her out by her toes. Okay, and you can tell
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  Speaker 3: her that for me, because I'm not buying it. That
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  Speaker 3: said to doctor Michael By, I didn't know people typically
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  Speaker 3: kill over dad in their sleep with a heart attack.
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  Speaker 9: Well, yeah, that's a common way. People who have pre
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  Speaker 9: existing diagnosed severe corner or artery disease can die in
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  Speaker 9: their sleep.
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  Speaker 2: How about no pre existing like Tammy Davis.
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  Speaker 9: And it's very unusual to die in your sleep with
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  Speaker 9: it if you don't have pre existing evidence of heart disease.
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  Speaker 9: But in this justice in some states require the medical
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  Speaker 9: examiner to get involved. Others like where what I read
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  Speaker 9: through about Tammy Chad had objected to it, did not
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  Speaker 9: want an autopsy and apparently if the Mexican doesn't want
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  Speaker 9: an autopsy unless there's something obvious at the scene, they
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  Speaker 9: just signed it out without an autopsy because he was
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  Speaker 9: the next akin.
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  Speaker 2: And so let me one more time. And I know
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  Speaker 2: it's hard to get doctor Biden to answer yes or no.
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  Speaker 2: I hate to even try to cross examine it.
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  Speaker 3: I might as well go back in the courtroom because
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  Speaker 3: I'm a JD, not a DD.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not good at pulling teeth, but.
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  Speaker 3: I declare all of you on this panelists hostile witnesses
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  Speaker 3: right now.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so that's what's going to be. So doctor Boden to.
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  Speaker 3: Reiterate, with no prior history of heart problems, heart murmurs,
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  Speaker 3: heart anything, no history, you would agree with me that
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  Speaker 3: it's highly unlikely that Tammy Dave Bill killed over intersleep
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  Speaker 3: with a heart attack.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, I agree with that.
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  Speaker 2: How long did that take me? Eight minutes.
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  Speaker 10: We're looking at this, we're looking at this as what
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  Speaker 10: we know now, we're looking at it backwards. So I'm
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  Speaker 10: just saying at the time, and I'm not defending anybody here,
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  Speaker 10: I'm just saying, at the time, at the time, there
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  Speaker 10: was nothing to suggest that this was suspicious and just
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  Speaker 10: as doctor Biden is alluded to, if the request for
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  Speaker 10: an autopsy is by virtue of a the next of
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  Speaker 10: Ken and the next of Ki and it says they
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  Speaker 10: don't want one, and that's what they're going to abide
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  Speaker 10: by it.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know about you, guys, but when the
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  Speaker 3: nextic Kain says I don't want an autopsy, that's exactly
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  Speaker 3: when I'm going to start questioning them separately.
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  Speaker 4: That said, let's.
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  Speaker 2: Tell you, speaking of texting and emailing and sneaky sex
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  Speaker 2: where nobody can find out you're with the person, let's
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  Speaker 2: take a listen to a not so sneaky email our
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  Speaker 2: cut two three seven. Take a listen to this. I
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  Speaker 2: bet you can figure out who this is.
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  Speaker 6: From Charles at Wright Planning Group. Email address to Tammy
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  Speaker 6: dot davel at gmail dot com on June thirtieth, at
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  Speaker 6: twenty nineteen, at ten sixteen am. The subject line in
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  Speaker 6: the email is your husband and my wife and the
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  Speaker 6: body of the email reading are having an affair. Her
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  Speaker 6: name is Lori Valo. I've got definite proof or definitive proof.
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  Speaker 6: If you care to see it, contact me and I'll
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  Speaker 6: share it with you. It's devastating. I know, but the
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  Speaker 6: truth needs to be shown. Charles Valow, and from your
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  Speaker 6: review of the device, were you able to determine whether
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  Speaker 6: or not Tammy Dabo would have actually read these emails.
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  Speaker 6: I did contact at least Sugar Salem School District and
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  Speaker 6: asked if those were read. There's no indication that they were.
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  Speaker 6: They said they could have been deleted, read and deleted
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  Speaker 6: or just deleted, but there's no indication.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Nate aiden he's directorside news dot com. Well that sure.
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  Speaker 3: Let's just say here's a legal term. That's the turd
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  Speaker 3: in the in the punch bowl. All right, there goes
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  Speaker 3: Tammy day Bill's happy life. She was living in blissful
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  Speaker 3: ignorance about her husband. And believe me, I don't think
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  Speaker 3: that cal Malmory Valo was special.
