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Female Teacher Accused of Raping 12-Year-Old Student, PREGNANT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease. When I sent my twins, John,
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Speaker 1: David and Lucy to school when they were twelve years old,
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Speaker 1: Let's see, that's seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.
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Speaker 2: What is that fifth or sixth grade?
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Speaker 1: I certainly did not expect them to start a sex
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Speaker 1: relationship with their married teacher. No, that's not what I
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Speaker 1: thought was happening. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: and series XEM one eleven. Well, apparently in Covington, Tennessee,
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Speaker 1: that is exactly what happened.
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Speaker 3: Listen now, listen to Common was arrested and brought here
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Speaker 3: to the Tipton County Jail. She's accused of raping one
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Speaker 3: of her former students.
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Speaker 2: Now take a.
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Speaker 3: Look at her mugshine. The thirty eight year old teacher accused.
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Speaker 3: She's charged with rape of a child. Covnton Police say
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Speaker 3: the child was aged twelve or younger at the time
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Speaker 3: of the alleged sexual abuse.
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Speaker 4: Charged with raping a child, the Covington Police Department arrested
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Speaker 4: thirty eight year old Alyssa mccommon today. Police say multiple
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Speaker 4: juvenile victims came forward stating they were befriended by mccommon.
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Speaker 4: That's their former teacher, which led to mccommon requesting sexual
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Speaker 4: relations with the victims befriended.
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Speaker 1: These are twelve year old boys. They're barely old enough
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Speaker 1: to join the four age club. For Pete's sake, they
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Speaker 1: may even be wee blow and scouts sex with a
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Speaker 1: twelve year old boy with the teacher. As if that's
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Speaker 1: not bad enough. But there's more in the last hours,
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Speaker 1: a bombshell development.
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Speaker 2: Wait for it. Listen.
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Speaker 5: Today a recording of a phone call between the suspect,
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Speaker 5: ALYSSA mccommon and an alleged victim was played in court,
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Speaker 5: and during the call, mccommon makes references to a baby.
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Speaker 5: During today's hearing, mccommon's bond was revoked. She's scheduled to
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Speaker 5: be back in court in late November.
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Speaker 2: A baby.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that the then twelve year old little
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Speaker 1: boys parents heads are just blowing off? Just like explode there?
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Speaker 1: Then twelve year old little boy is going to be
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Speaker 1: a daddy with his teacher. Now, I want to analyze
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Speaker 1: what she said to the boy on the phone.
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Speaker 2: You just forget we ever talked.
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Speaker 6: OK.
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Speaker 1: I'll raise this baby and I'll love this baby. I'll
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Speaker 1: do it by myself. Well, isn't she brave? She's going
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Speaker 1: to do it on her own? What does she think
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Speaker 1: a little boy is going to feel an expensive responsibility?
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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna man up and go get a
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Speaker 1: second job to support the baby.
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Speaker 2: My head is spinning.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to hear that specific part again.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't hear it that well.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen our cut thirty four, and you were
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Speaker 1: earlier hearing wr eg. Take a listener our cut thirty four.
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Speaker 1: This is the teacher, the married teacher on the phone
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Speaker 1: talking to the then twelve year old little boy.
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Speaker 2: Listen, I'll do it myself. I guess you will.
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Speaker 1: Lady with me an all star pound makes sense of
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Speaker 1: what we are learning.
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Speaker 2: But I want to tell you the lot sickens.
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Speaker 1: In addition to charges that she had sex multiple times
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Speaker 1: with a twelve year old boy, her student, and that
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Speaker 1: now she's pregnant, she says with his baby. Oh yes,
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Speaker 1: there's more, but let's just get that far first. First
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Speaker 1: of all, to Augie Conklin, crime reporter, Fox News Digital
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Speaker 1: Auji Conslan.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: What a twelve year old boy fathers a baby with
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Speaker 1: his teacher.
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Speaker 2: How did this start?
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Speaker 7: Well, so, according to a police AFFI David, the first
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Speaker 7: sexual assault with this victim, who was twelve years old
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Speaker 7: at the time, happened in twenty twenty one. So if
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Speaker 7: she's pregnant now, as she sang in those phone calls,
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Speaker 7: this relationship with a minor has been going on for years,
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Speaker 7: which is the really disturbing part. And it just surfaced
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Speaker 7: now because the victim came forward hearing it.
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Speaker 1: Investigative reporter with Fox News Digital Audrey Conklin, But I
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Speaker 1: want you to hear more of what this teacher has
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Speaker 1: to say to the little boy victim.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen, our friends, Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 8: Alyssa mccommon's hearing Tuesday morning centered around a series of
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Speaker 8: text messages in a phone call prosecutor say mccommon had
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Speaker 8: with the victim, I have.
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Speaker 4: To tell you something is a serious and to do
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Speaker 4: with you.
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Speaker 8: Covington police detective testified this alleged conversation happened last Tuesday.
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Speaker 8: The detective testified mccommon eventually identified herself and told the
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Speaker 8: victim she was pregnant.
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Speaker 9: Well, say this is lever o Enjy to leave this number.
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Speaker 9: Please don't give me a struggle.
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Speaker 1: Please don't get me in trouble. Okay, you're already in trouble.
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Speaker 2: Lady.
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Speaker 1: You're pregnant, according to you, with a then twelve year
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Speaker 1: old little boys child. But I don't understand why she
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Speaker 1: continues to contact the boy.
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Speaker 2: Listen again, Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 8: After that initial text exchange, the detective testified the victim
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Speaker 8: and their parent went to police in a controlled setup.
