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James Spence: Rolo Tomassi | Furnace Fest 2025 Series · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

• 0:13
  Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, today we've got James from Rolo Tamasi. You
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  Speaker 1: guys actually have probably become one of my most listened
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  Speaker 1: to bands over the last maybe two or three years.
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  Speaker 1: What's funny to me is, you know, you guys have
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  Speaker 1: been around for a while, and for whatever reason, I
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  Speaker 1: genuine like, I feel like I'm pretty knowledgeable. Even if
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  Speaker 1: there's bands I'm not like the biggest fan of or
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  Speaker 1: just don't listen to. I feel like any like heavy
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  Speaker 1: band that has had any sort of like little bit
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  Speaker 1: of success over the last like fifteen twenty years, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like I've at least heard of that, And for
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  Speaker 1: whatever reason, up until like two or three years ago,
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  Speaker 1: I genuinely had no idea that you all ever existed.
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  Speaker 1: But there was a tweet that went I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if it would we would say it viral, but like,
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  Speaker 1: there was a tweet that came up that that had
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  Speaker 1: a video of you all probably back in the MySpace days,
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  Speaker 1: like it would probably been one of you guys first years.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it looks it looks like I could
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  Speaker 1: be wrong. It looks like you're playing in like a
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  Speaker 1: hot topic and you all literally look like middle schoolers.
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  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, Eva's voice just like
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  Speaker 1: just goes, you know, the way she's able to scream,
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  Speaker 1: and You're like, wait, how how is that voice able
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  Speaker 1: to come out of that like almost looks like a
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  Speaker 1: middle school or body and you just all like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: dress you dressed the part of like you know, two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and seven or whenever that was. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but whatever, For whatever reason, I saw that video and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is just the most amazing, like two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and seven video I've ever seen in my life.
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  Speaker 1: I need to like find out more about this band.
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  Speaker 1: So I started digging into you guys' discography and then
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  Speaker 1: realizing like, oh my god, like you guys just like
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  Speaker 1: every album just felt like a got a little better
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  Speaker 1: and a little better. And I'm like, how did I
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  Speaker 1: miss you all? I I just don't know how. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: with that said, like over the last two or three years,
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  Speaker 1: you guys have become one of my most listened to
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  Speaker 1: bands on Spotify, and I'm just a huge, huge fan
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  Speaker 1: at this point. So I don't know if you know
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  Speaker 1: what video I'm talking about, of course I do. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's it just is so cool to me. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's it's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's really strange because that video, I guess, like
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  Speaker 2: you said, it's not didn't necessarily go viral, but it
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  Speaker 2: definitely has like had a bit of a moment in
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  Speaker 2: the last few years, and it seems that over the
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  Speaker 2: last few years, every six months, someone else will find it,
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  Speaker 2: whether that's like a mean page or something and repost
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  Speaker 2: it like with a different kind of like funny caption.
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  Speaker 2: But the cool thing for us is it seems to
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  Speaker 2: actually be reaching people that want to hear it. It's
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  Speaker 2: not just like people that are watching it being like
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  Speaker 2: ha ha, that's like funny, how ridiculous. It's like people
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  Speaker 2: that want to dig in and kind of take something
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  Speaker 2: from it. But like you said, it is for me
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  Speaker 2: seeing an now it's this bizarre time capsule like something
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  Speaker 2: that was probably like eighteen years ago, and it's so
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  Speaker 2: it's so dated from like how we're dressed, like how
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  Speaker 2: we look, how the band sounds.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that it's in a hot topic like that.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So it was it was in a vintage clothes
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  Speaker 2: store in London called Beyond Retro, which is still there.
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  Speaker 2: I think I can't remember which branch it was that
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  Speaker 2: there's a few of them, and they used to do
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  Speaker 2: free shows on Saturday, like a matinee. You would, like
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  Speaker 2: bands would get invited to play, and the person that
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  Speaker 2: was booking it was like really into heavy music, so
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  Speaker 2: like every Saturday it would be like really heavy interesting
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  Speaker 2: bands that would go and play, and the bands would
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  Speaker 2: get paid in clothes. So like we got no money
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  Speaker 2: for it, but we we all got like to pick
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  Speaker 2: out like a certain amount of like you know, money
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  Speaker 2: values worth of clothes, which again is just so funny
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  Speaker 2: thinking back to it. But I think in time we've
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  Speaker 2: kind of like reaped the benefits of maybe not having
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  Speaker 2: any sort of financial compensation for the show at the
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  Speaker 2: time by the fact that it's just got such incredible
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  Speaker 2: mileage and is still reaching people now. So yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: like it's a cool thing. Like, you know, I don't
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  Speaker 2: mind that it's doing what it's doing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, didn't close. I gotta imagine that I got
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  Speaker 3: to imagine that those clothes are probably the most influential
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  Speaker 3: set of clothes you've probably ever worn, even if you
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you never actually wore it on stage, right, well.
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  Speaker 2: This is it, and I mean, you know, you can
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  Speaker 2: see how badly we're dressed in the video. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: you can only imagine how horrendous it was what we
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  Speaker 2: kicked out. So yeah, it's not not in rotation anymore anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, good.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all should like, you know, maybe maybe it could be
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  Speaker 1: furnace Fest, but like you guys should just like dress
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  Speaker 1: up like that again, like just total look for a
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  Speaker 1: show and just go all in, go all in and
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  Speaker 1: try to almost like recreate that video.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we've been we've been relearning that song so
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  Speaker 2: this this year is it's our twentieth anniversary of being
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  Speaker 2: a band was last month, and we're kind of like
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  Speaker 2: for some of the shows we're doing in the UK,
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  Speaker 2: we've been kind of diving back into the archives. We've
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  Speaker 2: not played that song like at least for fifteen or
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  Speaker 2: sixteen years. There are members in the band now who
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  Speaker 2: joined like after we stopped playing that song who have
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  Speaker 2: no idea how to play it. But we've been relearning
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  Speaker 2: it because it was just like it seems to be
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  Speaker 2: this thing that's just reached so many people, and we
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  Speaker 2: want to do like a set that is I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: just kind of demonstrative of the the way that the
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  Speaker 2: band has changed over time basically, and we were kind
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  Speaker 2: of like, well, we've got to learn that because I
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  Speaker 2: think a lot of people have sort of that might
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  Speaker 2: have been their entry point, or at least it's going
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  Speaker 2: to sort of resonate with people. So we're not quite
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  Speaker 2: there yet. Everyone's kind of learning it in their own
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  Speaker 2: time and will come together and try and play it.
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  Speaker 2: But it's so different to the current material that, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's been a bit of an ask, Like the muscle
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  Speaker 2: memory's totally gone for me, Like I had to really
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  Speaker 2: like ask for the stems for the guy that produced
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  Speaker 2: the record, and it was a miracle that he had
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  Speaker 2: the track separate because you know, again, this was something
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  Speaker 2: we recorded probably two thousand and seven, and he did,
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  Speaker 2: which was great. So I've kind of just been very
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  Speaker 2: slowly piecing it together. But I can just about play
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  Speaker 2: it on my own, but ye, we'll see about playing
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  Speaker 2: it as a group.
