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The Bolt Report | 26 December · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Goodness, he's the Bault reform it.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm James
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  Speaker 3: Macpherson coming up on the show tonight. Bad news for
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Elbanezi as we head into an election year. New
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  Speaker 3: analysis shows just how far behind the coalition he now
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  Speaker 3: is and where he's losing.
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  Speaker 2: The most of the votes.
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  Speaker 3: The gauntlet has been thrown down ahead of tomorrow's Victorian
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  Speaker 3: Liberal Party room meeting. Is it all over for John
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  Speaker 3: Pursuito and the Left can't even let us have Christmas?
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  Speaker 2: A new war is being waged on your.
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  Speaker 3: Christmas trees, presents, traveling to see family, even your Christmas turkey.
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  Speaker 3: I'll explain how these are all terrible for the environment
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  Speaker 3: and why you're a bad person for celebrating yesterday. It
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  Speaker 3: might be the happiest time of the year for some,
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  Speaker 3: but a lot of people are doing it tough this Christmas.
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  Speaker 3: The Salvation Army will join me with very important message
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  Speaker 3: a little later. But first, just when you think the
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  Speaker 3: ABC couldn't possibly be any worse, they managed to surprise you.
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  Speaker 3: I want to show you a letter the ABC Managing
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  Speaker 3: director David Anderson this week sent to former Special Forces
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  Speaker 3: soldier Heston Russell, now Russell, you'll remember, was one of
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  Speaker 3: the soldiers the ABC had accused of war crimes in Afghanistan,
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  Speaker 3: and they used doctored footage to do it. The ABC
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  Speaker 3: took footage of an Aussie soldier firing one shot from
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  Speaker 3: a helicopter and they manipulated the audio to make it
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  Speaker 3: sound like the soldier had fired six shots at Afghan civilians.
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  Speaker 3: When Heston Russell wrote to the ABC to express concerns
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  Speaker 3: about the supposed independence of their review into how the
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  Speaker 3: footage came to be docted, have a listen to the
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  Speaker 3: reply that he received. It began, dear mister Russell, thank
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  Speaker 3: you for your letter, dated two of December twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough.
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  Speaker 3: It goes on to say, I could assure you the
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  Speaker 3: review was undertaken independently, without interference or direction from ABC management.
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  Speaker 2: So far, so good.
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  Speaker 3: The let it continues, the ABC has accepted all of
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  Speaker 3: mister Sunderland's recommendations and is in the process of implementing them. Fine,
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  Speaker 3: But then have a look at the second last paragraph.
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  Speaker 3: It says, unfortunately we are unable to add another charity
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  Speaker 3: partner at this stage as we are working exclusively with
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  Speaker 3: Food Bank in all states and territories except for Tasmania
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  Speaker 3: for this campaign period.
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  Speaker 2: Excuse me, The managing director of the.
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  Speaker 3: ABC appears to have applied to Heston Russell by copying
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  Speaker 3: and pasting from another letter addressing charity partnerships. I dare
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  Speaker 3: say the ABC might be making a rather large donation
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  Speaker 3: to the Heston Russell charity at some point.
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  Speaker 2: In the near future. This is simply unbelievable.
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  Speaker 3: It begs the question did the ABC's managing director really
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  Speaker 3: reply to Heston Russell or was it a work experience
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  Speaker 3: in student The letter has David Anderson's signature, but did
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  Speaker 3: he read the letter before he signed it?
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  Speaker 2: It wouldn't appear so.
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  Speaker 3: If the ABC can't even write a six paragraph letter
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  Speaker 3: to Heston Russell with any integrity, what chance the ABC's
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  Speaker 3: independent investigation into the doctored footage used.
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  Speaker 2: To shame him has any integrity.
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  Speaker 3: And let's not talk about accuracy in reporting, talk about
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  Speaker 3: amateur hour. For one point one billion dollars a year,
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  Speaker 3: you'd expect better than that, and Heston Russell certainly deserves
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  Speaker 3: much better than that Our ABC.
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  Speaker 2: What a joke.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I hope you had a wonderful day yesterday with
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  Speaker 3: family and friends. But boy, oh boy, there was some
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  Speaker 3: bad Christmas takes over the past forty eight hours. AFL
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  Speaker 3: clubs used social media to wish supporters Mary Christmas, although
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  Speaker 3: two of Melbourne's biggest clubs couldn't quite bring themselves to
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  Speaker 3: say the Christmas word. The Richmond Football Club wished supporters
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  Speaker 3: a safe and happy time, which begged the question, a
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  Speaker 3: safe and happy what time?
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  Speaker 2: What time is it? Christmas time?
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  Speaker 3: Can't say that, you know what they can say though.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the Richmond Football Club's social media from March last year,
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  Speaker 3: wishing a blessed Ramadan to all those celebrating so they
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  Speaker 3: can boldly celebrate the Islamic holiday of Ramadan, wishing a
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  Speaker 3: blessing upon people, but they can't bring themselves to even
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  Speaker 3: mention the Christian holiday, the Christian holiday the majority of.
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  Speaker 2: Us subscribed to.
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  Speaker 3: When it comes to Christmas, Deniers Richmond wasn't Robin Crusoe.
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  Speaker 3: The Essen and Football Club told its supporters stay safe,
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  Speaker 3: stay well, Happy holidays to you all, but here they
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  Speaker 3: are on an Islamic holiday. Quote Happy Ramadan from all
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  Speaker 3: of us at Essendon and check out this exchange on
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  Speaker 3: Twitter between the Melbourne Cricket Ground media team and fans
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  Speaker 3: frustrated by works sporting organizations. The official MCG twitter account
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  Speaker 3: posted on Christmas morning, Happy Boxing Day Eve to all
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  Speaker 3: who celebrate now. Someone commented what is it with people
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  Speaker 3: in Melbourne not being able to say Mery Christmas, to
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  Speaker 3: which the official MCG accounts snapped back, were a cricket ground.
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  Speaker 3: We'll let you figure out the rest. Well, here's what
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  Speaker 3: I can't figure out. Why is the MCG just a
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  Speaker 3: cricket ground at Christmas but proudly Islamic at other times
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  Speaker 3: of the year. Ramadan Maburak to all those celebrating, said
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  Speaker 3: the SCG sure, just a cricket ground. And then, of
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  Speaker 3: course you had the leftist media celebrating Christmas as only
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  Speaker 3: they know how. Check out this headline from The New
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  Speaker 3: York Times. A former newspaper quote, why it matters that
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  Speaker 3: Jesus came from a dysfunctional family? What does it tell
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  Speaker 3: you a the New York Times that they equate sainthood
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  Speaker 3: with dysfunction. Of course, if Jesus had purple hair and
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  Speaker 3: was demanding access to women's bathrooms, you could bet the
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  Speaker 3: New York Times would be advocating for him, but no,
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  Speaker 3: he's just God in flesh, appearing dysfunctional. And then there
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  Speaker 3: was this two page spread headlined quote a conversation about
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  Speaker 3: the virgin birth that maybe wasn't Honestly, they chose Christmas
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  Speaker 3: to publish a piece debunking the virgin birth and arguing
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  Speaker 3: that Mary that had an affair or was raped by
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  Speaker 3: a Roman soldier. I guess they just kind of ran
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  Speaker 3: out of Russian collusion stories. You have to love the
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  Speaker 3: lefty media though. The virgin birth, that's ridiculous. Also, men
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  Speaker 3: can get pregnant and we need tampons in male bathrooms,
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  Speaker 3: just to show you how much the lefty media hates you.
