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Neurofeedback: A Game Changer for Cognitive Wellness - Episode 292 · Gladden Longevity Podcast

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  Welcome everybody to this edition of the Glad Longevity Podcast.
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  I'm your host, Dr.
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  Jeffrey Gladden.
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  And as always, we're answering life's big questions here.
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  How good can we be?
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  Global question.
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  How do we make a hundred to new 30?
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  How do we live well beyond 120?
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  How do we live young for a lifetime, youthful, vigorous, vivacious At the same time, how do we develop a 300 slash 3000 year old mind?
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  And today I'm going to be speaking with
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  She's the CEO of Executive Medical Texas.
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  Her name is Judy Gaman.
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  And we had a really lovely conversation about what's going on in her clinic.
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  Some of the technologies that they're using to actually map brains help people because of that and combining it with neurofeedback.
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  Some of the impact that red light and infrared light are having not just on optimizing health, but on actually rescuing people from
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  various disorders.
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  think you're going to find, even though this is a fairly short conversation, I think you're going to find it interesting and enlightening.
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  Welcome everybody to this edition of the Gladden Longevity Podcast.
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  I'm your host, Dr.
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  Jeffrey Gladden.
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  Today I'm joined by Judy Gaman, who's the CEO of Executive Health.
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  And Judy is going to be discussing with us some interesting things that she's been working on with regards to executive health, if you will, but really having to do with brain
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  optimization, which is a topic near and dear to us.
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  think that
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  Pretty much all of life comes down to optimizing the nervous system, if you will.
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  So this is going to be kind of right up that alley.
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  So Judy, welcome to the, welcome to the show.
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  Well, thank you so much.
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  And executive health is definitely something that we focus on at Executive Medicine of Texas.
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  And I'm excited to be on and to be talking about these topics.
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  I mean, they're great and they're timely.
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  Who doesn't want to have their brain working better?
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  yeah, absolutely.
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  So tell us a little bit about it.
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  I think you, well, tell me, let me ask you, how did you come to be involved with this and how did you come to be the CEO of this company?
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  this, uh, just give us a little bit of a running start on, on how you got here.
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  Yeah, I think it's interesting to even see how executive medicine even came to be.
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  And that was two of our founders were literally just feeling like they were hand tied by what was going on in medicine.
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  Having to call and get approvals for tests so they knew their patients needed.
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  And sometimes on the other side of that phone would be.
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  I don't know, it be a physiatrist deciding whether a child was going to get a CT or something to that effect.
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  And he just said, you know, we need to treat patients like family.
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  What would we do for our family?
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  So really, executive medicine was, it was a napkin idea.
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  And so during that time, I was...
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  I was very intricately involved in the beginning of that.
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  And then over time, especially after being able to kind of grow within that company, the company's now 20 years old, and the needs of the company had changed, the growth had
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  happened, there were more physicians being hired, uh PAs, we have a chiropractor on staff, functional nutritionist, and really just the whole wellness that was growing and went
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  through the ranks and became the director of business development.
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  and then when the company got to a point where we were like, we really need a CEO, I knew the company inside out, backwards, forwards, and really knew really what was on that
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  napkin, know, back to the napkin, what was the core of what we wanted to be able to accomplish.
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  So that's how I ended up in this space.
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  Okay.
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  Well, beautiful.
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  That's a, that's a lovely progression really.
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  Um, so one of the things that you are focused on is this, um, idea of mapping the brain.
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  Um, and there are many ways to map the brain.
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  Actually there are MRI scans, functional MRI scans, EEGs, different kinds of EEG, functional EEGs, uh, et cetera, evoke EEGs.
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  So, um, maybe you can walk us through a little bit about what it is you're talking about here with brain mapping.
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  Yeah, so for us, how we even started to get into brain mapping is we started seeing a few things.
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  We do cognitive assessments on all of our patients as part of their executive physicals.
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  And we would listen to what are they complaining of, what's going on?
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  A lot of times we're seeing athletes that have had traumatic brain injuries.
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  We see people that have gone through grief processes.
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  We've seen all of these things, but really how we got to the point that we said we want to map brains was a very interesting
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  because we're often approached by different companies and different people saying, hey, you should offer this or we look into this equipment or this technology.
