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Rebuilding Our Lives with Jackie Young · The Trauma Therapist

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Therapists podcast. My name is Gamiferson.
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Speaker 1: I interview incredible people who've dedicated their lives to helping
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Speaker 1: those who've been impacted by trauma. A big thank you
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Speaker 1: to our sponsors and our guests who are supporting this
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Speaker 1: show five four, three, two and one. Our folks, welcome
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Speaker 1: back to the podcast. Very excited to happens My guest today,
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Speaker 1: Jackie Young Jackie, Welcome.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, pleasure to be here.
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Speaker 1: Jackie is a founder of Open Mind Hypnosis and creator
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Speaker 1: of the Life Architect coaching program, an integrative approach that
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Speaker 1: blends hypnotherapy, counseling, and mentorship to help people reclibrate their
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Speaker 1: lives and reconnect with purpose and joy. Through one on
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Speaker 1: one coaching and personalized exercises, she guides clients to identify
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Speaker 1: what brings them fulfillment, release what holds them back, and
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Speaker 1: build a blueprint for a life aligned with their deepest values.
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Speaker 1: Open Minds Hypnosis has been recognized for its host killing focus,
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Speaker 1: using mind, body, spirit coherence to support change and resilience.
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Speaker 1: Our Jackie, obviously just a little bit about you. Share
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Speaker 1: with our listeners where you're from originally and where you
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Speaker 1: are currently and then we will dive in.
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Speaker 2: Sure this will take all of thirty seconds. I was
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Speaker 2: born and bred just outside Toronto, Ontario, about twenty minutes
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Speaker 2: outside of the city center, and then I moved about
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Speaker 2: an hour outside the Cinti City center, and now I'm
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Speaker 2: about ninety minutes outside of Toronto. So I have kept
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Speaker 2: pretty damn close to home.
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Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, appreciate that. So let's get in here. How
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Speaker 1: did this start for you? How did this interest and
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Speaker 1: this passion start for you?
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Speaker 2: Well, quite interestingly, I was an educator and I spent
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Speaker 2: all of my time in teaching and then moving into administration.
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Speaker 2: I had a fabulous career. I was heavily involved in
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Speaker 2: special education. It was a real niche for me, and
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Speaker 2: I was actually quite good at it in terms of
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Speaker 2: helping particular students and even more so their parents navigate
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Speaker 2: a really challenging situations sometimes or challenging system. And so
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Speaker 2: when I went to my last job, which was as
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Speaker 2: a director of education, and in Ontario, that is the
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Speaker 2: highest administrative role you can play, I was loving my
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Speaker 2: situation for about three out of five years, and then
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Speaker 2: a number of significant things changed and my bosses, which
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Speaker 2: were the trustees. There was a split in terms of
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Speaker 2: how I was to be access how I was to
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Speaker 2: be utilized, and it felt like for a few people,
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Speaker 2: not certainly everyone, but for a few people, it was
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Speaker 2: getting quite abusive for me. And I know that a
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Speaker 2: lot of your listeners will be able to relate to
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Speaker 2: toxic kind of work environments, etc. Well what it did
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Speaker 2: for me, though, is it was only going to my
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Speaker 2: physician who basically said, and I'm not going to allow
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Speaker 2: you to go back and work for these people, that
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Speaker 2: I realized that leaving wasn't actually an option. I'm not
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Speaker 2: a quitter. I have incredible resilience, and so it took
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Speaker 2: someone else to look at all of my symptoms, which
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Speaker 2: were vertigo, walking, pneumonia, a number of times more migrains
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Speaker 2: that I can count. I was walking into meetings feeling
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Speaker 2: like my gut was in fight or flight the entire time,
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Speaker 2: because I was always anticipating something to fall. And it was,
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Speaker 2: you know, like taking nothing away from who I was
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Speaker 2: working for, because we had a wonderful relationship for a
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Speaker 2: number of years and we were able to do really
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Speaker 2: great work. And then, as I said, things shifted, and
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Speaker 2: so without blame to answer, your question. What I wanted
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Speaker 2: to do was to figure out what exactly had happened
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Speaker 2: to me. I'm a pretty smart girl, and I really
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Speaker 2: wanted to spend some time understanding how my own breakdown
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Speaker 2: or seemingly lack of resilience, which is of course not
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Speaker 2: what it is at all, could be best understood through
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Speaker 2: my lens. Ironically, every time that I went looking at
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Speaker 2: neuropsychology neurobiology, I was I. I landed in hypnosis. So
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Speaker 2: I then became a master certified hypnotist and a lot
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Speaker 2: of the work that I do is based on that.
