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The Murders of Tammy Cooper, & Jasmine, KaSheim, & KaDiece Allen · Gone Cold - Texas True Crime

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Speaker 2: Recently, the twenty year anniversary of the brutal murders of
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Speaker 2: Tammy Cooper and her children Cadis, Kashim and Jasmine past.
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Speaker 2: Along with that came information not available to us when
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Speaker 2: we originally recorded this episode. That new information is peppered
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Speaker 2: into this somewhat rewritten and re recorded episode. This story
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Speaker 2: is touched on every few years in the Lubbock media
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Speaker 2: around the anniversary of the quadruple homicide. But the family
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Speaker 2: feels their loved ones have been forgotten and that Cadis, Kashim, Jasmine,
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Speaker 2: and Tammy deserve better, They deserve justice. We couldn't agree more.
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Speaker 1: The Gone Cold podcasts may contain violent or graphics subject matter.
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Speaker 2: Lubbock is a city in northwest Texas, just south of
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Speaker 2: the Panhandle the High Plains. City is perhaps most known
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Speaker 2: nationally for being the home of musician Buddy Holly and
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Speaker 2: the home of the nineteen fifty one Lubbock Lights phenomenon,
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Speaker 2: a supposed series of UFO sidings which produced some of
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Speaker 2: the most widely seen V shaped light pattern photographs claiming
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Speaker 2: proof of extraterrestrial visitors. The formation of Lubbock to Simplify
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Speaker 2: was the result of citizens of both the North and
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Speaker 2: South United States seeking to explore this part of the
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Speaker 2: High Plains after the Civil War caused so many to
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Speaker 2: fall on hard times. The cattle industry was beginning to boom,
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Speaker 2: and many saw the industry and the vast expanse of
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Speaker 2: the Plains as an opportunity to get themselves out of
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Speaker 2: the uncertainty that the war had left behind. While there
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Speaker 2: were difficulties taming this last frontier, it eventually worked out,
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Speaker 2: and in eighteen seventy six Lubbock County formed and the
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Speaker 2: City of Lubbock began. About fifteen years later, the city's
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Speaker 2: population stayed extremely modest for years until in nineteen oh
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Speaker 2: nine the railroad arrived. Texas Technical College was founded twelve
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Speaker 2: years later and boasted the most comprehensive education system in
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Speaker 2: the western half of the state that spiked the city's
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Speaker 2: population even more. The school is now known as Texas
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Speaker 2: Tech University. Lubbock would also become known by its nickname
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Speaker 2: hub City due to the hospital and university systems, as
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Speaker 2: well as its economic opportunities and stronghold over the surrounding
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Speaker 2: rural plains and counties in the South High Plains region.
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Speaker 2: By two thousand and four, Lubbock's population had grown to
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Speaker 2: approximately two hundred and eleven thousand. Although it was a
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Speaker 2: full fledged city, the population was comparable to a few
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Speaker 2: Dallas suburb cities at the time. Crime was never an
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Speaker 2: obscurity in Lubbock, but by two thousand and four, the
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Speaker 2: city had seen at least a ten year period of
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Speaker 2: high violent crime rates, not only high for Texas but
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Speaker 2: also for the United States, and in a decade where
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Speaker 2: many of the nation's major cities were experiencing a downward trend.
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Speaker 2: The clearance rate for violent crimes in Lubbock, including homicide
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Speaker 2: is unusually high for the state of Texas, much to
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Speaker 2: the credit of the city's police detectives, but the perpetrator
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Speaker 2: of four of Lubbock's most horrific and unfathomable slangs has
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Speaker 2: remained a mystery since it happened. It remains, in fact,
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Speaker 2: Lubbock's only active case that involves four victims.
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Speaker 3: There's three kids that never got to experience high school,
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Speaker 3: never got to experience college, never got to experience they
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Speaker 3: first crushed, they first anything. They never got to experience life.
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Speaker 3: It's not for a by no stroke of imagination edit
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Speaker 3: for a.
