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Cops: Teen boy unleashes BULLET-HELL on mom, dad & sister, kills 6 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: One of the worst mass murders in Indiana history. How
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Speaker 1: did an entire family get wiped out in their own
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Speaker 1: home in the early morning hours? How does that happen?
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Speaker 1: Who've got an open doorway? Can you start two months horss.
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Speaker 1: We need e ms at this location. We had three shots,
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Speaker 1: all three prefin zero. We need a very confirm and
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Speaker 1: I need more cars are at the same next star
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Speaker 1: is arriving starting take up around this house. Please, I
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Speaker 1: want the perimeter big. You're hearing part of that nine
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Speaker 1: one one call guys with me an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to make sense of it? First of all? Joining me
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Speaker 1: family lawyer or no stranger to the core room. Kathleen
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Speaker 1: Murphy at NC Domestic Law dot com, Renowned at New
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Speaker 1: York psychologist Karen Stark at Karen Stark dot com. That's
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Speaker 1: Karen with a C and Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: Death Investigator. All They're a Blood beneath my feet on
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Speaker 1: Amazon and Starve. A brand new series on the True
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Speaker 1: Crime Network, Poisonous Liaisons. Joseph Scott Morgan joining me and
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Speaker 1: joining me reporting this morning from Crime Online dot Com
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Speaker 1: Crack reporter Tyler Hunt. But before I go to Tyler,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to more of that nine one one
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Speaker 1: call what can we learn? Start us to animal control? Please,
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Speaker 1: we'll just meet in the stage. We have a couple
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Speaker 1: areas of residents were unable to check to do a
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Speaker 1: dog control. Out of nine, I think to Kah we
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Speaker 1: have five victims. Can we confirm that four ten zero?
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Speaker 1: Or can you advise for the past stages and for
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Speaker 1: PIO I can't confirm yet control corner fourteen that they
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Speaker 1: give a conditional that will being transported extremely Chris, extremely critical.
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Speaker 1: Did you notice there, Joe Scott Morgan, how the body
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Speaker 1: count rose in about thirty seconds. First of all, they
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Speaker 1: call in despotch three, three shot dead, then they raise
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Speaker 1: it to five. Little did they know that the count
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Speaker 1: would be six dead, one in critical condition. Explain Jos
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Speaker 1: Goot Morgan, what's happening as this cop is going through
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Speaker 1: the home. Everybody, Joe Scott Morgan, death investigator has been
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Speaker 1: on many many homicide scenes. Jump in, Joe, Hey, listen,
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Speaker 1: Nancy when you heard him say just a few moments ago,
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Speaker 1: we want to make this perimeter as big as possible.
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Speaker 1: One of our basic ideas here and Cromp Scene investigation
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Speaker 1: is that when you get there, you set that perimeter
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Speaker 1: out as far as you can go, and then you
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Speaker 1: can track it down. They're trying to secure everything at
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Speaker 1: this moment in time. What they do know is that
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Speaker 1: they have a group of bodies that are located in
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Speaker 1: a specific area, all confined to a home. But this
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Speaker 1: is going to be literally a bloody mass I've walked
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Speaker 1: into many cases like this over the course of my
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Speaker 1: career where mass homicide has been committed, and the problem
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Speaker 1: is is that you get this overload in your brain
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Speaker 1: and you don't you have to make sense of this
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Speaker 1: horrific scene in the context of what you're seeing, because
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Speaker 1: you're talking about huge, huge age ranges. You're looking at
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Speaker 1: people that should be vibrant up. I want to take
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Speaker 1: in the fact that this is now a mass murder.
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Speaker 1: In some jurisdictions, mass murder is anything more than one body.
