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Mega Edition: Lori Vallow Daybell And Her Road To Radicalization (9/12/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. On
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  Speaker 1: today's episode, we're going to talk more about Lori Vallow
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  Speaker 1: and Chad Daybell and continue to add some context to
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  Speaker 1: the story as we wait for the jury selection to
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  Speaker 1: end and the trial to kick off in earnest. And
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  Speaker 1: to do that, we have an article today from KSLTV.com. Headline,
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  Speaker 1: Radicalized Religion. When did Lori Vallow Daybell's beliefs become dangerous?
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  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Kiera Faramund and Mike Hedrick.
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  Speaker 1: From missionary and one-time primary president to facing first-degree murder
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  Speaker 1: charges in the deaths of two children, Lori Vallow Daybell
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  Speaker 1: and Chad Daybell went from seemingly mainstream members of the
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  Speaker 1: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to following and
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  Speaker 1: practicing beliefs far outside the official teachings and doctrine. I
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  Speaker 1: would say that's accurate. Most Mormon people out here, I'm sure,
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  Speaker 1: aren't running around calling their children zombies or evil spirits
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  Speaker 1: or anything else like that. Religious scholars say the road
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  Speaker 1: to radicalized religion often starts small. Sometimes there are formal
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  Speaker 1: offshoots of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,
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  Speaker 1: people who formally rescind their membership and create a new group,
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  Speaker 1: create a new church, and then other times, it's just
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  Speaker 1: people who develop their own ideas that actually might be
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  Speaker 1: out of sync with the mainstream church, said Patrick Mason,
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  Speaker 1: director of Utah State University's religious studies program. Sometimes they
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  Speaker 1: take formal structure, and sometimes it's a more informal group
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  Speaker 1: of people, oftentimes on social media. I think that's the
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  Speaker 1: nice way of saying that a bunch of lunatics get
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  Speaker 1: together and come up with their own brand of fairy tales.
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  Speaker 1: In interviews with police, friends said Valo Daybell's long-held Latter-day
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  Speaker 1: Saint beliefs changed dramatically after meeting Daybell. And that's how
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  Speaker 1: it usually works. If you're going to get radicalized, whether
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  Speaker 1: it be Islam or, in this instance, this form of
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  Speaker 1: the LDS church, whatever it is, you're going to find
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  Speaker 1: somebody who is going to put you on that path
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  Speaker 1: of radicalization, whether it's in person or online or just literature,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to come into contact with something that puts
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  Speaker 1: you on that path. And a lot of times the
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  Speaker 1: people who get radicalized are people who are vulnerable, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's emotionally or mentally, whatever. Those are the people that
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  Speaker 1: are the easiest to bring under the umbrella of radicalization.
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  Speaker 1: And in fact, that's how the Taliban was formed. After
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  Speaker 1: the Russian invasion, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, all of
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  Speaker 1: those refugees poured into Pakistan and they were preyed upon
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  Speaker 1: by the mullahs and clerics who radicalized these kids and
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  Speaker 1: turned them into the Taliban. And you see the same
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  Speaker 1: thing here, but on a more interpersonal level between Daybell
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  Speaker 1: and Lori Vallow. She was a really good mom. She
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  Speaker 1: was very helpful to everyone. We served in our church together.
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  Speaker 1: And we were great friends. I trusted her with my children,
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  Speaker 1: April Raymond told an investigator with the Chandler Police Department
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  Speaker 1: in Arizona. Raymond knew Valo Daybell when she and her
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  Speaker 1: fourth husband, Charles Valo, lived in Hawaii between 2014 and 2016.
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  Speaker 1: Raymond said Valo Daybell was different when she returned to
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  Speaker 1: Hawaii years later. And it doesn't take years to be radicalized.
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  Speaker 1: It only takes a little while. especially if you believe
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  Speaker 1: whatever the charlatan is selling. She made comments about Charles
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  Speaker 1: already being dead and that there was a demon living
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  Speaker 1: inside of him. I just thought she just snapped. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know what was going on, but she was a
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  Speaker 1: completely different person. And the second anyone starts talking about
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  Speaker 1: possession or the devil or any of that stuff, I
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  Speaker 1: just automatically assume that you're kooky as shit. And that
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  Speaker 1: goes double for people that you already know. Like if
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  Speaker 1: we've had a previous relationship and I don't see you
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  Speaker 1: for a little while and you show up and you're
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  Speaker 1: talking and all this John of God type shit, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to have some questions, bro. Especially if it's bizarre
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  Speaker 1: talking about people are being possessed and stuff like that. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if somebody has a spiritual awakening, that's a little different, right?
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  Speaker 1: They don't show up at your house talking about this
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  Speaker 1: one's dead already with a demon living inside of them.
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  Speaker 1: So there's obviously a difference between a real spiritual awakening
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  Speaker 1: and the morbid nonsense that these sick bastards were up to.
