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Double Takes with Mark Rawlins about his choice of The Android Invasion (1/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who commentary
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  podcast. Hello, hello, hello?
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  How are you? I'm very well.
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  Yes, you've been a nice day. Yes, that's marvelous.
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  That's good. What feel like someone just
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  dropped in on a casual conversation video and I'm here
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  today with mr. Mike Rawlings from to watch who
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  a doctor who podcast another commentary for girls.
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  Your research you? Yes.
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  Tell you what. Our opinions are fabulous.
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  Hang on a minute. What does she think of?
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  Well, first of all, we're here today to talk about the Android
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  Invasion. And if you're having Deja Vu,
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  like to duplicate doctors and Sarah's, then you might be right
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  because we have recorded this one before we get to mention
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  that. Yeah well I was imagining.
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  Yeah. Because I've got a question for
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  you. Yeah.
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  Well do to your rather audacious use of pauses and lack of hang
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  on a slack of commentary. Hold on a minute.
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  It will first story straight everybody why we are doing this
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  again, okay? So when we did the Android
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  Invasion, first time around, it was very early on, like how many
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  first time we met? Yes.
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  And I was like, we talked in terms of hamster, you had done
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  very many areas very early on. It was a combo worried because I
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  was, I was on the prowl for life for football contributors.
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  Thing. Yes.
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  And you know, and I had to favorite podcasts.
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  Right? Yeah.
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  Flight for entirety. And to watch who mows my to
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  that? I absolutely would listen to the
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  second. I came out right.
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  Anyway so I was going to solve scarin or social media.
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  Anyway, I found your Instagram handle, I was like oh my God
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  this guy is super hot. Jesus Christ, I'm gettin in one
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  hand to her blood penknife and there we were.
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  So this was a commentary podcast so I thought the idea was Was
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  that you watched the episode and listen to these episodes?
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  These audio episodes are long as as like a DVD commentary.
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  You know like a commentary podcast anybody there for well
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  yesterday? Well, I thought people did and I
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  thought that was the whole concept.
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  I was like, I mean that's I think I might have like once but
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  I don't, yeah, I don't think people do the most basic version
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  of someone doing that. To were you should that's what
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  it's designed for. It was designed for this what
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  I'm saying? So I thought if there were
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  pauses, we were watching the action with the listener.
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  And so, it didn't matter. And now it sort of evolved into
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  more of a, it happens to be on in the background and it doesn't
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  matter. So, but I didn't realize that,
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  by the time, we recorded that it had already started evolving in
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  that way, like it, the concept of gone out the window.
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  Either quite early on with Jack would Joe lead star.
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  Yeah. If people like that and you
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  know, they talked a lot, so that's why we were watching on
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  and also the internet connection wasn't great.
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  Yeah. It was a bit of a pause between
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  that's why I was a bit dodgy. So it was first time I see you
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  on the screen. I was because I was a little bit
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  for which, so I was lost for words as well.
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  So anyway, don't go back and listen to that water.
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  I'm gonna basically instead remark not saying a lot and
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  watching and watching what is evolved into now is essentially
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  sort of mates with dr. Hall in the background I think I
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  shot about it with trivia and personal stories and
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  Recollections and things like that.
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  Exactly, fun of less. If you if you do want to listen
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  along as well get your DVD ready.
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  Yeah. And just to say we have many,
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  many Recollections about this particular story now because
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  before we even go in we need to mention that we visited the
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  location of the Android invasion in didcot.
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  Yes. I'm think many a fan makes a
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  little pilgrimage there to the Android Invasion Village.
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  And we did do that without in Nicholas Briggs.
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  Then also, you ask me which story did I want to do that
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  time? Yeah.
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  And I chose, I chose this one because it's one of my favorites
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  and I think you're quite surprised.
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  I chose Android invasion is not up there.
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  Really, is it? No, it's a favorites.
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  It's always in this, in the Hinchcliffe time.
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  It's always a bit of a, what is also.