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Speaker 1: Apparently in Indiana it's four bodies. Yeah, and it's go ahead, yeah,
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Speaker 1: And it's going to be dependent upon what's your department
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Speaker 1: it's capable of handling. Because when you use that term
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Speaker 1: mass homicide, uh, we're looking at a situation where where
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Speaker 1: they can call in extra help. At that point, in time,
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Speaker 1: because it's just too much, even in a place like
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Speaker 1: Indianapolis that has its shaff cron violent crop. But this
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Speaker 1: is going to be something that they have to take
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Speaker 1: step by step and be very very careful because Nancy,
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Speaker 1: they're going to be bodies potentially huddled together. You're going
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Speaker 1: to have bodies that are at some great distance from
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Speaker 1: one of them. Of course, happened at three forty five
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Speaker 1: am on a Sunday morning. Some people could have even
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Speaker 1: been asleep. Guys, take a listen to Sergeant Shane Foley
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Speaker 1: of the individuals. One of the individuals was pregnant and
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Speaker 1: transported to an area hospital. Despite the best life saving
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Speaker 1: efforts provided by medical staff, both a female and the
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Speaker 1: unborn child do not survive. The junile male who was
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Speaker 1: shot is expected to survive his injuries. From what we
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Speaker 1: know at the very early stages of this investigation, this
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Speaker 1: does not appear to be a random act. This is
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Speaker 1: a very active investigation. To Texas are still on scene
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Speaker 1: campassing the area for witnesses or anyone with information. I've
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Speaker 1: taken a long look at the area. To you, Tyler
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Speaker 1: Hunt joining me from crime online dot Com. It looks
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Speaker 1: like a residential area. It's on the east side of Indianapolis.
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Speaker 1: It reminds me a lot of where I grew up.
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Speaker 1: It's a working class neighborhood. It's a split level brick home,
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Speaker 1: lawn of grass in the front and the back tree
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Speaker 1: lined on one side. There's a cement driveway that goes
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Speaker 1: down under part of the split level into the backyard.
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Speaker 1: I know that there was a basement because we are learning.
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Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong, Tyler, You're more familiar with
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Speaker 1: the facts than all of us are. That the younger
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Speaker 1: brother in the family, about fifteen years old, was downstairs
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Speaker 1: in the basement when he heard gunfire breakout upstairs, followed
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Speaker 1: by the scream of his thirteen year old sister, Rita.
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Speaker 1: He's shooting everybody. Let's just start with who are the victims,
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Speaker 1: Tyler Hunt, What do we know right now? Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: the victims are Unfortunately all seemed to be part of
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Speaker 1: the same family. There's a father, forty two year old
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Speaker 1: Raymond Childs, and the other forty two year old involved,
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Speaker 1: Kazi Childs. The eighteen year old Elijah child is the
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Speaker 1: son of both parents, and then thirteen year old Rita
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Speaker 1: Child's also a daughter of the parents. There's also a
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Speaker 1: nineteen year old president, Kiera Hawkins, and Kiera also was
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Speaker 1: pregnant with a baby boy near a full term baby boy.
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Speaker 1: So those are the victims in this case. Now we
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Speaker 1: also have a teen boy that lived. To my understanding,
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Speaker 1: Tyler Hunt, the teen boy, the fifteen year old that
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Speaker 1: was I guess sleeping in the basement. Again, it was
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Speaker 1: three forty five am when neighbors heard gunfire breakout. Was
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Speaker 1: in the basement. He heard the thirteen year old sister
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Speaker 1: a Rita upstairs scream out, he's shooting everybody. He runs
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Speaker 1: and he is actually chased through the yard and shot
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Speaker 1: by the killer. That's what we're learning right now. I'll
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Speaker 1: take a listen to this. And we also spoke with
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Speaker 1: one neighbor out here or she said she knows the family,
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Speaker 1: saying they lived there for a few years and she
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Speaker 1: actually just gave baby toys to the woman who was pregnant.
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Speaker 1: It might see him take out them. People out of
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Speaker 1: there cannot believe it. I'm oka. I just hope that
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Speaker 1: they fan who did this. And for that juvenile that
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Speaker 1: was shot and found around the corner, we do know
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Speaker 1: that he is expected to survive, which would make him
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Speaker 1: the lone survivor of this horrific crime. Police were knocking
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Speaker 1: on her door at five am asking if she had
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Speaker 1: heard anything. Then they informed the neighbor there was just
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Speaker 1: shooting at her neighbor's home. You were just hearing the
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Speaker 1: ladies from our friends at wx I N Fox five
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, for those of you
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Speaker 1: just joining us, one of the worst mass murders in
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Speaker 1: Indiana history. We now know nearly an entire family has
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Speaker 1: been wiped out. The child's family that includes Kezzie Childs
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Speaker 1: the mother forty two years old, her husband, Raymond Childs Junior,
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Speaker 1: the father forty two years old, eighteen year old son,
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Speaker 1: Elijah Child's thirteen year old little sister, Rita Childs. A
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Speaker 1: friend in the home, Kiara Walkins Hawkins just nineteen. She
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Speaker 1: was one month away from giving birth to a baby boy.