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  Speaker 1: Living on the edge of heaven. Daybell claimed two near-death
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  Speaker 1: experiences in his late teens and early 20s left him
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  Speaker 1: with a special connection to the spirit world. No, it
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  Speaker 1: just made you stupid, obviously. One of my favorite sayings is,
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  Speaker 1: what did you fall and hit your head? And when
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about Chad Dumbbell, that's obviously the case. As
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  Speaker 1: an author, he wrote about his experiences, including visions of
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  Speaker 1: the future. Yeah, that happened to me one time, too,
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  Speaker 1: on an acid trip at a place called the Candy
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  Speaker 1: Factory in Las Vegas. Many of Daybell's fiction works focus
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  Speaker 1: on end-of-times, doomsday, apocalyptic stories, and he was a frequent
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  Speaker 1: guest at preparedness conferences and on prepper podcasts, figures. It
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  Speaker 1: was at one of those conferences that Lori first met Chad. Like,
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  Speaker 1: preppers conferences, really? What, do you guys go and talk
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  Speaker 1: about your freeze-dried food? Oh, I built a moat around
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  Speaker 1: my homestead. I mean, what's there to even talk about
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  Speaker 1: that you can't talk about online? You have to have
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  Speaker 1: a whole-ass conference for preparedness? Alright, I guess. Maybe I'm
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  Speaker 1: missing out. It was at one of those conferences that
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  Speaker 1: Lori first met Chad. Imagine your wife coming up to
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  Speaker 1: you and saying, Hey babe, I'm heading out to the
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  Speaker 1: Doomsday Conference. I'll be back in a few days. Your
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  Speaker 1: boy would have some questions about the itinerary and what's
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  Speaker 1: going on at the Doomsday Conference. There's a recognition that, okay,
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  Speaker 1: some of this stuff may not play very well in
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  Speaker 1: church on Sundays, you know, Mason said. There's a recognition
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  Speaker 1: that it sounds different or it's distinct from kind of
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  Speaker 1: mainstream Mormonism. And so that's why some of these other outlets,
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  Speaker 1: whether it be online or whether it be through in-person gatherings,
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  Speaker 1: conferences that people have, oftentimes these ideas play out in
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  Speaker 1: those other venues. And I'm certainly no expert on the
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  Speaker 1: Mormon religion, but I think it's safe to say that
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  Speaker 1: that wouldn't be the kind of conversation that would be
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  Speaker 1: welcomed by the congregation today. on a Sunday. Hey, Evelyn,
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  Speaker 1: you hear about Al? He's possessed by a spirit, and
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  Speaker 1: he's a level four, whatever the hell you call it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Becky with the good hair from Ward
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  Speaker 1: 5 isn't down with that kind of conversation. Vallow Daybell
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  Speaker 1: and Daybell found friends and followers who had like-minded beliefs.
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  Speaker 1: They studied scripture together and attended Latter-day Saint temples together.
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  Speaker 1: The people in these different groups, they feel like they
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  Speaker 1: have additional knowledge, Mason said. They sort of take the
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  Speaker 1: church as a baseline, but say, OK, the church is
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  Speaker 1: kind of doing a lowest common denominator thing, but we
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  Speaker 1: have special knowledge or we have access to new information
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  Speaker 1: that God has given to use or to the way
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  Speaker 1: that we interpret scripture. And that gives us, you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of a different identity, even if we can go
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  Speaker 1: to church with everybody else, like they're part of this
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  Speaker 1: like little cabal, right? The we see demons instead of
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  Speaker 1: human beings cabal. Sounds like a fantastic group. Demons, zombies,
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  Speaker 1: and dark spirits. Court documents and interviews with Valo Daybell's
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  Speaker 1: friends have revealed many of her radical religious beliefs that
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  Speaker 1: span from spiritual to mystical. She believes she has the
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  Speaker 1: patriarchal power, which was higher than the Melchizedek power, longtime
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  Speaker 1: friend Melanie Gibbs said in an interview with police. An
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  Speaker 1: indication that Valo Daybell believes had shifted her beliefs from
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  Speaker 1: the doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
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  Speaker 1: Saints when it pertained to priesthood powers, which in the
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  Speaker 1: Church are only available to male members of the faith.
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  Speaker 1: Chad would help groom her into these beliefs and ideas,
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  Speaker 1: Gibb continued. He would help her believe more and more, like,
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  Speaker 1: you're the most powerful woman in the world. Other friends
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  Speaker 1: told police about strange conversations they had with Valo Daybell,
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  Speaker 1: in which she talked about demons and zombies, taken over
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  Speaker 1: the bodies of her family members like the second a
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  Speaker 1: family member of mine or a friend makes a comment
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  Speaker 1: to me like that and they're serious and they have
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  Speaker 1: conviction behind it i'm staging an intervention right away forget
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  Speaker 1: about it and if you're with some crazy ass dude
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  Speaker 1: me and that dude are about to have a conversation
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  Speaker 1: off to the side and away from everybody else She
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  Speaker 1: had made comments about Charles already being dead and that
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  Speaker 1: there was a demon living inside of him, Raymond told police.
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  Speaker 1: She had kind of some wild ideas about the idea
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  Speaker 1: of her husband being possessed, friend Christina Atwood said in
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  Speaker 1: an interview with police. And she was concerned that Tylee
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  Speaker 1: also had these dark spirits that were trying to control her.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine looking at your daughter and thinking that? All because
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  Speaker 1: this Shrek-looking MF-er told you that this is the way
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  Speaker 1: it is and fed you this BS doctrine? Serena Sharp
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  Speaker 1: told police that Valo Daybell had told her Satan was
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  Speaker 1: ramping up his powers and that evil is so pervasive
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  Speaker 1: in the world and that it was her job, she
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  Speaker 1: was responsible, for casting out these zombies. You want to
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  Speaker 1: see zombies? Head down to Kensington in Philadelphia and you'll...