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  One of the list is discontinuity, guide, stupid,
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  tiresome and very irritating! No, I want of it.
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  What does Paul Cornell know any, right?
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  Bloody Father's Day, didn't eat for goodness sakes.
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  I just have to say one thing to you though.
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  Before you press play a little guys, please play the second.
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  Yeah. Yeah you got the clicker there
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  is Thank you because there's no way, no way hear me out.
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  I'm not being sarcastic for once.
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  I will say thank you because you have allowed me to develop an
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  appreciation for the absolute turkeys of Doctor Who so thanks
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  to you. I mean, I would love the chase
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  but now thanks to our two. I've got a renewed appreciation
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  of keys of marinus, the Space Museum the underwater Menace, I
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  mean the list goes on and on and on I love them all.
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  Now, and I gave and renovation five out of ten ones on Taco,
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  her reviews, my God. Now, I think I would give it an
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  8. It's fun, it's great.
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  And we will see how much fun it is.
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  Well, press play. Okay, here we go.
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  To encounter. We waved you've had any for the
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  last five minutes. Okay, three, two, one, go.
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  We are, we are diddly Dum diddly Dum written by Terry Nation.
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  Yes my at we can between shows. Well yeah.
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  I mean if listed Have had to watch who it's become a bit of a
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  thing. A Terry Nation.
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  Part 1 has been a bit of a thing I did while back the
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  termination, drinking game part. Why are they died?
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  There was a series of images of Mars.
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  Yes, I did try. There's a series of pictures,
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  right? It started off in the Daleks.
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  He looked perfectly Sober. By the time we got this, it's
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  tough call it. Yeah, it was do a shot.
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  Well, I turned into a sip in the end because I couldn't do a shot
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  and He's a Mariners part 1. Yeah, there's a lot and it's
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  here in this story as well. That's what we say unto us who a
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  lot. Terry Nation doesn't really
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  develop his style Doctor Who changes from the 60s right
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  through, you know, start but termination doesn't really
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  change the Daleks part 1, but this is a great opening.
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  Is there with all my guard unit Soldier?
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  You've got, to be honest. This is a story that starts off,
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  exceptionally strong, and doesn't quite end as strong.
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  Okay. Okay.
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  And this is a great location of forest wheel of a forest.
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  Don't we interpret a quiz that forest and did call it was
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  nearby? This is on private land because
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  I did look up, although location for you, when you can't go cause
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  we're gonna be wet trenching for a load of woods.
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  I've got stuck up a tree. I mean, you could go to any
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  woods really and you remember that?
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  Yeah, yes. Okay, I got I went so high in
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  this tree. I couldn't get that.
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  Oh, here we go. Tom Baker, and Elisabeth,
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  sladen. I mean, is there anything he
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  wanna peek? Of their time here.
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  And I and season was weird, verse 8, 13.
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  And don't you just love it with doctor who goes to a nice?
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  Leafy would exactly. Yeah, it's the best thing in the
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  world. You know why?
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  Because kids have all got Woods near them exactly.
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  You can pretend. This is anywhere.
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  I mean, we could have taken a photo in any forest and said
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  we've been to the location of Angelo Buddies.
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  I think he's got a bit of a hold on.
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  Is this is after you jumped in that war.
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  Oh, of course, we go from quietness or something like
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  that. Bronchitis, something like that,
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  an STD of some kind, no doubt that's actually make it.
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  Yeah, well, people's houses at this point.
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  Hello Doctor, Who and your house with Elizabeth Please, I love
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  these openings are, this is what Terry Nation does very well, the
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  doctor and companion exploring on their own.
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  You don't really get a sense of anything else going on, really?
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  You're finding out as they find. It's all about.
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  There are one because other there's other stories.
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  I think we start off with a space liner and it's all the
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  crew doing and you don't see the Doctor Who companion for like
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  quite a while into this episode. I was there.
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  Yeah. So is that what you like is that
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  your We have set this up. We it's of quite a linear
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  narrative. There's nothing wrong with that,
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  though. It's quite.
