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REVEALED: Instagram star Alexis Sharkey cause of death · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Breaking news. In the last hours, we learn the cause
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  Speaker 1: of death in the death of insta influencer Alexis Sharkey.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at KHOU. Her mom
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  Speaker 1: was adamant from the beginning, telling Kate Sho you went December.
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  Speaker 1: She believes her twenty six year old daughter was murdered,
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  Speaker 1: but I do know it was not an accident, and
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  Speaker 1: now we know the truth the Harris Counting Medical Examiner
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  Speaker 1: officially ruling her cause of death as strangulation and the
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  Speaker 1: manner homicide. Friend Laura Norlan Martin, who met Sharkey through
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  Speaker 1: money the beauty product company they work for, says, I
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  Speaker 1: think this news we all kind of knew, but this
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  Speaker 1: just made it that much more real. I'm angry and
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  Speaker 1: sad all over again, but ready for justice to be
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  Speaker 1: served for our friend. This is what we know. The
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  Speaker 1: cause of death has been established as homicide, with me
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  Speaker 1: an all star panel to make sense of it. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, out of la veteran trial lawyer Troy Slayton.
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  Speaker 1: You can find him at Troy Slayton on Twitter. Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Gardier were now clinical psychologist Professor of Behavioral Medicine
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  Speaker 1: at TRURO at Doctor Jeff Gardeer dot com. He is
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  Speaker 1: the author of the Causes of Autism with Me, Death Investigator,
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  Speaker 1: Professor Forensics Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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  Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon, and star of a new hit series,
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  Speaker 1: Poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network. Joseph Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: but straight out to lead reporter with Wdbo Ray Caputo Ray.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a long time coming. The cause of death
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  Speaker 1: for Alexis Sharkey, just twenty six years old, found naked
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  Speaker 1: throne on the side of a Houston suburban road, a
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  Speaker 1: very obscure road, I might add, tell me when did
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  Speaker 1: this come out? And what have we learned so far
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  Speaker 1: about the cod cause of death. Well, it is labeled
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  Speaker 1: the homicide, but this has done a very very mysterious
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  Speaker 1: type of story from the start that nobody knew how
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  Speaker 1: this woman died. But yeah, right now, with the cause
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  Speaker 1: of desert is illegal to homicide. Well, we've got cause
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  Speaker 1: of death and manner of death to you, Joe Scott Morgan.
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  Speaker 1: I understand asphyxiation has been mentioned to explain the difference
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  Speaker 1: between cause of death and manner of death. Yeah, well
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  Speaker 1: with cause of death, Nancy, that's the specific causal factor
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  Speaker 1: that brings about one's death manner of death. There's only
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  Speaker 1: five of those. That's literally the classification. Just imagine a
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  Speaker 1: gigantic umbrella made up of suicide, homicide, natural accident undetermined,
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  Speaker 1: and the cause fit beneath that umbrella. And in this
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  Speaker 1: case we have a homicide and underneath that they've listed
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  Speaker 1: this cause of death as a strangulation. Now you know,
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  Speaker 1: strange relation, right, right, Let's just be clear, Detroit Laate
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  Speaker 1: and criminal defense attorney, there's a big difference when you
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  Speaker 1: say COD cause of death and MD manner of death.
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  Speaker 1: So the cause of death is Joe Scott Morgan pointed out,
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  Speaker 1: is the actual physical physiological cause of death in this
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  Speaker 1: case asphyxiation manner of death. For instance, with children, baby's infants,
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  Speaker 1: there's positional asphyxiation where they fall asleep in their car
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  Speaker 1: seat and their head tilts down and because of their
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  Speaker 1: position they asphyxiate. That would be more of an accident
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  Speaker 1: in many cases. In this case it's homicide bi asphyxiation.
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  Speaker 1: Explain from a legal sense what Joe Scott Morgan, what
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  Speaker 1: he just said means. It means that somebody put their
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  Speaker 1: hands on her neck and squeezed until she was dead.
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  Speaker 1: And so that means that there is a person that
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  Speaker 1: caused her death. This was not an accident, Nancy, and
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  Speaker 1: so whoever did this is at large. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: started to correct you choice Lytton, but you're absolutely correct
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  Speaker 1: because when you said somebody put their hands on her neck,
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  Speaker 1: that would indicate a manual strangulation. Very often you will
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  Speaker 1: see bruising, redness marks on the neck with a man
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  Speaker 1: in the eyes. Yes, But when her body was found,
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  Speaker 1: there was no sign, no visual sign of cause of death.
