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Set 2: GBF- What are They Watching? (w/ Bruce Feldman & Phil Simms) · Stugotz and Company

• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Bruce Feldman from The Athletic is joining us right now.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to start in a ridiculous place here,
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: but I have to ask this question. Because if there
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: is one, I have a feeling I know some of
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: the people who are in this group chat. So I
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  Speaker 1: am wondering, Bruce, is there a group chat where former
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: Miami Hurricane alums They get together and they have talking points.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: They share talking points with one another. And if so,
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: is Bear and Mike Ryan in that group chat?
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  Speaker 2: I've only heard about this group. I wouldn't be surprised
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: if there's somebody in there who bets on Major League
• 0:45
  Speaker 2: Baseball games that aren't in the pennant race or that
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: somebody's in there with a very stylish mustache who's.
• 0:52
  Speaker 3: Not become a big TV star. That was a great answer.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for giving it to us.
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: What has surprised you the most about this college football
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  Speaker 1: season so far, Bruce?
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  Speaker 2: Good question. You know, I got to admit that Oregon
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  Speaker 2: has looked really shaky, and I did not expect that.
• 1:13
  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: They got beat at Oklahoma State. They really got beat
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  Speaker 2: down by the Cowboys. And, you know, Oklahoma State was
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  Speaker 2: coming off a bad loss to Tulsa, and they took
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: it to them, and now they play USC. it's a,
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of feels like a loser leaves town match,
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  Speaker 2: which is kind of to evoke the old, like pro
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  Speaker 2: wrestling kind of vibe, just because everybody's like, all right, Lincoln,
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  Speaker 2: stop making excuses. Stop giving explanations, just win a game,
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  Speaker 2: win a big game. And so there's that, I think the,
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: you know, that part of the Oregon part, if they
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: somehow start out with two losses and it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 2: that you beat Portland state 98 to nothing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you got to, It felt like this was a year where,
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  Speaker 2: all right, does Oregon finally win a national title? I
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  Speaker 2: feel like that was a big– right now it's a
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  Speaker 2: big headliner in terms of everything else. But it's still
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  Speaker 2: really early in the season. I mean, honestly, last year
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  Speaker 2: I thought Clemson was going to be a lot better.
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  Speaker 2: I'm surprised at how much they have struggled. I know
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  Speaker 2: they came back to win and beat North Carolina.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But it's just like, man, that program just seems to
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  Speaker 2: be sinking back to mediocrity pretty fast.
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  Speaker 5: Bruce, on the topic of North Carolina, I'm a North
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  Speaker 5: Carolina grad. The Belichick tenure has been largely a disappointment
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  Speaker 5: that's been marked by scandal more recently. What would you
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  Speaker 5: say the percentage chance is that he's North Carolina's coach
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  Speaker 5: this time next year?
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  Speaker 4: 40%.
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  Speaker 5: Too high for my liking.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think there's a better chance that he's
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  Speaker 2: not back.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like, as you know, being a North Carolina guy, like
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  Speaker 2: when Mack Brown was there in the second time, they
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  Speaker 2: were not great, but they were not terrible. They were
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  Speaker 2: terrible last year. And because of the people Bill Belichick
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  Speaker 2: put in place, most notably his right-hand guy, Mike Lombardi
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  Speaker 2: as the GM, the highest paid GM in college football,
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  Speaker 2: they became a laughingstock, right? And even when they won
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  Speaker 2: two games, you know, back when Larry Fedora was there,
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  Speaker 2: it was like it didn't feel the same way just
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  Speaker 2: because now all of a sudden you're taking the greatest
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  Speaker 2: coach in the history of the NFL, never been in college,
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  Speaker 2: you're sticking him in there at 70-something, and you just
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  Speaker 2: had a lot of drama. And it feels now like
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  Speaker 2: they're a much more competent operation. Obviously, they had a
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  Speaker 2: nice win over TCU in Ireland. You know, they let
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  Speaker 2: one get away last week at Clemson, but it feels
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  Speaker 2: like they're like, If you told me they went 6-6
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  Speaker 2: and went to a bowl game, I'd be like, that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't surprise me. But again, you're North Carolina. You're paying
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  Speaker 2: him twice as much as you paid Mack Brown for
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  Speaker 2: lesser results. And then you have to keep in mind,
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  Speaker 2: in this investigation, whatever happened in the personnel department that
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  Speaker 2: they looked into, not just with Lombardi, with people that
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  Speaker 2: Lombardi brought in, Bill Belichick's responsible for those decisions, whether
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  Speaker 2: he knew what was going on or should have known
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  Speaker 2: what was going on.
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  Speaker 3: Let's continue down that path. I like this. Percentage chance.
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  Speaker 1: Percentage chance Mike Norvell is back at Florida State next year.
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  Speaker 4: 12.