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Speaker 8: The detective said, Mcommon and the victim talked on the phone.
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Speaker 8: Recording played in court allowed the judge to hear the
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Speaker 8: conversation presumed to be between Mcommon and the victim. Common
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Speaker 8: sounded frantic and scared. Mcommon also brought up her apparent pregnancy.
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Speaker 1: Are all those tears supposed to somehow sway a little
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Speaker 1: boy into what doing the right thing and marrying the
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Speaker 1: married teacher? I don't understand the purpose of her phone
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Speaker 1: calls joining me. In addition to Augie Colchlan, an investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter with Fox News Digital, I'm going to go to
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Speaker 1: Sam Doordoulian, high profile lawyer joining us out of La
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Speaker 1: former La County sex crimes prosecutor and founder of the
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Speaker 1: Dordoulian group, Sam, thanks for being with us.
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Speaker 2: What why is she calling him?
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Speaker 6: You know, she's just continuing the manipulation that she started
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Speaker 6: when she first began the predatory conduct. This is just
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Speaker 6: her attempt to mean manipulate this boy, hoping of course
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Speaker 6: that somehow it's going to help her in this criminal
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Speaker 6: charge that she's facing. She's a predator, she's a manipulator,
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Speaker 6: and that's what she's continuing to do right now.
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Speaker 1: You know, well, mean, you're right everything that you just said,
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Speaker 1: Sam Dordulian. But now to Anna Sonoda child grooming expert,
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Speaker 1: licensed clinical social worker, author of Duck Duck Groom Understanding
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Speaker 1: how a child becomes a target, just exactly the kind
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Speaker 1: of expert that Sam Dordiullion would call to the Standna,
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Speaker 1: have you ever seen scenarios where there's a breakup, a
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Speaker 1: romantic breakup, and the one party calls the other party goes, hey,
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Speaker 1: I think I left my umbrella at your house. You
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Speaker 1: could go buy anyone, right, or I think I left
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Speaker 1: my whatever, or I want to come by and pick
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Speaker 1: up my stuff.
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Speaker 2: It's an excuse. You don't need the hairspray, you don't
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Speaker 2: need the curling iron. You don't need any of that.
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Speaker 2: Leave it.
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Speaker 1: It's an excuse to contact the other person. See what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. Why is she still contacting this boy? And
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Speaker 1: if she is pregnant by this boy, that means they've
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Speaker 1: had sex within at least the last nine months. I
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Speaker 1: don't know how far along she is. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if this boy is the father. I know nothing about
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Speaker 1: the biological father, but I do know she's claiming it's
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Speaker 1: the boy.
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Speaker 2: But what about these continued phone calls? What if you
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Speaker 2: want child support?
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Speaker 10: Nancy, You've brought up some excellent points. I think where
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Speaker 10: we could start is with the four f's of grooming,
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Speaker 10: and that is flattery, favoritism, forbidden fruits, and fear.
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Speaker 2: I need to write that down.
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Speaker 1: Flattery, favoritism, forbidden fruits, and fear and fear.
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Speaker 10: And if we only understood that as a culture, that
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Speaker 10: every single time a predator is grooming a child and
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Speaker 10: a family, they're starting sweet, they're starting with flattery. And
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Speaker 10: that happened online with her using gaming consoles, personal devices,
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Speaker 10: and online gaming apps in order to flatter these boys
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Speaker 10: and give them attention. And then she selected and will
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Speaker 10: probably notice that there will be more than this one boy,
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Speaker 10: but there will be multiple children who were selected by
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Speaker 10: her as their favorite. What came across to me as
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Speaker 10: really compelling and egregious is that this initial attack, which
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Speaker 10: happened in twenty twenty one, occurred during a sleepover at
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Speaker 10: the teacher's home. And what we know from research is
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Speaker 10: that over eighty two percent of the time, the sexual
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Speaker 10: predator is going to victimize the child in their home.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I need to take in what you're just telling me.
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Speaker 1: The is this right, Audrey Conklin, and I have no
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Speaker 1: reason to doubt annas Notice.
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Speaker 2: She's been right on every fact she's ever spouted out.
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Speaker 1: Audrey Conklin, the first, I don't even want to call
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Speaker 1: it a sex encounter. Don't you think that's a mistake,
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Speaker 1: Samdor Dullian to call an adult having sex with a
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Speaker 1: child a sex encounter. And we seem to be bast
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Speaker 1: awkwards when it comes to boy victims because there's so
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Speaker 1: many jokes around it, like whow I want her to
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Speaker 1: be my room teacher when it comes to a boy.
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Speaker 1: When it's a girl, there's all sorts of outrage, as
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Speaker 1: there should be, but I don't think it's right to
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Speaker 1: call it sex because it's still a rape.
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Speaker 2: Samdordoulian, It absolutely is.
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Speaker 6: This is child molestation. This is rape. And what disturbs me,
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Speaker 6: just like you said, is when you read comments about
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Speaker 6: online about these you know, the female teacher with a
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Speaker 6: male student. Somehow it's supposed to be a good thing.
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Speaker 6: He should be proud of it, he should be boasting
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Speaker 6: about it. It is child molestation. These children, and they
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Speaker 6: are children, aren't making these decisions. They're being groomed, just
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Speaker 6: like your guests just spoke about.