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Speaker 1: But I also, Oh, okay, hang on, hang on, hang on,
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Speaker 1: hang on, hang on, ha on. So you had this
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Speaker 1: amazing job, you loved it. Then, as you said, things shifted,
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Speaker 1: things became toxic, and you talked about your symptoms, which
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Speaker 1: sound horrific, crazy, and then you said you wanted to
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Speaker 1: find out kind of learn more about your reaction to it.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct? You said? I think you used the
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Speaker 1: words exactly kind of broke down like same. You wanted
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Speaker 1: to understand, like why this happened to me? Why did
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Speaker 1: I react in this way? Was that it.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly it? Because it felt like I was being
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Speaker 2: betrayed by my body. It felt like I was being
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Speaker 2: victimized by my thinking pattern. I knew that I was
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Speaker 2: getting quite foggy. I knew that I was like when
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Speaker 2: you're in fight or flight, You're always looking for the
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Speaker 2: next shoe to fall or the next danger around the corner.
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Speaker 2: And so when you start anticipating all of that, you
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Speaker 2: are literally hijacking how your brain works best, like your
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Speaker 2: executive functioning is completely destroyed appropriately. And so I didn't
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Speaker 2: know any of that. Of course, I just knew that
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Speaker 2: I wasn't functioning optimally, and so I really wanted to
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Speaker 2: understand why my body was not able to sustain itself
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Speaker 2: like I was sleeping. Once I left, I slept around
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Speaker 2: the clock like I've slept, like I've never slept before.
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Speaker 2: And that was curious to me also, And I think
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Speaker 2: that that's one of the key components I'd like for
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Speaker 2: your audience to take away, is to leave the judgment
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Speaker 2: behind and to get quite curious about what's happening, either
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Speaker 2: in their body or in their mind when something starts
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Speaker 2: to shift, because therein lies the real knowledge.
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about hypnosis. You how did you find
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Speaker 1: hypnosis in your healing? Process.
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Speaker 2: Sure, I had utilized hypnosis a couple of times before
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Speaker 2: and it had worked well for me, so I knew
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Speaker 2: that it existed. And as I said, when I started
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Speaker 2: to google you know, how the mind works, I started
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Speaker 2: going down a lot of rabbit holes, and usually they
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Speaker 2: somehow intersected or kind of landed me back with if
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Speaker 2: you want to understand your own conscious mind, you need
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Speaker 2: to understand how hypnosis works, because that's where we do
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Speaker 2: all of our work, is working with the unconscious mind,
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Speaker 2: not the conscious mind. And so that left me with
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Speaker 2: a real curiosity, of burning curiosity to really figure out
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Speaker 2: how the mind is responsible for you know, everything everything.
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Speaker 1: So I love hypnosis. I haven't formally tried it. I've
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Speaker 1: listened to some tapes and stuff, and I can't really
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Speaker 1: say that it's I mean, because I have certain like
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Speaker 1: irrational fears that I'm like dying to get over. But
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Speaker 1: how did you How did it start working for you
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Speaker 1: in what way?
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Speaker 2: Well, what it did for me was allow for me
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Speaker 2: to truly understand like all of the misconceptions about how
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Speaker 2: the mind works, and then really dig into how to
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Speaker 2: understand in a really scientific way how the mind works.
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Speaker 2: Because once you understand that it really can blow your
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Speaker 2: deeper appreciation for how you work in your own body
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Speaker 2: out of the water. We all have so many resources
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Speaker 2: that we don't even know how to access, and when
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Speaker 2: I'm working with someone, we usually are able to unfetter
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Speaker 2: or unlock those resources that have been cramped down because
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Speaker 2: it felt safer. So I'll give you if I can.
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Speaker 2: There's a really interesting story that I use, and it
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Speaker 2: really kind of arcs well for people to understand hypnosis.
