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Episode 118: The 7 Capital Virtues as Star Wars Characters · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there, it's time for most things Kenobi.
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  I prefer all things Kenobi, but I suppose that's not the Jedi
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  way, as long as it's not all things Anakin.
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  Hi everyone, Welcome to another episode of Most Things Kenobi, a
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  podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and all things Star Wars.
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  I'm your host, Leanne. And I'm your host, Lauren.
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  This week we're flipping it. We're talking the the inverse,
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  the opposite of the seven deadly sins.
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  We're talking about the seven virtues.
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  And for those who don't know, there's 7 heavenly virtues.
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  And there's seven capital virtues, and sometimes the
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  heavenly ones are considered cardinal.
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  And it's all this crap. But we're just focusing on the
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  seven capital virtues. We didn't know what we were
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  getting ourselves hit, did we? Right.
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  No, but the seven capital virtues are the ones that pair
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  best with the seven deadly sins. Yeah, they're considered like
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  the opposite of the sins. Yes.
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  Yeah. And I have to say, I thought
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  this would be easier, but I found it much harder.
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  Much harder. I had to actually look up lists
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  of Star Wars characters to jog my memory for some of this,
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  because it wasn't coming. Like with the sins, people
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  popped to mind right away, and for the virtues that did not
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  really happen as easily. No.
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  And some of them I put originally in one in one column
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  and there was like, no, no, no, no, they they belong over here.
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  And then I had to rethink who belongs in the previous spot.
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  So I do have some repeaters. Same as the seven deadly sins.
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  I don't think I do actually, which is.
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  You don't. Yeah, I'm really surprised that
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  I don't I. I'm interesting.
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  Yeah, this is going to be fun. I'm actually really excited to
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  talk. So, similar to the Seven Deadly
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  Sins episode, we are going to talk about the virtue itself and
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  what it means via Wikipedia. Yeah.
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  And then we'll talk about who we chose.
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  We chose one male and one female character.
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  If we could get that which I could not get for the first one
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  which is chastity. Well, do you want to list what
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  the the seven virtues are? Yes.
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  So the seven capital virtues. Are as follows the the exact
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  opposite of the Seven Deadly Sins.
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  They are chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience,
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  kindness and humility. Yes.
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  Do you know what I enjoy about this?
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  What? It's not just ooh, what
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  character matches. It's actually a kind of a study
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  in the meaning of words. Yes.
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  Because these things. You think you know what it
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  means, and then if you actually, if you actually dig into the
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  definition, it's it's much more specific.
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  Yes, and I I kind of enjoy that. I think you and I, because we
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  both love writing the meaning of words, is actually pretty
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  interesting to me. I don't know.
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  Yes, and it forces you to, kind of.
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  So you have to understand the virtue or the sin, if you will.
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  And then you have to really think about the path these
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  characters took and if it goes with the full definition.
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  Right. It is interesting.
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  I let's dive in because I'm curious what you have, because
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  this this whole thing was just a giant trip on the struggle bus
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  for me. Why did I picture the Magic
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  School Bus when you? Said, Well, it is.
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  It's me and you and the Magic School Bus, but it struggles
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  because it has four flat tires, so you know.
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  I just meme the other day. That was like when you're in the
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  grocery store and all your shopping cartwheels are perfect.
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  And it was just four pictures of Obi Wan.
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  Well, he he's a repeater on my list.
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  Him and Luke are the the two that repeat.
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  It makes sense, honestly. Quite often, but I tried not to
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  repeat. But sometimes it was just so
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  obvious that I had to put them on the list.
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  Anyway, I'll read the first one and then we'll flip flop, right?
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  Alright, so the first one is chastity, which also is known as
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  purity and it it's as. We all think chastity is
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  literally someone who is chased refrains from either sexual
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  activity that is considered immoral or from any sexual
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  activity at all according to their state of life.
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  In some context, for example, when making a vow of chastity,
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  chastity means that the same thing is celibacy.
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  So based on this alone, I mean it all goes around the act of
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  sex. So this was really hard for me,
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  but I put the Yoda. That's funny.
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  Because I mean he. OK, so we think about the Jedi
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  or what the jetty was supposed to be.