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Speaker 1: Hey, can I tell you some Samdordullian and everybody on
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Speaker 1: the panel, it was a couple of months. Its actually
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Speaker 1: over the summer. The twin said that this little girl
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Speaker 1: that had been in their middle school class, which would
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Speaker 1: have meant five sixth seventh grade, had sent out nudies okay,
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Speaker 1: sent out naked pictures to Sunbock. Send it to one person.
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Speaker 1: Of course that person just send it to everybody. So
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Speaker 1: I guess the whole school has seen this poor girl
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Speaker 1: without her shirt. On long story short, my son told
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Speaker 1: me he said, Mom, she was topless.
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Speaker 2: He whispered the word.
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Speaker 1: Topless, Mom, she was topless. I'm like, really, my point
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Speaker 1: is they're not equipped to even talk frankly or logically
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Speaker 1: or with any real knowledge to talk about what sex sex,
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Speaker 1: much less engage in sex with a teacher.
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Speaker 2: Durdulian.
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Speaker 6: No, that's absolutely true, and the studies verify that. You know,
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Speaker 6: they've studies where they've tried to suggest certain things, certain touching,
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Speaker 6: not obviously sexual touching in the studies, but certain touching
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Speaker 6: that occurred, and children just aren't equipped to understand what
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Speaker 6: sex is, so it's very hard for them to even
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Speaker 6: be suggested that certain things happen. They don't know the subject,
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Speaker 6: they don't understand it, they don't understand the consequences of it.
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Speaker 6: That's why they are child of victims. This is not
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Speaker 6: someone that you know, we should be louding as all
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Speaker 6: good for him. You know, he's a male. So sometimes
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Speaker 6: it's something good, it's an awful thing that this child
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Speaker 6: will have to suffer, potentially permanently for the rest of
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Speaker 6: his life, the trauma that comes along with this, and
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Speaker 6: then if you throw in the other consequences, it's a
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Speaker 6: horrible situation. Whether it's sexual transmitted disease, whether it's pregnancies,
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Speaker 6: whether it's all these other things that no child is
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Speaker 6: ever thinking about at the time that they're being molested.
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Speaker 2: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: I want to go to a doctor Sherry Schwartz joining us
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Speaker 1: a boy, do we need a shrink forensics psychologists specializing
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Speaker 1: and take cases just like this author of criminal behavior
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Speaker 1: where law and psychology intersect, Doctor Sherry Sports Do you agree?
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Speaker 2: And I'm sure you can verbalize it much better than
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Speaker 2: I am.
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Speaker 1: That even the way you tell preteens or whatever age
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Speaker 1: you think is appropriate about sex, even the way you
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Speaker 1: tell them can affect how they see relationships, romantic relationships
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Speaker 1: for the rest of their life because they've gotten that
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Speaker 1: in their head. So what you tell them, so their
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Speaker 1: first encounter is going to be, let me say, colored
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Speaker 1: by what you've told them, and then that encounter will
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Speaker 1: affect the rest of the encounters and then the rest
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Speaker 1: of the encounters for the rest of their lives. So
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Speaker 1: my understanding is that you should not joke about it,
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Speaker 1: you shouldn't make line of it, you shouldn't be embarrassed
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Speaker 1: about it. That you should be, you know, frank a
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Speaker 1: matter of fact and like that. So this is going
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Speaker 1: to be this kid's first knowledge of sex, and that's
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Speaker 1: going to mess his head up the rest of his life.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely, and this is exactly what the research shows. And
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Speaker 11: you said it perfectly. And think about the extra added
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Speaker 11: influence and power that a teacher has over the kids
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Speaker 11: that they teach right the kids in their class, especially
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Speaker 11: from an early age, because as parents were all so
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Speaker 11: complicit in teaching children that they should trust and respect
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Speaker 11: their teacher, that their teacher is good and kind. And
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Speaker 11: now parents have to look at it the other way
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Speaker 11: and say, you know what, actually, this is just another
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Speaker 11: human being, and that's the conversation that you have to
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Speaker 11: have with your children very carefully. And this does have
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Speaker 11: long lasting harm on a child when there is teacher
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Speaker 11: abuse in any way, but especially in this way.
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Speaker 1: By to Audrey Conklin, an investigative reporter with foxne Digital,
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Speaker 1: was Anna Sinota correct? And I believe she is. That
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Speaker 1: the first rape of this little boy by his married
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Speaker 1: teacher was at the teacher's home.
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Speaker 7: Yes, he was spending the night at her house in
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Speaker 7: twenty twenty one, and he was sleeping when he awoke
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Speaker 7: to her allegedly sexually assaulting him. That's according to what
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Speaker 7: he told police in an affidavit.
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Speaker 1: Can I ask why the boy was sleeping at the
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Speaker 1: teacher's home just for starters.
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Speaker 7: We don't know that right now, that's not included in
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Speaker 7: the affidavit. But what we do know is that she
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Speaker 7: has children, so maybe it was, you know, some kind
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Speaker 7: of children sleepover. I'm not totally sure.
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Speaker 1: I know McCammon had been a fourth grade teacher at
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Speaker 1: Charger Academy. She was teaching English and language at the school.
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Speaker 2: I know that much.
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Speaker 1: I guess I'm not sure about this. Joining me is
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Speaker 1: Lisa Daddio, former police lieutenant, New Haven PD, Senior lecturer,
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Speaker 1: Director Center Advanced Policing and Graduate program coordinator.
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Speaker 2: They're at University of New Haven.
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Speaker 1: Lisa, I guess if it were cloaked in the verbiage,
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Speaker 1: well I'm having a class sleepover for all the all
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Speaker 1: the children, or let them come over and sleep over
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Speaker 1: with my children. I guess there's a way it could
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Speaker 1: have been presented innocently.