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  Speaker 2: I think there were many other women that he would
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  Speaker 2: this was actually his punchline. I might need to shrink
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  Speaker 2: on this, Doctor Anderson. He would say, you've lived a
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  Speaker 2: prior life, and you and I were married, so basically
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  Speaker 2: we've already had six so there's nothing wrong with it.
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  Speaker 3: Don't try that at a bar anybody, but Nate Ayton.
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  Speaker 3: So here we have Detective Nathan Duncan out of the
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  Speaker 3: kim Er police testifying as to this email. So do
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  Speaker 3: we know if Tammy day Bell read that email?
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  Speaker 8: No, there's no indication of that, Nancy, And this was interesting.
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  Speaker 8: When the detective took the stand, he went through a
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  Speaker 8: series of emails one after the other between Charles Valo,
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  Speaker 8: Laurie da Bell Valo at the time, Tammy day Bell,
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  Speaker 8: and Chad Dave Bell. Basically, Charles Valo found on his
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  Speaker 8: computer these emails that showed side of an affair. He
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  Speaker 8: reached out to all parties involved and said, somebody come
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  Speaker 8: clean with this. Somebody tell us what's going on here.
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  Speaker 8: He gave Lurie a deadline. He said, you have until
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  Speaker 8: tomorrow or I'm calling Tammy. I'm contacting Tammy. Maury responded,
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  Speaker 8: she won't talk to you. She's my friend. So Charles
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  Speaker 8: reached out. He then confronted Chad, who never responded to
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  Speaker 8: an email. Ten days letter later, Charles Valo is shot dead.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you have to command Charles Valo.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't take the predictable route of just throwing a
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  Speaker 3: firebomb into Chad day Bell's house.
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  Speaker 2: He tried to email them, but I'm curious, I'm very curious. Nadine.
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  Speaker 3: We have no way to determine whether Tammy day Bell
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  Speaker 3: or her husband, Chad day Bell, read the email.
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  Speaker 2: So she went to her death not knowing her husband
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  Speaker 2: was cheating.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I don't know. I don't know. According to the detective,
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  Speaker 8: we don't He says, they don't know if she read
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  Speaker 8: the email or not. But what another witness said is
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  Speaker 8: that the second Tammy started to suspect there was an affair,
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  Speaker 8: suddenly she moved from the light list to the dark list,
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  Speaker 8: and as zombie possessed her body.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, you're scaring me because you actually say this like
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  Speaker 3: you believe it's real. Like a zombie really did possess
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  Speaker 3: Tammy day Tammy Davebell's body, and everybody that was against
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  Speaker 3: Lori Valo, who's sex affair with Chad Dabail turns into
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  Speaker 3: a zombie.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see, there's Charles Valo. He died JJ Tyley Tammy.
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  Speaker 3: I know the cod cause of death on Alex Cox,
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  Speaker 3: but I find a hard time believing it that he died.
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  Speaker 2: Is that Bonden.
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  Speaker 9: Speaking, Yeah, he conveniently died of at one place. They say,
• 18:31
  Speaker 9: an brain aneurysm, another pumer embolism. It'd be an interesting
• 18:38
  Speaker 9: autopsy report to look at.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Oh you're so smart. Oh I didn't think of that.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I'm kicking myself. Yes, And what.
• 18:49
  Speaker 9: Impressed me most was Hammy and Chad had been married,
• 18:53
  Speaker 9: from what I read, for thirty years. This wasn't an
• 18:57
  Speaker 9: honor and or thing. They were married thirty years before
• 19:00
  Speaker 9: she died in her sleep.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Could you guys once again? Now, I can't blame Boden
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: for this. You're leading me down the garden path and
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: I have no desire to put the bus back in
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: the middle of the road.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Doctor Dana Anderson and Del Carson jump in when you
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: when you.
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: Want to, Nancy, i'd like to see you.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Would you go ahead, because I've got to form a
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: medical question and it's going to take me a second.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, doctor Dana Anderson with me forensic psychologist, forensic
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: expert at psychology doctor dot com.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, doctor Dana.
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: Well, officially, I'd like to go on record and request
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: that if I ever die, I would like an autopsy,
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: and I'm hoping we can just drop a legal draft
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: about that right now.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Don't worry, I'll handle it next.
• 19:42
  Speaker 9: You can, because once you die, you have probably property.