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  They were supposed to be chased from this correct order or maybe
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  not so much the act of but remain pure in the fact that
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  don't form attachments and stuff.
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  But Yoda was refrained from everything.
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  He was just. I don't even want to think about
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  it. I know, it's fucking crazy, but
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  like, he's the only one I could come up with.
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  I couldn't come up with a female.
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  That's interesting. I struggled with a female
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  because Star Wars is pretty saucy for ladies, honestly.
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  A lot of them have children and that's fine.
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  We're not saying that chastity is good or bad, it's just it's
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  on the list, so. Right, exactly.
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  Okay, so my first choice was qui gone because.
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  But. Did he?
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  In Canon, he's actually really opposed to casual sex.
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  Okay. Which is really disappointing.
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  It. Is, if I may say.
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  That oh, you may. There's a scene in Master and
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  Apprentice where Rail Avaros is sleeping with some woman at a
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  bar or something like that. He has like a casual
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  relationship with her and Quigon's really opposed to it.
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  And Avaros is like this coming from you who's had a
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  relationship in the past. So I don't know if he like what
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  it was that changed Quigon's opinion, but according to that
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  book, he is more chaste than I wish to believe.
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  Okay. Fair enough.
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  But the the woman I picked was Shmee.
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  Yeah, she would be the only other person because even though
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  she had a child, it was, you know, the essentially the story
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  of Mother Mary. Right Immaculate Conception of
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  Anakin. Yeah.
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  Yeah, so. And she is.
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  Portrayed more as like a motherly character, where even
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  the other characters who are that way also are kind of sexy,
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  like Leia and Padme. And I mean a lot of like even
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  Aura Singh, you know, she's not motherly, but she's definitely
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  more like sexy. And there was clearly she had a
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  relationship with Hondo. So yeah.
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  Wow, that's a choice. Right.
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  Jesus. I mean, well, anyway.
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  Yeah. So that's who I picked.
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  That was tough though because that that is.
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  So it's so specific. You know, it is very specific.
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  There's no wiggle room. There's no, there's no symbolism
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  we could go off of, right. So yeah, yeah, that was the
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  hardest one for me, I think. Yeah, sure, that was tricky.
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  Shall we move on to temperance? Yes.
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  Temperance in its modern use is defined as moderation or
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  voluntary self restraint. It's typically described in
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  terms of what a person voluntarily refrains from doing.
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  This includes restraint from revenge by practicing mercy and
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  forgiveness, restraint from arrogance by practicing humility
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  and modesty, restraint from excess such as extravagant
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  luxury or splurging, restraint from overindulgence in food and
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  drink, and restraint from rage or craving by practicing
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  calmness and equanimity. So I'm very curious who you have
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  because I came back to this one over and over and over and read
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  over temperance. I googled examples of
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  temperance. I had to really like deep dive
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  into this one because the obvious one for me is Obi Wan.
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  Yeah, because this is not about selfcontrol, right?
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  Like the the next paragraph here that describes says that it's
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  temperance isn't. Selfcontrol.
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  It is like not even having that negative feeling in the first
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  place. Yeah.
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  Because you're so, like, at peace with yourself in the world
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  that you don't have these negative feelings.
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  Ever. So.
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  And and the fact that Obi Wan that what did it for me for to
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  put Obi Wan in this category was his.
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  Restraint when it came to mall in the very end, right?
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  He just, he's never accessed. He never.
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  He doesn't have anything. He doesn't choose like he
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  chooses violence, but he doesn't choose revenge.
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  Right. He always has grace at the very
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  end of of everything and it just seems to come to him
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  intrinsically. It's not like what do I do here?
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  Do I do this or that? It just comes to him.
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  I think that over the course of everyone's life he develops
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  temperance because we we've talked about in the past how he
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  has those feelings. He just chooses not to act on
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  them. But like you said, by the time
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  he gets to rebels with Ball, he's not even having that anger.
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  He's very much even in in like at peace at that point.
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  So I think that's a really good choice, honestly.
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  Who do you have? I have Yoda.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he doesn't.
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  He just doesn't. Yeah, he doesn't show any signs
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  of negative impulse, really. Ever.
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  For female, this was hard for me yet again.
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  Yeah. But after I wheeled it down, and
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  I may be wrong because I I went back and forth on this one.