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  Speaker 3: What a what a wonderful little piece of amnesia. I
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  Speaker 3: think I remember out of a similar story, except it
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  Speaker 3: happened the next day that they forgot it. You two
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  Speaker 3: I think recorded Joshua Tree, most of Joshua Tree in
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  Speaker 3: one in one day, but they were all drunk off
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  Speaker 3: their ass and I couldn't remember how to play it
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  Speaker 3: the next day and they had to like spend like
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  Speaker 3: the next month trying to remember how to or figure
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  Speaker 3: out how to play all the parts.
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  Speaker 2: Again. Wow, I mean, yeah, we were drunk at the time,
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  Speaker 2: but I think eighteen years of drinking since the recording
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  Speaker 2: is probably contribute.
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  Speaker 3: Into the little residual, do you.
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  Speaker 2: Know what I mean? Yeah, Yeah, it's over time, it's
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  Speaker 2: all bought and page four.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine. So well, that was, you know, fairly
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  Speaker 1: early on in you guys' history. Yeah, I love to
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  Speaker 1: just hear like how the band formed for you all.
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  Speaker 2: So the band formed, it would have been around two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and five. Everyone was aged between fourteen and sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: We were still at school. We were a group of
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  Speaker 2: like just very enthusiastic teenagers who loved music, and we
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  Speaker 2: started just getting into heavier music, having sort of been
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  Speaker 2: into like I guess fairly like entry level punk music.
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  Speaker 2: And it was kind of a time when everyone was
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  Speaker 2: sort of just discovering things and sharing things, and I
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  Speaker 2: think we all sort of got into slightly different strains
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  Speaker 2: of like heavier kind of next step on in music
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  Speaker 2: and kind of wanted to do something that sounded like
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  Speaker 2: that that was a bit more aggressive and chaotic and
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  Speaker 2: just more reflective of what what we thought was exciting. Really,
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  Speaker 2: And we'd played in a couple of bands even before that,
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  Speaker 2: like for a couple of years, and that was kind
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  Speaker 2: of like bands doing like Green Day and the Living
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  Speaker 2: End covers and just people like just learning how to
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  Speaker 2: play instruments with a group of people. Basically, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: necessarily call it being in a band. It was learning
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  Speaker 2: how to play an instrument. But we would do shows
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  Speaker 2: locally for our friends. That was like bars that I mean,
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  Speaker 2: looking back on it now, I've got no idea why
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  Speaker 2: we were allowed to be in them as people that
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  Speaker 2: were like fourteen and fifteen, and like most of them
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  Speaker 2: have closed, and it's kind of, yeah, that stands to
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  Speaker 2: reason now. But yeah, so we had we'd had experience
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  Speaker 2: playing lives, so we kind of knew how to put
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  Speaker 2: a show on to like some shoddy degree. So we
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  Speaker 2: formed this band and yeah, just started putting on shows.
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  Speaker 2: And I think you touched on it earlier, Like we
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  Speaker 2: were very fortunate. This was around sort of the advent
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  Speaker 2: of MySpace, and we immediately had this platform that we
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  Speaker 2: were able to sort of reach people and find kind
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  Speaker 2: of like light minded people outside of Sheffield, the town
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  Speaker 2: that we grew up in and were based at the time,
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  Speaker 2: and we were able to kind of have a showcase
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  Speaker 2: for our music and people were able to find it
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  Speaker 2: and contact us, and we were just yes, self book
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  Speaker 2: kind of I wouldn't even call them tours now, but
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  Speaker 2: like runs of shows locally, Like we were quite lucky
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  Speaker 2: where where we were from there were a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: like bigger towns with sort of stronger local music scenes
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  Speaker 2: within like a couple of hours drive, so we just
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  Speaker 2: played as much as we could and just I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's one of those things looking back and now
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  Speaker 2: it's really easy to be like, well, yeah, just snowballs
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  Speaker 2: and we recorded six records and towards the world, but like,
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  Speaker 2: it honestly felt so organic and natural, and I'm probably
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: sort of like missing out a lot just because of
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: memory and nostalgia or whatever. But yeah, like we kind
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  Speaker 2: of started with sort of just very pure reasons of
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  Speaker 2: just being people that liked music, and we were just
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  Speaker 2: able to kind of, yeah, carve out a niche and
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  Speaker 2: find the people that wanted to listen to it. And
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of relentless persistence in that and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of sort of failed experiments and low points as
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: well as high points. But yeah, that's kind of the
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  Speaker 2: early years anyway.
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  Speaker 3: What really strikes me is that, I mean, you guys
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  Speaker 3: had an incredible sense of understanding of your instruments even
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  Speaker 3: early on, and I mean it's only evolved as time
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  Speaker 3: has gone on, But I mean for people being fourteen, fifteen,
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  Speaker 3: sixteen years old and playing like that, it seems much much,
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  Speaker 3: much more mature. Like if I think about like my
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: high school days, Mason and nice high school days, you
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  Speaker 3: guys would have been like the one smoking cigarettes well
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  Speaker 3: well before anyone else and drinking at somebody's garage or
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  Speaker 3: something like that, and just having some sort of extra
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  Speaker 3: musical knowledge by I don't know, were you guys classically
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  Speaker 3: trained and stuff like that as well.
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  Speaker 2: Or yeah, a few of us were. I think we
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  Speaker 2: were really lucky at the time, so that the group
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  Speaker 2: of people that started the band, Joe, who was the
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  Speaker 2: original guitarist who played in the band for like five
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  Speaker 2: or six years, he was like phenomenal, just a complete freak,
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  Speaker 2: and the rest of us had to keep up with
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  Speaker 2: him basically and improve to kind of meet him even
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  Speaker 2: at half of his standard and being in a band
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  Speaker 2: with him. It it changed my understanding of music and
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  Speaker 2: playing music with other people. And I think it's just
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  Speaker 2: one of those things. And I think a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people that playing bands would say this. It's just a
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  Speaker 2: complete look of the draw that we met each other
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  Speaker 2: and that we were in the same year at school
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  Speaker 2: and got into the same thing, and that our path acrossed.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, he was like a classically trained guitarist, and
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  Speaker 2: I think for him he was he was more into
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  Speaker 2: like that side of it and was like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a classical kind of acoustic guitar, and he was his
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: approach to heavy music was different because of that, Like
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  Speaker 2: he would get into certain other heavy bands because of
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  Speaker 2: the way that, yeah, and he would be bringing different
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  Speaker 2: influences to rehearsals and more into kind of the prog stuff,
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  Speaker 2: where I was myself and our drummer were kind of
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  Speaker 2: more typically into like punk hardcore, post hardcore metal core
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  Speaker 2: stuff that was like more our bag. And I think
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  Speaker 2: it was where those kind of two worlds sort of
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  Speaker 2: met that led to a sound in the way that
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  Speaker 2: we did. But yeah, honestly, I would put a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the early stuff down to Joe, who was the
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  Speaker 2: original guitarist, just because it was he was writing like
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  Speaker 2: the bulk of it at the time, and like I said,
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  Speaker 2: he was just so good that the rest of us
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  Speaker 2: had to like really keep up pace to yeah, to
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  Speaker 2: even be able to play along with him. It was
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  Speaker 2: it was really cool, like it made me a better musician.