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Speaker 1: Both she and the baby dead. Then the teen boy
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Speaker 1: in the homes I told you that was in the
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Speaker 1: basement is in critical condition right now in the hospital.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Kathleen Murphy, veteran trial lawyer in Indianapolis.
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Speaker 1: There is a very strong fetal homicide statute. In fact,
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Speaker 1: it's so strong that if you kill a fetus. This
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Speaker 1: is not including if the mother terminates her pregnancy, you
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Speaker 1: get an additional six to twenty years tacked onto your sentence.
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Speaker 1: Explain what is a fetal homicide statute, Kathleen Murphy. A
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Speaker 1: fetal homicide statute, especially in Indiana, is where a child
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Speaker 1: can survive outside of the womb, that is considered to
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Speaker 1: be a viable person, and that person that has been
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Speaker 1: killed while in womb is considered a death that you
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Speaker 1: can be charged with. That's right, a separate death. And
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Speaker 1: what Kathleen Murphy said is legally critically important. If the
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Speaker 1: wild is viable and can live outside the womb, then
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Speaker 1: it is considered a human. A human. That term is
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Speaker 1: important because you have to be a human to be
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Speaker 1: a victim of a murder. I know this sounds obvious,
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Speaker 1: but under the law is very important. If this fetus
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Speaker 1: is viable, it's considered a human and is considered a
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Speaker 1: victim to a murder. So the killer will not only
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Speaker 1: get the murder charges against the mom, the dad, the brother,
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Speaker 1: the sister, the nineteen year old mom, but the baby,
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Speaker 1: the unborn baby as well. And that's why it's so
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Speaker 1: important that we know this baby was only four weeks
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Speaker 1: away from being delivered. I want to go back out
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Speaker 1: to you, Tyler Hunt, joining me from crime online dot Com.
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Speaker 1: The family all living under one roof. I don't believe
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Speaker 1: we have been able to are the connection of Kiara
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Speaker 1: Hawkins to the family yet. Do you know has that
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Speaker 1: been announced? I have not seen it. I know she
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Speaker 1: was obviously in the house of the time. Yes, yes, guys,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend now, Sergeant Shane Folly.
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Speaker 1: What occurred this morning, based on the evidence that's been
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Speaker 1: gathered so far, was a mass murder. More than that,
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Speaker 1: we believe it was not random. There are no right
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Speaker 1: words to say at this time. I'm myself from heartbroken
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Speaker 1: for the lives that have been taken too soon, for
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Speaker 1: the young life that forever been changed, and for the
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Speaker 1: life that never got a chance to start. For the
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Speaker 1: neighborhood left to pick up the pieces in the wake
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Speaker 1: of unprecedented violence, and for all of the family and
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Speaker 1: friends have been rocked of grief. Straight out to Karen
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Speaker 1: start the joining me Karen Stark, renowned psychologists joining us
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Speaker 1: out of New York. Karen, I want you to think,
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Speaker 1: just for a moment before we continue to delve into
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Speaker 1: the crime of the effect this has on a community.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Karen, you live in a high rise in Manhattan.
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Speaker 1: What if you found out the family next to you,
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Speaker 1: the entire family and your high rise was shot dead
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Speaker 1: while you're asleep next door. That instills terror. It instills
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Speaker 1: terror tremendous feel think about that in the high rise
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Speaker 1: or any community, Nancy, where you're assuming this family is okay,
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Speaker 1: there are people that knew then we don't know exactly
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Speaker 1: why that person was there, who was pregnant, that it
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Speaker 1: seems like the mother was about to have a grandchild.
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Speaker 1: Old friends, people know each other for a long time,
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Speaker 1: and then suddenly the entire family is annihilated. And that's
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Speaker 1: a terrible shock, a tragedy, and fear for a community.