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  What is fun? I mean, let's just say, can't
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  the Mysteries are hitting this? I see, that's why I love.
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  And I okay, they don't always pay off but it doesn't matter
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  because it's a fun part 1, We went.
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  Okay. So here's the, the white boiler
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  suit robot people. We went to this location.
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  This is on the edge of, and may I say we all reported along
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  here. It's a nice plowed field now.
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  Ours, running away from the. I did try.
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  Yeah, I marked of the Office run I've ever seen in my life that
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  is in fact on YouTube. Should you wish to go?
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  So here, the doctrines are we run down that way as they did at
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  the edge of this field and there's a lovely actual Village
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  is just in car. Same, their same way that it's
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  portrayed in this, they run through down and there's a path
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  because that's where Sarah. Down.
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  This is on private land. This is a private Quarry.
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  So obviously we didn't do this. Okay, I say yeah she manages to
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  make this, you know, the director Barry Letts.
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  Yeah. Which we will talk about more
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  because you do your love him. No matter it is, he does manage
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  to make this look like a vertiginous drop, if I'm like,
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  Peter Moffat in the five doctors, exactly.
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  If they could do this here in the 70s, why not?
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  In the five? Doctors also, which goes, by the
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  way. It's the director, isn't it?
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  The director? Yeah.
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  And the ambition and that's uh not God.
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  I love this but I'm sorry to interrupt you this bit where the
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  man goes slow motion over the cliff.
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  I mean it's such a memorable image and it's effectively
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  committing suicide and nobody really talks.
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  You know, you talk about the horror moments of Hinchcliffe.
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  No one really talks about this though is because it's sunny and
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  not something it's pretty windy gray.
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  No, I don't really know you played by, he's always in Terry
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  Walsh. Terry Walsh knife.
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  Oh, who is it? I want to make.
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  I don't know. Yes, I want to call him Max
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  somebody he's I know I recognize him in Pella.
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  Don is a badger person impeller Don and heat.
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  Are you sure that's what Terry Walsh that is not Terry Walsh.
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  He's Terry. Walsh was not Ginger.
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  If anybody knows who this stunt man, is it somehow somebody?
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  I think all I'll say is this is our try to recreate this moment
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  in did Carl. Yeah.
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  I jump up onto a style and jumped off that style with the
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  sun behind me as million times and then what made it in slow
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  motion, it doesn't Anywhere near as good as him going off.
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  That Cliff though, this is interesting point that freshly
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  minted money money. Yeah.
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  All the Mysteries are building up.
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  So I really like and we ain't even started.
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  We know, even in the village yet.
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  No. So this is some Quarry somewhere
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  we never went near. No, no, no, we didn't go to
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  this. This is all I think I actually
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  love it when their pods come down that are big stop told us.
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  They are the sultanas. I called them.
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  I didn't like yeah, I wanna hear It's what I tried to say that
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  speaks or ton, right? Look, look at the bottom is
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  grass there, okay? And then when the doctor and
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  Sarah have to duck down when they get shot at look, someone's
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  put a little crash mat thing down for them, so they don't get
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  dirty on the grass. You'll see it when they get back
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  up. It will getting a sense of deja
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  vu, Mark did in fact make that point in our first version of
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  the, a Droid evasion called? Yeah, we know, it's one of those
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  things where you, I've watched it so many times.
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  I had the video, you never noticed, something like that.
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  So then once, Someone points out absolutely.
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  Yeah. There's the there on a little
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  man. Oh, come on.
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  You don't and zarif, never notice that.
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  Unless someone points these things out when they get up.
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  It's so obvious. Almost put this old sofa down
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  for them. It's a bit like one suit.
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  It gets you know. Oh okay.
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  Can I just say? Because Sarah Chu said when You
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  were doing the Android vaginal to watch who, but she thought it
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  was the autons. I first of all, I was like, what
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  is she talking about? Then I'm thinking no various
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  weapons in my hands. Exactly.
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  It's very auton like and I wonder why nobody belittled.