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  And over time, you know, it's a lot of times we're like, it's not something that we want to do because there's nothing we're going to do with the results.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I actually went to a neurologist's office because they wanted us to test this equipment and it was for brain mapping.
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  I'm like, okay.
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  I was a little skeptical to be honest.
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  And I was like, okay.
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  Well, I went through the process and during that time there's like a cap that goes on your head and they connect the things.
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  So you were talking about an EEG.
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  It's very much an EEG, but you're also doing things.
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  So it's a functional EEG and it's tracking your responses during these commands.
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  And...
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  So like an evoked EEG, so you're basically.
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  It's different than in a Vogue.
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  It's a lot more in-depth than in a Vogue.
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  uh The system we use is called a Wabi.
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  And for this particular test, when I got done with it, the neurologist said, you know, want to show you your results.
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  Give me about an hour.
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  And then we sat down at a table and I looked up at the screen.
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  And I said, are all those red spots?
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  And he said, well, green is good, red is dead.
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  That's kind of the theory.
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  And then he asked me something very interesting.
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  said, Judy, know, what I see on your brain right here tells me that, did you have like a traumatic event or something like real recent?
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  And I had not told him anything.
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  And of course, I burst into tears.
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  And I said, yeah, two weeks ago, my sister died tragically.
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  He said, yeah, and this is what's going
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  not in your brain.
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  He said, this is the grief center.
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  And he explained to me, he's like, are you having trouble like remembering things?
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  And ah he was asking me very pointed questions.
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  I'm like, yes, every yes to all the things you just said.
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  And he said, well, that's exactly the part of your brain that that tries to compensate when you have grief.
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  And he showed me what my brain was doing, which completely correlated with what I was feeling and the circumstances I was in.
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  So at that moment, I was I was like, my God,
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  We can have so many uses for this.
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  This is something we need to bring into the practice.
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  But then my very next question was, well, okay, great.
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  But now what am I going to do about it?
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  You know, it's good to know I have this, but what I'm going to do is we can go through some neural feedback.
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  this was just fascinating to me.
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  so basically with neural feedback, what we do is we put some clips on the ears, we put some things on the head, and we listen to music through the earbuds.
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  And the music will skip and the
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  depending on where you're at in the stage of what needs to be repaired in your brain, your brain will hear it or maybe your brain doesn't hear it consciously but maybe
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  subconsciously.
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  And what happens when you get in the car and the radio station doesn't come on or statically?
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  Automatically you want to turn the radio off because nobody likes the sound of static.
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  So there's these little static blips.
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  And when my brain hears that, it really tries to reconnect those synapses.
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  And then it just, you go through these processes
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  I went through, I think I went through six weeks and I think I did three times a week for six weeks and it was a game changer for me.
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  It was absolute game changer.
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  Nice.
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  Yeah, that's great.
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  So this is called the the EEG you're doing is called a Wabi.
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  Okay.
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  W-A-B-I.
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  ah Yeah, I think it's W-A-V-I.
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  AVI, Wavi, okay, got it.
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  And yeah, neurofeedback.
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  I have some experience with neurofeedback as well.
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  I've done a number of sessions and things like that.
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  So um yeah, very interesting.
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  you're doing this um probably, well, you're doing it um based on somebody's symptoms or some of the other preliminary findings, but.
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  It's interesting if you were to do this on everybody that walks through the door, you'd almost find something quite honestly, it seems like almost everybody's brain has something
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  going on.
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  So, um, how is it that you're, that you're actually using this?
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  Are you, do you have particular criteria for the people that you, um, test or how does that work?
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  had we some people that that actually request it, you know, we'll do if they request it.
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  But generally, we're looking for things, you know, are they coming in complaining of ADHD type, know, adult ADD or ADHD type.
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  Are they an athlete that has some concussions?
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  Do we have uh somebody who's just having even some mild mood changes, but we've already checked into their hormones or doing certain things.
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  You know, there are reasons that we may do it and it may be that somebody just says, I want to have it done.
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  And we have scanned brains on people that have said, I just want to have it done, I want to see what it looks like, know, I brain map.
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  And they're good, you know, they're good.
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  So we don't find something on everybody.
