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Beetlejuice Beetlejuice · Pop Culture Junkie®

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  ♪ Entertain me, Entertain me right now! ♪
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  - Hello and welcome to the one and only
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  - I like that.
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  - Yes, yeah.
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  - Not really.
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  - Who are you?
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  - My name is Olivia.
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  - My name is Shauna.
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  - Yeah, and it's so good to be back with you guys.
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  So Shauna, since I've been gone,
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  I've heard that you actually had quite the encounter.
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  - I did.
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  Okay, so I have two jobs.
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  I don't know how it happened.
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  Whoops.
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  - The Academy.
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  - Technically three.
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  - Oh god, this is a job too.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Shit, I need to do it.
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  - Good bad.
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  This is my last episode.
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  (laughing)
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  So I bartend at a place in Phoenix.
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  And it was a chill Sunday night in this guy walks in
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  and he had a mask on like a COVID style mask
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  and just has on a baby blue like New York Yankees hat
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  with the stickers still on,
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  believe fucking belt.
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  - Okay.
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  - And these clean Jordans.
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  - Okay.
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  - And it's like, can I buy something so I can charge my cell phone
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  and I said, well, yeah, of course, you're on a beard.
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  So he sits at the bar,
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  his plugs in his cell phone and I was like,
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  what do you usually like to drink?
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  - Bud light.
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  - Well, we don't have any Bud light
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  'cause we're a craft beer bar.
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  But here let me pour you like a light beer or something similar.
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  So I put it down in front of him and it came out to like
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  $6 and he puts down a 20.
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  I give him his change and he just leaves the change sitting there.
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  And after a couple of minutes, he's like, this is your tip.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Like, okay.
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  Interesting.
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  - He leaves the mask on and he's sitting there talking
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  to a guy at the bar and they're talking about kid cutie
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  and Kanye, like old Kanye versus New Kanye.
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  - And I thought this was the most interesting part.
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  So they're going into this discussion of music.
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  - How Kanye has really started to go downhill, right?
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  - He said that he does not like,
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  I haven't even said who this is.
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  - Yeah, no, but that's a point.
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  - Okay.
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  So he is talking about how new Kanye's music's weird.
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  He has some song, I guess I didn't listen to it
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  'cause fuck Kanye, where he repeats the same term,
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  like 23 times.
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  And he was like, seriously, you think that's cool
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  to the next guy?
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  - Yeah.
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  - Like they were joking, riffing,
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  'cause he's like, oh, I think Kanye is a matte,
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  a matte, a matte.
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  - I don't know, I still like him.
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  And he's like, he thought that was cool.
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  - He thought that was good.
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  - He said that's what he was talking to.
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  - He thought that was good.
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  - And I'm looking at him and I can see his eyes.
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  And I said, you look a lot like Lil Nas X.
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  And he's like, yeah, I get that a lot.
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  At this point, he still is not taking a single sip
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  of his peer.
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  - Yeah, 'cause he doesn't want to take the mask off.
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  - He doesn't want to take the mask off.
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  - And so I start putting like this together.
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  I'm like, why did he tip us so much for single beer
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  that he hasn't even drank?
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  Hasn't taken his mask off,
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  'cause he doesn't want us to see his face.
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  So he's there for a while.
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  He ends up buying like a can to go.
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  He only takes off his mask when he goes to the back
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  of the restaurant.
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  We're no one can see him.
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  And I see him dancing to the music like this.
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  (laughing)
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  And I was like, and I texted my coworker
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  and I said, dog, I'm pretty sure that's Lil Nas X.
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  Like I think that is him.
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  - Yeah.
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  - So he's paying, closing out on the,
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  he pays for the to go beer.
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  And again, tips another like 10 bucks, 20 bucks.
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  And I was like, you have to tell us
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  if you're secretly a little Nas X, okay.
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  And he just goes, oh, you caught me all jokingly.
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  A black sedan pulls up in the middle of the street
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  outside with tinted windows.
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  He walks up, gets in the back seat and drives away.
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  And I go Lil Nas X's Instagram page.
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  - Yeah.
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  - He's in Arizona.
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  - Oh wow.
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  - And he posted the same hat that he was wearing.
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  So it was 100% Lil Nas X.
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  - I love it, but he's like, oh, I'll pay for something.
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  It's like, you could have just been like,
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  can I trust my phone?
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  - He could have been like, I'm Lil Nas X.
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  Can I trust my phone?
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  - Yes.
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  - I would have probably had a lot more questions.
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  Like what, what's going on?
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  - Why am I here?
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  - He walked in through like the weird side entrance
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  on the street.
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  - Oh, maybe he has like a hook up.
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  - That's for the week.
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  The rest of the night was just,
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  all the customers, he came and all the regulars were like,
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  Lil Nas X was just here.
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  - Yeah, it's for the real T of it all is the opinion on Kanye.
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  - It's the correct opinion.
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  - It's a correct opinion.
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  - It's much better on you, God yeah.
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  - Yeah.
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  - And then he was very nice.
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  He was so delightful.
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  And then I found a lot,
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  'cause I was searching Reddit.
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  I was in a Lil Nas X Reddit holder.
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  - Yeah.
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  - And I found a lot of pictures of him wearing those shoes,
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  wearing the belt with the hat.
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  - So you really went in and there are a lot of things.
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  - Yeah, I love that.
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  - He was so thoughtful.
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  - He was so thoughtful.
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  - The one time I'm gone, I was like, damn it.
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  - Literally.
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  And I took that ship from another bartender
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  that she came in later to like drink.
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  And she's like, the one night I'm not working,
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  you get to meet Lil Nas X.
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  After I told him, but he looked like Lil Nas X,
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  I was like, that's a compliment by the way,
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  because I love him.
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  - Yeah.
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  - And I really do.
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  I love him.
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  - Yeah.
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  - So it's so meta.
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  - It's amazing.
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  - That is true.
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  Like I bet you celebrities really look at COVID
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  so differently because they did get anonymity
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  that they didn't normally have.
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  And like I think Lil Nas X has very distinct eyes,
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  but even that's how I thought he's pretty nice.
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  - Oh geez.
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  - No, like who that person is.
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  And like, you know, like someone like a Harry Styles.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Who would normally get like stalked.
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  Like people figured out what his mass face looked like.
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  - Yeah.
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  - But for like a period of time, like they were able
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  to kind of go out and I exist.
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  So it's probably like a weird juxtaposition for them of like,
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  oh yeah, I can just look like it.
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  - Kind of lay in the--
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  - Someone who's like a germaphogue.
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  - Yeah.
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  And like when he first walked in,
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  that's what I just kind of assumed.
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  I can no offense to anyone who still looks mask.
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  Like I mean deficient to people.
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  - Do you need it?
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  - But then it became clear that he's not even drinking the beer.
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  He never took a single sip of the beer.
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  - Yeah.
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  - I guess you would have to go like up.
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  - Yeah.
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  - And like, yeah.
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  - And then I saw one picture of him recently
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  and he had like grills and stuff.
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  - And I, then you would have really, really, yeah.
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  So I could just man with a diamonds in his teeth
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  and from a big, his diamond earrings too.
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  Like longer.
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  - I looked at him, I was like, this is a wealthy person.
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  (laughing)
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  I have my shea and earrings on.
