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TMG: The ‘Out of Touch’ Postpartum Glow Up Video · Outspoken the Podcast

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the mums group you actually want
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  Speaker 1: to be a part of. I'm Amy Torver.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Sophie Torver. And I'm Kate Torver. And on today's show,
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  Speaker 2: former Love Islander Paige Thorne is branded out of touch
• 0:14
  Speaker 2: after sharing.
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  Speaker 1: A postpartum vlog video. Bachelor star Irina sparks a debate.
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: About toddler discipline and Elodie Paulin's four-year-old daughter spoils her
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  Speaker 2: engagement surprise. But first, Sophie, you're looking rather tired today.
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  Speaker 1: I hate to point it out.
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  Speaker 2: I had a bit of a rough one last night.
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  Speaker 2: I was on solo bedtime duties, which... I'm not used
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  Speaker 2: to because my husband usually gets Luca to bed, but
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  Speaker 2: he was having to work late.
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  Speaker 1: And it took me two hours to get Luca to sleep.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that always the way when you're on a double
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  Speaker 2: shift like that? You know, you've had them all day
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  Speaker 2: and then you've got to do bedtime and then they
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  Speaker 2: just don't want to go to sleep.
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  Speaker 1: And you're at the end of your tether.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that's annoying is I really do need to
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  Speaker 2: do the whole cuddle to cot, get him to sleep
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  Speaker 2: on his own. But I have really been enjoying having
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  Speaker 2: him fall.
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  Speaker 1: Asleep on me and then I'll put him in.
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  Speaker 2: And usually within 10 minutes out, out like a light,
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  Speaker 2: put him in, all good to go. But for some
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  Speaker 2: reason now, nighttime routine has turned into a nightmare and
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  Speaker 2: he's taking a long time. He'll be asleep on you.
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  Speaker 2: The second you lower him down, he literally starts crying.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's some separation anxiety thing, but I
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  Speaker 2: was just at my wits end last night and I'm
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  Speaker 2: there messaging you guys, firing off texts to my husband.
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  Speaker 2: I need to read some of the text messages that
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  Speaker 2: I was copying at, I think it was 10 to
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  Speaker 2: nines because they were quite stress inducing to receive. So
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  Speaker 2: I can't imagine being on the other end of it.
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  Speaker 2: One said, what a fun night. Only just got Luca
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  Speaker 2: to bed. Now I can't find the remote control. And
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  Speaker 2: then I'm like, you poor thing.
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  Speaker 1: And then you're like, yes, I was in there for
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  Speaker 1: one hour and 52 minutes.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like crying. He literally lost his shit every time.
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  Speaker 2: Tried to let him sort it out himself, but he
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  Speaker 2: cried and cried and lost his dummy.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry to complain. It's just been hellish and I have
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  Speaker 1: a splitting headache.
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  Speaker 2: It's at those moments, like. I was lying in there.
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  Speaker 2: And usually it is nice to have a cuddle. But
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  Speaker 2: by the two hour mark, I was literally going out
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  Speaker 2: of my mind. And you realize that they pick up
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  Speaker 2: on your stress. And all I could think was he's
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  Speaker 2: hearing my heart bursting out of my chest. And the
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  Speaker 2: only thing that went through my mind was, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think I can have another one. I can't do this again.
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  Speaker 2: Like whenever anything is a huge inconvenience like that, well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to say inconvenience, but anything is like
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  Speaker 2: very stressful like that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't imagine doing this again. And that's
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  Speaker 1: when Sophie booked Brandon in for the snoop.
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  Speaker 2: So I've been so positive lately, but it was just like,
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  Speaker 2: it's those moments where you're like, I can't actually imagine
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  Speaker 2: having a toddler and then also having a newborn that
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  Speaker 2: you've got to get to bed to.
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  Speaker 1: What about the single parents who do that every night?
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  Speaker 1: That's what I always think. I think, oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 1: they like single parents are actually superheroes. Oh, they're heroes.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's helpful though to hear about other.
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  Speaker 2: People having tough nights because sometimes you think that it's
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  Speaker 2: just you and everyone else's child is sleeping perfectly. I
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  Speaker 2: saw this TikTok and this woman was talking about just
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  Speaker 2: how mentally draining it is those last couple of hours
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  Speaker 2: before your child goes to bed. It's like right after
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  Speaker 2: their nap, if you've got a toddler. And she said,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't have help, it is just next level
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  Speaker 2: anxiety inducing. Like it feels like you're running a marathon
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  Speaker 2: all day and then near the end, it's like the hardest.
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  Speaker 1: Couple of hours. It's the least favorite part of the day.
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  Speaker 2: And I think what made it more difficult is I'm
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  Speaker 2: used to my husband getting home and then he takes over.
