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The Disturbing Connection Between AIDs, Covid, & Satanic Rituals — Celia Farber Interview · Man in America Podcast

• 0:01
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen welcome to Man in America. I'm your host Seth Hullhouse. So if you look at Covid and you ask yourself who was at the center of Covid? In many ways it was our favorite Doctor. Fauci but maybe you knew or maybe didn't know that he was also at the center of the aids epidemic and a lot of the psychological tools they used on us during COVID were actually developed during the aids epidemic And this is just the tip of the iceberg in understanding this and how it connects to satanic rituals and the worship of science or placement of God.
• 0:33
  I mean, this this rabbit hole goes deep. And so joining us today to help make sense of all this is investigative journalist Celia Farber, someone that was actually on the ground exposing what was happening during the AIDS epidemic and was able to use that information to piece together a lot of what was happening in COVID. And so this is gonna be a fascinating interview that I hope you really enjoy. Before we get started, make sure you're following me on social media at Man in America and on Twitter at Man in America US. Also, make sure that if you're watching on Rumble, which this video is obviously not gonna be on YouTube, hit that like button, leave a comment, you know, share with your friends or family.
• 1:09
  These are all great ways to support the show. And every show is done as a podcast as well. So if you wanna listen instead of watch, just go to your favorite podcast app and search for Man in America, and you'll find me there. Alright, folks. Let's dive into this interview with Celia Farber.
• 1:24
  Celia, it is such a pleasure to have you on the show today.
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: It's such a pleasure to be here, Seth, and thank you so much for having me.
• 1:34
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, absolutely. So there's I think there's so much that we can talk about as we're just kind of discussing before the show started. And we'll probably have to do multiple of these these interviews. But there's two things I want to point out just to kind of frame our discussion that really help people understand you and your work. So one of them is a recent article you published on your Substack, which I'll put the link to this below in the description about basically referring to COVID as virus communism.
• 2:01
  And I really wanna dig into that. But the other thing is a book that you wrote based upon the a lot of the reporting you did, you know, back in the eighties, I think exposing the agenda of AIDS and just all the the falsehoods of it and how it's been used as a as a propaganda tool and how I think it's gotten us used to the that approach of fearing the virus and and how it's kinda worked in. So there's just there's just so much to talk about. But why don't you start with just giving us a little bit of a background of yourself as investigative journalist and how you've gotten up to where you are today?
• 2:38
  Speaker 2: Sure. Well, I was born and originally the early part of my life was in New York City, but my mother was Swedish. So she moved us to Sweden when I was older child, I was 11. And so that exposed me to an early, was the year was 1976 going on 1977. So Sweden was at the peak of its socialist ideation, you might say, right?
• 3:06
  I mean, had started decades before, but it was in, it was in full, full throttle. So I suddenly got exposed to both first getting swept up in it. You might say brainwashed by it and then coming out of it and turning against it. So by the time I came back to The States, Nineteen Eighty Four, Eighty Five is when I started getting into journalism and at the same time as I'm beginning college, I had a, you could say, I guess an anti communist lens on the world or anti socialist lens or socialist skeptical came here and found that that was very hard to find here. My father was the radio broadcaster Barry Farber who was unusual in that he was Jewish and conservative way before that was common and an anti communist himself.
• 4:08
  And so when people think that's where I got it from, I was always the odd man out among the HIV dissenters, I would say, because I was not a leftist. Let's just call a spade a spade. And AIDS was very much the brainchild and product and baby of the left. And it had a lot of Marxist characteristics, which I noticed early on, but I didn't I didn't understand how significant they were. So I'll, we'll get to that in a moment.
• 4:45
  So as I begin to write about HIV AIDS, the science, what I'm seeing right away is that the dissenting scientists were the ones I was interested in, the Peter Duesbergs and so forth. The ones who were saying that the theory is false, right? So essentially to use socialist dialectic terms, were calling Lysenkoism on it. They were saying this has something to do with a state ideology, but it does not conform to any, any of the classical biological scientific concepts any of us know to be true. So it's like a revolution happens in, in American biology the moment they launch HIV as the cause of AIDS in 1984.
• 5:32
  So I start my reporting around '86, '80 '7 in earnest. I interview HIV premier dissident Peter Duesberg in 1980, late '80 '7, the year his first landmark paper comes out challenging the whole thing, which wasn't about HIV, was about were retroviruses causes of cancer and or were they causes of AIDS? He said they were causes of neither. So he's like this, he's a retrovirologist, but he's constantly refusing to go along with the wild claims made for retroviruses at that time. This is a very promiscuous time in Americans so called virology where you have what's called the virus hunters and they want everything to be one pathogen.
• 6:27
  And if it's one pathogen, it's a virus. It's not a parasite or a spire, it's a virus. So there's this virus mania going on in the late eighties and it's, it is yes, driven by greed, profit motives and so forth, but it was, it also became, and I watched this happen, it also became a, you might say, I don't know if Druidic religion is the right way to say it, but a cult of a sort where it's not just an illness. There are weird things blooming in the name of this new syndrome. There are parades and marches and, and, so all kinds of symbols and rituals and the language is imposed.
• 7:12
  You have to call this this, and you can't say that. And then you see the, the, very Marxist tradition of, of, expunging anybody who said one word against the party line. So as a prepared mind, having been through an essentially soft Marxist society, Sweden and the late seventies, I reacted to that. So did many of my colleagues who didn't have any of that lens on. They, they, they were offended either as scientists, as academics.
• 7:48
  It was, it was very difficult to say why some people joined the dissent opposition. And they included the top scientists in every discipline around the world. The very top, the very, the ones who really, you could call, you know, pure thoroughbred scientists. And by that, I mean, incorruptible scientists. To to the last man and woman, they signed every every petition, became signatories that they didn't want their names on this debacle catastrophe, Bob Gallo's thesis that HIV was the cause of AIDS, which was never, never proven.
• 8:30
  There was no attempt at proof. It was just launched full like COVID, same thing. You read about it, it's fully formed in the media. That's where it gets born, in mass media. I don't know if I answered your question.
• 8:45
  Seth Holehouse: No, it's very helpful because it really helps us connect to where we are now. And, you know, one thing that you mentioned, you know, about being almost like a druid cult or a with the rituals, that's the same thing that I see too. And I've, you know, studied, not like as a practitioner, but I've studied, you know, Satanism and the occult and, you know, to understand, to learn about that, to see, okay, you know, because I believe that it has a very heavy influence in our society. And nowadays, you turn on the Super Bowl halftime show, or you turn on the, you know, the Grammys or these music awards, and you can see it. This is it's it's satanic rituals that are being, you know, kind of really put forth to the public.
• 9:26
  It's no longer hidden anymore. And I believe that, you know, that communism I I refer to communism as Satan's own political branch. Like, I really look at it as just the political version of Satanism that, you know, is anti God. It's, you know, it claims to be atheist, but actually, I I think that there's actually a hatred of God. You know, Marx himself hated God and vowed to destroy God.
• 9:47
  Absolutely. So he wasn't you couldn't call him an atheist. He actually is, I think, really is more of a Satanist. And if you go into his writings, and, you know, he pledged his soul to Satan.
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: I'm you've read Marked and Satan by by Wormbrand. Right?