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  Speaker 1: get your fill of zombies alright. At what point does
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  Speaker 1: it turn dangerous? I would say right away. The second
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  Speaker 1: you start talking about your kids have evil spirits in
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  Speaker 1: them and the way to get rid of those evil
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  Speaker 1: spirits is to purge your children, I would say it's
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  Speaker 1: dangerous at that point. In a worldwide church of 17
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  Speaker 1: million members, it would be impossible for Latter-day Saints leadership
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  Speaker 1: to monitor the private beliefs of individuals. And schismatic groups
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  Speaker 1: are not unique to the Church of Jesus Christ of
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  Speaker 1: Latter-day Saints, as they are common in all major religions, 100%.
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  Speaker 1: Organized religion scares me a lot of the time, folks.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan. Now, I don't have a
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  Speaker 1: problem with spirituality, but organized religions really turn me off.
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  Speaker 1: In the United States of America, you know, we allow
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  Speaker 1: for freedom of speech. We allow for people to have
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  Speaker 1: different ideas. And that's not a problem. But I think
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  Speaker 1: with Chad and Lori, at least, what it appears, or
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  Speaker 1: what they're accused of, is when those things turn into,
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  Speaker 1: when those ideas turn into the idea that they need
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  Speaker 1: to take out other people, when they need to commit
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  Speaker 1: violence against other people, that's when those ideas really become dangerous,
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  Speaker 1: Mason said. I would think it's even before that, like
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  Speaker 1: I said a second ago. Once you start thinking this
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  Speaker 1: sort of shit, it's time to go get help. Before
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  Speaker 1: his death in 2020, Charles Vallow called police, begging for
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  Speaker 1: them to intervene and get his wife help. for her
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  Speaker 1: mental health. In later released body cam footage, he can
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  Speaker 1: be seen telling an officer that Lori had threatened to
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  Speaker 1: kill him because she believed his body had been taken
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  Speaker 1: over by someone else, and the body camera footage is
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  Speaker 1: just unbelievable. When you see this poor man telling the
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  Speaker 1: police this, and then the police sitting down with Lori
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  Speaker 1: Vallow and completely buying into her BS, it was just
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  Speaker 1: unbelievable to watch that unfold. She says, I'm Nick Schneider.
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  Speaker 1: I've taken over Charles' body and Charles has been killed
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to kill you. You're going to be
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  Speaker 1: murdered today or tomorrow. I can do it with my
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  Speaker 1: priesthood powers, he told police. What would you do if
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  Speaker 1: somebody told you that? I'd be swooping up my kids
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  Speaker 1: and I'd be getting out of Dodge ASAP. Charles expressed
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  Speaker 1: concern over the safety of JJ and Tylee at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Lori did meet with officers and have a mental health
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  Speaker 1: exam in January. of 2019, and she was medically cleared.
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  Speaker 1: Six months later, Lori's brother, Alex Cox, shot and killed
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  Speaker 1: Charles inside Lori's Chandler, Arizona home in what he said
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  Speaker 1: was self-defense. Police later ruled the death a homicide, but
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  Speaker 1: before any charges could be filed, Cox had died from
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  Speaker 1: an apparent heart attack. I don't buy that for a minute.
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  Speaker 1: An apparent heart attack? Yeah, right. Pretty convenient that old
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  Speaker 1: Coxie boy died happens to have his ticker go out
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  Speaker 1: on him right when the hammer of justice is about
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  Speaker 1: to come down. Laurie was indicted on charges of conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: to commit murder and Charles' death. Those charges are on
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  Speaker 1: hold while the case in Idaho plays out. Radical vs.
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  Speaker 1: Real The type of belief that Daybell was preaching to
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  Speaker 1: his small group, you know, that people can become zombies
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  Speaker 1: because their spirits could go dark and therefore die, They
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  Speaker 1: needed to be killed so that they could cast out
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  Speaker 1: the zombies. Those things are nothing that would be recognizable
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  Speaker 1: to mainstream Latter-day Saints today, said Barbara Jones Brown, director
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  Speaker 1: of Signature Books Publishing, or the belief of reincarnation. He
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  Speaker 1: taught that all people have up to nine lives on
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  Speaker 1: this earth. Oh, that's original. I thought that was for cats.
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  Speaker 1: Those kinds of things are really just so far out
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  Speaker 1: of line with mainstream Latter-day Saint belief. With so many
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  Speaker 1: different portrayals in the media in recent years and the
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  Speaker 1: upcoming trial of Valo Daybell, there is sure to be
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  Speaker 1: a significant misunderstanding over what is a real teaching of
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  Speaker 1: the church and what is a radical extreme belief. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I think most people understand
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  Speaker 1: that the vast majority of Members of the Church of
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  Speaker 1: Latter-day Saints aren't running around calling their kids demons and shit.
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  Speaker 1: Just like the vast majority of people who are Muslim
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  Speaker 1: aren't terrorists. I think most people understand that. But of course,
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  Speaker 1: there are crazy people out there that conflate everything. Mason
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  Speaker 1: told KSL, This has been a problem for the Latter-day
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  Speaker 1: Saint faith since the beginning. Whether in the media or
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  Speaker 1: another forum, people are attracted to the more sensational aspects.