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  I chose Mon Mothma. How interesting.
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  Hear me out. Her house is extravagant, her
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  clothes are extravagant. She has all of the luxuries.
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  I don't think she wants any of it.
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  It's all part of a a ruse, right?
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  Yeah, maybe she was brought up in it because she came from.
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  It's the position she was put in, basically.
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  Yeah, if she didn't have it, it would look more questionable.
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  But she could really choose rage.
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  But she doesn't. She could really choose revenge
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  or hate or any of those things, but she keeps a pretty even keel
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  tries to sway towards the good still.
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  I mean, there are some caveats when I chose her, but she was
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  the clearest one for me for females, if I really overthought
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  it, which I definitely did. Yeah, I think she makes sense.
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  I mean, she is. She's kind of a faker, she
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  figured out with it. Yeah, I think her natural state
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  is one of like defending those in in need, you know, caring
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  about those in need. And that is so, like her default
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  is not those negative things. Yeah, I pitched Luminara.
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  What? Hold on, hold on.
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  I have to absorb this. Hang on, Luminara.
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  Yeah, cuz like Yoda, she's just like, she never shows really any
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  cracks. I don't know.
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  Luminara is always so virtuous. So like, she's always tempered.
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  Like she never has heavy emotion, or like a deeply
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  emotional reaction to anything. OK, I can buy this.
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  I don't like her. Everyone knows this, but I can
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  buy this. Well, that's why I think she's
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  she's temperance for sure, because she is.
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  Yeah, Yeah, you're right. You're right.
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  Yeah. Because it's it's not even like
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  her trying to control herself. It's like she's just that, like
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  she's just even like Yoda. And I find Yoda annoying in the
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  same way that I actually find Luminara annoying.
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  Like they're kind of detached. Almost, yes, exactly that.
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  I think that's it. Luminara is so tempered that she
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  was just gonna leave Barris to fucking die.
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  And she's like, it's cool, I'll find another like.
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  Exactly. I'll find another paddle once.
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  It's fine. Life goes on.
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  Yeah, exactly. I hold a grudge against her for
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  that, but if you look at it from the definition, she fits it.
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  She's like Yoda. Yeah, we just we don't have to
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  like our choices. No, absolutely not.
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  No. They're like coworkers.
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  You don't have to like them. You just have to work with them.
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  So you know, they don't have to like these characters.
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  We just have to work with them. Yeah, exactly.
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  Shall we move on to charity? Yes.
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  Charity is held as one of the most excellent of the virtues.
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  It is the habit of charity that extends not only to the love of
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  God, but also to the love of our neighbor.
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  So let's get into this a little further.
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  Really. Charity and love kind of go hand
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  in hand here because you are charitable for love.
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  Like in the end goal is to love thy neighbor, right?
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  So you know, love has other meanings, but in this sense it
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  can also be equated to being charitable, the friendship of
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  man so to speak. So the first thing I thought
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  was. Luke.
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  Because he's always going out of his way.
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  Not and not like a purchasing sense.
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  Not like I'm going to donate this.
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  Yes, that is a form of charity, but he will literally go out of
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  his way to help others and not ask anything in return just
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  because it's the right thing to do.
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  And that is out of love. Love for his fellow creatures.
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  He he went in in the Mandalorian and saved them all.
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  Didn't know a single one of them.
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  Didn't need to. Didn't even know what he was
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  getting into. No, there was just people in
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  need. You know, someone sent a signal
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  or baby Yoda sent one or somebody sent one and and he
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  said, OK, someone's in need, I'll come help.
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  And then of course, when it came to something more personal like
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  Leia and Hot, he's like, I have to, I have to save my friends.
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  Was it hottie at the moment? Yeah, maybe.
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  But he didn't even think twice. Yeah.
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  And he wants to start a new school and do it correctly.
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  He wants to bring others up in a better way than the old Jedi
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  Order did. And you know, it's just his
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  version of love. So that's my male choice.
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  Well, that Tyson. Well, with mine, because the
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  mind's Anakin. Oh, how nice.
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  Tell me more because. When you think of like, yes he's
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  hot headed and and such but. Ultimately, he's really almost
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  always trying to save someone when he's in that state.