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  not everybody needs neurofeedback, but yeah, but even if we find, even if we say you're good, we say this is great because now we have a baseline.
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  So if you should develop something or you're in a car accident, God forbid, or anything happens to happen, we know what your brain is capable of.
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  We know what's the normal point at this stage.
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  So we know where to look from here.
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  Nice.
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  um Okay.
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  And so you do the neurofeedback and that becomes your primary intervention, it sounds like.
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  um Just explain neurofeedback to people in terms of the number of sessions it might take or the frequency or things like that.
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  Yeah, it really it really matters on what the goal is.
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  You know, we do this a lot for like insomnia and that might be a shorter sessions.
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  It might be that we're going to do it twice a week or maybe three times a week and we're going do it for three weeks.
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  We get something like grief.
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  We might go to six weeks.
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  We get something that is like a traumatic brain injury.
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  Maybe they were a football player and or professional athlete or even gosh even high school these days and they've got some some issues and we're kind of working
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  through that.
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  It may be that we do a round of six weeks and then we say, okay, we're gonna take a break and then we're gonna come back and repeat this in a month and we do another round.
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  But it's really provider specific.
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  There's so many things that go into that.
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  Because that's not all that we do, it may be that we're looking at micronutrients and other things.
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  There's a slew of things that we do.
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  So we wanna get the big picture.
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  what's going on with the hormones balance, are your micronutrients getting into the cells, where are we at on the bigger picture, and then how does this fit into the treatment plan.
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  Yeah, I think that's really important in brain health.
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  We find that thyroid is really critical.
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  so one of the things that we do is we look at resting metabolic rates on everybody because we found that testing blood thyroid hormone levels is not really adequate to understand
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  what's happening.
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  The other thing we do is we look at genetics to see if somebody can convert T4 to T3 in the brain with a DIO2 gene.
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  And so if we know their challenge there,
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  And with the resting metabolic rate, if we see they're on the low end of what would be considered normal, then yeah, then we tend to optimize that.
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  People are hovering around the, you know, let's call it 100 % with 85 to 115 % on a resting metabolic rate would be in the first standard deviation or would be considered
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  normal.
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  You know, if they're at 86%, we're gonna work on that.
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  We're gonna look at iodine levels.
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  We're gonna maybe even prescribe thyroid at that point in time.
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  We don't really...
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  At that point, we don't care what the thyroid numbers show because we know the gold standard is really the resting metabolic rate.
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  But that's interesting.
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  If you're listening to this, you should know that the resting metabolic rate is only looking at general global systemic respiration, not the brain specifically.
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  And that's where that DIO2 gene becomes important because the brain's separate from the rest of the body.
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  And when you can't convert inactive T4 to active T3 in the brain, then
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  It's you're guaranteed to actually need T3 in combination with T4, even T3 alone.
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  We had a woman come in, it was very high functioning in her 50s with a concussion that she suffered on a bike accident, worked in medical device sales and was at a major medical
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  center here in Dallas that everybody knows and was in their concussion clinic for I think two and a half months, not making any progress, know, like worried that she might lose her
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  job.
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  Right.
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  And, um, and so we tested her resting metabolic rate and it was normal.
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  All her thyroid numbers looked normal.
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  We tested her DIO two gene and she was homozygous for an inability to make T three from T four in the brain.
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  The only thing we did was give her a small dose of T three.
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  Cytomel, um, because she wasn't hypothyroid and she graduated from the concussion clinic in a week.
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  Right.
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  So.
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  your life, Dr.
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  Witten.
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  I mean, that's, that's, it's all about the pieces of the puzzle and, being able to
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  I think, deconstructing it thoroughly enough to actually understand where are the entry points?
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  What's actually going to help this person?
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  Yeah.
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  You know, I love to hear you really looking at the science and looking at the brain and finding ways to really get to the root of the problem.
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  I do think in the medical industry and specifically in this space of private pay medical, you see a lot of these like weight loss clinics and different places that are just
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  prescribing blindly thyroid.
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  And it's so dangerous and it's so worrisome.
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  So when I hear you
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  I just applaud you for really going that extra mile.
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  And how many people would have looked at that woman and I feel like this is so unfortunate this happens, but looked at her and said, oh, you antidepressants, know, or maybe there's
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  something going on psychologically.