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  Speaker 3: Having used Christmas to slander Jesus as dysfunctional and portray
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  Speaker 3: Maria as a rape victim. The new Pagan type Sorry
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  Speaker 3: New York Times ran this piece quote, why are so
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  Speaker 3: many Christians so cruel? Incredible? I've got just one question.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think any other religion would get this sort
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  Speaker 3: of treatment on their special holiday? The New York Times
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  Speaker 3: should really stick to stuff they're good at, like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, crossword puzzles. Maybe we could excuse the New
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  Speaker 3: York Times for not knowing any better, but Bear Grills, well,
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  Speaker 3: he should have known better. He produced a Christmas video
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  Speaker 3: with a company and caption that claimed Mary was a
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  Speaker 3: quote Middle Eastern refugee and a young, poor, and no
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  Speaker 3: doubt terrified Palestinian girl.
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  Speaker 4: This bit of the story is set in a place
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  Speaker 4: in Palestine first century Palestine called Bethlen and this is
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  Speaker 4: first person this part of the story from a young, scared, poor,
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  Speaker 4: young girl called Marian.
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  Speaker 2: No Bear Grills.
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  Speaker 3: The story is not set in first century Palestine. It's
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  Speaker 3: set in Judea, which was part of Israel. The area
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  Speaker 3: wasn't called Palestine until well after the birth of Christ,
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  Speaker 3: when the Romans gave it that name to slight the Jews.
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  Speaker 3: Mary wasn't Palestinian, and nor was she a refugee as
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  Speaker 3: we understand refugees today. She was a Jew descended from Abraham,
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  Speaker 3: Isaac and Jacob, and she fled with her baby to
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  Speaker 3: Egypt to escape the murderous King Herod, but promptly returned
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  Speaker 3: to her homeland the moment it was safe to do so.
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  Speaker 3: Using the Christmas story to try to eradicate the Jews
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  Speaker 3: in the state of Israel is disgraceful, especially from someone
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  Speaker 3: who should know better.
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  Speaker 2: But it gets worse.
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  Speaker 3: According to the Telegraph, Church of England ministers were instructed
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  Speaker 3: to water down the Christmas message this year so as
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  Speaker 3: not to upset diverse communities or inflame tensions over the
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  Speaker 3: war in Gaza. Clergy in Birmingham were warned to avoid
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  Speaker 3: carols that overly emphasize Israel, which is kind of hard
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  Speaker 3: since that's where the story happened, and to avoid any
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  Speaker 3: suggestion that Jesus was the true Messiah or that Christianity
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  Speaker 3: was the one true religion. If the Church of England
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  Speaker 3: is warning its priests not to imply that Christianity is
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  Speaker 3: true at Christmas, what then is the point of the
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  Speaker 3: Church of England. You might as well just stay home
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  Speaker 3: reading the New York Times. By the way, does anyone
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  Speaker 3: think imams are combing the Quran to delete things that
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  Speaker 3: might upset Christians or Jews for that matter. Pro Palestinian
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  Speaker 3: protesters disrupted a Christmas Mass in Dublin and received applause
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  Speaker 3: from members of the congregation who I assume must have
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  Speaker 3: been Essendon supporters or maybe staffers from the ncg's media team.
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  Speaker 2: Jesus give me strength.
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  Speaker 3: But there was another attack on Christmas that caught my
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  Speaker 3: eye and this one subtle but telling. Check out this
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  Speaker 3: video from Justin Trudeau's Transport minister.
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  Speaker 5: Don't forget we need your urgent approval to clear Santa's
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  Speaker 5: flight he scheduled to take off soon. It's one of
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  Speaker 5: your new responsibilities as Minister of Transport.
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  Speaker 2: I've been so looking forward to doing this.
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  Speaker 1: Is Santa well rested and ready to fly?
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  Speaker 5: Santa submitted all his preclearance forms, and the reindeer are
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  Speaker 5: healthy and ready to fly.
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  Speaker 6: Oh hi, Santa, Hello, minister, I've just received your flight
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  Speaker 6: plan and I'm giving you the green light to take off. Santa.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I know it's a fun video for the kids,
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  Speaker 3: but did you notice the way kids being taught that
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  Speaker 3: even imaginary characters have to submit to the dictates of government.
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  Speaker 3: If the reindeers emit too much flatulence, or if Santa's
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  Speaker 3: workshop is not found to be compliant with government DEI policies,
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  Speaker 3: then watch out. Caught me old fashioned, But no government
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  Speaker 3: should be authorizing Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's just a bit of fun.
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  Speaker 3: Still, it's a little insight into how government ministers perceive
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  Speaker 3: their place in the universe.
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  Speaker 2: Not even Santa.
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  Speaker 3: Gets to fly without first filling out the required paperwork
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  Speaker 3: and receiving confirmation of approval. No wonder so many have
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  Speaker 3: a problem with Jesus. Well, it was fitting that Anthony
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  Speaker 3: Albanesi spent Christmas in Darwin remembering natural disasters, because he's
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  Speaker 3: currently presiding over numerous disasters of his own making. Wherever
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  Speaker 3: you look the economy, foreign affairs, housing, energy, social cohesion disasters.
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  Speaker 1: Everywhere there was a natural disaster on a catastrophic scale,
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  Speaker 1: stating communities with the force that still has the power
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  Speaker 1: to shock.
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  Speaker 3: That was Anthony Albineze talking today about the Boxing Day tsunami.
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  Speaker 3: But what's frightening is he could just as well have
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  Speaker 3: been talking about the state of the country under his watch.
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  Speaker 3: Name one thing that's going well in this country right
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  Speaker 3: now apart from our batsman. And if the PM was
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  Speaker 3: hoping news poll would bring him some Christmas cheer, well
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  Speaker 3: he'd be sorely disappointed. Socks and andies would be exciting
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  Speaker 3: compared to what the latest polls have brought him. Labour
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  Speaker 3: has lost votes among women, both genders now evenly split
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  Speaker 3: in their support for the two major parties. Labour has
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  Speaker 3: lost support amongst the all important thirty five to forty
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  Speaker 3: nine year old age bracket. These are the people with
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  Speaker 3: mortgages and Labour's lost support in Victoria, where their vote
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  Speaker 3: has dropped five percent in the short time since Albanzi
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  Speaker 3: was elected.