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  I'm like, this is like rich person.
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  - I love that so much.
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  Well, while you were meeting Little Nons' ex,
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  I was actually watching the sequel, "Lives of Mormon Wise,"
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  which, to a very, very, very different--
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  - Speaking of Little Nons' ex.
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  - Oh, so, you know, the, so they were,
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  well, Taylor Frankie Paul, who's like the main character
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  on the show, is known for the soft swinging Mormon.
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  - Okay, wait, real quick clarifying question.
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  Is this a reality show or a scripted show?
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  - It's a reality show.
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  - Okay, what's it on?
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  - It's on Hulu now, but it started with these TikTokers.
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  And so basically like a couple of years ago,
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  the soft swinging Mormon scandal came out.
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  - It's the soft swinging.
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  But like, actually having sex.
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  - So so. - So then get that far into it.
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  But they were like swapping, they were like,
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  swapping husbands, and doing all the stuff.
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  - Would they do all the stuff?
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  - And stuff?
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  - The side sex.
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  Like, they weren't doing sex.
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  - Yeah, yeah.
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  They weren't doing sex, but they're doing everything but.
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  And so it comes out, but like, it comes out on Reddit.
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  And so this girl, Taylor Frankie Paul,
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  decides to just be like, you know what, screw it.
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  No one's taking my story.
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  I'm gonna go tell it.
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  - How it?
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  - It's on the internet and starts telling this whole story.
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  And you know, the Hulu producers were like,
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  we gotta get on with this.
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  - More Mormons.
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  - And so they start shooting this pilot
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  with this woman, Taylor Frankie Paul.
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  As this happens, she starts stating another guy,
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  while they're filming the pilot,
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  she gets arrested for domestic violence.
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  - Oh my God.
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  - And it is called the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
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  And it's all about this Mormon mom talk like,
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  is it like Utah, like they are very Mormon?
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  - Even more Mormon.
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  - Some of them are very Mormon.
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  Some of them are not very Mormon on the show.
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  - Is there they like fundamentalist?
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  - Yeah, I mean, most Mormon Utah's are very, very strict.
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  Just because they've grown up in that culture.
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  So it's, this is how the world got introduced to them.
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  And then you come in and it's the first episode
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  I will not lie, it's a little hard to get through.
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  But after it looked me.
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  - In turn.
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  - Oh my God, it's so good.
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  I never followed them before, but now I'm just like,
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  it's so sucked in on all their drama.
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  There's a bunch of after-cash drama.
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  - What?
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  - This one male-ciffin of world.
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  - I'm really in reality shows most of the time.
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  - She wants to play the victim so bad,
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  but in turn she made herself the biggest villain
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  in the whole show.
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  And it's so good.
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  And I'm just so excited for her season too.
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  So a very opposite size of the spectrum.
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  But we were having fun.
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  I was, I was in a hotel in San Francisco,
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  learned about Utah, but two very different places.
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  Let's say that, you know.
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  - So funny that like the things that we've watched
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  when we were in a hotel room,
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  pretty true amount of time, like you end up
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  rewatching old Adam Sandler movies.
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  They're always on.
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  Happy Gilmore is always on.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Or you find some E or was Bravo or something
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  and you're like, whatever.
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  - Yeah, I got all the sex in the city.
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  - It's always all sex in the city.
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  And I watch that in every hotel room.
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  But yeah, it's like you gotta find something
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  to kill those evenings.
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  - Kill those evenings.
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  - Kill those evenings.
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  - Awesome.
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  Well, that sounds amazing.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Speaking of what might happen to us in the afterlife,
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  we're gonna talk about a movie sequel
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  that recently came out that was 40 years in the making.
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  (dramatic music)
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  The biggest movie news this past year or so, probably.
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  Was the announcement of a sequel to Beetlejuice
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  some 49 years since the first one.
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  I'm just kidding, it was 36.
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  - You made me feel pretty old then.
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  - What?
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  - What?
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  - What?
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  - How did that work?
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  - How did that work?
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  Tim Burton made a sequel to the first movie
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  and it just came out.
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  We're gonna talk about that and have a slightly
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  spoilery discussion.
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  But let's first revisit the reason for the sequel,
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  1988 Beetlejuice.
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  - Yes.
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  And so like we mentioned,
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  we're gonna talk a little bit about Beetlejuice.
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  It came out 36 years ago.
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  So we are gonna spoil that a little bit for you.
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  - When we were in "Spoil This Movie"
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  that came out in the '80s.
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  - Yeah, absolutely.
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  - Yes, yes, yes.
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  Once we get into the newest movie that came out,
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  "Beatlejuice Beetlejuice," we will kind of let you know
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  when the spoilers are so you can pause it,
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  come back after you've seen the movie.
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  - Mm-hmm.
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  - But you know, really earlier today,
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  I wanted to actually go in and rewatch Beetlejuice.
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  You know, you guys had done an episode on Beetlejuice
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  in the past, the trailer.
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  - And I was pre-elever.
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  - Before I had joined.
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  So I wanted to kind of quickly give out my
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  rendition of my Beetlejuice thoughts
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  and really ultimately what I thought of the movie.
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  The first note that I have for you guys is,
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  how did I forget "Alic Baldwin" used to be so hot?
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  - He was so handsome in this movie.
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  - Yeah, oh my God.
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  - And she and Davis is gorgeous.
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  - Yeah, I think it's all the evil inside of "Alic Baldwin"
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  that made me forget it.
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  And then it has made him just like rapidly lose it.
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  - He just gets like saggy or
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  - Yeah. - And they're more cranky.
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  - Yeah, all the hateful and - Yeah, all the hateful.
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  - All the hateful. - All the hateful.
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  - All the hateful. - All the hateful.
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  - And all those things.
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  But really,
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  the rapid succession of my note is,
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  what would you realistically do if your neighbor
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  was putting your house on the market without your consent?
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  - What?
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  - Can you imagine?
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  - Like she just comes in and it's like,
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  this house is much too big for you.
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  I've actually put it on the off,
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  or I put it up and I'm already getting offers for this.
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  - How dare you live here?
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  - Yeah, first of all.
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  - Because you don't have children.
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  - And it's like, like what a crazy concept.
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  Just your neighbor actually putting her house
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  on the market without her consent.
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  - She's hustling.
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  - She's a real estate. - She's a real estate.
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  - She's a real estate. - She's a real estate.
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  - She has some work.
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  - It's chill.
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  - I love these just random notes.
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  - Yeah, the next one is,
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  that dog had murder in its soul.
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  - I forgot there was a dog.
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  - The dog murders them.
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  A lot of murders.
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  - I was like runs in front of the con.
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  - Yeah, runs in front of the con.
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  - That's her. - And then they actually
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  like fall into the water.
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  - That's her, okay.
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  - I do have some semantics of it
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  because the windows were open.
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  So realistically,
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  how could we not get out of the car?
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  - Maybe they just gave up.
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  - Yeah, they just said, you know what, screw it.
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  - I mean, at some point you just kind of go,
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  "It had to take me."
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  - When I was actually-- - She just
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  - She just took the wheel.
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  - When I was researching this though,
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  the original script for this film
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  had a much much darker turn.
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  - Like that thing. - That they were gonna do.