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Speaker 12: So you know, that's a tough one for me because
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Speaker 12: obviously many years investigating and then supervising the sexual assault unit.
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Speaker 12: So for me, it's always a red flag. I guess
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Speaker 12: not knowing that the town, the community, you know that
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Speaker 12: this is in or you know how they are with
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Speaker 12: other teachers, it could be perceived as innocent and there's
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Speaker 12: nothing wrong with it because it's a quote class you know,
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Speaker 12: type of event or you know, whichever. But again, knowing
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Speaker 12: what I know, for me, it the red flag, it's
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Speaker 12: predator behavior, it's you know, everything. My gosh, it's just horrific.
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Speaker 12: As more and more details of this case come out,
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Speaker 12: it's just honestly unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: Guys.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about a teacher. Her name is Alissa
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Speaker 1: mccommon now thirty eight. They just dropped a stink bomb
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the courtroom announcing we now know
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Speaker 1: that she's pregnant. It comes out in court, she announces
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Speaker 1: it in messages to the little boy she apparently has
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Speaker 1: been sleeping with and not sleep with raping, you know,
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Speaker 1: speaking of raping a boy. Joining me is forensic nurse
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Speaker 1: expert Rachel fisher By. Now you should know her name well.
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Speaker 1: She is a saying as a any sex assault nurse examiner,
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Speaker 1: She's been an expert witness all over the country. She
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Speaker 1: is in charge of forensic nursing consulting and education. Forensic
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Speaker 1: nursing consulting. Let that sink in Forensic nursing consulting in education,
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Speaker 1: at legal or inconsult dot org. That is a mouthful.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to work on that. Rachel Fisher Rachel Fisher,
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Speaker 1: how or even can you conduct a rape kit analysis
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Speaker 1: on a boy?
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Speaker 13: So when a boy comes into the hospital, we have
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Speaker 13: to do the whole exam where we get them naked
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Speaker 13: in our exam room. We have to tell them that
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Speaker 13: we're going to be touching their penis, we're going to
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Speaker 13: be moving their balls around whatever they call their parts,
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Speaker 13: and we actually have to physically touch and feel and
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Speaker 13: take swabs to take evidence. And as we're doing this,
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Speaker 13: typically the boys, even if they're young, they'll get an
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Speaker 13: erection and then the giggle and then they feel bad.
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Speaker 13: And that's the first time that we have to tell them.
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Speaker 13: You know, I'm a nurse, I'm touching your penis and
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Speaker 13: I'm rubbing this swab up and down to get DNA.
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Speaker 13: But that is a natural human response to stimulation, and
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Speaker 13: we have to explain to them that when they get
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Speaker 13: an erection and sometimes they ejaculate, they feel bad and
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Speaker 13: they feel guilty and that's many times why they don't
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Speaker 13: tell anybody because it felt good, right, And so that's
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Speaker 13: our first time to tell them that even though this
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Speaker 13: may feel good, I'm doing it for medical purposes and
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Speaker 13: that you know this is a safe place to do it.
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Speaker 13: But then it opens that conversation for them to feel
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Speaker 13: better about talking about it.
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Speaker 1: Can I tell you, Rachel, I didn't even think that's
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Speaker 1: what you were going to say, and I usually I
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Speaker 1: guess you'll agree, sand Or Jilly never asked the question.
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Speaker 2: You don't know the answer to.
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Speaker 1: I expect you, yeah, to start off about rubbing the
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Speaker 1: child's pedius and then getting interaction.
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Speaker 2: Now, I did not see that coming.
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Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say, well, there's really no
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Speaker 1: way to look at a boy until if the boy
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Speaker 1: has been raped. I thought that's what you were going
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Speaker 1: to see say. See, they did not teach me, for instance,
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Speaker 1: nursing in law school. Okay, that's why I did not
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Speaker 1: know what you were going to say. Because with a girl,
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Speaker 1: you can find bruising in the vaginal or anal area.
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Speaker 1: If the child had been a virgin, you will find
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Speaker 1: evidence of a hymen puncture or damage. You might find
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Speaker 1: scrapes or abrasions, all sorts of things. But with a boy,
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Speaker 1: what are you going to find? Although what you're saying
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Speaker 1: is DNA, you can.
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Speaker 13: Find injury on a boy, especially if there's circumcised versus circumcised.
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Speaker 13: We've seen, you know, in young children who haven't been circumcised,
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Speaker 13: and we don't know this. These children are you know
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Speaker 13: their status. But if you retract the foreskin, you can
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Speaker 13: it can tear away. And we've seen injuries of sexual
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Speaker 13: assaulted kids that their foreskin is torn and it causes scarring.
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Speaker 13: A lot of times you don't see scars, but scars
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Speaker 13: can be left behind. And if there's anal assaults, depending
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Speaker 13: what kind of salt happened, that there can be scars.
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Speaker 13: It's not always the case, but we look for scars.
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Speaker 13: We look for injuries, infections, especially STDs that can be transferred.
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Speaker 13: You don't know what they've been exposed to medically, depending
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Speaker 13: on what the person who assaulted them has, they can
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Speaker 13: pass that on to children and we see that all
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Speaker 13: the time that children are positive for STDs from their abuser.
