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INTERVIEW: Keke Palmer & Boots Riley on Capitalism, Hollywood & New Film 'I Love Boosters' · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day we clicks up the Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 2: You don't finish for y'all done morning.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody is DJ Envy just hilarious, Charlamagne to God. We
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  Speaker 3: are the breakfast Club. Lawla roases here as well. We
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  Speaker 3: got some special guests in the building.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, Kiki and Boots Riley welcome.
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  Speaker 4: I'm good man.
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  Speaker 1: You can hit your cold in here.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't reason. I don't know why y'all had it
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  Speaker 4: so cold like that. I know trip, but you know
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  Speaker 4: I tried to be cute. That's what happened. When you
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  Speaker 4: try to be cute before you think about being warm.
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  Speaker 2: You look nice.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks new movie. I love Boosters.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so excited.
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  Speaker 1: Just gonna love this week.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was my first job.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all know that my best work, your best work.
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  Speaker 2: You feel like that about every film.
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  Speaker 1: I've only done three things.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, boy, I'm a virgo in this one. It's a
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  Speaker 5: TV show, okay, Yeah, yeah, y'all didn't have us on.
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  Speaker 1: So so why I love Boosters? Were you a Booster
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  Speaker 1: back in the day? And he was like, this is something.
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  Speaker 5: That I was a broke rapper trying to stay fly
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  Speaker 5: and so yeah, so you gotta you gotta know some boosters,
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  Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, And and and also seeing
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  Speaker 5: the fact that they do provide a community service, like
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  Speaker 5: you know, uh, the the you know, the the culture
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  Speaker 5: that black folks have and other communities of color have influences,
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  Speaker 5: you know, a lot of the big fashion houses, and
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  Speaker 5: then it gets sold back to us.
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  Speaker 1: So that's with a lot.
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  Speaker 5: Of culture and and right now and actually for a
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  Speaker 5: long time, people have not been getting paid enough.
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  Speaker 1: So these are these are services.
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  Speaker 5: You know, back to school clothes, to to just whatever,
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  Speaker 5: you know, And so yeah, it's illegal, but the morality
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  Speaker 5: is the same as the as what's happening in capitalism anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Right, That's what I love about your films.
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  Speaker 6: Your films always try to expose how capitalism psychologically reshapes people.
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  Speaker 2: Like that, is that the thing that gives you the
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  Speaker 2: most in society.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, it's I'm not as scared as I
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  Speaker 5: am hopeful, because you know, I do see a path
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  Speaker 5: to where we can change things. And that's like what
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  Speaker 5: my art has always been about, is the fact that
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  Speaker 5: you know, uh.
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  Speaker 1: We know how power works.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Power doesn't come just from popularity or whatever. It comes
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  Speaker 5: from capital you know, that's what the you know, that's
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  Speaker 5: what moves the needle, and the working.
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  Speaker 1: Class can have a say over what happens with that capital.
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  Speaker 1: We can have a movement where you uh where you.
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  Speaker 5: Where we control the capital collectively, right, and so that's
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  Speaker 5: uh strikes work, stoppages.
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  Speaker 1: Things like that. You know, have you seen boosters crazy recently?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Growing up as a kid, boosters used to go to
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  Speaker 3: Macy's right and put some stuff under there and run out. Right,
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  Speaker 3: it was one or two, But now it seems like
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  Speaker 3: they're getting ridiculous. Like there it's like teams of people
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  Speaker 3: running in stores, kicking down doors.
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  Speaker 1: And see, I don't see that.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't consider that boosting.
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  Speaker 7: See like I like like how I like how it's
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  Speaker 7: presented in the movie.
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  Speaker 4: Because although yes, it is illegal, and you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I love I.
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  Speaker 7: Did, but what I was doing when I did it
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  Speaker 7: because I grew up in a you know a lot
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  Speaker 7: of people couldn't afford the luxury, you know, the luxurious
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  Speaker 7: things for their kids going back to school. Moms couldn't
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  Speaker 7: even buy school supplies or anything like that. So I
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  Speaker 7: wasn't just stealing clothes just to put them on. I
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  Speaker 7: was stealing them and I was selling them at the
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  Speaker 7: price like even you know, notebooks divided everything that that
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  Speaker 7: mom divided.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah you.
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  Speaker 2: Can't, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And we focused on closing the movie. But this household
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  Speaker 1: good people have. Did you have.
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  Speaker 3: A couple of months ago, I didn't you want to
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  Speaker 3: say traps just to see if I could steal.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you know, did you have any experience with
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  Speaker 2: stealing boosting before?
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  Speaker 8: I only had to try to steal something once when
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  Speaker 8: I was like five, I tried to steal recy cups.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and my sister told me she was a snitch.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, different, have you ever bought from boosters
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  Speaker 4: before as a kid?
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  Speaker 8: I didn't know they were boosters? But that's all my
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  Speaker 8: I was the kids, So that's all my family could afford,
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  Speaker 8: you know, so you go through the little neighborhood sales basically,
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  Speaker 8: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: But I wasn't like knowing that it was a booster.