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  Speaker 1: whether it be violence, whether it be sex scandals, whether
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  Speaker 1: it be polygamy, and other kinds of things. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of these practices are outgrowths of and are
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  Speaker 1: related to, but actually very different from the way the
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  Speaker 1: most Latter-day Saints live and believe in their religion. He
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  Speaker 1: said one of the challenges on a national scale is
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  Speaker 1: that a large percentage of Americans have never even met
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  Speaker 1: a member of the church. Well, here in Las Vegas,
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  Speaker 1: I grew up with a bunch of people who were
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  Speaker 1: in the Mormon church. And besides a few customs that
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  Speaker 1: don't line up with the things I grew up with,
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  Speaker 1: they weren't weird at all or into anything like this,
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you that much for sure. A 2022
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  Speaker 1: national survey found nearly half of Americans have no friends
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  Speaker 1: or family members who are Latter-day Saints. That number is
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  Speaker 1: even higher the further you get away from the Mountain
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  Speaker 1: West region. So yeah, if you don't live out West
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  Speaker 1: or Las Vegas, you know, Nevada area, Utah, that certainly
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  Speaker 1: makes sense. I know before I moved to Nevada from
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  Speaker 1: New York, I had no idea what a Mormon person
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  Speaker 1: was until they showed up at my door knocking in
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  Speaker 1: their little outfit. I looked at my mom. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: what's this guy doing at the door? And why is
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  Speaker 1: he talking about something that's not Catholicism? You know, I
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  Speaker 1: was just a little kid. I didn't know any better.
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  Speaker 1: But I could see how, you know, some people out
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  Speaker 1: there who live in different parts of the country might
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  Speaker 1: have never even met somebody who is Mormon. Their knowledge
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  Speaker 1: and their understanding of the religion is pretty shallow, Mason said.
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  Speaker 1: What they know about the religion is what they see
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  Speaker 1: on TV. Well, that's pretty much what everybody knows about
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  Speaker 1: every religion that isn't theirs. So I think the worry
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  Speaker 1: here That there's going to be some blowback against the
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  Speaker 1: Mormon church is a bit misplaced. I don't see that happening.
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  Speaker 1: I think people understand that we're talking about some crazy
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  Speaker 1: people here and not a whole religion. He pointed out
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  Speaker 1: that this is also a problem not unique to one faith.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know all that much about
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  Speaker 1: Islam or don't know very many Muslims. And so they
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  Speaker 1: see in the news, whether it be about Al-Qaeda or
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  Speaker 1: some other violent Muslim extremist, even if they know intellectually
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  Speaker 1: that that's a fringe of the group that doesn't represent
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  Speaker 1: the whole, there's some part of them that says, well,
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  Speaker 1: there must be something about that religion that promotes this
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  Speaker 1: kind of extremism. It's important, Mason said, for all viewers
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  Speaker 1: of the Vallow Daybell trial to recognize their own lack
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  Speaker 1: of understanding or lack of knowledge so as to not
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  Speaker 1: make judgments about the entire Latter-day Saint faith based on
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  Speaker 1: what's presented in the courtroom. Well, Isn't Mason doing the
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  Speaker 1: same thing right there, implying that people are going to
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  Speaker 1: do that? See, I have a different outlook. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think people are going to look at what's going on
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  Speaker 1: here and cast blame on the whole entire Church of
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  Speaker 1: Latter-day Saints. I think people's rage is going to be
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  Speaker 1: pointed exactly where it should be pointed, and that's at
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  Speaker 1: Lori Daybell and Chad Daybell. For a casual listener, a
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  Speaker 1: casual viewer, who doesn't know that much or doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: that much context, it's easy for them to conflate the
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  Speaker 1: extreme with the majority of people who live good, decent lives. Well, again,
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  Speaker 1: I doubt that's going to happen, but I thought the
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  Speaker 1: article was interesting from the standpoint of the radicalization as
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  Speaker 1: far as just being religious, because there's a whole element
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  Speaker 1: of that that came into play here with Chad Daybell
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  Speaker 1: being a key factor. So that's something we're going to
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  Speaker 1: explore as we continue to move forward and lay some
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  Speaker 1: more of these context episodes as the trial rolls on.
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  Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
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  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with the episode can
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  Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
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  Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. We're learning a lot more
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  Speaker 1: about Lori Vallow and her behavior leading up to the
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  Speaker 1: murder of her two children. And to say that that
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  Speaker 1: behavior was bizarre is quite the understatement. So today we
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  Speaker 1: have an article from Law and Crime. And in this article,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to learn seven facts about Lori Vallow Daybell. Headline,
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  Speaker 1: a total narcissist. Seven shocking things about accused killer Lori Vallow,
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  Speaker 1: including how she got her garish red lipstick. This article
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  Speaker 1: was authored by Colin Kambacher and Annette Levy. The triple
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  Speaker 1: murder trial for Lori Vallow Daybell, 49, a doomsday cult
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  Speaker 1: connected mother of two dead children and two dead ex-husbands,
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  Speaker 1: began this week with jury selection. A process that will
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  Speaker 1: wrap up Friday morning. Opening statements are scheduled to begin
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: on Monday, April 10th. And the jury selection process went
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: pretty smoothly, honestly. There really weren't that many hiccups. We
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: had some people who didn't show up, stuff like that, but...
