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Bonus Episode: The Definition of Cool, Influence Over Success, and FIDLAR · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch, to get you through. Yeah, me too.
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this episode we are talking about
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  Speaker 1: Velvet Underground, Fiddler's New Tom Peddy Cover, Jazz, Jazz and
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  Speaker 1: more jazz, but especially Keith Jarret's The Rich and the Poor,
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  Speaker 1: and of course your voicemails, texts, dms and.
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  Speaker 2: More and as always a whole lot of Rosie. All right, Discos,
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  Speaker 2: let's get into it. Yes, yes, yes, Run run run.
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  Speaker 1: I am waiting for my man and you are here
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  Speaker 1: with me and the after Party in this our Velvet
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  Speaker 1: Underground week, ladies and gentlemen, is there a more influential
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  Speaker 1: band than the Velvet Underground. I'm asking because this is
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  Speaker 1: the week where we release our full episode on the
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  Speaker 1: Velvet Underground. We did two episodes on lou Reed before
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  Speaker 1: a couple of seasons ago, last season, but we're giving
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  Speaker 1: a whole episode to the full band right here, right now.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I ask, I gotta ask, I gotta
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  Speaker 1: ask because I just, I literally don't know. The answer.
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  Speaker 1: Is the Velvet Underground the most influential band of all
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  Speaker 1: time when it comes to guitar driven, alternative ish sounding music, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: at least in the latter part of the twentieth century.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna get into that. But I just want
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  Speaker 1: to say off the top here, if you're hearing something
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  Speaker 1: that sounds a little bit different, we're recording in a
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  Speaker 1: new space. We are built this new mobile studio here
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  Speaker 1: for a hot minute as I build a bigger, newer studio,
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  Speaker 1: so we're getting out the kinks here a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: So if it sounds different, that's what you're hearing. But
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  Speaker 1: let's get right into it, all right. I'm back. I'm
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  Speaker 1: psyched to be back. I took a week off from writing,
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  Speaker 1: from recording, from talking to you guys. I was traveling,
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  Speaker 1: did a huge road trip of my family about a
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  Speaker 1: week long. Stoke to be diving back into it here.
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  Speaker 1: So let's go back, all right, Let's hit this question
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  Speaker 1: of the Velvet Underground's influence. Let's go back in time,
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  Speaker 1: beginning now in twenty twenty three, and tracing back the
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  Speaker 1: most impactful guitar driven rock and roll bands, beginning with
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  Speaker 1: I don't know who's the new young guitar rock band
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  Speaker 1: that's impacting youth culture. I would argue that there isn't one,
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  Speaker 1: but that's a whole other can of words and probably
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  Speaker 1: a whole other episode. But let's say, Fiddler, Fiddler, Fiddler,
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  Speaker 1: How the hell you pronounce it? A band? I can't
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  Speaker 1: shut up about it. I should know how to pronounce
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  Speaker 1: the name of their band, This youngish guitar driven they're
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  Speaker 1: making and releasing music as we speak. So let's start
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  Speaker 1: with and then let's go back a couple more years.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to the Black Keys. They're still releasing music.
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  Speaker 1: Black Keys are still selling out stadiums. And then let's
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  Speaker 1: keep driving in reverse, Jack White, the White Stripes, the Strokes.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we just tore ass backward in time to
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and one, to the release of the first
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  Speaker 1: Strokes record, to a time when rock and roll still mattered.
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  Speaker 1: But let's not stop there. Let's keep going. Okay, Let's
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  Speaker 1: keep going back in time, from the Strokes, Willco to
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  Speaker 1: radio Head, to Flaming Lips, to Nirvana, Guns and Roses,
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  Speaker 1: the Cult, who Else, The Pixies, the Jesus and Mary Chain,
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  Speaker 1: the Smiths, the Cure, can't forget about our English friends.