• 10:00
  Seth Holehouse: No, actually, I haven't read it yet. I bought it this I bought it a couple months ago. It's on the bookshelf to read because I really want to. Yeah.
• 10:07
  Robert Kiyosaki: But if you look
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: at yeah.
• 10:10
  Seth Holehouse: So if you look at how all this fits together, then you look at, you know, and I wanna really kinda get your perspective on some of the different psychological operations and, you know, kind of occult driven mentalities of AIDS and how that was laying the foundation for now what we've seen with COVID. Because, like what I'm seeing with it is the mask wearing, the the virtue signaling, the the like you mentioned, the coin, the phrases, right? That's an important thing in, you know, the occult way or satanism is it's the incantation, Right? It's saying certain words over and over again because those words have to take on meaning. Right?
• 10:48
  So safe and effective, anti vaxxer. They they establish all these things, and it feels like, oh, it's propaganda. I think it's much deeper than just being propaganda. It's I think that these are, you know, really kind of rooted in some very dark ritualistic behavior to try to take control of our humankind. And so for from your perspective, what are some of those aspects you saw emerging in AIDS that then helped you recognize what was happening with COVID?
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the way you said that was very, very crystal clear. I've never heard anybody say it quite like that. And you made me realize that there's so sometimes I, I observe things and I think, it can't be, it can't be, but, but yes, it is. It is. And, and, and the, okay.
• 11:35
  So you're quite right. When you said what you just said about the power of the ritual, what happens in the ritual is the, so the individual is abjected and dissolved and removed, Right? And in occult rituals for what I have read and understand about them, it's like there's an entering of a kind of trance state. So you're right. And that was omnipresent in AIDS that it felt like one was surrounded by people in deep trance and they got people to even, you know, people who were never going to get the disease still had to sort of trans out and join all kinds of marches and pageants things to kind of pay homage to this thing that had become so much larger than a disease.
• 12:37
  And you didn't see any of this in like emphysema or diabetes, right? It wasn't just a biological illness. It grew so quickly into something so much larger that I find it difficult to characterize what it is. You could say a religion, but that wouldn't quite get at it. But but it's, some kind of it's like got negative mysticism in it, and it's got totalitarian, violence in it, not in the traditional sense of shotguns and gulags, but in the sense of anybody who who dares, you are commanded to conform to it, to to its its threats, its terror, its guilt trips, its accusations at all times.
• 13:29
  And if you don't, you, by the revolutionary guard, will be declared an on person, a non person, and you will be cast out of society. And these things happened. They did happen blood bloodlessly, but they happened in exactly lock in lockstep with what we've read from totalitarian communist societies. And then there's aspects from the other side that you could call Nazi esque also with all the eugenics, with all the, you know, the, the, the creepy, the creepy science, I'll call it the, like the, first of all, just the, the science, the, the idea of, okay, to keep it very basic, the idea that anything you do in the name of state science, matter how you torture your victim and the victims were often children and orphans, and they really, they got such a cover that they haven't had since I don't know when to, to carry out these ghoulish experiments, as I say, including on children, children in, in, Catholic foster organizations up, up in the Bronx. That was a huge and really shocking story that a journalist named Liam Sheff broke, which maybe you've heard about.
• 14:52
  And it's that it's absolutely true. I did some secondary reporting on it.
• 14:55
  Seth Holehouse: And that was during the AIDS kind of epidemic, right, where they're they're doing testing on these young children. A lot of those children died. Right? I mean, it it was because I remember
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: testing. They they were experimenting yeah. They were experimenting on them with with with very toxic drugs in different combinations.
• 15:16
  Seth Holehouse: Alright, folks. I've got a quick message for you. I have one simple question. If today you could no longer go purchase more food for your family, with the food stores that you have in your home, how long would you be able to feed your family? Would it be a week, three weeks, a month, two months, a year?
• 15:36
  This is a really important question folks that we have to be very realistic about because the elites are proactively trying to put us into a state of food crisis and a state of famine. I'm sure you've seen all of the different food processing plants and farms that are blowing up. You've got cattle dying by the tens of thousands. They're proactively trying to collapse our food system because they know if they can control our food, they can control us. And so one of the best ways to be outside of their control is to be able to have our own stores of food and to be able to produce our own food.
• 16:09
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• 16:25
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• 16:45
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• 17:12
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• 17:38
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• 17:59
  Speaker 2: And the reason they had essentially to themselves and to the outside world license to do this is because they claimed that these children had tested positive for HIV on an antibody test, whether they had or hadn't healthy children, right? So this is what we were, we were fighting and fighting and fighting. And it starts with that, that occult test, which if you open the test insert for any HIV test, it says in the fine print, this test cannot test for the presence or absence of HIV. So at all times, everybody's being roped into a strange woke religious occult spell culture where, you know, you say, look at that. And it doesn't put an end to the thing that you're pointing out.
• 18:50
  It only grows worse and worse and worse. And, and the problems are on you, not on them because they've, they've already gripped the minds of the masses somehow with this weird spell casting that they do around. And so everything everybody knows about medicine, public health, epidemiology, spread contagion, it all goes out the window when they And so COVID was in between AIDS and COVID, and Tony Fauci starts at his position in 1984. So AIDS was his sort of masterpiece. COVID was his finale.
• 19:30
  And in between, there were a bunch that didn't quite get off the ground. I'm really happy to see that so many people are able the the spell has broken largely now. People understand just because Tony Fauci and the mass media say there's a novel virus of zoonotic origin and you and everyone's gonna die and you have to take such and such tests and such and such shots that it ain't necessarily so. And we didn't have that before. We didn't have any critique of Fauci.
• 20:10
  It was just unheard of. Nobody would even think about thinking anything sinister about this whole apparatus. They were just seen as the AIDS research establishment fighting tirelessly to save lives. That's how effective they were in their brainwashing.
• 20:30
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. They they always it's it's the, the wolf in sheep's clothing. Right? Like the logo of the Fabian society. And so with Fauci, you know, because when I when I look at him and when I watch him and I watch his body language and his speech patterns and the words that he uses, I see someone that has mastered something entirely different than science.
• 20:55
  This is someone that has, like, what I really believe mastered his role as the orchestrator of this, of the the grand, you know, wizard, the the the spell caster that that's at the center of so much of what we've seen. I still believe that he's really a front person. You know, I think he's not the person that's calling all the shots. I think that he's a tool that's being used in kind of pushing us towards this global virus communism. So what what is your kind of perception of Fauci and his role in AIDS and how that's carried into what he's, you know, what he's done with COVID and pushing the vaccines and everything like that.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad you said that because you've just hit upon one of my most obsessive thoughts and subjects, namely how these people, let's start with Fauci, speak in a way that is very weird and isn't speech as we use it and as we know it connected to meaning? It doesn't follow a typical arc of speech. It's and whether they practice it or they learned it somewhere, I don't know. You probably know more about this than I do, but I also have watched specifically Fauci with amazement and despair at how he speaks and what's in his speech patterns. I used the word fractal once.
• 22:27
  I'm not sure if that's exactly the right word, but I said he has fractal speech patterns. But what I meant by that word was that he, so he's doing one of his endless interviews. He's asked a question, you know, Doctor. Pauci, what can we expect from COVID? And he answers, he starts with a generic answer.