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  Speaker 1: So in my head the whole time, I was like, I.
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  Speaker 2: Usually would be sitting down now having a Coke Zero,
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  Speaker 2: enjoying my vlogs, but I'm in here. And I think
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  Speaker 2: the worst bit is when you're by yourself, you're like,
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  Speaker 2: there's no one to take over if I have a
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  Speaker 2: mental breakdown.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This happened to me on Monday night because Dale also,
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  Speaker 2: I think he got home at like 10 o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: It was a very, anyway, there was a bit going
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  Speaker 1: on at his work.
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  Speaker 2: And it was so funny because he was meant to
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  Speaker 2: be bringing home Pastor Go-Go. And because he had to
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  Speaker 2: stay even later, I had to organize my own food.
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  Speaker 1: And I did have something I could have made, but
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  Speaker 1: I was like, fuck this. I am ringing dominoes. I
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  Speaker 1: had the Domino's delivery dropped off. It was like the
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  Speaker 1: timing was elite. Just as Harry went down to bed,
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  Speaker 1: the Domino's arrived, except the guy rung the fucking doorbell.
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  Speaker 1: And I had just, I was like, no.
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  Speaker 2: At least he didn't take a leak out the front,
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  Speaker 2: like the last delivery driver you discussed last week.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, that was a positive. It's funny though. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I'm not opening the door to this man.
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  Speaker 1: I just spoke to him from the ring doorbell. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: could you please leave that in front of the door?
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what the worst thing is?
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  Speaker 2: Brandon was waiting on my order because we were having
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  Speaker 2: sushi and I hadn't messaged him what I wanted.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm having this internal.
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  Speaker 2: Breakdown in this dark room whilst Luke is lying on
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  Speaker 2: me just, and he's sitting at the sushi place in
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  Speaker 2: the car park waiting.
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  Speaker 1: For my water.
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  Speaker 2: This might sound really weird, but has anyone ever had
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  Speaker 2: the thought when they're sitting in that dark room?
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  Speaker 1: I wish I could send messages in my mind because
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  Speaker 1: often like say I'll be putting Harry down and maybe
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  Speaker 1: Dale's making noise out the back or something. And I'll
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  Speaker 1: be like, Oh, I wish I could just message him
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  Speaker 1: to be like, That noise.
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  Speaker 2: I have all of my deep thoughts in there because
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  Speaker 2: I realise it's the only time that you don't really
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  Speaker 2: have your phone on you and you actually just left
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  Speaker 2: your own devices. Do you know what was one of
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  Speaker 2: my weird deep thoughts before? Because I had to put
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  Speaker 2: Harry down.
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  Speaker 1: For his nap.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, our next door neighbour's kids, that kid's
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  Speaker 2: like 13.
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  Speaker 1: When Harry's my age... kid's going to be around 50.
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  Speaker 1: How weird. Wow. That is, that is a deep thought.
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  Speaker 2: I'm constantly running the sums in my head. For some reason,
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  Speaker 2: I do countdowns to things. I'm like, all right, is
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  Speaker 2: this many days until Hilary Duff or, or in this
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  Speaker 2: many months time, my son's going to be this close
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  Speaker 2: to his second birthday.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's just weird.
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  Speaker 2: This is why my health anxiety has been so bad
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  Speaker 2: ever since I had my son, because I just have
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  Speaker 2: so much time to think about things.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what though?
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing more lonely than lying. Even though you've got
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  Speaker 2: a child on you, lying in a dark room with silence.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I think that just drives you insane. I actually,
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  Speaker 1: I actually quite like it.
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  Speaker 2: Cause like, you know how you have really deep thoughts,
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  Speaker 2: like when you didn't have a child, when you'd have
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  Speaker 2: like a really long shower and you'd think of.
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  Speaker 1: All these things. Sometimes I go in there when I
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  Speaker 1: put Harry to bed and I'm like, okay, I can
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  Speaker 1: just switch off. Well, not switch off.
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  Speaker 2: I can actually just become immersed in my own thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: I can think of all these ideas.
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  Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. I think there is something nice
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 2: But when you reach in the two hour mark and
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  Speaker 2: you've been left here for that long.
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  Speaker 1: Kate's looking at me like I'm crazy. Kate's like, what
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  Speaker 1: are you plotting in there? Kate's done the cuddle to
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  Speaker 1: cot for so long.
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't remember the spints of them lying on you.
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  Speaker 1: I love how you keep using the term cuddle to
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  Speaker 1: cot as if it's just so known. Like it's a Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Golley sleep technique.
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  Speaker 2: And the whole thing is you give them a cuddle,
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  Speaker 2: You put him in the cot, you sit in the
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  Speaker 2: room and you let them go to sleep and then
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  Speaker 2: you walk.
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  Speaker 1: Out and if they cry, you come back in, settle them.