• 19:46
  Speaker 9: You have property of the next to kin, and the
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: next to kin agrees too fine.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: But if not, I don't know, Biden, I'll find a
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: way round. You stick to your autopsy table. I'm out
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: of the courtroom. Go ahead, dodgor Dana.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: Well, and second of all.
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: I agree, we're going to all need to see a
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: shrink after all of listening to all this nonsense and.
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: To debriefing about all.
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: Of this glor Vallow and her beliefs.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: About these zombies.
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: It's just it's infuriating.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: And I'm angry doctor Dana that she could attempt or
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: maybe even persuaded your r that she has mental problems.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: But she's crazy.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: She's crazy like a fox because everybody that she believes
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: has gone to the dark side, has become a zombie,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: ends up dead. She's using her religious beliefs to get
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: rid of anything and anybody that stands in the way
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: of her hopping in bed with the prophet Daybill.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: Well, remember when she was castigating her brother or not
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: carrying out the shooting properly. That's all part of the plan.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: You have a seance or whatever the hell it's called,
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: and then you determine that you've cashed out the evil
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: spirit and then suddenly that person dies, so it validates
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: the entire process to your friends. It's pretty clever, really.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Deil Carci joining me, high profile lay round of Jacksonville.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: And this is the part I really like. Former FBI
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: agent and former cop with Miami Dade. Never like a
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: business there as well an author of arrest Proof yourself.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: So let me circle back, doctor Baden, I've never explored this,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: and that was genius what you just said. For you,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it's like routine, but it's not. You identified
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: two conflicting cod causes of death for Alex Cox, the
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: so called Avenging Angel. For mamlaur Valle her words, not mine,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: and they were embolism and aneurysm.
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: Brain aneurysm that ruptured.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: What is the difference between the two, Well.
• 22:11
  Speaker 9: One is getting blood clots and the legs that then
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: break off and go to the rungs and cause a
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: natural death. The other is a rupture of an aneurysm
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: the brain that can be treated if got to the hospital,
• 22:26
  Speaker 9: but if not, the person dies of brain hemorrhage. Both
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: unusually natural deaths.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: What's an aneurysm, It's.
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: A ballooning out of a blood vessel.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, hold on, wait a minute, let me catch up
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: with you. Okay, they didn't teach this in law school.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute. And embolism you're saying is a blood
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: clot typically in the legs that can go to the
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: heart or the lungs.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Is that what you said?
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: Yes?
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: And a brain aneurysm, Hey, is it anurism or anaysm?
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: And you're an eu r for so.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Many people say anaysm, but it's aneurysm. A brain aneurysm
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: is when a blood vessel balloons and ruptures in the brain. Right,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: two totally different things, because I thought for a minute
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: that they were both kind of like a blood clot
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: but they're not at all, Well.
• 23:14
  Speaker 10: Totally, if I can, if I can say something real
• 23:17
  Speaker 10: quick here, Remember too that the ATASI the Talks results
• 23:21
  Speaker 10: on Scott on Cox show that he had narcan in
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: his system, so I don't know if that's a contributing
• 23:26
  Speaker 10: factor or not.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Good point is that Phil Water speaking, Yes, ma'am. Good point.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: He had interesting would it, doctor Biden? And why in
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the world did he have narkin in his system?
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: That usually would indicate that the ambulance response when he
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: was found. Yes, yes, they came, and they would give
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: an arcan just in case it's a drug overdose. But
• 23:48
  Speaker 9: the narkhan doesn't close any harm.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: So Nate eaton. That's another fun thing for you to
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: do in all your spare time. Nate eating Everyone joining
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: me from East Idaho News dot Com has been in
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: the courtroom.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: He was there before they even brought in. Called mom,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Laurie Valo.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Okay, tell me what's the latest before I go for
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Oh hey, hey, I want you to hear one more email.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: This is a humdinger. Take a listen our cut to
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: thirty eight.
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: The message from Charles to Laurie on June thirtieth. I
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: believe it should be twenty nineteen Zeroly forty two. Laurie.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: I know you don't care how I feel, but just
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: imagine this. How could my actions or breaking your heart
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: result in what you've done. You accuse me of infidelity,
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: but it's you who have been having an affair. It
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: just keeps killing me. Maybe that's your goal. How can
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: you live with yourself destroying our life? Mel and Brandon's
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: probably mel and Brandon too now add Chad Davell Family
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: and you've got a home run. The fact you will
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: continue to go to the temple after all you've done
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: shocks me. There really is something wrong with you. I
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: really don't want to do what I have to do,
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: but you have to be exposed for what you really are.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: And he didn't quite make it to exposing his wife
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: because he was murdered. And take listen to two three nine.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: It doesn't end there.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: July first, twenty nineteen, at ten thirty one, Charles to Laurie.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: I'm going to Idaho first to meet with Tammy Davelle.