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  And he hates injustice, you know?
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  Like that makes him terribly uncomfortable.
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  He always wants to protect, like even think of like the Lurban,
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  you know. Yes.
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  And those little turtle people, whatever they're called.
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  The Felucia people, yeah. I never learned what their
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  species was called, but. No, but they're so great.
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  Yeah, it's the turtle people. The turtle people.
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  They look like little turtles. They.
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  They're like a good examples of how he's not going to he's his
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  hands are a little bit tied, but he does everything that he can
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  to to help those in need. And that kind of ties into my
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  female choice, which is a soca because she's very much the same
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  way. Well, I was tied with Padme and
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  Rio Chuchi as well because they're all just like it's the
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  charity of, yeah. I chose Padme.
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  It's like an obvious choice, right?
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  When you think of someone always trying to give more to people in
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  need, she Padme always comes to my first.
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  I had. I had Leia too.
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  So in essence, all of the Skywalkers, including the
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  adopted daughter of Asoka. Yeah.
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  Which is kind of nice, I mean. Some of them had their faults,
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  but really they did it out of the they did it out of.
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  Now, I would say that Anakin was a little bit selfish when it
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  came to Padme, Padme because like, Oh my God.
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  But yeah, they all just, they went out of their way to save
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  people. I guess that's all the Jedi,
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  too. How can how many times can you
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  think of when Anakin or Asoka said.
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  Like we need to do something, you know, like we have to find a
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  way to help. These people you know and.
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  And not only that, but they taught them to help themselves.
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  Yes. Which, you know, you teach a
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  fisherman to fish. He'll never go hungry again.
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  Or however that phrase goes. So like they taught them how to
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  protect themselves, how to, you know, they even change their
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  thought process on a lot of things.
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  So yeah. Yeah, that.
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  Was a good one. Charity's a good one.
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  There's a lot of that in Star Wars.
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  Yeah, that was an easier one, honestly, that came to mind.
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  A little easier than chastity. Yeah.
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  I mean, yeah. I mean, this next one is is even
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  a little bit weird. The diligence is next diligence
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  is it's, I don't know, I thought this one was interesting.
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  It is carefulness and persistent effort or work.
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  It is not listed as one of the seven heavenly virtues.
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  So this is just one of the. I guess some of the others are.
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  That we've talked about are also heavenly virtues, right?
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  Yeah, diligence is the opposite of sloth in this case.
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  OK, that makes sense. It can be indicative of a work
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  ethic, the belief that work is good in and of itself.
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  So honestly, a lot of people came to mind, but my first
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  person that came to mind was Rex.
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  Me too. Oh, really?
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  Yes. Yes, we both had him.
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  That's great. How funny.
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  I had him. And in parentheses I put any of
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  the clones. Really.
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  But yes. Highlighted Rex.
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  Yes. I mean, it's like what they're
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  always saying, like yes. You know, we're bred for war.
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  But really, they're they're just like the most diligent, amazing,
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  dedicated people. And yes.
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  Yeah, they just just came to my first.
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  Everything about them is always observant and careful and and
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  working. Because when do you ever see a
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  Cologne? Just relaxing pretty much.
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  Never, never. And you think about the bad,
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  bashing it like specifically, they're all in it together and
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  they each have their own, like specialty, right?
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  But they're in it together, and they take pride in what they do
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  and how they do it together as a group, and that could be a
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  larger example of all of the clones.
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  Yeah, exactly. Yes, they're bred for it, like
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  you said, but they want to, they take pride in it.
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  It's. Yeah, and even they protect each
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  other, dare I say, in the Pong Krell arc, where it takes it to
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  a whole new level, where they're not really even.
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  You know, the Republic is looming.
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  They're doing it. They have a job, so to speak,
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  but it's it's like something, it's a pride thing.
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  And anything they do, they do it with, they do it with diligence.
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  They're diligent clones. Yeah.
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  I mean, they have like an honor code and they live by honor, You
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  know, it's their duty and that matters to them.
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  And yes, yeah. Fucking love Rex.
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  I love Rex. God.
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  I'm glad a clone was able to get on our list.
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  Honestly. Yeah, Yes.
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  Yes. Did you have a female choice?