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  Speaker 1: So in my mind, that definitely ruled out ligature strangulation.
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  Speaker 1: With a ligature strangulation, you have very deep bruising when
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  Speaker 1: a ligature like a rope or a pantyhose or something
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  Speaker 1: is used to strangle someone. With manual you may even
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  Speaker 1: see bruising that looks like fingertips or scratching. But when
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  Speaker 1: you said asphyxiation, I think you're right, Troy Slayton, Jessica Morgan.
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  Speaker 1: With asphyxiation such as smothering someone, there would not be
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  Speaker 1: any markings on the neck. Agree, disagree? Yes, I agree,
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  Speaker 1: So we hear asphyxiation. Do you believe, Jessica Morgan, manual
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  Speaker 1: ligature or suffocation. I think that this is probably going
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  Speaker 1: to wind up being a manual strangulation, Nancy. That's just
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  Speaker 1: my belief at this point in time. You would have
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  Speaker 1: to go some distance to have an individual that was
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  Speaker 1: asphyxiated safe, for instance, with a pillow, which is something
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  Speaker 1: that's you know, this's portrayed movies, and that's sort of
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  Speaker 1: thing all the time in my experience, when you have
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  Speaker 1: someone who dies as a result of asphyxiation, most of
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  Speaker 1: the time it's going to be a very personal Now
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  Speaker 1: we can rule out I think at this point a
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  Speaker 1: ligature like a rope or a wire or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh Man, Joe Scott, A ligature strangulation. I've had ligature
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  Speaker 1: strangulation cases. For the neck is three and a half
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  Speaker 1: four inches in diameter. After a very violent ligature strangulation,
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  Speaker 1: the neck is actually I don't even know how that happens,
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  Speaker 1: is strangled so tightly. It's the size of a little
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  Speaker 1: more than a grapefruit. Yea, Yeah, diameter, horrible markings on
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  Speaker 1: ligature strangulation, and for so many people that came in
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  Speaker 1: contact with her body, they're naked on the side of
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  Speaker 1: the road, which naked in itself, suggests she didn't commit
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  Speaker 1: suicide or have an accident on the side of the
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  Speaker 1: road alone. But they didn't mention anything about markings on
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  Speaker 1: her neck. No, they didn't. And you know, one of
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  Speaker 1: the things you have to think about, Nancy, with this
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  Speaker 1: particular case, we've got a vulnerable woman. Obviously she's completely nude.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what position she was in prior to death. Okay, like,
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  Speaker 1: was she taken out and kind of you know, had
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  Speaker 1: her clothes removed, that sort of thing. She was very
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  Speaker 1: vulnerable and we don't know physically how vulnerable she is.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't require a tremendous amount of pressure on the
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  Speaker 1: neck with bare hands, for instance, to occlude the airway
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  Speaker 1: to stop breathing. And also the uptake of blood to
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  Speaker 1: the brain. You can't forget about that in a strangulation.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just the cutting off of the airway. It's
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  Speaker 1: also this fact that you're going into where the caroated
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  Speaker 1: vessels are that supply the oxygenated blood to the brain,
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  Speaker 1: and just the slightest bit of pressure for just two
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  Speaker 1: to three minutes can cause death. So you're not necessarily
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  Speaker 1: going to see anything externally. You might see injuries, though
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  Speaker 1: would be on the backside of the hands perpetrator, because
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  Speaker 1: you'll get claw marks, fingernail marks, that sort of thing
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  Speaker 1: many times, and it makes it even more difficult if
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  Speaker 1: the p is coming up to the victim from behind.
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  Speaker 1: If the purpose in front of the victim, the victim
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  Speaker 1: can kick, can nee somebody, and the growing can do
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of self defense maneuvers. But if the purpose
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  Speaker 1: coming up from behind, there's going to be a lot
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  Speaker 1: less the victim can do. Hence a lot less physical
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  Speaker 1: evidence left on the body. Straight out to doctor Jeff Gardier,
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  Speaker 1: board certified clinical psychologists, renowned psychologists, a professor behavioral Medicine
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  Speaker 1: at TURO, doctor Jeff Joe Scott mentioned something that I
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  Speaker 1: find very very important. I've referred to this type of
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  Speaker 1: a killing as a kind to a stabbing as in
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  Speaker 1: a Jodi Aria's case, to a sweetheart murder. Not that
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  Speaker 1: there's any love loss, but it's an intimate killing that
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  Speaker 1: gives me an idea of who may have done it.