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  Where it was these people from within this city
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  of wherever they are in Connecticut
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  is chasing them, like kind of like pitchfork style.
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  - Or what?
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  - And ultimately they're trying to avoid them
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  and they drown.
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  - So they died like the 1600s or something.
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  - Yeah, they drown.
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  - Like horrifically, like while these people
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  were chasing them and they ended up cutting it out
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  of the story to make it more of like a horror comedy.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Ultimately I think it was a good choice,
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  but the original-- - A dog
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  - Reading out in front of your car
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  and you fall off the bridge.
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  - Yeah, it's pretty.
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  - It's pretty like, oh, yeah.
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  - Yeah, yeah.
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  - Oh, I'm in my dream house, my staycation,
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  and then they end up getting there.
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  My next no was ultimately,
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  if there are six in the afterlife,
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  does that mean that there's weed?
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  I'm asking the really important question,
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  fear. - I live in order to know
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  before she goes. (laughs)
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  If she can bring her Rick and Morty Bong.
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  - Yeah, it's a fair question.
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  - It's my Rick and Morty coming with me.
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  He better, me seeks, me seeks, you know.
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  - And you name your Bong, Mr. Meessing.
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  - Yeah, because it helps me with so many things, you know.
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  Me seek.
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  - Me seek.
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  - Yeah, and then my final no in this one was
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  Keaton must have had so much fun being this character,
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  and he's recently said in interviews
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  that this is actually his favorite character,
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  he's played all time, so.
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  - He just gets to be so silly in goofy,
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  and he gets that one F-bomb per movie.
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  - Yeah, I wonder if he was like,
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  channeling a specific person,
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  like, you know how Patrick Bateman is inspired
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  by Tom Cruise.
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  - Jumping up and down the couch.
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  - Yeah, I really are just the psychopaths.
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  - Just the best thing.
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  - That Tom Cruise is is like,
• 14:37
  who do you think Keaton was like channeling?
• 14:40
  Like, in my mind, the first thing I thought of
• 14:42
  was like Harvey Weinstein.
• 14:44
  - Oh my God.
• 14:45
  - 'Cause Beetlejuice is a fucking creep, okay.
• 14:47
  - Beetlejuice really is.
• 14:48
  - He's a been the first movie.
• 14:49
  - In the first movie, he's a predator.
• 14:50
  - He's very, very touchy.
• 14:52
  - He's like, roping.
• 14:53
  - He's roping.
• 14:54
  - He's roping.
• 14:55
  - Real quick, we've already kind of covered it,
• 14:57
  but Beetlejuice was directed by Tim Burton,
• 14:59
  Michael McDowell, Warren Scar and Larry Wilson,
• 15:03
  got writing credits.
• 15:04
  Alec Baldwin and Gina Davis were in it,
• 15:06
  famously Michael Keaton that we mentioned
• 15:09
  and our fave here at the podcast, Winona writer.
• 15:12
  The obnoxious Beetlejuice played by Michael Keaton
• 15:15
  was kind of a predator.
• 15:16
  He wants to marry Lydia, who is a teenager.
• 15:21
  - She's strange.
• 15:23
  - Yeah.
• 15:24
  - And unusual.
• 15:25
  - She's so weird.
• 15:26
  - I quote Beetlejuice all the time, Andrew.
• 15:28
  Whenever I, like,
• 15:30
  in a depressive episode or because I'm quote,
• 15:33
  "Gotha, Jason."
• 15:34
  - Yeah.
• 15:35
  - My whole life is a dark room.
• 15:37
  One, dark room.
• 15:39
  (laughs)
• 15:40
  - He's like, are you doing okay?
• 15:42
  - No.
• 15:43
  - No.
• 15:44
  - Have I ever?
• 15:45
  - I do think it's kind of interesting.
• 15:46
  So like the way that Tim Burton displays purgatory,
• 15:50
  really ultimately is like the civil servant government office.
• 15:55
  - Is it a shot?
• 15:55
  - Like even after you die,
• 15:57
  you still have to have a shot.
• 15:58
  - Are you kidding me?
• 16:00
  That's my health.
• 16:01
  - Well, that's like the joke in the first one.
• 16:03
  She's like, I wouldn't have had my little accident.
• 16:05
  If I knew this was gonna happen.
• 16:07
  So like Tim Burton's portrayal of purgatory,
• 16:11
  which is where you go in religion.
• 16:13
  If you, you know, live yourself is civil servant.
• 16:18
  (laughs)
• 16:18
  - It's kind of weird, like, if you think about Tim Burton's,
• 16:23
  I don't know, concept of the afterlife, like you're saying.
• 16:25
  So there's a heaven and a hell, it seems like.
• 16:29
  And then in this area where beetle juiced
• 16:31
  in the waiting room exists is kind of your waiting room.
• 16:34
  So when you first die, no matter how good you are on earth,
• 16:37
  you have to go here.
• 16:38
  - Yep.
• 16:39
  - And then they decide whether or not you go to the great beyond
• 16:43
  or you burn and hell, I kind of.
• 16:45
  - So the way that I thought of it more was Burton's idea was,
• 16:50
  you are within the place that you died.
• 16:53
  And if you want to try to go somewhere else or change that,
• 16:57
  like you go into that civil servanthood,
• 16:59
  but I don't know if the lore behind it
• 17:01
  has really been broken down, or meant to be.
• 17:03
  - I mean, I guess we can't hurt someone
• 17:05
  - It's much smarter than us has done it.
• 17:06
  - Right, I guess we'll get a little into it
• 17:08
  when we talk about the sequel.
• 17:10
  'Cause they have different levels of kind of the afterlife
• 17:14
  than the ATES.
• 17:15
  So we'll retouch that there.
• 17:17
  But I would hate to think that I was like a good person,
• 17:20
  my whole life, and then I'd die.
• 17:22
  And I'd just like,
• 17:23
  - Sean, you have to work at the DMV now.
• 17:24
  Are you kidding me?
• 17:26
  - Yeah, I like, no, wait, why?
• 17:28
  - I should have sent more.
• 17:30
  - I don't know if I know it.
• 17:32
  I was just gonna be at the DMV no matter what.
• 17:34
  I would have done a lot more for that.
• 17:35
  - I would have had a lot more fun.
• 17:36
  I would have had a lot more fun.
• 17:38
  - Well, what's really interesting about the first
• 17:39
  Beetlejuice movie, and I think a lot of people forget this
• 17:42
  is this is actually Tim Burton's second movie
• 17:45
  than he ever did.
• 17:45
  - I didn't know that.
• 17:47
  - What was the first one?
• 17:47
  - Peewee's big adventure.
• 17:48
  - Oh my God, I always forget that he did.
• 17:50
  - Yeah, so he was very like fun and kind of silly and goofy.
• 17:55
  And that's how people saw him.
• 17:57
  And a lot of the people who took this all thought
• 17:59
  that their careers were gonna be ended
• 18:01
  by teaming this on.
• 18:03
  - Interesting.
• 18:04
  - But they believed in it as like an independent film
• 18:06
  and something that was worth saying.
• 18:08
  And most people don't know this,
• 18:10
  but the studio at the last minute
• 18:13
  wanted to rename it from Beetlejuice to House of Ghost,
• 18:17
  which are you talking?