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  Speaker 2: Albanezi is now no.
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  Speaker 3: More popular in the Socialist Republic of Victoria than Peter Dutton,
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  Speaker 3: speaking of whom the left of always assured us that Peter.
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  Speaker 2: Dutton was utterly unelectable.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he's now a dead heat with the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 3: on net approval rating. None of this should be a
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  Speaker 3: surprise to Anthony Albanesi, whose last good day was licking
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  Speaker 3: ice cream at the tennis back in January of twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty three. The surprise is that anyone, apart from those
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  Speaker 3: in the unions or the public service, could still support
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  Speaker 3: this government. The only demographic in which Labor is now
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  Speaker 3: ahead is with young voters.
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  Speaker 2: What does that tell you?
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  Speaker 3: News poll has the two party preferred vote tied at
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  Speaker 3: fifty to fifty. But don't believe the polls. Believe the
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  Speaker 3: betting agencies. The tab has the Coalition favored at a
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  Speaker 3: dollar sixty five to win next year's election, while sports
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  Speaker 3: bet have them at a dollar seventy two. Both agencies
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  Speaker 3: have labour drifting out to more than two dollars. It
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  Speaker 3: took Darwin years to recover from the disaster of Cyclone Tracy.
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  Speaker 3: It'll take Australia decades to recover from the disaster of
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  Speaker 3: Albanesi's labor government. And the polls are starting to show
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  Speaker 3: that Australians are now ready to trust Peter Dutton and
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  Speaker 3: the Coalition with cleaning up the labor mess.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's go straight to the news.
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  Speaker 3: Joining me is Wordsmith and all round, gentlemen, Kel, Richards, Kel,
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  Speaker 3: thanks for being with me these news poll results.
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  Speaker 1: Are you surprised, Well, you said it yourself. No one
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  Speaker 1: should be surprised by this. There's an old saying in polling.
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  Speaker 1: The trend is your friend. And the trend has been
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  Speaker 1: consistent and has been going this way for a long
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  Speaker 1: time now. And there are I mean, you can analyze
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  Speaker 1: the reasons, you can talk about why it's the case.
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  Speaker 1: It has been a more expensive Christmas for a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot of people. Whole hands, whole leg of hands were
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  Speaker 1: not available because people couldn't afford in any more than
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  Speaker 1: half a leg of ham. Lots of little indicators that
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  Speaker 1: everyone is feeling the pinch. It's really tough for everyone.
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  Speaker 1: And it's Albaneze's fault or it's his government's fault. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that it's personally his fault because he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: appear to have a lot of control of his government.
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  Speaker 1: The minister deceivem to do whatever they want. Whatever's on
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  Speaker 1: their mind is what they decide to do. But you
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  Speaker 1: have a look at a government which has flooded the
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  Speaker 1: market with money. The International Monetary Fund has now said, yes,
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  Speaker 1: we agree with the RBA. That's dangerous. That pushes up inflation.
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  Speaker 1: More money chasing the same goods and services prices go up.
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  Speaker 1: That's called inflation. That's what the Abanezi government has given us.
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  Speaker 1: And Chris Bowen has worked very hard at this. He
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  Speaker 1: deserves credit because if power prices go up, everything goes up.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone who uses power, warehouses, factories, shops, they all have
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  Speaker 1: to put their prices off and pass on the increase
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  Speaker 1: in power. That's what's happened now. When that happens, we
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  Speaker 1: really are worse off now. Donald Trump said repeatedly in
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  Speaker 1: the election campaign, are you better off now than you
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  Speaker 1: were four years ago? If Dunn't takes that line and
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  Speaker 1: says are you better off now? Than you were three
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  Speaker 1: years ago. There will be there will be just it.
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  Speaker 1: People say, of course we're not.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, yeah right, let's got polled.
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  Speaker 1: Are telling us.
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  Speaker 3: You mentioned inflation, and of course that's meant that the
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  Speaker 3: RBA has had to keep interest rates high, which you
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  Speaker 3: also mentioned. The IMF have said, of course they do.
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  Speaker 3: It's interesting this news poll shows that the big four
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  Speaker 3: for support for Albanesis amongst that thirty five to forty
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  Speaker 3: nine year old cohort, they of course the people with mortgages.
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  Speaker 3: Now Albinizi has done things like, you know, free childcare
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  Speaker 3: pretty much for everybody. I think what's the threshold five
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  Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars so most people will be getting that?
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  Speaker 3: Is that enough? Do you think to persuade mortgage holders
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  Speaker 3: that Middle Australia. Do you think Albanezi can turn it
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  Speaker 3: around before an election which is due by May next year.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to come fast.
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  Speaker 1: I can't see how he can turn it around. That
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  Speaker 1: childcare move is not good news for anyone, because as
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  Speaker 1: long as you increase childcare subsidies and make it more
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  Speaker 1: widely available, not means tested, but as long as you
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  Speaker 1: increase them, in the end, the company's running childcare headers
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  Speaker 1: allow businesses put up their prices, there ends up being
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  Speaker 1: no benefit. I mean, there is a simple way out
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  Speaker 1: of the childcare miss which the Albanizi government can't think of,
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  Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be surprised if Peter Dutton does. You
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  Speaker 1: pay childcare subsidies to parents, and then one parent might
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  Speaker 1: decide to stay home and raise their own child, or
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  Speaker 1: they can use that money to subsidize their childcare. But
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  Speaker 1: you pay it to the parent. Once you're paying it
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  Speaker 1: to companies, it's a dead loss. It actually doesn't help anyone,
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  Speaker 1: and it doesn't create any additional places. Paying it to
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  Speaker 1: parents will create additional places because there'll be some parents
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  Speaker 1: who will stay home and look after the kids, bing
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  Speaker 1: go more places in the current childcare centers. So there
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  Speaker 1: are things that could be done. But Anthony Albinize is
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  Speaker 1: displayed this remarkable. It's almost astonishing inability to read the room,
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  Speaker 1: know where people are, know what people are worried about.
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  Speaker 3: You mentioned supermarkets selling half a leg of hand because
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  Speaker 3: people can't afford to buy the whole thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the latest data says breakfast Cereal cheese of jumped by
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  Speaker 3: twenty percent over the last two years. Fruit as well
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  Speaker 3: is up by more than twenty percent, the price of
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  Speaker 3: gas and insurance up by thirty percent in the last
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  Speaker 3: two years. I'm going to be talking to someone from
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  Speaker 3: the Salvation Army shortly because there's a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: doing it tough.