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Speaker 1: You know. I want to follow up to you just Morgan,
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Speaker 1: death investigator on what police said that this is not
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Speaker 1: a random attack. Why do they say that the minute
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Speaker 1: they walk on the scene they say this is not
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Speaker 1: a random attack. Why it all goes to access, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: You know, who's going to go in? Who's going to
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Speaker 1: go in at I think you had mentioned it's like
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Speaker 1: three am roughly. Who's going to go into that environment,
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Speaker 1: into a contained environment for people are probably asleep, where
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Speaker 1: people are probably sleep completely as you know, completely defenseless
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Speaker 1: at that moment time. It's not like they walked into
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Speaker 1: a big, crowded a nightclub or they're out on the
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Speaker 1: street and they just begin randomly firing. Nancy. This is
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Speaker 1: a resident. This is like where we're supposed to feel
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Speaker 1: the most safe, right, So automatically the police know that
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Speaker 1: something's up. The investigators know someone had to have access
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Speaker 1: to not the exterior but the interior of that home
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Speaker 1: and walk through and they just brought hell with them.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know what it's telling me and Tyler
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Speaker 1: Hunt joining me, a reporter joining us from crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com. We've heard nothing about a forced entry. We've
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Speaker 1: heard nothing about windows broken, We've heard nothing about the
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Speaker 1: lot on the front door being jimmied in any way.
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Speaker 1: So obviously, whoever the shooter was can get into the
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Speaker 1: home with a key, was let in because it was
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Speaker 1: recognized and I say, hey, he, because typically mass murder
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Speaker 1: is conducted by a he or was living in the home.
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Speaker 1: So those are the three alternatives. Either the door was opened,
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Speaker 1: he was let in, or he lived in the home.
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Speaker 1: Also Tyler Hunt, unless you know differently, We've heard no
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Speaker 1: suggestion of a rape as a motive, a sex attack,
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Speaker 1: or a theft. So what's the point. We've got the
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Speaker 1: cops saying this is not random, We've got no forced intry,
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Speaker 1: We've got no rape, no theft. So I think jos
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Speaker 1: got Morgan is right. This is not random. And and
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Speaker 1: I'm asking you, Tyler Hunt, are you familiar with any
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Speaker 1: fact suggesting that there was a sex attack or theft?
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Speaker 1: There was no There was no theft involved, no sex
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Speaker 1: attack involved. It was a connection to the family. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's got to be. It is not random. We know that.
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Speaker 1: And even the Indianapolis Mayor, Joe Huccept is weighing in.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen. This morning, one or more individuals perpetrated
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Speaker 1: an act of evil in our city and says that
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Speaker 1: led to this incident. I want to be very clear
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Speaker 1: about something. What happened this morning was not an act
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Speaker 1: of simple gun violence. As tragic as a simple act
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Speaker 1: of gun violence is. What happened this morning was a
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Speaker 1: mass murder the choice of an individual or individuals to
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Speaker 1: bring and I do not use these words lightly terror
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Speaker 1: to our community. Crime stories with Nancy grace those of
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Speaker 1: you just joining us. One of the mass murders to
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Speaker 1: ever go down in the state of Indiana and Indianapolis
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Speaker 1: home under siege after an entire family is wiped out.
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Speaker 1: We do know that Indiana is a death penalty state.
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Speaker 1: The last person put to death was John Wrinkle and
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Speaker 1: that was back in two thousand and nine. But what
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Speaker 1: happened Take a listen to our friend Angela Brauer and
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Speaker 1: also Nick McGill at CBS four WTTV. Officers responded to
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Speaker 1: East thirty six three Sunday morning and initially found a
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Speaker 1: teenager shot. Police said he escaped the family's home while
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Speaker 1: the killing was happening. He is in critical condition but
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Speaker 1: is expected to survive. Officers then went to North Adams Street,
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Speaker 1: where that boy lived. That's where they found five people dead.
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Speaker 1: The Marion County Corner now confirming. The victims include two
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Speaker 1: forty two year old adults, Kezzie and Raymond Childs, eighteen
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Speaker 1: year old Elijah Childs, and thirteen year old Rita Childs.
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Speaker 1: Also nineteen year old Kiara Hawkins who was pregnant with
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Speaker 1: a baby boy, and also from Nicole Griffith at WRTV.