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  Speaker 1: So he was the one that was like kind of
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  Speaker 1: the influence on a lot of especially in that first album,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of jazzy mathy elements, and I'm guessing
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  Speaker 1: that was all him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the kind of sort of noisier like ambient,
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  Speaker 2: big open spaces, and like obviously keyboard parts on the
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  Speaker 2: keyboard player in the band. That was definitely my contribution
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  Speaker 2: to it. And I think it was the mixture of
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  Speaker 2: those two things that definitely was maybe what made our
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  Speaker 2: bands stand out a little bit, Like there's a there's
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of bands that kind of do the the
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  Speaker 2: Matthew technical jazzy thing, maybe not as young as we
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  Speaker 2: were at the time, obviously, but I think it was
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  Speaker 2: the other elements of everything kind of coming together that
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  Speaker 2: sort of made what we did a bit more unique.
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  Speaker 1: At what point did you realize that you, like, especially
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  Speaker 1: with Eva, like, at what point did you realize that
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  Speaker 1: she was truly special? Because I mean, I will, like
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  Speaker 1: I will definitively say she's probably one of the greatest
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  Speaker 1: metal screamers and just like generally singers I've ever heard,
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  Speaker 1: and like I'm sure early on you all knew like
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  Speaker 1: like we can't just let her, like we got to
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  Speaker 1: make sure that like she's like like we're highlighting her
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  Speaker 1: vocals because she really truly is next level special talent.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it was only really like probably
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  Speaker 2: three albums in that I think that she really found
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  Speaker 2: her voice, and especially with the singing, but again that
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: kind of change that came with a change of personnel
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  Speaker 2: and the change of the material and like giving her,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, just giving her space to sing and
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  Speaker 2: so like really sort of highlight both. I mean I
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  Speaker 2: think like, again, we were so young. I always thought
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  Speaker 2: we were good, and like I was like so cocky
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  Speaker 2: and confident, and and I think it was like it
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  Speaker 2: was the kind of thing, that kind of bravado that
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: comes from being that young and kind of almost being
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: a bit more bulletproof because like maybe when you're sort
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: of in your mid twenties, you're a little bit more.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I think you care a bit about
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  Speaker 2: more about what people say and what people think about you.
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  Speaker 2: And I think when you're that age, things just bounced
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  Speaker 2: off of you a lot more. And we would we
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  Speaker 2: would be turning up and playing certain shows with like
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  Speaker 2: people that were ten fifteen years older than us and
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  Speaker 2: just like being so yeah. I remember just feeling so
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  Speaker 2: cocky about it and just being like, yeah, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to go and do our thing, and like I don't
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: care what anyone thinks or whatever. And I think I
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  Speaker 2: had that kind of confidence because I believed so much
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  Speaker 2: in everyone that I was playing in the band with,
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  Speaker 2: and like I loved so much what we were doing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to sound like it's necessarily just an
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  Speaker 2: arrogance thing. I think it was more because we were
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  Speaker 2: kind of Whenever people wrote about us early on, it
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: was like very much, Oh, they're so young their kids,
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  Speaker 2: they're so young their kids, And I think that was like, no,
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  Speaker 2: like we belong here as well, like don't treat as
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  Speaker 2: any differently, like and yeah, I think just seeing the
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  Speaker 2: reaction that she got, and also like I suppose when
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: you're in it at the time. You know, I'm not
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: looking at either and being like, oh, it's a tiny
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  Speaker 2: sixteen year old girl. It's like, what's my sister? Like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't look weird to me because I've
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  Speaker 2: always been in a band with her, and like, I
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: know who she is, and to me, it's not weird
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: that she can do it. Like I was, you know,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: very sort of like yeah, happy and impressed, and I
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: think what she contributes is awesome. But I think when
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: you've kind of been around, Yeah, to me, it's always
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: just felt like normal, like yeah, I don't know any different. Like,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: you know, I've been playing in a band with her
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  Speaker 2: forever and even before then, she's always been in my life,
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, I think I just back her.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I feel like I feel like your
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: Guys' run has been so intriguing because it has developed
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  Speaker 4: in so so many different ways that those first couple
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  Speaker 4: of records I would agree.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, just like you're saying it, they sound cocky,
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: like I don't think it's just you. I think it
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: actually comes through in the records, and as time goes on,
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: it feels like it actually backs off a little bit more.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: It allows much more space to breathe in every instrument
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: really and and all of you are highlighted. It's not
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: just Eva, it's it's everybody. And I'm really, really a
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: big fan of where you guys have taken things in
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: this this these newer records especially are Man, I can't
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: step listening to them myself because it does feel like
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: it's a full experience.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Thanks very much. Yeah, I think we kind of reached
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: a point with the sound where it was like, and
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: I feel like this about technical music in general. It's
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of the time it's like it's impressive, but
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: after being impressive, it can kind of leave you a
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: bit cold, and it's not necessarily something you want to
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: go back to. And like I can watch someone play
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: guitar and be like, wow, you're a great guitarist. But like,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: if it's not doing anything, if it's not speaking to me,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: if something can you feel anything, then it like yeah,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: well done. Like I don't know. And I kind of
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: started to feel like that about certain elements of what
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: we were doing, and that like it was it was
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: really really cool that it kind of established us as
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: a band, and it was this thing that kind of
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: made us stand out and made people pay attention ultimately,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: and maybe like gained as an audience to begin with.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: But I think as I was kind of growing up
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: while I was in the band and my tastes were changing, like,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I always wanted the music that we were making to
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: be reflective of what I was into and to be
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: doing something that I felt passionate about. So I mean,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: just for the most part, so it didn't come across
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: as being disingenuous, because I don't think you can make
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: music like this unless just kind of well into it
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: and like you believe what you're like what you're putting out. Really,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: so for me, like, yeah, it's been the last three
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: records the ones that I'm most proud of. Definitely, I
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: think that the most reflective of my tastes, and I
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: think they kind of came the closest to how I
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: wanted the band to sound for the last however amount
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: of time. And yeah, I mean, I'm glad to hear
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: that it's kind of resonating with you as well. It's like,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: it's it's what I like the most about doing it.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: It's the material that we play the most. But at
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: the same time, I don't just want to sort of
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: completely dismiss what happened early on because it was Yeah,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: it was what kind of later foundations what we were
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: able to do now absolutely for sure.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say I think you guys have just
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: aged like fine wine. To be honest, I just I
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: actually really do appreciate the way you all started out
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: with that kind of sound and style, but the direction
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: that you guys have all gone, especially over the last
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: couple of albums, I'm like, this is such a great
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: kind of growth, or at least I see it as
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: like a total growth in your musician musicianship.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Thanks very much, And I think like that's that's quite
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: a nice thing as well, with being a band that
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: has I guess stuck it out in around a little
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: bit longer. I think that our audience is kind of,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: in a lot of instances aged to the same, you know,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: at the same rate that we are, and their taste
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: of change the same kind of way that ours has.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: And yeah, it's good to sort of feel that we're
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: making something that is it has relevance in people's lives
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: and that it does kind of it hits the mark
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: in that way. I mean, I think we would do
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: it regardless as whether it was relevant for other people
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: or not because we like it so much, but it is,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't mind the validation. It's okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Something that's kind of interesting about y'all's history is, you
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: know a lot of bands that were maybe coming out
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: around that time, you know, mid to late two thousands
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: in that kind of heavy music scene. You know, at
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: some point maybe they like they went all in for
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: a few years and then kind of maybe like fizzled
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: out or they needed to take like a a hiatus
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: at some point. And what's interesting about you all is
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: it seems like pretty every consistently, like two or three years,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: there's just a new album and y'all tour a little bit,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: and it's just but there just feels like there's this