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  I do whatever makes that connection to like, nowadays.
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  We sat in that bed which is sitting on that bench, and this
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  is the path going down to the Village.
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  It was lovely also. No!
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  Can I have a moment for Dudley Simpson?
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  Whose music is bloody. Brilliant in this.
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  Yeah, he's great. I'm having a moment.
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  Oh no. Sorry.
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  All right if I hear it? Oh no.
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  I just meant. I thought no moment to think
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  about it. What's up laughter silence?
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  Was not delete it. So yes.
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  Okay, so this, yeah, this Village hit, it's in the middle
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  of nowhere. This is spinach is Tiny.
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  Oh, it's so nice though. I mean they've got their own
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  because we went it was really hot day.
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  A bit like this here. Yeah, we found ourselves
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  wondering around this Village trying to find obviously that
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  the main bit in the middle of the road.
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  There it was so hot. We would like We need ice cream
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  or a drink or some. There was this cute little shop
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  just around the corner. We found this shop and this
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  woman was walking like sort of alongside us and we said oh
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  excuse me. Do you know where the nearest
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  shop is issuing? Yeah just along here, I'm just
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  going to run it now so I don't know what kind of it was like
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  all the villagers ran the shop. They took it in turns to like
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  volunteer to run the local shopping you stop.
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  Won't take much to run. It was it was a broom cupboard.
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  It literally was. And you had like, You went in,
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  it was like, it's like a little cabin wasn't, it's tiny.
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  And you had a tiny little freezer with some ice creams, a
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  couple of tins of baked beans. Some?
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  Right? Little bits of cereal and thank
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  God, I'm some ice cream. It was very in the middle of
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  nowhere. He was like going back to
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  another time in that place. But just say, I want to say
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  Barry, let's makes the village look really quite vast and it is
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  essentially a single road. So when they look at that road
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  with the, what do you call that thing?
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  That's in the middle that gets tied.
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  So war memorial, I think. Okay.
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  Well, Oil. I think they use a wider lens
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  because in real life that is such a tiny.
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  Yeah. Road, it is time.
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  It is really small that area Class A Lot was like, I'm going
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  look, I want you to tie me up to that war memorial and then film
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  it and he's going. Can we wait till there's no one
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  around I want? No I won't do it now so I didn't
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  give a shit. I was just up there and I didn't
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  he Mark even what real Ivy did I did out like Ivy I'll pass yeah
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  your attention to detail was phenomenal.
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  I'm sure those villagers are used a bit like him.
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  What's it called? The demons 10 wikiHow.
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  No Wars Will See cold David. If they're sold on Gallifrey old
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  old born. Oh boy, that's a old game, a bit
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  like all the devil's. Hump devils devils end and yeah,
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  a bit like that. No one comes here for.
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  That's a detail. I think the villagers are very
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  used to Doctor Who fans coming here.
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  Yeah. And I'm afraid in that moment.
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  Well no, it's right outside the house, I felt a bit, I don't
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  know, but it's hot. That's hot.
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  Okay, I know you got pictures of Tom Baker, Elisabeth sladen up
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  all over the walls. There's no one else in that Pub
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  that's their biggest bit of trays is.do fans going in there.
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  I mean you wouldn't God on the Android Invasion DVD that we're
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  currently watching. Nicholas Briggs ghost and
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  there's literally got this warm again.
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  Oh yes. We remember when dr.
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  Road came to the Village Tom Baker and Elisabeth sladen.
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  I don't know why. She's America, the American.
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  I'll make a Russian in a minute. No, she says that apparently,
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  when school was out, the whole village was flooded with kids.
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  Mmm, amazing. I mean, look at them, you would
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  wouldn't you? Yeah.
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  When you let all the primary school, if there's filming going
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  on and stuff, may I say that Elisabeth sladen is in fact,
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  wearing a very functional clothes for this, one's for
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  lots, of running around and stuff.
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  Yeah, and nice. Pink trouser suit and she looks
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  fabulous. This is a salmon is salmon?