• 18:18
  - House of Ghost.
• 18:19
  - House of Ghost, what?
• 18:20
  - That's dumb.
• 18:21
  - The dumbest thing I've ever heard.
• 18:22
  - Don't lie.
• 18:23
  - And in sarcasm, Tim Burton said,
• 18:25
  "We should just call it scared sheetless."
• 18:27
  And the producers didn't take it as a joke
• 18:31
  and it was almost called scared sheetless.
• 18:34
  (laughing)
• 18:35
  - Which I actually didn't hate it
• 18:37
  because they do have the sheets over them
• 18:39
  and the first movie.
• 18:41
  And it's a little bit of tongue and cheek within it,
• 18:43
  but I think ultimately like for it to not be Beetlejuice
• 18:47
  would just be like there is a alternate universe
• 18:51
  where that exists and who knows?
• 18:53
  - The burn cut.
• 18:54
  - Yeah, right.
• 18:55
  - Yeah, scared sheetless.
• 18:57
  - I love the practical effects in the original Beetlejuice
• 18:59
  and they bring that a lot back for the second one
• 19:01
  how it's kind of the practical,
• 19:03
  - The practical, - The practical,
• 19:03
  - and practical.
• 19:04
  - I love that style that Tim Burton brings us up.
• 19:07
  - So the first movie out of all the budget,
• 19:09
  they only dedicated $1 million to CGI
• 19:13
  in the original movie.
• 19:15
  And at the time CGI was not what it is today.
• 19:19
  So that was ultimately like nothing in there
• 19:21
  and he really wanted to keep that practical element
• 19:24
  and he's really done that a lot throughout the movies
• 19:28
  that he's been within.
• 19:29
  Actually, one of the main negotiation points
• 19:32
  that Tim Burton and Michael Keaton both had
• 19:35
  with doing Beetlejuice Beetlejuice
• 19:37
  was they did not want overproduction of CGI
• 19:41
  and that they had to continue stop motion
• 19:44
  in a lot of these real aspects of the movie.
• 19:48
  - Yeah, and some interesting facts that I found
• 19:51
  was researching for this is instead of the iconic
• 19:55
  dayo song that we all know that is persistent
• 19:59
  throughout the movie, it was actually almost
• 20:01
  two different songs in stead.
• 20:04
  And so it's, if I didn't care by the ink spots
• 20:09
  would have been within the dinner scene.
• 20:12
  - I know, familiar song from 1939.
• 20:15
  - Okay.
• 20:16
  - So don't play me if I'm not knowing it.
• 20:18
  And then in the final scene where Lydia is with the,
• 20:22
  like lifted up after she passed the elevetating.
• 20:25
  - Yeah, it was going to be when a man loves a woman.
• 20:27
  - Oh, that's kind of cute.
• 20:29
  - Yeah.
• 20:30
  - What did it end up being?
• 20:30
  I don't remember.
• 20:31
  - Jumping the line.
• 20:32
  - Mm-hmm.
• 20:33
  - Any of the football players and all that in there.
• 20:35
  - Oh, that's right.
• 20:36
  - Oh, man.
• 20:37
  Oh my God, that scene at the dinner table
• 20:38
  where they're singing dayo is so fun.
• 20:40
  - Yeah, we really can't stop it.
• 20:42
  - And then, the Capitol hair is amazing
• 20:44
  because she puts her facial expressions
• 20:46
  of just being confused, but also dancing.
• 20:49
  - She's such a good physical comedy.
• 20:51
  - You know, okay, I watched Beetlejuice
• 20:54
  when we had our Beetlejuice episode three years ago, maybe.
• 20:58
  I didn't see Beetlejuice until I was in my 20s.
• 21:02
  - Really?
• 21:03
  - Yeah.
• 21:04
  - I have no idea why.
• 21:05
  - I think I was like nine.
• 21:06
  - And that's a most people, like most millennials.
• 21:08
  - It just escaped me.
• 21:10
  I don't know why.
• 21:11
  - And I also used to be very sensitive.
• 21:15
  I had a sensitive disposition as a child.
• 21:17
  - To what?
• 21:18
  - Things just scared me very easily.
• 21:20
  - Oh, that's interesting.
• 21:21
  - Yeah, and so if I saw something in a movie
• 21:23
  or something that I thought was scary
• 21:24
  or that might be scary, I was like,
• 21:26
  I don't wanna watch that.
• 21:26
  It looks scary.
• 21:27
  - Really?
• 21:28
  - And now I love horror movies, but,
• 21:30
  and not a whole lot offends me unless it's gratuitous violence.
• 21:33
  But, no, I think as a kid, I just thought,
• 21:36
  oh, that looks like a scary movie.
• 21:37
  I don't wanna watch that.
• 21:39
  So it took me a long time,
• 21:40
  but, I mean, now I love it.
• 21:41
  I think it's amazing.
• 21:43
  - That's interesting.
• 21:43
  - Well, in the original script,
• 21:45
  Larry Wilson, he's one of the producers,
• 21:47
  actually talks about the original ending for Lydia,
• 21:51
  was actually gonna be significantly darker.
• 21:54
  - Ooh.
• 21:55
  - And the film would have ended with Lydia dying in a fire
• 21:58
  and joining her friends in the afterlife.
• 22:00
  - Oh, no, that's off.
• 22:02
  - They changed it, considering the message,
• 22:05
  it would send to young people that death would be
• 22:08
  a happy ending.
• 22:09
  - Yeah.
• 22:10
  - And she was dealing with suicidal ideations
• 22:13
  throughout the movie.
• 22:14
  - She's depressed the whole living room.
• 22:16
  - So I think that it was good that they changed it.
• 22:18
  - That reminds me of the finale
• 22:20
  of chilling adventures of Sabrina.
• 22:23
  She dies, and then her boyfriend ends up killing himself,
• 22:26
  so he can be with her in the afterlife.
• 22:28
  And I remember thinking that ruined the whole show.
• 22:30
  - Yeah.
• 22:31
  - Because she was like, so it's young people watching this stuff,
• 22:33
  and they think, oh, I could just kill myself
• 22:35
  to be with my friends again.
• 22:37
  - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:38
  - The snow, the snow, the snow, the snow.
• 22:39
  - And some original script things that were changed.
• 22:43
  Beetlejuice, well, first Lydia wasn't gonna be
• 22:45
  the main character.
• 22:46
  Lydia had a sister who was gonna be the main character.
• 22:49
  They ended up cutting her.
• 22:51
  Beetlejuice was supposed to be a short Middle Eastern man,
• 22:55
  who eventually turned into like a bat with wings thing.
• 22:59
  And Tim Burton decided to change that.
• 23:02
  And the original director on this project
• 23:05
  was actually Wes Craven.
• 23:06
  Before he left, and they gave it to Tim Burton.
• 23:11
  - Interesting, so different would it have been?
• 23:13
  - Yes, Wes Craven was willing to be the main character.
• 23:16
  - I think the original script would have made sense
• 23:17
  for Wes Craven, because the brutal murder from the town
• 23:21
  is people-- - It would have been a lot darker
• 23:22
  and maybe not like in tongue and cheek comedy.
• 23:24
  - Yeah, and up the cold toss like it is today.
• 23:26
  - But a fun fact that I know about Beetlejuice.
