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The Kenny Report | 1 December · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lone from the skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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  Speaker 1: Kenny Report. Tonight, the nation's national energy self harm revealing
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  Speaker 1: itself to all with warnings about the risk of blackouts
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  Speaker 1: and demands for yet more costly investments. I'll speak with
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  Speaker 1: the Shadow Energy Minister, Dan Tian and energy expert Aidan Morrison.
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  Speaker 1: Also autism diagnoses go through the roof. As the NDIS
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  Speaker 1: funds more than two hundred and twenty thousand children across
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  Speaker 1: the country. Claire Row will help explain all this. Irish
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  Speaker 1: activists continue to drive division over Israel and the Prime
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  Speaker 1: Minister heads off on his honeymoon. Sophie Elsworth, Gematon Uni
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  Speaker 1: and Caroline Drusso all joined me. Let's get cracking. Our
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  Speaker 1: national energy self harm, as I've called it for years,
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  Speaker 1: continues to be revealed, Prices soaring, reliability plummet, and only
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  Speaker 1: worse to come. You know, I've been saying this and
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  Speaker 1: writing this for a decade or more, and finally the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the country seems to be waking up. And
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  Speaker 1: finally too, the Coalition has realized this is the number
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  Speaker 1: one issue where the Labor, Greens and Teals Alliance can
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  Speaker 1: be called out for their reckless policies that are driving
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  Speaker 1: up inflation and the cost of living and undermining our
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  Speaker 1: economic future. Forget net zero, that's a pointless slogan used
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  Speaker 1: by the left and the media as global emissions rise.
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  Speaker 1: What matters is the energy system that underpins our whole economy,
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  Speaker 1: our whole society, and that's in a mess and getting worse.
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  Speaker 1: The Energy Market Operator's latest System Security report contains yet
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  Speaker 1: more warnings about an unstable electricity grid where costs will
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  Speaker 1: keep going up and blackouts are an increasing risk. The
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  Speaker 1: report is full of jargon, but points to the need
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  Speaker 1: for large batteries and other machinery to provide system inertia
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  Speaker 1: and synchronous electricity as more coal fired power stations are
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  Speaker 1: forced out. If this doesn't happen quickly enough, operational intervention
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  Speaker 1: may be required by the market operator up to thirty
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  Speaker 1: percent of the time at a significant cost to consumers
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  Speaker 1: to avoid severe consequences. And it says without synchronous condensers
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  Speaker 1: in the new South Wales system, there could be periods
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  Speaker 1: without enough synchronous power to keep the grid inertia, putting
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  Speaker 1: the whole system at risk. Yeah, it's a pretty worrying situation.
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  Speaker 1: Just to ask South Australia, which went dark nine years
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  Speaker 1: ago and sped a fortune then on diesel generators to
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  Speaker 1: protect it into the future.
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  Speaker 3: Or ask Spain and.
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  Speaker 1: Portugal, where they lost the lot in a catastrophic blackout
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  Speaker 1: earlier this year. With New South Wales and the nation's
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  Speaker 1: largest coal generator are rahring due to clothes in less
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  Speaker 1: than two years, the situation is set to get a
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  Speaker 1: lot worse. But just like it has for years, as
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  Speaker 1: prices have gone up and reliability has plunged, the market
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  Speaker 1: operator tries to assure us that it's all under control.
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  Speaker 2: You'll hear the name synchronous condenses.
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  Speaker 4: There's a big spinning machines on the grid that really
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  Speaker 4: keep a stable heartbeat, and they need to be in place.
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  Speaker 5: Before the closure of major coal fired power stations.
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  Speaker 1: These coal plants are just getting old.
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  Speaker 2: They are going to retire.
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  Speaker 1: If they're not withdrawn, they're going to break and we
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  Speaker 1: need to be ready for that. What this blog deliberately
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  Speaker 1: leaves out is that it's government policies and market rules
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  Speaker 1: that are deliberately forcing coal fired power out. They're forcing
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  Speaker 1: the coal generation out, but they haven't found a way
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  Speaker 1: to reply, so now they spend more money to try
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  Speaker 1: and keep the cold going longer, and they're still in
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  Speaker 1: a bind. And while this mess unfolds, a Climate and
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  Speaker 1: Energy Minister Chris Bowen has been more interested in flying
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  Speaker 1: to Brazil and pretending that he can save the planet
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  Speaker 1: when he should be on the tools back home fixing
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  Speaker 1: the shambles created by his obsession with renewables.
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  Speaker 6: We're very concerned about the energy grid's capacity because we've
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  Speaker 6: got massive failures from this government. We've got a part
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  Speaker 6: time energy minister managing a part time energy grid.
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  Speaker 1: As we've told you in recent weeks, energy experts, the
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  Speaker 1: people running the electricity generators and retailers are telling us
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  Speaker 1: that power prices will keep going up for at least
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  Speaker 1: a decade, and the Australian newspaper today unveiled a series
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  Speaker 1: highlighting the damage that power prices are doing across the economy.
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  Speaker 7: Electricity prices went up thirty six percent.
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  Speaker 6: Overnight, increasing in forty percent for the next twelve months.
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  Speaker 2: More than doubled in the last four.
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  Speaker 8: Months, over one hundred percent over the last five years.
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  Speaker 1: As I've been saying repeatedly, this stuff is only going
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  Speaker 1: to get worse. It has to because of the amount
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  Speaker 1: of money being tipped into the system for generation, for transmission,
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  Speaker 1: for storage and for firming power. All that's spending to
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  Speaker 1: be recouped with a guaranteed rate of return in perpetuity.
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  Speaker 1: No other country is even trying to do what Australia
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  Speaker 1: is trying to do with a renewables primary focus in
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  Speaker 1: the grid. Yet we have Labor, Greens and teals politicians
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  Speaker 1: pretending it's the only way forward.
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  Speaker 9: So this is an important warning, one that the government
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  Speaker 9: will take seriously and if assets need to be extended,
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  Speaker 9: that'll be a decision for New South Wales. But importantly
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  Speaker 9: AEMA also identify that the best and quickest and cheack
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  Speaker 9: way to replace these exiting cold fire power stations is
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  Speaker 9: with renewable energy, and that's what our plan is.