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Speaker 2: On Monday, October twenty fifth, two thousand and four, between
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Speaker 2: seven thirty and seven forty five am, a friend of
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Speaker 2: forty five year old Tammy Anita Cooper arrived at her
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Speaker 2: doorstep at the wind Crest Estacado apartment complex on North
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Speaker 2: Martin Luther King Boulevard in Lubbock. He was there to
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Speaker 2: pick up Tammy's children and take them to school, nine
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Speaker 2: year old twins Kashim and Cadiz and eleven year old Mahogany,
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Speaker 2: usually called by her middle name Jasmine. As he raised
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Speaker 2: his hand to knock, Tammy's friend realized that the door
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Speaker 2: was slightly ajar. He pushed it open to enter, but
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Speaker 2: froze as his eyes fixed on one of the twins
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Speaker 2: lying motionless on the floor. Blood puddled around him. Tammy's
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Speaker 2: friend quickly called police. Detective Ray Martinez was among the
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Speaker 2: first responders when he was told a family had been killed.
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Speaker 2: He expected the cause of deaths to be something like
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Speaker 2: carbon monoxide poisoning. The seasoned homicide detective was shocked by
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Speaker 2: the scene. Nothing could have prepared Martinez for the whole
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Speaker 2: he was walking into. Several other experienced investigators were also appalled.
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Speaker 2: None of them had ever seen anything like it. The
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Speaker 2: bodies of Kashim, Cadise, Jasmine, and Tammy were scattered in
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Speaker 2: multiple rooms in the four bedroom apartment, the kitchen, living room,
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Speaker 2: and one of the bedrooms. The nature of the attacks
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Speaker 2: was brutal and vicious, seemingly inhuman. Blood was everywhere, the
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Speaker 2: walls spattered and the floors soaked. Furniture was turned over
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Speaker 2: and broken, and though some of the neighbors would later
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Speaker 2: report a quiet night that night, the signs that this
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Speaker 2: struggle was anything but were everywhere. Virtually the entire apartment
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Speaker 2: was affected by a violent and intense struggle. The police
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Speaker 2: told the press that Tammy had certainly attempted to protect
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Speaker 2: her children from the violence with every of her being,
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Speaker 2: and it appeared that the children were also unyielding in
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Speaker 2: the struggle for their own lives and the life of
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Speaker 2: their mother. Detective Martinez called the homicides of Tammy Cooper
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Speaker 2: and her children a massacre, and was quoted by the
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Speaker 2: Lubbock Avalanche Journal as saying that stepping foot into the
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Speaker 2: crime scene was like walking into a nightmare. The press
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Speaker 2: never reported specific details of the cause of death of Jasmine, Cadis, Kashim,
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Speaker 2: and Tammy after the autopsies were performed. Police would only
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Speaker 2: say that the family died of multiple injuries due to
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Speaker 2: bluntfor's trauma, slashing with a sharp instrument, and stabbing with
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Speaker 2: a sharp instrument. Police believed that nothing had been taken
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Speaker 2: from the apartment, and that at least one of the
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Speaker 2: murder weapons, a knife, is thought to have come from
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Speaker 2: the Cooper home. Investigators quickly found a friend of Tammy's
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Speaker 2: who had spoken with her on the night of October
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Speaker 2: twenty fourth, the night prior to the bodies of the
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Speaker 2: family being discovered. The friend reported to police that while
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Speaker 2: she was talking to Tammy, she heard what sounded like
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Speaker 2: loud banging on the door. One of the children then answered.
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Speaker 2: The friend told police that the man who entered the
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Speaker 2: apartment had a deep voice and was clearly agitated, telling
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Speaker 2: Tammy get off the phone. We need to talk. How
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Speaker 2: did you find me? Tammy said to the man, how
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Speaker 2: did you know I was here? It was obvious she
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Speaker 2: knew the man. This interaction took place between ten fifteen
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Speaker 2: and eleven fifteen pm. It is difficult to nail down
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Speaker 2: anything more precise than that, As the police reported to
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Speaker 2: the press several conflicting times, there are many questions regarding
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Speaker 2: the call, as police purposefully limited the information they'd share publicly.