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  Speaker 1: And now now we're back into the latter half of
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  Speaker 1: the seventies, The Clash, the Ramones, the New York Dolls,
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  Speaker 1: all the way back to the Velvet Underground again. Let's
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  Speaker 1: list those bands in reverse order. Fiddler, Black Keys, White Stripes,
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  Speaker 1: The Strokes, Wilco, Radiohead, Flaming Lips, Nirvana, GNR, the Cult,
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  Speaker 1: the Pixies, the Jesus and Mary Change, the Smith's, thee
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  Speaker 1: Cure of the Clash, the Ramones, New York Dolls. Shit,
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  Speaker 1: might as well even throw the Doors in, because the Doors,
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  Speaker 1: along with the rest of these bands, went on to
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  Speaker 1: be majorly influential in their own right, and not only
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  Speaker 1: on the bands that came after them, but on their
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  Speaker 1: peers and on each other. And all of those bands
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  Speaker 1: were directly influenced by the Velvet Underground, to say nothing
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  Speaker 1: of David Bowie, They're Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan,
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  Speaker 1: and a handful of other heavies that in some ways,
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  Speaker 1: both big and small all took inspiration from the Velvet Underground.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Ask your average music fan to
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  Speaker 1: name three Velvet Underground songs and they'd be hard pressed
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  Speaker 1: to do so. I'm not judging. I'm just pointing out
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  Speaker 1: that the Velvet Underground one of those bands that was
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  Speaker 1: way more influential than they were successful. I take it
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  Speaker 1: for granted. I think of them as being these huge
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  Speaker 1: icons of music history, and they are, they certainly are,
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  Speaker 1: but they're not like you know, Ask the lay person,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, off the street, who the Velvet Underground are,
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  Speaker 1: or at least, like you know, name three songs or
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  Speaker 1: a couple of albums and they can't do that. So
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  Speaker 1: what is it? What is it a the Velvet Underground
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  Speaker 1: that made that band so influential but did not make
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  Speaker 1: them successful? To me, it boils down to one word cool.
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  Speaker 1: When I think cool, the image that most comes to mind,
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  Speaker 1: and this is so true, this is a god's honest truth.
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  Speaker 1: When I think of cool, the image that comes to
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  Speaker 1: mind is lou Reed, frozen in black and white, with
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  Speaker 1: that short hair, those wrap around black sunglasses, the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the Velvets standing around them, on stage, statuesque, grotesque
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  Speaker 1: and drogyness beautiful all at the same time. It's rock
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  Speaker 1: and roll, but it's also art. It's all some sort
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  Speaker 1: of contrived put on that seems utterly effortless and totally
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  Speaker 1: New York. And not to take your wife and kids
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  Speaker 1: into town for the weekend to see a show version
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  Speaker 1: of New York, but in that dangerous downtown take your
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  Speaker 1: life into your own hands to cop some dope kind
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  Speaker 1: of New York. The shit is compelling, all right. Even
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  Speaker 1: Jim Morrison, who in the late sixties was cool and
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  Speaker 1: carnate to Middle America and the rest of the mainstream
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  Speaker 1: rock world, fell hard for the Velvet Underground. Andy Warhol,
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  Speaker 1: of course, had a lot to do with this, and
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  Speaker 1: we get into that in the full episode. But most
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  Speaker 1: of this influence, most of this is cool. It's due
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  Speaker 1: to the members of the band themselves. Even though Warhol
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  Speaker 1: was a se Bengali to be all Svengali's, the members
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  Speaker 1: of the band, Lou Reed, John Cale, Sterling, Morrison, Motucker,
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  Speaker 1: even Nico, they were all naturally cool beyond compare. You
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  Speaker 1: can see it in the images of the band, sure,
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  Speaker 1: like I mentioned, But more important, you can hear it
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  Speaker 1: in their playing. Depending on the members, sometimes it's virtuoso
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  Speaker 1: like as this is the case with John Cale, and
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  Speaker 1: sometimes completely amateur, as is the case with Nico and
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  Speaker 1: sometimes Mo Tucker. But it's never alienating. It's always perfect,
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  Speaker 1: pitch perfect. Even when it's not pitch perfect, it's pitch perfect.
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  Speaker 1: It's always right on, it's always instinctually cool. The first
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  Speaker 1: time I heard the Velvet Underground, I was walking down
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  Speaker 1: the floor of my dorm on the first day, my
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  Speaker 1: first day at Northeastern University, and I heard I heard
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  Speaker 1: rock and Roll, the song rock and Roll, and I
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  Speaker 1: knew it was the Velvet Underground because I knew the
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  Speaker 1: Jan's Addiction version and I knew that was a Velvet
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  Speaker 1: Underground cover, but I didn't actually know the Velvet Underground version.
