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I Choose ... to Let My Faith Lead the Way with Janine Turner (pt 1) · I Choose Me with Jennie Garth

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl. Hi.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone, welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all
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  Speaker 2: about the choices we make for ourselves, and today I
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  Speaker 2: am joined by someone who's made some pretty bold ones.
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  Speaker 2: Janine Turner went from starring in huge shows like Northern
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  Speaker 2: Exposure and Friday Night Lights to life on a Texas ranch.
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  Speaker 2: From Emmy nominated actress to podcast host and US Constitution advocate.
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  Speaker 2: Our conversation covers career pivots, spiritual grounding, motherhood, and what
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  Speaker 2: it means to choose yourself even when, especially when the
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  Speaker 2: world is watching. What a pleasure it is to speak
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  Speaker 2: with Janine Turner. Hi, thank you so much for being
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  Speaker 2: on our podcast.
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  Speaker 1: This is such a treat. Oh, it's a treat for me.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: And you know I was doing my research. You and
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  Speaker 3: I both moved. I guess you moved to Hollywood at seventeen,
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  Speaker 3: and when Youth and Film Awards and that interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'd forgotten about that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah look, yeah, it said you won this teen Award.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I wanted Youth in Film Award. But
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  Speaker 3: it's interesting that we both were sort of discovered. I
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  Speaker 3: was in New York at fifteen. But did I read
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  Speaker 3: it correctly that at seventeen you moved to Hollywood like
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 1: That's wild, with no experience, no idea what I was
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  Speaker 1: getting into. Brave. You're a brave girl.
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  Speaker 3: I look at everything that you have accomplished in your life,
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  Speaker 3: and you're a mover and a shaker.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I'm a lady. I gotta keep it moving,
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  Speaker 1: gotta keep it fresha create create exactly.
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  Speaker 2: We both had successful TV shows and now we're both
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  Speaker 2: doing rewatch podcasts where all a Sudden podcast hosts, which
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  Speaker 2: is so exciting. How's it going, how's the new podcast going?
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  Speaker 1: I have many I have a Oh I thought you do? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I do? I do well.
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  Speaker 3: I started podcasting before podcasting was even podcasting.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny because I think it.
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  Speaker 3: Was back in twenty fifteen, twenty fourteen around that I
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  Speaker 3: had a radio show with actual call letters in Dallas
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  Speaker 3: and Houston, two different places. And then during the weekdays
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  Speaker 3: I would interview in this sort of like dark room
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  Speaker 3: that I was renting for one hundred bucks one block
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  Speaker 3: from my daughter's school, and I was interviewing these I
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  Speaker 3: was doing these forty five minute interviews and putting them
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  Speaker 3: up on whatever it was back then, and it was
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  Speaker 3: sort of podcasting before podcasting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was fun. I always loved.
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  Speaker 3: The format where you could interview somebody for forty minutes
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  Speaker 3: forty five minutes, and traditional radio it was every five minutes,
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  Speaker 3: every ten minutes. And I still love the format of
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  Speaker 3: being able to really get into the psyche of a
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  Speaker 3: person or down into some depth of soul. And anyway,
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  Speaker 3: now I have Northern Disclosure because more of the exposure
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  Speaker 3: is streaming on Amazon Prime, which I worked for three
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  Speaker 3: years with Universal Studios to get them to do that.
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  Speaker 3: I said, look, rising generations don't have DVD players, and
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  Speaker 3: rob and are a Northern Disclosure and that's been a
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  Speaker 3: lot of fun. And then I have a God on
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  Speaker 3: the Go podcast as well. So I love podcasting. I'm
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  Speaker 3: a curious person, obviously, I think you are too. I
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  Speaker 3: member my father said I beg to go to college,
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  Speaker 3: but I was working in New York at fifteen and
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  Speaker 3: I was working in la at seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: He goes, why would you go to college. You're already
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  Speaker 1: making money.
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  Speaker 3: But he goes, I'm not going to pay money for
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  Speaker 3: you just to have an intellectual conversation with somebody.
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  Speaker 1: But that's actually what I love to do. So here
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  Speaker 1: we are. Yeah, you're a pro, you are seasoned at this.
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 2: I know with my rewatch podcast, it's really been eye
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  Speaker 2: opening for me. You know, rewatching the show from beginning
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  Speaker 2: to end, you know, every week like a fan would
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  Speaker 2: have back in the day, has been in just so cool,
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  Speaker 2: Like I am now a super fan of my own show,
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  Speaker 2: which I didn't think that would happen, but I'm really
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  Speaker 2: into it.
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  Speaker 1: Is that are you feeling that way?