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: consistency to it that has and my projection or my
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: interpretation of that is that it seems pretty healthy, Like
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: you all are generally in a pretty healthy place over
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: the course of your history, and you haven't needed that like, okay,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: we need to like get away from each other at
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: certain points. I don't know, I'm just I'm curious, like
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: what your reflections are on that, because it does seem
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: like every two or three years we cann't expect like
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: a really great album and some touring on it, and
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: it just feels like it's something that's really sustainable for
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you all.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I think sustainable is kind of the key word. And
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I think we probably had like lineup changes exactly the
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: right moments where there may have been like one person
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: that wasn't kind of feeling it that sort of was
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: able to sort of step away, and we were able
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: to refresh the kind of personnel and the band in
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: a way that like brought exactly the right energy we
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: need to continue it. I think so much of wanting
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: to continue it is a constant belief that we can
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: we can make a better record than the previous one,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: or at least that we have something that we think
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: we can offer. And like you said, I think for
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: us it's always been paced quite nicely. I think we
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: never have felt the need to rush into the record
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: out because there's this like momentum that we kind of
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: need to keep up. I think at this point in
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: we have an established audience, and it's a relatively captive audience,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: and they're going to want to listen to what we
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: put out, and I know that they'll wait for it
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: at this point as well, like we don't have to
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: rush to get something out to sort of make sure
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: people don't forget about us. I also feel probably within
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: the last ten years at least most of us have
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: we have like established careers outside of the band, and
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: we've sort of it was kind of like a constant
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: battle to begin with to make sure that we can
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: make everything kind of work in harmony and that people
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: could have like a life and the band could be
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: part of that life but not come or consuming, and
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: that we were on tour ninementths a year or whatever.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: So I feel like we've sort of found this balance
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: where we tore a handful of times a year when
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: there's a record out, and then that might be like
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: two two and a half years, then we'll take a
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: bit of a break, we'll kind of regroup, see how
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: we feel. And everyone sort of is doing the band
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: because they they want to do it, not because they
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: need to do it. And I think it's a really
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: important distinction, and something that definitely causes some bands to
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: sort of fizzle out is that they need it, and
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: that might mean that they're kind of putting out albums
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: they're not happy with making decisions that are sort of
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: like business based and maybe not sensible ones, and we've
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: never been in that position, and maybe that's because there
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: was never really an option for us to go like
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: full time with it or whatever. But we find ourselves
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: in a nice position where we're able to come and
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: play shows in the US and play shows in the
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: UK and travel like globally if we want to, because
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: the option is there to do it. And that's like, yeah,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I don't take that for granted.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Basically, something I've always been curious about, especially in very
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: technical bands such as yourself, I feel like the songwriting
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: process has to be completely different than you know, if
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: you're a Green Day kind of band, where you know
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: it's three chords and you know a dust cloud behind you.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: This is a lot different, right and you have a
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: lot more moving parts and so many more layers. What
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: what would you think is a good way to explain
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: how the songwriting process works, maybe in comparison to you know,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: your your typical hardcore band, Let's say.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: I guess like with yes, so much of the songwriting
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: that is done out of the room, So like when
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: we kind of I think some bands would come together
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: and rehearse and they would I don't know, like jam
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: out an idea and it would sort of happen. Yeah,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: like on the spot, maybe someone would bring an idea
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: and then they would kind of play around with it.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I think so much of the writing that we have
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: to do is in isolation. Some like there'll be a
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: couple of people that kind of contribute the bulk of
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: the ideas that will form a song, and they might
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: work on that and really refine it to a point
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: where it's kind of at a stage when they're happy
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: for someone else, even within the band, to hear it,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: and then over time we will piece it together and
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: arrange the music together. Like I think we write ideas separately,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: we write music as a group in that everyone kind
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: of has their say in terms of the arrangements. But
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: there'll be like a lot of time where it'll be
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: either myself or Chris, our guitarists, who will be working
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: on music sort of independently. One other person might come
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: in and kind of write with them, and then when
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: we're sort of at a point where it feels like
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: there's enough material will then start arranging songs together. And
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I think that, yeah, some of that is down to
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: kind of the technic aspects of it. If you like
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: you're working on something that's in i don't know, like
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: a time signatship that someone's not really going to be
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: able to just jam along to, you kind of need
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: to like refine that a little bit at least until
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: it's at a point where you feel comfortable explaining what
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: it is. And sometimes that's easier to do with like
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: a demo that you've written on your own with program drums,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: and then ala drummer can then write his own drum
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: part that sort of at least allows him to kind
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: of like have creative license. I mean, I think maybe
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I've explained it in a bit of a cold way
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: that would suggest that it's like, oh, two of us
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: are bringing in ideas and everyone learns it's not. It's
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: not how it goes like. They'll sort of be like
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: a development of an idea, and then everyone will kind
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: of come in have their say on it, will kind
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: of change elements of it together. But but yeah, it
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: can be like a long process, a lot of demoing,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: a lot of like writing independently, a lot of sending
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: ideas back and forth. Because most of us live in
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: different towns, different parts of the UK now evens in
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: the US, So yeah, it can be quite like labored.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Get to a point where we're all going to be
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: in a room to be able to play things together.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: And again, I think we know that the time together
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: is so precious because it is hard together on stories
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: to match up and people have to travel, that we
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: have to have like an amount of prepared material to
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: work on rather than just being like, well let's get
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: together for three hours and see what happens, it just
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: wouldn't work. Yeah.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Sure has that changed then as time has gone on,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: especially with you guys separating out to different towns and
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: even different countries, Like iive you guys streamlined that process
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: more so that you can get down to work a
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: lot quicker.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I think so. Yeah. I mean like we've gotten a
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: lot more proactive with just recording like everything and a
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: lot of yeah, just making sure that like something is
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know, good enough to share with people, just
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: you're not wasting their time. I suppose, Like I think again,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: we've written so much together that most of us kind
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: of know in our heart of hearts if something is
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: good enough or is going to kind of make We've
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: always been quite good at like trimming the fat. And
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: you know, we're not the kind of band that we'll
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: go into a studio and record fifteen songs for a
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: ten track album. Like, if we're going into record ten songs,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: we've written ten songs because we've kind of done that
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: as we've been writing, Like we'll know when to give
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: up on something, like if it doesn't come together, it
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: like in a in a particular way, like, yeah, we know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: just to just completely abandon an idea. And I think
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: that is what you're saying. Maybe, yeah, it's not it's
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: not necessarily something I can articulate. It's more just like
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: when you hear something's not working, you know it's not working.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: I guess that that's something that comes with experience.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Sure makes sense.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Sort of speaking on the writing process here, is there
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: a moment in this band's history where you maybe feel
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the most proud of how you all wrote Maybe not
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: even maybe necessarily one particular song, but maybe even a
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: specific moment within a song, Like is there a moment
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: where you think, like when you think back to this