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  Speaker 1: So I heard it, I was like, oh, this is cool,
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  Speaker 1: this must be the Velvet Underground. So, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: go to the go to the room where this is
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  Speaker 1: coming out of. There's two dudes in there smoking hash,
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  Speaker 1: of course, so I walk in introduce myself. I smoke
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  Speaker 1: some hash. We listened to that whole Velvet Underground record
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  Speaker 1: just fucking blew my mind. And I've been hooked ever since.
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  Speaker 1: And there's that danger to it, right that I hate
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  Speaker 1: the sound juvenile, adolescent and cheesy. But there's just something
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  Speaker 1: the culture of it that I'm in on something special.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in on something unique. I'm in on something that
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  Speaker 1: that person over there is not in on that is
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  Speaker 1: cool and I cannot define it. If I could define it,
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't actually be cool. So stupid question of the week.
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  Speaker 1: Who is the most influential rock band of all time?
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  Speaker 1: Is it Development Underground? I can already hear people screaming
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  Speaker 1: back of me into their speaker, No, you're idiot, It's
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  Speaker 1: the Stooges. It's the Stooges. So if so, if that's true,
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  Speaker 1: why why is it Iggy? Why is it Iggy Pop
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  Speaker 1: and the Stooges and not Lou and the Velvets Or
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  Speaker 1: is it the Stones? This is you come at me
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  Speaker 1: with the Beatles if you think so, the Pixies, Nirvana?
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  Speaker 1: Who is the most influential rock band of all time?
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  Speaker 1: And why? Let me know? Six one seven nine oh
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  Speaker 1: six six six three eight, Leave a voicemail, send me
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  Speaker 1: a text with your answers, or hit me on the
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  Speaker 1: socials at disgrace Slam pod. I'm back after this with
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  Speaker 1: your voicemails and your texts and your DMS. Alrighty, then
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: let's get into your voicemails. Let's get into your text hot.
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  Speaker 1: On the heels of last week Sunny Rollins episode, we
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  Speaker 1: got this voicemail from Anne in the three to three.
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  Speaker 3: Hey Jake, this is Anne, also known as redhead one
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  Speaker 3: from Instagram. I am your New York Scorsese and New
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  Speaker 3: York connection. I've connected with you a few times. I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to leave you a voicemail after listening to your
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  Speaker 3: episode yesterday, and I'm excited for the Sunny Rollins episode today.
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  Speaker 3: Most definitely a jazz head, and I have some suggestions
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  Speaker 3: for you. Start with some Dave Brubeck, particularly Take five.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great album you'll dig. Vince Giraldi, No, he
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  Speaker 3: did not just do the Charlie Brown Christmas special. He
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  Speaker 3: had a trio in the early sixties that is really
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  Speaker 3: great straight ahead jazz West Montgomery Ja as guitarist, also
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  Speaker 3: from the sixties, very very good, very chill. And finally,
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  Speaker 3: Stan gets an incredible saxophonist.
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  Speaker 4: Very weird dude. He might be worth looking into for
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  Speaker 4: an episode.
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  Speaker 3: Very strange guy, but an incredible saxophonist, and he's responsible
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  Speaker 3: for bringing Boston Nova to the US from Brazil in
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: the sixties. Also, to tie into a bad Lands question,
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  Speaker 3: which is a favorite summer movie, I'm going to go
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  Speaker 3: with a music doc. So I'm tying into two questions.
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  Speaker 3: Jazz on a Summer's Day. If you've never seen it, man,
• 10:41
  Speaker 3: check it out. I know you did a performance at
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  Speaker 3: the Newport Folk Festival. This is the Newport Jazz Festival
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  Speaker 3: from nineteen fifty eight. Everybody is in it, Louis Armstrong,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: Check it out.
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  Speaker 3: Jazz on a Summer's Day. Love everything you do. I
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: have had a nice interactions with you previously, and I
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  Speaker 3: just want to say, keep doing what you're doing and
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  Speaker 3: check out some jazz. Have a wonderful day, rock a rolla.