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  Speaker 3: I love that you're giving yes. This is fantastic. 12%
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  Speaker 3: on Norvell, huh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's optimistic. I mean, if you watch them play,
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  Speaker 2: You know, there'll be some decent things in there, but
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  Speaker 2: it's like it's Florida State. We're pretty far down the
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  Speaker 2: road with Mike Norvell. The only reason why I would
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  Speaker 2: say it's as high as it is, and again, it's
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  Speaker 2: not even in the teens, is it's a lot of money. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Florida State isn't Texas A & M where
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  Speaker 2: they have oil, you know, billionaires, you know, tripping over
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  Speaker 2: themselves around. You know, it's still Florida State. And he's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's not a terrible coach. It wasn't that
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  Speaker 2: long ago where, like, Alabama was looking at him and
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  Speaker 2: Kalen DeBoer as the guys they were considering to think
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  Speaker 2: they could, he could be the guy to replace Nick Saban.
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  Speaker 2: But it's just kind of falling apart. It doesn't feel
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  Speaker 2: like there's much alignment. It doesn't feel like there's much buy-in.
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  Speaker 2: They do have some talent in spots, but man, they
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  Speaker 2: look really bad on defense and it just feels like
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  Speaker 2: it's regressing and they're staring at that, you know, a
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  Speaker 2: three and four, possibly two and five start, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and then a bye week. Coming off of Miami, maybe
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  Speaker 2: they hit the reset button and go, all right, what's
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  Speaker 2: our plan B to get us kind of back? Because
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  Speaker 2: as you guys know, it's different than when Jimbo was rolling.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody who's connected to Florida State had pointed out a
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. He was like, when they had
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  Speaker 2: it going, Al Golden was the head coach at Miami.
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  Speaker 2: Jimbo could get whatever he wanted out of South Florida.
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  Speaker 2: Now you've got a recruiting maniac who's at Miami. And
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  Speaker 2: by the way, John Summerall is at Florida, and he's
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  Speaker 2: way more competent and it feels like they're on the
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  Speaker 2: right track. So now all of a sudden, you're third.
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  Speaker 2: You're not first. And to have a coach on the
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  Speaker 2: hot seat for that long, all right, what's the exit
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  Speaker 2: strategy and where are you going with it?
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  Speaker 5: Was that recruiting psycho Mike Ryan?
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  Speaker 3: He's not going to answer. He's just going to smile.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know who you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Miami is working the portal better than any program in
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  Speaker 1: the country.
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  Speaker 3: Is that fair? Is it fair to say that?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Mensa thing and the Cooper Bar-Kate. The other
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  Speaker 2: thing that they're doing is some teams are really good
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  Speaker 2: in the portal and some teams are pretty good at
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  Speaker 2: the high school recruiting. you know, Cristobal and the Miami
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  Speaker 2: operation are a plus on both of those.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Right. If you're seeing the offensive line, you're seeing the
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  Speaker 2: guys in the trenches. I don't want to just say
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  Speaker 2: that just the offensive lineman, cause it's defensive guys, but
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  Speaker 2: then you're seeing like, you know, like Malachi Tony's found gold.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I, I don't know why he was only
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  Speaker 2: a three star, but you know, you bring him, him,
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  Speaker 2: him in and he's a tone setter. And then you
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  Speaker 2: see other parts of the, of, um, on the roster
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  Speaker 2: where they have some of those guys. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that's the part where, okay, I don't know why it
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  Speaker 2: took this long for Miami to get this up to
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  Speaker 2: speed with it, but it's like as far as Miami goes,
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  Speaker 2: they seem to have like the ideal coach. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to say the perfect coach, but the ideal coach
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  Speaker 2: for this NIL era because it's really hard because of
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  Speaker 2: all the shuffling that goes on with rosters to get
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  Speaker 2: continuity in the trenches, especially on the O-line. Well, you
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  Speaker 2: got a guy who's elite at evaluating O-line and he's
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  Speaker 2: got such a relationship with his O-line guy that they're
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  Speaker 2: able to really put it together. It doesn't guarantee that
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  Speaker 2: they're going to win national championships now, but it definitely
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  Speaker 2: gives them a way better chance to be in the discussion.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're in the discussion and in that, then
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden I feel like it breeds into
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  Speaker 2: something because, you know, again, you guys know this well
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  Speaker 2: being down there, like All of a sudden, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and part of it is Malachi Toney, a big part
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  Speaker 2: of it. But I think Miami became very cool in
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  Speaker 2: the last, I don't know, you know, 12 months.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe not even 12 months. And I think now all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden it doesn't take that much for you
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  Speaker 2: to light that fuse. And it's definitely lit now.
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  Speaker 5: Bruce, back to FSU for a second. I take pride
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  Speaker 5: in 2026 not getting fooled by reports, fake reports on
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  Speaker 5: the Internet. Did I get fooled by a report by
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  Speaker 5: you that Jimbo Fisher really wants the FSU job and
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  Speaker 5: FSU brass is looking into it?