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Speaker 1: We have learned the identities of the people's shot and
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Speaker 1: killed inside that home in the thirty five hundred block
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Speaker 1: of North Adams Street, forty two year old Kezie Childs,
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Speaker 1: forty two year old Raymond Childs or eighteen year old
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Speaker 1: Elijah Childs, thirteen year old Rita Childs, and nineteen year
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Speaker 1: old Kiara Hawkins and her unborn baby boy. The case
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Speaker 1: has a community on edge and police are determined to
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Speaker 1: catch the person or people responsible. You know, I'm thinking
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Speaker 1: about it straight to you, Joe Scott Morgan. The thirteen
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Speaker 1: year old little sister, Riata Childs, I think, is the
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Speaker 1: one that screamed out he's shooting everybody. Can you imagine?
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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a mass murder like this where
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Speaker 1: someone as young as thirteen years old is gunned down,
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Speaker 1: and of course with the nineteen year old Kiara Hawkins
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Speaker 1: who's eight months pregnant. Yeah, I have. As a matter
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Speaker 1: of fact, Nancy, something jumped to mind from the late
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess it was the late nineties.
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Speaker 1: The Adamsville masker in Atlanta, where we had I think
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Speaker 1: it was seven killed, very similar to this in a
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Speaker 1: small It was a smaller home than this home, but
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Speaker 1: it was total chaos. Well, I remember going to the
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Speaker 1: scene and having we had to work this case in teens,
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Speaker 1: to go in and work each individual body as a
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Speaker 1: separate you know, as a separate entity, which they are
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Speaker 1: as humans. But it's the collective mass killing in this
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Speaker 1: environment where you're not just concerned about all of the
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Speaker 1: bodies but the individual that's right before you, and you're
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Speaker 1: having to walk through blood and I literally mean this.
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Speaker 1: This is actually where my memoir, the name of my
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Speaker 1: memoir came from, blood beneath my feet because I slid
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Speaker 1: down in the blood at that scene. It is a
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Speaker 1: horrendous mess. It's all self contained, it's in a single residence.
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Speaker 1: It is people think that they understand what horror is.
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Speaker 1: They don't know horror until they walk into this environment.
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Speaker 1: And to put it in context, fancy. The reason is
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Speaker 1: is that we're always having to observe the abnormal in
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Speaker 1: the context of the normal. This is a home. This
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Speaker 1: is a place where you celebrate Christmas and Easter and
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Speaker 1: all these family gatherings, a happy place. This is a
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Speaker 1: total health scape. When you walk into this environment, are
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Speaker 1: you just joining us? We are talking about the worst
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Speaker 1: mass murder scene in years in Indianapolis, right now, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to this. Shortly before four am, police found
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Speaker 1: a wounded teenager in the thirty three hundred block of
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Speaker 1: East thirty sixth Street. When he got to the hospital,
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Speaker 1: according to an IMPD report obtained by CBS four News,
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Speaker 1: that team told police his brother had killed everyone. When
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Speaker 1: police returned to North Adams Street, they found the five
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Speaker 1: bodies in the home. The sixth victim was the near
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Speaker 1: full term baby boy of nineteen year old Kiera Hawkins,
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Speaker 1: who died along with parents Kezie and Raymond Child and
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Speaker 1: their children Elijah and Rita all dead. And now we're
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Speaker 1: getting the first hint of exactly who may be the sheeter.
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Speaker 1: Four am police are on the scene, but first they
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Speaker 1: are called Tyler Hunt joining me from crime online dot
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Speaker 1: Com to a different home. When they get to that home,
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Speaker 1: they fine a fifteen year old boy, shot but alive.
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Speaker 1: I understand that that's where they're getting the evidence, that's
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Speaker 1: where they're learning more from this eyewitness. Tyler nuts correct.
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Speaker 1: So that East thirty sixth Street is where the police
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Speaker 1: were called originally of the person shot that was the juvenile,
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Speaker 1: the fifteen year old. They were then they spoke to
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Speaker 1: the juvenile, who then directed them to his home and
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Speaker 1: told them that the brother shot everybody. Then led them
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Speaker 1: to that three thirty three hundred block on Adams Street,
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Speaker 1: which is the residence that the individuals were found dead.