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Speaker 1: You know a Rachel Fisher forensic expert that is amazing
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Speaker 1: to us lay people what you just said, because going
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Speaker 1: into this, I did not know any way that you
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Speaker 1: could tell unless there have been anal penetration. If a
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Speaker 1: boy had been raped, but there are certain ways. Now
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Speaker 1: in this case, I don't believe Audrey Conklin that he
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Speaker 1: went to the doctor or nurse immediately following the sex
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Speaker 1: with the teacher.
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Speaker 2: So there's not going to be any DNA.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, from what we understand, he was quiet or you
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Speaker 7: didn't come forward about it until a couple of years
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Speaker 7: after that first incident.
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Speaker 2: Who is this woman? Listen to our friends A crime
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Speaker 2: on Line.
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Speaker 14: Alyssa mccommon isn't new to teaching. Before she joined Charger Academy.
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Speaker 14: She was the fifth grade teacher at Cresview Elementary. At
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Speaker 14: Charger Academy, she teaches fourth grade English Language, Arts, and
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Speaker 14: social studies. Students in fourth grade are typically nine or
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Speaker 14: ten years old. Mccommon is also a married mom of
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Speaker 14: two daughters. In twenty twenty two, mccommon posted pictures of
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Speaker 14: her girl to social media on their first day of
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Speaker 14: eighth and fifth grades.
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Speaker 1: Dear Lord in Heaven were her daughters this kid's classmates.
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Speaker 1: I got to figure out the timing on that well
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Speaker 1: listener More.
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Speaker 14: Early in this school year, parents met with police reporting
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Speaker 14: their child had been sexually assaulted by mccommon. The now
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Speaker 14: sixteen year old student said he was twelve years old
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Speaker 14: at the time and in seventh grade. The students said
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Speaker 14: the assault happened in the Mcommon home where he was
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Speaker 14: spending the night. He says sometime in the night, the
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Speaker 14: teacher woke him and sexually assaulted him. There's no word
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Speaker 14: on why the boy was staying at the Mcommon home.
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Speaker 14: Multiple juveniles have now come forward claiming mccommon played video
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Speaker 14: games with them online, befriending them. The contact progressed to
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Speaker 14: communication through social media apps, where the teacher reportedly sent
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Speaker 14: inappropriate photos and asked for sex. According to police.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I was just about to say, if there's no
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Speaker 1: DNA and no physical evidence left, how are we going
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Speaker 1: to prove the case through technology. Let's just pray for
25:06
Speaker 1: the prosecution's sake that this woman has the iCloud because
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Speaker 1: all of those photos and requests are going to be
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Speaker 1: at their stored away. But speaking of technology, take a listener.
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Speaker 1: Friends at Action News.
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Speaker 15: Coming to Polisse say mccommon used a phone that police
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Speaker 15: did not know about and initiated contact with an alleged victim,
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Speaker 15: which is a violation of her bond. Police say mccommon
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Speaker 15: used a code number to communicate with the mail and
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Speaker 15: allegedly told him he would quote regret doing this. Police
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Speaker 15: say she also admitted to a sexual encounter with the mail.
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Speaker 15: Mccommon is now charged with coercion of a witness, aggravated stalking,
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Speaker 15: tampering with evidence, and harassment.
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Speaker 2: She's been held without bond. Tonight.
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Speaker 15: Tip and County authorities are asking anyone whose child may
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Speaker 15: have been contacted by an unknown number to call law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's not good, wasn't it the Weinstein case Audrey Conklin,
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Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein, the movie Mogul, where they actually had a
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Speaker 1: toll free number for women to call if he had
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Speaker 1: molested them or forced them into sit Yes, Jackie, it's
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Speaker 1: bad when you've got your own eight hundred number for
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Speaker 1: your sex victims.
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Speaker 7: Yes, I think you're right. I think that happens. And
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Speaker 7: we've seen that in a few different high profile sexual
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Speaker 7: assaught cases where they set up a number for other
26:32
Speaker 7: victims to come forward if they haven't done so already.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm about to go to WILLIAMS.
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Speaker 1: Slater, or cybersecurity expert and chief Information security officer at
26:41
Speaker 1: Slater Technologies. You can find me at Bill slater dot com.
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Speaker 1: But Bill, I'm just a little hung up on what
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Speaker 1: I just heard. Tipton County authorities are asking anyone whose
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Speaker 1: child may have been contacted by an unknown number to
26:56
Speaker 1: call law enforcement. They actually believe there are more victims. Okay,
27:03
Speaker 1: listen to our friends WRJ now CPD.
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Speaker 3: They say that other victims have come forward, saying Mcommon
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Speaker 3: started playing video games with them, which led to her
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Speaker 3: allegedly sending inappropriate photos and requesting sexual relations. Her attorney
27:17
Speaker 3: says she maintains her innocence.
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Speaker 16: We believe that it's borderline a witch hunt on social
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Speaker 16: media now, and that's frustrating to us.
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Speaker 2: A witch hunt? Are they kidding?
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Speaker 1: Sandor Dulian, a high profile lawyer joining out of la
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Speaker 1: former prosecutor. It's a witch hunt because the cops are
27:38
Speaker 1: looking for other victims of the teacher Elissabercommon.
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Speaker 2: That's the witch hunt.
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Speaker 6: We know from all of these cases. We've all seen
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Speaker 6: it before who worked in this industry, that these kind
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Speaker 6: of child predators, it's not just one, they have multiple victims.
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Speaker 6: It's just a matter of finding these multiple victims. And
27:57
Speaker 6: as more and more of these children come forward, of course,
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Speaker 6: she wants to ask the public about you know, whether
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Speaker 6: or not they're children who are not going to come
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Speaker 6: up and speak unless they're specifically asked, and even then
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Speaker 6: it's we're unsure if they're going to actually admit it.