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  Speaker 2: I think that Jimbo Fisher has definite interest. That's what
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  Speaker 2: I'm told. And on the Florida State side, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what Florida State is going to do financially when
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  Speaker 2: they start kicking the tires on.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say, and this is a guy you guys know
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  Speaker 2: well and I know well too, and he's a good
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  Speaker 2: coach and he has ties to Florida State, and that's
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  Speaker 2: Manny Diaz. Manny Diaz is doing a really good job
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  Speaker 2: at Duke. If you want, if you, if you decide
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  Speaker 2: Manny Diaz is your best option, you know, how much
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  Speaker 2: is that going to cost you to get rid of
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  Speaker 2: Norvell at 50 million, get, you know, and then all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden, you know, if Manny has some buyout
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  Speaker 2: and bring him in and go forward, and then all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden you have to factor in, you know,
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  Speaker 2: clearly they were not, you know, from what I'm told,
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  Speaker 2: they were closer to USF than UM or UF when
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  Speaker 2: it came to their portal spending this past off season. So,
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  Speaker 2: What is the economics of that? And I think the
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  Speaker 2: part that I would imagine is going to be tough
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  Speaker 2: for them is on Jimbo. Can people can he talk
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  Speaker 2: his way into the job? Right. Right. Can he do
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  Speaker 2: that where it's like, OK, on some sense, financially, it
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  Speaker 2: makes sense. But does it really make sense to say
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  Speaker 2: because we've seen we've seen some version of this where
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  Speaker 2: it's whether Bobby Petrino comes back to Louisville and it
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  Speaker 2: worked for a little while until it didn't. or, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Mack Brown wasn't a disaster at North Carolina um you
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  Speaker 2: know Rich Rod is you know Rich Rod to me
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  Speaker 2: is a little different than some of these other guys
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: you know but because Rich Rod what he's doing at
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: West Virginia now let's you know he's off to a
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  Speaker 2: good start this year doesn't mean he's going to go
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  Speaker 2: you know 10 and 2 but I think that there's
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  Speaker 2: some of that where you can see a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of momentum. I don't know how, you know, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a tough sell on fans, but do you, if
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  Speaker 2: you're a Florida state, do you look and go, okay,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we can bring in Glenn Schumann, who's an unproven
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  Speaker 2: head coach, but has done a good job as Kirby's
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  Speaker 2: defensive coordinator. You know, again, I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: can sell them on, hey, Kenny Dillingham's going to come
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  Speaker 2: down here. You also don't know what jobs are coming
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  Speaker 2: open that are competing with you. That's, you know, last year,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of jobs came open. This year, we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: Can you imagine them ever going after Deion Sanders?
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  Speaker 2: No, not at this stage. Unless Deion had it going
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  Speaker 2: where like– remember, they just lost like 42-7 to Northwestern.
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  Speaker 2: And the part that's a tough sell with Deion, even
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  Speaker 2: if Deion's healthier this year than he was last year
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  Speaker 2: coming off of all his physical ailments, is– he's not
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  Speaker 2: going to be the one doing the home visits and the,
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  Speaker 2: and the recruiting. And that's the part where it's like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if, if you can, you can bank
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  Speaker 2: on a guy, no matter how strong his ties are
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  Speaker 2: to the school. Cause again, just keep in mind who
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  Speaker 2: are the two big coaches you're going up against right now,
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  Speaker 2: Cristobal and some raw, and they are why you better
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  Speaker 2: be all on it on recruiting. And I just think
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  Speaker 2: that's a tough, tough sell that you're going to get
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  Speaker 2: from Dion.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't mean for this to turn into what percentage
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  Speaker 6: of an ACC coach would be back.
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  Speaker 4: I got to throw one more out at you. Dabo Swinney.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, good one. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Excellent.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to say like 85%. The number's really high
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  Speaker 2: because they don't have a lot of money to throw around.
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  Speaker 2: And everything I've heard is like Dabo, no offset in
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  Speaker 2: his deal. You know, he has won national titles as
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  Speaker 2: we all know. So, you know, I think it could
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  Speaker 2: be the, It could be the, you know, slow leaning
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  Speaker 2: into the warm bath and you've got to ride it
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  Speaker 2: out with him. Right. You know, like this is what
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  Speaker 2: you got. And I think they could try to convince him, go, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we've got to change up some things we're doing in
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  Speaker 2: terms of staffing and maybe how we approach NIL and
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  Speaker 2: how we approach the portal because this is not working
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  Speaker 2: in this era. Especially if they go five and seven
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  Speaker 2: and miss a bowl and take another step back. It's
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  Speaker 2: one thing when you're like, oh, they're not winning national titles,
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  Speaker 2: but they're still a 10-win team. And they did make
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  Speaker 2: the playoff two years ago. But it's now. It just
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  Speaker 2: feels like that gap is falling. They massively underachieved last year.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the writing is on the wall. But
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  Speaker 2: that's the problem when you spend a fortune on a
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  Speaker 2: head coach's salary and you can't get out from under it.
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  Speaker 2: I think their best hope is that Dabo– looks around
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  Speaker 2: and goes, eh, I don't want to really do this anymore.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know what he wants to do then. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's what they're on the hook for.
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  Speaker 1: How do you feel about Florida's chances quickly here against
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  Speaker 1: Mississippi this weekend?
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  Speaker 3: At least they have them at home, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have them coming off a huge emotional game.
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  Speaker 2: I actually like the Gators here. Really good D-line. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like Jaden Baugh, by the end of the weekend,
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  Speaker 2: won't be the most underrated. offensive player in college football,
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  Speaker 2: but right now I think he is. I mean, he
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  Speaker 2: is a monster who fits with exactly what Summerall wants.