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  It varies greatly to people needing antidepressants.
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  They're just so overprescribed.
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  Yeah, they are.
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  And I think what we find is that a lot of people are quick to jump to a therapy, not knowing really if the therapy is indicated or or not, or whether it's the only therapy
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  that's indicated.
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  Right.
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  So to your point, I like the fact that you're checking micronutrients and doing other things because there are many things that contribute to brain health.
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  Certainly hormone optimization is massive.
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  Right.
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  Particularly if you've got APOE4 genes.
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  I mean, you have to have estrogen in the brain or male or female.
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  It doesn't matter.
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  or your brain is really not going to do well over time.
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  So we're testing many, many, many things here, plasma levels, uh EEGs, uh all kinds of things, right?
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  Because uh it's really like, how do you actually find the entry point to optimize the brain?
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  It's so critical for everyone.
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  Yeah, super cool.
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  And you know, one of the things that we've seen, I don't know if you're seeing this on your side, especially post vaccine and post COVID, we're seeing a lot of adult Epstein
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  Barr infections and they're really unleashing, unfortunately, things like MS, oh if they've had lung disease before.
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  just recently had a case of an Epstein Barr reinfection.
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  oh And the crazy thing is this particular patient had
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  the the herpes zoster, the shingles, uh reactivated in their body and they got shingles on their cornea.
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  So no rash to face, no rash to the head, but the visual changes and then of course going through the ophthalmologist realized that there were shingles on the cornea.
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  So it's really getting to the bottom of that, you know, what is the real cause?
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  What's really going on here with this particular patient?
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  Yeah.
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  And then having therapies where you can actually decrease the viral load, you know, you can use things like Ibu, plasmapheresis.
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  You can do things that will actually improve mitochondrial function for people with all the long haul symptoms.
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  Many things that we were able to take care of once you actually deconstruct it and actually understand what's happening.
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  So, yeah, I think this is the path forward.
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  I think this is really medicine's path forward is deeper understanding before prescribing and realizing that.
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  that a medical test is really the way I describe it to clients is that medical testing is kind of like um a particular lens, right?
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  So humans have one lens in each eye, right?
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  So we have stereoscopic vision, but a fly, a fly has many lenses in their eyes, right?
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  So they have a compound eye and medical testing is kind of like looking at things through a compound eye.
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  One test will give you one perspective, but you've got to combine it with another test to give you, so here you got anatomy, here you got physiology, here you got function in
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  another way.
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  And it's piecing those together so you get a clear picture of actually what's happening.
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  So it's impossible to say, well, I had a CT scan done and it looked okay.
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  Well, okay, that's one lens, but we need more lenses to actually see this thing clearly, right?
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  And I think that's you're in the middle of doing as well.
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  So really important.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I love hearing you talk about that, that we're going to use that.
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  I hope you don't mind.
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  And we're going to adopt that fly lens.
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  That's a great analogy.
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  I think a lot of people can understand.
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  But it's not something that the usual, I call it the HMO treadmill, that the HMO treadmill allows for.
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  It doesn't allow the doctor enough time or enough tools in the insurance type practice to really get to the root of these problems.
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  And I feel like there's too many band-aids.
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  A lot of times the band-aids are the wrong band-aid.
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  You know, so.
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  Well, yeah, when you're on a treadmill and you only have 10 minutes to talk to somebody or whatever, I mean, it's very difficult to actually deconstruct a problem effectively.
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  So you're basically a lot of times, unfortunately, people are shooting from the hip.
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  God bless them.
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  They're trying to do the best they can, but they just don't have the tools because they're handcuffed to the payers and the payers aren't going to pay for this test.
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  And then they're handcuffed to the therapies because only this therapy is approved.
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  And, know, the next thing you know, it's like you're you're, don't know.
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  you're a captive, right?
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  Even if you want to do the right thing, you can't do the right thing.
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  So yeah, that's difficult.
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  Yeah, very difficult.
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  Yeah, very cool.
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  So tell us a little bit more about um some of the red light stuff that you're doing.
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  You're doing some things with red light.
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  We know that actually laser and red light can also be very therapeutic for the brain.
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  So.