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  Speaker 3: I think that the Northern exposure was such a special
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  Speaker 3: time in all of our lives, and we lived in
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  Speaker 3: Seattle together. We were sort of an acting troop removed
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  Speaker 3: from Hollywood, and we bonded. And the show was so
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  Speaker 3: intellectually stimulating, quirky, sexy in a way flashbacks. They quoted
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  Speaker 3: Young and Freud and Walt Whitman, and the music was
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  Speaker 3: opera whatever it may be, and the writing was incredibly
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  Speaker 3: intriguing and challenging. And so we to be able to
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  Speaker 3: revisit it thirty five thirty years later and to bring
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  Speaker 3: on the cast, I echo what you're saying. It's a
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  Speaker 3: real treasure. It's just a treasure and it's great that
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  Speaker 3: we can sort of log this for posterity, for a legacy.
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  Speaker 3: And of course I'm thinking, well, probably in about ten years,
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  Speaker 3: this won't even be anything anybody does.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they won't even know how to listen to a podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I know it'll be on their wrist or in their chips.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, chip in the head. Maybe we will.
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  Speaker 3: Survive in the record up there in the heaven, so
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  Speaker 3: let's hope.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it must be so fun reconnecting with Rob and
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  Speaker 2: getting to just sort of dive deep with the all
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  Speaker 2: the co stars and crew members everything.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what y'all are doing too? Are you having
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  Speaker 1: crew members, producers, things of that nature? Guess yeah, we have.
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  Speaker 1: For sure.
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  Speaker 2: We go into the guest stars and we really want
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  Speaker 2: to know what their experience was like on the show,
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  Speaker 2: because it's usually so different than our experience, and also
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  Speaker 2: just checking in with them and seeing like where they
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  Speaker 2: are now and what their life has been like. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's fascinating.
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  Speaker 3: It is so long, and you're not as quite as
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  Speaker 3: judgmental of the show. Right during the day, it was like,
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  Speaker 3: oh they cut out of that close up. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: wish this I wish that, but now we're just ah, look, I.
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  Speaker 2: Know, like I am usually not want to watch myself
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  Speaker 2: watch my work. It gets I don't know, I just
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  Speaker 2: don't enjoy it. But there's something about sitting down and
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  Speaker 2: cozying up to an episode of the OG Show that
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  Speaker 2: is just comforting. And I'm continually like, wow, look at her,
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  Speaker 2: Like I think that that was such an amazing time
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  Speaker 2: in my life. And I was so busy working all
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  Speaker 2: the time that it was really hard to like get it.
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  Speaker 3: Then, m true because we were in the midst of it,
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  Speaker 3: and now we can look. I always knew the show
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  Speaker 3: was special, and I was very blessed because I had
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  Speaker 3: eight dollars left before Northern Exposure, and I was holding
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  Speaker 3: out for something besides a bikini roll.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you know.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so once it's a long, long story, I won't
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  Speaker 3: go into it. But once I book Northern Exposure, it
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  Speaker 3: was funny because I was willing at that point because
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  Speaker 3: I had eight dollars left. I said, Okay, God, whatever
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  Speaker 3: you want. I was trying to hold out for something
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  Speaker 3: of integrity. But if that's not what you want, and
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  Speaker 3: do I go back to college? Do I do go
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  Speaker 3: back to a soap opera. I'd started in a soap
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  Speaker 3: opera general Hospital in nineteen eighty one, What.
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  Speaker 1: Do I do?
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  Speaker 3: And I kept and then I still didn't get a
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  Speaker 3: couple of projects. But then I booked Northern and Exposure.
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  Speaker 3: And God is good because it was everything for which
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  Speaker 3: I had been waiting, and I never I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: just couldn't see it. So it's really interesting to think
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  Speaker 3: about that. We see the myopic sort of threads, but
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  Speaker 3: God sees the whole tapestry.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's so interesting that story because you just gave it.
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  Speaker 3: Up well my will, you know, it's like letting go
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  Speaker 3: of your will a little bit. I mean, it's that
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  Speaker 3: fine line between I was thinking about your show, about
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  Speaker 3: all the times of my life where I've stood up
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  Speaker 3: for myself, whether it's in work or private life, or
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  Speaker 3: with my daughter or whatever it might have been for
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  Speaker 3: standing up for her as well, but then also in
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  Speaker 3: the workplace standing up for myself, and then it all
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  Speaker 3: I just got to the point where I thought I
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  Speaker 3: was on the right track.
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  Speaker 1: But then I had eight dollars left, so I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: sure anymore.
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  Speaker 3: But God proved to me I was on the right track,
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  Speaker 3: and booking Northern exp But she was one of those
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  Speaker 3: first characters that chopped her own wood, flew her own plane.
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  Speaker 1: And oh my god, she was loving a heroine.