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  Speaker 1: We have been trying to do that. Keep trying.
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  Speaker 2: And we try and put him down when he's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit drowsy, but he instantly stands up and starts screaming.
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  Speaker 2: Can I just point out that all kids are different
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  Speaker 2: and that anyone listening to this who has TikTok will
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  Speaker 2: have heard of the term cuddle to cot because it's
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  Speaker 2: all these smug parents are like, I just put them
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  Speaker 2: down in the cot and they just settle themselves.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, when your child is teething badly and Or
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  Speaker 1: going through separation anxiety. Yeah, isn't going to work. That's
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  Speaker 1: how you got to start it earlier. Yeah, but a
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  Speaker 1: lot of techniques.
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  Speaker 2: Also, we'll jump back in the time machine. Go back
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  Speaker 2: in time and.
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  Speaker 1: Do it earlier.
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  Speaker 2: And also, a lot of different techniques work for different children.
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  Speaker 1: You are going to be, I was going to say blessed,
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  Speaker 1: but next child, if you choose to have another one,
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  Speaker 1: You are going to be given the reflux baby. Don't
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  Speaker 1: put that on me.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately. You'll be humbled big time. I want to say though,
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  Speaker 1: I have put a lot of effort into his sleep.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want this to come in biting me in
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  Speaker 1: the ass.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: We'll play this clip in the future if you choose
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  Speaker 1: to have another child. Just like how Amy and I
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  Speaker 1: have been haunted.
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  Speaker 2: By the segment on Outspoken when we said that people
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  Speaker 2: who don't have children are just as tired as people
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  Speaker 2: with children. To be fair, I was trying to play
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  Speaker 2: devil's advocate there and be like, you know, and not
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  Speaker 2: diminish how other women might feel because you also can
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  Speaker 2: be tired, but it's, you also have the opportunity to.
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  Speaker 1: Just go away and sleep. To rest, which you don't realise.
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  Speaker 1: Then everyone's going to be like, oh, I have chronic insomnia.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, we're not talking specifically.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a very good theory where everyone thinks
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: that they're talking about them.
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  Speaker 1: I think the thing that haunts you more is when
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  Speaker 1: you had a go at me for saying just you
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  Speaker 1: wait and now you guys use that term all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I never say it.
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  Speaker 2: You did. I have literally joined team just you wait
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  Speaker 2: and I– I get on my fucking high horse.
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  Speaker 1: We actually have a new term.
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  Speaker 2: We always say, oh, that person's going to be slapped
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  Speaker 2: to the cock over.
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  Speaker 1: Having a child. Are you guys trying to make that
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  Speaker 1: happen after kick to the dick? Like you guys are
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  Speaker 1: thinking about.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's not really appropriate for children's... Parenting podcast.
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  Speaker 1: What if it's slapped to the cock?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, they're going to be slapped to the cock hard
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  Speaker 2: once the reality settles in. You're saying it out of context.
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  Speaker 2: You're saying that that person's going to get slapped on
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  Speaker 2: the cock when they.
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  Speaker 1: Have a kid.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Should we bring out hats? Slapped to the cock, kicked
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: to the dick. You guys sound like ferals talking about this.
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  Speaker 1: Slapped to the cock.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry, but it's in a joking way because
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: I was slapped to the absolute cock having a child.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just put it out there. Everyone is humbled.
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  Speaker 2: Well, after that grotesque visual image, I want to swiftly
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  Speaker 2: move on. So I had this awful incident occur yesterday
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  Speaker 2: with Harry.
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  Speaker 1: He is fine.
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  Speaker 2: But basically I'd run out the front to go and
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: grab his pram and he was happy just toddling around.
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  Speaker 1: He was actually sweeping with this little broom. Anyway, I
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  Speaker 1: was literally gone for 30 seconds and I hear this
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  Speaker 1: ear piercing scream. So I ran down the hallway and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, where is he?
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  Speaker 2: Where is he? And he was sort of like cowering
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  Speaker 2: behind the door and he'd had his broom propped up.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, what is he doing here? And so
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  Speaker 1: I had to move the door to see what he
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  Speaker 1: was doing. His fingers were in the crack of the door.
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  Speaker 1: He got them wedged in. I literally jammed his fingers.
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  Speaker 1: It was the worst. Wait, so you jammed them?
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  Speaker 2: Well, they were already jammed, but then I closed the
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  Speaker 2: door on them so it was further jamming them.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, ah!
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  Speaker 2: He was like screaming and then I had to pull
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  Speaker 2: his fingers once the door was like open again out.
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  Speaker 1: It was horrific. I was thinking, oh, my God, all
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  Speaker 1: of his fingers are going to be broken again. He
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  Speaker 1: was fine.
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  Speaker 2: I gave him a yogurt and he was good to go.