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  I do have a female. I feel pretty good about this
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  one. Go for it, Rio Chucci.
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  Yep, I love it. Mine is also a senator.
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  Oh, who is it? Bail.
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  No, because it's female. It's Mon moth mob.
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  Well, I'm so stupid I forgot we were talking about females
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  because I thought of bail too, but like.
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  Yeah. So you have Mon Mothma, I have
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  Rio. It kind of goes without saying,
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  right? Yeah, I mean, the both of them
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  always knows to the grindstone, right?
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  Just yeah. Again, they're just good humans.
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  Yeah, or humanoid, I guess. Alien, pantorin and human, yes.
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  But they they they stand for something.
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  It's the same thing what they do, they take great pride in and
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  they're diligent about it. I'm.
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  I keep using the word but like. It's true, though there's a
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  great honor code there. Either one of them could sit
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  back on their laurels like other senators do, and even like Mon,
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  Mosma's husband seems to not really give a shit about life at
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  all. True.
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  And and like you said, they're living in luxury as these
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  senators. But you can see that Manmatma
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  never really is not thinking about working for the greater
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  good. It's basically on her mind
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  constantly in Yep, yeah, patience is the next one.
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  And this is interesting because it's not what I think A lot of
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  people think. This one goes a word.
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  This is a word study. Patience or forbearance, is the
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  ability to endure difficult circumstances.
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  Patients may involve perseverance in the face of
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  delay, tolerance of provocation without responding with
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  disrespect or anger. Forbearance went under strain,
• 24:04
  especially when faced with longterm difficulties or being
• 24:08
  able to wait for a long time without getting irritated or
• 24:10
  bored. So I'm out.
• 24:16
  Patience is also used to refer to the character trait of being
• 24:19
  steadfast now. All of these are there are so
• 24:24
  many characters that have had to endure difficult circumstances,
• 24:29
  persevere tolerance, you know, all of these things.
• 24:35
  Because that's like Star Wars. I mean, that's just, that's Star
• 24:41
  Wars. So my only male choice that the
• 24:45
  only one I could say I can't, I have to put him down and
• 24:48
  everyone else comes second is motherfucking Obi Wan Kenobi.
• 24:52
  Same. Same.
• 24:54
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. The poor man.
• 24:59
  I mean not. Only did he deal with Anakin for
• 25:02
  how many years? But also he just we've talked
• 25:05
  about how much horrible shit has happened and he's done nothing
• 25:10
  but endured loss after loss. Yeah, after loss.
• 25:16
  Without being corrupted or saying something mean or
• 25:21
  correct, letting it change his good nature?
• 25:23
  Yeah, that's correct. And that's what makes it
• 25:25
  patience, right? Yes, he's steadfast.
• 25:31
  He perseveres. I mean, I think perseverance is
• 25:35
  a great thing and he like, defines that.
• 25:39
  Yeah, I think so too. He's like the only.
• 25:43
  Like, obviously, yes, there are many patient characters in Star
• 25:47
  Wars, but he is the poster child for it.
• 25:51
  Yes? Now, who's your female?
• 25:55
  I picked Hara. Interesting.
• 25:59
  I picked Leia. Now I know that she gets
• 26:01
  irritable, but she she wanes out of that.
• 26:06
  She has had tremendous loss over and over and difficulties same
• 26:12
  as Hara. These are two generals.
• 26:15
  And they've both lost their homes, their families, and
• 26:19
  continue to persevere with grace and kindness.
• 26:23
  Yeah. And understanding for other
• 26:25
  people, you know? Yeah, I think Leah's an
• 26:29
  excellent choice. I mean, think of how Alderon was
• 26:31
  blown up right in front of her and then she got right back to
• 26:34
  work. If that's not Patience, I don't
• 26:36
  know what is right. And Hera too.
• 26:38
  She lost her husband while she was pregnant.
• 26:41
  Spoiler alert. I hope we're all caught up on
• 26:45
  this, but like, she got right back to work.
• 26:48
  Yeah, yeah. Good choice these these people
• 26:53
  are amazing. If I could only be 1/4 of what
• 26:58
  these characters are. Told me about Jesus.
• 27:03
  Now the next one ooh, the next one's kindness.
• 27:07
  How do we even choose? But I'm.