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  Speaker 1: Explain why this is unlike a shooting at thirty paces,
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  Speaker 1: for instance. Well, first of all, the fact that she
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  Speaker 1: was found nude certainly talks about that there was a
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  Speaker 1: proximity between herself and whomever the purpose itself, you have
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  Speaker 1: to be close, yes, absolutely, and therefore this may be
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  Speaker 1: most likely someone that she knew. Remember, this was an influencer,
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  Speaker 1: a woman who was extremely smart, but she was also
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  Speaker 1: exposed to many different people. And of course we always
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  Speaker 1: look at Nancy through the years that you and I
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  Speaker 1: have been together, we look within the inner circle because
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  Speaker 1: that's where there is most likely some sort of absolutely
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  Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about
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  Speaker 1: the breaking knees as it relates to insta influencer. Twenty
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  Speaker 1: six year old Alexis Sharkey take a listen right now
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  Speaker 1: to our friends Stephen or Remo, ABC thirteen, Houston. Alexis
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  Speaker 1: Sharky disappeared right after Thanksgiving. A city worker then found
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  Speaker 1: her boy near the Katie Freeway, but there were no
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  Speaker 1: visible wounds, making her cause of death a mystery. It
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  Speaker 1: was a City of Houston public service they were driving
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  Speaker 1: by and they saw the feet of female in the bushes.
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  Speaker 1: At the time, police weren't even able to confirm whether
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  Speaker 1: she'd been murdered. Living your worst nightmare ever. But from
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  Speaker 1: the time Alexie's body was found friends and family, including
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  Speaker 1: her mom Stacy Robinot, told us they believed Lexi was murdered,
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  Speaker 1: and today we learned they were right. I looked at
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  Speaker 1: her and I was like, she's petrified. This girl is
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  Speaker 1: scared for her life. The medical examiner determining she was strangled.
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  Speaker 1: If the medical examiner says strangled, they're being very exact
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  Speaker 1: in their wording. Straight back out to Ray Kaputo, lead
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  Speaker 1: anchor W. Dbo Ray, It's not just simply asphyxiation, which
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  Speaker 1: could be any number of modes of killing, ligature, manual suffocation,
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  Speaker 1: even lack of oxygen. Strangulation is a whole another animal.
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  Speaker 1: And all my years prosecuting and covering crimes strangulation, you
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  Speaker 1: are looking your victim in the face typically as you
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  Speaker 1: strangle them. It is mortal combat. They had to find
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  Speaker 1: something on her neck, on her body, not just hemorrhaged
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  Speaker 1: PARTICULARI in the eyes where the blood vessels pop due
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  Speaker 1: to lack of oxygen. You have to look at that
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  Speaker 1: under a microscope to see it. That's done during autopsy.
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  Speaker 1: But there had to be something, some evidence regarding her net,
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  Speaker 1: collar bone, or spine to tell them she was in
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  Speaker 1: fact strangled, not smothered, not deprived of oxygen, but strangled.
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  Speaker 1: What more do we know, Ray Kipputo, lead news anchor
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  Speaker 1: Orlando News WDBO Ray, Well, along Nancy, we know that
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  Speaker 1: also the way, the way her body was silent. Not
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  Speaker 1: only was she strangled, she was thrown and through bushes
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  Speaker 1: like a piece of garbage. And it wasn't until the
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  Speaker 1: day later that someone actually found herself whoever had done
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  Speaker 1: this to her Nancy not only strangled her, but but
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  Speaker 1: clearly this discarded her like a piece of trash. And
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  Speaker 1: it's just a climb of hate, you know, it really
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  Speaker 1: is to leave her discarded in that manner like trash
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  Speaker 1: on the side of the road, completely naked, to be
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  Speaker 1: found that way. As a matter of fact, how did
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing start? Take a list to our francy
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  Speaker 1: at kho U TV eleven use. The police are investigating
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  Speaker 1: the dust of a woman whose nude body was found
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  Speaker 1: on the side of the road. Police say a public
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  Speaker 1: works employee discovered the body off Red Hall Lane near
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  Speaker 1: I ten at about eight o'clock this morning. They say
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  Speaker 1: she had no visible injuries. The medical examiner will determine
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  Speaker 1: a cause of death and ID. The victim is described
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  Speaker 1: as a white woman in her early twenties. If you
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  Speaker 1: know anything about this, you're asked to please call HPD
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  Speaker 1: Homicide or crime stoppers. Right there. We believe that she
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  Speaker 1: was dumped there. It's not as if she were hitch
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  Speaker 1: high king got picked up and immediately murdered, dumped, dumped.