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  Speaker 1: The reality is that the Albanezy Labor government has created
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  Speaker 1: an energy disaster because it's pursuing the nonsensical goal of
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  Speaker 1: net zero emissions by twenty fifty, a target that is
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  Speaker 1: impossible to reach, that will not be reached, and which
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  Speaker 1: would do nothing to improve the climate even if it
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  Speaker 1: was reached, because global emissions continue to rise. So net
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  Speaker 1: zero is a joke. And all the while we're seeing
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  Speaker 1: more environmental destruction as land is cleared for renewables projects
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  Speaker 1: and for transmission lines. This latest controversial case in western
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  Speaker 1: New South Wales is where dozens of native birds have
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  Speaker 1: had to be rescued. Yet still the rollout continues and
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  Speaker 1: the politicians cheer it on, but some are starting to
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  Speaker 1: wonder when the public might run out of patients to
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  Speaker 1: this from the New South Wales labor premium.
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  Speaker 8: Nothing will pull community support for this energy transition quicker
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  Speaker 8: than reliability and costs spiking even further than.
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  Speaker 10: It is today.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm acutely aware of that because we want this
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  Speaker 2: to work.
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  Speaker 1: But isn't that what's already happened. I mean, we've had
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  Speaker 1: blackouts and there are more on the way, and we've
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  Speaker 1: been told not to use our dishwashers on hot days,
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  Speaker 1: and power bills have doubled. They've doubled during this so
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  Speaker 1: called transition. Our consumers and voters supposed to be happy
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  Speaker 1: about that? Are they supposed to accept that even though
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  Speaker 1: they were told prices would go down, and even though
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  Speaker 1: this is driving up inflation and the cost of living
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  Speaker 1: and undercutting our national economy. After faffing about on this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Since Scott Morrison signed up to net zero in twenty eighteen,
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  Speaker 1: the Coalition is finally on the right side of the argument,
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  Speaker 1: and as reality unfolds, the facts back its position every
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  Speaker 1: day of the week.
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  Speaker 11: There are two.
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  Speaker 6: Things at stay here. One is cost, which is escalating.
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  Speaker 6: The other is reliability, and neither of those has been
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  Speaker 6: properly recognized by this part time energy Minister.
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  Speaker 1: Lee needs to get her state colleagues on the right
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  Speaker 1: track too. An energy rich country with energy resources the
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  Speaker 1: envy of the world, one of our great economic advantages,
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  Speaker 1: and we've deliberately destroyed it and turned ourselves into an
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  Speaker 1: energy basket case. What genius The lucky country becomes the
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  Speaker 1: dullard country. One of the reasons the public debate and
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  Speaker 1: political response on the energy disaster has been so slow
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  Speaker 1: is that much of the population has been constantly fed misinformation.
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  Speaker 1: The climate hysteria has been talked up, the energy disaster
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  Speaker 1: has been talked down. Media have pretended that climate change
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  Speaker 1: is already hurting us, and they've pretended that a switch
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  Speaker 1: to renewable energy can fix the climate. All of this,
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  Speaker 1: of course scientifically and factually boulder dash, but it's constantly
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  Speaker 1: put out there by labor, Greens and teals, politicians, by activists,
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  Speaker 1: by the taxpayer funded media, and a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: other media which leans green left too, And you won't
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  Speaker 1: believe the ABC. Last night, I want to show you
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  Speaker 1: a nightly segment by Alan Kohler. It's supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: about finance, but last night he delivered a little sermon
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  Speaker 1: effectively suggesting that Australia should stop exporting coal and gas.
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  Speaker 1: That is, we should shut down our second and third
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  Speaker 1: largest export industries. And of course the argument is that
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  Speaker 1: if we don't supply the coal and gas, someone else will.
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  Speaker 1: But that's a bit like a drug dealer saying that
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  Speaker 1: if he didn't supply the cocaine, someone else will. And
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  Speaker 1: in a way, fossil fuels are a drug that the
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  Speaker 1: world became hooked.
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  Speaker 2: On and is now in rehab.
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  Speaker 1: What an absurd and insulting and deceptive analogy. Illicit drugs
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  Speaker 1: are targeted because they're harmful. They might provide a high,
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  Speaker 1: but in net terms they do way more harm than good.
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  Speaker 1: Fossil fuels have been the driving force of the industrial
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  Speaker 1: revolution in all its various stages, including right up until
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  Speaker 1: now and the digital revolution. Fossil fuels have created jobs
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  Speaker 1: and cities. They've powered the emergence of personal transport, mass transport,
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  Speaker 1: and international transport.
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  Speaker 10: All of our.
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  Speaker 1: Education, healthcare, entertainment, food and beverage, sports, and intellectual development
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  Speaker 1: has been powered by fossil fuels. Without coal, oil and gas,
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  Speaker 1: none of this would have happened. Now, talk all you
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  Speaker 1: like about reducing emissions. And I know Coler is a
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  Speaker 1: bit of a zealot on this stuff, but you can't
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  Speaker 1: change the facts. And the fact is that the only
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  Speaker 1: reason billions of people live with unprecedented levels of health, education,
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  Speaker 1: and prosperity the world over right now is because of
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  Speaker 1: what fossil fuels have delivered. That's just reality. You can't
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  Speaker 1: get rid of cheap and affordable power, affordable and reliable
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  Speaker 1: power without jeopardizing all of that unless you have something
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  Speaker 1: workable to replace it with.
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  Speaker 10: The ABC says.
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  Speaker 1: Cola's analysis was in keeping with its editorial standards, helping
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  Speaker 1: the audience to better understand important issues. And while we're
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  Speaker 1: on the ABC, I want to show you the very
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  Speaker 1: next story from that news bulletin last night. Now, remember
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  Speaker 1: the ABC doesn't allow advertising, of course, it doesn't. Harry advertising.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, it frowns upon it. It often won't use
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  Speaker 1: the sponsor's names for sports tournaments or stadiums, and it
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  Speaker 1: also often attacks business and industry anyone than anything that
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  Speaker 1: is driven by the profit motive. It seems, but one
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  Speaker 1: story around last night sounded like a free enterprise advertorial.
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  Speaker 4: Over twenty seven years, the beloved chicken shop that was
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  Speaker 4: born in western Sydney has grown into a fast food juggernaut,
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  Speaker 4: with more than fifty branches across Sydney, Melbourne and Canberra.
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  Speaker 4: Now it's loyal customers and wondering what will come next.
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  Speaker 7: It took libertes migrants Andre and Carol Stefan nearly three
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  Speaker 7: decades to turn this authentic chocoal chicken shop in Granville
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  Speaker 7: into a steeple for generations of families.