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Speaker 2: So if you are four years old and you love
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Speaker 2: hiking with your dad, and it's a beautiful fall day,
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Speaker 2: and your dad comes forward and says, let's go for
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Speaker 2: a hike. You go out. It's a wonderful day. You've
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Speaker 2: got your matching twoks, you're matching scarfs. Everything is perfect.
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Speaker 2: In the meantime, your mother has decided to clean the
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Speaker 2: kitchen from top to bottom, and it is like a whirlwind.
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Speaker 2: If I said she had to wax the floors, half
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Speaker 2: of your audience over sixty might remember what that was like,
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Speaker 2: because it was a big deal to wax the kitchen floor,
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Speaker 2: like four hours worth of work. And so you come
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Speaker 2: back in with your muddy boots. You are all aglow,
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Speaker 2: You're all excited and you step into the kitchen with
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Speaker 2: your muddy boots. Your mother, who is kind and wonderful
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Speaker 2: and loves you to pieces, is also quite human, so
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Speaker 2: she says to you, what the heck are you're thinking?
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Speaker 2: Get out of my kitchen. You have a traumatic response
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Speaker 2: to that because your body feels like an attack came
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Speaker 2: at you out of nowhere. And so when we talk
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Speaker 2: about trauma, it doesn't have to be like big trauma
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Speaker 2: abuse over years. It can be something that happens in
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Speaker 2: a nanosecond and your body feels, oh, I've got to
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Speaker 2: do something with this information. So we could make the
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Speaker 2: kitchen feel weird to you after that, it could change
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Speaker 2: the relationship you have with your mother. But in this
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Speaker 2: hypothetical situation, we're going to say you think, or your
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Speaker 2: mind thinks, it must be hiking, and so it wants
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Speaker 2: to keep you safe. It doesn't want you to have
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Speaker 2: a traumatic experience like that again. And so when your
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Speaker 2: dad comes forward a couple weeks later and says, if
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Speaker 2: you want to go hiking, it's another beautiful fall day,
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Speaker 2: you go, oh yeah, ooh no, I don't want to.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. Your body has very,
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Speaker 2: very cleverly taken the trauma, attached meaning to it, and
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Speaker 2: clamped it down to keep you safe. Now when you're
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Speaker 2: thirty and you will now identify as a non hiker.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense at all, But it's like
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Speaker 2: a phobia. It's like, you know, those kind of repetitive
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Speaker 2: behaviors or that voice inside our head that tells us
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Speaker 2: we're no good or we shouldn't even try. All of
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Speaker 2: that comes from our childhood. So I love that particulars. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's a great thank you. I love the example because
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Speaker 2: it's nice and simple and people go, oh, yeah, that
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Speaker 2: makes sense. So whenever I'm working with an adult and
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Speaker 2: we're trying to figure out a phobia or a response
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Speaker 2: pattern or a behavior pattern, once we get back to
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Speaker 2: the nugget of where it happened, it always makes sense
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Speaker 2: in a weird and wonderful way. You can see how
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Speaker 2: you're on conscious mind is trying to protect you from
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Speaker 2: further trauma.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love that. But let me ask you
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Speaker 1: a question and then we're going to get into how
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Speaker 1: you work specifically more about that. But why for you?
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Speaker 1: Why how did hypnosis help you? How did it clarify
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Speaker 1: how you responded? To this. Why you responded to this,
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Speaker 1: this toxic situation in that way.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question, because very soon after I
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Speaker 2: became a hypnotist, I also created a course called the Mind,
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Speaker 2: Body and Spirit Coherence Blueprint Course, and that's really where
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Speaker 2: a whole lot of my nuggets kind of came together.
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Speaker 2: It was based on certainly understanding the mind, but then
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Speaker 2: understanding that beautiful connection between the mind and the body,
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Speaker 2: or the mind and the gut. And I know that
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Speaker 2: you've had Gabra matteon so you know all of what
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about in terms of how everything functions together.
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Speaker 2: Once you can understand that and you can figure out
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Speaker 2: what it means to be able to work alongside your
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Speaker 2: body and to be able to address what's gone on
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Speaker 2: in your mind, you are able to then feel much
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Speaker 2: more in control, much more that you're not victimized by
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Speaker 2: your thought pattern or by a behavior that kind of
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Speaker 2: is sabotaging you. It's the knowledge that really creates that
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Speaker 2: firm understanding of oh, okay, this is exactly what happened
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Speaker 2: to me. So when I was going into my situations, well,
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Speaker 2: I'll go back a little bit because this will matter.