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  Speaker 1: Alexis Sharkey's autopsy shows the twenty six year old have
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  Speaker 1: been strangled dead, her body dumped on the side of
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  Speaker 1: a Texas road. Ray Kiputer tell me about the area
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  Speaker 1: where she was dumped. Well, this was an area of Houston.
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  Speaker 1: It was I believe it wasn't terribly far from where
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  Speaker 1: she's at. Nan say, I don't have that exactly. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you're right about not being far from her apartment, not
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  Speaker 1: being far from her apartment at all. Let me stop.
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  Speaker 1: You're right there, and that is significant. Troy Slayton, criminal
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney joining me out of La veteran trial lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: I know you may disagree with me on my comparison,
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  Speaker 1: but I know you recall Robert Blake, the famous actor,
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  Speaker 1: and his wife Bunny Lee Bakeley, was shot dead sitting
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  Speaker 1: in his car. Blake's car they had been out to
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  Speaker 1: an Italian dinner. For some reason that night, as opposed
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  Speaker 1: to all other nights, he went instead of parking at
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  Speaker 1: the open parking spot right by the door in the front,
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  Speaker 1: parked in the back and an alley. He walked her
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  Speaker 1: to the car and according to him, came back him
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  Speaker 1: because he forgot his gun. Then he says, when he
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  Speaker 1: goes back to the car, she's dead. Found in a dumpster.
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  Speaker 1: I think about a block away was the murder weapon?
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  Speaker 1: What does that tell me? That tells me the person
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  Speaker 1: that killed Bonnie Lee Bakeley could not leave the area.
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  Speaker 1: They had to dispose of the gun right there on
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  Speaker 1: top of where the murder was committed. Here go with me,
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  Speaker 1: Troice Layton. We find her body a stone's throw from
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  Speaker 1: her apartment. Now, let me just say any According to
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  Speaker 1: the husband, forty nine year old Tom Sharkey, she left
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  Speaker 1: the apartment. He told her not to drive, having been drinking,
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  Speaker 1: and he did not see her again. She left anyway,
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  Speaker 1: She went out into the parking lot while she going
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  Speaker 1: for her car, while she attacked in the parking lot.
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  Speaker 1: I know this, Troice Layton. Her body was found not
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  Speaker 1: too far from their apartment. What does that tell you?
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  Speaker 1: It means that it was either somebody that knew her
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  Speaker 1: or somebody that was stalking her. She was an Instagram influencer.
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  Speaker 1: She had tens of thousands of followers. She was a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful young girl, so she had people that would potentially
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  Speaker 1: be interested in her. That could be from all over
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  Speaker 1: the world. But it's not very hard in the age
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  Speaker 1: of the Internet to find out where somebody lives. It
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  Speaker 1: tells me, I mean, yeah, someone could have seen her online.
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  Speaker 1: That's absolutely a possibility. Beautiful, stunning, thousands of followers. But
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  Speaker 1: it tells me that whoever that someone was did their
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  Speaker 1: evil business and disposed of the body right there. They
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  Speaker 1: didn't take her far away, they didn't hold her hostage
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  Speaker 1: and some underground bunker. They killed her right there. How
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  Speaker 1: did she get naked? Where are her clothes? If she
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  Speaker 1: were right right there on the scene, where are her clothes?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Nancy, what she was confiding in her friends
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  Speaker 1: that she was terrified, that she was terrified for her life.