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: Laurie responds to Charles a minute later, she won't see you.
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: She is my friend. She won't listen to you. Go ahead.
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: You are ridiculous. Are you coming to JJ for the
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: fourth or not? Charles responded to Laurie July first, twenty
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: nineteen at ten thirty seven. Then you tell me why
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: you used my name and and fictitious email to send
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: a BS email about a book. I am having him
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: ghost write for me. It's fraud and a lie. There's
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: no reason for it other than to get him in
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: Arizona and have an excuse for his wife.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: That you're hearing the detective reading. That's Detective Nathan Duncan,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: and he's not a dramatic person at all. I find
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: him to be very down to earth. But when he
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: was reading that email from Charles Valow to Lori Vaalo Cultmom,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: it was very heartbreaking. I was saying, I can't believe
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: you're doing this and tearing apart of our family. And
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: here you've been accusing me of an affair. You're the
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: one having an affair, and now you're going to go
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: to temple like nothing ever happened. And how long after
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: those emails Nate Eaton, after he threatened to expose.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: The affair to Tammy Dabill, did he die?
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: Oh less than two weeks? And I got to tell you,
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: as he read those emails for forty five minutes and
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: text messages, the jurors were fixed on this detective. Many
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: were writing notes. Many were looking directly at Lori Valos.
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: She's sitting directly across from them in the courtroom. They
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: can look at her the entire time. Laurie was taking
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: notes herself, occasionally looking up at the detective, occasionally talking
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: with her attorneys. They were all focused on this. But
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: I have to tell you the most memorable moment thus
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: far is the second that the prosecutors put up what
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: was left of highly on the screen, pictures of Keith,
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: of half of a soul, of the bucket of flesh.
• 27:36
  Speaker 8: And then we thought JJ wrapped in duct tape, and
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: then we saw Tammy's autopsy photos. And after all of that,
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: they showed the photo of Chad and Laurie on the
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: beach holding hands with those wedding rings they bought on Amazon.
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: As they said, this case boils down to three things, money, power, sets.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: I've got to ask you night eight, what was called
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: mom Laurie Valle doing? Did she ever look at the jury?
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Does she keep scribbling notes the whole time?
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: Laurie has been very engaged with her attorney. She's taking notes,
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: she's whispered. At one point one of her attorneys said,
• 28:13
  Speaker 8: you need to stop talking to me. I need to focus.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Oh gosh, you know that's really interesting deal, Carson. I
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: don't know about you, but I tried every one of
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: my cases solo because I could not have anybody talking
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: to me during a trial.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: It's like a tennis match.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Witness jury, witness jury till the judge breaks in and
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: says something. But I would even have to have my investigator,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: who I had for ten years, who I love to
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: this day.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: We only ever had.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: One argument ten years over that idiot OJ Simpson. No offense,
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: doctor Michael Biden. But Deal Carson, of course she's taking notes. Yeah,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: I want to ask you, doctor Biden, how did you
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: guys get OJ Simpson to write notes?
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: What was he playing Hayman's with himself?
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: But El Carson, that's what they do when they can't
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: look the jury in the eyes. They act like they're
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: taking notes. They're just drawing squiggly lines.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: That's exactly right. It's very disconcerting because you've got to
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: watch the witnesses as they testify. You've got to look
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: at their faces, you've got to look at their verbal
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: and tonal responses to questions. And then you have somebody
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: sitting right at your shoulder grabbing it, wanting to talk
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: to you because they're nervous because the witness is doing
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: in rather excellent job. So it's extremely upsetting and probably
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: when they do that.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: So, doctor Biden, I guess you're going to tell me
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: what OJ Simpson was really drawing on those notepads.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: And notice I said drawing, not writing.
• 29:41
  Speaker 9: I'll tell you what the one of the lawyers there
• 29:43
  Speaker 9: was drinking. It wasn't soda.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: I have no doubt I managed to get a little
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: bit out of Conchrane during the time that I worked
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: with him at Court TV. God rest his soul because
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: he's sure had away with a jury. But I would
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: not be surprised at all if it would drive anybody.