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  Speaker 2: I had a similar thing happen to me. I think
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  Speaker 2: Jack was around the same age when he got his
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  Speaker 2: fingers jammed in the window and he was beside himself
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  Speaker 2: like for 20 minutes after. Remember you came over, Sophie,
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  Speaker 2: and you had to try and cheer him up.
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  Speaker 1: It's the worst feeling.
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: It's also a similar feeling when you trim your baby's
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  Speaker 2: nails and you somehow.
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  Speaker 1: Cut their finger accidentally. I actually said that to Dale.
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  Speaker 1: I said, the feeling I feel right now is the
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: same feeling as to when I cut Harry, when I
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  Speaker 1: cut his fingernails all those months ago. I've had my baby.
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  Speaker 4: And for everyone that's like, you don't have a go
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  Speaker 4: to shower or like whatever, watch this glow up.
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  Speaker 3: Ready?
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  Speaker 1: One, two, three.
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  Speaker 2: Welsh influencer Paige Thorne has been branded smug and out
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  Speaker 2: of touch after sharing a postpartum glow up video two
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  Speaker 2: weeks after giving birth to her son. The former Love
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  Speaker 2: Islander set out to show new mums they can still
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  Speaker 2: find time to shower and get glammed up But not
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  Speaker 2: everyone was impressed. Now, before we get into it, Soph,
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  Speaker 2: can you bring this up to speed with who Paige is? Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 2: she is a former paramedic who found fame on Love
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  Speaker 2: Island UK back in 2022. And she quickly became a
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  Speaker 2: fan favourite after her rugby player partner on the show, Jax,
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  Speaker 2: did her dirty in Casa Amor. I loved Paige, but
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  Speaker 2: I can't lie. I also had a soft spot for Jax. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he was very young at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like 22.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, how you just said Jax, Soph, reminded
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  Speaker 2: me of how she used to say it on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Jax, Jax. Because she's got the best Welsh accent. Yeah,
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: I'm really not sure about Jacks.
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: Side note, this is very off topic, but I've been
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  Speaker 2: reading my son's Cinderella and there's two mice. The two
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: mice are called Gus and Jacks. But there's some debate
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: because my husband was paying me out because I just
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: said Jack and Gus and he's like, isn't it Jacks?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I don't know. Is it
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: Jack or Jacks? How's it spelled? Isn't it Jack's? It's J-A-Q-U-E-S. However,
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: when I Googled it, apparently in the movie they say
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  Speaker 1: it both ways. What do you mean? So in the
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: movie they say Jack and then Jack. Yeah, it's interchangeable apparently.
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  Speaker 1: So people are confused.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, if anyone knows the answer. That's a bit of
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: a fun fact I don't think we need.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get back to this story. Someone's going to be
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  Speaker 1: able to use that knowledge in a pub quiz at
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  Speaker 1: some point.
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: Now, getting back to Paige, she went on to gain
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: 1.2 million followers off the back of Love Island. She
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: has a new partner now. Her boyfriend is called Drew Wedlake.
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: And he, similar to Tommy Fury, is a heavyweight boxer
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: and also a country music star, which is pretty random.
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: He appeared on X Factor almost 10 years ago. And
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: just two weeks ago, as you touched on, they have
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: welcomed a new baby boy called Fately. This is going
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: to be one of the worst influencer names I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: I had to do a double take when I saw
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: it because it sounds and is almost.
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  Speaker 1: Spelt like fatally. Is it a Welsh name though? No,
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  Speaker 1: it's a made-up name. Everyone has been like, what were
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: you thinking?
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  Speaker 2: Is it almost like she saw the name fate? and
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: then Lee and was like, oh, they're two pretty names.
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  Speaker 2: Let's join them together and never said it out loud. Look,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of the name, but I always
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: feel really sorry for someone when they're in the depths
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: of postpartum and then they get slammed for the name.
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: But surely she knew that there was going to be
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: some backlash over this name. I mean, she saw with
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: Molly Mae when she called her daughter Bambi, which actually
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: seems like quite a common name compared to Faith Lee.
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  Speaker 2: According to Google, it's not a traditional Christian name. It
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: actually comes from an English and Irish surname. So the
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: meanings are linked to fate and destiny.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: Well, that's quite nice.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe she wanted a little girl and was going to
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: call it fate and then was like, F this, I'm
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: keeping that name. I've seen a lot of people in
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: the comments saying it's not too late to change the name.
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: Like don't register the name.
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: Well, let's dive into her recent TikTok, which is attracting
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: a lot of attention. So she posted a video with
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: the caption, fresh hair and a newborn, completed it with
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: two shaking hands emojis.
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: I want to point out that that completed it. That
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: is a.
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: Line of the in-betweeners, you know, when Jay's like completed
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: it about the video game.