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  Speaker 3: Been coming here since I was eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a little bit of news to be
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  Speaker 1: reported here in that an American investor had bought into
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  Speaker 1: the old Jana chain to the tune of hundreds of
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  Speaker 1: millions of dollars.
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  Speaker 10: But for some reason, the.
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  Speaker 1: ABC decided this was an opportunity to do well. Brat,
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  Speaker 1: to do what any decent advertising agency would do.
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  Speaker 4: We want to make sure that we stick true to
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  Speaker 4: our roots, our Lebanese heritage, the way we cook things,
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  Speaker 4: make things, our garlic sauce, because that's what made us.
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  Speaker 10: And got us to where we are today.
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  Speaker 7: Well, the investment from General Atlantic al Jonah can now
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  Speaker 7: expand to Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia and even overseas.
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  Speaker 7: But for the true loyalists of the chain, this original
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  Speaker 7: restaurant on Granville South Street is the only one where
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  Speaker 7: the food tastes just rate.
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  Speaker 3: You think those are anything? Grand blows?
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  Speaker 7: Aren't it a one of a kind nostalgia many hope
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  Speaker 7: will not be lost. Maybe La Nasa ABC News Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: Confounding, isn't it. Surely it wasn't the multicultural angle that
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  Speaker 1: swayed the ABC here.
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  Speaker 2: They wouldn't would.
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  Speaker 1: They run a positive business story for some businesses because
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  Speaker 1: they suit their multicultural agenda, but not do the same
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  Speaker 1: for others? I reckon it's terrific that the ABC has
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  Speaker 1: run a positive story about a successful business. Perhaps it
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't look so much like an ad I suppose, But
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  Speaker 1: there are a plenty of inspiring stories in business and
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  Speaker 1: that's the driving force of our country and they should
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  Speaker 1: be covered more often, but this is something the ABC
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  Speaker 1: seldom does almost never, which is why this particular story
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  Speaker 1: stood out so strongly. The ABC says the story was
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  Speaker 1: widely covered elsewhere, and there was a locally this was
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  Speaker 1: a locally based feature piece. There you go, now to
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  Speaker 1: a staggering story about insurance and gender identity. Yeah, gender
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  Speaker 1: identity and insurance. We all know and kind of accept.
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  Speaker 1: I guess that car insurance come, please charge lower premiums
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  Speaker 1: for female drivers compared to mails. I mean, there'd be
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  Speaker 1: outrage if it was the other way around, of course,
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  Speaker 1: but we kind of accept that this happens due to
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  Speaker 1: differing insurance profiles. But did you know that by choosing
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  Speaker 1: to click a box and claim to be non binary
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  Speaker 1: you could get even cheaper insurance. That's the stunning reality,
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  Speaker 1: revealed by Ben Fordham on Radio two GB this morning.
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  Speaker 1: According to online quotes for a particular car Alliance insurance
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  Speaker 1: would cost eight hundred dollars for a mail and five
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  Speaker 1: hundred dollars less for someone identifying as non binary, and
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  Speaker 1: for RM the difference is even greater, an eight hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars saving for the non binary option. The story was
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  Speaker 1: revealed by a listener also named Ben, who supplied all
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  Speaker 1: the details on air.
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  Speaker 12: So you've ended all of the same details, but when
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  Speaker 12: you click the non binary box you get a cheaper policy.
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  Speaker 13: Absolutely, yes, yeah, no, So I'm twenty two myself. So
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  Speaker 13: I'm the bread and butter for insurance company, a twenty
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  Speaker 13: two year old male. And yeah, I was just going
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  Speaker 13: through doing some quotes the other night from looking in
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  Speaker 13: the process of purchasing a new car, and yeah, I've
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  Speaker 13: found the box on there, and I thought I'm just
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  Speaker 13: gonna give it a kick and see what comes out
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  Speaker 13: with it. Might be a bit of a joke, and yeah,
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  Speaker 13: well the joke is right. I was absolutely stunned at
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  Speaker 13: what I found.
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  Speaker 12: All of the other details were listed exactly the same.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, amazing, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: So there's an incentive there for men to identify as
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  Speaker 1: non binary. But sorry to be so binary myself. What
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  Speaker 1: about women?
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  Speaker 12: Did you try clicking female?
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  Speaker 13: I did try clicking female, and I was surprised. So
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  Speaker 13: NIRAM came back at about twenty three hundred dollars for
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  Speaker 13: the car under a female, and so, yeah, it was
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  Speaker 13: still more expensive than what it was under the non.
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  Speaker 12: Binary right, So under NRMA, males pay the most females.
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  Speaker 12: In second place, the best deal goes to the non
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  Speaker 12: binary driver.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, just extraordinary.
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  Speaker 1: Now, either non binary people are the safest drivers and
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  Speaker 1: we all ought to be hitting up our non binary
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  Speaker 1: friends for a lift in that case, or this is
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  Speaker 1: more evidence of the madness of the woke mindset. Let's
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  Speaker 1: get back on to the energy debate now and catch
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  Speaker 1: up with the shadow energy Minister, Dan Teen.
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  Speaker 10: Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 6: Dan.
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  Speaker 1: This latest warning from a emo. Their boss Daniel Westman
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  Speaker 1: always seems to tell us he's comfortable and relaxed, has
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  Speaker 1: got it under control. But prices are always going up
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  Speaker 1: and reliability is always going down, and we're always facing
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  Speaker 1: a new challenge. Just how would you describe the situation
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  Speaker 1: we're in right now and what our prospects are?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think Chris Bowen, the part time energy minister,
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  Speaker 5: full time cop negotiator, has absolute.
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  Speaker 2: Egg on his face.
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  Speaker 5: Chris, because he's been spooking now for over three and
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  Speaker 5: a half years that prices are going to come down
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  Speaker 5: and reliability is going to be enhanced by his ideologically
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  Speaker 5: driven renewables only approach. And yet every time we hear
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  Speaker 5: from experts it's completely the opposite. And what I can't
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  Speaker 5: understand is how this minister, this part time minister, can
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  Speaker 5: still stand there and look at these trailed people in
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  Speaker 5: the eye and say it's all going swimmingly.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to have.
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  Speaker 5: Cheaper prices and the grid's going to be more and
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  Speaker 5: more stable, because completely the opposite is happening.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and all of this is predictable.
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  Speaker 1: Right, You've got Daniel Westerman from AEMO and the government
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  Speaker 1: saying the same thing. I mean, they're not independent operators EMO.