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  Speaker 8: I never knew the name of a booster until I
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  Speaker 8: watched Baby Boy, and I was like, oh, that's who those.
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  Speaker 4: People are, you know.
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  Speaker 8: But my aunties at the nails at their hair salons
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  Speaker 8: and stuff. I mean, I didn't know there was a
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  Speaker 8: name for that I thought those people just selling us stuff.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, recently it's been in the news a lot,
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  Speaker 5: like you just talked about. But if you check out
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  Speaker 5: The Intercept, which is an investigative journalist's site with award
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  Speaker 5: winning investigative journalists, they exposed that all of these police
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  Speaker 5: unions came together in the wake of the George Floyd
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  Speaker 5: protests and hired publicists and said, hey, we're gonna stop
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  Speaker 5: talking about police murder and all of that, and we're
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  Speaker 5: just gonna hype up the idea that crime is rising.
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  Speaker 5: And in a lot of the places where they're saying
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  Speaker 5: it is, it actually wasn't. But there were more news
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  Speaker 5: stories and then you started seeing Instagram sites hyping those
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  Speaker 5: things up. And a lot of those Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: Sites had T shirt sales.
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  Speaker 5: I don't see people wearing the T shirts, but they
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  Speaker 5: tell me that they're wearing a lot of they're selling
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  Speaker 5: a lot of shirts. So they kept this news cycle going,
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  Speaker 5: and it's the same thing that's been going on in
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  Speaker 5: the early nineteen hundreds. You always had these things come
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  Speaker 5: that said like Negro crime wave, and that's what led
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  Speaker 5: to those first Atlanta race massacres, and that's what led
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  Speaker 5: to the Black Wall Street, Tulsa Race Massacre.
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  Speaker 1: They kept being Negro crime Wave, Negro crime Wave.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's part and obviously crime happens, that's what
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  Speaker 5: we're saying in the movie. I mean, because poverty is
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  Speaker 5: necessitated by capitalism, so you're gonna have illegal business. However,
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  Speaker 5: you know, however, they use it as the scapegoat for
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  Speaker 5: what's wrong with the world instead of talking about the
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  Speaker 5: boosting that's happening every day, the boosting that's happened when
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  Speaker 5: you go to work.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you have a background in organizing an activisiness.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I started when I was four, fourteen and fifteen.
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  Speaker 5: I joined the Progressive Labor Party, which is a disciplined
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  Speaker 5: communist party, and I, you know, I decided I should
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  Speaker 5: get good at rapping. I was not good when I decided,
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  Speaker 5: Like people are like you sure you.
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  Speaker 2: Know that's worth somebody saying you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, No, I mean I knew, and I knew
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  Speaker 5: I was not good, right so but but you know,
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  Speaker 5: I knew that you could figure out how to do
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  Speaker 5: stuff and figure out and I studied it and you know,
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  Speaker 5: pat myself on the back. I did get known as
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  Speaker 5: a lyricist, so you know, that it was with this
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  Speaker 5: idea of putting these ideas out there that we could
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  Speaker 5: have a different world, one where the people democratically control
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  Speaker 5: the wealth that we create with our labor.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the goal.
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  Speaker 5: But just also put in into context where we're at
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  Speaker 5: right now.
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  Speaker 6: I love the fact that you put you know, these
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  Speaker 6: messages in the art, but the success in Hollywood ever
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  Speaker 6: conflict with like anti establishment.
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  Speaker 5: Values, you know, everything is a contradiction that and and so.
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  Speaker 5: But the thing is is like, that's where we're at.
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  Speaker 5: We're in this world, right, so we can't we can't
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  Speaker 5: get out of it right without working together. And and
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  Speaker 5: so I need to get put the stuff out there
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  Speaker 5: on the platform. And that platform is created by the
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  Speaker 5: world that we're in. And I'm not I'm not trying
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  Speaker 5: to go out in the woods and be like I'm
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  Speaker 5: free from society, you know, because even if I could
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  Speaker 5: do that, which I don't think you can, that's that's
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  Speaker 5: not the point, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I want. I want to help change the world, not
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  Speaker 1: just be free of it. What was your first when
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  Speaker 1: you read the script?
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  Speaker 4: Man, this dude got a lot going on, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean.
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  Speaker 8: I already was a fan, you know, and I was
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  Speaker 8: just really excited that I was going to have the
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  Speaker 8: opportunity to work with him. So I remember just being like,
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  Speaker 8: I really want to talk to him, and see you
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  Speaker 8: don't get to know him and everything. So I read
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  Speaker 8: the script loved it, and then I remember we met up.
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  Speaker 8: We had a quick phone conversation, and then we met
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  Speaker 8: up for lunch and we talked for like four hours
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  Speaker 8: because he was just something you see him, you know
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  Speaker 8: what I'm saying. And I was just immediately just blown away.
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  Speaker 8: It was like I was in school with a professor.
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  Speaker 8: This's my favorite professor, you know what I'm saying, learning
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  Speaker 8: about life. We was talking about everything, and I knew
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  Speaker 8: that I had to do the movie, so it was
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  Speaker 8: it was pretty pretty easy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and she's given me a lot of credit. But
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  Speaker 5: if you sit and talk to Kiki, she's like a professor.