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Speaker 2: Sammy told her friend that the man's name was Butch
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Speaker 2: and that her friend wouldn't know him because he wasn't
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Speaker 2: from around here. Tammy also specified that he was black.
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Speaker 2: The friend told police that Tammy's voice did not sound
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Speaker 2: as though she expected trouble of any kind, and explained
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Speaker 2: that Tammy didn't ask her to call nine to one
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Speaker 2: one or ask for any other kind of help. Police
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Speaker 2: also report in almost every news release since that they
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Speaker 2: don't think Tammy was in fear for her life or
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Speaker 2: the life of her children. During the phone call. Some
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Speaker 2: have speculated that Tammy gave Butch his name and race
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Speaker 2: as descriptors in case something violent did occur, a more
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Speaker 2: subtle way of signaling something was wrong, but again, neither
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Speaker 2: the police nor her friend thought so. Few other details
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Speaker 2: were released. Sometime shortly after, another friend attempted to phone Tammy,
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Speaker 2: but the call went straight to voicemail. Though Tammy Cooper
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Speaker 2: was described by her mother in the press and by
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Speaker 2: her brothers to us as social and outgoing, she was
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Speaker 2: also private and kept much of her personal life to herself.
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Speaker 2: Wayne Cooper, Tammy's brother, told us that she was that
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Speaker 2: way in many aspects of her life, but she was
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Speaker 2: close and candid with her mother and siblings. Not only
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Speaker 2: did her predilection to privacy present investigators with a difficult hurdle,
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Speaker 2: but it also allowed conclusions to be made by the
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Speaker 2: press and the public, and perhaps the family, that are
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Speaker 2: groundless in their lack of evidence, but necessary to consider.
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Speaker 2: Speculation about Tammy's reserved personality has led many to wonder
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Speaker 2: if any abusive ex love interest that no one is
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Speaker 2: aware of murdered the family of four. It has also
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Speaker 2: been implied more than once by news reports that Tammy
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Speaker 2: may have been involved in criminal activity that led to
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Speaker 2: her and her children's deaths, though absolutely no evidence of
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Speaker 2: this theory exists, and Wayne told us that his beloved
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Speaker 2: sister never acted as though she had something dubious to hide. Still,
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Speaker 2: the police relentlessly questioned members of the family about this theory.
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Speaker 3: There's been rumors that supposed that she was hire somebody,
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Speaker 3: she just stole some money from somebody. I have no
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Speaker 3: idea of anything about her life after she moved up
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Speaker 3: to Love Look except for what she told me. But
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Speaker 3: like I say, there were no no, no tail tale
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Speaker 3: signs that someone was wrong. You know they this which
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Speaker 3: is is been coming up? Is they coming up? This's
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Speaker 3: been coming up? But I don't know who this guy is.
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Speaker 3: But I've never met this this butch my mom's never
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Speaker 3: even made it. My brother's never made me. So it
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Speaker 3: had to be an association that she has started before
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Speaker 3: she moved away from Dallas or after she got to
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Speaker 3: Love But either way, there was no like I say,
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Speaker 3: when she came down here, we would go out and
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Speaker 3: go to the club dance Oliver it, this, that and
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Speaker 3: the other, and she would be at peace and continue.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't no looking over her shoulder or nothing anything
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Speaker 3: to say, somebody's feeling this type of way about me,
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Speaker 3: and I'm scared for my life if I'm in first
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Speaker 3: for my life. Nothing to that efeit. So this guy
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Speaker 3: named Butch, he came up and to take the lath
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Speaker 3: and everything else. And from the longest there was a
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Speaker 3: person of interest, and they said they gonna try to fire,
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Speaker 3: and this, that and the other, but nothing happened.