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  No, it's not salmon. Salmon pink.
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  Yeah, well there's a bit more orange.
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  Love pop that looks like, this is a great set and it matches, I
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  think the outside very well, I love a pub like this.
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  I think the all these it and it's a tie show.
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  Your arms about the Avengers are, remarkably the Avengers of
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  the set of the late 60s. This Pub could go up against in
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  Pub Wars with the set in Battlefield.
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  They're very great good. Oh my, oh my God.
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  Yeah. Um, I was put that third out of
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  these, okay, there's some Battlefield, I put battlefield,
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  but in in the reign of terror, no, that's even one of the
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  puppets in the war machines that we keep cutting tool.
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  That's a club back to have people watching the TV.
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  This game, there's a terrible emergency occur in these great
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  cardboard boxes are attacking London here we have the Android
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  Villagers arriving in there that this anxiety.
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  Oh my God. This man with some star scares.
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  The hell outta me, scared me. I did a great impression of him
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  dinner, we could. Yeah, I don't know.
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  He's just face. Just scares me and stare like,
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  at this point. Yeah.
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  We genuinely think this is the Earth because the doctors have
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  landed. They said to us.
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  This is the Earth. So it appears that lots of
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  various traits things are going on on the earth.
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  I think, if you don't look, I mean and and it does obviously
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  turn Outlets across planet and everything like that, if you
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  analyze the story, very, you know, In detail like the eye
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  patch and all of that it doesn't really hold up but that's what
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  Terry nation is great. He gets the Big Ideas, he writes
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  his scripts with bullet points, Androids fake, Hearth, gross,
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  Sarah's face falling. Well actually he didn't write
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  that and then he's like, oh actually need to write scrip for
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  this now and he just mess it. Mixes it all up, but it's great.
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  I love it. You're underselling the The
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  Genius of this because until you find out at the end of episode
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  two, but this is not the Earth. Yeah, you are being let down by
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  called and Paul for two entire episodes, you've been hoodwinked
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  in the most spectacular way and then that when the twist hits is
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  like, fuck me. This all makes sense.
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  Now, all of it makes sense. Yeah.
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  I think it's a very, very clever piece of structuring.
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  It's were then after that, I like episode free, when we're
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  still on the planet and it's all sort of I think episode 4 is the
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  weakest in this. Yeah, we go back.
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  We get kind of I think I'm kind of Faraday's.
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  No problem. Can I just say Barry Letts his
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  use of suspense and silence in this scene where everyone's just
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  there? It's like, yeah.
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  And it goes, yeah, it's pretty ending up.
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  What is happening? They all come to life and Barry.
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  Let grief. So Barry Letts coming back to
• 20:06
  direct our, okay, it's great. You please explain to the people
• 20:10
  out there. Why in fact did you are going to
• 20:13
  dig up every lesson? Marry him?
• 20:15
  I thought, I just When he does all these DVD interviews and
• 20:21
  commentaries that he does for the DVD range when he was alive,
• 20:25
  he just speaks common sense and I do like it when these are two
• 20:29
  countries speak Common Sense tells the truth, it's all very
• 20:32
  balanced, it's not over-the-top. He's like and his autobiography.
• 20:37
  His Memoir gave him reading that.
• 20:40
  So Ami is brilliant. He's just so well-balanced.
• 20:43
  He's like, this is happened. I could just listen to him all
• 20:45
  day and he's just Since when he's and you can see, he's not
• 20:50
  maybe not the most dynamic director out of all of the
• 20:54
  Doctor Who directors. But he understands because
• 20:58
  you've obviously been producing. You understand it.
• 21:00
  So well, he answers not to make televi know.
• 21:02
  Yeah, exactly. Like he's clearly learned his
• 21:05
  craft. Well, he's acted.
• 21:07
  Yeah. Directed his produced, he's
• 21:09
  written. So he understands the entire
• 21:11
  media of Television. So, yeah.
• 21:13
  Maybe he's not as dynamic as Douglas Canfield or someone like
• 21:16
  that. That, but I think he is
• 21:19
  shockingly competent like everything.