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  Speaker 2: But I think you're right.
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  Speaker 3: People can't keep hemorrhaging like this. You go to the supermarket,
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  Speaker 3: you start scanning things. I mean, whatever the government say,
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  Speaker 3: you can't argue with that price that gets wrung up
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  Speaker 3: at the supermarket.
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  Speaker 1: Look, that's exactly right. And what we actually get from
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  Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers as the treasurer is we get platitudes. We
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  Speaker 1: know you're doing it tough. Yes, thanks Jim.
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  Speaker 2: If we don't need a commentary, we need solution.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, And we are doing everything we can
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  Speaker 1: as a government to help people who are struggling. Well,
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  Speaker 1: no they're not. They are on a temporary basis subsidized
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  Speaker 1: subsidizing our power bills. But we know that's not getting
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  Speaker 1: them down. It's just big power bills. The same people
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  Speaker 1: who promised us cuts of two hundred and seventy five
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  Speaker 1: dollars and gave us increases of a thousand dollars and
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  Speaker 1: now subsidizing it, so it doesn't feel so bad. But
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  Speaker 1: we can see what's going on. The Australian electorate is
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  Speaker 1: very intelligent. You're a bunch of very bright people. We
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  Speaker 1: can't be fooled like that. So we can see that
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: these people have got no idea what to do. They
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: want government to be bigger, they want to spend more money,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: and in the end it just doesn't help us.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: The other interesting thing from Newspaul was support for the
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Greens has fallen slightly.
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you'll have some comments as to why you
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: think that might be the case. And you mentioned that
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: the public are quite smart. This would prove that.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: But it's interesting.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Adam Bant is now sort of pleading almost that in
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: the event of no clear majority, that Labour should cooperate
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: with the Greens. He's slightly moderated, his tone now less
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: demanding and more trying to convince Anthony Alban easy, this
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: would be a smart move if you cooperated with us,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: despite the fact Albo has said he won't.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Do you believe him?
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I certainly believe what he's saying because I can
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: hear the tone of desperation in his voice. What has
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: happened is the mask has slipped. They call themselves Greens,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and we all thought, ah, yes, they're environmental, they're going
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: to protect the environment. We don't want a lot of pollution,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: we want a clean environment. We'll vote Greens, and so
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: lots of progressive people voted Greens. But the mask has slipped.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: We now understand they actually are anti Semitic, they're pro Palestine,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: they're anti the state of Israel. That is the issue
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: which has exposed how radical they are, how left wing
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: they are to everybody. And suddenly it's not a secret anymore.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Everyone knows just what they're like. So he's begging in
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the end, you want my tip. I know the election
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: date hasn't even been given yet.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Come on, this is a.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Really stupid thing to do, but that's never stopped me
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: in the past. I think Peter Dutton will win this,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: and this is what the newspot figures are actually telling us.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: He can win it, and he can have a majority
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: on his own account. And the reason is the Poles
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: are not capturing a certain group of people in America.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: The polls told us the election was too close to
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: all Trump won in a landslide. We're being told here.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a labor minority government and it
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: won't happen because they can't reach a certain group of people.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: When the polsters ring up and they say to people,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: will you take part in a poll, there's a group
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: who say no, we won't take part. That's the group
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: that's been getting bigger. More and more people are declining
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: to take part, and they are the people who go
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: to vote coalition. They are the people who aren't showing
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: up in the polls and they are going to give
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Dutton a big win this year. Now, whether you agree
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: or not agree, write that down and say Kel was
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: right or Kel was an idiot. But that's my pick.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: I reckon you might be onto something. I just hope
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: that Peter Dutton is bold in the lead up to
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: this election. Don't play it safe, don't play small, targetive
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: us an give us a real alternatives proposing nuclear etc.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Give us a real alternative. Trump taught that if you
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: go big, you can win big. If you're a conservative
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: and you stand your ground, people will respect you. And
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: I hope Peter Dutton is learning from that.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Let's wait and see.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Kel. Richard's always good to talk to. Thanks for your
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: hot tip too.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: By the way, we'll remember what you said and we'll
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: hold you accountable for.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: It if you'll hold it against me. Wordy.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Thanks kel Well.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: It might have been a happy Christmas for some, but
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: not Victorian Liberal leader John Persuto. Tomorrow he'll face his
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: party room in a special meeting where his leadership will
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: be challenged. Joining me is Sky and his contributor James
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Bolt and Will Kingston, the host of the Spectator Australia's
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Fire at Will podcast. Gentlemen, thanks for joining me on
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: this Boxing day. Brad Batton has raised his hand and
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: announced he will challenge for the leadership. James, what do
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: you reckon? Is he the right person for the job.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: He's a former police well, he's the current shadow police minister.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: He's a former police officer. He's got that in common
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: with Peter Dutton, right move.
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: I think I'm not sorry about the right man for
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: the job. He's certainly going to be the better man
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: for the job. But the problem is there's a whole
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: lot of people that are the better man.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: For the job.
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: The Turkey carcass that I've been picking out all afternoon
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: could probably mount it's a better argument for leadership than
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: John Persuda Right now, my worry with Brad Batten is
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: that I've been hearing his name in leadership talks ever
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: since the last date election, which means that for two
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: years now over half the Victorian Liberal Party have woken
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: up every single day and thought, no, John Pisudo, he's
• 23:17
  Speaker 8: still my guy, which tells me that Brad Baden is
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: impressive when he comes to Sky News. Perhaps I'm missing something,
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: but I don't think he's got the backing of the
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: colleagues that have been knowing him better than any of
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: us for the last two years.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I think you're right.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Will the meeting set for tomorrow will include a vote
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: on whether MOI Redeeming should be allowed to re enter
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: the party room. That would seem to almost be a certainty,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: of course, But what do you think Brad Batten will
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: learn about the kind of leader that's required to break
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: through from this whole extraordinary fiasco.
• 23:54
  Speaker 9: Well, that principles matter in politics, James, And this is
• 23:58
  Speaker 9: I think the really important point. Persuto is, in my opinion,
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: the weakest leader that I can recall in Australian public life,
• 24:05
  Speaker 9: because he has so fundamentally abrogated any sort of principle
• 24:10
  Speaker 9: on one of the foundational cultural questions of our day
• 24:14
  Speaker 9: and age, and so his position isn't tenable. Baton, I
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: think there is some reasons to be optimistic. He comes
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: from the right of the party. Most liberal leaders who
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: have been successful have come from the conservative side of
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: the broad Church as opposed to the classically liberal side.