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Speaker 2: I was brought up in a household that had an
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Speaker 2: alcoholic and my dad was a wonderful man, and he
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Speaker 2: was probably self medicating, and that's how it came out.
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Speaker 2: But when you live with an alcoholic in my situation,
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Speaker 2: I then learned my fight or flight response is to
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Speaker 2: fawn or freeze, and so I don't fight. So when
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Speaker 2: I went into these meetings anticipate something was going to happen,
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Speaker 2: my fight or flight is freeze or fawn. And so
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Speaker 2: why all of a sudden I can't think straight. I
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Speaker 2: don't know what's going on. I think my safest response
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Speaker 2: is to retreat. And all of the fight that I
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Speaker 2: normally have, because I'm very good in conflict, was completely
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Speaker 2: demoralized and diminished because of my inability to get past
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Speaker 2: my fight or flight response. And that's exactly what happens
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Speaker 2: with everyone when you get triggered in a way that
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Speaker 2: feels somehow unsafe.
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Speaker 1: Right right, thank you for that. All right? Let me
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Speaker 1: just remind everyone speaking with Jackie Young's founder of Open Minds.
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Speaker 1: All right, so when did you say to yourself, I
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Speaker 1: want to start my own thing. I want to start
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Speaker 1: helping people. How did that come about?
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Speaker 2: Very shortly after I was certified as a clitical hypnotist.
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Speaker 2: I learned and the incredible power and the incredible healing
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Speaker 2: power that can come from using hypnosis. So it's very
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Speaker 2: different than talk therapy. And I have a background a
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Speaker 2: master's and counseling, so I'm taking nothing away from talk
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Speaker 2: therapy at all, but our work gets to the root
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Speaker 2: of what's happening in a slightly different way. We're talking
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Speaker 2: where the trauma actually started, which that's where we're talking,
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Speaker 2: that's who we're talking to, the unconscious mind, those parts
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Speaker 2: or patterns that have kind of filtered off, like you know,
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Speaker 2: like I'm no longer a hiker if we go back
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Speaker 2: to that experience and it just kind of gets tucked
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Speaker 2: away to keep us safe. It only comes out if
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Speaker 2: we're triggered, if someone says you want to go for
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Speaker 2: a hike. So, once we can understand how that works
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Speaker 2: and how I saw the incredible healing that could help
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Speaker 2: with people that were in incredible trauma situations with traumatic responses,
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Speaker 2: I knew that I wanted to create a business of
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Speaker 2: some kind around this, and then I became very very
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Speaker 2: educated in a lot of different ways of doing hypnosis,
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Speaker 2: and then I became certified as a master hypnotist.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and when did you decide, Well, give me an
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Speaker 1: example of maybe when you started to see how it
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Speaker 1: worked in a client.
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Speaker 2: Oh oh, far too many to actually, Okay, Well i'll
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Speaker 2: tell you one, because it was I do a lot
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Speaker 2: of non smokers, of course, or smoking cessation, because hypnosis
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Speaker 2: is probably the best way to actually quit smoking quickly
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Speaker 2: as long as you want it. So it's important that
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Speaker 2: everybody here that you don't go to a hypnotist. If
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Speaker 2: you're playing around with an idea, you go to a
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Speaker 2: hypnotist because you're at like a threshold of a nine
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Speaker 2: out of ten, a ten out a hand ten. You
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Speaker 2: need to figure this out. You need this diminished or
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Speaker 2: completely gone. If you're playing around with non smoking, I
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Speaker 2: can't help you. You need to really want to do it.