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  Speaker 1: She knew that she was in danger, and for her
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  Speaker 1: to go out alone is just is frightening. Unless she
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  Speaker 1: was going out to see somebody, maybe that she knew
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  Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace breaking knees in the case
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  Speaker 1: of instat influencer Alexis Sharkey, the twenty six year old
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  Speaker 1: beauty that had Instagram fame. Her body found thrown on
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  Speaker 1: the side of an obscure Houston area road. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to our friend Steve Campion Katie r k TV thirteen, Houston.
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  Speaker 1: I have no question in the core of my being
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  Speaker 1: that there I just know. I mean, there's someone out
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  Speaker 1: there that knows what happened. Alexis's mother, Stacy Robinal, spoke
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  Speaker 1: with me about the devastating loss, saying at the center
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  Speaker 1: of her being she believes her daughter was murdered. I
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  Speaker 1: just I think they're still trying to piece that together.
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  Speaker 1: It's it just feels so disjointed, and the way she
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  Speaker 1: was found just I can't I can't wrap my brain
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  Speaker 1: around what happened. And so no, I don't have any
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  Speaker 1: I don't have any good information at all, which is
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  Speaker 1: which is very painful. Guys, you were hearing her mother. Now,
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  Speaker 1: take a listen to Steve A. Champion at ktr KTV
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  Speaker 1: thirteen arcutt too. We know homicide detectives they're looking at
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  Speaker 1: surveillance video of cars going up and down this road
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  Speaker 1: near I ten they're trying to figure out how a
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  Speaker 1: body ended up in this brush. Now, it was Saturday
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  Speaker 1: morning when a garbage truck driver he noticed feet coming
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  Speaker 1: up from the bushes. He called this into nine one one.
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  Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation. In series one eleven,
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  Speaker 1: in the last hours that we learned the cod cause
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  Speaker 1: of death and insta influencer Alexis Sharkey's now we know
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  Speaker 1: murder homicide. Straight back out to Joe Scott Morgan. The
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  Speaker 1: location where her body was discarded tells me a lot.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that she was naked and her clothes were
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  Speaker 1: not there on the scene completely naked also tells me
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  Speaker 1: a lot. Jump in. Yeah, you know, I was thinking
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  Speaker 1: just a second ago, you and Ray have both used
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  Speaker 1: the word several times thrown. I'd agree with that. Let
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  Speaker 1: me throw in another adjective here. I'm gonna say frenzied.
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  Speaker 1: And this is why in cases where we have bodies
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  Speaker 1: that are found kind of sequestered or hidden away, that
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  Speaker 1: takes time. Nancy, whoever did this, remember what they said
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  Speaker 1: about the garbage workers. You know, when they were observing
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  Speaker 1: this body. Initially they noted that they could literally see
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  Speaker 1: feet feet from the roadway. It's not like they had
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  Speaker 1: to go looking for them. This gives me an indication
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  Speaker 1: that the individual that did this wanted to get as
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  Speaker 1: much distance between them and the body in as short
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  Speaker 1: a period of time as possible. This almost sounds like
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  Speaker 1: this young woman could have been in the trunk. She
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  Speaker 1: could even have been in the front seat. It would
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  Speaker 1: have just required the individual to have opened the door
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  Speaker 1: to the car, or open the trunk and push her out,
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  Speaker 1: or drag her out and just drop her there. Hey, listen, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: Houston's a big place. There's even swamps around Houston. There's
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  Speaker 1: wooded areas around Houston. But in this particular case, they
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  Speaker 1: chose to go just the side of the roadway and
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  Speaker 1: pull her body out and deposit it there, so that
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  Speaker 1: just it could be you or I or any of
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  Speaker 1: our listeners should drive them down the road and they're
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  Speaker 1: literally going to see a body with the feet sticking out.
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  Speaker 1: That's how little care was taken in this particular case.
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  Speaker 1: You tube the word out of my mouth. J Scott Morgan.
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  Speaker 1: I was about to say carelessly thrown, but the fact
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  Speaker 1: that she was thrown, that she was discarded at another scene.
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  Speaker 1: This would be at least the secondary or tertiary crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe the murder happened there because her clothes
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  Speaker 1: are not there. My point is, yes, she was carelessly
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  Speaker 1: discarded on the side of the road, completely naked, but
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: she was discarded. Typically in a stranger to stranger attack,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the attack goes down and the perp runs. They don't
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: take time to move the body from one place to
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: another and throw it out in high bushes. That doesn't happen.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: They flee the scene immediately. To Ray Kaputo, lead anchor
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: WDBO Ray, do we know if a rape kit was performed?