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  Speaker 1: All right, and I appreciate the call. Psyched to hear
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  Speaker 1: from you again. I love Dave Brubeck, Okay, think he's
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  Speaker 1: great and you'll appreciate this. I heard this really funny
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: story about Dave Rubec recently. I can't remember where I
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  Speaker 1: heard it. Some documentary or something. I think I might
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  Speaker 1: have been the Tom Petty doc. I'm not sure, but basically,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Brubeck ends up meeting President Bill Clinton. Okay, and
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  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton while he's president. I believe I believe this
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  Speaker 1: is while he was president, says to Dave Brubeck. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan. I love you. I love your music,
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  Speaker 1: and Brubeck goes, yeah, name three records that just fucking
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  Speaker 1: killed me. Just imagine you're meeting the president and the
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  Speaker 1: president is like, I love you, and you call him out,
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: you challenge him, and apparently Clinton did it. Apparently Bill
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: Clinton could do it, you know. So the story goes,
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  Speaker 1: Who the hell knows if that's true or not, but whatever,
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  Speaker 1: I love it. I also love Vince Giraldi. A friend
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  Speaker 1: of mine from Noble Records, this record shop in North
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  Speaker 1: Carolina sent me, sent me a bunch of records, and
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  Speaker 1: he sent me this Vince geralde record called Black Orpeus
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  Speaker 1: Jazz Impressions of Black Orpheus that's the full title. I
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  Speaker 1: fucking love it. I'm sure you know, and I'm sure
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: you know about the Vince Giraldy Grateful Dead connection San
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: Francisco guys. I once saw this cool picture of a
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  Speaker 1: Vince with some of the guys. Jerry and the rest
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: of the dead. They're just hanging out. Very cool. Yeah,
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: West Montgomery, I got to get into it. Hit me
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  Speaker 1: up with an album. Where do I start? There's so
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: much I hear it on mixes. I always love it.
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  Speaker 1: I always remind myself to go back to it. I
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: never go back to him. So just let me know
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  Speaker 1: what full length to check out. And speaking of jazz, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I also have not seen jazz on a Summer's Day.
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  Speaker 1: Despite playing at the Newport Folk Festival last year and
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  Speaker 1: attending the Jazz Festival many times, I still haven't seen that.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for reminding me. Jazz on a Summer's Day is
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  Speaker 1: what Ann is talking about. It's a it's a great
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  Speaker 1: documentary about jazz musicians Newport Folk excuse me, Newford Jazz
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  Speaker 1: Fest in particular. And speaking of jazz, Ann and New
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: York City where you're from your hometown. Looks like I
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  Speaker 1: will be at a famous jazz venue in New York
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  Speaker 1: in September doing an event. It's not my event, it's
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  Speaker 1: a musician friend of mine that will be announced shortly.
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  Speaker 1: I'm almost confirmed. It's give me some heavy hitters involved
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  Speaker 1: to should be a lot of fun. I'll let you
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  Speaker 1: know about that. I'll let everyone know about that when
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  Speaker 1: it comes up. All right, Ann, thanks for the call. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Prior to our Sunny Rawins episode, we released a full
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: episode our Merle Haggard and that prompted a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: country conversations. So let's hear this voicemail from the eight
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  Speaker 1: to five to nine.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Jake, this is Roger from Dry Roads, Kentucky. I've
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  Speaker 4: listened to pretty much all your episodes, love most of them,
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  Speaker 4: but I feel that you're long overdue for a Whale
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  Speaker 4: Jennings episode. When it comes to the outlaw badass country music,
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: you don't get more outlawed badass country than Whalem Jennings.
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  Speaker 4: And I would love to hear one on Lane Stay
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: from Alison Chains. Keep up the great work. Peace out.
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  Speaker 1: I hear you, man, Roger. There will be a Whalon
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  Speaker 1: Jennings episode. This has now become Whalen has become one
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: of the most requested subjects for Disgraceland. I did do
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: a YouTube story on him. You can check that out.
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: That's at our YouTube YouTube dot com slash at Disgraceland
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: pod and that was this whole connection to the Cocaine Bear.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: You can check that story out there. I think the
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: episode that I do, however, will be much more far
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: reaching than what we did on YouTube. But that's not
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: going to be anytime soon in the future, just not
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: in the new future. All right, So we get the
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: YouTube thing to tide over your whaling excuse me whaling,
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: Jennings Jones, all right, still on the country tip, Let's
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  Speaker 1: check out this voicemail from the eighth one.
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  Speaker 5: Oh hey, Jake, it's from the eight one to oh
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  Speaker 5: just calling about your grace.
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  Speaker 6: Playing topic of good like biofis.