28:10
Speaker 6: But these predators will commit these offenses against multiple children,
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Speaker 6: and that's something that we know from trying these type
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Speaker 6: of cases over and over again. And what's sad about
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Speaker 6: this particular one is that, like you said earlier, there's
28:24
Speaker 6: outrage when it's a male teacher, and there's less of
28:27
Speaker 6: an outrage when it's this female teacher because we're trained to,
28:30
Speaker 6: you know, put our guards down when it's a female,
28:33
Speaker 6: when it's a mom, we have expectations that they're not
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Speaker 6: going to be the child predators. But we've seen on
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Speaker 6: your show even multiple instances where you have these women
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Speaker 6: who are also child predators. We as parents have to
28:46
Speaker 6: keep our guards up. Just because it's a woman, just
28:48
Speaker 6: because it's a mom, doesn't mean they're not capable of
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Speaker 6: doing these horristic acts as we're seeing in this particular case.
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Speaker 1: To aa Sonoda joining us, child greaming expert, licensed clinical
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Speaker 1: social worker, author of Duck Duck Groom.
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Speaker 2: Understanding of how a child becomes a target. Anna.
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Speaker 1: If I don't ask you the next question, my producer
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Speaker 1: Jackie will never stop waiving a note at me.
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Speaker 2: It's very distracting.
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Speaker 1: The question is have you ever seen That's My Boy,
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Speaker 1: a movie by Adam Sandler where a parent, I've never
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Speaker 1: seen that. That just has not been on my list.
29:26
Speaker 1: About a team raising his teachers baby. Okay, it must
29:31
Speaker 1: be about Mary Kayla Turno that said, I think what
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Speaker 1: she's trying to communicate in her own very special, special
29:41
Speaker 1: way is that this is glamorized. This activity is glamorized.
29:49
Speaker 1: It's called Hotford teacher. Where you have this in the movies,
29:53
Speaker 1: and it's always some incredibly sexy teacher and a boy student.
29:58
Speaker 1: It's not hot, it's ripe, and it messes the kid's
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Speaker 1: head up forever.
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Speaker 10: You're exactly right, Nancy. Predators are fueled by gas, so grooming, access,
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Speaker 10: and space, and the school administrators here in this situation
30:15
Speaker 10: provided all three to this predator. There's a reason that
30:19
Speaker 10: she placed herself in elementary schools and in middle schools
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Speaker 10: because predators have a type, and her type is young
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Speaker 10: newly adolescent males. And one thing we have to remember,
30:33
Speaker 10: because we can often get ourselves into situations of feeling
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Speaker 10: parental paralysis because this is a very scary idea and
30:40
Speaker 10: the scary concept. But predators are going to do one
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Speaker 10: of two things. They're either going to elevate minor children
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Speaker 10: to the role of a peer, or they're going to
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Speaker 10: relate to children as an equal. So we don't need
30:54
Speaker 10: to be afraid of everybody, because predators stand out in
30:57
Speaker 10: their behavior. This teacher went out of her way to
31:01
Speaker 10: bring children to her She went onto gaming devices and
31:05
Speaker 10: gaming apps that the children were using. She brought children
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Speaker 10: to her home. There were many indicators of how she
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Speaker 10: was using the grooming process to select and attack her victims.
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Speaker 10: So in no way is this a situation that is
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Speaker 10: minor in any way, and you have.
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Speaker 2: To have intent. Have you ever got on Minecraft?
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Speaker 1: I tried to do something with my son John David
31:35
Speaker 1: and go on Minecraft. You know you build houses and
31:38
Speaker 1: things like that. It my head hurts just trying to
31:41
Speaker 1: remember me trying to build a house on Minecraft. This
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Speaker 1: woman must have been very determined if she's gone online
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Speaker 1: gaming as an intro to meet little kids. Crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grease, Okay, William Slater waiting patiently for a
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Speaker 1: reason William Slater did you ever.
32:13
Speaker 2: See any of the Winnie the Pooh movies ever in
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Speaker 2: your life?
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Speaker 9: I think I saw it once or twice. I like
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Speaker 9: William Winnie the Pooh, but I'm not a huge fan.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that was the first movie I ever took the
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Speaker 1: twins to ever, was the Winnie the Pooh movie.
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Speaker 2: It was playing at the cinement. Was a new one
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Speaker 2: at that time.
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Speaker 1: And in every Pooh movie, he always falls into a
32:36
Speaker 1: vat of honey.
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Speaker 2: It could be a bowl, it could be a big barrel.
32:41
Speaker 2: He could be trapped in there and he's eating his
32:43
Speaker 2: way out and he's so happy. That's what I feel
32:45
Speaker 2: like right now.
32:46
Speaker 1: Why Why do I feel that way when I'm talking
32:49
Speaker 1: about a serious case because of tech technology? You heard
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Speaker 1: Rachel Fisher, the forensic nurse. You heard Sam door Dullian,
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Speaker 1: doctor Sherry Schwartz, Lisa Daddio. We don't have physical evidence,
33:08
Speaker 1: but what such as DNA. But what we do have
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Speaker 1: is tech A mile long. William Slater, cybersecurity expert, Chief
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Speaker 1: Information Security Officer at Slater Technology. Find him at buildslater
33:22
Speaker 1: dot com. I mean a burner phone. What school teacher
33:27
Speaker 1: needs a burner phone? I mean criminal law still investigating cases.