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Speaker 2: And so I had a young woman come to me
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Speaker 2: whose father had just passed from smoking, actually lung cancer,
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Speaker 2: and so she knew that she should quit smoking when
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Speaker 2: we went into her trance state. And by that I
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Speaker 2: mean I take you down from a beta brainwave state,
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Speaker 2: which is what we're in now, down to an alpha
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Speaker 2: brainwave state, nice and relaxed, feeling nice and tranquil and
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Speaker 2: down even further than into what we call the theda
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Speaker 2: brainwave state. And that's the time when you are just
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Speaker 2: before sleep, when you just wake up, when the whole
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Speaker 2: world just feels delicious and you really don't want to
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Speaker 2: open up anymore. That's THETA. And so when you're in THEDA,
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Speaker 2: your unconscious mind is wide open, and that's where I'm
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Speaker 2: able to access information that you don't even consciously know
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Speaker 2: that you have. And so I'm able to then talk
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Speaker 2: to the part that's keeping let's say Linda, Linda smoking,
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Speaker 2: And what this part says is, this is what you
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Speaker 2: and your dad always did together, and you never want
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Speaker 2: to forget your relationship with your dad. So I'm here
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Speaker 2: to make sure that you and your dad have something
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Speaker 2: together still. When we explain to this part that you
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Speaker 2: know you're really hurting Linda, she doesn't want to smoke anymore.
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Speaker 2: Is there anything else you can do that will still
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Speaker 2: keep the same momentum and the same role important to
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Speaker 2: it Because they both used to sit and go over
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Speaker 2: the stocks stocks together, That's what this new part took on.
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Speaker 2: So Linda promised that when she opened the paper every day,
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Speaker 2: because she was a paper girl that she would allow
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Speaker 2: herself to then think about and reflect on her dad
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Speaker 2: this wonderful time they had together, and she no longer
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Speaker 2: needed the connection through smoking. She had identified a new connection.
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Speaker 2: So that's how we gain information from the unconscious mind
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Speaker 2: and then we can kind of fix what's going on
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Speaker 2: down there. So that's one easy example. Also had a
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Speaker 2: man who came to me who wanted to deal with
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Speaker 2: his anger, and it was very curious because he said,
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Speaker 2: I think it's actually due to a past life. And
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Speaker 2: then we talked about what was going on in his
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Speaker 2: life right now, and I said, without trying to be
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Speaker 2: provocative about this, you have enough reasons to be angry
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Speaker 2: based on what you're telling me right now. We don't
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Speaker 2: have to go to a past life. And so we
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Speaker 2: really just kind of tried to figure out exactly what
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Speaker 2: was going on right now in his life, and the
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Speaker 2: changes were immeasurable. But then it got even more interesting
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Speaker 2: because we did go back to a past life, and
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Speaker 2: in the past life he was a leader, a shaman
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Speaker 2: in his community, and where he went back to was
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Speaker 2: his actual death scene, so he could feel the love
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Speaker 2: of his community, he could feel the strength and wisdom
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Speaker 2: that he carried. One of the elders said to him,
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Speaker 2: are you sure you're choosing to come back? And he
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Speaker 2: said yes, because you're not going to remember any of
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Speaker 2: what you have here. And he said, yes, I still
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Speaker 2: choose to come back. So if your audience is still
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Speaker 2: with me through all of that, because I know it
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Speaker 2: can sound a little wivoo, of course, this man then
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Speaker 2: comes out of that experience recognizing I was a leader.
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Speaker 2: I had the respect and the dignity and the wonderment
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Speaker 2: of my entire tribe with me. And that's a strength
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Speaker 2: that doesn't come overnight unless you can actually feel it,
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Speaker 2: the emotive nuances, the visceral reaction of being in that
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Speaker 2: state and feeling it in real time and a hypnosis.
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Speaker 2: What we then do is just kind of stab those
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Speaker 2: emotions over and over and over again so that you
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Speaker 2: can actually remember how that feeling felt. So it's not
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Speaker 2: just fleeting, it's not just one time. All of my
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Speaker 2: clients leave recording that they need to listen to, and
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Speaker 2: then they have to really put the time and effort
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Speaker 2: into listening over and over again.
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Speaker 1: With the understanding that everyone is different. What when you
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Speaker 1: first meet with someone, are you having like a quote
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Speaker 1: unquote first session with them and then the next session
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Speaker 1: will start getting into it. Or how does it work?
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Speaker 1: Do you go right into it in that first session?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. Every hypnotist can be very, very different.