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  Speaker 2: They're well coached. I think if there's a chance, if
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  Speaker 2: there's a time to get Ole Miss, it is this week.
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  Speaker 2: And I think I'm sure the swamp will be wild.
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  Speaker 2: I would, I'm picking, I'm picking the Gators.
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  Speaker 5: Bruce, as a journalist and a best-selling author, is Kamario
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  Speaker 5: Taylor at Mississippi State the best story in college football
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  Speaker 5: right now where he's doing it for his hometown team
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  Speaker 5: right down the road?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I mean, it's hard to find
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  Speaker 2: the right comp. Because they were really bad the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of years, and all of a sudden now, again,
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  Speaker 2: they beat Minnesota on the road. It's a nice win.
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  Speaker 2: They beat South Carolina. Nice win. It's not like they
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  Speaker 2: went in to Baton Rouge and took them down or
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  Speaker 2: beat Georgia. But he is a spectacular player. I think
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  Speaker 2: what's worth noting is Mississippi State is an SEC school
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  Speaker 2: that they can throw some money around, and I think
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  Speaker 2: If you're looking at Kamario Taylor as potential first pick
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  Speaker 2: of the draft in 2028, I know Mississippi State can
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  Speaker 2: afford to pay him now, even if other people are saying, oh,
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  Speaker 2: Nichols may be not the guy next year. We could
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: throw a lot of money at this guy or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I think Mississippi State, because of his ties to the school,
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  Speaker 2: because he grew up a fan, I think that is
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  Speaker 2: a That is a cool subplot, and we'll see, because
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  Speaker 2: right now you have two quarterbacks in the state of
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  Speaker 2: Mississippi from very different starting points are among the most
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  Speaker 2: compelling players in college football this year.
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  Speaker 1: Have you recently seen Kamario Taylor and Mike Ryan in
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  Speaker 1: the same room together?
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  Speaker 3: You're not going to answer.
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  Speaker 2: I have not, but Mike Ryan's going to need to
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  Speaker 2: pay a fortune to get him out of Mississippi.
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  Speaker 3: Bruce Feldman, check out his work. He's outstanding. He's with
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: The Athletic.
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  Speaker 1: You can read him there. You can listen to him
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  Speaker 1: there very quickly. And we appreciate the time, sir, on
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  Speaker 1: the way out. You have been doing this for a
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  Speaker 1: long time. You are one of the best we have
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  Speaker 1: at doing this. College football, reporting on it, talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: I am wondering if I told you at any point
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  Speaker 1: before last year that one day Indiana would be on
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  Speaker 1: top of the college football world, you would have told
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  Speaker 1: me what?
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  Speaker 2: You're high. There's no way. Indiana, they were the losingest
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  Speaker 2: program in the history of college football, and then this
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  Speaker 2: 65-year-old guy comes in here and talks a lot and
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  Speaker 2: backs it all up. It's a mind-blowing story, and it's
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  Speaker 2: probably one of the best things about college football.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I've got to be honest with you. Bruce, there's
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  Speaker 3: a good chance I'd be high anyway.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not judging you.
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  Speaker 4: That's fine.
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  Speaker 1: We appreciate it, man. Check him out at The Athletic.
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  Speaker 1: You can read him there. You can listen to him there,
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  Speaker 1: Bruce Feldman. He is one of the best we have.
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  Speaker 3: In this business. Thank you for doing it, sir.
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  Speaker 1: It is time for this week's edition of studio gots
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• 16:23
  Speaker 1: week in college, nine and nine on the season. I'm
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: the Jeff Fisher of picking college football games. Let's get
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: to this week's games though. We have a big slate
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: of games coming up here in college football. Let's start
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: with Texas at Tennessee. Texas is minus 4.5. Buy it
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: down to 4. Take the Longhorns. Arch Manning wins. Peyton
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Manning's upset because Tennessee lost. He doesn't care about his nephew.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: I'm reporting that exclusively. Texas wins. They cover Texas by
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: 14 points on the road. Louisville, sneaky good team. Minus 13.5.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: They're taking on Wake Forest. I love Louisville here. Buy
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: it down to 13. That's how much I love them.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: I want you to spend extra money and buy a
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: half point.
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  Speaker 3: Louisville wins. They cover.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: They win by 24 points against Wake Forest. Mississippi plus
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: three and a half at Florida. Buy it up to four.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: And really, you have no reason to do so. Why?