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  Speaker 5: I'm always like, damn, I need to just be quiet.
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  Speaker 5: Let her talk about the movie, you know, because yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you know, she has a way of condensing ideas into
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  Speaker 5: something that where you're looking at the main contradiction and
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  Speaker 5: the main conflict and it's understandable. And I think over
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  Speaker 5: the years, people are going to start talking about her
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  Speaker 5: as a philosopher, you know, because you know, because I
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  Speaker 5: do think that, you know, she's one of our She's
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  Speaker 5: one of the most loved beings on the planet right now.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously like Kiki, everybody wants to you to see all
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  Speaker 5: these things people, but she is really putting herself out
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  Speaker 5: there and looking to do good work. So I love
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  Speaker 5: being able to work with her. Now, what I will
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  Speaker 5: say about this, We're talking a lot about a lot
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  Speaker 5: of serious things, but this movie is a you know,
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  Speaker 5: the whole thing is there's optimism connected to these ideas,
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  Speaker 5: so it comes with joy, it comes with hilarity. And
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  Speaker 5: I've played this movie thirty five times. I've watched this
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  Speaker 5: movie thirty five times on tour. I took the old
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  Speaker 5: school independent music route and going college to our college
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  Speaker 5: community screenings, all this kind of stuff. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's like people laughing too much over the next line.
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  Speaker 5: That's sort of a thing, and you know, just just uh,
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  Speaker 5: that's one of the reasons I said, I.
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  Speaker 3: Know, I think that's always missing it and I tell
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  Speaker 3: it to everybody, right, I don't want to say back
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  Speaker 3: in the day.
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  Speaker 1: But back in the day, people were.
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  Speaker 3: More hand in hand, right, they were going to colleges.
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  Speaker 3: They were going to high school. They were going to
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  Speaker 3: see people touch people. Not just worried we didn't have
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  Speaker 3: the internet, you know what I mean. They were worried
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  Speaker 3: about let me see somebody, let me get a reaction.
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  Speaker 3: They were going hand in hand, still hearing out flyers. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and I feel like we missed that so much. We're
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  Speaker 3: so used to this and the algorithm and what his.
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  Speaker 3: But I think when you go to meet people where
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  Speaker 3: they're at, it's better than anything else. I just remember
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  Speaker 3: being in Hampton and seeing the from Big the jay
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  Speaker 3: Z coming on campus and what that means to me.
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  Speaker 3: To now, it's like everybody's ask, is there a check off?
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  Speaker 3: New check I ain't coming, And I think that that
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  Speaker 3: means more to people than anything else.
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  Speaker 9: I remember this. You got to do that, though, like
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  Speaker 9: you got to touch.
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  Speaker 8: The people with something like this, because I felt like
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  Speaker 8: that when we boosted the gas in lah Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 8: some gas for people that we're giving out free gas,
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  Speaker 8: and it was just so dope to be out there
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  Speaker 8: with the people and we were just really out there
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  Speaker 8: talking and getting people getting some gas. You know, it's
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  Speaker 8: because gas was seven dollars tripping in La damn yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 8: we needed that.
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  Speaker 4: We needed that.
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  Speaker 9: How did you choose which groups, like which people you
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  Speaker 9: were going to have a conversation with, like you have
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  Speaker 9: like black community and our things, and then you talk
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  Speaker 9: about like aging community, and then there's like an intersection.
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  Speaker 1: Are you talking about when we did the tour?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 5: No, no, no, you know, I mean it's hard to break
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  Speaker 5: down when it started, but I was thinking about, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the production of things and the distribution of things, because
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  Speaker 5: you know, boosting is not outside of capitalism, it's part
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  Speaker 5: of capitalism, right, and so it's just a certain distribution network.
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  Speaker 1: So while I was thinking.
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  Speaker 5: About the services that that boosters provide, I was started
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  Speaker 5: thinking about how things are made of other things and
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  Speaker 5: really are made of people's time, right, Like all this
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  Speaker 5: stuff we got, somebody made it, somebody spent time on it,
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  Speaker 5: and that time they might have been rather you know,
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  Speaker 5: hanging out with their family. So that's usually what we're selling.
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  Speaker 5: This is the time that we would be doing something else.
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  Speaker 5: So I started thinking about that, and so I started
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  Speaker 5: thinking about, you know, the factories that make it.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, you could go back to.
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  Speaker 5: When people are you know, harvesting the fibers and things
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  Speaker 5: like that, but you know the factories that make it.
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  Speaker 1: And I was thinking about how to put these groups together.
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  Speaker 8: And there's a thing that we talked about in the
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  Speaker 8: movie where it's like we're all on one side of
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  Speaker 8: the same contradiction. So I think it's easy wherever your
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  Speaker 8: collective group is, to just be focused on how things
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  Speaker 8: are affecting you. But I love what I love what
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  Speaker 8: the movie does is it actually showcases how everybody's being
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  Speaker 8: affected and they own different way by the same thing,
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  Speaker 8: and how are we actually being activated together. You know,
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  Speaker 8: you have the Demi Moore's character where we have Christy Smith,
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  Speaker 8: she's the big bad villain. But then when you see
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  Speaker 8: Corvette my character with the Velvet Gang, and you see
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  Speaker 8: how quick she is to be like, yo, give me
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  Speaker 8: the thing from Populu who come from China, and she's like, yo,
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  Speaker 8: I got the teleporter and she's like, YO, give me
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  Speaker 8: this so we.