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: band and you're like, God, that like the way we
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: did that, the way we wrote that, the way we
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: crafted that, the way we developed that it is like,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: that's that's how I wish every moment felt like and
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I you know, obviously not every moment can feel like that,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm curious if there's like kind of this
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: sort of most proud moment that you have when it
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: comes to writing a particular even a particular part of
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: a song.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: There's two instances that I can think of. What was
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: on our most recent record, and it was the only
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: track almost always, and I'd written it in a way
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: that I thought was This was an instance when I'd
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: completely written a song on my own and we'd taken
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: it into the room and it just wasn't working, And like,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I was really happy with the demo, but the others
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: were just kind of like, why don't we try it
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: like this? And we completely deconstruct and again this kind
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: of goes against everything that I've just said to you,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: but we completely deconstructed it on the spot and we're like, okay,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: let's do this entire section without drums, and we kind
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: of like really really stripped back the first half of
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the song until it became something completely different. And it
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: was just one of those instances where I felt everyone
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: had their say on exactly what was going on, and
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: they like made an idea that I was happy with anyway,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: like probably my favorite song that we've written now, and
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: we took it into the studio and like afterwards, I
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: was like, when we had to finish thing, it was like, wow,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I cannot imagine this any other way. That is like
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: easily my favorite song that I've kind of been a
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: part of writing. And it was all because of this
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: instance where someone was like, let's try it this way,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: like and had the kind of I don't know it,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: it just felt super organic and it kind of came
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: together in a really really cool way that I can
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I can remember the rehearsal like as yeah, and that
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: was that was a few years ago now. But another instance,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: there's a song called a Flood of Light on Time
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: or Dine Love for Bury It, and again we just
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: that that song is actually kind of like I guess
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: it's relatively simplistic. There's like maybe four parts to it
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: and they repeat a lot, and it's more about the
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: dynamics in the way we kind of bring it up
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: and down. And again I remember we were rehearsing a
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: practice space in Brighton and there's a lot of different
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: rooms there, and it's the kind of place that you
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: can go and you can kind of just be walking
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: down the halls and there's so much different stuff going
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: on constantly, it's like very easy to kind of get
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: distracted and just you know, you're hearing an indie band
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: and there's like a jazz band somewhere, and it's just
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: like a lot of noise. But we were playing this
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: song and we were playing the sort of the big
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: open section at the end of it, and I remember
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: even then just thinking like I think, like we've we've
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: written something really really cool here. And we came out
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: and like one of the guys working on the desk
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: was just like with so many people asking like who
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: was rehearsing in there today, because like they loved what
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: they what they heard coming from it. And I remember
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: feeling so flattered and that just being like, Okay, cool,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I think we've like, yeah, there's something really really good
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: has happened today, and like, yeah, we did the song
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: like just didn't change it all. We recorded exactly exactly
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: how it was written the first time. And Yeah, it
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: felt really really special to kind of in like a
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: place where there's so much going on, like so much
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: music that a couple of few people had like walk
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: past and asked, like, who's that rehearsing? It's like, it
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: felt really nice.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: It seems like you're very intentional about what you like
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: and what you want to bring to the creative process.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: When you when you're thinking about the next songs, the
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: next the next place to find inspiration? You know, where
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: where are you digging in? Where where are you pulling out?
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Because I feel like as a as a keys guy, right,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: you're going to have a whole lot more freedom of
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: choice compared to you know, a drummer for instance. There's
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: just there's just so much more at your disposal in
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: terms of different textures you can use and everything. So
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: where do you where do you go to try to
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: find that that inspiration for where you want to take
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: things next.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: That's a good question, and I think it's one that
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of struggling with at the moment. But we so,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'll talk about the last record at least
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: to kind of give context for some new material that
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: we've already worked on. So, like a big feature of
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Where Myth Becomes Memory was the sort of very heavily
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: felted piano sounds on it, and that was something so
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: like we prepared a piano in that we put like
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: an extra layer of felt between the hammers and the strings,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: and we put mics on the hammers, so you kind
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: of get this like really sort of I don't know,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: like mechanical, and it kind of gives it gives the
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: piano like a lot of character and like really does
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: a lot to the dynamics. And that was like heavily
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: influenced by a lot of piano players, like a lot
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: of modern contemporary classical musicians like Youte Bathing Hanne or
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Annie Oliver Arnold's Nil Sprahm, And I, like, I listen
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: to a lot of keyboard and piano based music and
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: I wanted to try and bring that into what we
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: were doing with Rolo and make it work in a
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: way that was gonna sound cohesive on a record. And
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: it's definitely a bit of a challenge, like kind of
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: taking that to Lewis, who who produced the last three
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: records that we've done, and being like, I wanted pianos
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: to sound like this, but it's got to fit in
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: with the rest of the band, and it's like crazy
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: amount dynamics and we want it to be really heavy,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: but we also want it to be really gentle and
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: all of this, and like he was a complete wizard
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: and is able to kind of like see the finished
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: picture even before we can, which is great. Like you know,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: you need someone like that when when you're trying to
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: tie a lot of ideas together. So we finished that
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: record and like that was all good, and there's a
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: lot of really cool feedback about the way the piano sounds.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: But then to me it was like, well we did it,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Like we completed that sound, and like I want to
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: move forward with material and like I love playing piano,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: but like I can't do any of that again because
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: it feels like we took it to the sort of
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: nth degree and anything else would just sort of feel
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: like a bit I don't know, we were just recycling
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: the same ideas. So we've we have written and recorded
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: a new four track EP that's going to come out
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: later this year, and with that, it's super heavy. It's
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: super aggressive. I'd say, like the keys and the sense
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: are definitely sort of more like industrial kind of like
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: heavy electronics sort of thing. It kind of like night
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: and Day with regards to like a piano and I
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: think in terms of the way that we approached that,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: it was very much like what is the furthest away
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: from that we can get? In terms of at least
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: in terms of my contribution, was like, what is the
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: furthest away from that we can get? Like there's there's
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: maybe like there's one piano sound on there, but rather
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: than being the kind of very delicate, felted thing, it's
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: like a really crunchy, distorted piano with there was like
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know, filtered through this like amp preset on
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: the Nord that I used to make it super crunchy
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: and just sound far away from that because it is
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: just about, like like you said, like finding the next thing,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: and I think you have to sort of I don't know,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: like yeah, reflect on what you've done in order to
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: figure out what that next STEP's going to be. And
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: for us, it is always about sort of pushing onto
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: something different.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I love the idea of like having some sort of
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: industrial sound with with you know, with the sound that
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: you guys have already created, Like I love that layer.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I'm just like imagining what that could be right now.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: But that sounds super sick cool.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really I'm really happy with it. It's gonna like, yeah,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I think people are going to I hope people are
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: going to like check it out and be into it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: But we're very very proud of it.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, does it feel like something that like could eventually
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: turn into a whole album? You said that you've got
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: a four song EP that will be coming out. Does
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: it feel like something that could be extended into a
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: more fall Link project at some point?