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  Speaker 4: You.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, your haircut alone in that show was inspiring.
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  Speaker 1: My dad used to say to me, I know it short,
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  Speaker 1: but does it have to be that short?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Dad's They always liked the longer hair. They wanted
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  Speaker 2: us to look like children forever. Yes, yes, yeah, what
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  Speaker 2: an impact.
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  Speaker 1: The show had. It was just such a huge hit.
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  Speaker 2: But you decided, I'm just really curious, like, what was
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  Speaker 2: your choice? What helped you make the choice to check
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  Speaker 2: out of Hollywood and go to Texas and raise your
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  Speaker 2: daughter on a farm.
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  Speaker 3: Ah?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I had checked out of Hollywood twice in my life.
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  Speaker 3: The first time I had been engaged to Alec Bald
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  Speaker 3: when I was twenty years old and I was watching
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  Speaker 3: and we were just off our soap operas.
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  Speaker 1: I forget he was on Young Doctor.
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  Speaker 3: What was he on Doctor? I don't know what he
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  Speaker 3: was on, but I was on General Hospital. And my
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  Speaker 3: first big show though, was from Dallas. I got my
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  Speaker 3: start on Dallas and the producer David Jacobs had a
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  Speaker 3: thirteen episode series I look back now and I say
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  Speaker 3: that was really pretty.
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  Speaker 1: Cool, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I got a job pretty quick out of the But
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  Speaker 3: I the first time that I checked out of Hollywood
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  Speaker 3: was when I was twenty three and I thought, I
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  Speaker 3: can't do any more bikini roles. I'm watching Alec get
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  Speaker 3: all these fabulous male roles and I'm just being sort
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  Speaker 3: of objectified. So my agents fired me and said, if
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  Speaker 3: you moved to Hollywood, we don't want to represent you know.
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  Speaker 3: I said, well, okay, I got to follow my truth.
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  Speaker 3: I found the method acting coach, cut my hair, cut
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  Speaker 3: my you know, no fingernaut polish things that nature, and
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  Speaker 3: really studied. So I checked out of Hollywood that at
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  Speaker 3: that point and booked Northern Exposure out of New York.
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  Speaker 3: And the second time was yes, I kind of walked
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  Speaker 3: away from my daughter and I was offered you know, CBS.
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  Speaker 3: They used to call me all the time, begged me
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  Speaker 3: to do a series and to move back to Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm like, well, I have my daughter now, and
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  Speaker 3: I was a single mom because I'd sort of stood
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  Speaker 3: up for myself in that and for her in that regard.
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  Speaker 3: But then and then I was offered Chicago, you know,
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  Speaker 3: on Broadway and well, I was to go meet Anne Riiking.
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  Speaker 3: I passed the singing part, and I'm like, well, who's
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  Speaker 3: going to take care of my daughter?
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  Speaker 1: So I did. I made a lot of sacrifices for
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  Speaker 1: my daughter. I didn't. That's so special, though.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that that big choice to move changed
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  Speaker 2: your perspective on things?
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  Speaker 3: It's interesting how at that point, I want, Well, when
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  Speaker 3: Northern Exposure was picked up for fifty episodes, which you
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  Speaker 3: and I both know never happens, right, it's a big order,
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  Speaker 3: this clock shifted in me, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 3: these bells rang, and I never knew that I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to go back to Texas.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, because I couldn't. I mean, in those days,
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  Speaker 1: you couldn't.
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  Speaker 3: Put yourself on tape, which I don't even like today, because.
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  Speaker 1: But you had to be here. Yeah, yeah, you had
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  Speaker 1: to be there.
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  Speaker 3: And I still think it should be that way quite frankly,
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  Speaker 3: but I mean you had to be in New York
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  Speaker 3: or LA. But when Northern Exposure was picked up for fifty,
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I wanted to pick up truck,
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  Speaker 3: a horse, a ranch, and I want to move back home.
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  Speaker 3: And I never knew that that was even lurking within me.
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  Speaker 3: But once I had sort of hit that pinnacle, it
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  Speaker 3: was what I wanted. And so I'm thrilled I raise
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  Speaker 3: my daughter here in Texas. And it's just interesting though,
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  Speaker 3: now that I'm sixty two and my daughter's off living
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  Speaker 3: her own life. It's funny how life gives us a
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  Speaker 3: kind of checkpoints of to reevaluate our lives and to think,
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  Speaker 3: what would I have done a little bit differently?
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  Speaker 1: Would you have made a different choice? Maybe?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if people ask that, like what would
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  Speaker 3: you do differently? And I when my daughter was born,
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  Speaker 3: I said, well nothing because everything led to her, right,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Now that she's grown and sort of things
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  Speaker 3: are challenging, I look back.