• 22:47
  And first of all, the omnipresent theme is we can't really know. Right? So it's like simultaneously, we know when we're imposing terror and lockdown and everything else, yet we can't really know which kind of which reinforces his own endless power and the need for him to stay at the helm because he's he's sort of like the sphinx or the oracle or the and despite the fact that he's always saying he doesn't know, he's seen as all knowing. Okay. But the fractal part is he starts in one place, he goes to the other side, and then he kinda comes back in the middle, sort of cuts a deal with himself with whatever he's saying and ends with a bouquet of, well, Sally, we don't really know.
• 23:42
  We can't really know. And that and they just get euphoric. Oh, thank you, doctor Fauci. Because so so all all of what I just said go that's like a classic Fauci interview. He never answers a question.
• 23:55
  He never predicts anything accurately. It's just a vague it's like a spray of, it's all bad. It's probably going to get worse, but we don't yet know, you know, which makes him sound really like responsible daddy. We don't yet know. And we and always, always when they Carrie Mullis, the inventor of PCR, who I interviewed several times, he he, he once said the mist, the mystery of that damn virus referring to HIV comes from the $2,000,000,000 a year they invest in it, you know, so in other words, like mystery goes, mystery goes hand in hand with, or the we don't know ism goes hand in hand with the money trough that we that that supposedly these novel pathogens are so mysterious and the way they speak about them is as though they are speaking of negative deities or or, you know, demonic idols.
• 25:01
  So you and I see it very similarly. This kind of stuff from my scientific friends probably makes them a little uncomfortable because this is not a hard science to talk about this stuff. And it's very hard to prove, but you sense it and you feel it in the presence of I don't and I don't wanna either pick on Fauci too much or draw a circle just around him because it's it's the entire global totalitarian industry of woke. They all use the same language. All of them don't sound like people.
• 25:44
  They they speak in tones of grave, all knowing alarmism. Whatever it is they are addressing, you can be sure it's always getting worse, which is supposed to reinforce as though they are our captors that we depend upon them to save us from that which is growing worse, for which they need more money, for which they must take whatever measures are necessary. It's like grooming meets gaslighting meets brainwashing meets what else, spellcast.
• 26:23
  Seth Holehouse: Possession spell it's witchcraft. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's you're you're right, though, because I see the same thing when I watch some of the politicians or some of the news anchors. Like, you know, watching Anderson Cooper or Don Lemon or just seeing how they act.
• 26:41
  You know, I've studied a lot in, know, going back into Operation Mockingbird and the CIA, MK Ultra, you know, a lot of the different brainwashing programs, which were, you know, really been around for quite some time. And but it's interesting thinking about the way that fear has been used. Because it's almost like to me, it reminds me and I'm not like a religious historian or anything of that matter. But I know that there have been certain times when the the church has seized control through its power. Only our priests, you know, are can interpret the Bible.
• 27:16
  Only our priests can read the Bible. So it's not gonna be in your language. It's gonna be only in in Latin. Right? So you don't have access to it.
• 27:22
  And what that does is it kind of gives them this this all power. And so we have science as an example. It's something that, you know, well, you know, science you can't question science, and science becomes a religion. And I think that's really what it is is that they've it's almost like communism as a political ideology, you know, who who I think, communism really, I think, is just a version of satanic control of the masses. Right?
• 27:50
  It's kind of putting a name and a structure to it, right, that creates a hierarchy and, you know, but then that's almost like the political theology, political thing, but then the theology, the the religion of it is they've created the religion of scientism. Right? Where they've they've they've the cult of science where you worship the scientists. Right? Like, and even like the the deification of Fauci, where they've had him on like the prayer candles and these things where they they really have kind of put him up to be a god.
• 28:22
  And so it's this creation of this this worship of science, but it's not just the worship of science. It's actually, they've replaced God with science. Whereas, you know, traditionally, you you look at it and say, well, okay, I know that there's bad things in this world, and I hope that God can protect me. So I pray to God, say, dear Lord, please protect my family, protect my daughter, etcetera. They've replaced that relationship with science.
• 28:48
  Right? Where people have become so fearful through a lot of their brainwashing and propaganda and spellcasting and everything that they feel they they they fear death so much, which is that's whole different discussion looking at the fear of death in our culture. It's like, we have an unnaturally like an unhealthy fear of death. It's like, I'll do anything possible to avoid dying. Right?
• 29:12
  So they they've coupled that all together, and they've gotten humans into a place, the ones that have been susceptible to it, where they're saying, look, I I will do anything that Fauci says because he's my protector. And the enemy, similar to a religious enemy, which is just, you know, the enemy is the devil. It's the demons. You can't see them. You know they're there.
• 29:31
  The virus is the same. So people no longer fear Satan and want God's protection. They fear the virus, which is also invisible, unless you're really looking, and you can see it for what it really is. And then they've created this cult to say, okay, well, science is going to protect me. I mean, I'm kind of discovering this as well in this conversation, piecing it all together, but it's it's it's it's not it makes perfect sense.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: And so in that way they are inducing and including Christians, many Christians, including many people of faith, they are inducing people to serve Satan essentially by this negative worship through fear exactly as you just described. And, you know, I was thinking there's a there's a passage in the bible. I don't know. Well, I I remember it very well, but I don't know where where it is. Maybe you will know.
• 30:28
  But it's, and it's short. It is, it is this. Make and I'm paraphrasing. Right? But make your yes a real yes, your no a real no.
• 30:38
  Everything else is from the evil one. And I think of that when I hear Fauci that he can never say yes or no. This is, you know, this is going to happen. This isn't going to happen. I watched from, I watched throughout when COVID terror was rising, 2020 especially, I watched in Swedish the press conferences held by the, I think, very remarkable and heroic Anders Teignel, who was quite by contrast always, always referencing very specific data, pieces of data.
• 31:16
  For example, how many hospital beds were filled in all of Sweden. That was an exact number. Right? And if the hospital they wanted to make sure that the hospitals were able to handle the burden of COVID. So Sweden never did lockdowns, never masked any children, never and that's a little bit surprising considering their conformist culture, but they're they're fascinating black swan exception to all of this.
• 31:46
  So anything where where there's something measurable, see Fauci and all his they don't, they don't like anything measurable. They don't like anything tangible. You may recall in the beginning, Donald Trump, before he was swept up in whatever he was swept up in, but he was saying, but people have recovered. He was counting them, 11 people got out of the hospital and recovered. And you notice Fauci never says anything is getting better except as a tight, he'll release, you know, the strangling rope just ever so slightly a little bit only to pull it back again.
• 32:25
  And you know, where these people come from and how they, I've known them for a long time. I've been around them for a long time because I started reporting on AIDS in the late eighties. And I had to go to these international AIDS conferences around the world. And it was part of my job for spin magazine. And I used to just look at them and listen to them and they were up there with their mumbo jumbo.
• 32:51
  I just thought, who are you people? And what are you talking about? You're not talking about solving an illness in human bodies. They were, it was so infused with woke before it had a name. Political correctness was barely even a phrase back then.
• 33:11
  But I just remember hearing them speak to pious mass beliefs around all this stuff. Right? Around all the AIDS. Every conference had a theme. It was like building bridges and all this stuff, you know, that had nothing to do with, and it was always in a gigantic kind of dome like mega structure and all these people milling around.