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, definitely, Like I think we're we've always sort of
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: got one eye on more new material. I think the
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: plan is definitely. We've got these live commitments this year,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: which we're very excited about, Like we have firmus best.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: There's a couple of shows in the UK, we're doing
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: a festival in Canada and we've not been there before
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: and that's great. And I'm definitely sort of a point
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: where I'm kind of like trying to coming through like
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: ideas that I've had that haven't like made it onto
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: releases recently, and I'm not like there's when I go
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: back to the whole ideas, it's very much well, there's
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: a reason that you've not used this yet, right, Like
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: it couldn't kind of get to that point so I'm
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: just trying to like mine what's already there to see
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: if I kind of missed anything. Like I kind of
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: keep a lot of like handwritten notebooks, and I've just
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: been sort of like revisiting all of that just to
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: see what kind of gets me going. And there's like
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: a few things that I've kind of lifted out already
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: and been like, Okay, that's that's gonna be. That could
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: be pretty cool. And also as well, we just we
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: wrote a piece of music for a film, like for
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: a short film recently, and I think, yeah, that like
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: again has kind of like got everyone going creatively in
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: a way. That's like it's pretty good writing music together,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: isn't it. Like I think you kind of need those
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: like things sometimes because we didn't play a lot live
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: last year. So yeah, I think I can definitely see
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: in time there'll be an apple type of kind of
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: everyone to kind of get together and work on something
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: that's a bit more of like a full bodied project
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Sure, when you write, I got to ask about this
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: because it's kind of curious. We don't have a whole
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: lot of bands that come on writing music for a film.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Is that a completely different process? Like do they come
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: to you and say, hey, this is kind of what
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: we're aiming for. This is the kind of like build
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: up we want, or this is the kind of emotion
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: that's going to be in the scene. Or is it
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: something where they pick something out from your catalog and
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: they say, hey, we want we want something like this
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: for this scene.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: So in this like really specific instance that the person
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: that's directing and producing the film, he's like a really
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: old friend of ours. He's an Italian who lives in London.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: We met him on the tour that we did playing
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: in Italy like fifteen years ago, and we kind of
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: just stayed in contact and I'd seen him like a
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: handful of times over the last like five years or so,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: excuse me, and he he just reached out and was like,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I've been working on like some short films, Like I
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: knew he was making film, and he's like, and I've
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: had this idea that like the peak of this film
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: it's going to be like like basically a metal band.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: And it was sort of with this in mind, it
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: was very much can you write a conventional roller to
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: massy song for my film? Like I'm going to pick
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: these two out like I really like the energy of
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: these songs. Can you do something that sounds like this
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: and this? It wasn't necessarily creating like like original soundtrack
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff, and we weren't having to match what
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: you know, the emotion of a scene or whatever. It
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: was just like can you write song for the film,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: But still like it was very much you know, it's
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: got to be this amount of time, like it's got
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: a sort of peak here, And it was cool having
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: like a brief in that respect, but it was just
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: like writing one of our own songs ultimately, and we
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: just finished working on that yesterday, like in terms of
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: like the mixing and stuff, and like it looks it's
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: quite surreal because like he had to get actors in
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: that could play instruments to kind of play it, and
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: like we had to kind of like give them tabs
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: and stuff. And I think the really funny thing with
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: it was like it was filmed because it was filmed
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: to like a demo that we'd written with like program drums,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: and we saw like a cut of a bunch of
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: actors playing this song that we'd written before we even
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: played it together. Like it was like absolutely bizarre, Like yeah,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: it was just Chris and I that had like written
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: it together. We'd like kind of done all these parts,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: and yeah, there's like a drummer that could play it
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: before our drummer could, and like, yeah, just quite a
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: strange experience. But yeah, writing for film is something that
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: well all the TV or just soundtracks generally is something
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: that I've definitely I can see a future in that
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: for our band and for the kind of music that
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: we do, and it's something we definitely want to explore more.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: It was really really nice to have the first experience
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: doing it with a friend, and I'm kind of hoping
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: that it definitely sort of gives us a bit of
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: a platform to kind of build on with that in mind.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like you guys can be like the
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: the Magua of of the metal world.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that for sure. Yeah.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like every other year they've got a
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: soundtrack coming out.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, it definitely makes sense with you guys as
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: band though. I mean, obviously you guys aren't a post
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: rock band, but there's so many like kind of post
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: rock type of elements going on, at least in terms
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: of the sort of soundscapes that you guys create where
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it totally makes sense that there at
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: least maybe is some sort of soundtrack potential with this band.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I hope so. And I definitely think that. Like you said,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: it's just there's this kind of like post just generally
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: sort of influences within it. That's like a lot of
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: like the textual, I don't know, dreamy kind of elements
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: to it that I think could work. It's just trying
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: to convince someone to let us do it.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Well, well you guys, I was gonna talk about furnesce FESTE.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: I was gonna talk and then but you go, you
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: go ahead.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Great, great, let's do it. So obviously you mentioned furnes
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Fest just a bit ago. That's why we brought you
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: on here to talk about furness Fest. Uh, we're going
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: to be uh you're you're actually the first episode of
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: all the Furnace Best Artists that we're gonna interview for
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: for this year's Furnace Fest. So we're super stoked. I
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: know you guys have never been to furness Fest before.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: This will be Culin and I's fifth year Furness Fast.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: We're we're lifers at this point veterans Lifers for the
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: second half of furnace Fest. Yeah, we're really big fans
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: of the festival and so we're really stoked. So yeah,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: what like what can fans expect at furnace Fest for
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: this year? Yeah? What what are you looking forward to
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: with furnace Fest this year? I'm just curious.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're we're just so excited to get to
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: come and be a part of this. I think as
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: someone that has kind of grown up like loving American
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: like music has come out of the States and definitely
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: like heavy at music, I think the UK has always
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: looked to America and kind of events like Furness Best
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: and Health Best and like Warp Tour and that kind
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: of thing that these are sort of the things you
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: kind of put on a pedestal and to be able
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: to get to come and be a part of it's
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: just it's incredibly cool, like a kind of dream comes
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: or through kind of thing. So yeah, I mean, in
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: terms of what people can expect, potentially some new material,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: I mean we're going to be coming out like just
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: swinging and playing like a very very energetic festival set. Ultimately,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: I think most of the time when we've told at
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: least the last couple of tours we've done in the
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: US has been sort of their headline step that we
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: would do, which is definitely a bit more, a bit
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: more of attention is kind of paid to like pacing
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: and like dynamics and kind of the way the step
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: flows and everything, and that's great, and like I like
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: playing like that, but I also love turning up at
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: a festival and just coming out swinging with all like
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: the big heavy hitters and getting to do that. So yeah,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I mean that's definitely why I've got in mind it.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: At least it's gonna be great, Like we're so excited.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: The lineup is brilliant. We've had nothing but good things
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: about the festival from friends that have played it, so yeah,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be cool.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: I would argue it's very different from any other festival
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: just in terms of its ethos. It's a very it
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: feels so much more homemade, homespot. I don't know how
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: else to say that. How else would you say it?