• 21:21
  He directs, you know, you can guarantee it's going to be a
• 21:25
  good piece of teller. And you can just tell that he
• 21:26
  would bring it in, on, time, on budget.
• 21:28
  Yeah. And everyone.
• 21:29
  He wouldn't have any issues with anyone.
• 21:31
  He's just brilliant. I love about her is, like,
• 21:34
  obviously did Doctor Who they needed classic cereals.
• 21:37
  And I'm not sure what he did after that, but he came back
• 21:40
  after all these years to talk about these stories, on
• 21:43
  documentaries on commentaries and things like that.
• 21:47
  And what he remembers about the technicalities, he gives such
• 21:52
  insight into his character and his stories, and I just believe
• 21:56
  that you selling me the truth as well.
• 21:58
  Well, sometimes I listen to his comedy Limelight, whatever he's
• 22:02
  saying, you know what I mean and been interested in the technical
• 22:08
  side of things and the behind the scene side of things, he
• 22:10
  just brings that sensible voice. I could just listen to him all
• 22:14
  day and even like, you know, Terrance dicks goes over the
• 22:17
  top. A little bit and get a bunch of
• 22:18
  stuff and what their became manic.
• 22:20
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 22:21
  Because he brings him back down to earth a little bit and he's
• 22:23
  like, actually this is so commentaries with them on.
• 22:26
  Absolutely pretty. It's just a shame that you
• 22:28
  didn't get to finish. He did fully one of his book,
• 22:30
  didn't he? And then.
• 22:30
  Yeah. And the only really got halfway
• 22:33
  through his time was all. You told me that you saw him
• 22:35
  when he said he wasn't going to was he someone someone?
• 22:47
  Just because he got about sort of just the end of season a even
• 22:51
  and I would have loved to have listened to the yeah, he stood,
• 22:56
  his side of things for the rest of the part we are but even
• 22:58
  stuff, like, I just always wanted to know what he was like
• 23:00
  when he was advising on season 18 with John nathan-turner.
• 23:03
  Oh, my God. Story hasn't really been told by
• 23:05
  anywhere because he didn't want to talk about it and you can't
• 23:09
  really tell me you got bit from John nathan-turner, side of
• 23:12
  things. But I know no one's really said,
• 23:14
  what went on or what is? I'd love to know who their point
• 23:16
  of view. Theories are why season?
• 23:18
  Yeah, I know. Yeah, I most intelligent the
• 23:21
  most, the best budget is that really the best looking J&T
• 23:25
  season of how out of barrel? It's a story.
• 23:27
  It's that sort of time that I'd love to know but I just don't
• 23:30
  think I just think we've gone from the woods and the
• 23:34
  space-suited people to the village with the zombie people
• 23:39
  to a space security center. Now I mean it doesn't really
• 23:44
  like why is unit? Is unit just because obviously
• 23:50
  creepers up in the rocket. But I don't understand why the
• 23:52
  Brigadier would have his named, he's put his name on his door or
• 23:54
  does he just sort of set up camp and they just someone printed
• 23:57
  off a name for his. He's got an office there at this
• 24:00
  research. Why is it like you hate him at
• 24:02
  all? They didn't mention unit at all
• 24:04
  in the sea Devils. Hmm.
• 24:06
  And so you're not going away as you did with the Brigadier, by
• 24:09
  doing this. You're going always the
• 24:11
  Brigadier, does it need to be unit human.
• 24:13
  What happened? Nicholas County was like, I
• 24:15
  ain't doing that because know, You wrote me out the show?
• 24:18
  Yeah, I'm not coming. I got a fear run this guy for
• 24:20
  six months. Oh, and we lose the Tardis here
• 24:24
  or Miss lay that on another chair.
• 24:25
  In a termination things, something wrong with the Tardis
• 24:28
  can't get back in. Don't let loose a lot in one of
• 24:30
  Italy's Mariners. No, that's all right.