• 33:41
  And I felt like being in like an insane cult, a big cult full of crazy people. And I just, all those years I thought, am I crazy or are they crazy? Because I have no idea what these people are talking about ever. Who questioned in places like that HIV as the cause of AIDS or even as the single cause of AIDS would literally, and I saw it, you know, be physically violently ejected from the building. Their materials set fire too.
• 34:15
  I saw that what would happen to people who countered this. So it's an, I'd say, and this is not in my book, but it, I, I do hope to write a book just about this, perhaps my next book about what, how they did it, how they achieved this landscape of total conformity. This the many incredible scientists that they destroyed, defunded, mocked, demoralized, drove to suicide, journalists, academics, HIV positive people, the these incredible pogroms against especially women and their children and, causing women to have abortions if they tested positive for HIV. It was very elaborate. It wasn't just a strange chapter that had something to do with the gay disease.
• 35:10
  It's like where they built the whole apparatus in my opinion.
• 35:14
  Seth Holehouse: And you know, day kind of digging into it and looking at it's like, well, where is the end result in this? It's kind of like, you know, where does it go? Right? Because and that's that's one of the questions that I you kind of go to is because let's just say that you're you're just, you know, for a of people, think that COVID was their wake up call. Right?
• 35:34
  It's like COVID hits, all of their world changes. And it's like, okay, there's something really off about this. And then they start to see, maybe they're hesitant, they don't get the vaccine. And then they later see that, okay, well, so Pfizer knew it was causing death and and, you know, miscarriages and insanely high rates, everything, and they're piecing it all together. It's like, okay, well, maybe then it's like, okay, was it about money?
• 35:58
  Like, what's like, what's behind it? Like, what's the motive? Right? If you're looking at a murder, there's a murder, there's a crime committed, the question is, what was the motive? Right?
• 36:07
  And so if we're taking a step back and looking at AIDS leading into COVID, leading into where we are now and looking at the motive, this is where I think that the article that you wrote, which I'll pull up again here, in your article of, you know, what do I mean by virus communism? Right? This is, I think, this is really the critical point in this. And so you start, you know, here by saying, I spent over three decades alongside hundreds of others worldwide, thousands in fact, in a war against the repressive nature of single deadly virus theory, in our case HIV. It displaced barbed wire, a Berlin Wall, gulags, and all forms of totalitarianism and replaced them all in one fell swoop with an interior prison.
• 36:52
  Revolutionary woke brand new and and wholly uncharted and unproven Lisenkowitz? How do
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I pronounce that word? Lysenkoism.
• 37:03
  Seth Holehouse: Lysenkoism. Okay. Science now jailed people by way of an antibody test that stopped them from living or being free to live. Free to love, procreate, aspire, breastfeed, or live without a ticking clock of doom allegedly in their blood. And so it's very and kind of importantly, it just it's important how you're framing this because, you know, by even saying that we are really kind of identifying that, you know, well, the virus is communism.
• 37:33
  Like that's what this is. It's, you know, in the past, like, you you mentioning the gulags. And, like, I've been watching recently, been going back and watching old documentaries about, you know, the the you know, Stalin's gulags and what's happening in, you know, communist China and the cannibalism and just understanding the evils of communism, which it's it's like it's shocking me again to my core. I I think that what we're experiencing now is that. Again, but you're like, the prison though is something inside of us.
• 38:04
  It's this fear. So can extrapolate? I mean, where do you think this is going?
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What's coming to my mind is when it's so the virus, we're putting that in quotes. Right? It is it is the the the not bogeyman, what shall we call it? The the the proxy the proxy enemy.
• 38:34
  The battle against which necessitates anything anything necessary to combat that. Anything. One pro one that that's very much a classic communist revolutionary, or call it Maoist, or call it, right, structure of of morality and thought. That you cannot stand up against the fight against this thing because the fight against this thing must have everything it must have. We must feed the revolution, the battle, the fight must stop at nothing.
• 39:12
  And I wonder if those who were initially with it, with let's say the Bolshevik revolution, maybe they were true believers because they believed, well, we must, if we displace the virus with whatever they were told, this must happen. You know, the czar has to be killed. Yes. His whole family has to be killed. And then this has to happen.
• 39:32
  And that has and people that the the primary spell is these things must happen. What's the matter with you? This has to happen or dot dot dot mankind will never be saved for free. Right? So it's precisely the same trick applied.
• 39:52
  I did, it took me decades to see it, to really see it. Ah, they really are using virus and public health as as that revolutionary ploy or trick or trigger catalyst for the revolution, which have so meticulously planned over so many decades. And it becomes, it's like an algorithm. If this, then that, if this, then that. So when COVID hit, well, some, you know, outcomes, this madness that it's, it's in the air, it's flying around the air, it's airborne, it can transmit from, except in Sweden, from healthy people.
• 40:42
  It doesn't, you don't have to be symptomatic. I mean, these are wild claims that you interviewed Tom Cowan, so you know very well, mild, there's no precedent. So right there, that's a symptom of a revolutionary illness. Right? There's no precedent.
• 40:58
  It wasn't true yesterday, but it's true today. All of a sudden we have to accept all this or you're the one getting in the way of that, which must be the this inevitable industrial, what's the word I'm looking for? Determinism. It's like deterministic. And in fact, that brings me to, I know we're just about out of time or maybe completely out of time, but I'll be quick.
• 41:26
  What you mentioned about the this where they've displaced God with the worship of science. That that isn't just your imagination. That actually happened as an actual movement at the around the same time as the Bolshevik revolution breaks out. And it is called the machine model of biology. And there was a very concerted cultural invasion of the sciences to kick God out of biology.
• 41:56
  And I did a, probably for me, my most important interview with a man who spent his life, a geneticist who had fought and lectured around the world against what he called genetic determinism. His name was Doctor. Richard Stroman. And he taught me, and this was around the year, this was a good twenty years ago. So even though I didn't know what I know today, a major piece in my thinking where I understood, we're not imagining it.
• 42:27
  They really are. There is a concerted attack that science is displacing God. And he said their enemy was the miracle. They didn't want any miracle. They're jealous of God and the miracle in life, and they were going to be God and you're a machine and we can deconstruct you, take you apart and put you back together.
• 42:48
  You're just, if you have a broken part, it's a genetic broken, but we take it out and we replace it. We fix it with a fixed part because we are the tinkerers. We are the gods. So I guess you could say it's driven by some bizarre kind of God envy and God, God hatred as Marx had, as you said, right? But in the end, this, and he said it at the time, he was very concerned about where this would lead and the darkness that this would lead to.
• 43:22
  And I remember being just extremely worked up about this interview and I sent it everywhere and I wanted everybody to read it. Now I'll send it to you. Point being, Where We Are came out of, it came out of movements that coincide with movements that people do know about. They do know about the industrial revolution and they know about the Bolshevik and everything, but but they don't know what was happening in biology at the very at the same time, which was exactly the same ethos was infiltrating and taking over biology, which is the study of life, right? So life itself, and of course that would happen.