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Mason Folksy, I guess you could say sure, I mean
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: in terms like the music style, but folks is in
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: like it's.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Not Pete Seeger. But yeah, but there's very few festivals
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: where the organizers of the festivals are going to be
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: stage diving throughout the weekend. And this is a festival
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: where the organizers you will see them at some point
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: be stage diving. That that is just part of who
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: this festival is. And uh and that's part of the
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: reason that I love it so much. Like it doesn't
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: feel like somebody who's just trying to like get a
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: money grab in the music industry or whatever. Like these
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: are people who genuinely love this music. They're friends with
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of these people, and they just want to
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: they just want to see a festival with like all
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: of their favorite bands.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Amazing. Now, I'd love to hear that. It's very cool.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, we're very very excited. When Mason and I
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: heard that Relatamasi was going to be there, we were ecstatic.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're through the we were through the moon for it. Well,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm guessing since I mean, you guys are traveling
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: quite a way as I would imagine, like you're not
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: only going to be there for one day or for
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: thirty minutes for your set, Like are you going to
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: try to see any other sets while you're there?
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: What's your plan.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: I mean the plan is to be there for the
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: whole weekend, Yeah, and to watch as much as possible.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's kind of cool. I think the
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: days are definitely kind of split by the headliners. You
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: can tell it's been booked kind of like top down,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: and it kind of all makes sense. The Sunday definitely
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: kind of speaks to me the most, very much looking
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: forward to seeing not loose headliner a festival. I'm trying
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: to think of else. It's playing off the top of
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: my head now, I mean Converge. I will jump at
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: any opportunity to see them. There's just so much that
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: I know I'm going to be into. There's another band
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: from the UK actually called Delta Sleep. They're playing on
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: the Friday, I think or the Saturday. I mean, they're
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: playing across the weekend and it was really nice seeing, Yeah,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: another band from the UK that was on it. I
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: know that like typically year on year there's like at
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: least one or two, but it was like nice that
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: it was some people that we know that's going to be. Yeah,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: just a bit of a novelty getting to hang out
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: like at a festival in the US, like Yeah, with
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: people that we know from home. It's like it's nice.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I just I love the kind of atmosphere that you
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: kind of get those those festivals.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: I would imagine you guys have toured in the American
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: South before. What is it that you're looking forward to
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: the most when you head back to the Deep South
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: in America? Like, what's is there a gas a particular
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: gas station you're looking forward to going to, or is
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: there a particular fast food restaurant that you're looking forward
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: to go to? What what is it that you're looking
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: forward to going back to the Deep South in America?
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I think I'm looking forward to people saying y'all
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: with conviction and like actually it just sounding right, Like
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I think it's it's there's it warms my heart. Like
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: the first time like I heard someone actually say that
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: for real and was like, oh my god, like you're
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: you're allowed to say that you're from America, was just
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: it was brilliant. So yeah, kind of being in that
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: part of the world and hearing hearing the wonderful accent
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: is going to be It's going to be enough. I mean,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I think I guess the gas station you're referred to
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: would probably be I don't know, is the Bookies in
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Alabama BUCkies? Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, I mean I'm going
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: to definitely be getting some beaver nugs at some point then,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: but yeah, there you go.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I do like that you said that about
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: the accent because Mason and I were were Central North,
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: so we are on the Great Plains, far far away
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: from the American South, and when we go to the
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: American South, one of the first things that we love
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: to hear is the y'all because it is it is
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: so heartwarming. It just we'll bless your soul when they
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: say bless your soul.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Honestly, like it's yeah, it's terrific, and it's said with
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: such sincerity and in a way that like I feel
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: like a lot of people that would try and do
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: that accident, just yeah, the sincerity just isn't there. And yeah,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: I'm a big, big fan.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: It is one of the most like just welcoming homie
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: accents that there is among English accents for sure.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Agreed, love it.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Well, James, Let's talk about your top five most influential albums. So,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a particular order you want
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: to do it chronologically, maybe you actually have it, like,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: all right, this is like my top album of all time,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: but yeah, just would love to hear those top five
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: most influential albums. And by the way, just looking at
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: your Wikipedia and seeing some of those influences, and I'm
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: guessing not all of those influences are just yours, but
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: a number of those influences and guess he might be
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: thrown into this top five lists. So but I'm looking
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: forward to this.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: It's possible, And I think this is the kind of
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: answer that on any day of the week, depending on
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: who was asking, I would always give like a slightly
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: varied answer. There are a couple that will always be
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: in it, like irrespective I mentioned them earlier, Jane Doe
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: by Converge is like it would be front and center
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: of any of it. Like, yeah, it's I think.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: One of the best, one of the best albums of time.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure I can add anything more to the
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: kind of conversation around that. It's just, yeah, the greatest
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: conversed by Jenso relationship of commands by the Driving, which
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: I probably got into a little bit before that, that
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: was very much like a gateway into much heavy music
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: for me, I'm going to go with Before the Dawn
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Heels Us by M eight three. It's like very simple, very.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Simply maybe the same person by the way, cool.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, feel free to keep in such will
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: send you to the so.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Far so far, I think we're the same person.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Cool. And then it's the last two that I think
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: are the ones that vary quite a lot, like I
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: think you can those three is basically my contributions to
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: our band are kind of all based around those three things.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: So today for the last two, I'm going to go
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: with in a Safe Place by the album Leave.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Love Love the album Leave Yeah, I don't think we've
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: ever gotten an album is a great That is a
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: great care.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: It's a perfect ten. Like honestly, I was really lucky
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I got to see that played in full church in
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: London a couple of years ago, and it was just
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: spectacular that I listened to that all the time. It's
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: on like such regular rotation. I think it's aged flawlessly
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: and is so understated. It kind of like post rock
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: that gets to the point like quite quickly. It's not
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: like labored, just a very very good record. And number
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: five this is yeah, maybe the tricky one the well,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: not necessarily tricky, it's just the one that kind of
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: fluctuates the most. I'm going to go with an album
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: by an Italian band called Laquette and the album is
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: called La Fini on a Lafine. That album was put
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: out two thousand and five. The band broke up a
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: little while ago or just stop being active, but basically
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: they've reformed this year. I'm going to go see them
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: playing in Italy in like two weeks. Like I bought
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: it as soon as I heard that they were reforming.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: They're only doing shows in Italy at the moment at least,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: so I booked flights, got tickets and I cannot wait
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: to see them play. It's like a perfect record.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: And again, what kind of music are they?