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know for sure. Nancy would I
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: have not heard anything about her being raped, and I
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: think that something like that we would have heard about before,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. It seems like we would have.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: But Nancy, I can almost positively guarantee you, based upon
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: what I know about the emmy in Houston, this is
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: standard protocol. They would have done a rape kit on her.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: They would have done hair sampling on her. They're waiting
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: for this to come back. I can almost promise you
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: this that's what they're looking for. Further to further this
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: investigation relative to her. They're waiting on what the rape kit.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: They're going to be waiting on the rape kit. Remember,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: there's problems, there's problems all across the Let me ask
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: you to drop the questions, just brief cross exam questions.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Number one, would they necessarily have released the result from
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the rape kit Jessica? Okay, she may have been raped
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: and we don't know about it yet. And number two,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I believe we've been waiting all this time for the
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: COD and MD because of toxicology issues. In other words,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: did you od that in my mind was what we
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: were waiting on from my experience, correct me if you
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: have a different experience. But from all the cases I've
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: ever tried and investigated, you get a rape kit case
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: back pretty quickly. Toxicology takes a lot longer with a
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: rape case. You do a vaginal anal swaby, swab the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: pubic are you swab the oral cavity, other areas of
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: the body. You can look under a microscope at the slab.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: You take the Q tip, you rub it on a
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: piece of glass, you put it under a microscope, and
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: you see or don't see semen. Yeah, but what else?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: What else? Are they. Yeah, you're absolutely right, and that's
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: very easy to do. The spermatozoa can actually be visualized
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: very easily. However, I have to say this, Nancy, they're
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: taking this a step what they're doing. If they have,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: if they have a seminal sample on this individual, they're
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: going to be digging deep. They're gonna be looking for
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: a match on this That is going to take a
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: little bit longer. Still, Yes, I agree with you. To
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: get a DNA match on a potential part that does
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: take longer. But the rape can itself to determine whether
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: she had been raped. We would have known that in
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: three days. As a matter of fact, isn't it true
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan that once you look at the semen
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: under a microscope, depending on the degradation of the semen,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: you could determine how long ago it was the rape occurred.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: For instance, if the sperm is totally intact, it's been
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: within a twelve twenty four hours. After twenty four hours,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the tail comes off of the sperm. After longer the
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: head comes off. So you're looking at degraded sperm. You
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: can tell how long ago in certain cases the rape occurred. Yes, no, yes,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: yes you can. I want you to take a listen
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: to what I believe may be a very significant clue. Now,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: agree with Joe Scott Morgan. A significant clue would be
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: is their DNA? And another question, Joe Scott, what types
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: of experiments and tests have they done on her body?
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Touch a DNA? What type of experiments and tests have
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: they done on her physical body? Joe Scott, Oh, my gosh,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: there's any number of things. First off, you can look
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: for hair and skin samples, and think about this, Nancy,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: where are you gonna look for those on the deceased?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Where you're gonna look under her fingernails? We'll do what
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I refer to this nails Manuel strange question. Yeah, in
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: her throat. We'll be looking for nails scrapings to see
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: what's underneath those nails. I can probably imagine that since
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: she's a social influencer and the way these people paint
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: up their nails and whatnot, they may have been easily
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: cracked broken that sort of thing. You're going to be
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: looking for this sort of thing. And also, as you know, Nancy,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I've been present many times when we've actually lifted fingerprints
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: off of bodies by superglue fuming. So they'll be looking
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: at fascinated with a superglue fuming process in a nutshell.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Explain it very it's there's not a lot to it.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: And what occurs is that the body will be placed
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: on the autopsy table and we create what looks like
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: a clear tint okay, a plastic around the body, and
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: then a tray a little container of of of superglue
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: is actually placed on on a heater. It looks actually
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: like do you remember the old coffee mug warmers. We
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: can actually use that and heat up the superglue in there.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: And as the superglue heats up, it actually turns in
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: to a fog. It's called fogging. And as it settles
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: back to Earth, or as it settles back down, as
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: gravity pulls it down, it comes to rest on the
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: body and then it marries up. The superglue marries up
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: with the oils that are deposited, the fatty lipids that
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: are left behind by the fingerprints onto the body, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: that fingerprint literally Nancy is locked in. It is amazing