• 44:06
  Of course they would want to finally do a final grab at the quintessence of what it means to be alive, right, to breathe. And in Fauci's America, you can't talk about anything pertaining to how to stay healthy other than get the virus, kill the virus, detect the virus, prevent against the virus. So they become psychotic like the communist did. Everything is kill the virus. So so this is also war mentality transposed onto biology.
• 44:42
  So it's like kill the enemy, kill the enemy, kill, kill, kill, which has nothing to do with how nature works. Nature is all cooperation and, and, and symbiosis and, and, and life figuring out how life can continue to be life. So it's life serving life. And these virus hunter guys come in and they just tell everybody, no, there's an enemy, there's suddenly a virus. And it jumped from, you know, it's always far away and some zoonotic origin, nobody can possibly contest or, and they can't prove it and they never have to prove it.
• 45:21
  That's part of their thing. They don't have to prove anything. And it just goes round and round like that because the whole basis of it is rooted in just like totalitarian, you know, traumatizing narcissism.
• 45:36
  Seth Holehouse: It is. And actually, it's interesting because you finished your article I showed, I'll pull it up again for folks. I'm gonna read this, but you finished it with a quote from 1984. Because you know, ask, okay, what is the end goal of this? And that's the the question.
• 45:52
  And this I think summarizes it very well. So I'll read this for the folks, and I'll make sure it's up on screen. Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this, the party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others.
• 46:08
  We are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means, you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past and that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives.
• 46:31
  They pretended perhaps they even believed that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means. It is an end.
• 46:51
  One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution. One makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.
• 47:07
  Now you begin to understand me. And what just prophetic and incredible words to read, especially this day and age. But I think that, you know, kind of in summary and in finishing this, how I've understood and looked at this is that their power is really derived from their spells. And that it's their spells that that kind of put a a shield over us that make people blind to what they're really doing. And that's how they control us.
• 47:36
  But actually, by removing that spell, we remove their power. And I think that's really the the key. And I think that's what gives me hope is that I'm seeing that so many people are removing the spells. They're they're casting off the spells. And there's this revival of just faith in God that's really emerging again in society.
• 47:57
  And that gives me hope for the future of humanity.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Me too. I'm glad you said that because I can get a little bit dark and heavy.
• 48:06
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, me too.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: It's, it's the best of times and the worst of times. Really is. There's a, there's a genuinely a lot to be hopeful for. And it's like light lights going up in people's minds every day, another person wakes up because they were so clumsy and they overreached so badly with this. And, there's just so many thousands of people around the world exposing them.
• 48:34
  I can barely keep up with, with the AIDS thing. We were, we were a pretty small tribe. And now it's like, you know, say a plumber comes over and you just get to chat chatting and he's fully, fully briefed on the whole thing and knows everything and, you know, won't work on a house where they've been quadruple injected. They don't want him to work in that house and he just turns around and walks away. You know, so people are no, I no longer hear people saying, Oh, I could lose work this or that could happen.
• 49:06
  I'm not hearing that anymore. I'm hearing people like they just, just walk away, want nothing to do with it. You know, we're going to create, we have to create our parallel society.
• 49:18
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Whatever that looks like.
• 49:20
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. Well, before we sign off, just want to bring up again your your book, which I encourage folks to check out, Serious An Uncensored History of AIDS. And Celia, thank you. It's been a pleasure talking. I feel like it went by so fast, so we'll have to do this again.
• 49:37
  But it's really quite enjoyable to speak with you. And I look forward to having you back on again.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Seth. Likewise, I'm delighted to come back anytime.
• 49:47
  Seth Holehouse: Wonderful. Alright, folks. I hope that you enjoyed that interview. I've now got a very special and urgent economic update with Doctor. Kirk Kelly.
• 49:57
  Some pretty significant things are happening in the banking industry. We just experienced the second largest bank in American history to fail. And it failed. FDIC came in, and lo and behold, JPMorgan comes in and scoops it up. So we're seeing a consolidation of the banks.
• 50:15
  But this is very significant. And they're telling us that this is the end. But I think that it's just the beginning. So enjoy this interview with Doctor. Kirk Elliott.
• 50:26
  So Kirk, it's a pleasure to have you back on. It seems like every week within the financial and banking industry, there's something crazy happening for us to talk about. So at least it's exciting, I guess you could say.
• 50:42
  Todd Callender: Well, there's never a dull moment. That's for sure. I mean and and this weekend when when First Republic went into FDIC receivership, I mean, this to me, it's like everyone's saying, is this gonna happen? When is this gonna happen? It's like, dude, it's gonna happen here pretty soon.
• 50:58
  Even last Friday, I was doing some shows with some different, you know, influencers and say, First Republic is going to go into FDIC receivership. There's no doubt in my mind. I just didn't think it was going to be two days later. Right. Which is what happened on Sunday.
• 51:17
  But the aftermath of that is is huge, Seth. It's just massive because this is way bigger than Silicon Valley Bank. This is way bigger than Signature Bank. I mean, you're getting not to the point of like Credit Suisse size in Europe, you know, that UBS had to buy out. But we're talking about the fourteenth largest bank in America, Second largest bank failure in the history of our country.
• 51:45
  Right. And it just sort of happened. Right. It didn't just sort of happen. You know, these things don't just ever sort of happen.
• 51:53
  It's been going on for decades. Right. When when you look at the debt of of America, when you look at the Federal Reserve, when you look at their policies, they've been they've been hiding things intensely, like purposely hiding things since about 02/2009, you know, during that crisis when you had the Dodd Frank bill and all that other stuff that came out. And and but even even more so since February, when you had the tech stock bubble and you had 09/11, you had the Patriot Act, all those things came in. What did they start doing to stimulate the economy?
• 52:33
  It was it was those two things in particular where they decided, you know what? We can just print up money and a ton of it, and we can lower interest rates and have credit artificially low to stimulate people borrowing and to stimulate the economy and make the federal, you know, the not the Federal Reserve, but make the real estate market, you know, a function of Federal Reserve policy completely. Right. Because the real estate market mushroomed because of these artificially low rates, which if you look back over time, you know, historically, the average mortgage is about 7%. Well, we're just actually approaching the average now and people are freaking out and thinking these interest rates are way too high.
• 53:22
  It's like, no, we're just actually not even there yet. We're still a few percentage points away, but we're approaching the historical average. See, when you've got the prime rate in the upper fours like where it is right now and it should be in the sevens, We're still not even close to the average, but we're getting there. Right. But we're so used to these these low, low interest rates, artificially low interest rates that they've made on purpose to try to stimulate the economy that anything that's not real seems like phony, when really the stuff that we consider phony is just the norm.
• 53:58
  Right? So it's like this is the new normal that we're going into. And I would want to just tell people, it's like this era of almost free money, cheap credit, it's over. I don't think we're ever going to see it again. I really don't think we're ever going to see that again because we saw what that did with those imbalances, these boom and bust cycles due to an economy.
• 54:22
  It devastates them. And I think policymakers are scratching their head wishing that they would have never done that. Because now, you know, the old adage, the bigger they are, the harder they fall, really is coming true right now. And this is going to be an ugly fall. It's going to be an ugly downfall and collapse of something that we think is normal.
• 54:47
  I mean, if you've got if you've had a kid who graduated from college in the early 2000s to mid 2000s, they've known nothing else other than ultra cheap credit. Well, how old are those kids now? Right? They're in their thirties and their forties. Right?