• 23:29
  Beetlejuice is only on screen for 18 minutes
• 23:33
  in the Forrestville. - Yes.
• 23:34
  - So he makes such an impact in that first movie
• 23:37
  with such little screen time,
• 23:39
  and the whole thing's named after him.
• 23:40
  - Yeah, but it's like you watch that movie
• 23:42
  and you don't realize really he was only in it for 18 minutes
• 23:45
  like I've just said.
• 23:46
  - You know the part where he like kicks down the tree
• 23:49
  and he's like, "What is that?"
• 23:52
  And like grabs his nuts or whatever.
• 23:54
  That is so gross. - That is so gross.
• 23:55
  - It defends it.
• 23:56
  - Yeah, that is actually an outtake of the set.
• 23:59
  Actually wasn't supposed to do that.
• 24:01
  And he kicks it and it falls down
• 24:03
  and he was doing that at the set like a designer.
• 24:06
  - Oh my God.
• 24:07
  - And Timberlion decided to keep it in.
• 24:09
  - That's hilarious. - And so there are
• 24:11
  a lot of those little moments within it.
• 24:13
  One of the really interesting things that I saw
• 24:15
  from everyone within this project
• 24:18
  and a lot of Timberlion projects is he lets people
• 24:22
  lead with the character they want to go forward with.
• 24:27
  - Like let it open around with it.
• 24:28
  - Yeah, and Beetlejuice is such a bombastic character
• 24:31
  that you have to let him kind of riff.
• 24:33
  Like you have to, you throw Jim Carrey
• 24:37
  or Robin Williams in a movie.
• 24:39
  - You gotta let them just be playable then.
• 24:41
  - You gotta let them just be down.
• 24:42
  - Yeah, and everyone who's worked with him
• 24:44
  and a lot of the people who do work with him
• 24:46
  stick with him for a very long time
• 24:47
  because he has such a specific directorial style
• 24:51
  and lets artists be artists.
• 24:53
  And I think Timberlion, this being his second film,
• 24:56
  is so crazy because he's so influential
• 24:59
  and really makes Winona Ryder so influential
• 25:02
  after this moment.
• 25:03
  - Johnny Depp, eventually with his career,
• 25:06
  Edward Scissorhans.
• 25:07
  - Yes, that's Timberlion.
• 25:09
  - It's after.
• 25:09
  - Yeah, and Winona again, Helen a bottom-carter
• 25:13
  who is his wife and I think.
• 25:14
  - Wife and Muse, yeah.
• 25:16
  - I think probably on good terms from what I've seen.
• 25:19
  - I think so, yeah.
• 25:20
  Now he has a new muse which people are questioning.
• 25:24
  But I think it's just people just love.
• 25:26
  - Helen a bottom-carter and like knowns
• 25:28
  we're gonna compete with her, she's so unique and like.
• 25:31
  - Yeah, the word muse just reminds me of back in the day.
• 25:34
  I'm his muse, I'm Cajem.
• 25:36
  - I'm Cajem.
• 25:37
  - I'm Cajem.
• 25:38
  - I'm Cajem.
• 25:39
  - You know, I was, yeah.
• 25:40
  - I wanna be someone's muse.
• 25:41
  - You know, Beetlejuice ultimately was a movie
• 25:45
  with a $15 million budget that actually
• 25:48
  ended up grossing a $75 million box office.
• 25:52
  - Yeah.
• 25:53
  - And I wanted to Oscar.
• 25:54
  - I did for Best Makeup.
• 25:55
  - I realized that.
• 25:56
  - For Best Makeup.
• 25:57
  - Yeah, the makeup is incredible.
• 25:58
  And I mean, it's really good in the sequel as well.
• 26:01
  Just again, the practical effects.
• 26:03
  Like you can tell that Michael Keaton is just,
• 26:06
  there's no CGI on him unless silly things are happening.
• 26:09
  - Yeah, but it's like I'm popping out.
• 26:11
  It's head spins around, but otherwise he's just
• 26:13
  makeup and a wig and looks crazy, so.
• 26:16
  - Yeah, and ultimately the first Beetlejuice,
• 26:18
  there's a TV show.
• 26:19
  I don't know if you knew that.
• 26:21
  - I never watched it.
• 26:22
  - Okay, so it's funny.
• 26:23
  I had never seen the Beetlejuice movie as a kid,
• 26:27
  but I watched the cart too.
• 26:29
  - Okay.
• 26:30
  - And that wasn't too scary for me.
• 26:31
  - Yeah, 'cause it was Lydia and Beetlejuice like solving.
• 26:34
  - They're under a world of crimes.
• 26:35
  - And they're buds.
• 26:36
  They're kind of more like the same age and they're,
• 26:40
  I don't know, like Beetlejuice is a dead man,
• 26:42
  but they make them like best friends.
• 26:45
  Like she summons Beetlejuice in her bedroom
• 26:46
  just to hang out with them and yeah, solve crimes.
• 26:49
  And she's cute little Goth girl and she opens her
• 26:52
  in boutique at one point, which is like my favorite episode.
• 26:55
  And Beetlejuice, it's like,
• 26:57
  failing 'cause it's a Goth boutique.
• 26:59
  - Yeah.
• 27:00
  - It's so heat.
• 27:01
  Somehow hypnotizes the town folk,
• 27:03
  to all go by her and become a girl.
• 27:05
  Shop till you shriek at Lydia's boutique.
• 27:08
  And they all, like zombies, look at their,
• 27:10
  it's pretty cute.
• 27:11
  - That's amazing.
• 27:12
  - Yeah.
• 27:13
  - Well, ultimately, you know,
• 27:14
  the first Beetlejuice cannot be beat,
• 27:17
  but we're here to talk about how the sequel
• 27:20
  pairs up to the average.
• 27:22
  - Yes.
• 27:23
  - I think it pairs very well,
• 27:24
  but we will take a little break and then talk about
• 27:27
  our thoughts on Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.
• 27:30
  (dramatic music)
• 27:32
  - So Tim Burton said he wouldn't make a sequel
• 27:37
  unless Michael Keaton reprised his role as Beetlejuice
• 27:40
  and that came true.
• 27:41
  When owner Riders started working on stranger things
• 27:44
  and she warned the Duffer Brothers,
• 27:46
  if there's ever a chance to do a sequel to Beetlejuice,
• 27:48
  you have to give me the time off for it.
• 27:50
  'Cause this movie was teased for years.
• 27:53
  There were so many fake posters on Facebook
• 27:56
  of fan-made art where everyone would go,
• 27:58
  "Oh my God, is it finally happening?"
• 28:00
  No, not yet, not yet.
• 28:02
  That it almost felt like a joke when it was finally.
• 28:05
  - Yes, we were all like, are you serious?
• 28:07
  No, no, that's fake.
• 28:08
  It's actually a real original sequel
• 28:12
  that was supposed to be happening
• 28:14
  was Beetlejuice goes to Hawaii.
• 28:18
  - No!
• 28:19
  - Yes, yes, yes.
• 28:21
  - It's like Brady Bunch.
• 28:22
  - Yeah, right.
• 28:23
  - Where the Death family decides to open
• 28:26
  A Bunch of Properties in Hawaii
• 28:29
  and really go colonized like they love to.