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: And to the point you just made, I think he
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: can actually tell a good story about how his experience
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: maps back to the big challenges facing Victoria. He was
• 24:41
  Speaker 9: a small business owner in addition to being a police officer,
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: and if I was here, I'd be talking up that
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: experience when you're thinking about the economy and when you're
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: thinking about crime in Victoria. Bottom line, though, is that anyone,
• 24:53
  Speaker 9: anyone would be better than John Pursuda.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: The other interesting thing about this, and it fascinates me,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: is that John Pursuto has not resigned ahead of this
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: showdown tomorrow. The fact that he is holding on for
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: grim death right to the end, when he's had so
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: many opportunities to turn this situation around or to take
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: an exit ramp himself and retain some form of dignity
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: is simply extraordinary. Anyway, all of that will be unfold tomorrow.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: If the Victorian Liberals are in need of some lessons,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: they need look no further than the US Democrats. An
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: election post mortim has found the Democrats lost the election.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Get this because they were weak and overly focused on diversity.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: What a surprise. I can't believe they needed a report
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: to tell them this. But James, the Democrats have been
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: labeled complacent, lazy, had their heads stuck in the sand,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: and not friends of the working class. All true, but
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: we see pretty much the same symptoms from the left,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: not just here but right around the world, don't we.
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: I think with the Democrats, what you had was taking
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: voters for grantzed. You had Kamala Joy sorry Kamala Harris,
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: come out and say this is going to be the
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: joy campaign. It's going to be the Vibes campaign. We're
• 26:10
  Speaker 8: going to bring happiness back, neglecting the fact that seventy
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: percent of American people thought the country was headed in
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: the wrong direction and certainly weren't feeling joyful every time
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: they went to pay for groceries. The problem with the
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: Democratic Party in that was that they just completely forgot
• 26:25
  Speaker 8: the people are suffering. But they just thought, well, they
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: voted Democrats their entire life, and they're going to do
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: it again. You would have thought after twenty sixteen, when
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: Hillary Clinton called half the country deplorables and refused to
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: visit Wisconsin, that that would have been a mistake they
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: wouldn't never have made again.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: But yet here we are eight.
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: Years later, and it really does make me think, is
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: Donald Trump really a generational political talent, someone that just
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: cuts through in ways that other politicians can't, or did
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: he just simply come up against Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris,
• 26:54
  Speaker 8: the two worst presidential candidates of all time.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: I reckon, if you us Donald Trump, I know what
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: he would say, James.
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: I think it's the greatest person ever and Bidenscham of
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: one in twenty twenty and for the rest of the world, Yeah,
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: you do see conservatives starting to make gains in Europe
• 27:15
  Speaker 8: as well.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: And I just think it.
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: Comes back to the fact that there is a whole
• 27:19
  Speaker 8: lot of people hurting. They used to vote left wing
• 27:22
  Speaker 8: parties because those were the parties that cared about the
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: people that were hurting, and it's just simply not the
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: case anymore.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: All Right, I want to ask you both about the
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: lefts insane desire to destroy all happiness even at Christmas.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: I spoke about this before, how there's been so many
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: bad Christmas takes, but this one.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Tops the lot.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Politico have published an article titled quote Toxic slime and
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: gassy trees, Three ways Christmas is busting the planet.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Now you can see where this is going, can't.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: The article says, Politico Sustainability and Data teams are here
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: to lower your mood. Sounds exciting with a list of
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: ways this fiesta of consumerism is wrecking the planet. So
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: the first issue for Politicos sustainability in data teams is
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: your Christmas tree a real Christmas tree amidst too much
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: CO two sixteen kilos in fact, apparently, And don't think
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: getting a fake Christmas tree will is any better, because
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: it's worse a plastic tree am it's on average forty
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: kilograms of CO two equivalent because plastic is made from
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: fossil fuels. But it gets worse. Next on Politico's hit
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: list is toys not safe enough. And finally, Politico's journalists
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: are down on everyone for traveling at Christmas and eating
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: extravagant meals.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: If you're going to afford them, will.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Did you think about your emissions this Christmas and did
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: you feel guilty about all the food you ate on
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Christmas lunch?
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: No?
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: And no, James, what we're witnessing in Western politics is
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: something quite extraordinary, and that is that for the first time,
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: the right are the cool kids, and the left with
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: this sort of authoritarian kill joy nonsense, the boring ones.
• 29:04
  Speaker 9: And it really is quite astonishing. There's one of my
• 29:07
  Speaker 9: favorite quotes is from Nick Ka and Nick Kay have said,
• 29:09
  Speaker 9: how do you be counter cultural in twenty twenty four?
• 29:13
  Speaker 9: You become a conservative, you become religious, you go to church.
• 29:16
  Speaker 9: And I think that this is a really interesting insight
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: into now the left have just had all of the
• 29:22
  Speaker 9: joy and ironically all of the joy and fun sucked
• 29:26
  Speaker 9: out of them, and the implications of that are stuck,
• 29:29
  Speaker 9: particularly when you look at the way that people like
• 29:32
  Speaker 9: Farage and Trump are starting to connect with young voters.
• 29:37
  Speaker 9: I can't say a really easy path out for the
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: left because this just mentality is so pervasive across all
• 29:44
  Speaker 9: of the institutions.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Now, yeah, you're absolutely right.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: If the left have their way, life will be pretty joyless.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: James Bolt, Will Kingston, Happy Boxing Day, and I appreciate
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: you joining me tonight, well after the break, it might
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: be the happiest time a year for some, but not
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: for everybody. The Salvation Army joins me in a moment
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: with a very important Christmas message, welcome back. Well, most
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: of us spent today tucking into leftovers and enjoying a
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: day of rest after a big Christmas Day, but a
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: lot of people find this time of year incredibly stressful.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: The cost of living crisis has hit a lot of
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: people hard, and all of that, of course, is exaggerated
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: at Christmas time. It might be the happiest time of year,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: but not for everyone. Joining me is the Salvation Army's
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Major Brendan Nottel. Brendan, thanks for coming in tonight. I
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: understand the Salvation Army were running Christmas lunches right around
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: the country yesterday, and I heard that the Salvos were
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: expecting yesterday. Might well be the biggest Christmas you've ever had.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Tell me about it.
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: We're still getting our figures in James, but we will
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: run off our feet. And I think the word overwhelmed
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: just the word that really comes to mind for me.
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: Overwhelmed on a couple of fronts.
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: So I think I was staggered by the number of
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: volunteers that turned up, gave up there Christmas Day for others,
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: just Australia at its best and people's generosity around food,
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: around toy donations was incredible, but overwhelmed too to see
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: the number of people that came through. So I've been
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: doing this work in the city of Melbourne for twenty
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: two years. I've never seen the numbers that we saw
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: yesterday and in fact that we've seen right throughout December.
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: So it's an indication of very clear indication that an
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: increasing number of people are doing it really tough at
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: the moment.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: I know you said you're still collating the figures, but
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: you said you're in Melbourne yesterday. What sort of numbers
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: are we talking about? People trying to access the Salvation
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Army for Christmas lunch.