• 55:05
  It's like they've known nothing other than artificially low interest rates. And to them, that's life and that's reality. But that's not the reality for the rest of time. Since the beginning of time, that's never been the reality. And so when that bubble bursts and you come to the realization, it's like, I can't spend like a drunken sailor and expect that the economy is going to still keep going.
• 55:32
  Debt has a cost, right? We've just been used to it not having that much of a cost. But now that interest rates are coming and are not even close to their average, but going to that point, and they will. It's like people are saying, I can't afford to live. I'm living hand to mouth right now.
• 55:50
  Well, shame on America for living hand to mouth with all this debt when we've gotten so used to the lowest interest rates in the history of America, Seth, that that's what people just got used to. And you know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of the vision that Joseph had in the Old Testament of the seven fat cows and the seven lean ones. It's like store up during these seven years of plenty, you know, keep. When you have excesses, you should store up because there always will be seven years of famine that follow or seven lean years or market corrections, however you want to put it in today's terms.
• 56:31
  But people didn't do that. And so now it's time to face the music. And this is a problem because facing the music, it wasn't just individuals that did this. It was banks. It was companies.
• 56:44
  It was countries that that overspent, that went into debt up to their eyeballs and took advantage of those cheap artificially low rates. But now we are coming to that point, that critical mass point where it's kind of over, it's just over at this point.
• 57:02
  Seth Holehouse: And what's crazy is a few things to touch on there. One is I remember, you know, my mom telling me, oh, yeah, when we bought a house in the eighties, I think they're paying like 15% or it was insanely high rate on the house. It's like, oh my gosh, I got you know, we're locked in at around 3%. We bought a couple of years ago. I feel like it's just free money.
• 57:25
  It's like, know, like, you know, up against inflation. It's like we're earning money somehow by not, you know, having to be paying out. We're not be holding the debt that's kind of losing value every day. But if you look at it, because as as I'm making sense this because, you know, I knew I knew nothing about finance a couple of years ago. This wasn't what I focused on.
• 57:44
  Right? But especially through, you know, our conversations and through really studying what's happening, it's it's like I'm piecing it all together. And so it's like we're almost like we're at a phase now where they printed it, they printed, they printed, and eventually it caught up, and now we're hitting inflation. And they're now, like, really having to kind of aggressively raise rates. But the banking system, so many of these banks are holding assets that are affected by those rates going up, and that's what's triggering these collapse.
• 58:12
  And then we also have people just losing faith in the in the banks. Right? Which I think that since Silicon Valley Bank, that First Republic lost a hundred billion dollars in deposits. I mean, that's a massive bank run. But what's also crazy, though, is that, you know, as you and I talked about, it was the concern that, well, is part of this overall plan just to have the small to medium sized banks fail so that way they get they get bought up by the big banks.
• 58:42
  If you look at what happened with First Republic, it's like, well, okay, here comes in JPMorgan. And so and I'm gonna pull an article, have few articles to kind of say, but so JPMorgan recently made some sorry. Jamie Dimon, right, CEO of JPMorgan made some statements. This is like this is crazy. So he's coming out saying that after the failure of the second largest bank in our nation, which is coming on the back of the failures of a couple other banks that were still significantly large banks in America, He's now coming out and saying that, oh, the system is very, very sound.
• 59:17
  Like, we're we're good now. It's like he's lying through his teeth. And he gonna come in here and the FTC FDIC paid all kinds of money to them that, you know, they're gonna come in and scoop up all this and just kind of kind of just feeding the monster of the giant banking system. But, I mean, this is crazy that he's saying this. And so, again, this is also what's you know, I'll read this.
• 59:40
  He says, finally, the two biggest to fail banks CEO warned, we're clearly going to see some reduction in bank lending, implying that JPMorgan will be doing, quote, God's work for the Fed by contracting credit without the need for rank height, for rate heights. So, I mean, this is just kinda crazy, but then they say this is what's also interesting. Diamond's closing comments were the most prophetic stating that they, quote, support community banks and that banks will consolidate. Oh, I mean, they support community banks, yet they're like by buying them when they fail? I mean, it's just this is just nuts.
• 1:00:23
  And, like, everyone all the experts are saying that the banking system is fine. Don't worry about it. But what I'm seeing is that we had SVP, we had Signature, we had First Republic. It's just like the dominoes are starting to fall. And I is this I mean, is this the last bank?
• 1:00:39
  I mean, do you think that that Diamond is telling the truth when he says that we're past the crisis now, it's all gonna stabilize as we, you know, kind of walk into a beautiful future together?
• 1:00:51
  Todd Callender: No. I I don't. So I think if you try to read through read through the lines here, it's like, are they trying to do? Right? They're they're wanting to bring in central bank digital currency.
• 1:01:04
  Right? We've talked about this incessantly for for months now. And now that it's right underneath our nose, that you've gotta have more and more crisis for people to lose faith and confidence in the current system for them to bring in something new. Right. So so I think what what Jamie Dimon is saying when he says it's coming to an end, it's like, well, a, how would he know Unless he does know something, right?
• 1:01:28
  But but imagine you trying it's like a it's like a shepherd trying to corral all the sheep, right? If you have like six or seven, it's real easy. But if you have thousands, it's like, there's the ones keep running away, and this one jumped off a cliff, and the other ones are going down drinking and some laying in the ground. I mean, they're everywhere. Right?
• 1:01:45
  So imagine trying to corral all these banks into a central bank digital currency system. It's gonna be very difficult. But if the medium banks are buying up the small ones and the big banks are buying up the mediums, maybe you only have to corral six or seven by the time it's all said and done. Right? But I think it even gets even squirrelier because last week, the the World Bank unleashed their central bank digital currency plan.
• 1:02:17
  And they actually have their own token, their their central bank digital currency token called the Unicoin. Right? And it's like, Okay, this is not the Fed. This is not the Bank of Japan. This is not the Chinese central bank.
• 1:02:31
  This is actually the World Bank. Right? So here you go. The the tip of the iceberg, the top of the pyramid in the central bank digital currency world, which is the world bank's version of central bank digital currency called the unicorn. And so what I think is gonna happen is not just are you getting consolidation in banks in America, right, as these old school banks really start to fail with their paper money and excessive loans, they're moving into this digital world.
• 1:03:01
  Ultimately, you're going to probably have a bunch of these not a bunch, but a bunch of, like, regionally traded central bank digital currencies. Maybe one for the Eurozone, maybe one for North America, maybe one for China and the BRICS nations. And then it's going to be easy to corral all of those into one end of the funnel central bank digital currency for the world being the unicorn, right, from the World Bank. So I think everything that we're seeing is a precursor of things to come, of what we're going to see with massive amounts of consolidation. You're even seeing consolidation not just in the banking world, but in political power, with the BRICS nations rising up, having all these countries come together politically to what end?
• 1:03:52
  To be the world's economic superpower, to be the world's military superpower, to be the world's political superpower. They want it all. Right? And so we did have it all. As America being the world's reserve currency, largest military in the world, who could ever defeat us, the largest economy, very much politically stable since like after World War II.
• 1:04:15
  I mean, we had it all, but now that time in the sun is ending. And in the world of finance, you can't have something that's born unless something else dies, Right? It's almost like a zero sum game. So something has to give for something else to take its place. That's what I see that we are seeing right now is the death of the banking system as we know it in America to be make room for the birth of a new one being a central bank digital currency.