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Speaker 2: And if we're talking about hypnotists, I want for your
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Speaker 2: listeners to understand that you can call yourself a hypnotist
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Speaker 2: over a weekend course. My students are with me for
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Speaker 2: six months before they graduate, so you want to do
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Speaker 2: your own homework before you're putting money into who your
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Speaker 2: hypnotist is. It's like any kind of service. So to
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Speaker 2: answer your question, though, oh my gosh, I completely just
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Speaker 2: forgot your question.
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Speaker 1: It was you know, understanding that everyone is different. When
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Speaker 1: do you get into go deep with a client? Is
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Speaker 1: it the first session or do you like wait till
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Speaker 1: the second or third session.
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Speaker 2: We have a free consult where we talk about a
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Speaker 2: little bit how hypnosis works, a little bit about fears
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Speaker 2: because people are very fearful of the unknown and what
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Speaker 2: it is that they want to change, a behavior, a challenge,
21:08
Speaker 2: a brain pattern, whatever it is, a thinking pattern. And
21:12
Speaker 2: so then when we get together, my first session is
21:14
Speaker 2: around ninety minutes to two hours, and we talk an
21:17
Speaker 2: awful lot about what hypnosis is, what it's not. We
21:20
Speaker 2: go back to what it is that you want to
21:23
Speaker 2: change with a lot of specifics. I teach you how
21:26
Speaker 2: to do self hypnosis so you're not just leaving me
21:30
Speaker 2: without a skill set, and then we go right into
21:33
Speaker 2: that first session what it is that you want to
21:36
Speaker 2: address and eradicate.
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Speaker 1: Well, okay, all right, so let's get Jackie if we
21:41
Speaker 1: can a little more specific about who you work with
21:47
Speaker 1: and the Life Architect coaching program for example. And I
21:52
Speaker 1: still want to ask you this question, when did you
21:55
Speaker 1: say to yourself, I want to start doing this for
21:58
Speaker 1: other people? When did you start saying to help I
22:01
Speaker 1: want to create a business for myself.
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Speaker 2: Pretty much as soon as I graduated, I was in
22:07
Speaker 2: a wonderful school of hypnosis, which again was very intensive,
22:11
Speaker 2: and even with all of my practice clients, I just
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Speaker 2: saw these incredible changes. And I'm finding the same thing
22:18
Speaker 2: with my students now after they do the first protocol
22:21
Speaker 2: that really allows for them to see incredible change, You're hooked,
22:26
Speaker 2: like you just want to start sharing how this works
22:29
Speaker 2: with everybody, because it's so I want to say easy,
22:33
Speaker 2: it's so accessible is the best way to put it
22:37
Speaker 2: for people, And it doesn't feel like you have to
22:40
Speaker 2: go back and kind of relive and over and over
22:43
Speaker 2: again retraumatize yourself. When we go back to trauma, it's
22:46
Speaker 2: a very very different feeling. You're feeling very very safe
22:50
Speaker 2: even if you have to go back to a traumatic experience,
22:53
Speaker 2: because you also have a lot of safety valves incorporated
22:56
Speaker 2: into your unconscious mind. So that's how that works. So
23:01
Speaker 2: the easy answer is, once you're in, you get hooked.
23:05
Speaker 2: The hardest part is trying to figure out how to
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Speaker 2: throw a business together and how to make yourself accessible
23:10
Speaker 2: to people. But what is Yeah, it's pretty amazing.
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Speaker 1: What is the life architect program?
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Speaker 2: Specifically, the life Architect program is simply you and I
23:22
Speaker 2: work together for about six months and you come to
23:24
Speaker 2: me realizing that you want to rebuild aspects of your life.
23:30
Speaker 2: And so because of all of my work in leadership,
23:32
Speaker 2: as I said, I was a principle of superintendent and
23:35
Speaker 2: then a director of education, the most wonderful part of
23:39
Speaker 2: my job was instilling leadership skills and leaving leaders behind
23:43
Speaker 2: me that were ethical, that knew how to work, that
23:47
Speaker 2: understood the importance of a win win all of that.