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: It was the other heavyweight lawyer, Belly e Flee Billy
• 30:07
  Speaker 9: was taking mints during the trial while I was there,
• 30:13
  Speaker 9: and because he was drinking vodka, well I just assume.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: E Flee Billy was having a drink during the trial.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: But Okay, when you have something else to shot me,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: go ahead and tell me.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: But I can tell you this much.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Nate Eaton, news director East Idaho News dot com. I'm
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: a teetotaler and this is about to drive me to
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: a drink and I don't even know what I want
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: to drink. Listen to all this because behind all this,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: I keep thinking about I think about JJ, but I
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: think more about Tyley, even though JJ was only seven
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: years old. I keep thinking about my twins at age seven.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: But Tyley was dismembered, her bones broken, severed, and then
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: she was burned and all.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: That was less.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: She was so dis respected even in death, all that
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: was left was this half melted bucket of fat and
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: human tissue. That's all that was left of this beautiful
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: girl with that great big smile she had because she
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: got in called my Laurie Valle's way. And some of
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: this sounds laughable, it's not when you think about it
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: You know who was a great witness Eaton was this?
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Zuleima Pastenis? How do you say Alex Fox's widow's name?
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Zulema Pastena's. Guys, take a listen to our cut two five, two,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: three and four.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: So you went to Ms.
• 31:57
  Speaker 11: Gibbs House and did you see the defendant there?
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Yes? Tell us about that first meeting. What happened during
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: that first meeting.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: Laurie was speaking, and during this meeting she was giving
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: a testimony that she had had visitations of angels, and
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: that she had visitations of the angel Morone that was
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: giving her instructions, and that she was a personal witness
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: of Jesus Christ.
• 32:38
  Speaker 11: When you say she was giving testimony of the visitation
• 32:42
  Speaker 11: from angels and specifically the Angel Morone.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: What did that mean to you?
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: When someone is getting such visitations from a only been,
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: it would mean that this person has very high spiritual standing,
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: someone who is very right righteous and is just okay
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: above spiritually above other people.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Did you hear anything else?
• 33:27
  Speaker 11: I thought you said something about a witness to Jesus
• 33:30
  Speaker 11: or Jesus Christ.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, what does that mean?
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: So that would mean that you actually have a personal conversation,
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: physical conversation with Jesus Christ.
• 33:44
  Speaker 11: And what significance did that have to you?
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: That would be the highest spiritual experience than any human
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: being can have.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Nine eight joining us from EASTSIDEAHR News dot Com. The
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: fact that this woman would use the name of Christ,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: and to the Mormons, I'm sure that they're furious she
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: has brought up the angel Moroneye as giving her instructions
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: to murder her children. And Tammy Dabell, I mean, there's
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: got to be some Mormons on that jury.
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: Oh, I'm sure there are, Nancy.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: I bet they were spinning on their ears when she
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: brings out Moroneye.
• 34:36
  Speaker 8: And I think anybody that uses the name of Jesus
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: Christ to try to defend this type of activity would
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: have an issue with it, And it's interesting that witnesses
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: would say that if the plan that Chad and Laurie had,
• 34:52
  Speaker 8: the plan that they had saying that these people would
• 34:54
  Speaker 8: die by such and such a date, if it didn't happen,
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: then they would follow up with, well, it wasn't God's will. Instead,
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: we need to do this. The bar was constantly moving
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: and constantly changing until everybody in their way to be
• 35:07
  Speaker 8: eliminated and Chatham Morey to be together.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Doctor Michael Boden joining me, a former chief medical exam
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: in New York City, Doctor Boden, how many so called
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: religious deaths have you seen where people actually use religion,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: use our Holy Father as their cover, using Christ like
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: this to cover up their murder.
• 35:36
  Speaker 9: My experience has been largely in New York and New
• 35:39
  Speaker 9: York City in particular, and that doesn't become an issue
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: very often. I can't remember, except where occasionally after somebody
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: has died, instead of reporting it, keeping a memorial around
• 35:52
  Speaker 9: the body at home with all kinds of different applications
• 35:59
  Speaker 9: of liquids to the body of the person the loved
• 36:04
  Speaker 9: one for religious reasons. But I haven't really come across
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: when religion is used as an excuse.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: I have doctor Boden Sadly, Phil Water is former homicide
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: detective and now CEO Kindred Spirits Investigations and Security, joining
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: us out of Houston. Phil again, thank you for being
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: with us. I've seen a lot of parents who end
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: up murdering their children as some sort of bizarre exorcism
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: or some religious fasting or diet.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I've seen that a lot.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: And parents claiming their children are demonic and then the
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: child ends up dead.