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Because I think Mississippi wins the game outright. I think
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: they come in with a chip because Brady Quinn was right.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: No one is taking their win against LSU seriously. Otherwise,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: they'd be favored against Florida this week.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Mississippi wins the game outright.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: They cover Mississippi by a touchdown in Gainesville. Michigan, minus 5.5.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: They're taking on Iowa. I don't believe in Iowa. I
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: shouldn't believe in Michigan, yet I do. Buy it down
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: to 5.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Michigan wins.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: They cover Michigan by 10 points at home. Penn State,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: minus 9. Taking on Wisconsin. This is a different new
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Penn State team, I think.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: They're going to win.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: They're going to cover Penn State by 17 points at
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: home over Wisconsin. Alabama, 12 and a half, taking on
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: South Carolina. Buy it down to 12. Kalen the boar,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: he's got things cranked up at Alabama. And Alabama wins
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: and covers. They win by three touchdowns. Texas A & M,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: must-win game for them, plus 8 and a half. They're
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: at LSU, must-win game for them. When you have two teams,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: both in a must-win situation, I like to take the
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: team who's getting more than a touchdown. And Texas A &
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: M is plus 8.5.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: I like A & M.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I think that LSU wins, but I'm taking Texas A & M,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: LSU wins, by a field goal. Oregon, minus 2.5. They're
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: taking on USC. Lincoln Riley, do it against Oregon.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: He won't. They win. They cover the Ducks by 14. NFL,
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: 2-4 a week.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Ago, 7-5 on the season, just five games this week. Carolina,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: minus 2.5, taking on the Browns. I love Bryce Young.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I love this Carolina team. You know it's going to
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: be entertaining. Carolina wins, they cover. They win by 10
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: points on the road.
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  Speaker 3: The Bengals.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, he has a defense, and that is dangerous.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: They are minus three and a half at Pittsburgh. I
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: don't like Pittsburgh. They'll figure out a way to drag
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: it into the mud.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: They always do.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: But buy it down to three, take the Bengals. They
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: win by a touchdown in Pittsburgh. The Chiefs take it
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: on the Dolphins. This is definitely a pick against the
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Dolphins more so than it is a pick on the Chiefs.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: They're minus ten and a half. Buy it down to ten.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: The Dolphins stink.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: They're trying to lose every game. The Chiefs are trying
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: to win every game. I have the Chiefs here by
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: 24 points on the road. Saints, minus three against the Raiders.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Are the Raiders for real? We've been asking that question
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: for decades. They're not. Buy it down to two and
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: a half. Take the Saints.
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  Speaker 4: We lose.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Tyler Shuck around here. The Saints win. They cover.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: The Saints buy a touchdown. And finally, the 49ers minus
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: eight and a half. Take it on the Arizona Cardinals.
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  Speaker 1: Buy it down to eight. Take Brock Purdy and the Niners.
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  Speaker 3: They win. They cover by 13 points. Those are the picks, everyone.
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• 22:05
  Speaker 3: The great Phil Simms is with us. I have had
• 22:07
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  Speaker 1: Mikey, I got a call this morning from Phil Simms.
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  Speaker 1: And then 15 minutes later, I got a call from
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: his son, one of his sons, Chris Simms. I mean,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: what a day I'm having right now. And Phil Simms
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• 22:24
  Speaker 1: will be back with us starting Sunday. next week and
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: i'm very much looking forward uh to that phil did
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: you get all the chores you told me when we
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: spoke i think uh two hours ago you had a
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: bunch of things to do what did you have to
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: do did you get it all done i.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Got it all done yes it was uh it was
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: there to be had and i took advantage of it
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: of course in new jersey yes it used to be
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: where we live we you know we didn't have traffic
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: at all Right. And now it's just I got to
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: look it up to see what it is before I
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: leave the house. Right. Man, traffic has changed dramatically. That's
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: all I can say.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: What's your favorite chore, Phil?
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: My favorite chore?
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Making breakfast, dinner, whatever food for me to eat. Right.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: And I make breakfast basically every day for my wife
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: and myself. Right.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: How many times have you eaten today? It's 1245 right now.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Uh, just one little behind schedule, but yeah, I'm pretty
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: good at getting three square meals a day. And then
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: when I go to the gym, sometimes they stay home
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: and work out, but I step on the scale and
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: I go, Oh my God.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: You don't like what you see, huh?
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: I'm feeling good. And I think I look okay. And dang,
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: I am. I think I'm going to stand on that
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: scale because I've lost about I can feel like I've
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: lost five or 10 pounds. Step on it. And not
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: only did not lose any weight, I gained some. So, Phil,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: Speaking of not liking what you see, what do you
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: think of yesterday's game between the Falcons and the Packers?
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: Because that that Packers team.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: Woof.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah. You know, it was really, there's many things to
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: say about the game.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: You know, we all have the answers. They played three games.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: So we know, I don't know why they play any
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: more games because this is what's going to happen. So
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: we got that. But yeah, it was very surprising. And
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: I would say, of course, the running backs and the
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: coaching by Atlanta and everything at And, of course, the quarterback.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Finally.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: We got to see Michael Penix play a game.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: And even early in the game, I'm like, oh, come on, man.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Let it go. And all of a sudden, he threw
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: a couple of passes, and I went, now he's in.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: And he threw the ball. Once he kind of got
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: the feel, I'm going to say it may be late
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: first quarter. I can't remember. exactly when it was, but
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: he was really accurate. Even though he can throw it hard,
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: it's easy to catch because it's always a damn beautiful
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: spiral with some oomph behind it. So that makes it
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: even easier for the receivers. You ask a receiver, do
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: you want the ball smooth or do you want me
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: to just rip it in there to you? And I've
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: never not said that to one receiver who said– Well,
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: we want– no. They always say, yeah, get that damn
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: thing to me as fast as you can. Right.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Phil, how important– Yeah, he's doing it. How important is that?