• 24:33
  It's an invisible force. There is a force field in he's
• 24:35
  in Mariners. Well then it all gets gunked up
• 24:39
  in planning. The darling.
• 24:43
  There's always something isn't all dietary plan it stays on
• 24:46
  Kimball don't. Yes, and they're off.
• 24:52
  Chase. I'll part from the chase.
• 24:54
  Well, they need it, but they need to get, they need it in the
• 24:56
  junk, in chance. Oh, look at this man.
• 25:01
  Coming up the Sultana. He strangles, Sarah, Jane Ryan.
• 25:05
  I think it's supposed to be tonight.
• 25:06
  So close though, doesn't very comical.
• 25:08
  I won't get close. Why does a she's gonna kiss him?
• 25:16
  What if I was hard about enough for now?
• 25:18
  Oh and here we have Milton John's.
• 25:23
  Like I've seen him last in Doctor Who in enemy of the world
• 25:25
  been brilliant as well. I knew him absolutely from the
• 25:29
  BBC children's series. I don't know if anyone remembers
• 25:32
  has this. My first memory of loving a TV
• 25:37
  show and being a fan of a TV show was cbbc's, happy families,
• 25:42
  1988 89, Nine based on the books from Allah Al Berg and he play
• 25:49
  heat. It was like a it was like a sort
• 25:50
  of wrap company. There was a group of accident
• 25:52
  and they did a different sort of Story Each time.
• 25:54
  I've never heard of it until he showed me a clip and the first
• 25:57
  one was mrs. Wobble the waitress with a net
• 25:59
  Badland as mrs. Warble she was awesome nervous
• 26:05
  when Milton Jones character, Alfonso shouts when he shouted
• 26:17
  I'm sad first the food around but then all the customers loved
• 26:20
  her because she follows the food around but Milton Jones is are
• 26:23
  mr. What a but you're fired honestly
• 26:27
  I don't watch is a great as mr. Creep, the crook as well in the
• 26:31
  same program in the same program.
• 26:32
  So happy families. It's amazing.
• 26:34
  That's how I know him. What can I say?
• 26:36
  It's a very different role from enemy of the world where he was
• 26:41
  the Sinister and sadistic henchman oh absolutely.
• 26:44
  And I'm very Camp. May I say?
• 26:46
  But apart from this and happy families, I've not seen him in
• 26:48
  anything else. No, not anywhere else.
• 26:50
  It's brilliant and may I say so that's a race.
• 27:00
  Isn't a commentary of this because it's a good commentary.
• 27:02
  This is got the guy placed ikran Marquez bit boring and it was
• 27:08
  jobs. Yeah, and Milton John says that
• 27:11
  he loved working with Tom Baker, like he made it.
• 27:14
  I really Farm delightful experience but he said he worked
• 27:18
  with Patrick troughton twice and he died.
• 27:22
  He said he never got to know him.
• 27:23
  He was quite obscure on the stair and I thought that was
• 27:26
  quite interesting because everyone always says Patrick
• 27:27
  Chan was so much fun to be around.
• 27:29
  He's the first person I never knowed to say that he was
• 27:31
  actually was a bit of a mysterious character.
• 27:33
  Well, as distance you did have a bit of a stressful time on them
• 27:37
  to did. He, maybe just didn't hit me
• 27:39
  with the world because it was Barry Letts.
• 27:41
  He confessed to bury that he wanted to leave an enemy in the
• 27:44
  world. Oh yeah.
• 27:45
  A tree Crown. Yeah.
• 27:47
  I mean the whole eye patch thing in.
• 27:49
  This does let the character of God created down a little bit,
• 27:51
  tell us apart, but all I had to do was cover it with a line,
• 27:55
  right? All they had to say was he'd
• 27:57
  been hypnotized her. Not look Brave.
• 28:01
  Yeah, you know, maybe that was and I'm surprised.
• 28:03
  It's right behind script editing.
• 28:05
  Isn't it that something like that would be?