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  Speaker 1: They're implementing the government's policies and they're saying that essentially
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  Speaker 1: you need more inertia in the system to place the
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  Speaker 1: inertia of the coal fired generators. But this was always
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  Speaker 1: the aim to drive out the coal fired generators and
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  Speaker 1: the gas fired general. The whole aim is to drive
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  Speaker 1: out the fossil fuels. So how could they have been
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  Speaker 1: so effective in driving out the fossil fuels yet they
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  Speaker 1: haven't replaced it with anything else that can provide that inertia.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's a very good question and one that Chris
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  Speaker 5: Bowen should be answering today because he's been warned about
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  Speaker 5: this since he's been minister, and he's done absolutely nothing
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  Speaker 5: about it And the only thing we've heard from the
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  Speaker 5: government so far today is we had an assistant minister
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  Speaker 5: out saying, I don't worry Curry, Curry's going to come on. Well,
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  Speaker 5: it's a gas peaker. And they're saying a gas peaker
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  Speaker 5: is going to replace ARAI, which provides baslow power right
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  Speaker 5: through the system.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it is utter nonsense.
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  Speaker 5: And you know what we're starting to is all the
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  Speaker 5: warnings that have been issued around Chris Bowen's ideologically driven
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  Speaker 5: renewables only perhaps that approach are all coming home to
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  Speaker 5: roost and he has nothing to offer as a result.
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  Speaker 5: And I mean, the sooner Anthony Albanesi makes him a
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  Speaker 5: full time cop negotiator so he can focus on the
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  Speaker 5: UN in New York and leave Australia alone, and hopefully
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  Speaker 5: we can get someone in here who knows and understands
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  Speaker 5: how engineering works, how power grid works, and we can
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  Speaker 5: turn this around, because if we don't, the sad reality
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  Speaker 5: is we're going to see energy poverty continue to increase,
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  Speaker 5: and we're already seeing that occurring. We're going to see
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  Speaker 5: electricity prices continue to rise forty percent under this Albanesi
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  Speaker 5: labor government.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: And we've got this.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: Real threat now in a year of blackouts, I mean
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: it is an unmitigated mess.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Well, the bottom.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Line though, comes back to this concept of base load power,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: much religned by much maligned by the renewable zealots. But
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: of course, apart from steadying providing steady, low price, constant energy,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: base load power provides that system inertia. Is it not
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the case that we cannot run a reliable grid, let
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: alone an affordable one without baseload power. It needs to
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: be provided by coal if you're prepared to wear some emissions,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: or by nuclear if you want to go emissions free.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, and gas as well obviously can play a role
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: as well. But you do need that base load power,
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: and that's why we've always said, you know, coal has
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: played that role, and then we should look to move
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: to emissions free nuclear over time as you sweat those
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: coal assets, and you need gas obviously playing a key
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: role as well. But you know what we've just seen
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: recently with the EPBC Act changes, they're basically said, no,
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: we're not going to allow gas to be included in
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: enabling more advanced and quicker approval processes.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: So they're leaving gas behind.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: They're not moving quickly on a gas reservation policy and
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: they're trying to close Cold Down ahead of schedule.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: So that's why we've all of a sudden in this mess.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: And of course we've got Chris Bowen who won't even
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: entertain the fact of lifting the ban on nuclear. So
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: the market could play its role if they saw a
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: role for nuclear.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: In our grid going forward.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: So everything about this is purely and utterly ideologically driven.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a dire prospects for the country. Here's
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: what Barnaby Joyce had to say about it today.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: We should be building new co firepowerstations. I can say
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: that now.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: NAT zero is a massive mistake and we should fix
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: it and you should.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Be building new cal firepowerstations.
• 22:54
  Speaker 14: Otherwise Australia, the lights are going to go out.
• 22:58
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Now I'd be all in favor of nuclear power if
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: we could get it online quickly, but realistically it's going
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: to take ten years.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Do we need new coal? Would you rule out new
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: coal in the interim?
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: Well, what we've said in the short term what we
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: should be looking is very much a technological neutral approach
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: where we should be ensuring we're sweating our coal assets,
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: bringing more gas into the system and using all other
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: types of technology that's available.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: And then what we should.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Do is move to a capacity market where once again
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: we let the market decide what is needed and what
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: is required.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: For our energy grid.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: And once again that should be technology neutral. So we're
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: not saying that should be one form over another. What
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: we're saying is let the market make the right decisions.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: And my view is if we got.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: Rid of the nuclear band, what's happening with the nuclear
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: in naissance around the world is that's where.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: The market wants to go.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: We're seeing technology companies investing in it.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think that you need government playing.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: A significant role if you look what's happening around the world.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: But we want to move from the short term where
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: we're using basically everything that's available to us, to a
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: position where we design a market and we let the market.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Decide what is needed.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: And obviously, as you look to make sure that you're
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: moving and transitioning, you agree to a more lower missions grid,
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: you want to see those types of technologies like nuclear
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: coming on because that obviously will help.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: You with your emissions reduction. At the same.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Time, ten thanks so much for joining us down team.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: They're joining us from Western Victoria. Let's stick with this
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: energy debargle, but strip away the politics and catch up
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: again with Aiden Morrison, who's the energy program director at
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the Center for Independent Studies.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us again, Aiden.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I know we only spoke to you last week about
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: this very issue, but this new report from EMO about
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: the security of the system just bears out everything you've
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: been warning us about for so long. Right, we are
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: headed to an energy grid that simply can't function unless
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: we have some drastic action soon.
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: What are your thoughts, look, I think that's right. I
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: did post publicly that we wouldn't be able to close
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: the Rahring in twenty seven as planned about four or
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: five months ago. That was around the time when our
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: grid operator, Transgrid, actually produced a report saying that they
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: didn't see any credible way of acquiring the synchronous condenses
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: they need to replace that important security service that they
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: provide to the grid in time for erring to close.
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: At that point, so I assumed this was becoming and
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: now we've got the market operator finally confirming it, and
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: now the rest of the mainstream media are catching on
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: and reiterating that. But the writing has been on the
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: wall for quite some time. The closer we get to
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: actually pulling the plug and trying to switch things off,
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: the more we realize that it's complex and slow and
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: difficult to replace these assets that have provided a very secure,
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: very reliable service for a long time. So the nearer
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: we get, the more reality bites, and we're just learning
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: that today we've got to extend a ring.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Well, of course, a ring should have been closed according
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: to the original original estimates in twenty this year actually,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and it's only government intervention and the promise of more
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: subsidies to keep it going because they are in such
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: a shambles now it looks like there's going to have
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: to be another extension.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: This is going to have to be underwritten by.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Taxpayers, of course, because these cold generators they've been forced out.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: They've been deliberately forced out by policy and the market,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: so they haven't been able to spend money on upgrading
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: their equipment and the like. So no doubt there'll be
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: more taxpayer subsidies involved. But is it even twenty twenty
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: nine or the like going to be too soon? Aren't
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: they going to have to try and invest in a
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: ruhring and keep it going for much longer as the
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: nation's largest coal fire generator.