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  Speaker 1: On hmm, you know, hmm.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I should have in Chicago. Maybe I should have
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  Speaker 3: stayed in La a little bit, and things that nature.
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  Speaker 3: So it is.
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  Speaker 1: It is interesting, especially.
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  Speaker 3: As a mother and you have three children, and I
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  Speaker 3: didn't have a Her father wasn't there.
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  Speaker 1: He just walked, and so it was.
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  Speaker 3: It became sort of an all encompassing aspect for me.
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  Speaker 3: It was really all about her. And look, she's a
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  Speaker 3: wonderful young woman. She has a not that I cared
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  Speaker 3: what she did. But she's graduate from law school, she's independent,
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  Speaker 3: she's doing her things. She's married to a wonderful man.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, but you sit back now, it's kind
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  Speaker 3: of twiddling your thumbs saying.
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  Speaker 1: Did I sacrifice too much? Maybe?
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  Speaker 2: I know it's hard because our instinct is to sacrifice
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  Speaker 2: everything like you did. I did the same thing. I
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  Speaker 2: moved out of LA for a couple of years. I
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  Speaker 2: think it was at the end of a you know,
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  Speaker 2: my relationship with their dad, and I just kind of
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  Speaker 2: needed to check out and get away and I kind
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  Speaker 2: of retired. I told my manager, hey, I'm retiring, and
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  Speaker 2: I just focused on them for solid two years. And
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  Speaker 2: at that point I was, you know, I needed to
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  Speaker 2: go back to work for all kinds of reasons, but
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  Speaker 2: that two years was heaven for me, just being able
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  Speaker 2: to focus on my daughters and their well being and them,
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  Speaker 2: you know, especially at a very transitional time in all
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  Speaker 2: their lives. I think it was the best thing I
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  Speaker 2: could have done. And you know, you moving to Texas
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  Speaker 2: and having a horse trailer dreams for me, that's where
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  Speaker 2: I come from. So I feel like I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: go back to that too, and I can't.
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  Speaker 1: Wait I've got horses and longhorn cattle out there. You know.
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  Speaker 3: I will echo what you're saying though, in that when
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  Speaker 3: my daughter was a baby, she was the most important
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  Speaker 3: thing in the world to me, and I believe in
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  Speaker 3: those first three to five years and how important it is.
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  Speaker 1: And I still did you know doctor t and the women.
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  Speaker 3: I did the serious strong medicine, But I left Strong
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  Speaker 3: Medicine after a couple of years because I could see
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  Speaker 3: that I wanted to say those precious times with my
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  Speaker 3: daughter and I didn't want her to be raised even
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  Speaker 3: though she was on set with me. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: was running around six am to six pm, and it's
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  Speaker 3: distract or distracted. Yeah, And I thought, I'll never get
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  Speaker 3: these years back. And I think those begin those formative
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  Speaker 3: years of a child are so incredibly important. And she
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  Speaker 3: was my joy and my gift and so I lovered
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  Speaker 3: more than anything in the world. So I wouldn't I
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't want to change especially those formative years at all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now our methods are a little bit different, but we
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  Speaker 2: have a shared spirituality. You and I. I love to
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  Speaker 2: meditate and garden, and you've talked about doing yoga and
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  Speaker 2: journaling and following twelve steps. How do you think those
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  Speaker 2: rituals that you've put in place in your life have
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  Speaker 2: kept you grounded over the years.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you know, I've thought about that as well as
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  Speaker 3: you know. I choose me as the topic, and I
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  Speaker 3: couldn't do it without my faith. I mean everyone, we're
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  Speaker 3: a nation of freedom of religion, so everybody has their
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  Speaker 3: own religion. And I'm completely you know if I'm not
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  Speaker 3: trying to convert anybody, but I've always been a Christian
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  Speaker 3: and my faith, especially as a single mom, and I
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  Speaker 3: found that I was going to be a single mom,
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  Speaker 3: it became pivotal in me because just the strength that
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  Speaker 3: I could garner, the higher realm, the higher sense of consciousness,
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  Speaker 3: the higher purpose. And I taught my daughter that and
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  Speaker 3: I think I think we're missing it in our society today.
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  Speaker 1: I think we're with.
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  Speaker 3: Social media and culture, you know, the cultural impact and
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  Speaker 3: the news and all these things, and it's not hip
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  Speaker 3: to love God. It's it's not cool to have faith.
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  Speaker 3: It's sort of especially in our business right. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we may hear people in the Christian the the the
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  Speaker 3: music business, thank God, but it's sort of anti cool
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  Speaker 3: to have faith.
