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Ep. 80 What Happened to Patrick Carnes? | The Interstate 80 Mystery · Weeknight Mysteries Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to the Weeknight Mysteries podcast. My
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  Speaker 1: name is Juras and I am here with my co-host Rain.
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  Speaker 1: As always, how are you doing today, Rain?
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty good. I hope everyone feels the same way.
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  Speaker 2: How are you today?
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty good as well. Today we are going to
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  Speaker 1: be talking about a case that has been suggested by
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  Speaker 1: one of our listeners. That would be a who commented
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  Speaker 1: the case suggestion on our YouTube channel at Annette Cervantes.
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  Speaker 1: I believe we have already covered several of this listener's suggestions.
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  Speaker 1: So thank you very much, Annette, for suggesting another interesting case.
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  Speaker 1: I had known about this case for some time. Because
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  Speaker 1: it has been in the backlog for a while. So
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be going over Patrick Karn's disappearance case.
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  Speaker 1: a comment somewhere. What do you think about the topics?
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  Speaker 1: And what do you think we could do to make
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  Speaker 2: Man, you're an expert on this now. With the introduction now,
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  Speaker 2: it's getting longer, but it sounds super professional now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it sounds like very professional or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that. I just think this is generally what
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  Speaker 1: we would like to ask our listeners.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. But remember the first time you did it,
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  Speaker 2: you kind of like, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would fumble it back in the day. But
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  Speaker 1: today we have another topic. So essentially, we have Patrick Carnes,
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  Speaker 1: who was a senior man, 86, at the time of his...
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  Speaker 1: bizarre disappearance, I would say it's bizarre potentially because Well
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  Speaker 1: this case at first glance looks like it's not very
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  Speaker 1: deep at least that was my opinion about it, but
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  Speaker 1: then once I started looking at The case during my research.
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  Speaker 1: I found out that there is act. This is like
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  Speaker 1: a really big case There's like a lot of things here.
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  Speaker 1: We have CCTV footage We have, let's say, scene pictures,
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  Speaker 1: case scene pictures. I don't want to say crime scene
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  Speaker 1: pictures because we don't really know if this was a
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  Speaker 1: crime scene. But we do have pictures. We have pictures.
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  Speaker 1: We have map details. We have a related case, potentially.
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  Speaker 1: We have interesting sources. I guess we have a lot
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  Speaker 1: to review here today. And I think it's a very
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  Speaker 1: good time to jump in on it. So I think
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to go through the information that we
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  Speaker 1: have on Patrick Carnes, the elder man that disappeared in
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  Speaker 1: Nevada back in 2011. So in April of 2011, 86-year-old
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  Speaker 1: Patrick Carnes, alongside his dog Lucky, they were driving from
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  Speaker 1: Nevada to Ohio. Patrick Carnes at this point was living
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  Speaker 1: alone with his dog in Reno, Nevada. He was driving
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  Speaker 1: to Ohio to visit his family. And he was looking
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  Speaker 1: around in Ohio for potential retirement homes in order to
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  Speaker 1: be closer to his family in Ohio. Because originally he
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  Speaker 1: is from Ohio. I believe a large portion of his
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  Speaker 1: family resided in Ohio as well at this time. despite
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  Speaker 1: his old age, he was known to be mentally sharp
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  Speaker 1: and in good health. We even have a dash cam,
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  Speaker 1: a police dash cam footage of Patrick Harnes discussing certain
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  Speaker 1: details with a police officer on the same day that
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  Speaker 1: he went missing and uh he does seem like he
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  Speaker 1: is um i listened to it uh he does seem
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  Speaker 1: to be coherent and he looks he looked.
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  Speaker 2: Good for 86 yeah and he seemed like he's in
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  Speaker 2: great shape for 86.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with that right absolutely and here is once
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  Speaker 3: again remember i thought that at a certain age when
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  Speaker 3: you get old They're going to take away your license.
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  Speaker 2: You're not going to be allowed to drive. Turns out
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  Speaker 2: I was completely wrong. But this is one of those
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  Speaker 2: times where I'm like 86 and driving. That's impressive, though.
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  Speaker 1: That is, I think, actually impressive because I am aware
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  Speaker 1: of people around this age that are definitely not able
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  Speaker 1: to drive. So I don't think that everyone at 86
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  Speaker 1: is able to drive, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 2: And long distances.
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  Speaker 1: And absolutely long distances. To paint a better picture for
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  Speaker 1: our listeners here who might not be aware, the distance
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  Speaker 1: from Reno to Ohio is almost the entire span, horizontal span,
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  Speaker 1: of the United States. It is Takes around 33 hours
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  Speaker 1: to make this drive. And it's more than 2,000 miles
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  Speaker 1: of just driving at 86. I mean... Insane.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely insane.
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  Speaker 1: One thing that does work in Patrick Karn's favor here
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  Speaker 1: is that he is a former truck driver.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: He is a former truck driver, so it seems that
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  Speaker 1: maybe this is not super unusual for him.
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  Speaker 2: Because realistically right now, I'm thinking you and me, let's
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  Speaker 2: go on a drive from Nevada to Ohio. Can we
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  Speaker 2: do it?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we could do it, but it would be.
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  Speaker 2: It would be really tough.
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  Speaker 1: It would be exhausting. So during his trip back from Nevada,
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  Speaker 1: Patrick was stopped alongside the way... and nothing seemed to
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  Speaker 1: be wrong. What had happened initially, that as he was
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  Speaker 1: already almost back home, he was stopped in Nevada already,
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  Speaker 1: so he made the big long drive back already, he
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  Speaker 1: almost completed it. He did speed by a police officer
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  Speaker 1: on the road, I think we could get into it
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  Speaker 1: in a little bit potentially, and he was asked, questions
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  Speaker 1: why did he speed i think he it was the
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  Speaker 1: night time it was dark and he explained to the
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  Speaker 1: officer i believe that he was following another truck because
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  Speaker 1: that truck was leading him to a city called elko
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  Speaker 1: which is on the way to reno we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be getting into all of this in a little bit
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  Speaker 1: essentially the police officer said that um patrick was seemed
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  Speaker 1: okay and he let him go with just a warning.
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  Speaker 1: Now the funny, or what am I saying? Definitely not
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  Speaker 1: the funny, absolutely nothing funny about it. But what Patrick
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  Speaker 1: said to the police officer was very interesting. As he
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  Speaker 1: was leaving the police officer, he told him that he
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  Speaker 1: will never drive again at night. And that would be
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  Speaker 1: very bizarre because it seems that something happened to Patrick
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  Speaker 1: later on on that same night. And, um, It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: look like Patrick Carnes is alive anymore, to be honest.
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  Speaker 1: Just by thinking about his age and the fact that
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  Speaker 1: he has been missing for 15 years, it doesn't seem
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  Speaker 1: that he is alive anymore.
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  Speaker 2: By that statement alone, do you think there's a possibility
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  Speaker 2: that he said it just in a simple way of,
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  Speaker 2: my eyes are terrible at nighttime, I couldn't see much?