• 26:54
  Speaker 8: Look, I think they will, but I'll just give a
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: countervailing view there on the question about the subsidies, because
• 26:59
  Speaker 8: what's actually happened in New South Wales is the New
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: South Wales government did promise them an underwriting offer, an
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: underwriting option to commit to staying in for another couple
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: of years to twenty twenty seven. But what's actually happened
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: is that Origin has gone to them each year and
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: said we'd rather have our profits uncapped than accept your underwriting.
• 27:16
  Speaker 8: So even though they've been squeezed by this rooftop solo
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: in the middle of the day, they're still able to
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: command the price in the evening. So the volatility has
• 27:23
  Speaker 8: actually not caused these guys as big a business problem
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: as we thought they would. They're still actually sitting pretty
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: because at nighttime they can choose what they get paid
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: because the sun goes down. So even though the market's
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: more volatile, these operators actually I suspect are actually quite
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: profitable at the moment and they will remain that way.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: So certain they've been offered government subsidies effectively to keep going,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: but they haven't required it, so they presumably a similar
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: deal in the future in cases not profitable for them.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: They're sort of underwritten, but that's good news that taxpayers
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: haven't had to bail them out. But how long do
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: you think that they need to keep going? And more
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: to the point, how long could a plant life gara
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: and keep going without massive maintenance expenditure.
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: Look, it was about twenty to thirty one to thirty
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: two that they were planning to close before, so I
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: think there's no reason why that earlier notification could not
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: be extended out to in terms of how long their
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: plan could exist when we'll need them for I think
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: at least twenty thirty three to thirty five. And the
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: reason I say that is at the moment, all the
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: backup power that we have in New South Wales comes
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: from snowy hydro or when the wind is blowing a
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: whole cluster of wind that is around Canberra, just north
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: of Canberra, and at the moment that power can't get
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: into Sydney when we have high demand and when the
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: wind is blowing. Okay, we already have instances such as
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: last Wednesday when the price hit the cap twenty thousand
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: dollars a megawatt hour, and we were actually sending the
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: power over to Victoria where they had negative prices. So
• 28:47
  Speaker 8: we don't have the transmission to get the backup power
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: from Snowy Hydro even when that comes online or more
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: wind in that concentrated area around Canberra into Sydney anyway,
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: And we're seeing the consequence of that playout in Havic
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: in our grid at the moment. And the line to
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: fix that is called Sydney Ring South, and it doesn't
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: look like that's going to be built until twenty thirty
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: three thirty five. It's been delayed and pushed back yet
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: again by the regulator and Transgrid. So it doesn't seem
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: that the right priorities and the right sequence is being
• 29:14
  Speaker 8: met to let Cole leave the grid anytime soon at all.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: And can we have a synchronous enough synchronous power in
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the grid, Can we have enough system inertia? Can the
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: grid be stable without base load power?
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: Look, if you bought enough synchronous condensers, there's no reason
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: why you couldn't. It's a relatively mature, relatively well known technology.
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: But what's happened is it's actually quite a costly technology
• 29:37
  Speaker 8: to a whole bunch of spinning masses of metal to
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: replace the spinning masses of metal that actually generated power.
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: So replacing that has always looked expensive. So the go
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: to for the whole industry has been to say, oh,
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: we don't want to spend money on synchronous condensers. Let's
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: hope that something else comes along. They've waved their hands
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: around hoping that batteries would somehow fix this, and they haven't.
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: And now we're being faced with the reality that we
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: actually have to buy the synchronous condensers. So if we
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: bought a whole lot of them, no reason why it
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: wouldn't work. But we've been avoiding by our committing to
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: buying a whole lot of these because it is so
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: clearly expensive and it would go against the narrative that
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: renewables are cheap. So that's a situation we're in right now.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Aden Morrison there from the
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Center for Independent Studies. We're going to get to a
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: break on the other side, autism diagnoses. They're continuing to
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: escalate in this country as the INDIS funds more than
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Thousand kids in this country.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Claire Road next, alarming you figures about the cost of
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the National Disability Insurance Screen and the number of Australians
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: receiving funding for autism. As we've told you before, the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: INDIIS cost taxpayers are wapping fifty billion dollars a year
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: and that's expected to double within a decade.
• 30:49
  Speaker 10: And it's not hard to see why.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: The Telly reports the number of Australians receiving INDIIS funding
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: for autism has.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: More than doubled over the past five years.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: To more than two hundred thousand and the cost of
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: tax payers is just over nine billion dollars last financial year.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Let me bring in child and adolescent psychologist Clear Road.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Clear we've talked about this issue before, but it seems
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: to be going in the same direction still.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: You're suggesting that parents.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Are actively shopping for the right diagnosis to get NDIS funding.
• 31:24
  Speaker 15: Yeah, good to be with you, Chris. Well, look, if
• 31:27
  Speaker 15: we take it at face value, that is an explosion
• 31:31
  Speaker 15: in our first world country of Australia of our children
• 31:35
  Speaker 15: being diagnosed with a lifelong developmental disorder. And that's what
• 31:40
  Speaker 15: we really have to stand back and take stock off.
• 31:43
  Speaker 15: And of course we can posit different reasons for that,
• 31:46
  Speaker 15: and we can say, oh, well, you know our autism
• 31:49
  Speaker 15: rates increasing, maybe we should look at why are we
• 31:52
  Speaker 15: just using more sensitive tools? They were always there and
• 31:55
  Speaker 15: now we're better at picking it up. But we have
• 31:58
  Speaker 15: to have the conversation, and very uncomfortable, I think conversation
• 32:03
  Speaker 15: that the diagnostic criteria has significantly widened, and that we
• 32:08
  Speaker 15: have linked financial incentives to getting a diagnosis. And I
• 32:14
  Speaker 15: don't blame parents for that. We have created a system
• 32:18
  Speaker 15: whereby parents feel they must pursue an autism diagnosis just
• 32:23
  Speaker 15: to get some basic help. But some of these kids
• 32:25
  Speaker 15: do need help. They need some speech therapy, intervention, or
• 32:27
  Speaker 15: some basic behavioral support, very short term things. And so
• 32:32
  Speaker 15: that's not a reflection of more children becoming impaired. It's
• 32:36
  Speaker 15: a reflection of a system that only funds support once
• 32:40
  Speaker 15: a medical label is attached the screening.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, sorry to jump in the Yeah.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Of course, those who need it, and the more severe
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: cases especially need that sort of help. But as you've
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: explained before, there are various levels of autism as well,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: and if there's a diagnosis about a level of autism,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: parents can be in the situation where they might need
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: to fund some extra activities or education.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Or programs themselves.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: But if that diagnosis can be lifted to the NDIS level,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: then of course government pays that.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: So there is a perverse incentive there.