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  Speaker 1: And that's unfortunate because.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think we're all going to find out
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  Speaker 3: one day, you know what I mean, that there's a
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  Speaker 3: higher power. And I love metaphysics, I love science. I
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  Speaker 3: love the Secret of Skinwalker Ranch on the History Channel
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  Speaker 3: about this potential you know, bubble that they have found
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  Speaker 3: that no one can penetrate and it's invisible to us.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: I believe in the other dimension.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: So I'm not limited in my thinking, but I don't
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think that I think without my faith. I've
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: really chosen myself. And if it wasn't hip, the cool,
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: if if people didn't like it, and it's interesting. I
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: I had my gott on the Go podcast and I
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: just did an interview and I posted it and I thought, well,
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: let's see how many viewers I lose, you know.
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: What I mean?
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: It's like, how many viewers am I going to offend here?
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: And I thought, well, okay, I just have to be
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: true to who I am, and if they want to
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: walk away, they can, but most don't. But because my
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: message is really just finding a way to survive the
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: day and dealing with our own sense of humanity. And
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: I couldn't do without my faith without saying God helped
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: me through this, God get me through the day, God
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: give me a higher purpose, things of that nature.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: It's interesting because I lived most of my life without
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: a faith. I was raised Christian and not super We
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: didn't go to church regularly, just occasionally. But I loved
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: like going to Bible study on my own, and I
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: love being a part of the little community of our
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: town's church. And then I grew up and life happened,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: and the world got so big and busy that I
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: kind of love touch with any religion, any faith. And
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: it wasn't until like later in my life, I mean
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: in my forties that I was really struggling and I
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: just knew that I had to have I had to
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: find faith somewhere to support me and doing that and
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: you know, my faith may be different than your faith
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: or and the other person's faith, but just faith in general,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: in something higher power or guardian.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Angels or whatever it is.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: It's comforting and it's reassuring, and it makes you feel
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: like you're not alone.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Yes, and I have felt alone many times in my life,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: like devastatingly alone, whether it's circumstantial or literal, you know,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: But to gosh, I.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Just I wish more of our rising youth had that thought.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: It's one thing.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I know we kind of have to take it out
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: of our schools because you can't force a faith on anybody,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: and I wouldn't want that. But I think I've had
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: this sort of idea that kids take fifteen twenty minutes
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: to go to sort of the room of their choice.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, like I don't want to go to any god,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: or I want to go play in the playground, or
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: I want to go this.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go there, I want to go
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: to this.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: It's just because so that students could be in school
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: ingrained with the thought that there's a higher purpose, because
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: I think when we're so involved in ourselves, it never
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: ends up well, at least in my book. I've got
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: to think, Okay, I'm here for a reason. What's my
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: purpose and guide me to try to do it to
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: a higher level.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: And I fail at that all the time too.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: I have a prayer group and it's so sweet, and
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: then thirty minutes later I'm having a meltdown. Oh my god,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: everything in the world back into my own hands, and
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: I am such I fail at it all the time,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: But you can only come back.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: To it, which isn't the best part. Like, we make mistakes,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: we go off our paths, but there's some basis there
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: to always come back to return to.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank goodness, I have a forgiving god, you know. Yeah,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: that humanity. Yeah.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: So what are some of your favorite ways to stay grounded?
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's nature.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I think we've talked about my faith,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: So that's first and foremost nature.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I love nature. A bird to bird fanatic. Wait wait, wait,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: were you always.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: A bird person or did this happen at a certain age,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: because all of a sudden, I'm a bird person?