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  Speaker 4: Can get what we get done.
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  Speaker 8: And you already can see that the same mechanism is happening.
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  Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, The same side, one side
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  Speaker 8: of the same contradictions.
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  Speaker 2: That contradiction capitalism, the system, yes, okay.
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  Speaker 8: God yeah, And it's affecting us all absolutely in our
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  Speaker 8: own way, and it make us think, because we're in
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  Speaker 8: our own problems, that is that this is this is
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  Speaker 8: this is just me. But really it's the same issue
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  Speaker 8: affecting us all. And I think that ties back to
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  Speaker 8: the whole thing Boots are saying is that if we
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  Speaker 8: can get outside of of just ours, you know, then
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  Speaker 8: we can't actually see that the people around us, all
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  Speaker 8: dealing with the same thing in their.
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  Speaker 2: Own fashion, is going to impact you.
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  Speaker 6: I was having this conversation yesterday, and I was talking
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  Speaker 6: about how, like, you know, middle class white people are
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  Speaker 6: the ones that should be speaking out the most right now,
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  Speaker 6: because the America that they loved their whole life is
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  Speaker 6: going to be completely different in five to ten years
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  Speaker 6: if we don't figure out, you know, how to take
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  Speaker 6: care of the least of us.
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  Speaker 8: I would say, the country is only as good as
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  Speaker 8: their as their worst person.
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  Speaker 5: And mind you, some of those middle class white people
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  Speaker 5: are making like twenty two thousand a year or something
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  Speaker 5: like that, right, And but like they're able to say
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  Speaker 5: their middle class by looking.
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  Speaker 1: At h at black.
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  Speaker 5: Folks in communities of color and being like, oh, I'm different, right,
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  Speaker 5: So there is that middle class is act. The real
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  Speaker 5: middle class is actually smaller and they're really just the
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  Speaker 5: working class, right, But.
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  Speaker 6: Those are the people who should be able to say, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: what America would be better if billionaires paying their FACI.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And you know a lot of the way that that
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  Speaker 5: they ended up electing that people ended up electing Trump
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  Speaker 5: was that group thought, oh, he's like a class trader,
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  Speaker 5: he's in the ruling class, but he's going to help
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  Speaker 5: us out.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 5: So even a lot of the ideas that I talk
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  Speaker 5: about people agree with already, like but they just don't
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  Speaker 5: use the same terms maybe or whatever. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: everybody knows that, everybody knows the idea that that okay,
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  Speaker 5: quote unquote power is money is power, right, and they
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  Speaker 5: know they don't have power. And so we know all
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  Speaker 5: of these ideas, but we haven't seen a lot of
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  Speaker 5: us haven't seen a movement that we think could win, right,
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  Speaker 5: And that's the that's that's the big differ.
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  Speaker 8: And I think there's so much fear around what it
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  Speaker 8: looks like to actually create a movement, especially when you
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  Speaker 8: think about the different leaders. You know, usually there's a
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  Speaker 8: leader or there's a group, there's somebody that's stretching the past,
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  Speaker 8: and I think there's a lot of fear behind that.
• 16:40
  Speaker 8: You know, the end of the day, you see so
• 16:42
  Speaker 8: much stuff. I know, with the money, we don't see
• 16:43
  Speaker 8: so much dismantled, you know. So it gets to a
• 16:45
  Speaker 8: point where you're like, well, if I'm just gonna stand
• 16:47
  Speaker 8: out there, I'm not just gonna get God.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: And that's it. And then y'all go just name a holiday.
• 16:50
  Speaker 8: I have to mean, like, what does it actually mean
• 16:52
  Speaker 8: for us all to be on the front line, especially
• 16:54
  Speaker 8: in this day and age, Because I get to the
• 16:55
  Speaker 8: point where it's like, I don't want any more of
• 16:57
  Speaker 8: my friends dying. I don't want to say let's go
• 16:59
  Speaker 8: out there now you in jail, or you separated from
• 17:01
  Speaker 8: your family because ice came and got you, you know
• 17:03
  Speaker 8: what I mean.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: So it gets to a.
• 17:04
  Speaker 8: Point of how do you think the way that we
• 17:07
  Speaker 8: think about organizing in community? You know, it has to
• 17:10
  Speaker 8: be evolved more than just being out there standing out there.
• 17:13
  Speaker 8: It's like, how do we actually get together?
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: How do we plan?