33:31
Speaker 1: I don't need a burner phone. Why does a fourth
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Speaker 1: grade teacher need a couple of burner phones?
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Speaker 2: How are we going to track the burner phones?
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Speaker 1: How are we gonna get all of those alleged naked
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Speaker 1: or suggestive photos and texts down out of the iCloud?
33:47
Speaker 1: Because you know she's erased at all, William Slater.
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Speaker 9: Well, first of all, I don't think she's probably smart
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Speaker 9: enough to cover her tracts forensically.
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Speaker 2: She got a burner phone, so she knows something.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's very telling. When she was first arrested, I'm
34:03
Speaker 9: sure there was a court order that barred her from
34:07
Speaker 9: having any communication with the young man she was accused
34:11
Speaker 9: of being involved with. Yeah, that worked. Well, yeah, I know.
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Speaker 9: So it's pretty appaired to me that at this point
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Speaker 9: she was eligible for surveillance and they were just waiting
34:25
Speaker 9: for her to screw up. And I'd like to politely
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Speaker 9: remind everybody that this is like the Mary Kay Laturno
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Speaker 9: affair in the mid nineties, where she got involved with
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Speaker 9: a twelve year old also was a teacher. Really, yeah,
34:41
Speaker 9: it broke up her marriage and she wound up after
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Speaker 9: spending seven and a half years in jail. She wound
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Speaker 9: up marrying the guy, but that just did work out.
34:51
Speaker 9: She passed away in twenty twenty at the age of
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Speaker 9: fifty eight. This is like, this situation is like Mary
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Speaker 9: Laternal with all the techs. And I'll make a comment here,
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Speaker 9: and I think this is important to state. I've been
35:08
Speaker 9: in the industry over forty years, actually forty six years,
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Speaker 9: and one thing that I've noticed. I started noticing this
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Speaker 9: in two thousand and seven, is that you get people
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Speaker 9: that gaming is like a cult, it's like a subculture
35:26
Speaker 9: in society, and so gamers it's so stimulating to their
35:32
Speaker 9: brains that they like to hunt out other gamers and
35:36
Speaker 9: discuss their experiences. So I think once she found out
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Speaker 9: that these young people were in the computer video games,
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Speaker 9: that was her ticket in to kind of get their attention.
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Speaker 9: And they start discussing the things that gamers discuss. So
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Speaker 9: to me, that ought to be a red flag that
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Speaker 9: you've got adults talking about their gaming experiences with young people.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but not to children.
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Speaker 1: I mean Lisa Daddio, my son, has said many many
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Speaker 1: times about a particular Scout leader. Yeah, he plays video games,
36:11
Speaker 1: or he can do X or Y, or he talks
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Speaker 1: about A or B and there are things that relate
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Speaker 1: to children, and don't worry, Lisa. I immediately checked out
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Speaker 1: Scout leader totally okay, and did surveillance. I might add
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Speaker 1: you do recall the story that two years in a
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Speaker 1: row I made my husband train to be a volunteer
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Speaker 1: and go camping on the scout trip. It was the
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Speaker 1: week in Hgul. Okay, I should have gotten an eagle
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Speaker 1: Scout in that one week. One day I walked thirty
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Speaker 1: five thousand steps okay, watching the twins to make sure
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Speaker 1: they weren't being molested. Guess what they weren't, Lisa Daddio.
36:47
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you have seen the scenario before,
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Speaker 1: not with the teacher of maybe, but where the adult
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Speaker 1: grooms the child. The first case I had this way
36:59
Speaker 1: was the It was a little boy. I can see
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Speaker 1: him right now, and he was learning disabled and one
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Speaker 1: thing he loved he loved to go to the arcade.
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Speaker 1: That's where you'd have to go to an arcade like
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Speaker 1: in a mall or something to play video games. And
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Speaker 1: his attacker, who was to some people not me an attractive,
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Speaker 1: accomplished married guy, great job education the works, would give
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Speaker 1: him roles Jackie of quarters, and then he would use
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Speaker 1: up the quarters and then he'd take the little boy
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Speaker 1: home in the lesson, so he groomed him. He was
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Speaker 1: playing those games at the arcade, right grimming Lisa Daddio.
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Speaker 12: Oh, absolutely, And honestly, Nancy, we've seen it repeatedly, and
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Speaker 12: it's I don't know, I think, for at least me,
37:45
Speaker 12: I'm a mom. I have three boys investigative this type
37:49
Speaker 12: of stuff. Obviously, I find it more disturbing when the
37:54
Speaker 12: perpetrators are women, and I just can't in my mind.
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Speaker 9: Wrap around the whole.
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Speaker 12: At what point do you wake up and say, hey
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Speaker 12: today to go out and read Hey.
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Speaker 1: I want to follow up on something you just said,
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Speaker 1: Lisadaddio with doctor Sherry Schwartz. She's right, yourrs, doctor Sherry Schwartz.
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Speaker 1: Of course we're now forensic psychologist and author, doctor Sherry Schwartz.
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Speaker 1: Youurr rs have a harder time accepting that a female
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Speaker 1: defendant rape someone, or it kills someone, or abused a child,
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Speaker 1: because they think of their own mother, their sister, their grandma.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to take that in.
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Speaker 1: But once they accept it, they are vengeful. Because I
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Speaker 1: think grrs and people in general equate like we're hearing
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Speaker 1: Lisa Daddio say, you don't really expect this from a woman.
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Speaker 1: Statistically it's low. But I think we equate other women
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Speaker 1: with being moms and that what mom would do this?