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: No, are you really?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Like deep, there's an app. I have an app that
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: tells me who's talking to me when.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I need to get that app. It's it's
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: called Merlin or something.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I just heard about it, and I haven't
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: had time to download it.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: No, it's so fun.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: You just like record wherever you are and it tells
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: you what birds are around you.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Because this morning I heard a little bird outside my window,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, I want to know what kind
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: of bird that is.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: But I my mother's living with me now.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: I've taken and my eighty eight year old mom and
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: I live in a little cottage. I live in sort
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: of what was always supposed to be the guest house,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: but I've never gotten around a big to building, the
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: bigger house, you know. And so my mom's right downstairs
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: and she gets to see the squirrels and the birds
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: and flying around in nature. And I have morning glories
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: and this wild sort of indigenous garden and I have
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: to get out there and mow at myself and weed
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: eat it myself.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm in love with you right now.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: It's just like it's so much work. But I have
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: horses and cattle and birds and nature. So I think
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I think it's it's God and then it's nature. Are
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: the are the two things that really center me? And
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: and reading? I think that when I turn on the
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: TV I'm curious and there are all these cool shows
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I want to read and podcasts, but reading really sort
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: of anything that's whether it's writing, reading, coloring. My mom said,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: don't tell anybody you call her.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Like mom, it's hip now.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: They sell and barn Barnes and Noble, but just anything
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: that's sort of monassory, you know, Montessori school, you put
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: your finger in the sand, an.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Those type of things. It was hilarious.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: I was in an apple store recently and I said,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: does anybody have a pen? And they were all like, ah,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: what's a pin? No, I had one, But it's like,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: I still think your kids should learn cursive. And there's
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: something organically about just tactile sort of organic things. So
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: anything like that brings me back to some sort of peace.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: And you know, we just spend our lives rushing and
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: doing so much that we forget about. You don't notice
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: the birds. And it's not until you sit and get
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: quiet and are comfortable sitting with yourself out in nature
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: that you're like, Wow, there's a whole world happening right
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: here in my backyard, and it's like you can watch
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: it forever.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the stars and I look at birds and
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: like a painted bunting. I have painted bendings, and I think,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: of God, I'm like, who they're painting all these birds created,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: all these little birds and all their little colors.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: But I just think the stars nature.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: That's another thing I'm really worried about Texas quite frankly,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: because it's just become overrun with warehouses and people moving
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: here and the land is not being preserved. So I'm
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: going to dedicate my land to being a nature preserve.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Oh I love that. You know. Wait, painted butting. Oh wait,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: you see I'm a bird person, and you said, okay,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: painted bun It's a little bitty bird.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: It's not really big, and it has sort of red
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: or green and yellow and red.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: It's an indigo bunting.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: There's an indigo bunting and a painted bunting, and they
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: they're just sort of they're just colored everywhere. They have
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: like a splotch of color on their back, and they're beautiful.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of sound they make, but
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: I'll walk out in the morning and there'll be this
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: bird that's sort of been like like do you remember
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: the Call and Dances with Wolves? At the very end,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: he was on the cliff and he was making this call,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: you know, the Native American was, and it's like every
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: I go out there and there's this call, this bird
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: that calls to me in the morning, and oh, they're
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: just beautiful.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I love it. I just noticed a butterfly.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: A monarch, a beautiful monarch that is always in my backyard.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I kind of rearranged my furniture on my back porch
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: so that I was looking out instead of looking at
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: the other people. And so now I'm just sit there
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: and I work from my I call it my new office.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I work from that couch and I just see nature
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: all day, and it's so distracting. I hardly get any
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: work done.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Sometimes well, the cows come up, and oh my god,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I know cows.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Angus cattle.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: I think I have Guinness Book of World Records Angus cattle.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: There's big as elephants. I have four because I bought
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: one when my father died, because I thought in honor
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: of him. And then I have long horns with the big,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: huge long horns, and they and I remember when I
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: was shopping for property, there was this little house and
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: the cows were roaming all around the house.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: And I love that that's what I want. That's what
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I want. So my cows just roam right around the house.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: You look out the window, there's this ginormous cow and they,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: you know, I feed them and fill up their water.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Trouss And I don't look anything like this. I'm just saying, yeah,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: now you're like, you're like bear faced. I got a visual.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: I love the faces up frizzy night count. My mom's like,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: I can't believe you're wearing your nightgown to the to
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: take out the trash at the you know this, I'm like,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: why not a nightgown?
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: It looks like a dress. And I'm comfortable. So there
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: and I.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Come back in a full sweat, just like a full sweat.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: But it's it's fun to be out there.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I love that so much.
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• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I'm curious though, but the horns on the longhorns, what
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: happens do they like?
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Ever?
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Is it?
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Are you scared of those horns or did they poke
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: things well in the house?