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: It wasn't a circus or anything like that whatsoever. And
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: things moved in a very efficient manner. And it leads
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: us to Monday with opening statements. John Glatt is the
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: author of The Doomsday Mother, Lori Vallow, Chad Daybell, and
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: The End of an American Family, a book from St.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Martin's Press about the life and times of the Mormon
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: woman who eventually came to believe certain people had become
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: inhabited by zombies that had distinct names, as they turned
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: away from the light and moved greater into darkness. I mean,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: did you eat a whole bag of mushrooms? 25 caps
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and 15 stems? Because that's the only way that I
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: can see anybody thinking anything like this is real. And
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: zombies have to be killed. Some of those would-be zombies,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: law enforcement say, were her children that she is alleged
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: to have killed. Her adopted son, Joshua Jackson J.J. Vallow, 7,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: and her biological daughter, Tylee Ashlyn Ryan, 17. The murders
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: are believed to have occurred sometime in September of 2019.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Both children went missing on different dates that same month.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: The defendant and her current husband, Chad Daybell, are also
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: charged with the October 2019 murder of Tammy Daybell, 49.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: During a recent episode of Sidebar, Glad discussed several interesting
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: facts about Lori Vallow's life before and after she was
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: arrested and charged with the murder of her children and
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell's first wife. So it's always interesting to get
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a look behind the curtain, right?
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: What their life was like and what might have led
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: somebody to the point where they think it's a good
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: idea to murder their children. She once competed on Wheel
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: of Fortune and won. Vallow told her sister that she
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: received a message from God that she needed to appear
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: on the long-running game show co-hosted by Pat Sajak and
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Vanna White, Glatz said. She auditioned for the show and
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: made it on, the author told Sidebar. While on the show,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: around 2001 or 2002, she was bantering with Sajak and
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: mentioned her then-husband, Joe Ryan, who she was divorcing. She
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: also mentioned her two children at the time, Tylee Ashlyn
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Ryan and and Kobe Ryan. She ended up winning $ 17, 500.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that God never told her to go
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: on the Wheel of Fortune. And she told everybody it
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: was a gift from God, Glad said. I mean, I'm
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: not a religious person or anything, but I would think
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: that God has other things to do than tell Lori
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Vallow that she should be going on to Wheel of Fortune.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I would think that God's a pretty busy guy, right?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of stuff going on, you would think.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: She also competed in the Miss Texas pageant and lost.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: While married to business analyst Joe Ryan, Tylee Ryan's biological father,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the defendant won the Miss Hayes County pageant in Texas
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: in 2004. She would go on to compete in the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Miss Texas pageant and made it through to the semifinal
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: round of 15 contestants. And you see, it's already apparent
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: that Lori Vallow thinks that she's talking to God. So
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: she'd be way more susceptible to somebody showing up and saying, hey, look,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I'm a prophet. I'm this, I'm that. And God has
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: sent me. Imagine if you're not a religious person and
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: somebody tries that on you. The defendant, then 30, took
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: part in the swimsuit portion and formal gown portion. Glad
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: recalled that her answer during the interview portion of the
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: show was very interesting. And for me, these sorts of
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: articles are very enlightening. Because it gives us a look
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: behind the curtain into their personal life. Not just what
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: we see in the media in the aftermath of them
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: being called a criminal. Being a good mom is very
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: important to me. And a good wife. And a good worker.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: She said in response to a question about what made
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: her tick. And being all of those things together is
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: not easy. So I'm basically a ticking time bomb. Talk
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: about foreshadowing, huh? She's telling the whole world here. on
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Wheel of Fortune, that she's a ticking time bomb, and
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: then fast forward to when the murders happened, and, well,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: she wasn't lying, was she? She believed her slain daughter
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: was her dead sister reincarnated. Lori Vallow has long believed
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: that she was in contact with the spirits from behind
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: the veil. Glad told Sidebar. The accused child killer believed
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: that her late sister, Stacy Lynn Cox Cope, who died
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: at 31 from diabetes-related complications in 1998, often spoke to
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: her at night. On top of that, the author said,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Vallow firmly believed that her daughter, Tylee Ryan, was actually
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: the reincarnation of her dead sister. I mean, we're obviously
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: dealing with somebody here who can be molded, who can
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: be led a certain direction. Anyone who's believing this sort
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: of thing is certainly in jeopardy of falling under the
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: spell of some kind of charlatan like Chad Daybell, right?