• 33:19
  Speaker 15: Right, Yeah, absolutely, And this is what happened when we
• 33:23
  Speaker 15: financially incentivize not just the attainment of a medical diagnosis,
• 33:29
  Speaker 15: but we financially incentivize people of staying unwell. And so
• 33:36
  Speaker 15: when the government announces they're going to fix this by
• 33:38
  Speaker 15: this Thriving Kids model and different programs, it has to
• 33:42
  Speaker 15: be built on a faroh foundation and it has to
• 33:45
  Speaker 15: be not linked with the diagnosis in the first place,
• 33:48
  Speaker 15: rather a linked to functional impairment or support that people need.
• 33:54
  Speaker 15: And as they said, autism is real, those people need
• 33:56
  Speaker 15: genuine support. I'm always an advocate for the voices that
• 34:00
  Speaker 15: I don't think of at the table, and they are
• 34:03
  Speaker 15: the parents of the profoundly disabled child. They have very
• 34:07
  Speaker 15: rarely listened to. The loudest voices are much more mild
• 34:11
  Speaker 15: cases because we have a system that financially rewards it,
• 34:15
  Speaker 15: and it blurs the line between genuine disability, which is
• 34:19
  Speaker 15: what the NDAs after all, is set up to support
• 34:23
  Speaker 15: and developmental variation. Some mild social difficulties that with a
• 34:28
  Speaker 15: little bit of intervention and support may improve and in
• 34:30
  Speaker 15: fact go away altogether. The clinicians feel squeezed and pressured
• 34:35
  Speaker 15: and have readily admitted to me that they have diagnosed
• 34:38
  Speaker 15: autism for very what they described as gray cases that
• 34:44
  Speaker 15: may not have fulfilled traditional autism criteria, but they don't
• 34:48
  Speaker 15: want to turn parents away with no support at all.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesse, a hell of a conundrum. But despite people
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: focusing on this over the past year or two, there's
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: been no improvement according to the numbers. Thanks so much, Claire,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Claire Roe there, who's a child and adolescent psychologist.
• 35:04
  Speaker 10: We've got to go to a break on the other side.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Catch up on a few issues, but including the Irish
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: activists who are continuing to drive division over Israel. Sophie
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Elsworth will join us from Europe. A council in the
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Ireland has sparked global backlash after it planned to rename
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: a park honoring the Irish Israeli former President of Israel,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Jim Hertzog. The move prompted fierce criticism, with Dublin dubbed
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: the capital of anti Semitism.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Here's a report from RT News.
• 35:39
  Speaker 16: Since nineteen ninety five. It was named Herzog Park after
• 35:42
  Speaker 16: him Herzog Belfast born and Dublin raised. He became the
• 35:45
  Speaker 16: sixth President of Israel tomorrow. A proposal to change that
• 35:49
  Speaker 16: was due before Dublin City Council.
• 35:52
  Speaker 10: This is a community response.
• 35:53
  Speaker 14: It has cross party support, and it is the community
• 35:56
  Speaker 14: standing up and seeing that we want to take action
• 35:58
  Speaker 14: because they are absolutely apot and second to their core
• 36:01
  Speaker 14: and relation to the Jane side that has taken place.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's bring in News Corp europe Correspondence Go and
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: News contributor so Fiels with thanks for joining us, Sophie. Look,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: this is not a surprise, is it. The anti Israeli
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: pro Palestinian movement we've got from the Irish community and
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Irish politicians has been probably stronger than even most other
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: European countries.
• 36:27
  Speaker 17: It has, indeed, Chris, has been very strong and there's
• 36:31
  Speaker 17: been a difficult relationship between the two nations. But this
• 36:35
  Speaker 17: is just the latest development in it, Chris, but incredibly
• 36:39
  Speaker 17: concerning that they're now looking at situations like this and
• 36:44
  Speaker 17: changing the names of things and trying to.
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: Rewrite the history books.
• 36:48
  Speaker 17: And I think, really, Chris, this is brought with danger
• 36:51
  Speaker 17: once they go back and start doing this. And we
• 36:54
  Speaker 17: know last year that Israel closed its embassy in Ireland
• 36:59
  Speaker 17: and there has been a dificult relationship between the two.
• 37:01
  Speaker 17: But this is just another issue between the two nations.
• 37:05
  Speaker 17: And we know the Island has been very anti Israel.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's sickening for somebody with you know, ties
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: to Ireland like I have.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: I've always been proud of my Irish connections.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: It's very shameful to see the way the Irish government
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and the Irish people have really treated Israel. It's shameful
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: and it's hateful. And Haim Hertzog here to try and
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: sort of cancels an historical figure like that. Here's such
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: an incredible story, the son of the former chief rabbi
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: in Ireland, born and raised in Ireland, went to the
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Middle East to help fight for Israel and found its
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: independence and then rose to become president. I mean, a
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: person like that, whatever you think and whatever your politics are,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: he has to be celebrated.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: And not canceled. In hindsight, surely, well you think.
• 37:54
  Speaker 17: That would be the case, Chris, But unfortunately now this
• 37:56
  Speaker 17: is happening more and more with these situations where activist government,
• 38:01
  Speaker 17: activist councils, activist politicians. I guess making these moves to
• 38:07
  Speaker 17: try and change these parks, and the momentum is building
• 38:10
  Speaker 17: that the momentum to change names is becoming more commonplace
• 38:14
  Speaker 17: around the world. When they look back and go, we
• 38:16
  Speaker 17: should change that. We don't like what this person did,
• 38:19
  Speaker 17: or we don't like what's happening now. I just think, Chris,
• 38:22
  Speaker 17: this is a real problem when we start doing this.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's nuts.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: And we've had our own examples in Australia of course,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: and one happening now with Burke and Wills of course.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: But if you go to England actually and the former
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Prince Andrew, we've got a similar issue there where there's
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: a place in northern Ile and obviously part of the
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: UK where they're looking to get rid of their Prince Andrew. Way,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: of course he's not Prince Andrew anymore. They want to
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: change the name of that one to commemorate or recognize
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: another royal. In this case, I suppose given what's been
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: revealed about him, it might be a little more understanding understandable.