• 1:04:48
  It's kind of how I see it. And and you're seeing all these parallels play out politically, militarily, geopolitically. And it's not just in the banking system. It's not.
• 1:05:00
  Seth Holehouse: Well, here's one thing I'll show. So this is because I just as you you I mentioned, I just finished interviewing John Perkins, you know, economic hitman. And this is a graph showing the countries that have USA or China as the largest trading partner. And you can see as it progresses in time, the whole world goes from being blue, which is, you know, US dominant, you know, US trading partner in two in 80 up this only goes to 02/2018. I'll play it again.
• 1:05:28
  The whole world changes to red. And this is bricks. And this is this is a graph. This is the collapse of the dollar. This is the collapse of the American empire.
• 1:05:39
  This is underpinning a lot of what we're seeing also happening in these with with the BRICS nations and the bank failures. I mean, there's a massive change. But then also going back to digital currency, I got a tweet here from Disclose TV. This is from the IMF chief who says that more than a 10 nations are developing central bank digital currencies. So this also just came out.
• 1:06:03
  So as you talked about, if something's gonna die, it needs something to replace it, and that's what we're seeing. I mean, you can see it. It's like the they they want like, I believe they want the banking system to collapse. It's part of their plan. It's also I mean, if you look at it from that perspective, then you can make sense of a lot of Joe Biden's actions or a lot of the Fed's actions.
• 1:06:26
  It's like, yeah. This is what they want to happen because they want let's say, what we talked about our last show. They want, like, what happened in Nigeria or some of these African countries where people are being forced into their, really, it's their their digital slave system. That's what it is.
• 1:06:42
  Todd Callender: Yeah. Yeah. It it is. And it's just getting to that point, and it's just absolutely, for most of the people that call me, scary. I mean, I'm I'm not even joking.
• 1:06:56
  They are so gripped and paralyzed with fear. I mean, absolutely consumed by it. And you can feel it, and you can you can hear it. I mean, it's just it's the worst feeling in the world talking to somebody who's so gripped with fear that they don't even know. It's like they're having an anxiety attack over the phone.
• 1:07:17
  And but this is this is what I hear every single day over and over and over and over again. And what try my best to do is calm those fiery nerves and say, Look, it's going to be okay, but you do need to act. You do need to go into something that's going to be counter growth to what we're seeing with all the shrinkage. There are things that can grow and grow substantially and take advantage of these and put a smile on your face. And ultimately, even though our political freedoms are eroding and our personal freedoms and our religious freedoms, our finances don't need to erode with it, right?
• 1:07:56
  And when you bring people off the cliff, so to speak, into a reality of, well, what is it, Kirk, then? What is it? Why are you so calm? It's like, well, because my finances, which is what my gifting, calling, and anointing to help people with is, they're not shrinking. In fact, they're exploding in value, right?
• 1:08:17
  Because when everything else is falling apart, that's when gold and silver rise a lot like they are right now. I mean, we're talking about currencies wanting to back themselves with gold out of complete transparency and accountability to people because they know that the way that they did it is broken. Well, whether that central bank's just saying, we're gonna back our currency with gold because that's what people wanna hear, what what does that tell us? Or whether it's real, it tells us that they've gotta do something because people do not trust the system right now, And perception is reality in the world that we're living in. This is why silver is going through the roof.
• 1:08:54
  This is why gold is going through the roof. And then you've also got that coupled with the reality that, yeah, we've got massive amounts of inflation. That's not slowing down. I mean, just the reports from last week, Seth, that came out, the financial reports, you had Case Shiller Home Pricing Index, you had number of new mortgage applications, you had number of pending home sales, you had gross domestic products. You had durable goods orders.
• 1:09:19
  All of those reports came out last week. Before the end of last week, I was saying, this is going to be a bloodbath of a week. None of these reports are going to look good. And the couple of them that might look kind of okay is because they're fudging numbers, right? Because this is not a good economy.
• 1:09:33
  And sure enough, that's what happened. None of these things look good. And then today, we get Well, that report of Charles Munger, right? Billionaire investor Warren Buffett's partner saying commercial real estate's in super huge trouble. It's not going to be a soft landing because why?
• 1:09:55
  What's the big deal with commercial real estate? Well, commercial real estate are what retailers, they're buying, they're leasing, and nobody's spending any money. So therefore, why have commercial real estate? They're just going to not get their payments as company after company after company ultimately goes out of business. So there's not going to be a soft landing.
• 1:10:17
  Everybody's pointing towards this is what we know to be the case in the future, but yet perception is we're listening to CNBC and Jim Kramer shouting from the rooftops, This is a good buy today. I think you should buy. It's like, No, don't. If fundamentally the economy is not strong, don't go into it because you're playing with fire. Right?
• 1:10:42
  If something does good right now, it's because of luck, not because of strong fundamentals. And I would never wanna base a retirement portfolio on luck.
• 1:10:51
  Seth Holehouse: And you you were saying something just came out today, and when I pulled the website up, it kinda changed that. So what what is it you're pointing to?
• 1:11:02
  Todd Callender: Oh, so so some of the some of the news that that came out today, not not just about commercial real estate, but about the the country's economic outlook in general. So there's a report that came out that said America's Sixty Eight Percent chance it's going into a recession. That's the highest I've ever seen that number ever. And these are economists that are for CNN and MSNBC and some of these horribly liberal channels, right? There's like, well, boy, Biden's economy really isn't very good, right?
• 1:11:39
  And we are moving in towards a recession. We're moving into a world where what you and I have talked about, artificial intelligence is going to replace probably 20% of all the jobs globally, right? Globally, one out of every five jobs. Well, there was a report that came out this morning that I saw on CNBC how AI could change the future of work. Well, the numbers here are actually much different.
• 1:12:15
  So Goldman Sachs laid out stark possibilities when it comes to AI in the economy, and they estimate twothree of the jobs in The US and Europe could actually be replaced by computers. Twothree of all jobs in The US and Europe. This is why the CEO of Google is basically saying, We better brace ourselves for the impact of artificial intelligence. This is why Elon Musk two weeks ago said, Hey, we got to put a pause. Let's just pause on this artificial intelligence stuff because computers are getting too smart.
• 1:12:51
  And I saw a video last week of Joe Rogan podcast, you're right, and one of the most popular podcaster in the world. All the show was fake. It was artificial intelligence, you know, taking a sampling of his voice and creating a whole show. It wasn't him, but it was the computer rendition of him, and you couldn't tell. I mean, that's how freaky it was.
• 1:13:18
  You couldn't tell. So this is the world where we're going into where people are going to lose jobs. Know, three months ago, you're
• 1:13:27
  Seth Holehouse: talking to an AI generated version of Seth Hohlhaus. Seth Hohlhaus is actually on the beach right now in Miami, and so you're talking to an AI version of me.
• 1:13:37
  Todd Callender: Well, actually, knew that because I'm the AI version of me talking to you and then the robots know each other. So but but here's the here's the creepy thing. That could actually be a true story somewhere down the Yeah. Yeah. For the real me, or the fake version of me, wouldn't want to have any gray in my beard.