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Speaker 1: She's got two girls, why would she do this to
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Speaker 1: a little boy?
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Speaker 11: You're exactly right, this is exactly in a way. It's
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Speaker 11: kind of a burden on women. But it cuts both
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Speaker 11: ways because we look at women and say, no, they're
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Speaker 11: not perpetrators. A sleepover at her house is going to
39:05
Speaker 11: be perfectly safe because she's a woman and she's a
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Speaker 11: mom who wouldn't dare to hurt another child. But you
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Speaker 11: are absolutely right. Once people accept that, they are going
39:14
Speaker 11: to be especially hard on that woman, and in a
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Speaker 11: way as they should be.
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Speaker 1: You know, earlier I was asking our tech expert, William Slater,
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Speaker 1: how are we going to prove this case the technology?
39:25
Speaker 1: What about this? Prove it through similar transactions? Take a
39:29
Speaker 1: Let's Star friends WRG.
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Speaker 16: We don't know their ages or genders, but tonight we
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Speaker 16: know multiple children under the age of eighteen have come
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Speaker 16: forward with disturbing allegations accusing thirty eight year old teacher
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Speaker 16: Elissa mccommon of inappropriate conduct.
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Speaker 17: As a seasoned detective, I can tell you there's no
39:48
Speaker 17: more cases that are more troubling to anybody to have
39:51
Speaker 17: to work than when you have an authority figure that
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Speaker 17: possibly has breached to trust that this community has given her.
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Speaker 16: So tonight, Chief Turner says, the focus is on finding
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Speaker 16: any other possible victims so they can get them help
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Speaker 16: and file charges against Mcommon.
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Speaker 17: We just want to encourage and urge any victims or
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Speaker 17: their families to come down and speak with us or
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Speaker 17: to speak to the sheriff's office.
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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, they really think there are other young victims.
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Speaker 1: This kid twelve years old when he reportedly was raped
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Speaker 1: by his female teacher, a married mom of two. What
40:28
Speaker 1: about this? Augi Couchlin joining me, investigative reporter, Fox News Digital.
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Speaker 1: So the claim is made she has raped the little boy,
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Speaker 1: she gets a bond.
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Speaker 2: Is it true, Audrey?
40:43
Speaker 1: That she gets out on bond and one of the
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Speaker 1: first things she does is contact the little boy against
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Speaker 1: her bond conditions and says you'll regret this.
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Speaker 7: Yes, that's what police and local news are saying. They're
40:57
Speaker 7: saying that she contacted the boy a previously unknown phone
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Speaker 7: number and was sending him text messages, and there was
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Speaker 7: a phone call. Apparently she told him that he would
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Speaker 7: regret this. You know, I think I think we can
41:14
Speaker 7: assume that she means he'll regret speaking out against her
41:19
Speaker 7: and coming forward with his allegations. And then she quickly,
41:24
Speaker 7: you know, I think, realized what she was doing and
41:27
Speaker 7: staid in another text messages and an other text message
41:30
Speaker 7: that she wouldn't contact him again and please don't say anything.
41:34
Speaker 7: So she's obviously scared of retaliation and.
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Speaker 1: Whoa hold on, lady, not retaliation, prosecution, because Sam.
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Speaker 11: Door Julian and yeah, that's what I'm I'm.
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Speaker 1: Just so happy you did, because it gave me a
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Speaker 1: chance to really like raise a little HG double al
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Speaker 1: on you, hey, Samdrdulian. That's called intimidating a witness. So
41:57
Speaker 1: now she's back in jail because the very first thing
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Speaker 1: she did is do what the judge said, stay away
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Speaker 1: from the victim, don't contact the victim, and she writes,
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Speaker 1: you'll regret this.
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Speaker 2: Ah ah, She's going to jail. I don't think she's
42:09
Speaker 2: ever going to get back out.
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Speaker 6: Well I hope she doesn't, because you know, we're talking
42:13
Speaker 6: about what she did to this little boy We're talking
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Speaker 6: about what she did to multiple children, and the impact
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Speaker 6: on these kids is something that we don't talk about enough.
42:21
Speaker 6: I mean, this is lifelong trauma. There's new studies that
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Speaker 6: are coming out that aren't even talking about the emotional
42:27
Speaker 6: harm of the psychological harm. They're talking about physical harm
42:31
Speaker 6: to the brain. We have multiple sexual molestations, as these
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Speaker 6: kids have probably faced. It starts changing the structure of
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Speaker 6: the brain. You're talking about a brain injury. You know,
42:42
Speaker 6: we talk about it in the terms of psychological injury,
42:46
Speaker 6: but this is lifelong, permanent injury that we're now starting
42:49
Speaker 6: to understand would have an impact on the child's brain
42:52
Speaker 6: and how that brain develops. The significance and the impact
42:55
Speaker 6: is so great that I hope to God she doesn't
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Speaker 6: see the light of day so she harms another child,
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Speaker 6: because she's clearly a predator, and.
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Speaker 1: So many children hurt here. If the allegations are true,
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Speaker 1: and I wrote no reason to disbelieve the little boy,
43:08
Speaker 1: her own children have been dragged into this.
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Speaker 2: What a mess. Actually, it's a felony.
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Speaker 1: If you have information regarding Alyssa mccommon or any of
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Speaker 1: her potential victims, please call nine zero one four seven
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Speaker 1: five one two six' one repeat nine zero one four seven,
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Speaker 1: five one two six one Goodbye friend,