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  Speaker 1: I don't blame him, though. I think you're right. And
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  Speaker 1: I will also comment from my perspective. Driving at night,
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  Speaker 1: if the highway is not well lit, it's dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: It's scary.
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  Speaker 1: It's scary and it's dangerous at any age. Let alone
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  Speaker 1: a senior citizen like Patrick.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if those roads in America, like the one
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  Speaker 2: that would take you from, I don't know, LA to
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  Speaker 2: New York. I wonder if all of them, like the
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  Speaker 2: whole road would be lit up. I don't know. Don't
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  Speaker 2: think so, right?
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea. You have to take into account
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  Speaker 1: that this, you know, different states, most likely different funding structures. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So who knows how unified those interstate highways are. I
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  Speaker 1: think one of... some of our listeners could probably chime in.
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  Speaker 1: I think most of our listeners are from the United States.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they know better than us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've seen some movies, right? And we've seen
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  Speaker 2: on TV and the media. Some of them just feel
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  Speaker 2: like a road... In some desert or in some field
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  Speaker 2: and there's nothing there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right? So it seems that Patrick, where we will
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  Speaker 1: find out his car was found, is actually on one
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  Speaker 1: of those desolate roads. Absolutely. Absolutely. So the following morning
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  Speaker 1: after the police officer, you know, police officer let him
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  Speaker 1: go with a warning at, I believe, 9 p.m. on
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  Speaker 1: the 13th of April, 2011. The following morning at around
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  Speaker 1: 6 a.m. on the April 14th, Patrick's car was actually
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  Speaker 1: found abandoned in a field off Interstate 80, which was
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  Speaker 1: still 200 miles away from his Reno apartment. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Less than, I would say, 10 hours later or something
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  Speaker 1: like that, his car was already found abandoned, essentially, off
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  Speaker 1: a highway. It is very bizarre. Now, when police came
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  Speaker 1: and investigated the vehicle, Patrick and his dog, Lucky, were
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  Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. Items that Patrick brought with him
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  Speaker 1: to the trip to Ohio seemed to be left behind.
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  Speaker 1: There was a little bit of a confusion whether or
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  Speaker 1: not his wallet was gone or missing. I've seen different
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  Speaker 1: types of explanations. However, when they investigated the scene, they
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  Speaker 1: did not find any evidence of foul play. I believe
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  Speaker 1: they found one pair of footprints leading away from the car,
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  Speaker 1: but not Patrick or Lucky's. They were never found.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm assuming that the car was found on the
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  Speaker 2: side of the road and not far away from the road.
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  Speaker 2: Or was it off?
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  Speaker 1: Actually, I was able to pinpoint the exact sort of
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  Speaker 1: location on Google Maps where it was. I think we're
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  Speaker 1: going to get into it in a little bit. Let's
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  Speaker 1: not jump ahead. But I will say that it was...
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  Speaker 1: a little bit off the highway like it was not immediately.
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  Speaker 2: Like on the side of the road you see it immediately.
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  Speaker 1: No there is this uh exit exit 205 it's basically
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  Speaker 1: you know how there's a highway and along the highway
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  Speaker 1: there are like road there are like towns and there's
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  Speaker 1: like an exit off of the highway so it was
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  Speaker 1: basically parked on an exit so as you exit the
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  Speaker 1: main interstate highway There's a little road, a little dirt road,
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  Speaker 1: and this is where his car was found. It also
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  Speaker 1: seems that his car was stuck in some sort of
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  Speaker 1: a brush. We're going to be getting into that in
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, but essentially this is the background of
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  Speaker 1: the case. We have an 86-year-old man who has been
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  Speaker 1: doing this really long drive to the point where you
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  Speaker 1: would even have to ask yourself, is it even smart
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  Speaker 1: for this man to be doing this?
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  Speaker 2: And why? Do we have any reason why?
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  Speaker 1: So he was driving to see his family in Ohio. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Because he was looking around for retirement homes in Ohio
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  Speaker 1: to be closer to his family.
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  Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense. But why was he
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  Speaker 2: living so far away from them?
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  Speaker 1: I think let's jump into it. We have some information
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  Speaker 1: on his background. So Patrick Francis Maloney Carnes, he was
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  Speaker 1: born in On January 30th, back in 1925. 1925, dude.
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  Speaker 1: That's so crazy. That is bizarre that, you know, someone
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  Speaker 1: could have been alive back then and in 2011. And
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  Speaker 1: potentially even now, but highly unlikely.
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  Speaker 2: It's gotta be your grandma.
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  Speaker 1: No. My grandma is actually... She wasn't born nowhere near...
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  Speaker 1: I think she was born during World War II, which
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  Speaker 1: is way later than Patrick Carnes. Patrick Carnes served in
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  Speaker 1: World War II. He actually was an aviation radio man
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  Speaker 1: in the Navy. He was honorably discharged. I've seen another
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  Speaker 1: source comment that he was also a Korean War veteran.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's insane.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Korean War happened essentially... right after World War II,
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  Speaker 1: more or less. But I didn't really find much information
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  Speaker 1: about his time in the military, and I can't really
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  Speaker 1: confirm if he was actually served in Korean War. But
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  Speaker 1: it was stated widely, I think, that he served in
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  Speaker 1: World War II. And we even have an image of
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  Speaker 1: him as he was serving in World War II. He
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  Speaker 1: looks like he's in good shape, you know, athletic young man.
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  Speaker 2: He seemed very young when he served in the military.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: He looks young. He met his future wife, Margaret Haltom,
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  Speaker 1: and got married with her, with Margaret, in 1949. They
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  Speaker 1: had four children together. Patrick For some time, he was
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  Speaker 1: working as a trucker, but later he got himself a
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  Speaker 1: business degree from UCLA. That is the Los Angeles University,
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  Speaker 1: really good public university, one of the best public universities
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  Speaker 1: in America. And then he worked as a system manager
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  Speaker 1: for Rand Corporation. So I had to Google what is
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  Speaker 1: Rand Corporation. Rand Corporation seems to be some sort of
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  Speaker 1: a think tank, non-profit organization. I think they maybe advise
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  Speaker 1: on government policy, but I could be wrong here. So
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  Speaker 1: he was working for, seemed like, this company for some time.
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  Speaker 1: Patrick was known to be a devoted husband and father
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  Speaker 1: to his children. He was said to be a loving
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  Speaker 1: and intelligent person, and he enjoyed traveling. After he retired,
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  Speaker 1: him and Margaret moved across the country to Reno, Nevada.
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  Speaker 1: So I assume that initially he was living in Ohio,
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  Speaker 1: but then after he retired, he moved to Reno, Nevada.