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Speaker 1: So the fifteen year old is the one that was
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Speaker 1: running from the home and actually shot as he's trying
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Speaker 1: to get away. Take a listen to Russ mcquaite, CBS
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Speaker 1: for Indianapolis. According to the IMPD report, the survivor who
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Speaker 1: ran for his life said his older brother got in
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Speaker 1: trouble for going out Saturday night and when he returned
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Speaker 1: home Sunday morning, Raymond Childs told his son they would
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Speaker 1: deal with this later. It was sometime later when the
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Speaker 1: child said he heard gun shots upstairs and his sister's
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Speaker 1: voice yelling that they were being shot. The teen said
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Speaker 1: his brother came downstairs where he was with his parents
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Speaker 1: and started shooting guys. We are also learning that, according
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Speaker 1: to police sources inside the Metro Indianapolis Metro Police Department,
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Speaker 1: the IMPD, that a draco gun was used. For those
22:26
Speaker 1: of you hopefully not familiar with a draco gun, it
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Speaker 1: is often called a baby AK a baby AK forty seven.
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Speaker 1: It is a handgun that shoots rifle bullets. It looks
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Speaker 1: like an assault rifle without the stock. It looks like
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Speaker 1: a Tommy gun of sorts to you. Joe Scott Morgan
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Speaker 1: death investigator way in on a Draco gun made very
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Speaker 1: popular recently by very famous rappers, including Soldier Boy, whose
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Speaker 1: nickname is Draco. He claims it is because of his initials,
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Speaker 1: but I disagree. I think it's because of the glorification
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Speaker 1: of the Draco gun. It's Romanian import the manufacturers in
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Speaker 1: Romania at is manufacturing Draco's in the US. Jump in,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, you know more about ballistics than I do. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: one of the more Just to start off, one of
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Speaker 1: the more ominous things about this, Draco literally translates into
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Speaker 1: the word dragon. That's where Dracula comes from. It's where
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Speaker 1: Draco Malfoy from Harry Potter comes from. That's rather ominous
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Speaker 1: when you think about this, and right you are, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: This weapon fires a rifle round that's what's called the
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Speaker 1: seven point six two by thirty nine. It's the same
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Speaker 1: round that AK forty seventh round fire. It's a smaller
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Speaker 1: compact version of this. You can hide it beneath your jacket.
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Speaker 1: It's larger than what you think of as a standard pistol.
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Speaker 1: And Nancy, just to give you a frame of reference here,
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Speaker 1: the actual total length of the rifle round itself that's
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Speaker 1: being fired is about just over two inches in length,
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Speaker 1: whereas if you compare that to like a nine millimeter
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Speaker 1: that more people are familiar with, it's only about an
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Speaker 1: inch in length. When this weapon would have been fired
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Speaker 1: inside of the home, it would have sounded like a thunderclap,
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Speaker 1: even more so than a regular handgun. And this is
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Speaker 1: a military grade round that is meant to do a
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Speaker 1: tremendous amount of destruction. When it hits flesh, it hits bone,
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Speaker 1: it rips it to shreds. And so when you heard
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Speaker 1: this young girl, this thirteen year old, this poor little angel,
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Speaker 1: when she was struck by this round, or she had
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Speaker 1: an awareness this what's going to happen, I can almost
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Speaker 1: guarantee you that's the last she breathed on this earth.
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Speaker 1: It would have been devastating. That's why I am saying
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Speaker 1: that this scene would have been a wash in blood.
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Speaker 1: Not only that this thing has a capacity. One of
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Speaker 1: the magazines, I think the one that comes with has
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Speaker 1: a thirty round magazine, So there would have been what
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Speaker 1: we call spent brass all over these rooms. So not
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Speaker 1: only are you contending with blood and the bodies, you've
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Speaker 1: got all of the spent ammunition that's laying around. And
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Speaker 1: then it continues on into the yard. As you know,
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Speaker 1: as Tyler pointed out, you got this fifteen year old,
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Speaker 1: it's leaning for his life. Can you imagine being contained
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Speaker 1: inside of this house and hearing these thunderclaps inside? I
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Speaker 1: would imagine if they go back in the canvass area,
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Speaker 1: it is a high likelihood that even at three am,
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Speaker 1: the people that lived immediately adjacent this could not have
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Speaker 1: slept through it. They would have heard something. You would
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Speaker 1: have add ear witnesses, if you will to this event
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Speaker 1: Climb stories with Nancy Grace. Now we are back with
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Speaker 1: the latest out of Indianapolis, Indiana or one of the
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Speaker 1: worst mass shootings in the state's history has occurred. Yes,
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Speaker 1: there have been mass murders there before. Rarely do you
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Speaker 1: see an entire family wiped out by use of an
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Speaker 1: alleged draco gun. A baby AK forty seven, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to this. The seventeen year old, a male arrested
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Speaker 1: in this case is a member of the family that
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Speaker 1: was found dead inside the home at thirty fifth and
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Speaker 1: Adams on the city's east side. Here the details that
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Speaker 1: I can confirm at this very hour. The motive for
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Speaker 1: the mass shooting still not known. We've learned that police
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Speaker 1: did recover a handgun untild. The arrest happened early this morning.