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Because you played quarterback, obviously, at the highest of levels.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: You've won two Super Bowls. How important is completing a
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: couple of early passes, especially for a young quarterback, in
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: terms of confidence throughout the game? Because I remember you
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: playing Denver in that Super Bowl, and you completed, I think,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: like your first six or seven passes, and I saw
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the confidence building in you as the game went on.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: So how important is that?
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Well, of course, it's very important. And, you know, sometimes
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: it's going to, no matter who you are, it's going
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: to start out and you're going to be one for five.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: You just got to be tough enough and all that
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: to still fight through it and be who you are.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like a basketball player.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: You know, no matter who it is, if they shoot
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: and miss the first three shots, they're going, damn. I
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: need a layup.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: And sometimes, same with the quarterback. When in doubt, you're
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: calling the plays over there. And whichever team you're talking
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: about doesn't matter. And you can see whatever with the quarterback.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: It's pretty easy to see. Throw a couple screens. Throw
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: some short passes. And, you know, for a quarterback, that's
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: as good as throwing it 50 yards down the field.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Now you're in the rhythm. You feel confident. And you
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: think better, too. No doubt about it.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Listen, you're an all-time New York Giant. I know you
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: still love the New York Giants.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Put us there. When Jackson Dart goes down, what is
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Phil Simms thinking? What is he saying?
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Man, I shouldn't be such a fan of the Giants.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, because you get wrapped up
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: in it. Seeing him play last year, Jackson Dart, man,
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: I just thought this could be the year. You know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: really deep down, I kind of thought, you know, he–
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: if they kind of hang in there a few games
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: and win a few things, he's the kind of guy
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: that could be in the world of, is he the MVP? Well,
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: the Giants, he probably most likely would have been. But, man,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I walked out of the room when
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: it happened.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: And it turned out to be about exactly what I
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: thought it would. When I saw the hit, I went, man,
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: that was in a tough spot. And we'll see where
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: it goes from there. But very, very disappointed. I'm really–
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know about you guys. I haven't heard. I
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: keep looking, and I don't want to call somebody from
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: the Giants. But what quarterback are they looking to get?
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: And this would– I would say this to any roster,
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: any coach right now. Is your third quarterback good enough
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: to win a game for you? Because that's what you need.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: And they go, well, no, we like our starter and
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: our backup. Okay, your starter gets hurt. Now who's your backup?
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: So the league, the quarterbacks getting hurt. Pat Kerwin said
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: this years ago. We used to talk about it at
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: CBS in the mornings on Sunday. And he would just go,
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: I don't understand why teams don't have four quarterbacks somewhere
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: on their team. And I have said it a thousand
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: times since. Not that anybody listens to me, but you
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: can train those four quarterbacks. You can kind of get
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: them ready. So when the starter, if he does get unfortunate,
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: gets nicked or hurt, then you don't worry so much
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: about the backup, which most of these teams now, starter
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: gets hurt and they're like, oh, my God, we got
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: to play the backup?
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Right, yes.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Look, I don't get it. I really don't.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: No, Phil, it's a great point.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: A lot of good facts out there. Take advantage of it.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: No, Phil, it's such a great point, and no one
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: has more experience with this than you because you went
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: down your second Super Bowl.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: You went down that year. You were having an MVP season.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: You went down that year. Were you worried when Jeff
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Hostetler came in? No, because you knew he was going
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: to take care of it for you, right?
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you know, situations like that when you're 10-0,
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: And you're playing and you think, man, we're pretty good.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: That team was so different from the one in 86,
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: the second one.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Because it was just bludgeoning people to death. You're right.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, it was like run it, run it. There's
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: a pass. It's wide open. And we played some of
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: the most boring games you could ever have in that year.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: We would run it, beat the clock up. We're playing
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Dan Marino, the high-flying Dolphins, and Coach Parcells is just,
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: you could see, and he goes, you know, Sims, we
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: got to do this. So we ran the ball. and
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: I think we held it for like 16 plays in
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: our opening drive, killed half of the first quarter. And
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: I'm walking out Dan Marino, I think goes three and out.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: I'm walking back out in the field and Parcells goes,
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: Hey Sims. And I know what he's going to say.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: And I said, yeah, what? He takes his finger and
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: he shoots his wristwatch. I said, yeah, I know. I'm
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: going to milk the clock.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: I got it.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: We got to do what we got to do to
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: keep Dan Marino off the field.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: He wanted his quarterback on the field. Go ahead, Mikey.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Phil, is there enough talent in the NFL for every
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: team to have three quarterbacks where you feel like the third.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: One can win you a game? That's a good question.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, I think there is. And if they can't
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: win you the game, then you're a bad judgment of talent.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: And maybe it's your offense that stinks, and that's why
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: they're not doing better. I don't know. So there's a
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: little bit of that, I think, in the NFL. But, yeah,
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: there's enough. Hey, look, there could be– I'm not saying
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: there's going to be five first-rounders this year. I think
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: that quarterback class is going to back up a little
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: as we go. But there's probably 15 to 20 quarterbacks
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: playing in college right now that have NFL talent. And
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: it's going to keep coming as much or more in
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: the future because everybody wants to be a quarterback. And
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: I teach quarterbacks during the offseason. And some days you
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: can be over there. Well, there's a field close to
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: me where we throw. And there could be 15 quarterbacks. And,
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: you know, most of them are young and early in
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: high school or whatever in high school. And you go, damn,
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: this kid, if he kind of keeps going forward and
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: has a good– he could be a pro. I mean,