23:50
Speaker 2: So if you're coming to me, you recognize, and our
23:53
Speaker 2: first conversation is about what do you want to change,
23:56
Speaker 2: what do you want to address? How is it that
23:58
Speaker 2: you're coming to me? And for a lot of people
24:02
Speaker 2: it comes out of a slight dissatisfaction or a low
24:07
Speaker 2: simmering I'm not happy with my life right now, but
24:10
Speaker 2: I can't figure out what it is. Or if you
24:13
Speaker 2: are surfing way too much, if you have an addiction
24:16
Speaker 2: that's kind of come out, especially after COVID, if you
24:19
Speaker 2: are lonely to beat the band and you don't know
24:21
Speaker 2: how to access you know, the internal supports that you
24:24
Speaker 2: already have, and so you're going down those rabbit holes
24:28
Speaker 2: of loneliness and feeling so isolated alone. If you are
24:32
Speaker 2: flirting with flirting at work, if you are you know,
24:35
Speaker 2: all of these things are playing on the outskirts of
24:38
Speaker 2: your system is needing something from you, like some kind
24:41
Speaker 2: of response, but it doesn't know how to access it.
24:45
Speaker 2: And all of those are very dangerous, as you can
24:47
Speaker 2: clearly hear. What we want to do is have you
24:50
Speaker 2: access all of the wonderful ways that you can work
24:53
Speaker 2: through your triggers, understand your triggers, and then bypass them.
24:58
Speaker 2: You don't have to you know, kind of get rid
25:01
Speaker 2: of everything that you feel makes you you. We want
25:05
Speaker 2: to for you to understand exactly how do you find
25:08
Speaker 2: joy again? Like what does that feel like for you?
25:10
Speaker 2: So the Life Architecture program is truly about rebuilding kind
25:15
Speaker 2: of from the inside out with all of what you're
25:17
Speaker 2: bringing to the table, including you know, your in laws,
25:20
Speaker 2: your relationship, how your kids are, all of those things.
25:24
Speaker 2: If you're in a sandwich situation, all of those troubles
25:28
Speaker 2: and scenarios, like if you're taking care of kids and
25:31
Speaker 2: taking care of elders, what that means to you, that
25:33
Speaker 2: kind of pull. So you come to me saying, these
25:36
Speaker 2: are all of the things that I need you Jackie
25:38
Speaker 2: to understand. Now where do we start? And we start
25:42
Speaker 2: small because we start with changes that you'll be able
25:45
Speaker 2: to implement and that you'll see significant changes from.
25:50
Speaker 1: Are there any situations where hypnosis is contraindicated for I'm
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Speaker 1: guessing psychosis maybe you wouldn't want to do, yes, absolutely,
26:04
Speaker 1: but any any less obvious ones.
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Speaker 2: Usually it is schizophrenia is the one that comes up most,
26:14
Speaker 2: or some mental illnesses diagnosed mental illnesses, but in terms
26:19
Speaker 2: of anxiety and depression, that is not like all engulfing depression.
26:25
Speaker 2: We can still work with that. However, what's best is
26:28
Speaker 2: if you're working with a physician or a therapist, that
26:33
Speaker 2: we hook in together so that we understand exactly what
26:36
Speaker 2: the goal is for the client working together.
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Speaker 1: Now, as we kind of wind down here, you obviously
26:44
Speaker 1: something with hypnosis seemingly clicked with you and for you
26:52
Speaker 1: as you do this work, Jackie, what is it do
26:55
Speaker 1: you feel that just makes you so good at it?
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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you seem really passionate about it.
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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, thank you for that. I think what
27:06
Speaker 2: makes me good at it is the fact that I'm older,
27:11
Speaker 2: that I have lived, I have some wisdom behind me.
27:14
Speaker 2: There's patterns that you see as you get older. You
27:17
Speaker 2: know that you can see how people grow in a
27:21
Speaker 2: Western society, what Western society is asking of particular in
27:24
Speaker 2: terms of how we're socialized, for instance. So that all
27:27
Speaker 2: is meaningful for me in terms of what I understand
27:30
Speaker 2: about growth. My background in psychology, my background and counseling.
27:35
Speaker 2: But I'm also a really great listener. And that's the
27:37
Speaker 2: skill set truly, is to understand that when you're working
27:42
Speaker 2: with a client, I don't have the answers the client
27:45
Speaker 2: has all of the answers. What I do really really
27:48
Speaker 2: well is ask pertinent questions so that the client can
27:52
Speaker 2: become curious and my allowance to recognize that their unconscious
27:58
Speaker 2: mind is is the savior, not me. So all I
28:03
Speaker 2: do really really well, and I do do it well,
28:05
Speaker 2: is to make sure that people can access where we
28:07
Speaker 2: need to play around in the unconscious mind. And then
28:10
Speaker 2: quite frankly, I let the unconscious mind help guide me
28:15
Speaker 2: to guide the clients.