• 36:43
  Speaker 10: I don't know that I've seen that type of thing
• 36:47
  Speaker 10: in my career. I worked twenty three years in HBD Homicide,
• 36:50
  Speaker 10: retired from there, worked over four hundred homicides and work
• 36:55
  Speaker 10: a lot of child deaths and baby deaths that kind
• 36:57
  Speaker 10: of thing. There's only a couple that I and think
• 37:00
  Speaker 10: of that didn't really have a religious component to but
• 37:05
  Speaker 10: may have had an influence on it. And it's always
• 37:09
  Speaker 10: a question, you know this, but this case is this
• 37:13
  Speaker 10: is Jim Jones proportions in terms of the religious cult
• 37:19
  Speaker 10: foundation for this thing. And she and just as a
• 37:22
  Speaker 10: person who's conducted hundreds hundreds of interviews in watching somebody
• 37:28
  Speaker 10: like a Lorid da Bil in a trial and her
• 37:33
  Speaker 10: making notes and talking to the attorneys and that kind
• 37:36
  Speaker 10: of thing. To me, this is an indication that she
• 37:39
  Speaker 10: is wanting to continue to be in control of her
• 37:43
  Speaker 10: surroundings and her circumstance.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Well, you're so right.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: And Nate Aiden, following up on what Phil Waters is
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: saying from her homicide detective, I want you to listen
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: to our cut two four seven. Chad Dabil, the so
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: called prophet had actually elevated Calm Valo to goddess status
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: and trying to convince Alex Conx to go kill people.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Listen to this powerful goddesses, we needed to be protected,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: and you were selected to help.
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: Protect your sister, and you help Jerry.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: In numerous relations as a defender. Yes, special.
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: Crew in the world connecting area, and as she grew
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: in hour.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: You are right, they're going to.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Say to her doctor Dana Anderson forsic psychologist, what is
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: wrong with these people?
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: There?
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Charles, there you have Chad Dabel giving a so
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: called patriarchal blessing on Alex Cox Valow called mom's brother,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: so we could go kill some more people on her behalf,
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: elevating her to goddess stance status and somehow making it
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: okay for Alice Cox to commit more murders.
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  Speaker 7: Well, one of the things I wanted to say earlier
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: you were talking about these religious themes that people use
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: to make excuses for the behaviors. I wanted to say,
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: I do see that, and I specifically assessed for that.
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: And it's malingering, which is lying for secondary gain people
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: that are trying to say they have these grandiose religious delusions.
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: That's actually something as a forensic psychologist I test for
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: in a test of lingering psychosis, and I catch people
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: when they lie. And so in this case, obviously Lori
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: Valo was found to be incompetent at some point, so
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: there was a point in time where these delusions which
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: she was reporting were bought to be maybe a mental illness.
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: She's highly manipulative in deception.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Well, if you think she's crazy or she's having a delusion,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: doctor Dana Anderson, I want everybody to hear our cut two.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Five five, Yeah, she's not crazy. Listen.
• 40:17
  Speaker 11: Did she ever talk about other plans? You know that
• 40:20
  Speaker 11: if the casting didn't work?
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: Did she talk about other ways to deal with Charles?
• 40:29
  Speaker 12: When we were at my house in March of twenty
• 40:34
  Speaker 12: nineteen and we had done the casting, she.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Was laughing in.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: She said that, well, if it doesn't work, I can
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: always put some pills in his water or something, and
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: then she laughed it off.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: And then when that didn't work, Charles Valo was shot dead.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Nate eight and what happens next.
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  Speaker 8: We're gonna have more witnesses on the prosecution has a
• 41:02
  Speaker 8: list of ninety possible witnesses and the defense has publicly
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: said that they have very few, if any witnesses when
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: it's their turn. So zu Lemma pas Senas will continue
• 41:13
  Speaker 8: to testify about her workings with Lourie. We'll hear from detectives.
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: Lourie's the son's oldest son could possibly take the stand,
• 41:21
  Speaker 8: and this trial is expected to last three to four
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: more weeks.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: I can't wait, Thanky Gray signing off, Goodbye sand