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: And as I've said before, she has already harbored all
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: of this weird shit. And Daybell was just a catalyst
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: to bring that other face out of her. After Cope died,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Vallow assumed something like the role of a second mother
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: to her daughter, Melanie Pawlowski Nibudro. Glatt said, Melanie Pawlowski
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: is among a lengthy list of family members and other
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: individuals who could be called as a witness by the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: prosecution as the trial moves on to testimony next week.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: While spending much time with her niece after Cope's death,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Vallow was convinced that she was in constant contact with Stacey. Now,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: what would you do if this was your relative and
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: they were talking all sorts of reckless like this? I mean,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: what do you do in a situation like this? I
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: don't have the answers. I mean, I guess you could
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: try and contact somebody to get them put into a
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: mental institution or something. But when Charles Vallow tried to
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: do that, he was basically laughed at by the police.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: So I don't even know what you would do in
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: a situation like this. Besides, Extricate yourself from it and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: not be around people who are espousing this sort of
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: wild nonsense. Melanie Pawlowski doesn't believe her aunt helped to
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: raise her after the tragedy, but told East Idaho News
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: director Nate Eaton that Lori Vallow would often take her
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: out and go do fun things, and that her aunts
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and uncles were so important in my life. She danced
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: to religious music in front of a mirror late at night. Well,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: is that how she called the spirits? Did she have
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: to do a special dance? Maybe do the hokey pokey
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: and turn herself around so that the spirit of insert
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: person shows up to have a conversation with her? Vallow
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: has for years been fond of dancing, Glatt told Sidebar.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: This goes back a long way, the author told Law
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: and Crimes, Annette Levy. She even had her third husband,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Charles Vallow, give her a special room. He even built
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: a special room with a full-length mirror, and she would
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: turn on the music late at night and dance in
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: front of it. And this is something she did constantly,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: you know, wherever she lived. She always had mirrors up
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: and would dance. How come in my mind right now,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I'm envisioning witches dancing around a big pot of witch's brew?
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm envisioning here with Lori Vallow Daybell. Or
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: maybe she was just pulling the Buffalo Bill. Glatzermais at
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Valo's dancing is, perhaps, how she communicates with God, and
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: likely ongoing. The author said the inmates would say that
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: she still danced late at night in her cell. She
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: had a bedroom closet portal where her husband visited her. Oh, okay,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: that's nice, a little portal in your bedroom closet. Yeah,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: you're not batshit insane. Lori Vallow told her best friend,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Melanie Gibb, she could visit with her current husband, Chad Daybell,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: through a bedroom closet portal late at night. What she
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: really means is, she'd go into the closet and FaceTime
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: her dude. Daybell is also accused of the three triple
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: murder charges his wife faces, but will be tried separately.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Wherever Chad was, he would come and visit, and then
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: they had special portal in her bedroom closet, Glatz said,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: although he didn't come physically. He came spiritually, and they
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: would be able to talk and pray together and commune,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: you know, and make their plans, you know, for the
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: end of the world and how they were going to,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: you know, lead the 144,000 chosen people to the next life. Well, folks,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I think that we can all rest assured that Chad
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Daybell and Lori Vallow are going to shepherd us into
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: the next portion of life. When Charles Vallow filed for divorce,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: he noted a distinct change in Lori Vallow's worldview, writing
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: in one filing that his estranged wife believed she was
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: a god assigned to carry out the work of 144,000
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: at Christ's second coming in July of 2020. Gibb, another
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: potential witness for the prosecution, already testified extensively in the
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: case during Chad Daybell's preliminary hearing and, years ago, surreptitiously
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: recorded a phone call with the couple after they asked
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: her to lie about the whereabouts of the children. She
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: later turned that recording over to the police. Well, that's
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: a good thing. Imagine telling the police that your kids
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: are with this lady. Yeah, because Barney Fife over here
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: and his partner Huggy Bear, they're not going to check
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: in on those kids down in Arizona. They're just going
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: to take your word for it. She befriended other inmates
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: and they made her makeup. Oh, isn't that nice? Just
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: like Elaine Maxwell, huh? Welcome to the fold. Lori was
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: a total narcissist, Glatt told Sidebar. She really cared about
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: her appearance, and she liked to look her best in court.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: The author said the defendant befriended a collection of longtime
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: inmates when she was first arrested who helped her develop
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: a prison commissary-based makeup suite and routine. They taught her
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: how to make, you know, bright red lipstick, with Jolly
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Rancher candy, Glatt said, and you can see in the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: videos of her court appearance this garish red lipstick that
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: she had. And she also did eyeliner from pencils, and
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: this was like surviving behind bars for Lori to look
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: her best, and you know, when the cameras were on her.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: No wonder she looked like Ronald McDonald with that goofy-ass
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: red lipstick. Cameras are famously not being allowed in court
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: during the Lori Vallow trial. Glatt suggested that perhaps Judge
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Stephen Boyce declined to allow a live stream because the
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: accused murderess might play up to it and act like
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: she was at a Hollywood opening. Imagine on trial for
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the murder of your two children and you're worried about
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: wearing Jolly Rancher lipstick and the rest of this bullshit.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: She had numerous home salons as a hairdresser. Right from
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: the beginning, she was a hairdresser, Glatt told Sidebar. She
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: worked in salons in Texas, Arizona, and whatever. Aside from