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  Speaker 17: Well, this is a live issue, Chris. Obviously, with Andrew
• 39:06
  Speaker 17: mount Batton Windsor. This has just happened in recent weeks.
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  Speaker 17: This isn't looking back decades ago and trying to change
• 39:13
  Speaker 17: the name of someone who served their country as president,
• 39:17
  Speaker 17: as we just discussed. But this is a different situation.
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  Speaker 17: But I imagine, Chris, if you have a house on Prince
• 39:24
  Speaker 17: Andrew Way, you probably might struggle when you're trying to
• 39:27
  Speaker 17: sell it because there are people who are very you know,
• 39:31
  Speaker 17: just disgusted with Prince Andrew formerly Prince Andrew. And I
• 39:36
  Speaker 17: can understand that there are many people annoyed about this,
• 39:39
  Speaker 17: and so there are moves of foot to do this,
• 39:42
  Speaker 17: and so I think we will keep seeing cases of this.
• 39:45
  Speaker 17: We've seen so much a commentary around Prince Andrew former
• 39:49
  Speaker 17: Prince Andrew. I keep referring to him for Andrew mount
• 39:51
  Speaker 17: Baton Windsor. There'll be more to come on this, Chris,
• 39:54
  Speaker 17: and its very damaging for the royal family and this
• 39:57
  Speaker 17: is just a small part of it.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: It sure is so, and we'll catch up with you
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: in future weeks to get more details and all that.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Sophiel's with their Live from Europe.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: We got to take a break on the other side,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Gemtone Uni and Caroline de Russo will join me and
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: one of the things we'll talk about is the PM,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: as you all know, got married on the weekend. He's
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: off on his honeymoon as we speak. Let's sort a
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: few things out here with Gemton Uni from GT Communications
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: on this.
• 40:27
  Speaker 10: Desk for the last time when we know what a moment.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and of.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Course Caroline Deruss he joins us from Perth. Great to
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: have you both on board.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Let's start off first up with some happy news.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Let's not spend too long on it, but the Prime
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Minister got married and Jody are married and having a
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: week off with a domestic honeymoon.
• 40:46
  Speaker 10: We're told.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: I love love, I love love, and you know what,
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: some things should be above politics.
• 40:51
  Speaker 11: I wish them well.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I think the media we're very kind to him, Caroline.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Just making sure it was all quiet, that's a good
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: way to do it.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: I got dipsmal it. That's the way to do it.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Just have a quiet little wedding and let everyone know
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: about it afterwards. So I thought that was well managed
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: on his behalf, Just to keep it a private affair
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: rather than make a some dance about it.
• 41:12
  Speaker 11: I think so.
• 41:12
  Speaker 18: And I think there still needs to be some things
• 41:14
  Speaker 18: that will beyond politics, and I feel like sometimes those
• 41:17
  Speaker 18: lines get blurred, and I'm all for, like, bring back
• 41:20
  Speaker 18: the backyard wedding. I think this is fabulous and I'm
• 41:23
  Speaker 18: glad that it's starting right at the top.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what, if we got married in
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: our backyard, though it would be a small wedding, we
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: got a little bout four, I wouldn't know if I
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: was ever going to get married again.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind the lodgers the backyard. He's a little
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: bit of.
• 41:36
  Speaker 10: What went on.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you've got a big backyard to have.
• 41:50
  Speaker 10: A backyard wedding, that's what I reckon.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Now, let's get onto this insurance story that Ben Forden
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: broke on two GB today.
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: I told you about at the top of the program.
• 41:57
  Speaker 10: This is extraordinary, isn't it. Carrow?
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, you get cheaper car insurance if you're non binary.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: All right, it's cheaper for women than for men because
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: of their driving profile, but somehow non binary, if you
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: click that box, it's even cheaper than women.
• 42:13
  Speaker 18: This is absolutely extraordinary. And what I'd really want to.
• 42:17
  Speaker 11: Know is, what is how did we get there?
• 42:19
  Speaker 18: What's in the driving profile that somehow the calculation allows
• 42:24
  Speaker 18: this to happen, or is this some you know, the
• 42:26
  Speaker 18: new fashion of well, you know, this is our favorite
• 42:29
  Speaker 18: group and off we go. If you look at it
• 42:31
  Speaker 18: from the flip side, Chris, you ask yourself the question, well,
• 42:35
  Speaker 18: why are heterosexual people being charged.
• 42:37
  Speaker 11: More for their car insurance?
• 42:39
  Speaker 18: And all of a sudden we get into a very
• 42:41
  Speaker 18: murky conversation and one that I don't think we want
• 42:45
  Speaker 18: to have. So look, I'm pretty uncomfortable about this. I mean, ultimately,
• 42:51
  Speaker 18: it's a private company and they can do whatever they want.
• 42:56
  Speaker 18: But this here is a very very difficult one to justify.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: It's just nuts now. Gemma Allions and Roma have put
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: out statements. They don't deny it.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: They mention their inclusivity and they.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Want people to be honest when they're applying for insurance.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: But you can tick the non binary box and get
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: discount anytime you like.
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm a single, half Italian, divorced woman who rides
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: horses and likes dogs.
• 43:18
  Speaker 11: Where's their inclusivity?
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: I mean, if we're going to take it to its
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: ense degree, there is no sensible finishing point. As Caroline said,
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: these are private matters a person's I might not be
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: scientifically qualified, but I'm pretty sure a person's sexuality doesn't
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: indicate whether they're a good driver or not, or their
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: person's you know, like at their identity and sexual identity
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: like this is.
• 43:45
  Speaker 11: I believe most Australians would.
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: Look at this and say it doesn't past anything resembling
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: a pub test. And this is the sort of stuff
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: that gets corporates into trouble all the time.
• 43:55
  Speaker 11: And you only have to look in other.
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: Parts of the world, and in Australia we seem absolutely
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: detas and to not learn the lessons from other parts
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: of the world that have gone before us, it's a
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: high way to nowhere. And I would personally, I don't
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: think either of my insurances are with those guys, but
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: I'd be going back and going, why are you discriminating
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: against me?