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Well, pophorns keep their horns forever, and like dear, I think,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: dear shit their horns. But longhorns, they grow and they
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: grow and they grow and they just keep growing. And
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: I find that the longhorn breed is incredibly gentle, just
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: incredibly gentle. They'll walk up to the barn, and they
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: know not to cross the threshold.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Most of the time, they're well mannered. The angles will
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: go in there and knock everything down. Yeah, but they're
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: very sweet the angus.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: But and I don't eat my own beef, and I
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: don't sell them for beef, you know, I can't possibly.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: I watched, sort of like gorillas in the mist, the
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: different generations of my longhorns. About four generations down. There
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: was this baby that another cow a longhorn, was trying
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: to capture, like I'm gonna take you from mine, And
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: out of the woods came the great great grandmother like
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: and she came running and she got that baby back
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: to her daughter. And it's been fascinating to watch the
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: generations and how they hang together. The daughters will stay
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: with the mothers and things of that nature. So it's
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: and then you can I mean, I sell them for ornaments,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: you know, for people who just want to have them
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: in their backyard.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: That's good.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: That would be my favorite thing to do. Just pet
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: them and look at them and talk to them.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: And tiger Bud's my favorite.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: And I literally go talk to him and feed him,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: and I can hand feed him and touch his horns
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: and all that not. Some of them a little more skittish.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a full time job.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but gosh, sounds great.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: It's a good escape because every day I have to
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: go deal with him. So if I'm sitting inside and
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: I'm working from my computer, you know, and you don't
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: want to get it. You can do everything inside your house,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: you don't have it forces me. I have to take
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: that walk, I have to go down to the barn.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: I have to take care of a body. And it's
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: a good thing. Yeah, I want to ride more. I
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: have horses that I can't really ride there. One's thirty
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: and the other one's too wild. So wouldn't it be
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: nice to have a horse? You know, when I used
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: to have horses that I rode, But then when Juliette
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: was born, I was a single mother. I was too
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: afraid of something happening to me on a horse. And
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: now that I'm sixty two, she's on her own, her
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: own thing, and I'm sort of non existent. I'm like, well, hey,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: I want to get a horse, but they're so expensive.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: To get a horse that you can actually ride.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's a trained horse, forget it. Yeah, just
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: get one and train it yourself. What a bond you
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: would have with that hours would be amazing.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Get a baby. I love this farm life. You started
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: on a farm, you raised on a farm where Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I am.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I have a place up in Santynez. I had to
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: sell it, but I have my horses boarded somewhere else.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: And my beautiful Blondie, my best friend that I basically birthed,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: like with I was in the folding stall with her.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Oh when she came out and she just passed away,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: And gosh, is that hard?
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: It's like, who like your best friend? Same with my dog.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Though I'm I connect with animals deeply, and then when
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: they die, it's just rips your heart out.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: I have four pets up here in the bedroom with
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: me because my mother's allergic. So I have three dogs
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: and a kitty cat that I rescued one of the
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: movies that I did. So my animals are everything to me.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: And then when you have them, as you know, we're
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: older now, right, So I've had a lot of pets
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: that have lived in fourteen fifteen years of age and
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: to watch them go is And when my horse passed,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: my horse that I rode all through northern exposure. When
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: I went to buy her, her name was Maggie, like oh, and.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: She put her note.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: We were so bonded. And when she passed, I was
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: filming Friday Night Lights and Julie. It was about eight
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: or nine or ten, I guess, and I was crying
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: on the way down to go film.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: No one really relates when you say my horse side,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: you know. But I've had her for about eighteen years.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: But I believe she's still with me in spirit. I
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: really do. I choose to believe that too, about anyone
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: who's passed.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, true, especially family, but our pets too, for sure,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: our pets.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I had a good cry yesterday about my Pearl, my
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: beautiful dog that passed away this year. And I have
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: this little like a little statue of a dog that
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: looks like her. It's not really her, but I have
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: it from my mirror in the car. And I never
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: go anywhere. I never drive. So I happened to be
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: driving yesterday and there she was, and she was just
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: like twirling around in the sun on that little dangly thing,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: and I just burst into tears.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: And I was kind of dog. She was a big
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: golden doodle, black golden doodle, old doodle.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a labrador right here and she's shedding
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: all over.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Oh I can't handle that, but they're you know, I
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: love that.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: I love the doodles look fantastic because I've had I
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: was raised with poodles and German shepherds and now labadors.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: But oh my gosh, she's she's so smart and so sweet.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: And my mother's living with me now, and she will
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: go over to my mother, lean into her and put
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: her paw on her knee, you know, like as an
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: emotion port, and she'll look at me like, see what
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: I'm doing. I'm like, that's a good.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Animals are so I know.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I want to circle back on the on the dating
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: and rewind back to when you were dating famous men.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: You know, you were with Alec Baldwin, like you said,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Sylvester Stallone and I know what a whirlwind and that
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: is it just in general, but talk about doing it
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  Speaker 2: in Hollywood on top of that, and these are very
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  Speaker 2: famous men. So what was that like for you? Let's
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  Speaker 2: you know, like, what did you learn about relationships from that?
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Now that we're older.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: And we have this hindsight.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Well, I think I learned how to take care of myself,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: you know, because I Alec and I met at an
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: audition for Cutter to Houston, and he looked at me
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: across the crowded room, and I looked at him, and
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: then we walked into her room and I didn't get
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: the job. And later my age was like, why didn't
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: you get the job? And they said, because Alec was
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: so flustered, you know what I mean around you that
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: and Alec tracked me down somehow, and then you didn't
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: show up for three dates.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: He stood me up for three days. I know, I know.
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  Speaker 3: And my mother was again living with me because she
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: was going through a divorce and my mother married and divorced.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: My mother and my father were married three times.
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  Speaker 1: Wow to each other.