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: the room of mirrors, Charles Vallow gave his wife a
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: home salon, the author said, as did her previous husband,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Joe Ryan. So she would have her clients over, cut
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: their hair, Glatt went on, she'd cut relations hair, and whatever,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: and that's what she liked to do. And supposedly she
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: was very good at it, you know? According to the author,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: working in salons as a beautician, focused on cutting hair,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: was the only job he could ever find any records
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: of Lori Vallow having held. before she met the men
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: that would keep her. So there it is, folks, seven
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: facts about Lori Vallow that help us get to know
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: her a little bit better as we wait for the
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: child to truly kick off in earnest starting next week.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: As for me, that's going to do it for this one.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with the episode can
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. We heard some pretty emotionally
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: charged testimony from Detective Hermosillo during his testimony. And we
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: also heard from Detective Hermosillo that Chad Daybell and the
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: lying that Chad Daybell and Alex Cox were engaging in
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: when he came there asking questions raised a bunch of
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: red flags. Those red flags ended up leading to a
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: search warrant. He went to a judge and and said, look,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: these guys are obviously lying, they're obviously being deceitful, and
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: we have to find where these kids are. So a judge,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: taking a look at what was going on, granted them
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: a warrant on probable cause because of the behavior of
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell and Alex Cox when they were questioned by
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: these police officers. Did they really think that their story
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: was going to hold up when a seasoned interrogator started
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: digging into it? I mean, look, I'm not an inspector
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: of any sort, okay? But if you were trying to
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: tell me that story, I wouldn't believe one second of it.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: You have no idea who Lori Vallow is? There is
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: demonstrable proof that that's a lie. And he's out here
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: talking this kind of nonsense out of the side of
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: his neck, thinking he's going to what, get off? That's
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: never going to happen. Why don't you and Lori Vallow
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: use one of your teleportation spells and boogie out? Oh,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: that's right. You don't have any powers. You're not a prophet.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: You're just a dumb jackass who preys upon vulnerable people.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: And Officer Hermosillo saw through your bullshit right away. So
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: today we have an article from People talking a little
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: bit more about Detective Hermosillo's testimony and some of the
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: red flags that were raised When he went to do
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: that wellness check. Headline. Chad Daybell told cops. He hardly
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: knew Lori Vallow Daybell. Even though they were married. This
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: article was authored. By Christine Pelasek. And Greg Hanlon. And
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: this article was published. By People Magazine. A detective for
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: police in Rexburg Idaho. Testified Tuesday. That when he first
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: approached Chad Daybell. In 2019. And asked him about Lori
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Vallow Daybell. Chad said he hardly knew Lori, despite the
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: fact that they'd been married for two weeks. Did Chad
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Daybell really think that the police didn't know all of
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: this already? They just showed up there blind and ignorant?
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: They already knew the deal? Detective Ray Armacillo took the
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: stand Tuesday and recounted when he came to Lori's home
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: to conduct a welfare check on Lori's son, J.J. Vallow,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: then seven, who had been reported missing by his grandparents.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: There were numerous things about the day that aroused his suspicions,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Hermosillo said. And when you have a seasoned cop, a
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: seasoned detective, a lot of them have gut feelings. And
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: when they walk into a certain situation like this, and
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: people aren't being truthful with them, it's going to raise
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of red flags. When Hermosillo asked Lori's brother,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox, where JJ was, Cox got a blank look
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: on his face. A frightened look, Hermosillo testified. And yeah,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: they knew the jig was up. I said this from
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the jump. That once the cops showed up at this apartment,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: they knew that the party was over. And it's just
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: a big coincidence, right? That Alex Cox happens to die
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: right after all of this gets set in motion. Just
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: a big coincidence. At that point, said Hermosillo, both Chad
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: and Cox looked at each other. It raised some red flags,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: the way they acted with that question. Cox then told
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Hermosillo that JJ was in Louisiana with Woodcock. And anytime
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: you have people who are changing their story around as
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: quickly as these people were changing their stories, you know
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: something is wrong. The question is at that point, what
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: exactly is wrong and where are these kids? I said
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't likely because Kay called in for the
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: welfare check. Cox and Chad both looked at each other again,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Hermosillo said. They really thought they were going to get
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: away with this. They truly thought that nobody was going
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: to look for these kids. When Hermosillo asked Chad for
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Lori's number, Chad said he didn't have it. I assumed
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: he was lying because they were close, Hermosillo testified. Again,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: it's not like these officers had no idea who they
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: were looking at or who they were looking for. Remember,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: they were asked to perform surveillance on Lori and Chad
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: as well. So they had information. They had intelligence. And
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: they weren't coming into this blind and not knowing what
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: they were doing. They knew exactly who they were looking
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: for and where they were looking for them. The problem
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: was those kids weren't there. And when Hermosillo asked Chad
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: about his relationship with Lori, he said that he hardly
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: knew her. Hermosillo testified, adding that he was suspicious because
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: authorities knew that Lori and Chad had been married two
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: weeks prior to contact. Subsequently, Hermosillo, who testified that his
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: visit to Lori's house allegedly showed deception and lies, got
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: a search warrant for the homes of Lori, her niece
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Melanie Boudreaux, and Cox. And if you go to the
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: judge and you say to the judge, look, The people