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  You know, there's a few things that we do.
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  We have a uh platform where it's a vibration plate, but it's a rocking vibration plate.
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  that tends to, if we use that and then we put the patient after that into red light therapy.
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  And we have these big panels.
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  And I know red light's a little bit different in different places, but the way we've set ours up is we have two full body panels.
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  And they're fairly close together so that when you're in the center of them, you're about 12 inches away from either side.
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  And then we have them on a grounding mat.
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  And then we also use a little bit of therapeutic music in there.
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  We call this, yeah, we call this bio waves.
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  So we know, and you know, you probably have talked about this
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  podcast before that the red light near infrared light works really well in the mitochondria.
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  So, you know, some of our patients are like, I love it.
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  I look so young.
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  My hair is growing and all of that.
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  But for us, it's about let's get your immune system back in check.
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  Let's heal some of these things from the inside.
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  you know, now we don't use it for this, but there have been some recent studies that this high dose red light near infrared light on the even on
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  scalp and even the front of the head has worked really well for some of these degenerative diseases like Parkinson's and such.
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  So we're seeing a lot of great things happening with red light and near infrared light.
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  It works a lot for athletes.
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  know, there's a great performance.
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  People that have, you know, their muscles hurt and all of that.
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  But there's just so many uses for it.
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  there's, you know, the side effects just aren't there, you know.
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  So this is one of those things that you can
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  step in and you're going to feel better.
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  I don't know if you've seen this with red light with your patients, but we see people say they've never slept so good.
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  They sleep really well after red light therapy.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, we use red light here to some extent.
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  We use laser as well.
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  So we have different modalities of light, but light is really critical.
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  And the brain really loves light, quite honestly.
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  um So even shining, if you had a laser and you shined it, shown it basically just on your head for five minutes, the brain reacts well to that.
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  Right.
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  And then there we have a red light cap where you can wear it.
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  it's right.
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  So these kinds of things.
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  Do you guys use the capulis or something similar?
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  Similar to that.
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  And so, and then we're doing transcranial magnetic stimulation here also for rebuilding brains, right?
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  Things like that.
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  then peptides and stem cells and other stuff.
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  but uh yeah, all of it, all of it can fit together, particularly if you've done a deconstruction properly to actually know what, what is the issue here, right?
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  So, yeah, very, very cool.
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  the thing, not pigeonholing the patients.
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  Every patient's got to be different.
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  if you take the pieces of the puzzle and you put them together, everyone's like a mosaic, right?
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  If you can kind of look at what does their picture look like, and they're all different, and then what's the best path forward?
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  And then what are their goals?
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  Because some people have different goals.
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  We may look at a patient and say, OK, if we didn't ask them, we might think their goal is they want to lose weight, or they want to this, or whatever they are.
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  But the more they talk to you about
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  goals, the more you really can understand what they're not able to achieve.
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  Because this is interesting when you have somebody that says, I just want to go up a flight of stairs and not get short of breath.
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  And you're like, how long you been short of breath when you go up a flight of stairs?
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  You know, because any sort of thing, this could be a cardiac issue, you know, where let's get to the bottom of what's really going on.
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  And why is this your goal?
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  And why was there a sudden change?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  No, that's right.
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  The other interesting thing about that is, um, you know, as people get better, their goals change, right?
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  So if you get them to the point where they can walk up the stairs, it's like, well, you know, now I'd like to be able to play with my grandkids or now I want to, you know, be
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  able to walk the golf course or whatever it is.
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  Right.
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  So, uh, I think as a, as a practitioner, it's always important to kind of look at that bigger picture.
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  We always try to take people's aspirations completely into account because we want.
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  So to attain those, but in our minds, sometimes we're looking beyond those aspirations into, okay, well, if we hit that and then what's next for them kind of thing, right?
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  So, yeah.
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  Yeah, it's so true.
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  Do you do telomere testing where you are?
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  Yeah, we do too.
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  I think sometimes that's a good wake-up call for the patient.
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  We're like, okay, let's see what's going on with your telomeres and let's get a little bit of a biological age on you.
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  And then, yeah, it's a wake-up call.
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  Yeah, lots of really, really interesting things.