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, So Christmas Brunch we had on yesterday morning, so
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: normally we get three hundred and three fifty. Yesterday six fifty,
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: So that's an indication that numbers are through the roof.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: We have another lunch where we normally get.
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: Around three fifty four hundred.
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: We had five fifty at that lunch yesterday, so it's
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: a clear indication every Christmas event that we've run right
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: throughout December has seen a significant increase in the numbers.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: And to these homeless people or these people from suburbs
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: who simply can't afford a Christmas What sort of people
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: are making.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Use of the Salvation Army Christmas lunches.
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Historically it's been people that have been homeless or
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: at risk of homelessness, but we're seeing first time as now.
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: So the Salvation Army conducted some research and found that
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: one point nine million people would be reaching out to
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: our services across Australia and fifty five percent of that
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: group would be first time seekers of help.
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: So that's significant and.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: We see it.
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: You can actually tell when someone comes into the center.
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: We've got four hundred centers around the country. You can
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: actually tell when someone's coming in for the first time
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: because there's often this sense of shame that heads down
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: and you know they're thinking, I just this is the.
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: Last place I want to be.
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: And some of the people that we see coming in
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: for help are actually people that previously have donated to
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: the Salvos or to organizations like ours, and they've done
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: nothing wrong.
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: You know that they.
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: Haven't made a mistake. It's simply they can't make ends meet.
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: So we've had, you know, mums with kids come into
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: our centers and they've got a partner that's off working
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: really hard trying to make ends meet, and they simply can't.
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: And we're seeing, you know, it's things like Melbourne, Sydney
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: Brisbane have three of the highest rental markets.
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: In the world. So when you look at those figures, it's.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: Not people's fault that they can't make ends meat it's
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: just really tough for so many.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Just talking to people yesterday here in Melbourne, what sort
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: of stories were you hearing, Well.
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: I think there's a really deep sense of uncertainty now
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: about the immediate future for people. So people are saying,
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: I just don't know what else I can do. So
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: rent is out of control and out of their control.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: We've got interest rates that are significantly high, and people
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: aren't sure what the future is for interest rates here
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: in this country. And we've got people actually saying to us,
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: I've switched off my power because I'm really worried that
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: I won't be able to pay the energy bill. And
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: that's really concerning when people are health compromised, because potentially,
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: like some of the days we're experiencing across Australia. At
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: the moment, it's life and death for some people if
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: they don't switch the air conditioning on. So these are
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: really troubling times for so many Australians.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: With a new year about to begin, obviously people start
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: to reset things. What advice have you got for people
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: who are struggling? What do you say to them in
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: terms of moving forward?
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's great they.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Got Christmas lunch yesterday, but the Salvos can't provide lunch
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: every single day. What do you tell people to try
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: and put them on the right path.
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: Two things, One is don't panic. So if you're not
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: making ends meat, don't be overwhelmed. Actually reach out to
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: organizations like the Salvation Army. So we run an excellent
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: program called money Care that can assist, and there are
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: other organizations that run excellent.
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: Programs as well.
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: And the other thing that we would say to another
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: group of people is don't put your head in the sand.
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: If you're feeling that things are overwhelming at the moment,
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: don't ignore it. Actually do something about it, and we
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: can do some work with you around the immediate help
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: that is required to make into meat. But we'll sit
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: down with you and look at perhaps restructuring some of
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: the financial issues that you have for the medium to
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: long term so that we help get you back on
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: your feet again.
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: Help there, and I.
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: Think people need to reach out to Salvos and organizations
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: like ours, but reach out to family and friends and
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: just have an honest conversation.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you still use the slogan thank
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: God for the Salvos?
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Do you guys still use that slogan?
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: I don't use it myself.
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: I feel uncomfortable with it, but people still use it absolutely.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it definitely applies.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: And in the lead up to Christmas, of course there's
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: a Salvation Army appeal, which I know people are always
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: very willing to support. I just wanted to ask you
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: before we go to a break. Is that still continuing
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: right now if people wanted to donate? Obviously we've just
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: had Christmas, But as you say, the work continues in
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: helping people who have fallen on hard times. Are people
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: still able to donate? And if people watching want to
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: do so, how do they go about that?
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: Well, the interesting thing, James is the need doesn't stop
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: when Christmas stops, so the need continues on right throughout
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: the year and it's on the increase. So whatever people
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: can donate is really gratefully appreciate it. And I'll tell
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: you what I mentioned the word overwhelmed before, incredibly overwhelmed
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: at the amazing generosity of Australian. So when life is tough,
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: Australia is the sort of nation that actually looks out
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: for those that are doing it tough. They're amazing to
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: be really honest. And so if people can help, they
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: can go to Salvationami dot org dot au or thirteen
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: Salvos and whatever they can donate would be really gratefully appreciated.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Terrific.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Well, congratulations on all that you and the church are
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: doing to help people. And we're really appreciative of all
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: your hard work. Thank you, Thank you James and the
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Sky and News and all your viewers.
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: We really appreciate you.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: It's our absolute pleasure.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Well, after the break, it's been twenty years since the
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Boxing Day tsunami. Will reflect on that anniversary in just
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: a moment. Well, today is a grim anniversary, twenty years
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: since the horrific Boxing Day tsunami, a day many of
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: us will still remember vividly. The devastation from the tsunami
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: was absolutely horrific. More than two hundred and twenty seven
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: thousand people killed, including twenty six Australians. It's believed to
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: have been the deadliest tsunami in human history. Joining me
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: is journalist Charles Miranda, who traveled to Thailand in the
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: aftermath of the tsunami. Charles, thanks for your time tonight.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Take us back to when you visited the scene of
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: the tsunami and just taught me through the devastation you
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: saw firsthand.
• 37:22
  Speaker 10: James, it was it was absolutely it was absolute.
• 37:25
  Speaker 11: I mean it was it was as far as the
• 37:28
  Speaker 11: eye can see of devastation.
• 37:30
  Speaker 10: I mean, you know.
• 37:32
  Speaker 11: Where there were once houses and shops and shop fronts
• 37:36
  Speaker 11: and markets and all the rest of it was literally nothing.
• 37:40
  Speaker 11: You know, there was patrol boat eight one three, which
• 37:43
  Speaker 11: we later found out was one nautical mile off shore
• 37:47
  Speaker 11: at the end of the tsunami, it was two kilometers
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: inland and that ship is still there today. The Navy
• 37:53
  Speaker 11: patroller at the eight one three. I mean, it's that
• 37:56
  Speaker 11: level of devastation if you can imagine that two kilometers
• 37:59
  Speaker 11: from the show line, it was pushing houses pushing whole ships,
• 38:04
  Speaker 11: fishing vessels and all the rest of it.