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: I think a blueprint is what they did in Minnesota,
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: right like you saw people, You saw them have hundreds
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: of thousands, maybe millions of people who knows come out
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: in the dead of winter when it was cold and
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: for to help folks that are targeted by ice, and
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: they got some traction. It was a one day thing,
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: so it was it was you know, part of it
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: was symbolic, but it did like lay a blueprint of
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: what we could do. I mean, you put it like this.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: Obviously we all know that that money moves the needle.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: In Italy, they had a prime minister. They have a
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: prime minister that's as right wing or maybe more right
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: wing than Donald Trump, if that's possible.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: And and she was totally on is totally on board with.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: Israel and the genocide that they're uh committing in the
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: US is committing with them.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: But they had a general strike.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: And they shut down the ports, shut down all this trade,
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: and they forced her to send out the navy to
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: protect the floatill of the Gaza.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Now that's where the lever is.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter if you get thirty million people out
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: on the street. You know, it's about the levers of capitalism.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: What how does that work?
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Same thing.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: You look at likely different.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Conversation, you attack yeah.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, minute, and you look at it, ran like what
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: happened there, Like The most forceful thing that Iran was
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: able to do is shut the straight of her moves money.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: It wasn't artillery shells, it was money, right, and that
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: that that's the closest thing. And the working class in
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: the US, we could make a bunch of straits of
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: horror moves as far as money loss and make that happen.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: We're just not organized there right now.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Let me have both of y'all.
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: When you look at America today, do you see a
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: country evolving or just finding newer ways to market like
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: the same system?
• 19:23
  Speaker 8: I think, I mean, I imagine yes, to some degree there's
• 19:26
  Speaker 8: some evolution, but I do feel like we've see in
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: a lot of the regurgitation of the new face of
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: the same thing, you know, And I don't really know
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: how you how you get out of that, you know.
• 19:36
  Speaker 8: I feel like we talk about that in the movie too,
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: where there's this idea where I don't know that there's
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: like one click of the thing where you're going to
• 19:41
  Speaker 8: have a big solution's boom, it's done. And I think
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: that the fact that that doesn't exist actually is what
• 19:47
  Speaker 8: stops us from moving. But there can be small things
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: that are done that can make your life better or
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: the people around you's life better tomorrow.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: And I think often we feel like and it almost
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: is like.
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: It's a way that keeps us back to think that
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: I've got to do this big thing, when really I
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: could just help the person next to me, you know,
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: I can help the community of where I am today.
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: I don't have to think about what's happening all the
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: way across the world that maybe I don't have access to,
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: but I.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Can do something in my community right now.
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: And that's something that I also do love about the
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: movie is that it kind of rephrases this idea that
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: you're gonna change that you've got to change the world
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: as a whole. You got to, you know what I mean.
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: But it's like you can change your world, you.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: Know, and it'll have an effect on that world, right
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: it'll have a because well, I don't want to give
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: up the movie, but you know, yeah, it's all connected, and.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: I want, you know, I want to just to go
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: back for a second. We talked about the movie live
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: we broke down. But where did the inspiration come from
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: the movie? What was in your life during the time
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: that was like cool?
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: Well, twenty years ago I wrote a song called I
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: Love Boosters and it's on the album Pick a Bigger Weapon,
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: and it was So it's more, this wasn't that song
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: didn't inspire the movie, but the inspiration came from the
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: same place. And really, and it's like I was saying,
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: like there's a lot of folks getting villainized and being
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: used as a scapegoat for the problems that exist in
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: our world. And really what happens is is that capitalism
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: must have unemployment in order to exist. If the unemployment
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: rate goes too low, you'll see pundits complaining and worrying
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: because how they keep wages low and say, oh, we
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: got all these people to replace you, so they need
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: they need an army of unemployed workers to keep wages low.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Now, because they need that.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: If they got an army of unemployed workers, then they
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: got an army of.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Unemployed people who want to eat. Right, So you're gonna.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: Have illegal business, and that's built into it. So capitalism
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: necessitates poverty, which necessitates illegal business and what we call crime,
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: because this is veryry arbitrary what we call in crime,
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: right and and and so if if you have that,
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: then you then you need how do you tell the
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: whole working class that hey, the system you're in means
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: some of y'all got to be poor, some of y'all
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: got to not have housing. You don't you say it's
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: all merit based, and and you say, hey, the reason
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: that these folks are poor is because of their culture,
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: and so you place it all on black folks or
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: people of color, even though the poverty is going all
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: over the place, and you're like and and so they
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: can say, like, look, the reason they're poor is because
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: their culture doesn't teach them the right things or their
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: culture is deficient. And that's where the the that's where
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: uh where capitalism uh necessitates poverty and the illegal business
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: where capitalist and therefore necessitates racist tropes.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Right, Because that.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: Way you tell that, you even make the white working
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: class be like, well, I'm not like them, you know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: like my I'm just waiting for my I'm just right
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: now temporarily uh messed up.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: So what we have right now is and in the song,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I talk.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: About mainly uh, black women because that's what I encountered
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: as boosters, right, and obviously it happens all over the place, right,
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: but but so, but what also what gets villainized are
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: black women. So so that's what the song, that's what
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: the movie is uplifting.
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: It's not just capitalism though, right and the mo it's
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: consumerism and image culture too.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: What do those roles play.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, I look at consumerism as just a byproduct
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: of you know, you know, it's not you know, and
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: I don't really know exactly the.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Idea of value too.
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, you're talking a lot about the way that
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: people are trying to obtain value for themselves. Really people
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: want agency, but a lot of times because of consumerism
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: telling you that this is what will give you value,
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: you believe that's how you're going to find that agency.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: That's for sure.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: Yeating the labels, you know what I mean, just to
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: feel better about yourself.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: And our movie does touch on that, but it's not
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: really about that as much as it is. I mean,
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: the thing that we do have in there is Demi
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: Moore lives in this crazy place that's based on a
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: thing in the Bay or in the Bay Area. We
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: got this millennium tower that people paid millions of dollars
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: for each condo, and it was built wrong. It's like
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: leaning on like a couple inches. But so we exaggerate that.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: But that's this arbitrary notion of value that's placed on there.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: And you know, I don't know if the movie. Maybe
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: I'm wrong, but I think the movie talks about consumerism,
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: but in the it's not. That's not really the the
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: what we're putting as the problem. It's more like a
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: thing that happens.
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I was just gonna say, I guess the interesting
• 25:15
  Speaker 8: thing is why using that as a portal into talking
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: about why using fashion as a portal to get into
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: a discussion?
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: And Corvette uh ke Ky's character.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: Is idolizes Tom's characters, so she wants to be that.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: So that's more like, you know what it is, she
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: wants to be that designer. She that that is doing
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: what what what to me Moore's character, Christy Smith is doing,
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: and so she's into it that brand more because probably
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: how it is it makes you feel like it's a
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: it's getting close to freedom, right, Like people want a
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: life where they could do whatever they want to do,
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: where they can control.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: I think that's why we get so weird in this
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: time where it's like.
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: People do want to be CEOs, people do want to
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: be founders, but then at the same time there's this
• 26:05
  Speaker 8: idea where you're on that climb, and we see Corvette
• 26:07
  Speaker 8: go through this, and even as an entertainer, I understand
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: that I feel like any of us will where it's like,
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: at some point, when does this, When does this not
• 26:15
  Speaker 8: become serviceable to everybody around me on my climb to
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: trying to be great or trying to make sure that
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: I have the agency I need or the freedom that
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: I think I need at some point And we really
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: see this mirroring happening between Corvette and Demi Moore's character
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: Christy Smith, where in Corvette's world she has to she
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: has to see how how she's now what she's idolizing,
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: what it's actually asking her to operate from, which is individualism. Individualism,
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: that's what capitalism says, in order to be where you
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: want to be, in order to be that founder, be
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: that entrepreneur, be that person, it's almost like you got
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: to leave people behind, or you got to step on heads.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Well, you asked, when you ask the question.
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: It stops being serviceable when you stop being of service.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: To other people.
• 26:58
  Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, I think that there's a moment in the
• 27:01
  Speaker 9: movie too where you realize that that is the real
• 27:03
  Speaker 9: power and understanding because the whole time, I feel like
• 27:06
  Speaker 9: it's like you're on this dream chase, but at the
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: same time, the dream is because you want the power
• 27:10
  Speaker 9: of your life, but also the power to make your
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: situation better. But then you realize kind of the flip on,
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: you know.
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: Service, and that she's ignoring everybody around her that's going
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: through the same thing. That's what capitalism also does because
• 27:19
  Speaker 8: we're so.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: So in survival mode.
• 27:22
  Speaker 8: We're not looking to the right and the left and
• 27:23
  Speaker 8: see everybody's in survival mode. Like, I love the conversation
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: that she has with Naomi Aki's character because we also
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: are in this fight where it's like, the way I'm
• 27:31
  Speaker 8: fighting is the best way to fight. Well, the way
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: I'm fighting it is the best way to fight. Everybody
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: don't fight with their hands. Some people fight with they mind.
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: Some people gonna go into the office and work and
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: learn what they need to learn and then take it
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: back to the field. Everybody doesn't do it the same way.
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: And Naomi's whole thing is I'm making sure my kids
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: are good while you're out here willing to put your
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: life on the line, willing to chase after billionaire to
• 27:51
  Speaker 8: I don't know what you're doing. I'm making sure we're good.
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: I'm making sure the community is that this is the
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: way that I'm fighting. This is the way that I'm
• 27:58
  Speaker 8: choosing to survive.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: And I really love that.
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: Because I think we're always trying to teach each other
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: and tell each other, you know, so harshly, how you
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: need to fight for the community when we're all just
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: trying to get by. I'm just trying to make it
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: through the day, you know, and sometimes that's sitting on
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: the couch.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Did I love.
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: Boost's challenge your world view, but it sounds like you're reinforced.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: Arrived here for like the last year.
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: And I realized that in your conversation with Michelle Obama, like,
• 28:26
  Speaker 9: I think you're in the era right now.
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, you know, I've been working in the industry
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: for so long, and you know, it's a difference between
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: when institutions give you respect or acknowledge you and your community.
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: And I think for me, I've always been defined by
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: my community. As early as I can remember what a
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: quiling it be. They've always been the ones who said,
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: we see you, we we see what you're doing.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: And I think at this.
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: Place in my life, that's all I want to make
• 28:51
  Speaker 8: sure that I can continue to uplift those voices, you
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: know what I mean, That's what matters most to me.
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: If I've been able to continue to expand and get
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: better resources, how can I bring that back to ki TV?
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: How can I bring that back to the kids? How
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: can I create a project that can inspire? And I
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: do think it's a blessing because you know, this kind
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: of work isn't always around, you know what I'm saying,
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: Like this this project, if you don't, if I don't
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: write it myself, I'm going to be hopefully lucky enough
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: that somebody like Boots Riley writes it that allows me
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: to have conversations like the ones I want to have,
• 29:20
  Speaker 8: you know, in order to have the conversations and to
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: even make the waves or get people to get into
• 29:24
  Speaker 8: your head like this, you have the opportunity to do
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: something other than and a guy, you know what I mean,
• 29:29
  Speaker 8: which I live for that, you know, It's like I
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: live for that. But that's only one note of it.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: And I will say this, I feel like it's Kiki's.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: Best performance in the sense that, yeah, like she does
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: some stuff on there that I've never seen her do, right,
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: I saw it in things like Pimp and a few things.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: I saw it there, but we went for you know,
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: just from talking to her, I could see that she's
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: a comedic genius, and there's parts of that comedic genius
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: that hadn't been on film yet, and that that you know,
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: she gives like a performance has more from you know,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: it's how she talks.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: It's not the cadence like where you not my character?
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's it's it feels I don't know,
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: I say, like, it feels real, right, it feels grounded.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Well, Kiki Palmer.
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: I did a tech talk that actually comes out today
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: and talk about adaptive intelligence and performance.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: As a tool that I've used to be able to
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: survive my own life. And so one of my most
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: popular characters is Kiki Palmer. It is you know, it's
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: your girl and the guy.
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: You know, but that is only that's a character that
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: I constructed, that I created for my ability to be
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: able to move through the world, to be able to
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: do the things I want to do. So, yeah, when
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: you give me the opportunity to say, let's go, let
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: let me actually explore the other parts of my performance,
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: my ability, I'm able to show something different.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: And you had said something to me at one point,
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: I don't remember when it was. You were like, yeah, Boots,
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: everybody says that they want this other thing, but then
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: when we get on set, they want the boom boom boom,
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of pressures where.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: They're like, Okay, how we're gonna make the money, blah
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: blah blah. That you know, and so for me, I
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: always want everybody, the whole cast, to be doing something
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: that they've never done before, so that we feel them
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: as a as a character, we fall into them.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: How about that you that you think character? I think
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: the same is a character and what Lauren is only human?
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: Come on, Laur, I mean, it's it's just like how
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: we all show up at work. You know what I'm
• 31:39
  Speaker 8: saying at the end of the day. It of course
• 31:41
  Speaker 8: is me because I'm doing it, but it's it's a
• 31:43
  Speaker 8: it's a character, so it's also a performance of performance
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: to a certain degree. I'm not I know, I mean
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: maybe people do, but you know, I'm not in my
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: house talking about something.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: You know every now and then, you know.
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: Every now and then, but it's just like it's what
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: you it's what we do as performers.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: I'm an artist, so.
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: That's my point of it, is that it's an intelligence
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: to be able to perform, to be able to pick
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: up patterns, to know when the room needs to shift,
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: to know what people need you to pull up more
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: and to pull back more. But that is you servicing
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: the room. So you're not being yourself. You're trying to
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: make sure that the vibe is right in head And
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: Kiki Palmer is that was me and my neighborhood. You know,
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  Speaker 8: I grew up in a very rural part of Illinois.
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  Speaker 8: We didn't have a lot, and so I was the
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  Speaker 8: one that was get out on the floor and dance. Kiki,
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  Speaker 8: you know what I mean, because that's what was needed.
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  Speaker 8: I love that character. But that character, what I think
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  Speaker 8: is this state, this era that she was talking about
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  Speaker 8: that's opening up. Even when I came and did just
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  Speaker 8: Kiki and I talked about the it's about integration. I
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: don't as not being fragmented in this space where people
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  Speaker 8: don't understand what that has also meant to me, what
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  Speaker 8: that's cost me, and what embodiment is for me today.
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  Speaker 8: Where it takes a long time for you to realize
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  Speaker 8: poverty is not around over your shoulder, you know.
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  Speaker 4: So that's where that's where I'm at, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean.
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  Speaker 8: I've been supporting my family since I was twelve years old,
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  Speaker 8: and I have no shame about that, really, you know.
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  Speaker 8: It's like, but that's the way it had to be.
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  Speaker 8: That wasn't gonna let my parents through. So the nine
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  Speaker 8: year old had to be able to get out there,
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  Speaker 8: tap dance and move. But what once was something fun
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  Speaker 8: that I did for my family became a character that
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  Speaker 8: I'm doing and living in the world, and I'm not
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  Speaker 8: constantly embodied in it. And so then it becomes the
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  Speaker 8: question of what does all this mean to me? How
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  Speaker 8: do I also honor what that has given me but
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  Speaker 8: also make sure that the person that just gets to
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  Speaker 8: be and that's not constantly making sure that the room
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  Speaker 8: is right, is able to just exist. And it's funny
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: because that's this character Corvette. She's experiencing in a lot
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: of ways, her own version of that, where she's trying
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  Speaker 8: to figure out how to maintain value, how to survive,
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: who she has to be, what she has to become.
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  Speaker 4: It's what she's up against.
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  Speaker 8: And I remember we had a conversation when Boots we
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  Speaker 8: were talking and having conversations like I'm we having with
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  Speaker 8: you guys, and he was like, I want you to
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  Speaker 8: go back to that place before you reached where you
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  Speaker 8: are now, and I want you to be that be
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  Speaker 8: the be the you that was on that journey because
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  Speaker 8: Corvette hasn't figured out what you figured out?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, when do you get I'm sorry, so when do
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: you actually get to be?
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  Speaker 1: Lauren?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 4: Does it ever get tiresome to be have to show up?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 8: Luckily, because I'm talking about it and I'm able to
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  Speaker 8: actually shark articulating and sharing that experience, I'm able to
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  Speaker 8: be right now, you guys are meeting me there because
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: I'm allowing you to because I'm actually you know, I'm
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  Speaker 8: telling you and we're sharing the conversation and we're able
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  Speaker 8: to understand it. I think in the generation we're in,
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: it is time to start talking about what that Every
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: entertainer's not the same or celebrity, I should say, but
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: as an artist, like we have to start talking about
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: what it is to be an artist, what it is
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  Speaker 8: to be a person, and what really happens in that
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  Speaker 8: in between space?
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  Speaker 3: Or are you tired of sharing that part of yourself, like,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: are you tired of sharing who you are personally? Like,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: I'm an actress, I do this part of do this part,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: but now it seems like they're diving more into your personal.
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm excited to be able. I think that's why
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  Speaker 8: I love doing my podcast. I love being able to
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  Speaker 8: talk and really share who I am outside of just
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: the glit, the clips and the moments that people get
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: to see that are performing that are profusually performance based,
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  Speaker 8: or me making sure you know I'm ready to I
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  Speaker 8: really want to have more conversations because I feel like
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  Speaker 8: I also have so much to share from what I've
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: been through as a creator, as an entrepreneur. I don't
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  Speaker 8: want these people to go through the same things I
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: went through.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: They're wrapping us up. But I do want to ask
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: one thing.
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  Speaker 6: Because you survived child stardom right without having a public breakdown,
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: even though you've been taking care of your family forever,
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: what protected your spirit?
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I hate to say this is going to
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: sound cliche, but I think in many ways that you know,
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  Speaker 8: people don't believe then that's what they would feel. But honestly, God,
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: honestly God, I grew.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: Up in a church.
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: You know, my father's a deacon. The foundation of what
• 35:54
  Speaker 8: I believe, the conversations that I've had with myself, the
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  Speaker 8: Richard was that my grandmother gave me God rest her soul,
• 35:59
  Speaker 8: my Grandma mildireum, I grandma birth data. So I never
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: felt like even when I had to go underground, I
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: knew I had I knew I had God with me,
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  Speaker 8: you know. And so there I remember the moment when
• 36:09
  Speaker 8: I was seventeen and I was like, I'm I'm nobody
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: can know me because it was unsafe because I was
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: constantly under scrutiny and working as an adult as a kid,
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: and I couldn't be sad on set, I couldn't be angry.
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: I couldn't show any of those emotions. So I told myself,
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: I'm going to just be yes, let's do it. And
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: I just said the real me, she gonna go low
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: key because they.
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  Speaker 4: Can't handle her.
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: They can't handle the questions, they can't handle the awareness,
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: they can't handle what the conversation that I would. They
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: couldn't handle that me trying to talk about that kind
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: of stuff.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: And my position is true Jackson VP.
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: And so I just continue to survive my life and
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: then at some point I said, she can She's safe now,
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: she can come up for air.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: I can talk about this and share this.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: Can I say something I've observed just from being in
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: your sphere is that even without the child starting, you
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: have what a lot of people in Hollywood don't have,
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: is you have your family around you. They they are
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: you know, regular people that are just good people, and
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: they're around you all that. They're always somewhere, a couple
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: of rooms over or something like that, and you know,
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: and you do live your life with them. They're there
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: and and and you have them advising you, and you
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: have them protecting you, and so you you have that
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: community right there, and it's something that you know, I
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: would wish upon anyone to have.
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  Speaker 1: I hope.
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  Speaker 4: Executive Producers of.
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  Speaker 3: Yes And is out today, So make sure you check
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: it out.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Check this out.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: We got we don't.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: It's not only Keiky Palmer and is Keiky Palmer more,
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: Taylor Page, Keith Stanfield, don cheatleh.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: He's the Gunzalees Poppy Liu, you know. And it's look,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: we're wide.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: It's only in seventeen hundred theaters, which is big, but
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: that means if it's not right near you, convenient, I
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: need you to travel over there and get it to
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: this weekend. We got to blow this up and thank
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: you everybody, appreciate you.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you for having us the Breakfast Club, Good morning
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: every day a week ago. Up the Breakfast Club, finish
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  Speaker 1: for y'all.
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  Speaker 2: Done,