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  um The other thing for the audience to understand is that a lot of these therapies alone will have an impact, but when you kind of lace them together or sequence them together in
• 24:43
  particular ways, you can have a compounded effect that can be really quite dramatic.
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  You like you fixed the thyroid, you fixed the hormones, you're, you know, you're doing the neurofeedback.
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  Now you're doing the red light.
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  You know, you get the sequence and you get the
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  the integration of these technologies together and all of a sudden you make progress that much faster or that much further than you might have, you know, if you just fix this or
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  that, right, or just use this or that.
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  true.
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  And like you mentioned earlier, you add peptides and, you know, uh there are a lot of peptides we'd like to use.
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  Some of those have been pulled back.
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  we all know Big Pharma usually is behind when peptides get pulled back because they are so effective.
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  And we've seen so many great things happen with patients and peptides.
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  But, you know, even with the ones that we can use right now, mean, we use them in conjunction, like you mentioned, with other things.
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  And it is about like a multifaceted prescription.
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  encryption, if you will.
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  That doesn't come in a bottle, like a little tiny pill bottle.
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  That's right.
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  That's right.
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  Yeah, very, very cool.
• 25:44
  um So m what's on the what's on the horizon for you?
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  What are you most excited about at this point in time?
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  Yeah, so there's a lot of things, but I would say from an overall standpoint, not just a scientific standpoint, but if we just look at the shift that's going on in America, people
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  are waking up and they want to take ownership of their health.
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  And I think when that happens and now we have a lot of people talking about this and we're past the whole odd thing that was going on with, I don't know if you...
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  caught wind of this, but there was, I don't know, like two years ago, was like, pages don't want to be weighed anymore because it's oppressive if you weigh them and tell them
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  they're weighed.
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  We're like.
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  Got it.
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  Yeah.
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  But I think, you know, just as an overall, I'm really excited about the shift and people realizing that if they're going to get better and they're going to get healthy, they got
• 26:44
  to have a dog in the hunt and they've got to kind of understand what's going on.
• 26:49
  From a scientific standpoint, we just got this new technology, so I probably don't want to get too deep into it because I don't understand it quite as well.
• 26:57
  It hasn't been shipped to us, but we just sent some dogs for some training on something called StemWave.
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  And I love about, I don't know you're familiar with stem wave, but the one thing I love about it is we can treat some of these things like plantar fasciitis and Achilles
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  tendonitis, and even hip issues and such without having to use steroids.
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  And we really want to not use steroids if we can do it this way.
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  And these radio waves and being able to break up that scar tissue and get the blood flow going back.
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  And it just makes such a big difference.
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  Carpal tunnel, there's so many uses for it.
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  that'll keep patients out of the operating room and then keep them off of things that are gonna do more damage than good.
• 27:40
  Yeah, no, that's, that's wonderful.
• 27:42
  Yeah, that's great stuff.
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  yeah, very, very cool.
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  Well, it's, it's fun chatting with you.
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  I think you're right.
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  I think what's interesting to me is to see how, um, the conversation, like the term longevity or health optimization or things like that has really kind of made it into the
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  vernacular.
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  Whereas when I started doing this in 2012, it was, you know, it was a little bit like,
• 28:08
  What are you even talking about?
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  So, but it's interesting to see that there's so much uh swell of um enthusiasm for this.
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  And I think I believe, and then I'm going to give a lecture here I mentioned to you uh shortly this afternoon.
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  And I'm telling people that I really think aging is going to be cracked in the next three to five years.
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  And the reason for that is because
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  Number one, we're doing so many things already that are having a dramatic impact.
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  And number two, uh when you start to layer in the effects of quantum AI uh and its ability to optimize systems and biology itself, I mean, the power of these chips are just
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  phenomenal.
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  I don't know if you've been tracking the Marana chip or the Willow chip out of Google and what they're figuring out when they combine it with, you
• 29:03
  Voyager 1 or the JWST telescope or some of the data.
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  What they're basically finding is that these quantum chips can find signal inside the noise that was completely missed by supercomputers.
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  So all of a sudden you're learning things about the cosmos, about what's out there that you...
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  mean, everything you thought you knew about physics, think again, it's really being completely rewritten.