• 28:32
  - Isn't that the plot of the sequel to "We Can Do It"
• 28:37
  "Bernies?"
• 28:38
  I think they go to Hawaii.
• 28:39
  - I don't know, maybe.
• 28:40
  - Like, that's just a sequel.
• 28:41
  - They said we know we're being a plotter.
• 28:42
  - Yeah, and so ultimately that failed, which thank God.
• 28:46
  - Thank God.
• 28:47
  - And so I watched a lot of interviews
• 28:49
  and a lot of press that these actors were doing.
• 28:52
  Both the new cast and the older cast
• 28:54
  and their biggest thing was leave it alone.
• 28:57
  If you don't have something good,
• 28:59
  like we really do not want to reprise this.
• 29:02
  And we want to leave it as a standalone
• 29:04
  and they had a history of saying that
• 29:07
  where we're not going to just make a Beetlejuice
• 29:08
  to make up for this.
• 29:09
  - Just Beetlejuice.
• 29:10
  - We want it to be really, really good.
• 29:12
  And once Tim Burton met Jenner Antega,
• 29:16
  he really like found that, you know, inspiration.
• 29:20
  - She's so perfect.
• 29:21
  So he thought he was done with movies,
• 29:24
  but he directed four episodes of Wednesday,
• 29:26
  which you can see his influence in so much.
• 29:29
  - Yeah.
• 29:29
  - Especially with that the main monster bad guy.
• 29:32
  - Yeah.
• 29:33
  - Like is a Tim Burton character.
• 29:35
  - Yep.
• 29:36
  - But yeah, like you said, he met Jenner Antega,
• 29:38
  convinced him to reassess the potential
• 29:40
  for the Beetlejuice sequel,
• 29:41
  and she ended up playing Lydia's daughter Astrid.
• 29:44
  Okay, so we're gonna get into some spoiler territory here.
• 29:46
  - So spoilers, pause.
• 29:48
  - We will see you after you see it.
• 29:49
  - I'm back.
• 29:50
  - I'll tell no thanks for joining us.
• 29:52
  Okay, bye.
• 29:53
  - Yeah, we love you.
• 29:54
  - Anyway, spoiler time.
• 29:55
  I loved this movie.
• 29:57
  - I did as well.
• 29:58
  I thought it was really, really well done.
• 30:00
  I thought that they did fan fodder,
• 30:03
  but not in such a way where it took away from the story.
• 30:06
  - Exactly.
• 30:07
  - There wasn't so much Easter egg
• 30:08
  that the whole time you're like, oh yeah.
• 30:10
  - Oh yeah.
• 30:11
  - Call back, call back, call back.
• 30:12
  - Yeah, call back.
• 30:12
  - Cause those kind of sequels are just money grabs,
• 30:15
  and just there's no story to tell.
• 30:18
  - Yep.
• 30:19
  - The zoo lander's sequel, right?
• 30:21
  - Yes.
• 30:22
  - I don't even remember that.
• 30:23
  - Exactly.
• 30:23
  - Cause they're a fierce watcher.
• 30:24
  - Yeah.
• 30:25
  - And the anchor man's sequel.
• 30:27
  - Yeah.
• 30:28
  - There's nothing new to cover.
• 30:29
  - Yeah.
• 30:30
  - This felt new, like they had the old cast
• 30:34
  surprising their roles.
• 30:35
  Catherine O'Hara, Michael Keaton,
• 30:39
  Winona Ryder is back.
• 30:41
  - Mm-hmm.
• 30:42
  - The Gina Davis and Alec Baldwin are not back.
• 30:46
  - Because Ghost Can't Eat.
• 30:47
  - Because Ghost Can Eat,
• 30:48
  which is a good point,
• 30:49
  but also Alec Baldwin can't get work right now.
• 30:52
  - Yeah.
• 30:52
  - And they had some weird,
• 30:53
  - Very insurable at this moment.
• 30:55
  - Yeah, really.
• 30:56
  - There's too many guns in fall,
• 30:58
  to the set of Beetlejuice.
• 30:59
  - It's not how they're not.
• 31:00
  - No, it's not how they're not.
• 31:01
  They did have a weird kind of explanation in this movie
• 31:04
  for why they're not haunting the house.
• 31:05
  Anymore, and Lydia and a throwaway line goes,
• 31:08
  - We found a loophole.
• 31:09
  - We found a loophole,
• 31:10
  and they rolled a crossover,
• 31:11
  and it was just like done.
• 31:12
  - I don't know.
• 31:13
  - I was like, I wanted a little more
• 31:14
  of the like, give this something.
• 31:15
  - Give me like some lore,
• 31:17
  some building of your universe.
• 31:20
  - Because they can just like,
• 31:22
  they're the cost of it.
• 31:23
  - Yeah.
• 31:24
  - Because they did establish in this movie,
• 31:26
  like we talked about earlier,
• 31:27
  that there are different levels to the afterlife.
• 31:29
  So you go to this purgatory waiting room,
• 31:32
  and then you get your passport or your ticket stamped,
• 31:35
  and then you go on the soul train,
• 31:37
  which you're actually up every time.
• 31:38
  - Yeah.
• 31:39
  - It's literally like,
• 31:40
  "I'll vote the soul train to sell this."
• 31:42
  - It is.
• 31:43
  - Yeah, to the great beyond.
• 31:45
  - And you either go to the great beyond,
• 31:46
  but then the other one said,
• 31:47
  "The Fields of Elysium,"
• 31:48
  which is what that priest was talking about earlier,
• 31:51
  which is funny.
• 31:51
  And then,
• 31:53
  you would have cracked up at that part.
• 31:55
  - There's this like creepy priest in it,
• 31:58
  because so basically the reason for Beetlejuice Beetlejuice
• 32:02
  is the Deets father dies.
• 32:04
  Can you remember his name?
• 32:06
  It's not that important.
• 32:06
  - Charles?
• 32:07
  - Yeah, Charles Deets dies.
• 32:09
  - Yeah.
• 32:10
  - So they're all going back to Barry-Hem
• 32:12
  within the Connecticut home,
• 32:15
  where everything is happening.
• 32:16
  - Yes.
• 32:17
  - And so--
• 32:18
  - The actor who played Charles, Jeffrey Jones,
• 32:19
  was not invited back for this movie.
• 32:21
  - He has some troubles.
• 32:23
  - He's got some legal troubles.
• 32:24
  - And we'll leave it at that.
• 32:26
  - And so they made him die of very gruesome death.
• 32:31
  - Where it's like half his body.
• 32:33
  - He's essentially headless in die of movie,
• 32:36
  but the practical effect is so gruesome.
• 32:38
  We're just blood-assorted.
• 32:39
  - And he goes to that old,
• 32:40
  as every time he talks, like,
• 32:41
  "Well, and then the scene that shows how he died
• 32:45
  is Clay Nation like stop motion, which was really cute."
• 32:47
  - Yeah.
• 32:48
  - I do have to say though, Clay Nation gives me
• 32:50
  uncanny valley, and it makes me really,
• 32:52
  really, really, really uncomfortable.
• 32:54
  - So you unpack that.
• 32:56
  - No, it's like a human programming thing.
• 32:59
  - Well, uncanny valley, yeah.