• 38:06
  Speaker 10: It was pure devastation. There's nothing ever like it.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to know when you arrived there, I
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: guess you know, you go to events with preconceptions as
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: to what you're going to encounter. Were you prepared for
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: what you saw and how did it affect you personally?
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: No.
• 38:25
  Speaker 11: Look, I was in Vietnam and so you know, the
• 38:28
  Speaker 11: reports were starting to come through that there was some
• 38:31
  Speaker 11: sort of tsunami. The tsunami warning, as you know, it
• 38:34
  Speaker 11: went went up and down the entire coastline. In fact,
• 38:39
  Speaker 11: such was the magnitude of the tsunami the world literally
• 38:44
  Speaker 11: jumped by ten millimeters that day and it was felt
• 38:48
  Speaker 11: in Alaska on the other side of the world. And
• 38:51
  Speaker 11: so the warnings went out all throughout the coastline of Vietnam,
• 38:55
  Speaker 11: and obviously Ground zero was down in Archa in Indonesia
• 38:58
  Speaker 11: and also Thailand.
• 38:59
  Speaker 10: So I rang work and said, is this huge?
• 39:03
  Speaker 11: It sounds pretty huge, And by that stage reports were
• 39:06
  Speaker 11: coming through. Yes, it's big, you know, you need to
• 39:08
  Speaker 11: get That was on holidays, but they said, if you
• 39:10
  Speaker 11: don't mind going down there and seeing what was there
• 39:14
  Speaker 11: flying in obviously the airport was barely workable, but the
• 39:18
  Speaker 11: airstrip was clear. Obviously they had to clear it to start,
• 39:22
  Speaker 11: allowing for the Sea one thirties and other humanitarian aid
• 39:25
  Speaker 11: to come through. But again the devastation was immense, and
• 39:29
  Speaker 11: also the people. I mean, let's not forget a quarter
• 39:32
  Speaker 11: of a million people died, many many tens of thousands
• 39:37
  Speaker 11: with just within Thailand. I mean I was in cow Lak.
• 39:40
  Speaker 11: There were four thousand locals lost there. They think it
• 39:44
  Speaker 11: could be up to fourteen thousand. Of course, a lot
• 39:46
  Speaker 11: of the workers were from Burma and not registered. They
• 39:49
  Speaker 11: were just illegal migrants work in the fields and so forth.
• 39:53
  Speaker 11: And the mentality that people, I think was what really
• 39:56
  Speaker 11: struck me. I mean, you know, the blank faces, no
• 39:59
  Speaker 11: one can really talk.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 40:01
  Speaker 10: It was just absolutely absolute horror.
• 40:04
  Speaker 11: A lot of tears by all those around you, and
• 40:08
  Speaker 11: a lot of I mean, you don't get the sort
• 40:10
  Speaker 11: of aid that you would in a western country, so
• 40:13
  Speaker 11: you haven't got counselors there immediately to talk to these people.
• 40:17
  Speaker 11: And some of the things they were they were thinking
• 40:19
  Speaker 11: and saying, is you know, I remember one woman there
• 40:23
  Speaker 11: was concrete steps to a house, but there was no
• 40:26
  Speaker 11: house there. There was just a deep pit, and there
• 40:29
  Speaker 11: was a pump running to pump water out, and she
• 40:32
  Speaker 11: was sitting on that front step saying, I'm just wanting
• 40:33
  Speaker 11: for my husband to come home. And initially I thought, well,
• 40:37
  Speaker 11: maybe he's getting supplies or something, and you know where
• 40:40
  Speaker 11: is he.
• 40:41
  Speaker 10: Oh, he's here behind me. And obviously the mentality.
• 40:45
  Speaker 11: Of her thinking that he was just going to emerge
• 40:47
  Speaker 11: once the water was pumped out, and she was saying, yeah,
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: the water will go down and he'll come back out
• 40:52
  Speaker 11: to me and sit with me.
• 40:53
  Speaker 10: I'm preparing his lunch. Would you like to join us?
• 40:55
  Speaker 11: And it's that sort of thing, So you know, it
• 40:59
  Speaker 11: was from a person perspective.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously that's just a tragic story. I admired
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: journos like yourself who can.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Go to those places.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: How do you focus on doing your job, which is
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: to report to the world what's happened without being so
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: personally caught up and affected by it that you're just
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: unable to I don't know function, I would really struggle
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: in a situation like that.
• 41:26
  Speaker 11: Look, you're sitting morevious to events around you and those
• 41:30
  Speaker 11: around you and those emotions around you. But you've got
• 41:33
  Speaker 11: a job to do, and that's the report to the
• 41:37
  Speaker 11: rest of the world.
• 41:37
  Speaker 10: They want to know what's going on, and you want to.
• 41:41
  Speaker 11: Do your job, and so you just go for however
• 41:44
  Speaker 11: long it takes days in this case it was weeks,
• 41:48
  Speaker 11: and get on with it, and you do become involved
• 41:50
  Speaker 11: in the story. There was a young Swedish family and
• 41:53
  Speaker 11: very tragically and sadly they lost their children and they
• 41:58
  Speaker 11: asked me, can you help look for them? And I'm like, well,
• 42:02
  Speaker 11: of course, if I see anybody, I'll show me photos
• 42:06
  Speaker 11: of their children. And they pointed to this makeshift morg
• 42:11
  Speaker 11: and said no, can you go look for them in there?
• 42:14
  Speaker 11: And you know, it's kind of obviously not my role.
• 42:18
  Speaker 11: I'm not a professional in that sense to do that,
• 42:20
  Speaker 11: but you know I would have gone through a hundred
• 42:23
  Speaker 11: body bags that day looking for their loved ones and
• 42:26
  Speaker 11: just looking for blonde hair. Really that's all you could
• 42:28
  Speaker 11: or you could you could do, and to report back
• 42:31
  Speaker 11: for them. So you do become involved in the story.
• 42:35
  Speaker 11: You try not to be, you don't want to be
• 42:37
  Speaker 11: the story, but obviously you're a human being as well,
• 42:40
  Speaker 11: and you want to help anyone who's in need, especially
• 42:44
  Speaker 11: for that family who work very much in need and
• 42:46
  Speaker 11: very traumatized.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: I just want to ask you one more question before
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: we go, as someone who was there, who saw the
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: aftermath of it, saw that the human tragedy of it.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: I know it's twenty years ago, but I'm sure it
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: has a lasting effect on you. What did it change
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: about I guess your perspective in life. Did it make
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: a difference to you moving forward having been there and
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: seen what happened?
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 43:14
  Speaker 11: Look, the frailty of humankind, I guess is always there,
• 43:19
  Speaker 11: especially when you do cover a lot of these stories.