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: with alternative turnative lighting, what detail you can see and
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: to you. Troy Slayton, veteran criminal defense attorney joining me
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: out of La Troy. Another issue is this if somebody
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: she knows has DNA on her or hair or fibers
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: from one of their outfits, it's just let's just imagine
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: one of those plaid lumberjack shirts. So let's just take
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that for instance. Can easily match up fiber that may
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: be on her nails, on her body, and her hair
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: to that kind of shirt. Got to be careful because
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: just because there is fiber or here that may innocently
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: be on her body, it could be and obviously anyone
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: that would have normal lawful contact with her may have
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: her DNA or of hair, skin, clothing fibers on them,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: so that might be completely normal. What I'm know, I'm
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: really interested in and what I would want to see
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: as a criminal defense attorney, is a full scrubbing of
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: her social media. This is a person who lived their
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: life online and was with their thousands of followers. That's
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: the type of person who's getting hundreds of messages a
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: day through their Instagram, through their other social media outlets.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: So I want to know who she was talking with,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: what kind of messages she was getting, what were the
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: private messages and direct messages that she was getting, because
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: that's what could provide the digital footprint to let us
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: know who was potentially looking at her, or after her
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: or threatening her. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. For those
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: of you just joining us, thank you for being with
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: us here at Fox Nation in series eleven. Many many
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: legal legals across the country have been waiting for the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: toxicology and cause of death results in the case of
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: a twenty six year old Instagram influencer, Alexis Sharky. So
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: many clues we're looking at carefully in the wake of
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: that announcement cause of death homicide by strangulation. There is
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: one clue, one clue we need to take a look at.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eight. Houston Police spokesperson
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: speaking out. We are working on surveillance at this moment.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: They one business that I does have some thank you.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: We haven't looked at you, and we're still gathering information,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: gathering video. It hasn't mean it's too long, so we're
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: thinking overnight video from a business near by. Straight back
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: out to w DBO lead anchor Ray Caputa, what can
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: you tell me about that video? I understand there's one
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: car in particular, they're looking at Oh yeah, and Nancy,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I don't have the information on the video, I'm sorry,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: but I do know that there is some information coming
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: from her friends and answer that that she was a
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: very scout one. There's a lot of details as to
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: why she was scared. You know what, You're absolutely right.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut twelve, our friends at
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: crime online dot com. I have no question in the
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: core of my being that there I just, I mean,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: there's someone out there that knows what happened. Alexis's mother,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Stacy Robino, spoke with me about the devastating loss, saying
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: at the center of her being she believes her daughter
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: was murdered. I just I think they're still trying to
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: piece that together. It's it just feels so disjointed, and
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and the way she was found just I can't. I
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: can't wrap my brain around what happened. And so no,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I don't have any I don't have any good information
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: at all, which is which is very painful. Actually, I'm
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: glad you played cutting number four. You were hearing Steve
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Campion at KTRKTV thirteen discussing now the funeral of Alexis
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Sharky straight back out to Ray Kaputo, I understand there
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: was actually a skirmish of sorts over control of Alexis's body. Yeah, Nancy,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: there was it. I mean, it just goes to show
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: you that there's some some inflating right now. But it
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: was her mother had tried to get her body, I believe,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: and that there was all the issues with it, you know,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: and after somebody dies, in all the pain that they're
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: dealing with, it's like they can't even get closure because
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: the story is still ongoing. You know that it's going
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: to be a while before her mom is able to
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: sit down and digest the fact that her daughters do
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: wonder whether because of all this stuff that's happening right now,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. Let's take another stab at at Jackie. Let's
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: go to our cut eleven. This is Steve Campion Katie
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: r K thirteen. There's two tales emerging this afternoon about
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Alexis and Tom Sharkey's marriage. Friends who said it was
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: on the rocks, her husband who called it strong, telling
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: me Alexis was his life partner and they were not
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: filing for divorce. We've learned the nature of that marriage
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: is now part of hbd's investigation detectives working to learn
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the truth. Straight out to Jeff Gardier, Doctor Jeff Gardier
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: joining us. He is the professor of behavioral Medicine at TRURO.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Why is it not just in this case, but in
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: every case where a woman goes missing or was found dead?