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: there are so many kids that can really throw– and
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: are really into it because it's the position everybody wants
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: to play.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: You know, Phil, I thought the Giants were fine at
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: the backup quarterback position. I would say if you ranked them,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the backups, before the season started, Jameis would be top
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: five for everyone, but he was so disappointing against the Rams.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: That was tough to see. It was tough to watch.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think he'll redeem himself here. You know,
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: Jameis has had great success at times in the NFL. And,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: you know, he was really good in practice and scrimmages
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: and preseason games this year.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: So he got– listen, you're talking about getting– it's almost
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: like back when I was playing, let's say, in 1985.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: and I'm the backup quarterback. Somebody gets hurt, and they go,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: I got to go in and play against the damn
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Chicago Bears? That defense? And that's kind of what happened
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: to Jameis. The Rams, when he came in, they emptied
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: the bucket. They started playing, and I'm sure the Giants
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: thought that the Rams would play them like they played
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: the 49ers, and they didn't. They used those corners. They
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: played a lot of man-to-man. They were extremely aggressive. And
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: that's probably the worst thing that could have happened to Jameis.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: I'll be really surprised, guys, if he doesn't redeem himself.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: And his personality, his talent, you know, he's a– you
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: ever been around him? He's a big damn dude.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: No, I haven't. No, but we love him. Yes, this
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: show loves Jameis Winston.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: And he can really still throw the ball. You know,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: I watched it so much during training camp and everything.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: I would have– Jameis, you're right. He would have been
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: a top five backup in the NFL after what I
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: saw in the preseason.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: Phil, John Harbaugh is a head coach who's intentional with
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: everything he says. So when he says that Dart is
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: out for the regular season, it's him implying that he
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: could be back in time for the postseason. But if
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: the Giants make it to the postseason, it feels like
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: you can't go back to Dart if that quarterback, your
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: backup quarterback got you to the postseason. What would you
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: do there?
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. I think it's just something you say. I
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: can't imagine being a head coach and losing the quarterback
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: who you really were surprised about his talent, how good
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: it is, and he's great to work with. But, yes,
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: I'll just say this. If they make it to the playoffs,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Jackson Dart will not be the starter of that football team.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: Unless he's practicing and, you know, maybe they give him,
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: if it works, where he's back on the field for three,
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: four weeks of practice. And then maybe the last game
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: of the year, if he plays well there, maybe that scenario.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: But I don't see it happening.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Phil, who is playing quarterback better than anyone else in
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: the league right now?
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Is it Josh Allen?
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's... It's pretty good. That's all I can say.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Mahomes is pretty good, too.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: But I'm just wondering who you think is the best
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL right now.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, who I think the best? Yeah, I would say
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: right now it's Josh Allen. I never really think about
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: ranking them. I know my son does that a lot,
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: but I don't.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: You should do it.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: It'd be great.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I don't care. People can, you know, say
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: whatever they want about me. Like, you're going to hurt
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: my feelings?
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay, good luck on that.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: You want to argue about what I'm doing? Let's go
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: for it.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Let's see how you do. Yeah. He's smiling.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: I just said something to somebody. Well, whatever. I say
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: it because I know it. I watch the quarterbacks. I'll
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: tell you who's playing really, really incredibly good. Drew Locke. Yes.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Yes. You love the backups.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Yes. Oh, man. No, he's made so many good throws.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Off balance, people all over him, completing the pass, moving,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: whatever it is. Man, when he came in in that
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: game against New England, I think he threw 24 passes
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: or something like that. And I'm the guy that sits
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: there and writes, number one, there's his throw. Do I
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: check plus? And I do it. And when I got done,
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: the grade on him for me was 100%. Wow. He
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: did not make a bad read, a bad throw. And
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: he made some special throws. And he put it in
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: places where only his guy could get it done. And
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: when he was with the Giants, I stood behind him
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: one day at practice. And, you know, I couldn't get
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: over it. I said, God, he's so big. I didn't
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: know he was this damn big. And he's throwing the ball,
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: and I just go, oh, my God, he's got a really,
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: really good arm. Right. Really good. And he's going to
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: find a place. Somebody's going to start him next year.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: It won't be probably the Seattle Seahawks, but somebody's going
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: to come in and get it. But, yeah, and I
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: remember asking somebody, I said, man, I'm really– surprised by
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: drew lock i didn't know he was this talented and
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: they go oh yeah but he don't know how to
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: play and that was the end of his career with
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: the johns as he's sitting out there i know he's
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: a very likable guy he knows how to be the
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: quarterback you know his personality and all that i'm sure
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: he's having a few good laughs going yeah how's everybody
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: like me now okay so you know Got to be careful.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: People like, oh, who's your top quarterbacks? Well, usually the
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: top quarterbacks, I know they're part of it, but they're
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: playing on a team that's winning a lot of games. Yes.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: And then, you know, sometimes I hear, you know, and
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: I get aggravated about everything. But I hear people say, oh,
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: he's not playing well. And I go, well, of course
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: he's not. Because they can't protect. I hate their system.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: The receivers, there's no good ones. But you expect him
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: to play well. Well, tell me about his stupid-ass quarterback rating.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Phil, I feel like that's the perfect lead-in to this question.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: Because through two weeks, the Chargers have been one of
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: the biggest disappointments in the NFL. And it's led to
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: Justin Herbert being this polarizing quarterback where you have one
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: camp where everybody thinks he's overrated and the other that
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: is just making more excuses for him. Where are you
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: kind of at with Justin Herbert this season?