• 27:10
  I'm excited to talk about this one.
• 27:12
  Yeah, kindness is is classic Star Wars.
• 27:16
  Kindness is a type of behavior marked by acts of generosity,
• 27:20
  consideration, rendering assistance or concern for others
• 27:25
  without without expecting praise or reward in return.
• 27:30
  Wow, saying reward and return is very difficult for me, yes.
• 27:35
  Who did you have Because, like so many people could, I know.
• 27:40
  Well, my first one was Luke, but then I chose another one because
• 27:43
  Luke is like. Yeah, Luke is my choice.
• 27:47
  Is it OK? Yeah, because, I mean, he's even
• 27:50
  sweet to droids who irritate him.
• 27:52
  I know, I know. My other choice was Mando Din
• 28:00
  Jardin, no. And the reason I chose him was
• 28:04
  because he started off as a like a bounty hunter doing things for
• 28:09
  a bounty. And he's very kind.
• 28:13
  He turns away from that and starts making friendships, doing
• 28:17
  things for for he develops a bond with Grogu.
• 28:22
  He develops a bond with a lot of random people and and creatures,
• 28:27
  and he's very kind. He's kind to that civilization
• 28:30
  that he helped, like protect themselves.
• 28:33
  Like those natives. Yeah, very kind of Grogu.
• 28:36
  And like he's he has a very kind disposition to him, and it's
• 28:39
  getting more developed the farther away he gets from like,
• 28:44
  that bounty hunter beginning. Yeah, that's a really nice
• 28:47
  choice. He has a very gentle
• 28:50
  disposition, I think. He does and and Grogu has
• 28:53
  softened him like considerably and shown him that there are
• 28:56
  other ways to exist than just bounty hunter ways.
• 29:01
  You know, yeah. And he doesn't.
• 29:02
  He doesn't ask for anything in return.
• 29:03
  It like he's been offered, like here's a plot of land and he's
• 29:06
  like, no, I don't. I don't need that.
• 29:08
  I don't want that. I just want to, you know, he
• 29:10
  takes it. But you know, he doesn't really
• 29:12
  ask for anything, which is the exact opposite of a bounty
• 29:15
  hunter, which I think is great. It's character growth.
• 29:16
  So exactly, yes. Who did you have for female?
• 29:21
  I have a soca. Oh, that's nice.
• 29:24
  I have Leia, and just Luke and Leia to me are just getting this
• 29:27
  personified. But a Soca really is.
• 29:30
  She really is kind. She doesn't ever ask for
• 29:33
  anything in return. Ever.
• 29:35
  Yeah, wasn't her quote. Like, if I see someone in need,
• 29:39
  there's no question I'm I'm helping them.
• 29:41
  And like, she doesn't. She doesn't want praise, she
• 29:45
  doesn't want gifts. She just walks away and goes on
• 29:47
  to the next the next person or people that need help.
• 29:51
  Yeah, because it's it's basically she does it because
• 29:53
  it's the right thing to do, not because.
• 29:55
  Correct. She she never has an agenda and
• 29:58
  most Jedi don't, which is just like Luke and it's just like
• 30:01
  Leia. It's just like Hera Mon mothma
• 30:05
  Rio. Should we keep going?
• 30:07
  Yeah, seriously. Yeah, Leia's a good one too.
• 30:11
  I mean, she's she is kindness. She's a little sassy, but that's
• 30:15
  her personality. It doesn't stop her.
• 30:18
  Well, think of her with with wicked the evil.
• 30:22
  Oh God, I know. You know, like that seemed to
• 30:25
  me. And the way she's so kind and
• 30:27
  sweet and gentle and knowing that.
• 30:30
  That he's a little afraid of her, but trying to, like, put
• 30:33
  him at ease and take the time. Unlike Luke who got really
• 30:37
  frustrated with Yoda, you know, like Leah is calm and gentle and
• 30:42
  like, lets him be goofy. And yeah, I I just.
• 30:47
  I like that they're good folks. All of them.
• 30:50
  Yeah. And lastly is humility.
• 30:55
  Humility is the quality of being humble.
• 30:58
  Dictionary definitions accentuate humility as low self
• 31:01
  regard or self sense of unworthiness.