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Speaker 2: Tammy's mother, Mary, also told the press that if Tammy
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Speaker 2: knew someone was seeking to cause her harm, she would
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Speaker 2: have known, as they had a close relationship.
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Speaker 3: Because she had been down here the whole summer, two
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Speaker 3: down the floor and had just went back to Love
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Speaker 3: to stay down there the whole sum with me and
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Speaker 3: my mom, just spending time with my mom and stuff,
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Speaker 3: so that she if it was anything that she was hiding,
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Speaker 3: she never let onto an to tell you that some
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Speaker 3: was wrong and that she was in trouble. Some of
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Speaker 3: that nature was it was no hints or no signs,
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Speaker 3: or it was nothing that would lead us to believe
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Speaker 3: that something was wrong with her. She was our smile
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Speaker 3: and everybody was heavy.
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Speaker 2: Whoever committed this heinous act. The family believed at first
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Speaker 2: that it was only a matter of time before they
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Speaker 2: were apprehended. A short matter of time like most of
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Speaker 2: us would expect immediately after a loved one is murdered,
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Speaker 2: and in fact Wayne was ready for it.
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Speaker 3: It has happened. I hate the worst mentality choice. Whatever
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Speaker 3: if they found them, I didn't care what Nayliff would
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Speaker 3: jews whatever. I told my mom, I'll say, there's nothing
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Speaker 3: gonna sign me from coming across the the ad best
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Speaker 3: when they get him, the court to doing something to them.
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Speaker 2: Sergeant Jim Pachall of the Lubbock Police told the press
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Speaker 2: there's a ton of evidence, but there's nothing that links
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Speaker 2: that evidence to a suspect. Both Tammy's ex husband and
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Speaker 2: the father of the children were scrutinized, but are not
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Speaker 2: thought to have been suspect, beyond the standard practice of
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Speaker 2: investigating those closest to the victim first. According to Wayne Cooper, Cadis,
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Speaker 2: Kashim and Jasmine's father was always a part of their lives.
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Speaker 2: He was supportive, nurturing, and got along well with Tammy
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Speaker 2: even after their relationship had ended. It's unlikely that she
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Speaker 2: would have asked him, how did you find me? If
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Speaker 2: he had been the one to arrive at her apartment
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Speaker 2: the night of October twenty fourth, two thousand and four.
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Speaker 2: Since he remained close to the rest of the Cooper
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Speaker 2: family and was an active father, Because the family had
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Speaker 2: only moved to Lubbock about six months earlier, and because
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Speaker 2: police were unable to find any individuals that had motive
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Speaker 2: to cause Tammy harm there, authorities said they were certain
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Speaker 2: that Dallas held the key to the mystery of the
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Speaker 2: identity of Butch, and detectives spent ample time in that
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Speaker 2: city attempting to eke out leads. Investigators working the case
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Speaker 2: in the following years, however, weren't so sure staying centered
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Speaker 2: on Dallas was the most productive idea. The Cooper's move
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Speaker 2: to Lubbock was a fresh start, of Swords, but it
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Speaker 2: was also a familiar area to Tammy, since she had
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Speaker 2: lived there at different times before. Also, though Tammy had
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Speaker 2: told her friend over the phone that the man wasn't
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Speaker 2: from around here, police were open minded to the possibility
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Speaker 2: that meant he wasn't from North Lubbock and perhaps was
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Speaker 2: from the city's west or Central, etc. Perhaps the man
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Speaker 2: was from neither Dallas nor Lubbock. Although the lead was
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Speaker 2: never expounded upon, A detective was quoted as saying that
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Speaker 2: one took them to Houston. Police weren't the only ones
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Speaker 2: seeking answers in Dallas. Both Wayne and Haskell, one of
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Speaker 2: Tammy's older brothers, continually asked about the murders of their
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Speaker 2: sister and niece and nephews, an event that happened a
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Speaker 2: few weeks after the murders. While Haskell had been asking
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Speaker 2: around at the request of police, as always had the
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Speaker 2: family theorizing a connection.
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Speaker 3: When did the taxes were heaving me and my brothers
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Speaker 3: go around at as questions? My mother was actually, this
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Speaker 3: can be no coinsion. He was down the street and
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Speaker 3: our call was the pregnant at the end of the
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Speaker 3: street and hated life. So and as he was walking,
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Speaker 3: the car turned life and speed toward him, and fire
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Speaker 3: decided him and he threw his hand up, his all
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Speaker 3: up in front of his face, and he had a
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Speaker 3: moon of oge in it all. Since two thousand and
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Speaker 3: four that came out of it all now, but we've
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Speaker 3: always thought that somebody he got too close to somebody
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Speaker 3: and they wanted to get rid of him before he
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Speaker 3: could put two or two together.
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Speaker 2: The Lubbock police apparently exhausted what few leads they had,
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Speaker 2: even one that took them to California. Though good suspects
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Speaker 2: were not necessarily forthcoming, the nature of the depraved and
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Speaker 2: merciless killings seemed to suggest the crimes were the result
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Speaker 2: of something personal. Tammy's mother and brothers knew of many
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Speaker 2: of her love interests, but knew of only one. It
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Speaker 2: had been abusive, and it was several years before when
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Speaker 2: physical violence against Tammy did surface in that relationship. The
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Speaker 2: family intervened and the relationship ended. Strangely, Though this individual
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Speaker 2: attended the funerals of Jasmine, Kashim, Cadis, and Tammy, he
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Speaker 2: stayed in the foyer of the church in which they
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Speaker 2: were held, watching only from the monitor there. On November two,
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Speaker 2: two thousand and four, at the Cornerstone Baptist Church in Dallas,
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Speaker 2: Reverend John Williams eulogized eleven year old Jasmine, nine year
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Speaker 2: olds Kashim and Cadis, and forty five year old Tammy Cooper,
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Speaker 2: before pallbearers carried each casket to its own white hearse.
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Speaker 2: Reverend Williams was the pastor of Wesley Memorial in Lubbock.
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Speaker 2: He spoke of the children of how kind, thoughtful, respectful,
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Speaker 2: and joyous they were when he saw them on Sundays
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Speaker 2: as he picked them up to attend services at his church.
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Speaker 2: They were buried in Lincoln Memorial Park in Dallas. Folks
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Speaker 2: who were at the apartment complex the day Kashim Cadiz,
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Speaker 2: Jasmine and Tammy were slain declined to speak with us
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Speaker 2: about the case, and we certainly understand why. What is
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Speaker 2: difficult to understand is the lack of witnesses. Recently, Tammy's
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Speaker 2: second oldest daughter, Waltrenet Cooper, spoke with k LBK TV's
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Speaker 2: Matt Stell. She was twenty three years old when the
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Speaker 2: murders took place. Waltrenet believes someone who lives in the
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Speaker 2: complex heard or saw something that night, because the crime
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Speaker 2: scene was so grucy, and because she believes her mother
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Speaker 2: would have fought like hell, there was no chance no
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Speaker 2: one heard anything. While speaking with Stell, she urged witnesses
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Speaker 2: to come forward. We're suffering and we just need help.
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Speaker 2: We just want to solve this and we want it
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Speaker 2: to be over. While Trenee told the newsman she believes
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Speaker 2: Tammy was killed first, since she'd never have allowed someone
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Speaker 2: to murder her children, while Trenee's older sister and Tammy's
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Speaker 2: oldest child, La Travia, also struggles with the uncertainty and
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Speaker 2: lack of justice. So many people have struggled as the
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Speaker 2: result of this monstrous act, and especially in the fall
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Speaker 2: and winter, as there are constant reminders.
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Speaker 3: It's just defining because this time of the year. Like
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Speaker 3: I say, my sister birthday was the first I cold.
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Speaker 3: She was murdered on the twenty SiO. If I told
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Speaker 3: my twin nephews birthdays were the fifth of November, they
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Speaker 3: buried him on the on a second of No remember
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Speaker 3: my niece, her birthday is Christmas Eve. So for the
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Speaker 3: longest I didn't even celebrate Christmas because I thought that
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Speaker 3: it would be celebrated on death. So I've patched my
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Speaker 3: life up and this I can. My wife, she's she's
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Speaker 3: right there beside me. She's she didn't even know about sister,
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Speaker 3: but it's like it affected her too to know this
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Speaker 3: what went on.
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Speaker 2: Tammy's mother, Mary, died never knowing what happened to Kashim, Cadiz, Jasmine,
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Speaker 2: and her daughter, all of whom she referred to as
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Speaker 2: her babies. She was never the same after their murders.
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Speaker 2: Wayne Cooper told us, and of course neither was he.
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Speaker 3: I know that this too, Mula told or my mar
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Speaker 3: do anything, because she changed. She she had two strokes
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Speaker 3: in this duration and finally a heart attack. Care of
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Speaker 3: the all ses say, is my baby with's here, it's
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Speaker 3: my baby with here, it's my baby with her. The
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Speaker 3: family dynamic it changed. It's like the majority of us
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Speaker 3: we secluded ourselves away from the rest of it is
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Speaker 3: like we don't have the bun that we had, and
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Speaker 3: it's like each one of us has a certain del
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Speaker 3: u for anger that we know it's there, We know
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Speaker 3: the reason why there is this. There's no way at
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Speaker 3: this particular point for us to find any closure because
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Speaker 3: it's they still out there, they still walking through. They
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Speaker 3: still have their lives, and they moved on with their lives,
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Speaker 3: and they took four lives that ward Thurs take. And
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Speaker 3: it's now that we lost my mom. We sit up
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Speaker 3: and talk some driveling, and we tell each other, Mama
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Speaker 3: lost the chuck of my life because my oldest sister
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Speaker 3: died six months before and them got kids. Basically, all
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Speaker 3: that pressure was through on my mom and she didn't
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Speaker 3: know how to deal with it. And we are mourning
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Speaker 3: the loss of my mom, and at the same breath
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Speaker 3: we see them more in and over, my sister and
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Speaker 3: her team, and we have no similars or clothes on anything.
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Speaker 3: So the wom is still open and our hearts and
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Speaker 3: in their minds.
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Speaker 2: His sister, his niece, and his nephews were shining lights
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Speaker 2: in his life. And without them, without justice being brought
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Speaker 2: to the perpetrator or perpetrators of their murders, he feels lost, hopeless.
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Speaker 3: I just want them to be found, faired, accountable, and
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Speaker 3: then for the rest of their lives they have to
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Speaker 3: know that they took But some of my family have.
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Speaker 3: There's three teens that never got to experience high school,
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Speaker 3: never got to experience college, never got to experience they
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Speaker 3: first crushed, they first anything. They never got the experienced life.
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Speaker 3: And it's not for by no stroke of imagination, is
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Speaker 3: it for for them to be still walking free, carrying
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Speaker 3: their lives all and our lives of stuff. They quit
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Speaker 3: saying because we can't move forward, because there's no no
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Speaker 3: anything to move forward all we should take a step,
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Speaker 3: but we were still tearing these weights on. So the
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Speaker 3: potential that we can move or that our lives that
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Speaker 3: could be is being hell big because we're still carrying
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Speaker 3: all this weight on our shoulders, not knowing who need it,
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Speaker 3: is not knowing what happened anything.
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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, on the eighteenth anniversary of the
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Speaker 2: murders of Tammy Cadiz Kashim and Jasmine, Detective Ray Martinez
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Speaker 2: said people sometimes have valuable information they assume investigators already
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Speaker 2: now folks need to come forward with it, regardless. It
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Speaker 2: could be the detail they need, preferably perhaps in the
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Speaker 2: form of a name. Martinez added that he was sure
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Speaker 2: if they had a name, if they could identify a suspect,
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Speaker 2: there was a great possibility the department could get the
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Speaker 2: case before the district attorney. Though the Lubbock Police said
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Speaker 2: they'd had evidence tested several times for DNA, it never
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Speaker 2: produced results that would identify a suspect. It's unclear if
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Speaker 2: the department has submitted evidence recently.
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Speaker 3: Nobody has attended anything at all these years. Nobody is
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Speaker 3: found anybody, and I don't see how that could be
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Speaker 3: when you find people every day. I mean, there's a science,
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Speaker 3: there's the people that vision what they do on a
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Speaker 3: daily basis, find people. They do these marble ex committees,
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Speaker 3: marble exs, and use society. After they find these sequel
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Speaker 3: they hadn't even a slap on the hand of nobody,
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Speaker 3: accustody that I know of, to point the finger to
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Speaker 3: be held accountable for this deceitful a You see it
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Speaker 3: on the news, you see these families being torn apart,
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Speaker 3: But then when it hits in your in your house,
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Speaker 3: you're close to home and your it just now, this
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Speaker 3: ain't happy. This, this this can't be. And it's like
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Speaker 3: every year, no matter what I go down, from the
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Speaker 3: end of September all the way to the first of
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Speaker 3: the year, I go into an agitated, depressed state of mind,
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Speaker 3: and it's like I'm still doing that years later. Some's
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Speaker 3: got to give, something has to come through to get
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Speaker 3: somebody some closure in this situation. Because I ran across
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Speaker 3: the one of the newspaper articles from the dead at
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Speaker 3: the funeral when my mom passed out in me and
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Speaker 3: my nephew's arms crying, and he just all brought everything
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Speaker 3: just right back. I got all they put the kids' pictures,
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Speaker 3: I got everything. I got my pictures of my sister
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Speaker 3: and It's like when I see this smile and the
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Speaker 3: light in these kids and in my sister's eyes. He
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Speaker 3: don't say nothing about I'm in trouble. You don't say
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Speaker 3: nothing about somebody's after me. It don't say nothing about
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Speaker 3: I'm in trouch for my life. None of this comes
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Speaker 3: to mind when you look at these pictures and you
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Speaker 3: think of the times that y'all don't spend together. Nothing, nothing,
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Speaker 3: nothing comes to mind. If this woman would have an
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Speaker 3: enemy to the point where they would take her life,
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Speaker 3: it's still not registering. You know why, and I don't.
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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't question God. You know he called it.
29:52
Speaker 3: He called them home, as they say, but I expected
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Speaker 3: to call them them to be called home by natural causes,
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Speaker 3: not by the hand of another man. So it's just,
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Speaker 3: it's just it's refreshing and it's painful at the same
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Speaker 3: time because to be able to get all this into
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Speaker 3: words and somebody use it for the good of trying
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Speaker 3: to help my sister and us kids up. I should
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Speaker 3: breathe easy knowing that somebody that pick care is enough
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Speaker 3: to do what others want. I prayed that it never
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Speaker 3: went to a cold case, and that subsequently seems like
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Speaker 3: what it did, because nobody except you guys has even
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Speaker 3: remotely tried to contact their family and find out anything
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Speaker 3: going on. Do we have any clues or any new
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Speaker 3: information or anything. It's like it never happened around here.
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Speaker 3: People talk to us and they say, you know, oh,
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Speaker 3: I didn't even know your sister never got a kid.
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Speaker 3: They asked about my sister, I didn't know she got killed,
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Speaker 3: or they'll say, you know, man, I sold I'm sorry,
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Speaker 3: what have until it's just the beat of the nation,
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Speaker 3: but no one knows any furtherest basically ty video No.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's like out of sight, out of mind
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Speaker 3: is done. It is done. They ain't coming basicly, ain't
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Speaker 3: nobody know say coming forward? It ain't nobody who's dead
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Speaker 3: another get on with your life.
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Speaker 2: If you have any information about the murders of Tammy
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Speaker 2: Cooper and Cadiz Kashim and Mahogany Jasmine Allen, please contact
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