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: So I think she was trying to have a bit
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: of fun there. I like the in-betweeners, but I have
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: no recollection of that quote.
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: Jay always lies and he pretended that he's completed every
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: video game and then his friend's like, but you can't
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: complete that game. Surely she's not quoting that. That's a
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: very obscure in-betweeners reference.
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: She is.
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: Let's get back to the caption.
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: So she continued to say, I know that not everyone's
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: home life is the same as mine and that every
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: baby is different and some are so much more difficult
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: on a daily. But for all of the scaremongering people
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: who say about not being able to shower or anything
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: when you have a baby, here you go, girlies. Now,
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: I think that that caption immediately rubbed mums up the
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: wrong way because it had sort of this air of
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: arrogance that you often see with new parents who don't
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: realise that their baby hasn't yet woken up to the world.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: Who have yet to be slapped on the cock. That's right.
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to more of what Paige said
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: in her Glow Up video.
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: I'm not even going to attempt mascara because I don't
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: always end up getting to wash my face in the
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: night time. But I always do get my shower in
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: the morning. And this is just for... All the other
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: like moms or like pregnancy girlies that are out there
• 14:24
  Speaker 4: thinking like, oh, it's going to be so hard. I'm
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: never going to be able to do it. You fully can.
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: You fully can have the best of both worlds. And
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: my baby likes it when I've always got like my
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: chest out so he can always just have some cuddles there.
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: So I know it's not the weather for a vest top,
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: but it is most definitely weather for good hair. So yes,
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: you can still feel like you can still have showers
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: and get you. I missed a bit. And get yourself
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: all nice and ready when you have a newborn girlies.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: I actually think this is more of a reflection about
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: how much help you get from your partner or the
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: village that you've got around you. And then also if
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: this is a priority for you. No, because she was
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: getting ready whilst her partner wasn't even there. So she
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: was looking after the newborn. I think it's a reflection
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: that the newborn hasn't woken up to the world yet,
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: that she's able to do all of these things.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree with this backlash.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: I think it's kind of nice that she's saying to
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: people who are concerned that you know, don't stress like
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: you can get things done.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: Like it's quite a positive message.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, this video elicited a huge response at
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: the time of recording. It's had 1.1 million views. I
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: think my favorite comment was this caption is giving Molly
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Mae same 24.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Hours in a day, but make it polite version. Oh,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: come on.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: Another mum weighed in saying not so easy if you
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: have a baby with colic. I mean, these videos always
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: draw out the poor mums with babies with colic. Kate,
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: the new crowd that I'm part of, the You Just
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: Wait crowd, they were out in force in this comment section.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: One wrote, doing all of this is easy with a newborn.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: It's when they're toddlers, which got over 1,800 likes. There
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: were some mums that jumped to Paige's defense, though. One wrote,
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: can't stand some of the comments. Just let her enjoy
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: being a new mum and be happy about the little
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: things without projecting your own experience onto hers. Not every
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: stage needs to come with a warning about how much
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: harder it's going to get. Let her enjoy the moment
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: and the positivity. I actually saw a similar response on
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: a video about an Australian mum talking about how boring
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: maternity leave is and that she's just stuck in her
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: chair and it's just like rinse and repeat, which I
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: actually agree with.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: The thing is, I think... She meant that mentally it's
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: really boring.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: But you've still got a lot to do. Well, it's
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Groundhog Day, isn't it, when you've got a newborn?
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but everyone was like, oh, just you wait till,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: you know, they're a bit older and, oh, shouldn't you
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: be enjoying yourself? I think this is just the common
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: feedback you get used to about these parenting videos because
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: everyone has a different experience. And if their experience isn't
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: reflected in this video, people get up and about. I
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: also either think you're a newborn mum or a toddler mum.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Some people flourish as newborn mums. Whereas I personally would
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: consider myself a better toddler mom. Like I love the
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: toddler phase. The whole thing with this video is clearly
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Paige has copped it all during her pregnancy. from other
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: moms saying you're never going to get time to get
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: ready to the extent that you do. And she's trying
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: to prove a point with this video. But the thing is,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: it's obviously rubbed some moms up the wrong way who
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: literally have no time in the morning. I mean, I
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: think it struck a chord with me because I never
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: have a time to have a shower unless I get
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: up super, super early, which I don't want to do
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: because I want to maximize my sleeping time. So I
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: think when you're sitting there looking like an absolute mess
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: and you see someone fully you know, glamming themselves up.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: You go, why don't I have time to do that?
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Is there something wrong with me? Am I not mother?
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Am I not parenting well enough?
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I think what's rubbed people up the wrong way is
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: her tone. And as you're saying, Sophie, she's kind of
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: posted this as a response to be like, You said
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I couldn't do this and now I have. But the
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: people who don't know that context are probably like.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Hang on, why are you being so smug?