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  Speaker 1: And unfortunately, his wife, Margaret, passed away in 2004. So
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  Speaker 1: this ended the marriage that lasted 55 years. It's a
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  Speaker 1: very long marriage. So obviously, Patrick, you know, his life
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  Speaker 1: changed forever because he was used to living with, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one person for more than half a century. So now
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  Speaker 1: he has to, you know, kind of, you know, have
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  Speaker 1: some sort of companionship. So he's all alone. He's in Reno, Nevada.
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  Speaker 1: I believe his family is in Ohio. Obviously, it's tough.
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  Speaker 1: So he adopted a Labrador Akita mix dog, which was Lucky.
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  Speaker 1: And Lucky became his best friend and constant companion. So
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  Speaker 1: we do have an image of Lucky. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why it's not loading, to be honest, on my file.
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  Speaker 1: Is it loading on your phone? Lucky's picture?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and I could explain what he looks like. Very adorable.
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  Speaker 2: Looks like he's slightly overweight. Maybe.
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  Speaker 1: That was also... something funny mentioned about this dog, Lucky.
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  Speaker 1: I think I went on Reddit and I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: I found a great, great nephew of Patrick Harns. His great,
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  Speaker 1: great nephew, I believe, great, great nephew is on Reddit
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  Speaker 1: and kind of chimed in on the case. And he
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  Speaker 1: said that the dog looked like a box shape almost.
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  Speaker 1: I can see that. He said that Patrick loved his
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  Speaker 1: dog so much that it started looking more like a box.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so for our listeners who couldn't really look at
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  Speaker 2: the pictures, just imagine a brown box with a smaller
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  Speaker 2: head and legs.
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  Speaker 1: Tiny legs, right?
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  Speaker 2: Tiny legs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but very cute dog.
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  Speaker 2: Adorable.
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  Speaker 1: So in 2011, 86-year-old Patrick Carnes decided to move back
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  Speaker 1: to Ohio to be closer to his family. Himself and
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  Speaker 1: his eight-year-old dog, Lucky, made the cross-country journey to Ohio
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  Speaker 1: in the month of April. Patrick stayed with his family
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  Speaker 1: during the trip and toured multiple retirement homes. We don't
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  Speaker 1: really know a lot of information about what... patrick patrick's
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  Speaker 1: uh visit was like there was nothing bad reported to
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  Speaker 1: be honest about about his time in ohio um the
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  Speaker 1: great great nephew on reddit even said that he remembers
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  Speaker 1: shaking his hand back in 2011 before he left that's
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  Speaker 1: a crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Memory yeah crazy memory to have.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed yeah patrick apparently was still in good health the
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  Speaker 1: only thing that was slowing him down was an old
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  Speaker 1: leg injury which had left him with a limp so
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  Speaker 1: patrick was now heading back home to reno nevada during
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  Speaker 1: the final leg of his journey back to reno He
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  Speaker 1: was actually stopped by a police officer on April 13th,
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  Speaker 1: which was a Wednesday. And this stop happened at 9 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: I already mentioned this a little bit earlier. So this
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  Speaker 1: stop happened just outside of the small town called Wells
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  Speaker 1: in Nevada. Wells is a very small town. I don't
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  Speaker 1: really know if it is connected to this case in
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  Speaker 1: any way because... Patrick's vehicle was actually found the next
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  Speaker 1: morning quite a bit distance away. I know that Wells,
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  Speaker 1: the location where he was stopped, has a population of
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  Speaker 1: around 1,200 back in 2020.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's small.
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  Speaker 1: It is a very small town. But Wells, Nevada, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like has a bit of relevancy for us, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: because we know that This is the last confirmed sighting
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  Speaker 1: of Patrick. He is not known to be anywhere past Wells.
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  Speaker 1: We know his car was found some distance away on
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  Speaker 1: that highway, way past Wells and some other towns. But Wells,
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  Speaker 1: Nevada is the last place where anyone has confirmation about
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  Speaker 1: Patrick's whereabouts. So why was he stopped on Saturday? Interstate
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  Speaker 1: 80 by police. Well, apparently a police officer had actually
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  Speaker 1: stopped another semi-truck on the road. Not sure why. But
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  Speaker 1: as he was conducting the stop, Patrick sped past. Not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily sped past, but drove past in a dangerous way.
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  Speaker 2: So it was faster than the speed limit.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it was maybe faster, but I think
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  Speaker 1: it was too close.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: It was, if I understand correctly, Patrick drove past the
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  Speaker 1: police officer. He was too close to the police officer.
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  Speaker 2: But then again, he was 86 and has been driving
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  Speaker 2: for how long was he driving?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I believe for a very long time.
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  Speaker 2: For a very long time, right? I mean, I could
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  Speaker 2: understand how he would do such a mistake.
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  Speaker 1: So it was dark. obviously.
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  Speaker 2: And it was dark. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So what happened next is that we even have dash
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  Speaker 1: cam footage. I've seen it. It's basically the dash cam
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  Speaker 1: of the police car. So if you could imagine, there's
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  Speaker 1: a police car. Right in front of the police car
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  Speaker 1: is a semi-truck, which has been already stopped by the
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  Speaker 1: police officer. And you could imagine that the police car
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  Speaker 1: A police car has a cam, so it's taping the
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  Speaker 1: back of this semi-truck that is stopped. A little bit
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  Speaker 1: to the left, there is visuals of the highway, and
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: you could just see Patrick's car drive past the police officer.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: But way too close.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Way too close, and you could see the police officer
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: kind of run back to his car and start chasing...
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: So then we have some images from the cam of
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the police car as he is chasing Patrick. He's not
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: really chasing Patrick. He's just kind of like, you know,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: approaching him and ordering him to stop. So that's what
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: has taken place. When police questioned Patrick. So when police
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: officers questioned Patrick, well, there was, I believe, only one officer.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Patrick told the officer something interesting. He said that he
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: was actually following a semi-truck which was driving ahead of him.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: But it wasn't the semi-truck that was already stopped by
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the police.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: No, this was a separate.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Completely different one.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: This was a completely different semi-truck. And the explanation was
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: that this semi-truck was heading to Elko. Elko is another
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: town and it is alongside the highway... i-80 and it
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: is on the way to reno elko is around 49
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: miles away from wells so we don't have any explanation
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: how patrick knew that this particular truck was gonna go
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: to elko it's open for speculation this particular detail some
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: people are saying that maybe Patrick, a former truck driver,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: had already, you know, met up with this person, with
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: this truck driver somewhere in a truck stop.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: It could be. I could see that happening.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that they just kind of like talked and he
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: explained that, you know, he's going to Elko and that
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Patrick was following him. He also explained to the officer
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: that he intended to stay the night in Elko and
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: before making the final drive back to reno makes sense
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: because from wells to reno i believe it was still
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: a pretty long distance left to get to back.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Home i wonder why he chose to drive and not
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: to fly just out of curiosity it feels like i
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: don't know i would just Take the easier route. And
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: just fly.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: I feel like at. His age. And if he's retired.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: He has. Let's see. Less activities. For me personally.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: It could be a great adventure.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: For me. It's absolutely. Way more. If I'm retired. I
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: don't have to do a job.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I have a lot of time. I'm definitely driving.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: You think so?
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I think I'm driving. With my dog. Yeah.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: That's a. Nice little road trip. I would say so.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: It's just. feels a bit too inconvenient it.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Is inconvenient but like inexpensive but i could see how
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: someone's doing.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: It and it's a thing in america right also.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe patrick wasn't really used to flying that much.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: True true but it's a thing in america like driving
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: long distances right yeah i.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Feel like uh in america people are used to driving
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: longer distances they probably don't even realize that yeah you
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: know they probably do a Six hour drive like it's nothing.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: While for us, six hours is like we're already half
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: across Poland in some town that we've never seen before.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I still remember when we were driving, when we drove
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: once to Warsaw, it was like five hours of drive.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: And then hour three, I was already so bored.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: It wasn't even five hours, I believe.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: It wasn't even five hours?
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was five hours. I don't know. But yeah,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: that felt like a long drive. But I feel like
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: for Americans, this is.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: It's nothing. Pathetic.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like they have better road skills, like
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: long drive skills.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: And also, I think their cars are more comfortable.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. The bigger ones, right?
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like Americans have bigger cars, which are
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: a lot more comfortable. You know how, like, we here have, like,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: smaller cars?
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: More compact it really is like.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: A just for a point a point b in the city.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah but it's i feel like yeah because actually when
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: you sit.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: In a big car it's uh it's easier it.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Feels like you could drive longer it's more like uh
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: it's more like you're you're driving on like in a
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: couch it's very nice so i feel like yeah that's
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: one way to put it yeah i feel like uh
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: so you know.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Okay when we go to america we need to rent
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: the car Like a big pickup truck. Yeah, or like,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: do you know what it feels like?
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to do that cross-country, maybe one day. So going
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: back now to the case, after, it is, sorry, it
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: is not known how exactly Patrick knew that the driver
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: was heading to Elko. Once again, I've mentioned earlier that
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: it's possible that Patrick had spoken to the driver, maybe
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: during a break at a rest stop, The driver was
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: never identified or came forward. And this is a very
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: important thing because, you know, the driver of this semi-truck which...
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Stopped at Elko. Stopped at Elko, allegedly. That driver never
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: came forward, but I've read somewhere that... police actually made
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: the public appeal for this driver to actually come forward.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: So it's either that the driver, well, I think I
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: can see three possibilities here. In my opinion, the first
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: possibility would be that Patrick actually never was following anyone.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Second possibility is that the truck driver was real and
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: he was being followed. by Patrick, but he sort of
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: didn't see Patrick in Elko anymore and just forgot about
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: it and never knew about the case that Patrick went
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: missing because he has truck driving business to do and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have time to think about.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Or he probably was already so far away. By that time, no?
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be that he just didn't care. Or
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: this driver, possibility number three, is actively avoiding coming forward.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: For what reason?
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: So this would be some sort of probably shady reason
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: because I can't imagine why you would not come out.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: But I also can't imagine robbing an 85-year-old guy all
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: alone with his dog. And I also can't imagine... Doing
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: shady things... With the guy... The 85 year old guy... Yeah.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I also feel like... Maybe... This... Scenario number 3... Is...
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: The least likely... I think... The more likely... To me...
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: My gut feeling is telling me that... Like... My... Like... Maybe.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Patrick was actually following the guy to Elko, but just
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the guy saw that Patrick is, you know, that he
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: kind of stopped following him at some point, and he
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: just kind of drove away and didn't think much of
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: it and never knew about Patrick's case.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I could see that happening. Also, my concern is, what
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: if there was never a truck in the first place?
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: There was a truck.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: There was a truck?
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: We know there was a truck. Okay, good. This is
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: actually very good. This is a very good point that
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: you made. If you would open up our case file, yes,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: if you would scroll down, there's a truck image.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, so it existed. At one point, I was like,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: maybe he was imagining things.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: No, we know, I think almost for a fact that
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Patrick was not imagining a truck because we, we have
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: several images. So the image number one that we're looking
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: at is, um, the pickup truck that drove past as
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the police officer had stopped another semi truck. So, um,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: To kind of explain it better, let's imagine that the
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: police officer had parked his car by the side of
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: the road as he was stopping the unrelated pickup truck,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: and his front window dash cam is filming, and there
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: is a little bit of visuals on the highway itself,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: so we do see that this truck passes the police
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: officer and that other unrelated truck and then after this
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: truck passes we also see patrick carnes drive past as
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: well so so police officer stops patrick carnes but this
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: truck is gone it's kind of driving away.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: So i'm assuming that maybe it's just a common thing
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: i don't know maybe it's a common thing for truckers
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: to be like okay someone's tailing me like i know
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: they're tailing me dying stopping i have some cargo to
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: deliver yeah.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: And maybe there's a chance that he saw patrick getting
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: stopped by police and.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Didn't have time to stop as well.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: No he's just okay bye yeah we have image number
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: two this is actually an image taken of the dash
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: cam from the police car as the police officer is
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: chasing down patrick and you could see that there's patrick's
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: car Yeah, and then in the distance, there's a truck.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: So there was a truck and Patrick going together almost.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: It's one of the roads with no lights.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. From looking at the dash cam,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: there is no lights.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: So I could see how Patrick would accidentally, unconsciously drive
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: too close. Because remember, you drove at nighttime and it
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: was very tough. It was like at one point you
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: were even mentioning her just following the line in the
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: middle of the road. As a guide.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: It is tough, yeah. And I can see how Patrick
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: would make this mistake.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: And he's 86. Yeah.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: So Patrick also seemed very polite and reasonable during the
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: conversation with police as he was stopped. And they let
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: him go with just a warning. And before driving away,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Patrick jokingly told the officer that he would never drive
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: in the dark again. We know that Patrick actually stopped
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: at a gas station in Wells before continuing on his journey.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: So it does seem to me that even if Patrick
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: was at some point following this truck, he had already...
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: decided to ditch that plan obviously because you know after
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: getting stopped by police i feel like the truck already
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: made so much distance into the highway that patrick was
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: you know he already i think abandoned the plan of
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: following this guy on the highway and we know that
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: he went to a gas station in wells well he
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: was already really close to wells so he just had
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to pull off the highway go to the gas station
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: and then he continued on to his journey We don't
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: know if he ever made it to Elko that night,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: because apparently there were traffic cameras that could have confirmed this,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: but unfortunately they weren't working. So many times we have
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: non-working security footage, which is quite unfortunate.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Very unfortunate, I agree.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: And the next morning came around at around 6 a.m.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: This was already April 14th, the following morning, right? And
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Patrick's green 2005 Subaru Forester was found stuck in some
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: sagebrush in a field off I-80. So this particular location...
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Was close to a town that I'm probably gonna butcher,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go for it. A town called Vinimaca. Vinimaca. Vinimaca. Probably.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: I feel like so, yeah.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: But it could be like this.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: It could be like that.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I may have not butchered it.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Or you could have butchered it if you did. We're
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: so sorry.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: This town is actually located past Elko. It is actually
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: 174 miles away from Wales towards the direction of Reno.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: So to put this into kilometer perspective, that's around 280
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: kilometers past. So kind of to give you a better reference,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: this is literally almost across entirety of Lithuania. How small
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: is our country, dude? That's the whole, that's all we
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: got here.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: That's it?
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: But it is a far distance for this man to make.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Because let's remember, he was trying to go to, he was,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: he told police the evening before that he was going
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: to Elko. And his plan is to spend the night
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: in Elko before continuing on his journey. Elko is 50
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: miles away. That's reasonable. This location where his car was
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: found is 174 miles away. So for some reason, if
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Patrick was the one driving his car, he decided to
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: drive past Elko and then proceeded for another 124 kilometers
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: in the westward direction towards Reno and his car. car
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: unexplainably was parked kind of maybe stuck potentially we also
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: don't know the specifics in some sagebrush alongside the i-80
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: highway um what's with the.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Change of heart well i wonder maybe maybe there's like
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: a closer i don't know truck stop somewhere around And
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: that's why he decided not to go to Elko?
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if that makes sense because he
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: already drove past Elko. Oh, yeah. How would that make sense?
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Sorry, sorry. I got confused. So he already
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: was past Elko.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Way past Elko. Way past Elko.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: He did not stop at Elko.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: We don't know. Maybe he did.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: But he said he's going to spend the night there
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: and just drive in the morning, no?
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he told the police officer.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Is there any town or a city... that was close
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: to where he was found?
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: You mean where his car was found?
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Where his car was found, yeah.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Sorry. No, because even if you look at... I took
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: some screenshots. Well, there are also like smaller locations.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: But I think the next biggest town, if I'm not
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: mistaken here, from Elko would be Vinimaka, okay?
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just so odd that it was already dark,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: and instead of, like, staying in Elko, like, what his
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: plan was, he just decided to go past it for
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: some odd reason.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: It seems this way. Right?
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Or potentially he found some sort of energy to keep going,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't make sense, no?
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I mean... We don't know what went down. We don't
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: know what.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: The thought process was.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I can't say if it made sense or not.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I was thinking maybe... One thought that jumps to my
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: mind is that is it a chance that he does
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: go to Elko but he can't find accommodation?
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Even though I think he could have just slept in
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: his car. But maybe he just really wanted a bed
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: and couldn't get it.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Could be. Could be. So he just decided to go
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: back down the road. Yeah.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: His vehicle was parked off an exit ramp in Pumpernickel Valley.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Love the name.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: It would have taken around 2 hours and 30 minutes
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: to get to this location from the police.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sorry, really quickly. I can see the road now,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: it's one of those with no lights at all.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. Very good point. It has no lights at all.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: So it would have taken him two and a half
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: hours to get from where the police officer stopped him
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: to where his car was found. On top of that,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: it would have taken another two hours from there to
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: get to Reno. So maybe there is even some logic
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: behind that. Or like there's a line of thinking for
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: us that maybe Patrick actually decided, potentially, and we can't
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: verify this, potentially decided to drive the full distance to
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Reno because at the point where his car was found,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: if there's no shady foul play taking place, He would
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: have already made more than halfway the distance that was
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: left from Wells to Reno. There was, I think, four
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: and a half hours of driving. His car was already
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: found two and a half hours of driving away from Wells.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: He only had two hours left to Reno. Maybe at
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: this point.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: He was like, screw it. Let's finish everything.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Maybe there is a thought process that he tries... to
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: finish the whole thing now look at the pictures this
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: is very good that we have we have exact vehicle
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: pictures um do you see the the picture of his
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: car yeah it's.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: An it's in an odd position it.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Is a very odd position it looks like it's kind
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: of slouched on the on the how should.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: I It's kind of like a hill, a little bit
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: of a hill.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bit sideways on a hill, if that
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: makes some sense. So look at the distance of the images.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: You see there is this ramp up in the distance.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can see it.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: This is the highway that he was driving on. So
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: for some reason, his car is now off of that highway.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: This is a very good picture that we have of
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: his car because we can gauge the distance. And I'm
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: going to be adding this in the YouTube channel, obviously,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: as always, these images. We could gauge the distance. We
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: could gauge the distance between Patrick's car and the highway.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: So it seems like it's a little bit off, but
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: it's not that far. It's absolutely walking distance to the highway.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: And it is a very, you know what this picture
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: kind of gives me a little bit of goosebumps. Immediately,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: you know what this picture gives me? The vibe, the feeling.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I'm getting the same feeling right now as with, Brianna
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Maitland's case.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, I can see it.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: You remember Brianna's case?
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the way her car was parked. It's like in
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: a sort of careless manner.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Like something happened. So I have the same strange feeling
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: with Patrick Karn's case as I did with Brianna Maitland.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: It seems like it was kind of driven off the road.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so what happened here? So when they looked at
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: the car, apparently the car was still fully operational. And
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: it had most, I think even maybe all of Patrick's
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: belongings that he had taken with him on this trip.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: There is a little bit of confusion online whether or
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: not Patrick's wallet was still in the car or was
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: it missing. I couldn't really confirm that particular detail. So
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: that's something we have to take into account. I feel
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: like people are leaning towards that, at least when you
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: read about it, that the wallet and the money was
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: still there. And why I'm even bringing this up is
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: because this is actually very crucial, in my opinion. If
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: his wallet and money is in the car, then we
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: could maybe even rule out burglary. Yeah, it seems so. So, yeah,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: we have another side view picture of his car. I'm
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: looking at it. It looks like he has some stuff
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: in the back. Looks like he has.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Could be just his stuff from the whole trip.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, looks like he has a bunch of stuff in
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: the back, which is, I think, very normal for this situation.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: And then I have a zoomed out map of where
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: his car was parked. So it's a very desolate area,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: but I don't think you would ever get lost in
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: this particular area because it's so close to the main highway.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: You could easily see the main highway. So I don't
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: see how Patrick Carnes just decides to get lost here.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: But there is a theory that I will bring up
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: to you later on in a little bit because I
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: don't want to mess up the structure of our podcast
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: today that could explain potentially how Patrick gets himself in
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: this predicament and becomes lost. And I feel like it's
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: a very compelling theory. But that is coming up in
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit for us. So what happened was that
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: another bizarre thing that we have to mention is that, well,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: this is what's reported. It is reported that the vehicle
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: is facing the opposite direction from where Patrick was heading
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: towards Reno. So, you know, when I first read this
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: clue that it was in the opposite direction, I immediately
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: assumed that, you know, it's facing back towards Wells. It's
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: facing back towards Elko. It's facing the different direction from Reno.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: But when you look at the picture of the car,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: it doesn't really face the other direction that much, in
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: my opinion. Because look where it's actually facing. It's facing
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: literally the road. It's facing the road. I mean, maybe
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: someone else could explain this better. And I'm going to
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: be sharing these images on our YouTube channel. But maybe
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: some of you guys could take a look at these pictures.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: How does this explain that it's facing the opposite side
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: of the road? For me, it just looks like it's
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: facing nothing. It's facing directly to the highway.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: I have a feeling it was there and he parked
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: it in such a manner that he didn't care and
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: he would just drive back to whichever direction he's supposed to.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I'm also having a hard time thinking how is he
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: even Parking it here?
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: This is such a weird place to park.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: I think I have an idea. Maybe it's too early
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: to say, but I'm just going to say it really quickly.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Say it.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: P-break.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: P-break?
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Maybe something as simple as that.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, you know what? I'm also going to then come
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: clean with what I was holding off. The great-great-nephew on
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Reddit suggested a theory That potentially, well, the way, because,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: you know, they talked with family members, and apparently there
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: or at least this person's conclusion is that maybe lucky
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: needed a pee.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Break yeah i can see that.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: And that lucky ran away.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: I could see that yeah.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Lucky ran away from the car Patrick decided to go
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: after Lucky and things escalated.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: I could see that happening because the car was parked
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: in such a way, it seemed like he didn't care.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: It almost could feel to me that maybe there's a
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: chance that Lucky jumps out through the window. But to
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: be honest, when you look at Lucky, Lucky doesn't look
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: like he's doing a lot of jumping.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Okay. But he's, you mentioned he's a Labrador Akita mix, right? Yeah.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: And as far as I know, I could be wrong
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: if our listeners say, think otherwise, you could just let
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: us know. But as far as I know, those breeds
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: are hunter breeds, meaning that if they see a squirrel
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: or anything, they would chase it.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: So they're more like active.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: They're more active.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: So, uh, I would say a slightly overweight eight-year-old Akita
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: mix would be able to do this.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think... I mean, from the picture, it looks
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: so boxy. I'm not sure if we could just smoothly
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: jump out of a moving car.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: But maybe somehow this plays out.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: I could imagine Lucky needing to do number one or
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: number two and then Okay. And then.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Jumping out.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: No, not jumping out. They were panicking because, you know,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: he might do it inside the car. And then once
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: the dog was relieved, probably saw something from somewhere and
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: started chasing it. And Patrick could have chased after him.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. My only concern is with the
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: way the car is parked. To me, it feels a
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: bit unnatural.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: It is unnatural. It feels like it's haphazardly done.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. So this is my only concern. So when they
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: looked closer, they found a single set of footprints leading
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: away from the Subaru. However, it was never determined if
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: these footprints actually belonged to Patrick.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: I would like to think it's actually Patrick's footprints, because
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: if it's not, then... It's a whole different story.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: You know, they never mentioned a pair of dog footprints.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: That's true. I guess if the road is dry enough,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: then you wouldn't see it because they're not as heavy
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: as us.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: So I think there could be two possibilities in my
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: head immediately. Possibility number one would be that maybe Patrick
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: is carrying Lucky for some reason. Possibility number two is
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: that Patrick and Lucky are already not in the car
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: and someone else is driving it. While Patrick and Lucky
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: are potentially encountered foul play, potentially in Elko.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, could be.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: That's also something to consider in my opinion. There were
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: no signs of a struggle at the car, and it
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: had gas and was still fully operational. However, it was
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: mentioned that it was stuck in a sagebrush, so I
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: can't really understand whether or not it was easy to
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: drive this car out or not. Multiple sources state that
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: all of Patrick's belongings were still in the car. However,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: other sources contradict this and state that his wallet was
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: actually missing. I was thinking it would make sense for
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: his wallet to be missing because Maybe he kept it
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: in his pocket, and if he's missing, then obviously the
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: wallet in the pocket is also going to be missing.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Patrick did not use credit cards, and he primarily paid
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: by cash. It is not known how much cash he
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: would have had on him, but the great-great-nephew on Reddit
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: suggested that he was actually known to have large sums
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: of cash on him. So I think maybe having large,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I think I heard this somewhere that having large cash,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: sums of cash is like a truck driver thing. Someone
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: from our audience, please confirm this or not. Like, is
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: it a real thing to have a lot of cash
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: as a truck driver?
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: I could see why though. Yeah. Because maybe back in
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: the day and even now, they would go into these
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: little towns and little places as a truck stop and
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: they wouldn't accept cards.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think maybe they have to pay a
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: lot of toll fees, things like that. When they realized
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: that the vehicle was abandoned and it belonged to Patrick
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: when they ran the license plate, they tried to contact
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: him at his apartment because this is, once again, contradiction
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: time here because I've read somewhere that he doesn't have
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: a cell phone. Right. other source mentioned that he did
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: have a cell phone. So we don't really know what happened,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: but I believe that the investigators actually contacted, tried to
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: actually contact him in his Reno apartment, but he did
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: not answer. So at this point, the family started to
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: worry about Patrick because Patrick would usually let them know
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: that he is back from this long trip. You know,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: he would maybe make a phone call back home when
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: he's all good. Two of his son's went to Reno, Nevada,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: and they entered his apartment, which was empty. Seems like
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: he had never made it back. There was no sign
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: of him or his dog Lucky. Investigators then started searching
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: the area where Patrick's car was found abandoned, but they
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: did not find any clues as to what happened to
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: him or his dog Lucky. Authorities and family did not
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: think that Patrick could have driven into a desolate field
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: and simply walked away, especially due to his leg injury. Remember,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: he had a leg injury, so it would make long
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: distances by foot difficult. And apparently no usable fingerprints were
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: recovered from the car as well.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: So it seemed like he actually left the car.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: If he left the car. If it was him driving
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: to that location.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: But there were no other fingerprints, right?
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: No other usable fingerprints.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Not sure.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Curtis Cole, Humboldt County undersheriff, I believe it was
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: the undersheriff that was serving the area. He said that
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: They had received an eyewitness account from a trucker who
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: had seen an old man with a dog. We don't
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: know anything more about the sighting, but some trucker had
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: seen an old man with a dog and reported them missing.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: I feel like, to me, it seems like this has
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: to be potentially Patrick. Like, how many old men with
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: dogs would be there on that scene? on that road.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Additionally, there was another witness who reported seeing a dog
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: that matched Lucky's description. However, the dog was alone near
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: the same exit where Patrick's car was found. And this
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: particular sighting happened a few days after Patrick's car was found.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: So someone saw a dog. And I'm also thinking, Would
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: there be random dogs there?
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: That would match the description of Lucky?
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: And Lucky is, I would say, a very distinguishable dog. Like,
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: if you see it and you see a picture, you
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: could immediately say, yeah, that's a dog.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, you know, usually when we have sightings in cases,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: it's usually I'm already thinking, man, these are definitely not real.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Always.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: I have this... Because, you know, usually sightings do come out.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: We only hear stories how sightings come out like incorrect.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: But in this case, I feel like these sightings kind
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: of look credible to me. However, none of them were
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: confirmed by police. They were not able to confirm them.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: What are the chances that there was an old guy
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: with a dog and then a dog kind of matches
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Lucky's description in such a desolate rural area?
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, it has to be low.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Very low.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: It has to be.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: Low, right?
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: It's in the middle of nowhere. It's in the road.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: It's not as if it's in a town, village, or city.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I'm also thinking the same way. It is very...
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: It's them, I'm assuming. Yeah.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: But then why? They have a working car.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: This is so interesting. Maybe the car isn't... Drivable? Maybe.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I don't really know what that means. But.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: The police confirmed that it was okay, right?
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: It was operational and had gas, but they never, you know,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: I would love to know. if his car was actually...
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: If he could have driven his car out. Because I've
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: seen it mentioned that it was stuck in some sagebrush.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, maybe he was having troubles getting it out?
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, potentially. And maybe he carried... lucky out of the
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: car potentially.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: We don't maybe maybe the sightings were him trying to find.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Some help but then why not you know.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: But who helped him there should have been someone helping
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: him there's a lot of cars in the highway i bet.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Well people passed yeah someone passed maybe maybe there's a
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: chance that the person who reported the tip to the
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: police the trucker you know maybe He didn't stop. He
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: didn't stop for Patrick, yeah. And then he just didn't explain.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: But there must be someone who helped him. If, for example,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: you see an old guy with a dog.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: On the road.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: On the road. It's so easy to just pull over
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: and help the guy, you know?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. This is why this case is very strange to
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: me right now. It's very mysterious. It is mysterious. Like
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: what has taken place, unfortunately.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Maybe he actually also hitchhiked.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: But this is where, yeah, potentially, and then running into
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: like a killer, you know, usually, I don't know, that
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: would be very unfortunate.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: But it would be very contradictory because all of his
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: stuff is back in his car. Why not pick them up?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: That's another good point that you bring up here. So
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: this is where the case gets very strange and very bizarre.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: This is where things kind of become very bizarre, in
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: my opinion. They become bizarre when we take into account
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: there was another woman who went missing in almost this
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: exact same location. Do you know what I'm talking about?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: I know a little about it.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: So we are now jumping to another case that took place,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: I believe, five years prior, five years before Patrick went missing,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: when 62-year-old Judith Cassida went missing and her car was
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: seen at the same exact exit of that highway. So,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: there's another disappearance case that took place on the same
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: interstate that some think might have a connection to Patrick's disappearance.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: This case is of 62-year-old Judith Cassida, who drove away
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: from her home in Reno. On February 14th, 2006, which
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: was a Tuesday, and she disappeared without an explanation. However,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: before she left home, she had left a note for
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: her husband. In this note, she explains that she was
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: depressed and she was not happy with the marriage. She
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: expresses that she is leaving her husband in this note.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: By the time Judith's husband came across the note, she
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: was already gone. Judith was actually spotted at various points
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: earlier in her journey, including a McDonald's in Lovelock, Nevada.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: But after this, her movements are actually unknown. Three weeks later,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: her white Mazda pickup truck was found in almost the
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: exact same spot as Patrick's Subaru. It was found in
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: the same exact exit of I-80. Judith's truck still had
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: gas and was in good working order. There were no
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: obvious signs of foul play, but she was gone and
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: there was only a single set of footprints that led
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: away from the car. Interesting. So this is very interesting.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Because we have a situation, we have a real situation
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: here because I think if you don't look into this case,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: you don't think too much about this case, you might think, okay,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Patrick is an older guy, he gets lost and confused,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: and Judith expresses that she's depressed, she's leaving her husband, maybe,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: you know, self-harm, you know, if you just kind of
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: think about it real quick, but isn't it bizarre that
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: it's the same location? Isn't it strange that, I don't know,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: Judith's I guess you could definitely make a case for
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: self-harm in Judith's case because she's doing something, you know,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: like very drastic. But isn't it strange?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know there are only two people and
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: there's a heck lot more people driving past that road
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: every day. But then again, there were two people in
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: nearly the same area that just vanished. That's very odd.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe something happens when you park there.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Like a serial killer?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Or natural causes? I don't know. But maybe something is
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: happening in Vinimaka. Vinimaka? Maybe something is happening in Vinimaka.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: Because now Vinimaka is looking interesting.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: I think we need to look into it. Maybe there
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: are more cases around the area.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't run into it, but I didn't
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: really search for them either. But Winnemucca, Nevada right now
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: is looking very interesting to me. Something happens in this place.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Winnemucca? I still don't know how it's pronounced.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Something's taking place in that particular area.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe we have someone from Nevada listening. If you are
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: from Nevada and if you have ever ran across this
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: particular area, Can you tell us something more about this case?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: And can you also tell us how it's actually pronounced?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Maybe we should have Googled it.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we were never good with that. So now
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: this is what the police are saying about the case.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: And I was actually surprised. I was very surprised with
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: the police observation because most of the time in these cases,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like police really rule it out as a
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: But it seems like in this particular case, they're saying
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: it was not an accident. They are saying that the
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: first thing that police is saying is that there is
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: no evidence connecting these two cases. Investigators actually believe that
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Patrick was actually a victim of foul play. This is
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: where things get interesting because they are saying that, well,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: this is Curtis Cole, homebound. humboldt county undersheriff back in
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: the day maybe even up until now he says okay
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: he says this is his quote my gut tells me
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: there's two people involved just for the logistics just for
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: the ability whether something happened west of wells where he
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: stopped hey old man come on and get up in
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: the cab because you're tired. So I think maybe the
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  Speaker 1: undersheriff is suggesting that someone intercepted Patrick. This, to me,
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  Speaker 1: suggests that police consider a possibility where Patrick was taken
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  Speaker 1: somewhere in another vehicle while the other man, you remember
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  Speaker 1: the undersheriff saying he thinks two people involved due to logistics,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Undersheriff Legit tells us that he thinks there's a two-man
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  Speaker 1: operation here. One of them is controlling Patrick and Lucky.
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  Speaker 1: Another man is taking the green Subaru and leaving it
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  Speaker 1: in the same area where Judith Cassid's car was found
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  Speaker 1: five years earlier. So if police are legit... considering this
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  Speaker 1: as a possibility, are they saying that the same two-man
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  Speaker 1: operation could be responsible for Judith's disappearance? I mean, this
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: is something to think about. And I feel like this
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: is a big rabbit hole.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like it. Man, maybe we should make
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  Speaker 2: an episode about Judith.
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  Speaker 1: I was always under the assumption that Patrick's case is
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  Speaker 1: small in terms of what are we... What can we
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  Speaker 1: look into?
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  Speaker 2: I guess the possibilities of what could have actually happened
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: is bigger than the story itself. Because we're just grasping
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: what actually happened. It could be something as simple as
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: natural causes, or it could be something as scary as
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: there's a serial killer around that area.
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  Speaker 1: As I was doing my research, I was thinking to myself,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: maybe this is not the last time we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: Patrick's case.
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  Speaker 2: I would hope so, actually, in terms of the way
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: that there were updates. There were updates about them.
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  Speaker 1: I doubt that there's going to be any updates. But
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  Speaker 1: I think maybe we could come back eventually with a
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  Speaker 1: different angle to look at. Because I feel like this
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: case just opens up for such a huge deep dive
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: right now. So many things are happening right now.
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  Speaker 2: To be honest, for example, if Patrick died of natural
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: causes over there, he's just there around the area. will
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: it be hard to find his body? Because it's just
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: so vast, but at the same time, I don't see
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: any trees around.
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  Speaker 1: And how far could he walk?
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  Speaker 2: As an 86-year-old. He seemed like a very strong 86-year-old.
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  Speaker 1: But he had that leg problem.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he had the leg problem.
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  Speaker 1: Police also at some point apparently theorized that there could
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: even be a serial killer involved. And in fact, in 2009,
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  Speaker 1: FBI created the task force to investigate suspected serial killers
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  Speaker 1: who work as long haul truck drivers. Believe this.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's scary.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is believed that this could be a common
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: profession for a serial killer. Several known serial killers have
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: worked as truck drivers. This allows the killer to target
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  Speaker 1: victims in multiple different locations and give them the ability
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  Speaker 1: to leave the body along the way, complicating the investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Some sources are even suggesting that maybe the truck driver
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: whom Patrick was following could have been responsible for his disappearance.
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  Speaker 1: This driver has never been identified, and there is a
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: possibility that maybe Patrick and him actually ended up meeting
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: up in Elko sometime later that evening. There was a
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: public appeal for this truck driver to come forward, but
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: no one ever came forward. Now, on the other hand,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Patrick's family don't consider the possibility that Patrick was potentially
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: killed by a hitchhiker they don't think that he would
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: have picked up a hitchhiker and you know that's their
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: thing but I feel like they are still subscribing potentially
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: to the foul play I've seen that family apparently at
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: least at that point said that they think it could
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: be foul play but spinning back to what the police
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: are seeing apparently no person of interest has ever been
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: named in this case And we don't know what happened
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: to Patrick or his dog Lucky and Judith. All of
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: them have went missing in this one interesting stretch of highway.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of it in a hitchhiker perspective
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: wherein he picked up someone. And I'm trying to think
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: if it's actually sensible. All of his stuff are still there.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: If This was a serial killer, psycho, hitchhiker who just
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: killed him and Lucky out of what? Nothing? And left
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: his stuff over there?
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  Speaker 1: What do you think? To me, I don't really know
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: what to think.
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  Speaker 2: He could've stolen some cash. Could've stolen some stuff. Or
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: a sheet.
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  Speaker 1: So i think uh there are uh there are some
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: really good uh theories out here i feel like the
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: best theory that we had was the to me personally
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: i felt like the best theory that we had for
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: me was the theory provided by the great.
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  Speaker 2: Great nephew that lucky just did.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: A bathroom break and then at this point patrick you
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: know he was old he he had lucky for maybe
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: a long time it was his whole you know like
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: companionship i think he would have went for it to
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: save lucky i think.
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  Speaker 2: So until until you mentioned the witnesses.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: Statements that they were just walking together.
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  Speaker 2: They were walking together in the side of the road
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  Speaker 2: and when was this any idea Was it the same
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: day that the... Was it on the same day or
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: did they see them like maybe a couple of days?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: Like what was the timeline here?
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: We don't know this. This is a good question. We
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: don't know this.
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  Speaker 2: Because if it was on the same day that the
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: car was parked, then yeah, it's understandable. If it's like
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: one or two days, then it doesn't make sense.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: I agree with that. That is bizarre.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: What were they doing on the side of the road?
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so... I would say that Patrick's case, I would
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: like to come back into it eventually.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: For me, it's a very bizarre case.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Very bizarre.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: And to be honest, I don't know what to make
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: of it. Or Judith's case.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: To be honest, with Patrick's case, I'm leaning more into
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: natural causes. Mainly because sometimes the simple explanations are actually
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: what happened. And I don't think it makes too much
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: sense for someone else to be involved because there were
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: no traces found in the car. Only one, um, footsteps, footprints, right.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: And it could have been easily Patrick's and I just
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: find it more possible for him to have died around
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: that area.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Same. I have the same, uh, I think observation that
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  Speaker 1: for me, I would maybe lean towards initially. some sort
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: of a accident but i'm also not discounting foul play
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: at all to the point where i want to jump
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: back into this case eventually to.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: Focus more on the possibility of foul play.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: We have we have ways to further this uh case
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: discussion we have a lot of ways actually i could
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: think immediately things that i that we could still do
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: for this podcast um But unfortunately, I feel like for
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: this one, this is all we have prepared. But I
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: think we could definitely delve deeper into it. Please, guys,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: leave your take on if you would like us to
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: return to Patrick's case and what do you think happened here?
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe the answers are actually more simple than we think.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: I just had a thought. What if they were on
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: the side of the road asking for help and accidentally
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: there was a hit and run and then.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Someone hit their bodies?
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: Someone hit Patrick... and then hid his body, and then
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: that's why someone saw only the dog, only Lucky.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: That's a good possibility. It was dark.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: It was dark.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: Or maybe Patrick somehow slipped onto the road or something.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: And you know how sometimes when you drive here, you
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: see people in a rural place wearing a vest, like
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: those that glow in the dark? Yeah. And maybe it
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: was already getting dark, and he wasn't wearing anything, and
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: he was invisible.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is actually very good. Very good theory that
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: you just had.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: And someone just panicked and I don't know, maybe.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: This is a very good theory that you just had.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: I never considered this one. Actually, this is a very
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: strong theory because right now in my head, I can't
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: really think of why not.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe that's also the reason why the body is
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: not around the area anymore.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: He needed some help because his car was stuck. He
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: was with Lucky. He gets hit. Someone moves his body.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: Lucky is found the next day. Well, seen.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: Well, seen. And Lucky, the thing is with Lucky, it's
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: just easy for him to roam around the area and
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: just get lost, unfortunately.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: But it's just very bizarre that Patrick was never found.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: So the question is, was he still in that area
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: or was he out?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: This is a good, this is a very good thing
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  Speaker 1: that you just brought up.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I just thought about it before when
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: we were already wrapping up.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you mentioned this one because this is
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: something very good to think about. Well, very bad, but
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: it's interesting to think about. I would say let's wrap
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: it up here. Thank you guys for listening to our podcast.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Please chime in on what you think happened to Patrick
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: Carnes or Judith or Lucky. And I think we will
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: be maybe returning to this case eventually.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: I would love to return to this case. It seems
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: like there's a lot of possibilities still that we haven't
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: fully explored.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I agree with you on that. And thank you, Annette,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: once more for suggesting.
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  Speaker 2: You're amazing. Thank you so much.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you. And we will talk to you guys on
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  Speaker 1: the next episode. Thank you.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: See you very soon.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: Be safe.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: Bye bye.