• 33:01
  - Yeah.
• 33:02
  - Clay Nation, you see that?
• 33:03
  - Yeah, it's like we evolve to know
• 33:06
  when things don't look that way.
• 33:07
  - I mean, like the polar express movie gets me
• 33:09
  on candy valley.
• 33:10
  - That's mean, they're trying so hard to make them look human.
• 33:13
  - Exactly, but they died and they just can't look.
• 33:15
  - They don't look right.
• 33:16
  - They don't look right.
• 33:17
  - That's why, yeah, exactly.
• 33:18
  - I think Clay Nation, I'm like,
• 33:19
  this is so far removed from reality.
• 33:21
  - We could do a whole episode on why I think
• 33:23
  humans developed the ability to--
• 33:25
  - Let's do an episode on uncanny valley.
• 33:26
  - Yeah, uncanny valley.
• 33:28
  - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:28
  (laughing)
• 33:30
  Quick, quick, quick.
• 33:30
  (laughing)
• 33:32
  - But, you know, I really, really love this movie.
• 33:34
  Some of the things that I wanted to call back to
• 33:38
  is Lydia's show is called Ghost House.
• 33:41
  - Yeah.
• 33:41
  - Which as I said in the beginning was what--
• 33:43
  - The house of the ghost.
• 33:44
  - Yeah, what the studio wanted to call
• 33:47
  "Beetle Juice" in the beginning.
• 33:49
  So they had some kind of funny, like,
• 33:51
  - Yeah.
• 33:52
  - Call that, it's like, if you know you know the deep history
• 33:54
  of like "Beetle Juice" - That's cute.
• 33:56
  - That you can start to see it.
• 33:58
  - My known as Lydia was amazing in this movie.
• 34:00
  She has like the same nuances as Lydia,
• 34:03
  but she's not as depressed.
• 34:05
  I mean, she's definitely going through
• 34:06
  some "Beetle Juice" PTSD anytime she sees Black and White Stripes.
• 34:11
  She's like, oh God, like,
• 34:12
  and we, it's come to find out he's actually kind of like
• 34:14
  stalking her somehow.
• 34:16
  Like, yeah, this guy's got a heart on her.
• 34:18
  - I'm from the day I, yeah.
• 34:19
  - At least now she's a grown woman.
• 34:22
  - Yes.
• 34:22
  - So it's a little more appropriate,
• 34:25
  but the picture is framed at his desk.
• 34:27
  He's definitely of like a teenage girl.
• 34:29
  Just that he's like, - Yeah.
• 34:30
  - And a sweetie.
• 34:31
  - He's like, oh yeah, I love this picture.
• 34:33
  - Yeah.
• 34:34
  - And so there are a lot of new characters that get introduced.
• 34:38
  At the end of the first "Beetle Juice" movie,
• 34:40
  whenever he's about to try to marry Lydia,
• 34:43
  he pulls like a finger out of his pocket, right?
• 34:46
  And there's a bring on it and he goes,
• 34:48
  sorry, it shouldn't mean much to me.
• 34:50
  Don't worry about her.
• 34:51
  - I forgot that.
• 34:51
  - And so that finger that he had in his pocket
• 34:55
  ends up being the main villain within this.
• 34:58
  - Yeah, she was the main villain,
• 35:00
  but I don't think she was very necessary
• 35:03
  to the plot.
• 35:04
  - The movie would have been just as good without her,
• 35:06
  but it's Monica Belucci,
• 35:08
  yeah, she plays "Beetle Juice" his ex-wife.
• 35:10
  The scene that describes kind of how "Beetle Juice"
• 35:13
  died and how she died, hilarious.
• 35:15
  - Yeah.
• 35:16
  - And he's speaking Spanish for some reason.
• 35:18
  - So we know he started in Spain.
• 35:22
  - Yeah, he speaks Spanish at the end of the movie again too.
• 35:25
  Like, "Beetle Juice" from Spain.
• 35:27
  - All right, I'm gonna let go.
• 35:28
  - He's like kind of described as like a timeless being.
• 35:32
  So like, he still don't really know,
• 35:33
  but it was funny, like the traditional ceremony
• 35:36
  where we ate the chickens off of heads
• 35:38
  and sacrificed the chickens off the heads.
• 35:40
  - Yeah, there you go.
• 35:41
  And the heads off the chickens.
• 35:43
  And sacrificed to go drink each other's blood.
• 35:45
  - But he's like, "Fuck, what I need you this for my wedding?"
• 35:47
  - Yeah.
• 35:48
  - Blue it on the renewals.
• 35:51
  - Yes, I would tell you.
• 35:52
  - There you go.
• 35:52
  - It's all gonna be just,
• 35:54
  all the cats got the codes in the air.
• 35:56
  - Oh, I don't know.
• 35:57
  I love goats.
• 35:58
  - They're spoken for.
• 35:59
  - They are just pretend.
• 36:00
  - Okay.
• 36:00
  - Well, you sort of those collapsible knives.
• 36:01
  - Okay, there you go.
• 36:02
  - There you go.
• 36:03
  - Britney.
• 36:04
  - Yeah.
• 36:05
  - It's a fake knife.
• 36:06
  Honey, no, it's not.
• 36:07
  - We got it from Britney's prop store.
• 36:09
  (laughing)
• 36:11
  - House of Spears.
• 36:12
  - I think that Genoa Ortega was delightful in this video.
• 36:15
  She's different enough from Wednesday.
• 36:18
  I mean, she's still kind of the dark moody burrows,
• 36:21
  dead pain.
• 36:22
  - Yeah.
• 36:23
  - I felt so bad for her.
• 36:24
  This reminded me of Wednesday a lot.
• 36:26
  - Did you watch Wednesday?
• 36:27
  - Yeah.
• 36:28
  - So in Wednesday, Wednesday goes on her first date
• 36:31
  and he ends up being evil.
• 36:33
  - Yeah.
• 36:34
  - And then in this one,
• 36:35
  Astrid ends up going on her first date, spoiler,
• 36:37
  he's evil.
• 36:38
  - The dead guy too.
• 36:39
  - Yeah.
• 36:40
  - Yeah, and he's dead and he wants to murder Suede.
• 36:43
  - His family.
• 36:44
  - Yeah.
• 36:45
  - And he wants to, that shook me.
• 36:46
  - Yeah.
• 36:47
  - Because I wasn't expecting.
• 36:48
  - No, it was dark.
• 36:49
  - Yeah.
• 36:50
  - It was good.
• 36:51
  And wants Astrid to come to the Astrid for life
• 36:54
  so that he can steal her soul.
• 36:55
  - Like trade a life.
• 36:56
  - Like trade a life.
• 36:57
  - And go back and be a little shit on Earth again.
• 37:00
  So that leads to Lydia being like,
• 37:02
  oh my God, I can't believe I have to do this,
• 37:04
  but Beatle choose Beatle choose Beatle choose.
• 37:07
  I need his help.
• 37:08
  - Yeah.
• 37:09
  - We also have Justin Thoreau who plays Lydia's
• 37:11
  manager/boyfriend.
• 37:14
  - Boyfriend.
• 37:15
  - He is so greasy and comical.
• 37:18
  - So cool.