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Well, I ain't going to make no excuses for him.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: You know, listen, all you got to do is watch
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: the games. It kind of tells you. He's got to
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: throw these incredible passes to get the damn ball completed.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: And taking hits and making some of these throws. Look,
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: I watch him and I do like him. I'll ask
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: you this. If we rank the quarterbacks, in other words,
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: where would you put him if you had to play
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: him on your team? And you know what the NFL
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: would do? He'd be picked a lot higher than all
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: the fans and the media and everything has him.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: So they're in a tough spot.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I'm.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: Literally surprised by it because I thought with the new
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: offensive coordinator that would change everything and make it easier
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: on Justin Herbert. So it's a long way to go.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: We'll see if they can fix it. But, man, I
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: watched these first two games, and he's making throws that
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: only two or three guys in the league can make.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: So people don't want to hear that. That's tough. Then
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: don't ask me because I'm not.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Tracking down the throw. Wait, so we've been killing Josh Allen.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen, he completes the percentage. It's what? It's crazy.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Wait, so you're saying, because we've been crushing Justin Herbert,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: you're saying that you love Justin Herbert, that there are
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: maybe a handful of quarterbacks that could physically do.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: What Justin Herbert does on a football field.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: He has to win, though, Phil. I mean, just a
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: little bit, you know.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Hey, oh, you're right. They lose only because of him.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Come on.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: What's the damn game? What happens when he moves and
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: just gets slaughtered and he's throwing about 30 yards down
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: the field right on target and then the receiver drops
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: the damn thing? Right. So I don't know. I'm not making–
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: I don't want to sound like I'm making excuses. Yeah,
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: he needs to play better. He's got to be extremely careful.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: That's the other thing. Even though he's capable of doing anything–
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: You can't think that way. You've got to be methodical.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: You've got to really protect not turning the ball over
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: because you're 0-2. And you know what, coaches? Come on.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Let's go. Help it out. They've got enough talent where
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: they can be a playoff team, but they're not. I
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: would never look at them and go, wow, they could
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: get hot and be a Super Bowl contender.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: That's not going to happen.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Phil, how do you feel? I know you're a giant.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: You're a giant for life.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: You're you know, you're trained not to say anything positive
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: about a Philadelphia Eagle. But I am wondering here, how
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: do you feel? Because I don't think he gets enough credit.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: All the guy does, it doesn't matter who the wide
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: receivers are, A.J. Brown's off to New England. The guy
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: just wins football games, Phil. That's it, and that's the
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: point of the game, isn't it?
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, okay, he's the wrong thing. You know,
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: he just does what he's supposed to do, win the game. Okay,
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: I give him credit for that. But, you know, they
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: were loaded. And here's the thing, too, watching these two
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: games for him this year. I admit, he's finally– throws
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: and his motion and all that is kind of coming
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: together and it's it's no doubt the what they're doing
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: they didn't know oh what do you want us to
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: do no they just here's what we're going to do
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: and you got to do it yes and had these
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: problems in the previous years i think and he's off
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: to a really good start uh throwing the ball better
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: than i've seen him throw it and uh When he
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: was in Philadelphia, under the other staff with the coordinators, man,
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: they ran like four plays every week, the same damn ones.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: And I was like, God, is this him or is
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: it the coaches? And it was a little of both.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Phil, we love you. I'm sorry to keep this a
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: bit shorter today, but we do have to run. I
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: would like to spend more time with you. Stop getting
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: so aggravated. I mean, just smile when someone says something
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: to you, Phil.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, who cares? You know, you're enjoying life. You're
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: the big winner in life, Phil. You're a big fucker.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: Hey, I love this. I love the fact that I
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: can sit back and listen to a lot of people.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: And I really, every week, I just go, man, you know,
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: I'm going to just say his name because this is
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: just bull crap. I'm so sick of listening to him
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: talk about, oh, this is all her, you know. Shit.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: Come on.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Shit.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Watch the games. Judge the person. And, okay, do that.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: Don't just go, oh, he only completed 11 out of 17.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Do you guys feel like Phil's talking to me? Because
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I gas bag on quarterbacks without watching the game.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Yes, you do.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, no.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to everybody. I mean, man,
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: you know, when I give a speech, I rip a
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: lot of people. So there you go.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: All right, get out of here.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: Enjoy your weekend. Keep me on for a couple minutes.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Push me away.