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  Speaker 5: And stuff like that on music artists and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 5: I still think it's probably one of my favorites walk
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: the line, but I gotta say, like your Johnny Pash
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  Speaker 5: episode kind of changes the perspective a little bit when
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: you watch that movie, it makes you think a little differently.
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  Speaker 5: And then on top of that, when we brought this
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: up and it got me thinking, and I'm just doing
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: some Google searching around and I stumbled upon a documentary
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  Speaker 5: called My Darling Vivian that came out a few years
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  Speaker 5: ago about Johnny Cash's first wife, and that also just
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: like totally changes your perspective and outlook on Johnny Cash.
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  Speaker 4: And stuff like that.
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  Speaker 5: So keep it real, man, Rocker.
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  Speaker 6: Rolla, I dave.
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  Speaker 1: I love the Johnny Cash Walk the Line biopic. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's it's one of the better ones, and I
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  Speaker 1: go into it with a open mind. Went into it
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  Speaker 1: with an open mind when I watched it, and when
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  Speaker 1: it's on and I rewatch it, I do the same thing.
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  Speaker 7: You know.
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  Speaker 1: The bottom line is you've only got ninety minutes or
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  Speaker 1: at most two hours to tell the story of these artists.
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  Speaker 1: It's why I love what I do in Disgraceland because
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  Speaker 1: I am not I mean, I have thirty minutes or
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  Speaker 1: sometimes I can do double episodes or whatever, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: not stuck to the sort of three act screenwriting format
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  Speaker 1: and I don't have to hit the same beats that
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: you have to hit in a multimillion dollar budgeted film.
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  Speaker 1: And so I kind of feel for the filmmakers in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of way. But I think that Johnny Cash
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  Speaker 1: went in particular, they did a really good job. There's
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  Speaker 1: been some really bad ones. I don't want to shit
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  Speaker 1: talk any of them, but we know what they are.
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  Speaker 1: The bottom line is, these artists, especially an artists like
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  Speaker 1: Johnny Cash, there's so much to cover there's so much
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  Speaker 1: these lives that they live. His life in particular, lives
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  Speaker 1: such a full life. And you know, when you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about our side of the street here, what we do
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  Speaker 1: you meet, the sort of music and true crime stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It's there's so much to cover when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: Johnny Cash. When I first started researching Johnny Cash for
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  Speaker 1: that episode you were talking about, Dave, my my initial
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  Speaker 1: thought was and I almost did it. I got I
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  Speaker 1: got into pre production with it. I was like, this
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  Speaker 1: is a ten episode series. This is far more than
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: one episode, and I ended up only doing one for
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: reasons that I won't go into. But I do think
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: down the line is a larger Johnny Cash story for
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: me to tell. But yeah, thanks for the call, Dave,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: appreciate that. Let's let's check out Wendy from the four one.
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: Five Heather, I'm kind of a new listener, but I
• 17:45
  Speaker 8: love the show and I know it's a little late,
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: but I've been concentrating on Taylor's lift. My name is
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: tenty some scorel bos and yeah, I'm the same generation
• 17:55
  Speaker 8: with you, but I've been doing some deep.
• 17:58
  Speaker 9: Diving and I totally really why she has a female
• 18:01
  Speaker 9: like cult, mostly female because she's strong but vulnerable, and
• 18:06
  Speaker 9: like just women have such low self esteems and she's
• 18:11
  Speaker 9: saying things that girls feel and they can't say. And
• 18:15
  Speaker 9: I don't know, I just I kind of I really
• 18:18
  Speaker 9: get it. It's like a voice for girls and women
• 18:22
  Speaker 9: and to not be ashamed of it or be like, oh,
• 18:25
  Speaker 9: this is stupid, this is weak or whatever. It's like
• 18:29
  Speaker 9: she has issues with her self esteem but then goes
• 18:33
  Speaker 9: out there like a rock star and as a businesswoman,
• 18:38
  Speaker 9: as a songwriter in pop. Yeah, it's just a tornado.
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: Like and then with social media.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: So I just want to give my two friends on there.
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: Because I kind of didn't understand it at first. I
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: mean I understood her, but not like this complete nuttiness.
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: But yeah, the little girls are growing up, I guess.
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: So take care left the show, And yeah, thank.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: ARETI Wendy takes from the call. I hear you. It's
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: it's powerful stuff. I appreciate your insight into Missus Swift
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: and her fans. Thank you for listening. I appreciate the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: new listeners. All right, let's check out a couple more here.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: This one from the eight o week.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: Bro number one. I want to know how many takes
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: it took to get that fucking fascinach down at the end,
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: but beyond that, I didn't realize it. It's Curtison, Connecticut, Dude,
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: you have to just do Gangstar. Gangstar has one of
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: the coolest stories for up and coming and being a
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: legend that's not spoken highly of or highly regarded by
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: a lot of people. Very underrated, hands down, one of
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: the best Gangstar one of the best yet.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Curtis my man, Uh, where do I start with Gangstar? Where?
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: What's the book? What's the doc? What's the music? What's
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: the magazine article? Where's the angle? Let me know? Hit
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: me back? Six ones seven nine six six six three eight.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Appreciate the message Johnny from the two oh seven. Let's
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: hear from you, jig.
• 20:08
  Speaker 10: It's you, buddy, Johnny for New Hampshire. Man, Hey, thank
• 20:11
  Speaker 10: you for the uh, thanks for the play and uh,
• 20:14
  Speaker 10: you know, honestly, thank you for giving a ship who
• 20:17
  Speaker 10: we are, Like, that's pretty cool. Like I I it
• 20:21
  Speaker 10: would be so easy.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: For you to just be like whatever the listeners and
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: fuck them all.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I need you know that.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Just listen to my thing.
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: Is shut up. But it's really really I don't know.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: If the word inclusive is thrown.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Around so much that it's lost its meeting, but it's.
• 20:36
  Speaker 10: Really it just creates such a sense of community for me,
• 20:40
  Speaker 10: Like I really look forward cheat this and I feel
• 20:44
  Speaker 10: like I feel like we're all part of it. So
• 20:46
  Speaker 10: it's cool, like we're, for lack of a better term,
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: I feel like when the Tasmanian Doubles just kind of
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: turns into a whirling dervish, like this whole show is
• 20:58
  Speaker 10: just like a crazy musical whirling dervish and people and.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: Listening and different.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: I'm into it.
• 21:04
  Speaker 10: So good job, all right, brother, love it, rock and
• 21:07
  Speaker 10: roll and keep up the good work.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: My man.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: I gotta go get on this roof fic this Jimmy
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: Jo John.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: That's right, man. Community, that's what we're building. That's what
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: we're doing here. I don't know what else to say.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Keep listening, keep calling, keep texting, keep telling me what
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you guys want, keep telling what you'd like, what you dislike,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: what you want to hear, what you want me to create.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I am here for it. Six one seven nine oh
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: six six sixty three eight Voicemail and text. Speaking of texts,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: let's let's get into some text right now. All right,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: from the seven oh seven, The seven o seven rights,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: and please make an April Fools episode about Millie Vanilli.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I can't think of a crime to tie them to,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: but that's what researchers are for. On a more serious note,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I would love a White Stripes Jack White episode. His
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: album with Loretta Lynn is excellent. If you haven't heard it, uh,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: seven oh seven, I have heard it. I have heard
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: that record. I think it's real good. I think an episode.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I've always thought there was a Jack White episode there.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: He's so fucking prickly, though. I'm just worry, you know.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I don't want that dude freaking out or whatever. All Right,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: let's see what else we got here from the seven
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: oh six. I just heard your rant on You two
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: the undertones in Thin Lizzy. I totally groove on Thin
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Lizzie with you and you two has always kind of sucked.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: But that's a big statement. But I wonder why you
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: completely forgot flogging Mollie. Well, I completely forgot flogging Mollie
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: because I forget shit. Man. Dave King put some amazing
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: shit together. They should give them a try. And if
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I'm being honest, I'm not that familiar with flogging Mollie's catalog.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: But I appreciate the prompt and I'm gonna go check
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: that out. Let's see what else we got here. From
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the A two Jeff from the eight oh two Awesome
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Duet to check out Aggy Pop and Kate Pearson Candy.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I agree with you eight oh two, it is great.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Two six oh right, saying, hey Jake, Rob from the
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: two six to oh, you were asking about times that
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: pop monsters shared the mic. I got a recent one
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: that I'm sure you probably heard about July fifteenth. That's
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: real recent, Rob. July fifteenth, Rob says, twenty twenty three,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Rob says Ford Field and Detroit says Rob. Michigan says Rob.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I was one of the lucky seventy thousand plus that
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: night that saw Eminem freaking Eminem pop up under Ed
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Shearing's Mathematics stage. The plays absolutely erupted. You couldn't even
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: hear Marshall spitting until the chorus came back around after
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: we all lost ourselves to do Oh hit us with
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: a killer rendition of Stan before m left the stage
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: with a giant middle finger to the entire arena. It
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: was legendary. Now that's my kind of text, love that,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: love that. Also, I've worked my way around on eminem
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: old school Disgraceland fans, I'll know what I'm talking about. Okay, Hey,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Jake Matthew here from the seven to one seven. I
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: was able to snag a copy and he's got a
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: picture here of Fishbone's Truth and Soul on vinyl. Damn,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I need that. I need that. I need that record
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: on vinyl. Where'd you get that nine to eight? What'd
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: you get that? Matthew? Why does number save nine to eight?
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: But you're saying you're from the seven one seven? I
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: don't understand anyways. More importantly, nice grab six four six.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, Stevie owners impact culturally supersedes princes. You
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: talk about a brother from another planet that is from
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: my buddy from the six four six? Uh did Stevie
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: wonder impact culture? Did he more than Prince? It's a
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: good question. I don't know the answer. Uh. Six' one
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: two Eric from Minneapolis top duet, I go straight to
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Nick Kave and Kylie Minogue. Eric says a lot I'm
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: gonna skim through this. He also says, today you asked
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: for the best musician in the talent versus Craft episode,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: It's not possible. Best guitarist Andrew Blo, no question of
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: his impact and creativity, but is he as good as
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Page, Django, Reinhardt, Stanley Jordan are freaking Michael Hedges.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: This is what led me to my favorite slash great assistant,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: which is number one, my all time overarching favorite. Number two.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: My favorite is shown by who I listened to the
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: most three? Who I into right now? Example, in the
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: best favorite band category all time is the Residence. Number
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: two most listened to is ween Damn number three right now.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I'm super digging Vistas from Scotland. Sorry for going on.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I was gonna call, but I'm sick as heck and
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: can't talk, so swell. Keep making the quality you do.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: It is appreciated. You got it, Eric, Thanks for that message. Yeah, man,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I'm gonna keep going.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: There's a lot there, all right, one more? Here here
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: we go, Hey, Jake, it's from Lance Vallis not sure
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: if my Facebook messager message got through. Thought i'd send
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: you the same one via text. By request some essential
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: jazz listening Lee Morgan the Sidewinder, I have it. It's awesome.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Benny Golson, the Philadelphia's never heard of it. We'll check
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: it out. Dave Brubeck, time out, have it, listen to it? Awesome.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Wes Montgomery smoking at the half note. Well, I asked
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: earlier what no Wes Montgomery album to get into, and
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I guess I have my answer here. Charlie Christian genius
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: of the electric guitar. I got the impression you were
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: looking for acoustic jazz, but a couple of excellent jazz
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: fusion records are Light as a feather Return to Forever Spectrum.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Billy Corbyn, very eagerly awaiting an Elliott Smith episode. I
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: used to live in the Boston area, and I might
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: be totally misremembering this, but did you used to host
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: an open mic or something like that the Brendan Bean
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and Jamaica playing playing like twenty twenty five years ago?
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: No?
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I did not did not host an open mic. Give
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: me some fucking credit, man. But my dad did have
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: a residency, not an open mic, at the Brendan Bean
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: about thirty years ago, and I talked about that on
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: one of the recent after Party episodes. You must have
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: just missed it, all right, So them is the text
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: is okay six one seven nine O six six six
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  Speaker 1: three eight. Leave me a text, send me a voicemail
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: at this Gray Slam pod with the DMS, I will
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: get to you on direct message shortly, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: This bonus episode is turning out to be super long,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: so we're gonna do the DMS next week. Uh take
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: one quick break back in a flash. The recommendations part.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: This is the recommendation's part, the part where we recommend
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the things that need recommending. The recommendations part what I've
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: been listening to. So as you can tell, I've been
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: listening to a lot of jazz. I mentioned the Vince
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Durrell the album above, also been listening to Keith Jarrett.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Dude is a massive discography, but for me, it's all
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: about the album Treasure Island right now, specifically the leadoff track,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: The Rich and the Poor quite possibly one, if not
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the greatest end of the workday songs that I've ever heard.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: It's screams, take a load off and crack a cold
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: can of beer. Makes me instantly feel like I'm like
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: some fucking hard boiled detective in a suit that I
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: haven't taken off in three weeks. And you know I'm
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: in some seventies crime thriller. I just walked into my
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: shitty studio apartment in the village and I'm on the
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: hunt for something wet and cold to fucking drown my day.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I love this song. Check it out. Keith Jarrett. The
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Rich and the Poor and for Keith Jarrett. Heads out there,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and I know you're out there. I know there's some
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: heavy jazz dudes out there, some major dudes. Let me
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: know where to go next with Keith Jarrett. There's so
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: much of it, okay, six one seven, nine oh six,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: six six three eight. Also, what are your holy shit
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: work is finally done and I need a beer songs?