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: You look at the life partner, boyfriend, live in, ex boyfriend,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: husband first, statistically, because that is the person that you
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: are having most contact with. And when we look at,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: of course, when a woman is murdered, that the statistics
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: show that it may be an intimate situation in that
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: situation has been caused by the partner, the person they
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: are closest to, the person they have conflicts with. We
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: understand police are looking at surveillance video from a particular
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: business along the road where Alexis body was found. It's
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: a beauty salon. Sources telling us there is one car
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: spotted on that video. Now the question is who was
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: in the car? Straight out to Joe Scott Morgan, Professor
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: forensics at Jacksonville State University. We also know the body
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: was most likely dumped in the dark of night. How
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: much can they really see on that surveillance video? What
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: do you make of it, Joe Scott, Well, if they
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: can enhance the video to some degree, and there's any
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: number of agencies that can do that, particularly at the
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: federal level, but the Texas Rangers can do that as well. Nancy,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: you know them very well. Do you mean by enhance well,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: enhances that they can take that image? Remember, you know
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: all the CCTV videography that you and I have looked
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: at over the years is so very grainy most of
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the time. A lot of it's going to be depended
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: upon the quality of the equipment that this particular store
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: has and how much of a time that they captured
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: that particular image passing before the lens of that camera.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: If they can freeze that and get it to one
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: of these law enforcement agencies, they can do electronic digital
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: enhancement of the image, and they can actually freeze it,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: kind of frame it out to an outline of it,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: and there's a database that they can run this thing
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: through and try to capture within a reasonable scientifically scientific
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: likelihood of what model this car might be. Now, going
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: back to what doctor Jeff, you think they can at
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: least get the model. They could probably get it at
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: least the model and if you can pare that down.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Doctor Jeff had mentioned something kind of interesting just a
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: few moments ago in the fact that you're going to
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: look at the circle of intimates, and this becomes elementary
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: at this point in time. You look at the circle
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: of intimates, what type of vehicles did these individuals draw upon,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: what did they use on a regular basis, And then
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: if you can correlate that between the image that you
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: catch on the street with these other vehicles, that there's
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: people in her circle drove, that's going to narrow this
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: thing down a bit. I mean, you think about it
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: like a triangle. You've got to figure out there's the apartment,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the body less than three miles away, and question mark
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the purp it someone one that felt they had to
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: discard her body, dump her body from where it was
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: right immediately and quickly. Yeah, and think about this too, Nancy.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Remember even you said that this is kind of an
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: isolated area, even though it's next to it ten, which
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: is a huge, huge artery in our country. This is
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: kind of an isolated area. We have to begin to
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: think as investigators, well, who in the heck's gonna even
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: have knowledge of this area? When you say that I
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: always go back to Shasta and Dylan Granny in Cordelaine, Idaho.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: They I mean, if you look at an aerial it's
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: nothing but green trees. There's an interstate and some perv
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: driving down the interstate sees Shasta at an above ground pool.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: From the interstate, goes and lies in wait, takes Shasta
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: and her little brother Dylon, kills the whole rest of
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: the family also kills the Dylon before Shasta is saved.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: So it does happen where someone spotted from the interstate.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know how likely that is, but you're absolutely right.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: That throws a monkey wrench into the whole thing. So
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: we've got video of a vehicle Major, We've got potential
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: sperm Major, We've got potential DNA on her body, her
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: clothes gone, which tells me a lot about the mind
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: of the killer. Also, take a listen to our cut fourteen.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: This is Khou eleven's Janelle Ludo. Alexis met so many
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: of her friends through Mona and her mini work trips.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I got that nice. That's where she also met Lauren.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: She's grown to be such a good friend to me,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: and I just can't believe she's gone, Lauren says before Houston,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Alexis once lived in Midland, Odessa and that's where she
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: met her husband Tom. She says the two moved a
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Grand Junction, Colorado for about four months and twenty nineteen
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: and she absolutely loved it and just traveling and being
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: with her friends. You heard that Alexis worked for a
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: company named Mane at some point. It was alleged mine
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: was part of a pyramid scheme and that may have
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: had something to do with alexis death. Highly unlikely right now,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: police on the case. We've got a cause of death,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: a manner of death, but not the killer yet. We
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: wait as justice enfolds. Nancy Grace's crime story, signing off
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: goodbye friend,