• 28:07
  Because he's usually quite things like that I covered,
• 28:10
  aren't they? All of some of this action?
• 28:11
  This is, this is again, this is a private location.
• 28:14
  We couldn't go to this one. We would have done.
• 28:16
  It is a very less. Yeah, the pace of this first
• 28:21
  episode is Relentless much goes on tons of outside location,
• 28:25
  work, loads of mysteries and suspense like this is peak.
• 28:30
  Sold one and I think all the location filming really helps
• 28:33
  the story. There's a lot of words, 50/50,
• 28:36
  location and Studio. I suppose, this will does really
• 28:39
  help, um, looks marvelous, and that's costume done it.
• 28:42
  I'm sorry she's got cool shoes on in their city is notice.
• 28:48
  No, I'll have a look now. Oh, God, you're mine and had one
• 28:50
  of those phones. It's when I was phones where you
• 28:52
  have to do around of around, yeah we've had a phone 999, you
• 28:56
  know, bit of trouble, you know especially having a seizure or
• 28:59
  something, you know. Whoa made long, but again,
• 29:04
  another termination thing monster, at the end of part 1
• 29:07
  and moored at least have some music goes down down and they're
• 29:14
  doing the terror of the zygons thing on there.
• 29:16
  But just showing you a little bit of the monster, which I
• 29:18
  think is wise for the crawls, Islanders effective of the first
• 29:20
  time on terra's. I've been.
• 29:22
  So let's be honest. That's because the design of the
• 29:25
  crawls is not quite as good as the design of the zygote.
• 29:27
  I think they look their best here when he puts his head
• 29:29
  through this hole. That's the best across.
• 29:31
  Somebody gotta see it. Just seen that bit of him.
• 29:36
  This is the best they look after this.
• 29:38
  I'm sorry, they don't really work.
• 29:40
  That is scary. I think for an end of part 1
• 29:43
  monster, do you think Philip Hinchcliffe talks as much sense
• 29:45
  as Barry laughing. He's quite sensible Xylo.
• 29:47
  Yes, absolutely. He's great.
• 29:49
  He is scathing about the design of the Cross.
• 29:51
  Now, he likes the story, he likes the Mysteries, he likes
• 29:54
  the writing. There's always that One
• 29:55
  Direction, all of these classic so it was math feltner.
• 29:58
  Faulkner for governor? Yeah.
• 30:00
  Yeah, then you don't need to tweet us now folks, we just read
• 30:05
  the credits, there's always one thing that let you know like
• 30:10
  when Chang it's the rat in these great stories is always one
• 30:14
  thing and unfortunately this if the crows were a little bit
• 30:16
  better, I think this would be viewed.
• 30:18
  Well he says because the cross is supposed to be these highly
• 30:20
  skilled technicians yet, they've got these dream hands and I'll
• 30:24
  do anything more. I'm sure we should look this up.
• 30:26
  What? Terry Nation described them as
• 30:28
  in his Script because was it a vague Terry Nation.
• 30:33
  We probably put think Ryan was it?
• 30:36
  Or was it? I can't think of what they call
• 30:38
  Kroll's but you make them up what you want.
• 30:40
  It's what you would usually do is the Daleks before we out this
• 30:45
  episode. May I just make a comment on my
• 30:47
  favorite dick. Sure, dick meals rights.
• 30:52
  Who's a special sound man, throughout?
• 30:54
  Most of the seventies, you know? Yes.
• 30:57
  And I'll tell you what, though. Because I think the same
• 31:00
  Technicians, a doctor who do off the world.
• 31:01
  The budget can't do most trying times and may I say, he does
• 31:06
  some fabulous things in this, you know, the bit where Sarah
• 31:08
  Jane strap to the to the chair and the lights, call the Royals
• 31:11
  game where? Yeah I watched it, the fabulous,
• 31:15
  whoops alarm and when they Androids are firing their guns
• 31:21
  that goes, we should all go to a dick Mills concert or imagined
• 31:27
  all them noises alive. Or I could just do them all on
• 31:31
  here.