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  Speaker 3: That's interesting, and in between they married somebody else. So
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: who's afraid of Virginia Wolf?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 3: The way we were kind of explains my childhood. But
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: so Alec and I fell in love and then we
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: were engaged and to be married, and I have I
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: found it and I'm thinking about posting on social media,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: but I don't know, it might be too weird.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: But I found the invitation to our wed deep.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: You had invitations made up, We had invitations, the dress,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: the dresses, everything was planned, and it was about three
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: weeks to a month out. And you know, I was
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: raised by beloved, beautiful, deep, rich, good, loving parents, but
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: it was very volatile and traumatic. And when I saw
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: that Alec and I were repeating those patterns and I
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: was only twenty one, but talking about choosing yourself, I
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: remember we were walking along the street in Westwoods I
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: lived in Westwick, California, and I looked at him and
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: we were hugging on the sidewalk.
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  Speaker 1: I said, we can't. I can't do it. We can't
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: do it, we just can't.
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  Speaker 3: I knew I was repeating cycles if I did that,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: And he said, well, what will people think?
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: And I said, it really doesn't matter.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: And I was twenty one, right, I was twenty one,
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: so to be able to make that kind of decision,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: to say no, this isn't going to work. And you know,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: we sort of continue to see each other like you do,
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: for two or three years afterwards, and we're still we're
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: still close, you know, every now and then he'll well,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: we'll send a text or chat or something. And I
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: loved Alek. He was my first love. I was a Baptist,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. You had to get married,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: you know. But it's like, I still love Alec, but
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: it was it was a choice I made that it
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: didn't seem like it was going to be healthy for
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: either of us. Really, we both had a lot of
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: things we both needed to learn. So that was the
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: first Sylvester was was really more of an acquaintance, you know.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: People like to say that, but Sylvester and I had
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: a few dates, but he was much more Hollywood than
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: And once again I was like, I'm not going to
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: get that plastic surgery and I'm not going to work
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: out the way you know, I'm going to be me.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: And but but we filmed The Cliffhanger together and it
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: was a lot of fun.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: But I'd watch him.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Get off the you know, the the helicopter with two women,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: you know, one on each arm, and oh my god,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I just like, well.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that, you know. But I
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: still love Sylvester.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: I think Sylvester is a brilliant man, a good person.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Cared for him deeply, and when we were filming a
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Cliffhanger together. It was a lot of fun.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: So I think that, you know, if people ask why
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: did you date?
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: In a weird sort of way, they were the ones
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: that asked, you know, it was kind of like I
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: was in their circle. I remember when s Vester I
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: was at this restaurant called Columbus's, which is also where
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: I met Mikel Berrishakov.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: It was it was the place do you remember it
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: in New York? Were you over there?
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: No, it was on the Columbus in New York in
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: seventy second and you would walk in there and it
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: was the hangout. And I lived at sixty sixth and Columbus.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: It was very close. You'd see anybody there any night.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: And that's where I met Mikel Bershakov and Warren Beatty
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: at the same table.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: And those were the days, right, those were the days
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: where they were like icons. I remember reading in the
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: paper about Michail Berishakov, you know, escaping Communism in the
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: newspaper when I was fifteen, sixteen years of age, and
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: I was a ballerina, so it was all it was
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: very all inspiring for me. But that place was something else,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: you know, and I met Sylvester there and he walked,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: he got up and he walked over to my table,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: and the whole restaurant went silent.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh restaurant. My friends said, do you
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: hear how silent?
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: This restaurant is like yeah, He's like, ht hi, he goes,
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: wh did to come see my painting sometime? And I'm like, oh,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: oh nice, what a line?
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I know whatever, It's so good.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: But in each one of those relationships, I really learned
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: how to choose myself, you know.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: I mean that's great, and you ultimately do from relationships
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: good or bad. I think that's the ultimate takeaway.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I'd like to have one where I can actually get married.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, dear God, am sixty. You want to get married?
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  Speaker 6: You know?
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: I think about that. I'm like, what would marriage look like?
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm so used to my labbador shedding all
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: over my bed? Right?
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Your life is that?
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Like you have a life? Like how do I bring
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: a man into this? But it would be nice. I
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: think my daughter's grown now and my mother's eighty eight.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: I'm taking care of her. I think it would be nice.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: And I think that's one of those things you can't
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: quite picture until it happens, and so I'm going to
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: put that in God's hands. But I would love you know,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: and at my wedding, if I ever get married again,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna have this song at Last by Edie
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  Speaker 3: j Son.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: You got that song out last?
• 38:02
  Speaker 8: Yes?
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Perfect? Oh my gosh. I'm I'm gonna put it out
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: there for you too. I want you to have a wedding.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, well you come, you'll have to come. Oh come,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I'll be right there crying. I'll get my own wedding finally.
• 38:17
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• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I'm so inspired by Janni Turner. I just know she'll
• 38:21
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• 38:24
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