• 31:04
  But in a religious context humility can mean a recognition
• 31:07
  of self in relation to a deity and subsequent submission to
• 31:12
  that deity as a member of the religion.
• 31:13
  But outside of this this, this is like what I went off of.
• 31:18
  Humility is defined as being unselved, which is liberated
• 31:21
  from consciousness of self, which is a form of temperance
• 31:24
  that is neither having pride nor indulging in self deprecation.
• 31:29
  And I think that is important because self not indulging in
• 31:33
  self deprecation or a sense of unworthiness is really, really
• 31:37
  important here. Yes, this is my favorite one
• 31:40
  because the definition is so unexpected.
• 31:44
  I think people think they know what humility, what humility is.
• 31:48
  But again, when you dig into the meaning, it's a little more
• 31:51
  interesting. I found a really good definition
• 31:55
  that I wanted to read. It's from positive psychology
• 31:59
  and I just it like hit the nail on the head.
• 32:02
  So well, I wanted to share it. Let's have it.
• 32:05
  So it says. But humility has nothing to do
• 32:08
  with meekness or weakness, and neither does it mean being self
• 32:12
  effacing or submissive. Humility is an attitude of
• 32:15
  spiritual modesty that comes from understanding our place in
• 32:19
  the larger order of things. It entails not taking our
• 32:23
  desires, successes or failings too seriously.
• 32:27
  It's not just humble. It's like being willing to serve
• 32:32
  a greater good or a higher purpose.
• 32:35
  Accepting that you're part of a larger plan, basically, yes.
• 32:41
  Well, I mean, it could be any of the people we already talked
• 32:43
  about. Yeah.
• 32:46
  So who do you have? I have Gin and Cassian.
• 32:51
  They're perfect. They're actually perfect for
• 32:53
  this, yeah. Because I think at first you
• 32:55
  would be like, what? But if you go by the definition
• 32:59
  of understanding, you're a cog in a wheel, like a part of a
• 33:03
  bigger cycle. They both reach that point by
• 33:06
  the end of Rogue One, and they're willing to die for a
• 33:09
  bigger, to like serve a greater good, to stop the Death Star
• 33:13
  from killing anymore innocent people.
• 33:16
  That, to me is humility. It's funny that you have a
• 33:21
  couple because I also have a couple.
• 33:23
  Oh, do you? Who do you have?
• 33:26
  Canaan and Hara. I love it.
• 33:29
  It's so good. I just, it's for the same
• 33:33
  reason. I mean, Canaan literally
• 33:36
  sacrificed himself for the greater good and he lost so
• 33:43
  much. I mean, he lost his fucking
• 33:45
  vision, which he gave up doing the same exact thing, and he
• 33:50
  turned it around and made it something better, you know, it
• 33:56
  was he was totally selfless. He loved the people he was
• 34:00
  around. But I think that the thing it's
• 34:02
  just like Gin and Cassian. There's a much larger thing at
• 34:05
  work, and I don't think Canaan and Hara ever lost that either.
• 34:10
  No. Isn't there even a moment
• 34:13
  between them where they they don't?
• 34:15
  Well, Canaan's like, what are we going to do after the war's over
• 34:19
  and she's like, I don't even. I don't even know.
• 34:21
  Like, I haven't even given any thought.
• 34:23
  Because they're even though they have this love for each other,
• 34:26
  they serve a bigger purpose of the rebellion and trying to
• 34:30
  protect those who can't fight for themselves.
• 34:33
  So, right. Yeah, Perfect example of
• 34:36
  humility. Canaan could have let what
• 34:39
  happened with him during Order 66 destroy him.
• 34:42
  He could have let his blindness destroy him.
• 34:46
  Never stopped him. It's the same thing with,
• 34:49
  especially gin. Yeah, because she didn't start
• 34:54
  in the in Rogue One. I wouldn't say she was a person
• 34:57
  who exhibited humility at all, but by the time she got to that,
• 35:01
  she was transforming the whole time.
• 35:03
  Every step of Rogue One basically was one more change in
• 35:08
  her until she got to the point where totally she didn't need
• 35:11
  to. Like whatever happened to her,
• 35:13
  she kind of didn't care anymore, but at least now she had
• 35:16
  something she could do that would be positive.