• 1:13:56
  That's all. Anyways, what's creepy about that is that could be a true statement, right, a few months from now. Just not even years from now, literally a few It could be a true statement today. This is how advanced this is becoming. Where three months ago, the report was one out of every five people in the world are gonna lose their jobs.
• 1:14:20
  Now Goldman Sachs says it's two thirds of all Americans and Europeans could lose their job. Two thirds, that's much greater than one fifth, right? So this is what America is bracing itself for, which scares me because they don't view people as people at the World Economic Forum. I'm telling you, Seth, they don't. Not when their chief scientist says we're a bunch of useless eaters, they could care less.
• 1:14:46
  They could actually care less. Those aren't my words, those are theirs. Right? And so this is why, yeah, if computers are going to replace humans the world, well, they're just useless eaters, right? They've been saying this for a long time.
• 1:15:00
  No wonder you had the Georgia Guidestones. No wonder you've had this plan that they've been playing out for such a long time. And now when we're living under it, it's like, I can't believe this is here. It's like, well, the writing's been on the wall for a while. So the point is we can protect ourselves from all this nonsense.
• 1:15:16
  Right. And that's where tangible assets like gold and silver come into play. You're not a digital slave into somebody's digital world. You've got a tangible thing that's real that you can barter with, that you can use, that's that's still private. I mean, there's going to be a point in time where it's not anymore.
• 1:15:33
  There will be. I mean, I think those days are numbered and who knows how long, but we're getting to that point really quick.
• 1:15:42
  Seth Holehouse: We are. And when you mentioned that you know, people are you're talking to are fearful, it really kind of tugs at my heart a little bit because it's like thinking, you know, everyone's got a different situation. You know, some people have a trust fund or they've got a, you know, a million dollar savings. Some people are leaving living paycheck to paycheck. Right?
• 1:16:01
  And it's it's a whole spectrum of people. And, you know, one thing that I can just say through my own experience is just take tiny steps. Take whatever step that you can take. And it's not just about gold and silver. It's about everything.
• 1:16:15
  Right? So it's like, you wanna be have more self protection. Well, you can go get a really inexpensive handgun for a couple hundred dollars, pay a hundred bucks for some training for it, get some ammo. And that's it's an incremental step. You say you're worried about food security.
• 1:16:32
  Okay. Go get, you know, say 50 pounds of rice, throw it in some five gallon buckets, spend a hundred bucks if you can. You know, just to have, okay, here's a backup. Here's the emergency. Go get some bottles of water.
• 1:16:43
  I mean, that's the thing is that people can take any steps. I I get sometimes the comments people say, look, Seth, like, I can't have chickens and a big garden and a tractor like you, so I'm I'm doomed. It's like, no. No. You're not.
• 1:16:55
  Like, I was living in an apartment in Manhattan. I was in a high rise four years ago. I didn't know how to cook. I didn't know nothing about growing my own food. I knew not certainly nothing about raising chickens.
• 1:17:06
  I couldn't own a gun because I was living in New York City. And I just I made new lifestyle changes, you know, kind of incrementally. Not to mention I was in massive debt. I mean, I had I had a business, you know, all kinds of problems that were happening, and I had to kind of rebuild myself from nothing, you know, my wife and I. And so it's like we can just go step by step, take those tiny little steps, even if you're looking at precious metals.
• 1:17:30
  I know that, you know, you, like, there's other people that have a minimum. It's like, look, say you've only got a couple hundred bucks, you can start there. You know what mean? And and even if that's a big thing, it's okay. Set that aside.
• 1:17:41
  Because right now, it's like what, like, maybe only 2% of families in America actually have physical gold and silver. So even if you have 10 ounces of silver, right, $300, 2 50 dollars, even that right there puts you so far ahead. So think about reframing. I hate hearing how people are fearful. And it's also it's difficult because in my position, like, don't want to be someone that's just doom and gloom.
• 1:18:10
  And I try not to be. I try to always have a smile and expose, you know, different all sides of everything. But I also don't want to be someone like Jim Kramer or someone like, you know, that you're gonna see on, you know, Sean Hannity or whoever that just is saying, it's all gonna be okay. And, you know, don't don't worry about it. Don't become one of those prepper people.
• 1:18:29
  Like, I I wanna be really sincere in searching for the truth and trying to understand what's happening. So, anyways, I thought I'd just put that out there.
• 1:18:41
  Todd Callender: No. It's it's really good. And and, you know, the I feel the same way because when when we report the news, there's always the tendency for people to wanna kill the messenger. Right? It's like, okay.
• 1:18:52
  You're you're speaking all this bad stuff. I didn't come up with the news. Right? I mean, we're just we're just reporting what other evil people have done. Right?
• 1:19:01
  Because a lot of people always will say, well, Kirk, they're so stupid. It's like, no. They're not. I don't think that they're stupid. I just think that they're evil.
• 1:19:09
  You know, you don't have that much success in changing a global economy if you're stupid. Right? But but so I do think that it that it's evil. Well, to me, all of this stuff is is a physical manifestation of a spiritual battle that's being waged. Right?
• 1:19:23
  And we know how to win spiritual battles. Right? So this is where, okay, let's turn that darkness into light. Let's turn that fear into faith and hope. Right?
• 1:19:32
  Because we can. There are things we can do. There are solutions, which is why if we didn't talk about them, I personally, I feel like I would be remiss. That's that's my calling is to help people protect and preserve and thrive. Right?
• 1:19:46
  Well, you can't protect yourself from something if you don't know what the enemy is doing. Right? So so therefore, you have to talk about it, but there is a solution. Right? And that's where you can put a smile on your face.
• 1:19:58
  Now the what I what I tell everybody that calls and it's like, you know what? This is how the world is actually operating right now. And if you don't do anything, I would be kind of scared. I really would because you will sink with the ship, but you don't have to. You really don't have to, which is why I haven't.
• 1:20:16
  I haven't for like twenty years. This is why I do have a smile on my face because there are things that we're doing and we've helped countless tens of thousands of people all over the world do exactly this, get a smile on their face by allocating to the right place at the right time to take advantage of these horrible, sick, twisted economic trends by evil people that we're talking about and going into something that will cause you to actually not just survive but thrive. That does put a smile on my face.
• 1:20:50
  Seth Holehouse: Absolutely. And so, Kirk, I know you've got an interview directly after this, so have cut, you know, cut off now. But, you know, for folks that are watching or listening, again, biggest thing, just try not to live in a state of fear. And try to make don't make decisions out of fear either. You know, calm yourself down.
• 1:21:06
  If you want to talk to Kirk and his team, you can go to goldwithseth.com, fill out the form, or just call (720) 605-3900. Those will be in the description as well just to set up an appointment, consultation, just kind of see, explore a little bit. Kirk, thank you so much for for coming on. And there's this yeah. There's always a lot to talk about every week, but these are really important.
• 1:21:30
  Think there's a lot of people that they look forward to these economic updates with you because it affects all of us. And so I thank you for putting all the time that you are into helping to educate people about this stuff. Because for a lot of us, we're very financially and economically illiterate.
• 1:21:47
  Todd Callender: It's my pleasure, and I look forward to talking to you next week, Seth.
• 1:21:50
  Seth Holehouse: Alright. Thanks, Kurt.