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: I guess like screamer as I would describe it, kind
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: of similar to stuff like like American Man's like Statia
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: and Jerome's Dream and that kind of like late nineties screamer.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: But they're kind of like part of the next wave
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: of like European bands that they did it, and like
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: for me, they're the best like example of the European
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: like modern screamer bands like often imitated, never kind of better.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: I would definitely recommend checking it out. There's like a
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: remastered version of the record that's just been released, like
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: there's been like a twentieth anniversary thing. It's gone up
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: on streamers streaming platforms recently. It's very very good.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Or all their lyrics in Italian and.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I love when bands actually like hold true
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: for them.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember seeing them play a few times way
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: back when, and a couple of I think the vocalists
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: couldn't speak much English at the time, and it was
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: like just all I mean, it kind of made you
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: focus on just a performance even more, like they were
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: so so, so good and I can't wait to see
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: them play the Sons again.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: So you guys should release an album that's like all
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: in old English.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: It would it would definitely hinge on me learning some
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: old English first. I mean, yeah, ye oldie Tamassi like
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: that kind.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Of yeah, I'd be all over that. I think that'd
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: be fun cool.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: All right, So there's one more thing I want to
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: ask you, because you guys are from Sheffield, right, That's.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Where we grew up. Yeah, yeah, I've not looked at
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: it for a very very long time.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, do you still have what would be considered a
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: Sheffield accent.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Not even close. I don't think. I so my my
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: parents are from there if they moved there like six
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: months before I was born, So I kind of I'm
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: a bit sort of like either neutral or mongrel. I
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: don't know how you would describe my accent.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: It's just or the mongrel there.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Not really much of anything, but yeah.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Sure sure. So what are some maybe some slang terms
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: that are used generally near the Sheffield area that are
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: are unique to that area because I know I know
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: that that England especially or the UK, I should say
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: it has very very very distinct dialectal differences and slash right.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess like the band that is sort
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: of championed Sheffield the most will probably be the Artic Monkeys.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: And I don't think I don't think this is necessarily
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: like something that's just very specific to Sheffield. But if
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: someone is like grumpy like and then art Monkeys have
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: a song called Mardy Bum and that is like, yeah,
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Mardy is like if you're being grumpy, like, stop being
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Mardy like. That's that's definitely something that is the with Sheffield.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: I honestly I'm psypathetic if I had to google this,
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: and I'm kind of doing it while we're just to
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: kind of just to give myself a bit of a refresh.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Sure there's some great examples on here as well. I'm
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: just trying to, like, I mean, the one that comes up,
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: and I guess this is like an old English thing
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: and would have like regional differences if it's like just
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: a different word for nothing, and it's like nout note
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: so and again I've said it because it's always really
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: good here in Americans say it, but yeah no o
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: w T now yeah now and then like now is nothing,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: but then out is anything. So like oh yeah, I'm
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: gonna go to the do you want out from the shop?
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, it's but.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: You love I love those goofy little ones, and every
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: place has them. The place that Mason lives has some
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: very very fun ones that make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Like what hot dish, hot dish?
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: Or duck duck gray duck instead of duck duck goose stuffy?
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Interesting?
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, good stuff? All right, Well, what would you
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: like to plug? Got a lot of things on the dark,
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: it looks like here, So what.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Would I like to plug? I would like to plug
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: an album that I was listening to earlier, So there
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: is about from Madrid called Crossed. They released an album
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: earlier called Realismo Aarsente and their bass player is a
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: good friend of ours. He's someone that's done a lot
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: of artwork for us in the past. He's a tattoo
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: artist and yeah, he's been amazing to work with his Banderstick,
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: and they just put out a great record like yesterday,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: So I definitely encourage anyone to listen to that.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: What's the name of the film that you that you
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: guys are scoring or does it not have a name yet?
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: I think I don't know if the title has finished yet,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Like we'll post details on it when when it's up,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a short film, should be like out
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: later this year, I think tour.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it sounds like an EP eventually as well.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Sometimes yeah, yeah, yeah, just finishing the final detail else
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: for it, but yeah, it will come out at some
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: point in twenty twenty five for sure.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Beautiful love that, Beautiful.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Love it Jeames, anything else you'd like to plug?
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: So I would like to plug that. I was an
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: extra in the British comedy series The In Between Us. Oh,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: sort of really it's sort of this it's like a
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: comedy series that's almost like to me as someone from
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: from the UK, it feels more like a documentary on
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: like how life at high school's actually actually is. And
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: I was kind of like the right age at the
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: time to be cast in one of the scenes there.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: So if you watch really careful, I think it's season two,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: episode five, you can kind of see me in the
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: background a scene when they're all in the pub together.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: Do you remember what you're doing? Are you just drinking
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: or are.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: You just drinking? It's very much like background stuff. I'm
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: just probably just like nursing a beer, like trying not
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: to desperately awkwardly look at the camera.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: I would think it'd be hard not to just like
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: constantly wink at the camera, but this is it.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not a trained actor. It was just right place,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: right time, And yeah, they just kind of they just
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: needed people cast that were kind of roughly the age
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: that they're trying to portraying there. Yeah, that was me.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: Love it. We just talked to the guys from Berry Tomorrow.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: We talked to him a couple of days ago, who were.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Also literally yesterday twenty four hours ago.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was twenty four hours ago. And they they
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: were extras, not extras, they're sort.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Of an extra, kind of an extra ted Lasso, yah.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Ted Lasso, Oh, very cool.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was a busker, which is pretty fun.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Clearly, you know, clearly the metal scene in the UK,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: it just must not be as profitable as what I
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: was anticipating if you all are just having to go
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: on all these other British like some extra money.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: It's the acting side hustle is you know, entertainment. The
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: two industries kind of acting tandem. So it's as long
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: as you meet kind of the right casting agents, it's
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: it's an easy things to sort out.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: It's the small world over there in the on the aisles.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Well that's it.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, across the pond. I had to get one of
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: those in there.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was waiting for it.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Well done to try. Yeah yeah, all.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Right, Well when when you take when you take off
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: on that plane, I would expect when you head out
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: to Furness Fest, I would I would hope there's at
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: least one across the pond. Joke that's made as you're
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: flying over at the Atlantic.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm definitely gonna remember that, and I'll make
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: sure it happens.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I love to see.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: In honor of this, I'm gonna go upstairs. I'm gonna
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: make some chipped beef in your honor.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: So I love it.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Good stuff.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Well, James, thank you so much for chatting more about
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Rola Tamasi. Again, just a band that, even though they're
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: sort of newer to me, you guys are just like
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: quickly becoming one of my favorite bands. Just again, like
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: literally one of my most listened to bands over the
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: last few years. So thanks so much for chatting more
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: about it. And we're so stoked to see you at
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Furness Fest and hopefully we get to say hi.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much, guys, it's been really nice talking spoke
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: to Bee. Thanks for the pine words, and yeah, looking
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: forward to seeing you. It's best ye be well until then,