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  And what's exciting is I think we've had such a Newtonian concept of
• 29:33
  of biology and medicine.
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  We think it's like a receptor and a molecule and this is how it works, but there's so much going on really in the quantum level inside cells.
• 29:45
  being able to um talk about really deconstruct and reconstruct things, I think there's going to be uh a lot more leverage on the system to actually be able to turn back the
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  clock for people.
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  So I'm super excited about that.
• 30:00
  Yeah.
• 30:00
  I completely agree.
• 30:02
  I completely agree.
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  And the use of AI within the systems that we'll use in the office, within the technology that we bring in, being able to assess things.
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  There was some we looked into about three, four years ago and the technology wasn't quite there, but I think it'll be there this year.
• 30:22
  And it literally was a posture analysis that it basically scans, what does a video of you while you do these particular
• 30:30
  movements and in that it can tell you the exact areas which muscles are weak which whatever and it really goes into the neuro like we have a neuromuscular therapist here it
• 30:41
  really would make that job so much easier because we okay here's here's the prescription oh because you can find it that easily because it's been fed all this information you know
• 30:52
  people with
• 30:53
  rotator cuff tears or things, not necessarily a full tear, but partial tears.
• 30:58
  Different things are fed into it.
• 30:59
  So when they can't do particular exercises or they lean a certain way or they move a certain way or they don't have balance a certain way, it's just immediately spinning out
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  what the best, you know, the best modalities are going forward.
• 31:11
  Yeah, no, it's fantastic.
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  Really.
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  It's fantastic.
• 31:14
  You know, I just saw something on Pompeii yesterday where they had used uh the Mahorana chip, right?
• 31:23
  Microsoft's quantum chip.
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  And they were actually able to reconstruct using the chip, the eruption of Mount Vesuvius.
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  And they were able to rebuild the city and they were able to track how people were moving.
• 31:40
  in response to the volcano and the pyroclastic flows.
• 31:44
  And they discovered that the Stoics and the uh people that were kind of in the religious centers were actually staying behind to help people and that other people were fleeing uh
• 31:55
  and family systems broke down.
• 31:57
  It was kind of like every man, about 60 % was every man for themselves.
• 32:01
  Other people were trying to help other people.
• 32:03
  And then you had sort of the spiritual leaders that were kind of staying behind, so to speak.
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  And of course,
• 32:09
  They were killed, of course, but it was really interesting to actually be able to reconstruct even the frescoes, even from fragments of things that AI could rebuild the
• 32:18
  city.
• 32:19
  And when you think about the power of that, um and you think about applying that sort of technology to biology, right?
• 32:28
  I mean, my gosh, I think maybe three years is too long before we actually get some stuff really.
• 32:36
  Right?
• 32:37
  Yeah.
• 32:37
  I don't know.
• 32:38
  Did you see this?
• 32:39
  I thought this was fascinating because you mentioned that
• 32:42
  We've kind of had these beliefs about the human body for so long and we've told ourselves these things for so long and now we're finding these things out.
• 32:49
  And I don't know if you saw us in these, but I found this fascinating.
• 32:52
  That forever, like when an egg was fertilized, they've always said, you know, it was the sperm that swam the fastest that did this.
• 32:59
  I don't know if you saw it, what they've decided or what they figured out.
• 33:03
  I don't know exactly how they did it, but they released a study to now know from microscopic level and from biological level.
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  that what happens is the female egg chooses which one.
• 33:14
  It opens long enough for that one, it shuts down, shuts the others down.
• 33:18
  So it's so fascinating.
• 33:23
  there's similarly.
• 33:24
  signaling going on that's saying this is the right one.
• 33:27
  She's saying this is the right one.
• 33:29
  This was right.
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  And amazing.
• 33:31
  Right?
• 33:33
  Yeah.
• 33:34
  There you go.
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  And that's why we're all here.
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  So one egg and one serve says hello.
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  And there we are.
• 33:43
  So all the mothers can tell their children, I did choose you.
• 33:47
  There you go.
• 33:48
  Well, we do have Father's Day coming up, so there's something to be said there.
• 33:52
  Well, great, Judy.
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  It's been a pleasure chatting with you.
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  Thanks so much.
• 33:56
  Yeah, great stuff.
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  Okay.