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Speaker 1: The team was arrested on two initial criminal charges of
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Speaker 1: murder and attempted murder. Those charges will likely change when
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Speaker 1: the Marin County Prosecutor's Office actually files charges at some
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Speaker 1: point the office. At this point, the prosecutor's office is
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Speaker 1: only confirming that impd made and rest not because the
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Speaker 1: team is looking at possible murder charges. A state law
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Speaker 1: would not require the seventeen year old to undergo a
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Speaker 1: traditional waiver hearing from juvenile court to adult court. So
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Speaker 1: this team more than likely will face murder charges. As
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Speaker 1: an adult, he'll face those charges directly. No charges though,
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Speaker 1: have been made or decisions have been made on any
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Speaker 1: formal charges. Yes, just yet. Here hearing Raphael Sanchez WRTV
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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, and what he's saying is this, In most jurisdictions,
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Speaker 1: there are seven deadly sins. The seven deadlies that apply
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Speaker 1: to juveniles. For a juvenile usually to be treated as
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Speaker 1: an adult in the adult court system, there is a
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Speaker 1: bind overhearing. In other words, the cases transferred over bound
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Speaker 1: over from juvenile court to adult felony Superior court. In
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Speaker 1: the case of the Seven deadlies, that often it's not required,
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Speaker 1: it triggers an immediate treatment as an adult. Those deadlies,
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Speaker 1: as I can recall our murder, aggravated sex assault, aggravated
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Speaker 1: saw toomy, childless station, aggravated battery, armed robbery cases that
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Speaker 1: are of an ILK so YU see violence inflicted on
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Speaker 1: the victim. This is one of the seven deadlies. I
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Speaker 1: have no doubt Kathleen Murphy, a veteran trial lawyer joining
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Speaker 1: me out of North Carolina, that this seventeen year old
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Speaker 1: will be treated as an adult. He will not be
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Speaker 1: subjected to the death penalty. Under a fairly recent US
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court decision, anyone under eighteen in the US, no
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Speaker 1: matter how many people they murder, cannot get the death penalty,
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Speaker 1: even though Indiana, Indiana is a death penalty state there
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Speaker 1: as opposed to many jurisdictions Kathleen Murphy that give life
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Speaker 1: behind bars for murder. He's got forty five to sixty
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Speaker 1: five years behind bars on murder. But it can run consecutively. Explain,
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Speaker 1: consecutively means each and every one of those crimes will
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Speaker 1: be served after serving for the first crime, and then
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Speaker 1: after the second crime. Concurrent is where they're all served
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Speaker 1: at the same time. Suffice it to say, Nancy, this
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Speaker 1: child will never see the light of day again. Aver
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Speaker 1: I mean he should have been a position to be
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Speaker 1: facing high school graduation. Instead, he's facing the rest of
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Speaker 1: his life behind bars. If convicted as an adult while
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Speaker 1: still a juvenile, he will spend the next few years
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Speaker 1: behind bars in a juvenile facility. At age twenty one,
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Speaker 1: he will most likely be transferred to an adult facility
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Speaker 1: in general population. To Karen Start, NewYork psychologists, you can
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Speaker 1: find Karen dot com. It's very hard for me to
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Speaker 1: imagine a seventeen year old teen I'm leaving out of
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Speaker 1: what looks to be a Tommy gun onto his own family,
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Speaker 1: all because the dad reprimanded him for going out without permission.
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Speaker 1: But you're not talking about the kinds of seventeen year
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Speaker 1: olds that you're exposed to, Nancy. This is somebody who's
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Speaker 1: very different. There's some emotional and immediate need that comes
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Speaker 1: over somebody like this, And I want you to understand
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Speaker 1: that this kind of killing is never spontaneous. And so
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Speaker 1: the fact that he had that gun, he planned it.