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: What song do you reach for when work is done
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and you're reaching for a cold one? Let me know
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: six one seven, nine oh six, six six three eight.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Is that specific enough for you? Have a feeling we're
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: gonna get a lot more classic country incoming on this one.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Let me know your favorite afterwork songs? All right. I'm
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: also listening to Fiddler's new single cover Tom Teddy's free Falling.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: This is on the heels of the band's recent cover
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: of olymp Biscuits Nookie. Not sure what these guys are
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: up to but I am here for it. Keep the
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: fucked up covers coming, Guys. Anyone knows this band, let
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: them know how much I love them, would love to
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: talk to them. I love this band so much. I
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: wish I was in it. And that's saying something because
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I really have zero desire to ever be in a
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: band again. It's a hard life. You guys know this,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: but as the kids say, fuck it, dude, life is rid.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: We asked a couple bonus episodes ago what were the
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: best non music biopick music movies, and a lot of
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: you wrote in Fast Times of Bridgemont High, and I
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: gotta say this might be my top choice as well.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Was on TCM recently. I think it was TCM and
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I can't not watch this one. It's on, I can't
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: skip through it, I can't change the channel. So I
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: watched it and it was the beginning. It was great Bradley.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: You know he's in the cruising vessel cruising into the
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: parking lot in that opening scene or one of the
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: opening scenes. It just this movie's one of those great
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: movies where it doesn't matter what the song is. The
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: photography is so good, the visuals are so great that
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you know this is like I didn't give a shit
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: about Jackson Brown when I was a kid, but this
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: movie made me give a shit about Jackson Brown. That's
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: how good this movie is. I'm not telling you anything
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: you don't know, but my chance as any young kids
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: listening to this and you just like you've heard of
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: this movie but you have not seen it, go watch
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: it run Watch Fast Times of Bridgemant High six one
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: seven nine oh six, six sixty three. If you have
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: any more non biopick music movies to recommend. Also, let
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: me know what your favorite afterwork tune is. To crack
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: a cold one too, let me know and check out
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: The Richard the Poor by Keith Jarrett at Disgrace Lamd
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: pod on the Social six one seven nine oh six
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  Speaker 1: six six three eight. I'm back in a flash with
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: some zen. All right, let's recap, shall we. Number one,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Velvet Underground is the latest episode of disgracelanded is in
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: your feeds right now. Number two, We've got a new
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: season of bad Lands just launched with an episode on
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Johnny Depp that is available on the Badlands feed this week.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: We are dropping this episode. It's a season launch episode,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: so we're dropping it into the Disgraceland feed as well.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: But guys, this show, the show, the show, the episodes
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: on Hollywood figures, on actors and actresses, that is Badlands,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: that is not Disgraceland. We released those weekly as well,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: but you got to go to the bad Lands feed
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: and subscribe and follow bad Lands there to get all
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: the episodes in addition to the Disgraceland episodes that you
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: get here in this feed. All right, so subscribe to
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: bad Lands is what I'm saying. Number three. Next week
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: in the Disgraceland Feed, we start our head first deep
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: dive into the world of hip hop with some archive
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: releases to t up the next season of Disgraceland, which
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I am very excited to tell you about. Number four,
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  Speaker 1: my number six one seven nine oh six six six
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  Speaker 1: three eight call me on the telephone, text me all right,
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  Speaker 1: my moment of bliss me reading you the phone book.
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  Speaker 1: Lindon c T three five one one eighth Avenue South
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