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: here are obviously being deceptive. They're lying. And I think
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: that there is probable cause for us to go and
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: toss their house. More times than not, a judge is
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: going to give you that probable cause warrant, especially if
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: there's another district, another police department that is involved and
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: asking you to put surveillance on these people, etc., etc.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: So it wasn't like they didn't have a bunch of
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: evidence to present to a judge. They most certainly did.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: And when the judge saw all of the evidence that
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: they presented, it was a no-brainer to give them that warrant.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: At that time, we felt there was something more going
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: on with the whereabouts of J.J., and we weren't getting
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: any cooperation from Chad or Alex Cox, said Hermosillo, who
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: later testified about making the grim discovery of the remains
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: of J.J. and Lori's daughter, Tylee Ryan, buried on Chad
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Daybell's property in 2020. So once they were deceitful with
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Detective Armacillo, and once his suspicions were aroused, it was
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: pretty much over for Lori Vallow, Chad Daybell, and Alex Cox.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: And we know that Alex Cox, he ended up dying.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: According to the coroner, he died of natural causes. But again,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I think that's a bit too convenient here, especially with
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: all of the other stuff we've talked about. I'm not
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: going to beat that dead horse again here, but the
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Narcan in the system, and the rest of it, I
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: think that that deserves a deeper look. And maybe Alex
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  Speaker 1: Cox's body needs to be exhumed and another autopsy needs
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  Speaker 1: to be done on Alex Cox. Because I think it's
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  Speaker 1: quite the coincidence that not only one of the key
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  Speaker 1: players in this whole entire sordid ordeal happens to die
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  Speaker 1: right after the walls start closing in, but he happens
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  Speaker 1: to die and it sure is convenient for Laurie Daybell
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  Speaker 1: and Chad Daybell, isn't it? Lori is on trial accused
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  Speaker 1: of the murders of her two children and conspiracy to
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  Speaker 1: commit first-degree murder in the death of Chad's first wife,
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell. Lori has pleaded not guilty to the charges. Chad,
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  Speaker 1: who is Lori's fifth husband, is also charged but will
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  Speaker 1: have a separate trial. He has also pleaded not guilty
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  Speaker 1: to all charges. And it's a benefit for Chad Daybell
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  Speaker 1: to be able to sit on the sidelines right now
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  Speaker 1: and see what the government has against Lori Vallow. you
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  Speaker 1: notice that his lawyer, Pryor, is in there every single
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  Speaker 1: day watching the proceedings. That's because they're looking to build
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  Speaker 1: their defense around what they see the prosecution has here.
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  Speaker 1: JJ and Tylee were reported missing after JJ's grandparents, Kay
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  Speaker 1: and Larry Woodcock, called authorities in Rexburg, Idaho in November
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  Speaker 1: of 2019 and learned that JJ and Tylee, who was
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  Speaker 1: last seen alive at age 16, hadn't been seen since
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  Speaker 1: September of that year. In June 2020, the remains of
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  Speaker 1: JJ and Tylee were found buried on a property belonging
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  Speaker 1: to Chad by Hermosillo and others. And again, how did
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  Speaker 1: those bodies get there, Chad Daybell? There is no reason
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  Speaker 1: under the sun that those children should have been buried
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  Speaker 1: on his property if he had nothing to do with it, right?
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  Speaker 1: Nobody did it without his knowledge. He knew exactly what
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  Speaker 1: was going on on that property. In fact, he was
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  Speaker 1: the ringleader. Remember, this is the cult leader, right? This
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  Speaker 1: is the big head honcho, the man with the prophecies,
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  Speaker 1: the guy that's going to lead 144,000 people and shepherd
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  Speaker 1: them through the end times. Meanwhile, he has no idea
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  Speaker 1: who buried these bodies on his property, huh? Okay, sure,
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  Speaker 1: we're buying all of that. What was left of Tylee
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  Speaker 1: was found. Charred remains, a mass of bone and tissues.
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  Speaker 1: That was what was left of this beautiful young woman.
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  Speaker 1: Fremont County Prosecuting Attorney Lindsay Blake said on Monday during
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  Speaker 1: opening statements, her DNA was discovered on a pickaxe and
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  Speaker 1: shovel later found in Daybell's shed. Again, how did that
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  Speaker 1: stuff get there, Chad Daybell? Now, I have no doubt
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  Speaker 1: once it's time for Chad Daybell's trial, he's going to
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  Speaker 1: be pointing fingers all over the place. It wasn't me.
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  Speaker 1: It was Alex Cox. It was Green Men from Neptune.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody but me. JJ was last seen September 23rd, 2019,
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  Speaker 1: and the last known image of Tylee was taken September 8th, 2019,
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  Speaker 1: while she was on a day trip to Yellowstone National
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  Speaker 1: Park with her mother, brother, and Lori's brother, Cox, according
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  Speaker 1: to a court filing. On December 12th, 2019, Cox died
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  Speaker 1: from a heart attack Lori has also been indicted in
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  Speaker 1: Arizona on one count of conspiracy to commit first degree
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  Speaker 1: murder in connection with the death of her fourth husband,
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  Speaker 1: Charles Vallow, who was shot to death in 2019. Lori
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  Speaker 1: and Cox said the shooting was in self-defense and Lori
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  Speaker 1: has pleaded not guilty. Imagine being involved in all of
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  Speaker 1: these people who are just dropping dead around you and
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  Speaker 1: then acting like you have nothing to do with it ever.
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  Speaker 1: In March, a judge ruled that Lori will not face
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  Speaker 1: the death penalty in her current murder trial. She faces
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  Speaker 1: life in prison if convicted. Lori's trial in Idaho is ongoing.
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  Speaker 1: And when we look back on all of this after
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  Speaker 1: the trial is over and all is said and done,
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  Speaker 1: Detective Hermosillo is going to come out as one of
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  Speaker 1: the quote-unquote heroes in this story. This guy showed up.
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  Speaker 1: saw that Daybell and Alex Cox were obviously lying, went
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  Speaker 1: to the judge, got the warrant, and got everything put
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  Speaker 1: in motion for where we are today. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. All of
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  Speaker 1: the information that goes with the episode can be found
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  Speaker 1: in the description box.