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, we're all just doing our best. And
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: I think that's what people have got to remember. Most
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: mums out there are just trying to.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Do their best.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: And that's why TikTok can be so damaging because all
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: you do is compare yourself to the other mums on
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: there without the important context that you need.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Maybe she had a really, really shit night.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: And she's just trying to make herself better and do
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: herself up so she feels confident that day. I feel
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: sorry for Paige though because I feel like she's almost
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: setting herself up for the fall by putting this sort
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: of content out there because now there's so many mums
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: who are thirsty to be like, See, we told you
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: you'd have no time. Like as soon as your baby's
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: on the move, you're not going to get any time. Sadly,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I just think the TikTok comments though reflect what we
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: all think and talk about behind closed doors because as
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: new parents, you often do judge the other new parents.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Or compare your experience to theirs.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're like, oh, it's interesting that they're doing
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: this and that and oh, they're out at a cafe
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: and oh, they've got time to get ready. And sometimes
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: it does make you feel like, oh, well, why wasn't
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I doing that? And that's when you lash out and
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: you go, oh, well, just you wait. You're going to
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: find this stage of parenting much more difficult. We even
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: did that with each.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Other though because I feel like, Kate, you.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Obviously had Jack first and you did things differently to
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: how I did things.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I was the cafe mum. And I remember you were like, oh,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: just wait. You won't be able to do that all
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the time. Well, that's the thing.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Motherhood is such a journey and it's only with hindsight
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: that you realise things.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Eleni Pullen has revealed her four-year-old daughter spoiled.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Her engagement surprise. A month on from announcing her engagement
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: to Brock Wadsworth, the podcaster shared the moment he proposed
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: on Instagram, captioning it, and that was how the cookie
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: accidentally crumbled. Now, the couple and Minnie were actually on
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: their way to Europe when it happened.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: You didn't keep the secret.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: It wasn't actual.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: You want to marry me, Haha!
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Can you marry broccoli?
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: It goes, fuck you blew it, Minnie.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: I'm so lost for words.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: If that's not the most me and you and Minnie proposal.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're so cute.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: You were going to do it overseas and Minnie just
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: blew it?
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Here we are. Guess what?
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Guess what?
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, to be fair, I think whenever you're in
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: your thirties and you're on your way to Europe with
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: your partner, you're probably expecting an engagement.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: So I don't think that she necessarily ruined.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: It for them.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: She seemed pretty surprised.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: And that video captured the moment where all the pieces
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: of the puzzle were falling into place.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: She's like, oh, is that why.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Her podcast co-host Chloe Fisher told her to bring along
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: a bunch of nice dresses because Brock and Chloe had
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: come up with this elaborate story that, oh, you know,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: you're going to do this photo shoot on a boat,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: but that's actually where he was going to propose. that
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Brock's the one that made the mistake why would you
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: ever tell the four-year-old like they literally spill every all
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: the beans all the time that was a real big
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: lesson for him moving forward as her stepdad I did
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: feel for him though because it would be so disappointing
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: coming up with this big plan in saying that they
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: were still traveling to Europe in business class so I
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: mean you know champagne problems there you know it's kind
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: of cute though especially her calling him it's actually kind
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: of a better story and more interesting isn't more of
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: a humble story isn't it yeah I wanted to know,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, our kids are a little bit too young,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: but can you remember ruining any of mum and.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Dad's surprises or secrets? Sophie, you always did. Yeah, you
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: guys are looking at me.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: You got us blacklisted from finding out any information because.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: You had the loosest lips. She still does. I didn't
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: understand at the time, but yeah, I remember ruining. At
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the time, you literally.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Spill, we'll be watching a TV show and I'll be like, oh, Sophie,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: please don't ruin it for me. And you're like, oh,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: this doesn't ruin it.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: But X, Y, Z. And I'm like, what the hell?