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Speaker 1: He was ready to seek revenge. He didn't matter if
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Speaker 1: his father was going to be reprimanding him for being
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Speaker 1: out all life or saying you have to be around
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Speaker 1: the family more often. This was brewing inside of this boy.
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Speaker 1: We don't exactly know why, but this kind of killer
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Speaker 1: will place the blame externally on the family and has
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Speaker 1: severe problems being able to cope. Now, Karen Start, you
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Speaker 1: are not running up the flagpole some type of mental defect,
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Speaker 1: because just let me remind you, Karen Start, that the shooter,
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Speaker 1: according to cops, then fled the scene. Fled the scene,
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Speaker 1: and a neighbor provided information where he could be found
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Speaker 1: in a nearby neighborhood where he was found. If you
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Speaker 1: have the wherewithal to flee the scene, to me, that
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Speaker 1: is evidence of guilt. I mean, would I see a
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Speaker 1: cop behind me, I may slow down the car, but
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Speaker 1: I don't take off at one hundred mphs to get
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Speaker 1: away from the cop. Why would I. When you flee
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Speaker 1: the seat of a crime, that's evidence that you know
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Speaker 1: you've done something wrong and under our law back me
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Speaker 1: up on this, Kathleen Murphy. Our law is governed by
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Speaker 1: the old McNaughton rule, which has been brought over to
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Speaker 1: our country is common law from Great Britain from England
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Speaker 1: that says, if you knew right from wrong at the
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Speaker 1: time of the incident, you knew what you were doing.
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Speaker 1: Bam Kathleen. Yes, no, bam. Lee shows that you knew
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Speaker 1: you were wrong at the time. There is no defense
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Speaker 1: that he had a mental defense that would change the
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Speaker 1: nature of what he's charged with or sentenced with. And
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Speaker 1: I don't want to go to deathcome for into legality.
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Speaker 1: But in many jurisdictions across the country, the judge no
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Speaker 1: longer instructs the jury as to the law of flight
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Speaker 1: as being potential evidence of guilt. However, the prosecutor can
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Speaker 1: argue it in closing statements, and of course a jury
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Speaker 1: knows that. Guys. Take a listen now to Amanda Sarantino WRTV,
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Speaker 1: longtime friends of Kesie Child's, India Hammond and Anastasia Dipman.
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Speaker 1: Hammond says she spoke to a surviving son and the
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Speaker 1: child's family. She says he and others are trying to
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Speaker 1: cope as best they can. Disbelief. I've bean heart focuses.
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Speaker 1: I heard it because this doesn't make sense. It's senseless.
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Speaker 1: They're good people. I don't know why this took place.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what led to it. I'm very sure
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Speaker 1: people are going to assume whatever it is that they
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Speaker 1: want to assume. But the bottom line is they didn't
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Speaker 1: deserve this. They were good people. I know her heart,
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Speaker 1: I know how she was raised. She was a good person.
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Speaker 1: This was uncalled for. I want to follow up on that,
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Speaker 1: because Karen Stark, so often you'll hear very crude assumptions
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Speaker 1: made about victims. There is no evidence whatsoever this family
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Speaker 1: was anything but upstanding, loving, caring. Not one bad word
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Speaker 1: have we heard from neighbors, nothing, not that any of
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Speaker 1: them had ever been arrested. Now that this was some
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Speaker 1: sort of a drug dan nothing like this, which makes
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Speaker 1: it all the more stark and seemingly out of place.
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, There's no doubt about that, Nancy. If you
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Speaker 1: hear what people are saying, people who grew up with
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Speaker 1: the mother are talking about what a wonderful family it was.
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Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with what happened this is
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Speaker 1: all because of one member of the family, and there
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Speaker 1: is I have to agree with you that this seventeen
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Speaker 1: year old knew what he was doing. If you think
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Speaker 1: about the fact that when his brother ran away from
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Speaker 1: the home, he pursued him and kept on shooting. He
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Speaker 1: wanted every single person in that house to be dead.
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Speaker 1: Is his issue. The fact that he is blaming whatever
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Speaker 1: they were accusing him of on the family, taking it
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Speaker 1: out on them having revenge sucks. His family could have
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Speaker 1: been absolutely fine. If there is a problem with that
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Speaker 1: one child, we wait as justice Unfoalds. Nancy graces crime story,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend.