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Talarico's CNN Town Hall: No Tough Questions, and Paxton Needs to Debate · KSEV Mornings with Craig and Wayne

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  And now, the Mob Guys, Craig Coglianese and Wayne Dolcefino,
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  on KSEV Radio.
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  This is the Mob Guys on KSEV radio. I am Craig Coglianese. He is Wayne Dolcefino.
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  We were singing My Way in the way it was...
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  But if we weren't, I was.
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  I was also singing it.
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  You couldn't hear me.
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  You didn't have your headphones on yet.
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  But the minute I heard you singing it, I was like, you know what?
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  Screw it.
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  I'll do it too.
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  So yeah, we're ready to go on today's show.
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  Did you watch Talarico last night?
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  I did.
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  And what were your immediate thoughts?
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  Well, look, I think he's a really, really nice guy.
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  He comes off as a really nice guy.
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  He does.
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  Yes.
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  He comes off as a faithful guy. Although it's not mine.
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  Right.
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  Right. No, but I'm not.
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  Well, no, I mean, I would say the question about abortion and the answer about the Bible
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  is where I lose him on faith. But he does seem like a guy who believes whatever his faith is.
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  Right. I mean, look, I gotta tell you, I was watching and one of my chat groups,
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  You know, besides for the, you know, the porn sites, one of my chat groups is What's Your
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  Point, which is a Fox 26 show, a Sunday show that I've done on a number of occasions.
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  I stopped doing it for a while because I just couldn't handle stupid liberals, but you know,
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  it's kind of hard to teach those people.
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  But about halfway through, Bill King, who is a guy who ran for mayor, right, who's sort
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  of an independent kind of Republican.
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  Smart guy.
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  But smart guy, very smart guy, said at one point texted, Talarico is hitting it out of
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  the park.
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  And if that is the typical independent, even skew Republican, a little bit person, I call
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  it the Cornyn people.
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  Right. What he thought is what a lot of them think.
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  Like, last night, they sort of went over the whole, they sort of ignored the six
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  sexes to two sexes transformation. I also hated the format.
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  Sure. I thought the format was bad. I thought the follow-up question,
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  when they do like the breakdowns,
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  the talking head breakdowns after it,
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  say nobody challenged him on any of the stuff
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  that he actually really deserved to be challenged on.
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  So did it come off beneficial to Talarico
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  for people who have no idea
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  what the right questions to ask last night were?
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  Yeah, but it's not,
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  I don't think he was asked the right stuff.
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  And honestly, even the question about the flu,
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  and I was like, yeah, how crazy is all that?
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  They just kind of moved on from it.
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  It benefited him without being more pressing.
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  There was all like that, that Catholic voter on, I don't remember her name, but I'm Catholic,
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  it's really important abortion and stuff.
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  And then there was, there's not this challenge.
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  They said, well, the voters are going to challenge Talarico.
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  I didn't really hear it challenge.
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  I heard the, please tell us that when you become a Senator, you're not going to just
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  vote with the New York, California, Chicago crowd.
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  And he gave the answer that, like, if I was going to script an answer in advance of what
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  I was going to say, and I don't do that very well because I just sort of say what I think
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  at the time I thought it without thinking about what it means five minutes from now.
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  But he said, I am not running to be a senator for the Democratic Party.
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  I am running to be a senator for all people.
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  All people, the two gender people, the five gender people, the binary people, the non-binaries.
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  Why not?
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  They, the thems, the he's, the we's, the guys.
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  It was like, of course you are.
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  But we all ... I'm hoping people are smart enough to say, of course you're going to vote
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  with the Democrats every time.
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  James Talarico, who is a very liberal guy, I also kept on hearing him say that while
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  he was in the legislature, he was the most bipartisan guy in the history of Texas government.
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  How many times did he say that?
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  I've worked with Republicans.
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  I like Republicans.
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  I do this.
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  I do this.
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  I pass this.
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  I pass this bill.
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  Well, one of my problems with this election, and I say this as a guy who, you know, sort
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  of keeps up, but I'd be honest with you, most people don't even know what happens in the
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  legislature.
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  They know the end, but they don't really know the sausage in the middle.
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  Talarico has cast thousands of votes, I imagine, even after its couple of years in committees.
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  Right now they're building a committee and they die.
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  I I have yet to hear a
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  Discussion or a campaign about not what he says
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  But what he does the best thing the Republicans can do with Talarico right now is to
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  Try to destroy his alleged authenticity
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  Mm-hmm. Amen because he's because
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  Amen.
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  Whether it's just BS or whatever he is,
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  or he's good at it, or he's,
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  look, he's a glib guy, he's, look,
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  don't take it any way, people who underestimate,
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  who go like straight to the, is he gay,
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  is he like, does he wear women's dresses, nonsense?
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  If we get past that, and just talk about
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  how somebody votes on the issues of the day,
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  I have no idea.
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  He's voted constantly to restrict any sort of,
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  you know, expansion of drilling here in this state.
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  He's very anti-gas, oil,
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  even though he said last night that he's a everything solution.
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  By the way, I want to say one thing.
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  When he said he was running to be a senator for everyone,
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  not the left, not the right,
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  the funniest thing about that is Trump has said that too,
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  because every politician says that,
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  on both sides of the aisle all the time.
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  But President Trump has said it multiple times.
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  He's like, I want to be a president for everybody.
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  Obviously, if it's something you celebrate when Talarico says it, you should celebrate
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  it when Trump says it.
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  But the reason they don't is they know that Trump is going to vote one way and we know
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  that Talarico is going to vote one way.
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  So Trump is not going to vote, but do other ... Yeah, go ahead.
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  So if Republicans get beat really bad, I'm going to run next time.
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  I'm going to campaign on the ... I'm not going to represent every Texan.
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  Only the smart ones.
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  That's great.
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  Need the stupid people vote. Yeah, well, I want if you're stupid vote for the other guy
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  No, and I'm sure we'll play some audio of Talarico as we go here, but I'll be honest like I was
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  Disappointed and I understand Bill King's reaction that you said earlier that he thought it was good
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  I was disappointed that he wasn't challenged more and the only way to have actually done that
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  Especially went to CNN town hall is to get Paxton on a stage with him
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  because if they allow Talarico by himself to control the way in which he represents himself
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  and don't have the opposing, you know, taking shots, hopefully well-prepped person going after his record,
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  no one else is going to do it. I'm not saying that Paxton should do it because I think he's incredibly well-equipped at doing this,
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  but he has to. And I don't think he's going to be bad at it. Yeah, right.
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  At this point after CNN, I think that Paxton has no choice but to debate
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  Talarico somewhere for that to take over from this.
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  If I'm Paxton, I lean into what President Trump says about me.
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  Okay.
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  I can wear an outfit that doesn't match, right?
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  And admit what we all know that he is not pretty like me.
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  Sure.
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  Exactly.
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  He's not a good looking guy like you.
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  He's not a mob guy.
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  No, he's not a mob guy.
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  And so lean into it.
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  Say, look, I'm not running for like, miss congeniality here.
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  I'm running to take Texas values to the Senate.
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  Yes.
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  You started with that commercial in his campaign
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  about this is Texas, this vegan, maybe gay, maybe not,
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  who cares guy is right. Yeah. But you're not trying to close with it. And I don't mean
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  cheap high school shots like you're in my office a lot. You come by visit. I do. And
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  My office is a non-stop stream of cheap
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  immature shots
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  That we discuss
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  We talk about lowest common denominator guy, yeah, right sure I
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  Almost wish I could have been a plant in that audience. I'm a Republican. Let me ask a couple questions
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  What second in time four months ago?
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  Did God come down from you, from the mountain, and tell you there weren't six sexes, but
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  there were two?
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  What was that moment like when you were saying, oh, oh my gosh, yeah,
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  I believe all that. But it's April and God has looked down on me and said, you know what?
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  It's time for two, not six. James, it's time to talk about two. Well, and also I will say this,
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  if you're someone who votes based on faith and I don't know the percentage, I would assume it's
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  higher in Texas than in other places.
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  I do think the abortion question hurt him.
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  And to follow up with the,
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  actually the 10 commandments are pretty definitive
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  that killing people is wrong
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  because he said the Bible is silent on abortion.
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  And I thought that was the best challenge
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  of the people that sat down and asked him a question.
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  That was just that woman in the audience
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  that said, you know what?
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  No, I'm gonna push back on this one.
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  And after the show,
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  because I watched the after shows of these stupid news shows on that kind of a freak.
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  They interviewed her and she said that his answer was no.
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  But that was the wrong answer. And she's right.
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  But there were a ton of those wrong answers. Look, it's fine to go on a show and say that
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  I like puppies and cats just the same. Right. But the but the reality is I don't like cats.
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  Okay, I never really have.
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  They're terrible.
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  I had two cats once and they peed on my bed and I got rid of them.
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  For me, that was a deal.
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  I like dogs.
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  Dogs are great.
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  But if no one says anything, if you say, I love rats, I love snakes.
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  Yeah, well, no, honestly, I have also been on the record multiple times saying that cats
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  are terrible and dogs are great.
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  But if I were to run for Senate of Dogs and Cats, I would say I'm going to be a senator
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  for both sides.
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  I'm going to be senator for all animals.
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  That's right.
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  All cats, the three-legged ones, the ones that pee in Wayne's bed, I will represent
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  them all.
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  All of them.
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  The handicap, the disabled, the faithful, the...
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  We're dividing ourselves into so many subsets.
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  We are.
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  That it's...
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  The environment is very weird because people are very weird.
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  Yeah.
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  It's true.
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  Amen. All right, we got to take a break.
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  A lot to get to, a lot to talk about on the Mob Guys.
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  Talarico probably a decent part of the show today,
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  including some clips of what happened last night.
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  Although both of us are in agreement,
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  we wish he had been challenged more,
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  and that's not going to happen unless we get somebody
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  that actually is opposing him in that room.
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  Quick break to the Mob Guys KSEV Radio, Voice of Texas.
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  KSEV Radio, this is the Voice of Texas, 700 AM,
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  and we are the Mob Guys.
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  I am Craig Coglianese.
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  He is Wayne Dolcefino.
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  We're very proud to be Italians.
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  Tomorrow, my cousin will be a third Italian on this show.
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  And then I think next week, we're going to have Steve Toth on
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  as far as guests are going.
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  And we're working on more because you know what's funny, Wayne?
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  Now is the time where they all start reaching out to us.
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  Because now it's that last window of get my message to as many people as possible.
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  Yeah, and that's why I end up, do me a favor, turn on my hand.
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  You always turn it down and I don't know why.
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  I do it during the break so we can talk easier.
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  Stop touching buttons.
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  Anyway, I continue my appeal to Ken Paxton.
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  I invite him on our show.
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  And he doesn't have to even be here.
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  We don't have to like look at him.
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  Let's just talk.
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  Yeah, I if he can he has to sell that he is a man of action
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  You know like a man of action
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  I forget that the movie would that
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  It doesn't matter he's got to be a man of action. Yeah, you've got to say look
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  Trump's right. I ain't the prettiest right
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  and I'm not the selena and and my life isn't like I
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  I made I made mistakes.
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  I made choices.
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  Right.
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  But people understand that people sometimes fall out of love.
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  I mean, it's not like he's out every night with a different stripper.
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  He's been pretty much with that same woman right or wrong for a while.
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  So own it.
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  Yeah.
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  Own it.
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  But but but tell people what you did while you were attorney general.
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  And look, I say this as a guy.
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  I've sued Ken Paxton over records because I think they do a horrible job on public records.
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  Wow.
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  I do.
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  I've criticized him, but I also will support the fact that at the end of the day for me,
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  I don't care as much about Talarico's positions on his own faith or morality or whatever his
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  deal is.
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  That's where my sort of libertarian side comes here.
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  I want to know that the guy I sent there is going to vote the way I would vote.
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  Right.
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  If I was there at the end of the day, that's all that really matters.
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  You can guarantee that Talarico that will not vote for anything.
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  I really want him to vote for not a tougher border.
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  Right.
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  Sure.
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  It's easy to say that.
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  Biden made a mistake. Where were all these people? Where was James Talarico's faith
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  voice when we were letting in every weasel, sleaze bag, criminal that come on in. Hey,
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  you know what? Here's a ticket. Come back in eight years for your trial. In the meantime,
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  have a good time in Iowa, right?
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  Yeah, no, you're right. What's interesting about it to me too is you said how many votes
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  votes is he going to make that actually reflect our values?
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  And you can go as far as to say like Texas values, voter ID is something like 95% of
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  Texans support voter.
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  It's something crazy.
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  I forget exactly what the number is, but it's very high.
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  And Talarico will absolutely not support Save America Act or anything like it.
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  But the way the question was asked, Craig, he got away with it.
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  He did.
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  because nobody asked, look, I asked questions, as you know, for
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  [unclear]. Yeah. So the question would, should have been,
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  why don't you support a law that requires people to show their
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  citizenship to get a voter's ID? They were talking about like,
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  gun permits, right, you can get a voting thing if you have a gun
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  thing, or if you have a tuna fish sandwich, or you have a
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  Walmart gift card, you can get a vote.
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  That's not what Save Act is about.
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  Save Act is making sure that the only people that vote here are citizens.
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  That's what people-
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  That's right.
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  That's the whole solution, the whole problem.
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  It's one of several things that you know when you actually send a Talarico to the Senate,
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  he will absolutely start voting.
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  Look, I've said it, I think, this way sort of before.
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  I think that both of these people,
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  Talarico or Paxton, if they became a senator,
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  is the kind of person that their side of the aisle
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  brings on television for a specific vote
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  where they really stood with the party
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  because both of those guys are gonna be extreme
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  in that corner and you want Paxton
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  because you didn't want Cornyn.
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  Cornyn was a guy who was not gonna be on TV a whole lot,
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  you know, leading a vote on some sort of bill
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  or even bringing a bill forward
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  that a lot of conservatives were excited about
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  because he wasn't that type of politician.
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  Both of these guys intend to be that and we don't want to send the one that intends to be that for the left
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  Can I can I like hawk my company for a minute?
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  So after this election, I would suggest that the Texas Republican Party fire all its media people
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  right
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  You remember when we started doing this show I said
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  Was years ago, right? Yeah, you and I met yeah, I said
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  But the Republicans every day on social media should be showing me something that is either
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  cheaper or better than it was.
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  There are so many things that have been done.
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  The oil and gas thing, you mentioned it, right?
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  Talarico got sort of a pass.
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  Like, I love oil and gas.
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  I love everything.
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  I'm an everything solution guy.
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  No, you're not.
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  I love those hydrocarbons.
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  Please, I want as many hydrocarbons as I can.
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  Right?
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  Yeah.
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  And we should have been shoving that up as you know what for the last month.
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  They should have played audio of him over the last few years saying how, you know, the
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  But it wasn't that deal.
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  It wasn't that kind of show.
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  I know.
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  And that was a Talarico pep rally.
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  Right.
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  It was.
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  And that's where you need a Paxton standing on stage being like, you've said multiple
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  times that you think oil and gas is hurting Texas and needs to be stopped
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  more or less. Here's your quote. Here's your quote, Ponyboy. We do have a call. We have Mark
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  calling from Chapel Hill. He wants to comment about something. Mark, what do you
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  want to say? Yeah, well I wanted to, I appreciate the show guys, but I wanted to say...
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  You talk about Paxton coming out and Wayne made a comment about him being a man of action.
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  Unless you've lived under a rock in the state of Texas for the last four, six years,
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  there's no, I mean, his actions dictate that he's a man of action, no pun intended.
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  He's done more for the state of Texas and the constituency than any Attorney General previously.
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  I mean, he's a, and I don't, I'm not one of these guys that whistled by the graveyard.
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  I am 100% confident Paxton.
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  Talarico will not get within five, six points of his Paxton.
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  Interesting.
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  I mean, there are idiots out there to vote for Talarico, but I'm not at all concerned
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  that Paxton is not going to be our next senator.
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  Man, I really hope you're right about that.
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  Yeah, and don't misunderstand what I'm saying.
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  I know, and you know, right, you're somebody that pays attention.
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  most people don't pay attention and they pick up headlines here and there.
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  There are a lot of people that haven't even started getting engaged in this.
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  Do I agree with you that Paxton will pull it off?
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  I hope so and I think you may be right.
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  That doesn't excuse the kind of campaign that has been run.
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  Nothing is guaranteed to Republicans.
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  I don't disagree with that, but let me ask you a serious question.
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  Both of you.
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  Have you ever heard, and maybe you have because of your profession, but I've never heard of
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  Gina Hinojosa.
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  Is Abbott afraid that somehow if people come out to vote for Talarico, then it's going
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  to be a pull through for Hinojosa?
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  Is that what they're concerned with?
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  Because I never heard of this person.
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  Yeah, Gina Hinojosa is somebody who's a good person.
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  that I'd never heard of at all.
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  And I doubt, maybe Wayne did know.
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  Go ahead.
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  No, but in an election, and again,
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  look, I don't believe polls, right?
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  I lie to pollsters.
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  I don't believe, I do.
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  I lie to pollsters.
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  Right, somebody will put that out and just say,
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  I lie to pollsters.
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  Yeah, I really like those left-winged freaks
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  as the ones I want.
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  But I will say this,
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  if the polls are fairly accurate,
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  Well, and it seems like internally the Hispanics are in Texas are moving away from the Republicans
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  Yeah, because they don't like the way ice has done his job if that is true
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  It is very possible that a woman who is Hispanic
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  Could do well if you look at our local elections here, but Chapel Hill, it's kind of loud
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  Let's let's put them on hold for a second. Yeah there if you've got an Hispanic name
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  like you could be like you could be dead.
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  If you have an Hispanic name in this town,
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  you're gonna get 30, 35% of the vote
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  because you're gonna go, oh, there's that white guy.
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  And there is my fellow Hispanic person.
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  I wanna say one other thing though,
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  because I always dismiss the polls.
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  I very much agree with the caller
• 22:51
  that the polls are crap
• 22:52
  and with you that the polls are crap.
• 22:54
  But I do pay attention to a couple things
• 22:56
  that I think can reinforce what the polls seem to be saying
• 23:00
  to make me more likely to believe that some mixture of it is true money and then also
• 23:06
  Kalshi.
• 23:06
  I'm really interested in the betting markets and how they go now because I don't think
• 23:10
  they're influenced politically.
• 23:12
  Those guys want to make money.
• 23:13
  Kalshi seems to think that Talarico will win Texas.
• 23:17
  The betting money is on him and then the money being flooded into Texas right now by the
• 23:22
  Republican Party, by Trump super PAC, by so many different things indicates something
• 23:27
  Something very different than what was true before, which is the party seems to think
• 23:33
  more money is necessary to win this fight.
• 23:36
  I really don't think that the average Texan would vote for Talarico, that the average
• 23:42
  Texan's values are reflected in Talarico, but if there's not a huge turnout, and if
• 23:47
  a lot of this money and a lot of these expectations wind up being accurate, there is a chance
• 23:52
  that Talarico can somehow sneakily win something he doesn't deserve to win.
• 23:56
  Let me, I can let the, I'll go ahead.
• 23:58
  If the Cornyn people stay home.
• 24:01
  Yeah, we're screwed.
• 24:01
  Because right now, Paxton's polling about 86% among Republicans.
• 24:06
  Yeah.
• 24:07
  He's got to be in the 90s.
• 24:08
  If those Cornyn, like sort of rhinos, whatever you want to call them, they stay home.
• 24:14
  We're screwed.
• 24:14
  Go ahead.
• 24:15
  I want you to respond to that because it's not just the polling that convinces me the
• 24:18
  number is going to be closer than 4% to 5%.
• 24:22
  Yeah.
• 24:22
  Well, again, I get the polling and there's polling and then there's polling of likely voters and there's action people got to get off their ass and go and vote.
• 24:30
  And most of these Talarico loudmouths are not going to get up and go vote.
• 24:35
  I hope not.
• 24:36
  The Republicans go vote like they will in the midterms.
• 24:39
  It's typically older people like myself that are going to go out and make the effort to vote.
• 24:43
  So I'm convinced Paxton has got it locked up.
• 24:46
  Fair enough. Well, thank you for calling me back if I'm wrong.
• 24:48
  No, no, no. No, I don't want you to be wrong.
• 24:51
  Thank you very much for the call.
• 24:51
  Yeah, from your mouth to God's ears.
• 24:53
  Yeah, please.
• 24:55
  Yeah, and I don't, again, don't want any of that to be true.
• 24:58
  I just think that it's more than polling at this point.
• 25:00
  There is money and there is betting markets and there's all these things that seem to
• 25:04
  all think that Talarico has a real shot to win Texas, which a couple months ago sounded
• 25:10
  crazy to a lot of us and now seems more and more likely to potentially be possible.
• 25:16
  All right, we'll take...
• 25:17
  Go ahead.
• 25:18
  It's the Mob Guys on KSEV Radio.
• 25:20
  All right, we'll take a break.
• 25:21
  We'll come back with more after this.
• 25:23
  Now back to KSEV Radio and the mob guys.
• 25:26
  Hey, all right.
• 25:27
  Well, we got more calls.
• 25:29
  I believe this is a fairly regular caller to the station.
• 25:32
  His name is David.
• 25:33
  Let's bring David on.
• 25:34
  I believe if this is the right David, he's the guy in California and he doesn't want
• 25:38
  to talk about anything we're talking about.
• 25:39
  He wants to talk about something else, which is okay.
• 25:42
  David, what do you want to talk about?
• 25:45
  Well, you know, as you're talking about politics...
• 25:48
  We are.
• 25:49
  You know, one of the tricks that America has never really taken advantage of is to make the politicians do something before election day, not wait for some promises.
• 26:00
  Sure.
• 26:00
  Let's get them to do something before election day.
• 26:03
  Well, hold on, David.
• 26:05
  So by that, you mean the ones in charge, because the ones who are running who aren't in power can't do anything.
• 26:11
  You're talking about the ones in charge.
• 26:13
  Sure.
• 26:13
  Yeah.
• 26:14
  And I think that really hurt Kamala Harris' presidential run,
• 26:16
  is that she was saying what she was going to do as the Vice
• 26:19
  President, continue.
• 26:22
  Right.
• 26:22
  So as the headlines in the Forbes magazine
• 26:27
  and business times, all sorts of different business magazines,
• 26:32
  have been noting that the hospitals
• 26:35
  are shutting down like crazy.
• 26:38
  Texas is about to lose 84 different hospitals and that comes to 51% of the rural hospitals
• 26:49
  in Texas are going to shut down because of that big beautiful bill.
• 26:53
  Oh gosh.
• 26:54
  Now wait a minute David.
• 26:56
  He's going to save money.
• 26:57
  Now wait a minute David.
• 26:58
  David, I want to...
• 26:58
  David, hold on.
• 26:59
  Hold on David.
• 27:00
  I want to do this as a back and forth.
• 27:02
  I want to be respectful to each other.
• 27:03
  I promise I'll let you talk.
• 27:04
  You got to let me respond to some of what you said.
• 27:05
  You said the reason these hospitals are closing is the big beautiful bill. Do you think that's a fair complete?
• 27:13
  Description of why they're actually closing well the truth though Wayne is there are hospitals that are closing
• 27:19
  So it's it's that's what all the now, but do you read well hold on you could believe I had no
• 27:25
  Do you read more than the headline David do you go into the content of the article and read it?
• 27:29
  Absolutely.
• 27:30
  Okay, so what are the other reasons that the hospitals are closing other than a pullback
• 27:35
  on Medicare spending?
• 27:36
  What are the other reasons that they're closing?
• 27:38
  The cost of living has gone up so high and nobody's raising a bit of a wage.
• 27:41
  See, this is the problem.
• 27:43
  The reason that they're closing is they have staffing issues, is they have care issues,
• 27:47
  is that there's a lack of patients in some of these hospitals.
• 27:49
  The choice to close some of them in rural areas is that they're not actually performing
• 27:54
  well and when you pull back federal funding you lose crappy hospitals.
• 27:59
  There are still hospitals in the area of every single person in Texas if you need one.
• 28:04
  Even the rural people, they didn't lose all their...
• 28:07
  Sorry, go ahead.
• 28:07
  We're pretty cavalier.
• 28:08
  You're pretty cavalier with the lives of 51% of the rural hospitals.
• 28:13
  They have hospitals they can access, David.
• 28:16
  Oh, I want you.
• 28:17
  Oh my God.
• 28:18
  Okay.
• 28:18
  Look, can I be cavalier for a second?
• 28:20
  Yes, please.
• 28:21
  I want to be cavalier.
• 28:22
  Yeah. Right. So we passed a bill that said if you want this, you have to be legally here
• 28:31
  and you have to get off your arse and work to get the benefit. Right. All the, I mean,
• 28:40
  we are so mean, right, that we actually expect someone to do something.
• 28:47
  That was Russell.
• 28:50
  To do something in exchange for the benefit.
• 28:53
  Yes.
• 28:54
  And there's a million and a half people.
• 28:56
  So if a hospital is making all its money on fake lazy people, fake citizens, then I'm
• 29:06
  sorry.
• 29:07
  But in the big beautiful bill, whatever they call that bill, well, I thought it was a dumb
• 29:13
  name when they did it, but whatever.
• 29:14
  But in that bill, they set aside tens of billions of dollars for rural hospitals.
• 29:22
  So the rural hospitals could be closing because, as you said, and this is an immigration question,
• 29:30
  that a lot of the nurses, we're having trouble finding nurses, and a lot of the nurses are
• 29:34
  coming from the Philippines or wherever they come from.
• 29:40
  That's an immigration issue.
• 29:42
  But if you're a hospital and you spend all this money on equipment and people, and like
• 29:46
  once a week someone comes in with a gunshot because they shot themselves while they were
• 29:53
  bailing hay, right?
• 29:54
  It's not like the big city where people shoot each other for nonsense, right?
• 30:00
  Maybe that's also why you go out of business.
• 30:03
  Well, here's the thing though, and we can bring David back on in a second.
• 30:06
  He says 80, okay, we won't bring that back.
• 30:09
  He says 84 rural hospitals are closing.
• 30:11
  That's not true.
• 30:12
  They're in financial jeopardy of closing.
• 30:14
  Only 21 rural hospitals in Texas have closed
• 30:17
  since the start of 2025.
• 30:18
  Out of the 153 we have in this state.
• 30:22
  And all of the hospitals that have closed
• 30:23
  have done it because they had staffing issues.
• 30:26
  They had all kinds of financial threats
• 30:28
  that went well beyond the big, beautiful bill.
• 30:31
  And honestly, or because they're in rural areas,
• 30:33
  this is the type of headline
• 30:35
  that makes a liberal person like David claim Trump wants to kill people and it's
• 30:41
  so far from the truth it's so irrationally disconnected to the reality
• 30:46
  and every study I've looked at that dives into this topic says that any
• 30:51
  person in rural Texas has easy access to a hospital it's not like the the
• 30:55
  commute has gone from five minutes to an hour and a half if you live rural it
• 31:00
  might take you 35 minutes 45 minutes to get somewhere but they haven't closed
• 31:03
  them to the degree that someone just doesn't have one anymore. That's the other thing David wants to say.
• 31:08
  Go ahead. Okay, before we bring David back on, I just want to say that I want the rural people to
• 31:14
  suffer. I think that's really the truth. He is getting. No, we should be honest. Okay. That
• 31:22
  our goal is to make sure that if you live in a ranch raising food and cattle, yeah, providing
• 31:29
  for the country. That I want your family to suffer in the dead of night because the hospital,
• 31:35
  because I want to close your hospital to make you die. That's what he's really saying. That's
• 31:42
  what he's trying to claim is happening. David, if you want to respond, you say 84, it's actually 21,
• 31:48
  there's others that are at risk of closing that have not closed yet, and you simplify this
• 31:52
  conversation to say that we're cavalier with lives when it's not accurate, that anyone in
• 31:57
  Texas doesn't have access to a hospital within a similar distance to anyone that closed.
• 32:04
  David, you're up like I say, you're you creeps are you're not conservative.
• 32:10
  A conservative would beg to have a hospital within 50 miles.
• 32:15
  You're trying to put all your house.
• 32:17
  That made no sense.
• 32:18
  And I don't know why I don't know why you have to I don't know why you have to go to
• 32:21
  like insults.
• 32:22
  I don't.
• 32:22
  Yeah, I didn't call him a creep.
• 32:24
  I didn't call him an idiot.
• 32:25
  He seems like an idiot, but I didn't call him one if I didn't call the left
• 32:30
  How are we not conservative you're not you're not intelligent let's let him go
• 32:35
  It's fine. He can go because it just doesn't make any sense the way David does that look
• 32:40
  I want to campaign. I want a hospital on every block
• 32:45
  farmer Road 23
• 32:47
  Okay, that makes him happy.
• 32:49
  They what?
• 32:50
  Well, and honestly, that is, I really feel like, that's a very good example of the game
• 32:55
  that gets played in media so often.
• 32:57
  Where the headline is, Trump is closing 84 hospitals in Texas.
• 33:01
  21, not 84.
• 33:02
  A lot of the other ones that are struggling, not doing it just because of the big beautiful
• 33:05
  bill.
• 33:06
  And our healthcare system is broken.
• 33:08
  And one of the ways to fix it is actually to stop wasting money that's getting sent
• 33:12
  places that aren't doing a good job.
• 33:15
  You want good places to succeed.
• 33:16
  not bad places.
• 33:18
  Hey, go ahead.
• 33:18
  Yeah, go ahead.
• 33:19
  We need to provide health, it's a human right.
• 33:23
  Right.
• 33:24
  If you have a farm and there's not another farm for five miles, I think we should require
• 33:31
  hospitals to open up halfway between your ranch and the other guy's ranch.
• 33:37
  Why don't we just have the state pay to put one emergency care doctor at every farm throughout
• 33:42
  the country?
• 33:43
  Why don't we just have your own individual hospital?
• 33:45
  And you know what my biggest frustration is?
• 33:47
  Is like I hear a Talarico last night say, healthcare is a human right.
• 33:55
  Great.
• 33:56
  How much is that going to cost?
• 33:58
  And how do you do that without raising taxes?
• 34:01
  I would have asked the question to Talarico, would you commit tonight to not raising my
• 34:07
  taxes?
• 34:08
  You know what's really interesting about that?
• 34:09
  When I was living in Chicago, I got a emergency appendectomy when I was like 23 or something.
• 34:14
  And I just went to the closest hospital to me, and I remember talking to a host at a
• 34:18
  radio show that I was producing at the time.
• 34:20
  And when I told him which hospital in Chicago I picked, he was like, oh, oh, that wasn't
• 34:24
  a good call.
• 34:25
  And it was relatively cheap, and it was, you know, I didn't wind up, like, you know, getting
• 34:29
  screwed financially, but I'm pretty sure they didn't do a good job.
• 34:32
  To this day, I've had two other surgeries to fix hernias that occurred because of it.
• 34:36
  And part of me even wonders if I even needed it.
• 34:39
  And so we have to be honest.
• 34:41
  There are hospitals that are great at the job that they do and there are hospitals that are not and by and large the ones that
• 34:47
  Will be closing are the ones that are in rural areas that people themselves don't even go to because they don't think the care is
• 34:53
  Very good. God. You're sounding so like
• 34:57
  conservative like the notion that some people are better at their jobs and others and we should we should fix that
• 35:06
  We should, for the stupid people, we should provide them government intelligence support so they're not quite as stupid.
• 35:15
  That's what makes everything better. If you give people free money from the government, of course they do their job better.
• 35:21
  We've seen that before. Quick break, a lot more. KSEV radio, it's the mob guys on The Voice of Texas.
• 35:28
  You know, or as our last caller, what was that
• 35:38
  guy's name?
• 35:39
  David, David in California.
• 35:41
  David called me a creep.
• 35:42
  He did.
• 35:42
  And you know what, David?
• 35:44
  Yeah, I'm a creep.
• 35:45
  Yeah, so.
• 35:45
  Okay.
• 35:46
  And you're an idiot.
• 35:48
  Can we move on?
• 35:49
  Yeah, we have more calls.
• 35:50
  Keep going.
• 35:51
  Dale is calling in.
• 35:52
  Dale, what do you want to say?
• 35:55
  Well, Chris, I think.
• 35:56
  Craig.
• 35:56
  My name is Craig.
• 35:59
  I think we can start off by saying that you and I aren't going to agree on policy.
• 36:02
  We know that.
• 36:04
  But you said something.
• 36:05
  Can you at least agree on what my first name is?
• 36:09
  Yeah, Craig.
• 36:10
  I said yeah.
• 36:11
  Craig, because I want you to interview me.
• 36:12
  My name is Craig Dale.
• 36:15
  Oh, well you know what?
• 36:18
  Let's start over again.
• 36:19
  All right, let's see.
• 36:20
  Okay, here we go.
• 36:20
  We're not going to agree on other stuff, but let's get my name.
• 36:22
  Okay, go ahead.
• 36:24
  You said that you made the comment that
• 36:26
  Talarico is gonna win a race that he
• 36:30
  doesn't deserve. I don't think he's gonna win.
• 36:32
  I think he's got a real chance to win.
• 36:34
  I didn't say he's going to win.
• 36:36
  But you said at a race he doesn't
• 36:38
  deserve, well to me, if I was a Republican,
• 36:42
  I wouldn't say does Paxton deserve to win this race?
• 36:45
  Yes. Because he's really not campaigning.
• 36:48
  Okay, now he didn't. To me, effort should
• 36:50
  It's a lot, but it's like he what he started campaigning a week ago
• 36:55
  Wow, so he I will respond I will respond to you and we can do this as a back-and-forth
• 37:00
  The reason that Paxton deserves to win is that he better represents the average Texan in his values and their values and the reason
• 37:07
  Talarico does not is because even though right now and actually it's only been about a couple weeks that he's been doing this
• 37:13
  He claims as though he's further in the middle all of the evidence all of the voting and all of the previous
• 37:18
  audio from things he said, you know, when he's represented Austin, have
• 37:23
  demonstrated that he's not in the middle, he's on the left, and he's
• 37:26
  misaligned with the average Texan. That's why one deserves to win and one
• 37:30
  does not. Go ahead, Dale. Well, then I guess you're saying that the average
• 37:35
  Texan talks about faith in family and moral values, but it's really not that
• 37:41
  important to you, so you're gonna go ahead and vote for Paxton. I believe... Hold on, hold on, Dale. I
• 37:48
  Do you think that's true?
• 37:52
  Well, we run in different circles.
• 37:54
  Do you think that's true?
• 37:55
  No. Do you think that's true?
• 37:57
  I'm not asking about your circle.
• 37:59
  I don't care about your circle or my circle.
• 38:01
  Does the average Texan support abortion?
• 38:03
  Yes or no?
• 38:07
  No, but I don't know if you make the whole thing.
• 38:08
  Okay, so which of the two candidates supports abortion?
• 38:12
  Is it Paxton or is it Talarico?
• 38:15
  Well, of course it's Talarico.
• 38:16
  Okay, does the average Texan believe that oil and gas
• 38:20
  is an important industry that we need to do
• 38:22
  as much as possible to lift up in this state?
• 38:25
  Does the average Texan believe that?
• 38:28
  No.
• 38:29
  That's where you're wrong.
• 38:30
  That's where you're wrong.
• 38:31
  The average Texan understands the financial value
• 38:34
  because a lot of Texans in a lot of rural areas
• 38:36
  work in energy.
• 38:37
  So not only do they understand it,
• 38:39
  they're probably somewhat connected to it.
• 38:41
  So again, they understand the value in propping it up.
• 38:43
  Talarico has fought hard against it up until the other night when he claimed to be an energy for everybody.
• 38:50
  Was it interesting to hear him disagree with himself last night because of how much Talarico believes that oil and gas is an area that could hurt him in this election?
• 39:00
  Did you watch the CNN town hall last night?
• 39:03
  No, I did not.
• 39:05
  But again, it goes back to the, it goes back to, you're telling me all these things you
• 39:10
  hear from Talarico.
• 39:12
  So that means that you're hearing him.
• 39:14
  That means that it's out there.
• 39:15
  So I'm not sure what you mean by.
• 39:17
  Okay.
• 39:18
  Can I, can I, yeah, go ahead, put them on hold.
• 39:21
  Can I, can I be honest for a second?
• 39:23
  If Paxton could not talk and could only sit in a chair, I look at me, I say inappropriate
• 39:30
  things.
• 39:31
  If he can sit totally disabled in a chair, I would vote for him.
• 39:39
  If he could not like, if he couldn't walk 10 feet on the campaign trail, I would still vote at the end of the day.
• 39:49
  And he's entitled to vote for Talarico all he wants.
• 39:51
  I will vote for the guy who, when the big votes happen, I know that he will vote pretty much like I will.
• 40:03
  And the other guy will vote against what I want.
• 40:08
  Yes, I simple as I don't care about his wife. I'm sorry
• 40:13
  I'm sorry that his marriages and we're gonna that
• 40:17
  I'm not hiring
• 40:19
  Like I'm not hiring a priest right now hiring someone to to to pursue
• 40:27
  The same political things I want you
• 40:30
  Yeah
• 40:30
  And I want to ask Dale one more question does the average Texan support border security does the average Texan believe that our border and our
• 40:38
  state, which deals quite a bit with the fallout of having a wide open border.
• 40:44
  Does our state or believe in border security?
• 40:45
  The answer is yes.
• 40:47
  The average Texan believes in border security.
• 40:49
  I don't know if Dale is still on hold and if he wants to get his answer to that.
• 40:53
  I'm still here with.
• 40:53
  Okay.
• 40:54
  Yeah, I'm still here with so does Talarico.
• 40:56
  Talarico does not actually.
• 40:58
  Talarico's voting record disagrees with what he said last night.
• 41:01
  But, Talarico's positions on Biden and on every administration that he has been a senator
• 41:09
  for disagrees with what he's been saying over the last couple months.
• 41:12
  Go ahead, Wayne.
• 41:13
  Yeah, and I was going to say that I'd invite Dale to scour the internet and do research and find
• 41:21
  the clips of Talarico during the Biden administration saying, this is insane.
• 41:29
  All these criminals are coming in.
• 41:31
  We need to shut that border down.
• 41:34
  If he will find me that clip, and I'll take your time tomorrow, he can find the clip.
• 41:45
  And this goes back to the Republican spin.
• 41:48
  That spin, dude.
• 41:49
  It's what people say.
• 41:52
  How is what he said before Republican spin?
• 41:56
  When I play Talarico ... I'll do it after we end this call.
• 42:00
  I will play Talarico in his own voice while he was a representative for Austin saying the things we're saying about him
• 42:07
  How does us playing his his positions spin his current positions?
• 42:13
  How does it do that it all like it exposes him as a liar Dale?
• 42:18
  Okay, if I've heard it a thousand times and I've heard y'all play the clip that uh when Talarico says that we need a
• 42:26
  Welcome mat at the door right?
• 42:28
  Correct.
• 42:28
  He did say that, yes.
• 42:30
  I've heard that a million times, but you left out right after he said we need to welcome
• 42:34
  that.
• 42:34
  But a lock on the door.
• 42:36
  I've actually played that audio before.
• 42:36
  We need a lock on the door.
• 42:37
  I've actually played that audio before.
• 42:39
  But that never gets...
• 42:39
  I actually have played that audio on this station before.
• 42:42
  Hey, I don't wanna welcome that.
• 42:45
  Well, you're one of the few that have played it all the way through then.
• 42:48
  Yeah.
• 42:48
  I'll have to give you credit for that.
• 42:49
  Well, I thank you.
• 42:50
  We also played it on the Amigos.
• 42:52
  When I produced the Amigos a few weeks ago, we played it.
• 42:54
  Go ahead.
• 42:56
  But again, I've started the call saying we're not going to agree on policy.
• 43:01
  I'm just, your quote, if Talarico wins this race, it's going to be because he could have
• 43:06
  more effort than Paxton.
• 43:08
  So I just have a problem with your- Well, no, but he's also-
• 43:11
  With your quote is saying- You know what, Dale?
• 43:13
  I'll agree with you there.
• 43:15
  I don't know if it was money or what, but Paxton has done what he did in the other two
• 43:19
  rounds of this.
• 43:19
  He was less prominent than he should have been.
• 43:22
  He's on the campaign trail now.
• 43:24
  I went to an event he held here in Houston. I think he may have hired some people who did the Biden campaign
• 43:32
  He has he has been places he is on the trail he is he's not just sitting at home
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  And he's not saying that he has the flu
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  But he has not done as much in as big of platforms as Talarico has done
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  And I think the reason why partially is there's more platforms that are available only to Talarico and in order for Paxton to get
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  a public platform, he's going to have to debate Talarico.
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  I don't think that's right, Craig.
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  I don't think he has to debate Talarico.
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  To get the biggest platform?
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  Yeah, well, maybe to get the biggest platform.
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  Who's putting him on TV alone?
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  Look, there are plenty of conservative on social media to spread a message.
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  You can buy Facebook ads.
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  You can.
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  You can do all kinds of stuff.
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  If Paxton would sit down with some selected people, I don't care if his campaign pays
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  me to do the interview with him. It wouldn't stop me from asking him the tough questions.
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  But you can't even find a soundbite of Ken Paxton. He has a press conference and he invites
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  reporters and then they ask him questions that aren't exactly what he's having the press
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  conference about and they say, oh, move along, move along. We're not going to answer those
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  questions today. That's the kind of bad messaging. Yeah. And maybe there are why are you afraid
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  of the question? We all know that Paxton cheated on his wife. Right. Come on. Who cares? Stupid.
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  Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't I don't mean who cares. I honestly think that's horrible. But
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  like, I would say who cares in the sense that it's not new news. It's it's obviously a conversation
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  that's been out there. And it doesn't impact his ability to be a senator. It doesn't have
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  correlation to that. I don't care if President Trump had nine wives I wouldn't have cared and I'm not I'm not like a Muslim
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  harem guy I'm just saying. Oh we gotta go we gotta go.
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  AM 700