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I always have to look up like on reality shows.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I like to look up who's won just, just for
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: my own thrill.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I still get shocked when people trust you with their secrets.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know why. Yeah.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, the one that springs to mind as
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: a child was, I remember dad telling me that he'd
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: bought mom an Elton John CD for her birthday.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: And I just flat out told her straight to her face,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: like in the next breath. And he's like, We are
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: never trusting you with presents again.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: See, I feel like Jack's getting to the age where
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: he probably will start repeating things I say and I've
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: got to be really careful. Yeah, I feel like you
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: have really started to speak in code. And it's funny
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: because when Amy and I get together, because the boys
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: don't really understand, we'll just talk about anything and everything,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: but you're having like spell stuff out and give different
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: names for people or things.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: And you're just like, oh my God.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: I want to put it out to the mums group
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: because I'm sure there's a lot of you who have
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: some hilarious stories of when your kids have ruined a
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: surprise or told one of your secrets that you didn't
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: want anyone to know about.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: We'll put up a thread in our Facebook group.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Irina Serbinoski has sparked debate about toddler discipline. The former
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Bachelor contestant was shopping with her toddler and her mother
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: when this happened.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I was just at a local shop with my mum
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: and Ava and it was a footwear store and Ava
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: had grabbed two shoes off the sale rack was handing
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: them to my mom for my mom to try on.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: And I was like, Ava, just put them back. And
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: she was like, no.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: And the store.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Lady snapped them off her and said, I will take
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: them off from you. She's like, bye-bye. And did that
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: to Ava. And I don't know how I feel about it.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: I felt really uncomfortable. I felt like we're getting kicked
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: out of the store for my toddler holding two pairs
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: of shoes. She wasn't doing anything with them. But what
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: are your thoughts on strangers telling your child off and
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: even when they.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Weren't really doing anything. That would make my blood absolutely boil,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: especially the bye-bye now.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: It's funny because even when you two disciplined Jack, I
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: get a bit like, hang on, back off. Even though
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: what you're saying is.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Exactly what I would say. I remember disciplining your naughty
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: dog once. She was trying to run across the road
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: and I was like, no, don't do that.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Stay.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: And you're like, please don't speak to my dog like that.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I was like, what the hell? Do you know what
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I think it is?
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: It's because, well, one, you don't really want people having
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: a tone with your child. But two, it's because it's
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: almost an insult to you. It's undermining. Yeah, it's undermining
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: you at saying, hey, you're not doing enough here. So
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to step in and discipline this child. Oh,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: but I think as an auntie, you can step in. Yeah,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: but not as some random shop lady. If some random
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: did this to me, I would be very impolite. Do
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: you know what's worse? When it's a random who doesn't
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: have their own child. I was surprised though, because a
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: lot of people were on the side of the retail assistant.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: So someone wrote, I own a shop. And you wouldn't
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: believe the amount of parents letting their children free range
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: in the store and leaving an utter mess behind for
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: staff to clean up.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I'm a mum.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: At home, it's the constant cleanup after the kids. Perhaps
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: put yourself in her shoes. She may just have had
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: enough that day. Children should be kept close and not carry,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: play around in a store with items. Those items are
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: pricey and displayed to be sold, not played with. Now
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: that comment got 166 likes. It actually reminded me of
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: the comment, children are to be seen, but not heard.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I get where they're coming from. In the instance where.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: There is a child, And they're going absolutely wild and
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: everyone in the shop is giving the eyes, like who
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: was going to discipline that child and nothing happens.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: This sounds very different to what actually happened in this situation.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds like Irina's daughter was quite well
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: behaved and just had the shoes in her hand.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: That's the worst though, the looks that people give you.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: We were in a cafe the other day and we were,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: feeding our sons their lunch.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: They were behaving so perfectly too.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I think Harry just let out one like, like, you know,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: when the kids just randomly do like a bit of
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: a shrill and these fucking women at this other table,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: these older women, they sort of gave us the eyes
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, I'm so sorry.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: They gave us the dead eye.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: One of them gave absolutely stink eye.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: And it's like, I'm so sorry that our child has
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: let out a scream.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: It's almost like when you become a parent, you have
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: to be apologetic that you're even there. It's like, I
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be apologizing for me and my child being at
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: a cafe. Like, sorry that we're existing in the same
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: space as you.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: These women were clearly retired. And it's like, hang on,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: have you forgotten what it was like? When I'm in
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: my 70s, I feel like I'll be the type of
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: beautiful woman that I normally come across that's like opening
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: the door for you. That's the thing.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Usually women of that age are so lovely and they'll
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: always help you and give you a smile. That's why
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I think I was so sort of like, what the
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: hell's going on here? I would have been less surprised
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: if the women were like younger women in their 20s
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: who didn't have kids and were like, oh, shut up.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Because I remember going to cafes with our best friend
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: and there'd be a child screaming and not that you'd
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: give them a dirty look, but you'd make a joke like, oh, like.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Look that under control to be fair I.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Probably did incidentally give people dirty looks and I regret
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: that majorly unfortunately I have a really expressive face and
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: it's just written all over my face and I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have meant to be rude but I probably was so
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  Speaker 2: maybe that's why it's coming back to us you know
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  Speaker 2: what this is a big lesson for everyone though that
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  Speaker 2: most people don't want you to parent their child because
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you think you're doing the right thing.
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  Speaker 1: You think you're.
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  Speaker 2: Lending a helping hand by being like, oh, come on now,
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  Speaker 2: that's enough.
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  Speaker 1: But it's really not your place.