• 35:20
  And I think that's, I think that's the lesson here with
• 35:23
  humility, is that I don't think anyone's born with it.
• 35:26
  You take what's been given to you or what's happened and your
• 35:30
  path, and you make a choice and you then devote yourself to
• 35:34
  something greater than what has happened to you, or what took
• 35:40
  place in your personal path, or or journey or whatever.
• 35:45
  I think it's hard. Because this, I mean, look at
• 35:48
  these characters, how much they they literally give their lives.
• 35:53
  Three out of four of them, yeah. And that's a huge sacrifice to
• 35:58
  offer. But ultimately, isn't that like
• 36:01
  when you think of religion? A lot of times it asks you to
• 36:05
  give your life, like put your life into the hands of a higher
• 36:09
  power and have that kind of humility towards the higher
• 36:12
  power and. It's it's scary.
• 36:16
  But then when you think of these characters, you see how noble it
• 36:20
  is, like how noble they are in their sacrifice.
• 36:23
  I don't know. I think it's it's a tricky one.
• 36:26
  But also I really enjoyed that one because it was not what I
• 36:29
  expected. I thought it was just going to
• 36:31
  be humble and it's not. It's not just being humble.
• 36:34
  If it was just humbleness, I would choose like Schmid for
• 36:38
  instance. Oh yeah, all the terrible things
• 36:41
  she went through. But she always kept us like a
• 36:44
  kind of grace about her and patience and all these other
• 36:47
  things we've talked about. Yeah, and even though she was
• 36:51
  being put in horrific circumstances like slavery,
• 36:55
  still tried to raise her son with good values.
• 36:59
  Yeah, well, that was interesting.
• 37:05
  So, so much different than the seven deadly sins, yeah.
• 37:12
  It's it's interesting that it's harder to talk about virtue.
• 37:16
  That's what a cultural study that could be.
• 37:21
  That is I well, it's like you said, you got to study the term.
• 37:26
  It's not as obvious, which I thought for sure it would be.
• 37:29
  I'll be like, oh, that's Leia, oh, that's Luke, blah, blah,
• 37:31
  blah, blah, blah. But it's like it's not it's not
• 37:34
  that easy. There's some that there's
• 37:37
  there's nuances about these. Yeah, exactly so.
• 37:42
  That was fun. I like doing this kind of stuff
• 37:44
  where we kind of this was, this was and and listen, we heard you
• 37:48
  guys when it came to the Seven Deadly Sins, you really liked
• 37:51
  it. So I hope you all enjoy this
• 37:54
  version as well. Maybe we'll find some other
• 37:57
  things like this to do when it comes to the characters of Star
• 38:00
  Wars in the future. Yeah, if anyone has suggestions,
• 38:03
  send them our way cuz let us know.
• 38:06
  We love this kind of stuff. So next week's episode we will
• 38:13
  be reviewing the last two episodes of the Asoka show.
• 38:18
  We'll be giving our thoughts and opinions and discussing all
• 38:21
  everything about it. So we're I don't know if we're
• 38:24
  going to keep up this every two episode, but we're feeling
• 38:27
  pretty good about things. So we're going to, we're going
• 38:29
  to go with the episodes 3:00 and 4:00.
• 38:31
  We'll discuss those from the Asoka Show next week.
• 38:35
  So join us. So last week we reviewed Asoka
• 38:41
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• 38:43
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• 38:47
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• 38:51
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• 38:53
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• 39:00
  I love Asoka as a character and it's interesting to see another
• 39:03
  part of her life unfolding. I also think of returning to the
• 39:06
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• 39:09
  next. And Alexandra said 7.5.
• 39:13
  I really enjoyed it but was confused about Sabine Jeni
• 39:16
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• 39:21
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• 39:24
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• 39:30
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• 39:34
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• 39:38
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• 39:43
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• 39:49
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• 39:51
  Yeah, for for sloth, they said. Luke In The Last Jedi at the
• 39:57
  beginning, basically through through, you know.
• 40:00
  When Ray first meets him, and that is so true.
• 40:04
  Yeah, cuz like we discussed, sloth is not laziness.
• 40:07
  It's kind of like no longer caring, right?
• 40:10
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• 40:12
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• 40:16
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• 40:17
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