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Speaker 1: What do you say? Finally, what do you say to
28:20
Speaker 1: people who maybe are hesitant or are scared. I don't
28:25
Speaker 1: want to go way down there. I'm scared. I don't
28:29
Speaker 1: know you. You're going to say something to me that's good.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. One of the first things that I do in
28:36
Speaker 2: my practice is I actually take someone through a PowerPoint
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Speaker 2: that talks about how hypnosis actually works. I know that
28:44
Speaker 2: people are coming to me as a last ditch effort.
28:46
Speaker 2: We're never the first call. We're always the last call.
28:49
Speaker 2: In terms that I tried everything else, and so I thought,
28:51
Speaker 2: what the heck I'm going to try hypnosis. I've got
28:53
Speaker 2: to say more to lose. I'd love for hypnosis to
28:55
Speaker 2: be your first call, by the way, because it works,
28:58
Speaker 2: and it doesn't take years and years. What I'd say
29:02
Speaker 2: is that you're never not in control. That is to
29:06
Speaker 2: say the client is always in control. But here's where
29:10
Speaker 2: you want to do your homework on how many years
29:13
Speaker 2: or how much time your hypnotist has put into their
29:16
Speaker 2: own education. That matters. It matters like any other service
29:20
Speaker 2: that matters. You want to look at testimonials and reviews
29:24
Speaker 2: of how that person has done. And I think that
29:27
Speaker 2: the most major thing is to recognize that coming in
29:31
Speaker 2: with a fear is okay. My job is to alleviate
29:35
Speaker 2: that fear and allow you to ask any single question
29:39
Speaker 2: you can. What I would love to leave your listeners
29:42
Speaker 2: with is it works. It absolutely works. And if people
29:46
Speaker 2: are saying, well, I don't think I could be hypnotized.
29:48
Speaker 2: Everybody's hypnotized. Your parents hypnotized to believe that in this
29:51
Speaker 2: family we work a particular way. If you were told
29:54
Speaker 2: your entire life, we don't put our elbows on the table,
29:56
Speaker 2: that's a hypnotic script. If you say to yourself, I'm
29:59
Speaker 2: a SMA and I'll always be a smoker, that's a
30:02
Speaker 2: hypnotic script. We all ascribe to beliefs about our family,
30:06
Speaker 2: our lives, our culture, and those are actually beliefs that
30:12
Speaker 2: become hypnotizable situations for us. If they don't work for us,
30:18
Speaker 2: then they can create real angst. Or you want to
30:21
Speaker 2: break out of a pattern that you see is unhealthy
30:23
Speaker 2: in your family, and so that's where we do our work.
30:27
Speaker 2: Anybody can be hypnotized because everybody self hypnotizes themselves all
30:32
Speaker 2: the time. Or as I said, you were hypnotized by
30:34
Speaker 2: your culture, by what your elders told you was important,
30:38
Speaker 2: like how we deal with money in this family. That's
30:40
Speaker 2: a hypnotic script. So everybody can be hypnotized. Some people
30:44
Speaker 2: go into a hypnotic trance easier than others, but everyone
30:48
Speaker 2: can benefit from it.
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Speaker 1: Awesome, all right, Jackie. How do people learn more about you?
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Speaker 1: Get in touch with you? What's the best way?
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Speaker 2: Be way is you can find me on my website
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Speaker 2: which is Open Minds Hypnosis Open Minds with an S
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Speaker 2: Hypnosis dot ca A. I am in Canada and so
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Speaker 2: I'm a ca not dot com. Or you can actually
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Speaker 2: reach me at Jacqueline at the Mind Shift Coach dot
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Speaker 2: ca A.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll have both of those linked up here at
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Speaker 1: the show notes page at the Trauma Diapers Podcast dot com,
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Speaker 1: Jackie awesome, love it X. I'm you got me going here.
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Speaker 1: I'm like ready to call you and Jackie A call me. Look.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you being here.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Thank you for having me lovely
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Speaker 2: to mean you guys. Thanks