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  Speaker 2: I think the time where you can parent someone's child
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: is if the situation is about to get dangerous. So
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: if some kid is like running towards the road, you
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: can step in, but it's not like telling them off.
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  Speaker 2: It's just, you know, it's just the undermining of the
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  Speaker 2: other parent, which I don't like. I remember seeing this
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: viral clip last year and it was this woman who
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: was at the park. I don't think she had kids,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: but she was, I think she was filming for a
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: TikTok and And this kid tried to.
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  Speaker 1: Take something of hers and she was like, oh, that
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  Speaker 1: belongs to me.
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  Speaker 2: You cannot take that. Please return it. And the dad
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: came up and he's like, how.
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  Speaker 1: Dare you speak to my child like that? How dare
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  Speaker 1: you parent? And they're just like, I was just merely
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: telling him he couldn't take my things. He's like, don't
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  Speaker 1: you tell me how to parent.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, to be fair, maybe that dad had a
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: really hard day seeing it on the other side now.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you're taking.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: The rage that should be out on your child on
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: It's like that guy who does those videos where he
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: pretends to be an overstimulated mum.
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  Speaker 1: Does it matter who is doing the parenting undermining?
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  Speaker 2: Because, you know, you've said that you don't like us
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  Speaker 2: doing it and we are genetically.
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  Speaker 1: His half mother of sorts.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I didn't say I didn't like you doing it,
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  Speaker 2: but there is this thing of like, oh, hang on.
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  Speaker 1: Who do you think you are to say that?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: What about when your husbands have disciplined your kids? Like,
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  Speaker 2: do you have an issue with that? Rhys hates it
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  Speaker 2: because sometimes I undermine what he said. Like, I feel
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: like he's been a bit mean.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be like, no. Which is probably the worst thing
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  Speaker 1: to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes I'll hear Dale being tough with Harry and
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, he's 18 months old.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't know what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: I've done that with our dogs before. Like Rhys will
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: be like, get out of here. Or like Sonny's stolen something.
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  Speaker 2: And then I'm like, let her back in. I saw
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: this video of this man and he had the cutest
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: little girl and the mother's like, tell her off. And
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: the girl like sort of like is quivering her lip
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: and he's like just hugging her.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, tell her off. And he's like, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: doing that. I'm sorry, I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: We laugh so much because obviously Brandon and I are
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: the biggest dog parents and we went on a trip
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  Speaker 2: recently with you, Amy, and you said it's so funny
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: because Brandon literally loves Archie more than anything.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: But he will be so strict with him and be like,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: get down, get down.
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  Speaker 2: And then at night time he's really like pashing Archie
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: on the couch. I was thinking, oh, my God, he's
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: going to be so strict with Luca, isn't he, saying,
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  Speaker 2: I just don't want to have a child that's badly
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: behaved or has no manners.
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  Speaker 1: And I totally get that.
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  Speaker 2: I can't even imagine Luca being rude though. He's like
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: the sweetest little boy. Again, fast forward to a year
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: when they start talking back to us, we'll be like,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: oh my God.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Actually, I've just had a flashback.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: You know, when you were talking about that woman giving
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: you the stank eye when Harry yelled, Jack actually disciplined
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  Speaker 2: Harry in that moment.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: He was like, no screaming. How did that make you feel?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: It's like the soup Nazi on Seinfeld. No bread, no
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: soup for you. Oh, I thought it was hilarious. We
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: actually all burst out laughing.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we were sort of saying it kind of
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: made us feel better because, you know, back in the
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: newborn phase when they'd just scream and you'd be so
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: overstimulated and you'd be like, oh, my God, I'm so irritated.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: The fact that Jack couldn't deal with Harry screaming for
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: a second and was like, no, stop it. The funniest
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: thing is like 10 minutes later he started doing the
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: same scream at the end. It made me think, oh,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: my God, Kate, if you and Rhys have another baby,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: what will happen if the baby's losing it?
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: And he's just like, no, stop. Well, I mean, the
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: baby's not going to listen to him, but I know.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: But I feel like you are that mother who is
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: so driven by what Jack does. Like we'll be like, okay,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: do you mind meeting us out the front of the house?
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: And we'll go straight across to this cafe because, you know,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: we just want to go and give them their lunch.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: And you're like, no, Jack says we have to come inside.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, because I'm trying to put out
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: fires left, right.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: And center you in, I think in six months time,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: you will be like how did you even get him
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: to sit at that cafe? I think a lot of mums.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: You just become scared of your child, don't you? You do.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: You're literally like they're like in charge and you're like
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: we'll do whatever. We'll make this day a little bit easier.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I saw this TikTok and it was like I used
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: to be scared about my newborn whether they were breathing.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Now I'm just scared of them. It's actually so true. Well,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: on that note, that is where we're going to leave
• 30:39
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• 30:54
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