• 44:13
  Speaker 11: That's what my first question would be.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, I wouldn't want to be dishonest,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: but if I was the dishonest type, I'd.
• 44:21
  Speaker 10: Just be ticking.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm non binary, so my wife my wife
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: just on the same thing. Though, what about half a
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: million dollars of your tax dollars going to a Pacific
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Island skin This is under Foreign Affairs Penny Wongs approved this.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: This is to study gender diverse intersection intersectionality and gender
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: diverse climate change action in the Pacific. This from a
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: government that's running deficits and debt and we're wasting our money,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: hard end money on this stuff, Cara.
• 44:56
  Speaker 18: Yeah, and I'm sure the very Christian Pacific nations are
• 44:59
  Speaker 18: thrilled with this.
• 45:02
  Speaker 11: This is ridiculous.
• 45:03
  Speaker 18: And you know, this government gas lights anyone who questions
• 45:07
  Speaker 18: anything in relation to energy policy and climate change and
• 45:12
  Speaker 18: any anything within that realm. Then they go and do
• 45:16
  Speaker 18: something like this. It's very hard to have credibility and
• 45:20
  Speaker 18: it's very hard to be taken seriously when you're essentially
• 45:24
  Speaker 18: got some program running that you know, oh, well, we
• 45:27
  Speaker 18: can fix the leaf, the leak in the roof by
• 45:30
  Speaker 18: painting the fence blue. I mean, this is essentially the
• 45:34
  Speaker 18: sort of rubbish that's going on here.
• 45:36
  Speaker 15: Well, when you wade into.
• 45:38
  Speaker 18: This stuff, Chris, it's very fair for people to question
• 45:43
  Speaker 18: the policy settings and the potential outcomes of pretty much
• 45:48
  Speaker 18: everything that you're doing in the energy and climate change space.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's a window into the wooly mindedness of this government.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Penny one defends this stuff Jenma, Well.
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: It's another sign of disconnect. And what I was considering
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: today as I was driving in here, amongst other things,
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: is again, what is the tipping point here? This is
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: energy policy that is dangerous for Australia. And it's not
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: just people on the other side of the political fence
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: saying that. It's people with significant banks of experience and
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: the only people seemingly who are defending this absolute ideological
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: weddedness to renewables as the primary source of those who
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: the vested interest, either ideologically or from a commercial perspective,
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: It doesn't make sense.
• 46:34
  Speaker 11: This is perhaps a canary in the coal mine of
• 46:37
  Speaker 11: sorts if you scratch the service.
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: I wonder how much else we'd find where this is concerned.
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: I think it's indefensible, and Senator Wong is defending the indefensible.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: What is intersectional climate change studies? I mean, what on
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: efeism even is that? If you can't tell me in
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: ten seconds, it's not even a thing.
• 46:54
  Speaker 10: It's just absurd.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Let me go to some comments here from a couple
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: of women who wouldn't normally appear in the same yard
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: as to do with Victoria that just entered their machete
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Amnesty So if you're watching in Victoria and you've kept
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: your machetes, no more amnesty for you.
• 47:10
  Speaker 10: Here's the Premier, just into Alan.
• 47:13
  Speaker 19: It does concern me that too many Victorians have not
• 47:16
  Speaker 19: felt safe in their homes and on the street. There
• 47:18
  Speaker 19: are serious consequences. There are fines that you could face
• 47:22
  Speaker 19: the years of imprisonment as a result of carrying one
• 47:24
  Speaker 19: of these dangerous weapons.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, So suddenly, in the shadows of an election, just
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: enter Alan, starting to recognize the crime problem and empathize
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: with the victims across Victoria. The other woman was Pauline Hanson,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: who was in Melbourne on the weekend speaking at an
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Andie immigration rally. Here's what she had to say about Victoria.
• 47:45
  Speaker 20: I'm not from Victoria, and I tell you the truth.
• 47:47
  Speaker 20: I don't want to move to Victoria. I'll stick to queens.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Say thank you very much.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's all queen saying. I couldn't imagine paul in
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: a Victoria. They might not want her anyway, But Jemma,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: she makes the point right. It doesn't sound like a
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: place you want to.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Live right now.
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: Look, Melbourne has terrible weather, it does have Collingwood Football Club.
• 48:11
  Speaker 11: But I understand what she's saying.
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: It seems to be in a right I mean, financially
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: it's in a right mess.
• 48:16
  Speaker 11: Let's be honest. That's the objective fact.
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: Grips of a crime problem, financially broken government, facing all
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: manner of corruption issues in and around in the street
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: every weekend. It doesn't look to if you don't look
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: at it and go, gosh, that's a great place to
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: raise a family.
• 48:29
  Speaker 11: I wouldn't mind going there.
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: I had a text from a very dear friend who's
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: lived there all their life and said to me, I
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: can't live here and I can't leave here.
• 48:36
  Speaker 11: And I felt for them.
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: Because that's a really succinct and poignant way to describe
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: how I imagine many Victorians are feeling.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 48:44
  Speaker 10: I love Victoria.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: I love it, especially for the footy, but things are
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: not really going to well in Victoria at the moment.
• 48:50
  Speaker 10: Caroen quick word.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: No.
• 48:53
  Speaker 18: I was only there a week or so ago, and
• 48:56
  Speaker 18: when I got home everyone was congratulating me on not
• 48:59
  Speaker 18: getting stabbed.
• 49:00
  Speaker 11: What I'm worried about.
• 49:01
  Speaker 18: In relation to this machete band now in place is
• 49:06
  Speaker 18: how it's actually going to be enforced and policed by
• 49:10
  Speaker 18: Victoria police. Because you can just see it happening, that
• 49:13
  Speaker 18: the gang violence continues, and then some non nor gets
• 49:17
  Speaker 18: booked forty eight grand for having a machete in the
• 49:19
  Speaker 18: backshd that he uses to cut the bamboo and that
• 49:22
  Speaker 18: there would be the most Victorian outcome we would have
• 49:25
  Speaker 18: seen for the year.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: It put in teeth. Thanks for joining us, Carolyn and Jimma.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: We'll catch you next week. Just a little quick bit
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: of feedback from what you had to say last week
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: when we talked about Bowen's energy mess. Bowen's lack of
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: understanding is concerning the economic self harm has to stop,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: and Chris says no such thing as a free lunch.
• 49:43
  Speaker 10: Someone has to pay.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Sure is someone has to pay