• 43:21
  Speaker 11: So I guess in that sense, it does. The fragility
• 43:25
  Speaker 11: of it all, it does remind you that you keep
• 43:28
  Speaker 11: your loved ones close close to you, and you give
• 43:31
  Speaker 11: them that time and nothing's too difficult. When things are
• 43:34
  Speaker 11: too difficult, you think, well, actually, you know twenty years
• 43:37
  Speaker 11: ago today, think about what some of those families went
• 43:41
  Speaker 11: through and what they had to put up with. So
• 43:44
  Speaker 11: it does change your personal effect. And I don't like
• 43:47
  Speaker 11: watching that tsunami movie and people say, oh, you were there,
• 43:50
  Speaker 11: you should watch that And you were there, do you
• 43:51
  Speaker 11: remember this scene?
• 43:52
  Speaker 10: And I don't like watching that film because it was
• 43:55
  Speaker 10: so real life. It really was. I think was what
• 43:57
  Speaker 10: was in that the Aussie actress, but it was so
• 44:00
  Speaker 10: real life?
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes again.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, Charles Miranda, it's great to talk to you
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: and I appreciate you sharing your experience with me tonight.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Well let's head now to London.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: The royals have all gathered at Sandringham for their annual
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Christmas day break, joining me as Royal biographer Angela eleven. Angela,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: thanks for your time. Merry Christmas. By the way, thanks
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: for joining me. The King appeared in pretty good e
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: spirits yesterday. I've got to say, despite his health challenges, yes.
• 44:32
  Speaker 12: He was, and we were all very very pleased to
• 44:37
  Speaker 12: see that he was bright and positive. One of the
• 44:43
  Speaker 12: things that he'd liked very much was that he wrote
• 44:47
  Speaker 12: a small rule in the Royal family and had his
• 44:53
  Speaker 12: Christmas talk in former Medical Middlesex Hospital.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Church.
• 45:01
  Speaker 12: He thought it was so marvelous and beautiful, which indeed
• 45:04
  Speaker 12: it was that he felt. I'm sure that it took
• 45:08
  Speaker 12: a relief of whose photographs were going to be seen
• 45:12
  Speaker 12: on the table. Who remember the late Queen Elizabeth would
• 45:15
  Speaker 12: also always have a family on the table, and if
• 45:19
  Speaker 12: she was a bit cross with anyone, they were not
• 45:22
  Speaker 12: on when she did her talk, so here nobody can
• 45:25
  Speaker 12: complain about not being there because there was no place
• 45:28
  Speaker 12: for a table. I was astonished that he stood up
• 45:31
  Speaker 12: for the whole fifteen minutes, but he obviously wanted.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: To do that.
• 45:35
  Speaker 12: I thought he was very caring, as he usually is.
• 45:40
  Speaker 12: He talked about the people who were at D Day Anniversary,
• 45:44
  Speaker 12: the eightieth D Day Anniversary, which was his first trip
• 45:47
  Speaker 12: abroad after his cancer, and he said, do you know
• 45:53
  Speaker 12: what they went through is nothing what we're going through,
• 45:55
  Speaker 12: which was I thought very brave, because I'm sure it
• 45:58
  Speaker 12: was difficult for him, and he thought doctors, He thanked nurses.
• 46:02
  Speaker 12: He was very much aware of people who had helped
• 46:07
  Speaker 12: him and knew very much again how desperate that time was.
• 46:14
  Speaker 12: He didn't actually mention Princess Catherine, who has also had cancer,
• 46:20
  Speaker 12: but he referred to thanking the doctors for understanding what
• 46:27
  Speaker 12: he and his family went through. It was all very subtle.
• 46:32
  Speaker 12: Some people have made complaints about him because this country,
• 46:37
  Speaker 12: our poor country, is going downhill very fast, and he
• 46:41
  Speaker 12: was very upbeat, and I thought that was quite good.
• 46:44
  Speaker 12: And remember the Queen being very upbeep. When COVID was there,
• 46:47
  Speaker 12: we all thought this is the end. We had to
• 46:49
  Speaker 12: stay in forever, and she said, come on, it'll get better.
• 46:53
  Speaker 12: He was doing the similar thing, and I think there
• 46:56
  Speaker 12: was just the people who don't like them monarchy, not
• 46:59
  Speaker 12: my king, they call themselves. And I don't think anybody
• 47:03
  Speaker 12: was against him. And one of the absolute proof about
• 47:06
  Speaker 12: that is when they probably went to church the next morning,
• 47:11
  Speaker 12: they'd never known such crowds. There was ten fifteen people deep.
• 47:16
  Speaker 12: And when people are asked, they said, he's been so amazing,
• 47:21
  Speaker 12: we want to thank him. So it makes me quite.
• 47:27
  Speaker 10: Emotional, really, and the same for Catherine.
• 47:31
  Speaker 12: And I know when Katherine was there, she was talking
• 47:33
  Speaker 12: to somebody and a woman sort of learned out to
• 47:36
  Speaker 12: talk to her and said, you know, I've worked in
• 47:40
  Speaker 12: the cancer places and I want to say that you
• 47:44
  Speaker 12: have helped everybody else be strong.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: There's certainly a lot of affection for the royals. You
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: mentioned Kate just quickly. How is she doing? Obviously there's
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: a lot of interest in her health.
• 47:58
  Speaker 12: Yes, I think she's doing remarkably well. I mean, if
• 48:01
  Speaker 12: you look at her face and everything, take away the
• 48:04
  Speaker 12: makeup in your mind, then she is much better. She's
• 48:07
  Speaker 12: got more energy, she is much more involved with the children.
• 48:11
  Speaker 12: I think when she was out with them, her husband
• 48:15
  Speaker 12: would actually take care of them a bit more. But
• 48:18
  Speaker 12: here she's shaking loads of hands and smiling and feeling
• 48:24
  Speaker 12: moving very easily, and I think she's very careful. What's
• 48:28
  Speaker 12: wonderful about her is she's really tried to balance her life.
• 48:32
  Speaker 12: She wants to still be a work as a royal
• 48:37
  Speaker 12: senior royal as much as she can, but she also
• 48:41
  Speaker 12: wants to look after her family and be a good
• 48:44
  Speaker 12: mother and knows how difficult it was for them at the.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Coronation.
• 48:56
  Speaker 12: No, not the coronation, at the singing that.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Actually, Angela, I'm gonna have I'm gonna have to cut
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: you off, Angela, because we're gonna we're gonna run out
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: of time and I'm gonna have to go. But I
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: really appreciate you bringing us up to date with the
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Royal Christmas. There's a lot of interest and we're always
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: very grateful to hear from you. Thanks for joining me tonight.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: That's it from me, but stick around. Coming up in
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: just a moment is the Late Debate