• 37:19
  - And this movie,
• 37:20
  his little throw-a-line,
• 37:21
  where he's like,
• 37:21
  I just was helpfully getting boxes from the store.
• 37:24
  - He's very,
• 37:25
  and weaponizing therapy space.
• 37:27
  - Yes.
• 37:28
  - You guys we talk about all the time.
• 37:29
  But he was really like the way that they costume
• 37:33
  to sign to him and like gave him his hair.
• 37:36
  - His slick back hair.
• 37:38
  - His the creepy dude from Charlie's Angels,
• 37:41
  the first one.
• 37:42
  - He was sniffing holes.
• 37:43
  - His hair.
• 37:44
  - His hair.
• 37:45
  Like that was the inspo,
• 37:45
  that was all they needed.
• 37:47
  It was exactly like copy-place that guy.
• 37:48
  - He was hilarious.
• 37:49
  He was creepy.
• 37:51
  You could tell no one liked him.
• 37:53
  I mean,
• 37:53
  - Yeah.
• 37:54
  - Catherine O'Harrot is.
• 37:55
  - So funny.
• 37:56
  - Jenner,
• 37:57
  - Our Tegas character hates it all.
• 37:58
  - They all hate him.
• 37:59
  - And even Lydia's like,
• 38:00
  - Oh, he loves me.
• 38:02
  - He loves me.
• 38:03
  - He loves me.
• 38:03
  And I kinda need,
• 38:04
  and I don't know.
• 38:05
  I've been denying love.
• 38:07
  And she got a divorce from Astrid's father who then died,
• 38:11
  which adds a nice layer of Astrid's backstory
• 38:14
  and what she is depressed as she is.
• 38:17
  - Yeah.
• 38:18
  - She gets to reunite with her down the afterlife,
• 38:20
  which is so sad.
• 38:21
  Oh my God,
• 38:22
  he's got a little piranha.
• 38:22
  - Yeah, he's stuck in him.
• 38:24
  - That's a handsome man, no.
• 38:25
  I don't know what that was.
• 38:26
  He was a handsome man.
• 38:27
  - Yeah, he was, yeah, he was very,
• 38:28
  - Yeah.
• 38:29
  - Yeah, I really, really liked it.
• 38:30
  When I was a writer,
• 38:31
  I kinda talked about how,
• 38:32
  before she had really seen like the full script,
• 38:35
  she'd always kinda seen Lydia as a person
• 38:38
  who would never have a child or never get married
• 38:41
  or never fall in love
• 38:42
  and kinda just be stuck with these ghosts.
• 38:44
  So I thought it was kind of like an interesting compromise
• 38:47
  that they came to to have the husband already be dead
• 38:50
  and Lydia,
• 38:52
  as she says in the first 20 minutes of film,
• 38:55
  sell out and become a touch of host,
• 38:59
  medium and kind of betray them.
• 39:02
  And I wish they had really brought that in more to
• 39:04
  as soon as Adam and Barbara disappeared.
• 39:07
  Like she felt like,
• 39:09
  because they really became her parents
• 39:11
  and they were parental figures and her friends.
• 39:14
  Then she's just gone.
• 39:15
  And I wish they had kind of delvened to that part bar.
• 39:18
  - They couldn't have done it in Clayton Nation.
• 39:19
  - I would have, yeah.
• 39:20
  - They could have been in the business.
• 39:21
  - And this is them after they were gone
• 39:22
  and then I was never close with,
• 39:24
  Delia, her and Delia have gotten closer over the years.
• 39:28
  I think they could have shown this movie.
• 39:29
  They have an understanding of each other,
• 39:31
  like a respect, but they're not exactly close.
• 39:34
  - Yeah, she's like, once I sold out in May and about
• 39:36
  and she's like, "You like me?"
• 39:37
  - Yeah, now that I'm loaded,
• 39:39
  you started liking me, that's weird.
• 39:41
  Delia is still an artist.
• 39:43
  - Are you in the movies so funny?
• 39:45
  - Yeah.
• 39:46
  - The feudal performance of the whole house.
• 39:48
  - Yes.
• 39:49
  - The performance.
• 39:50
  - I'm very glad she's hilarious.
• 39:52
  - I really, really liked it.
• 39:54
  I think it's one of those sequels,
• 39:56
  but definitely worth a rewatch.
• 39:58
  - Oh yeah.
• 39:59
  - I walked out of it and was like,
• 39:59
  "Man, I want to see that again."
• 40:01
  Just sort of like pick up the things that,
• 40:04
  you know, I'm just-- - The little minst.
• 40:05
  - Yeah, and normally I'm an avid,
• 40:07
  like I do not go see a second movie.
• 40:10
  If I, like I never saw Ingramant too,
• 40:12
  a girl would think it needed it.
• 40:14
  And so normally I'm like an avid,
• 40:16
  I don't go for a stupid sequel,
• 40:18
  but I do really think that this was a great one.
• 40:21
  It was with immense respect to the story
• 40:25
  and ultimately it made it still campy and fun
• 40:28
  and throwbacks to the original movie,
• 40:30
  but not in a way where it really overdid it.
• 40:33
  - I agree.
• 40:34
  I think it was a good addition to the story
• 40:37
  and of the next step of Lydia's life
• 40:40
  and Delia's life and Beetlejuice looks amazing
• 40:43
  and he's so funny.
• 40:45
  In the end, again, we get to see
• 40:47
  Lydia's red wedding dress come back
• 40:49
  because Beetlejuice is still trying to marry her.
• 40:52
  (silence)
• 40:54
  - Shout out to this movie today
• 40:58
  and she's looking like a fucking snack
• 41:00
  and I am hungover and just like at a hat and just like,
• 41:04
  oh god.
• 41:05
  She was like, you look like my femme girlfriend.
• 41:09
  - Yeah, I think we like a lesbian and a couple
• 41:11
  and I'm like the butch one.
• 41:13
  - Yeah, that looks fun.
• 41:15
  - That's fun.
• 41:15
  - They're gonna hear for it.
• 41:16
  - You know, I really wanted to bring Belidia
• 41:19
  and so far this movie has as of today grossed 264 million
• 41:24
  globally, nearly 200 million domestically
• 41:30
  and according to the New York Times,
• 41:32
  there was a time during the film's development
• 41:34
  when the studio tried to push it
• 41:35
  as a max streaming exclusive.
• 41:38
  - This needed to be in theaters.
• 41:40
  - Yeah, come on.
• 41:41
  - Yeah, it's worth it.
• 41:42
  - It's worth it.
• 41:43
  - I'm happy that they did it in that way.
• 41:46
  - No, I love going to the movies.
• 41:48
  I got the movies probably once a week.
• 41:50
  - Yeah.
• 41:51
  - I just love it.
• 41:52
  - Yeah, I enjoy movie experience.
• 41:55
  I do like the ability to pause and talk and chill
• 41:58
  and chat. - And chat.
• 41:59
  - Yeah.
• 42:00
  - And, you know, do have my own stacks,
• 42:02
  but if there's a good movie coming out,
• 42:06
  what, you know, it's worth like putting your money
• 42:08
  in art you care about.
• 42:09
  - It's just like Nicole Kidman says,
• 42:12
  glowing pictures,
• 42:12
  glimmering pictures on a silver screen.
• 42:15
  - Heartbreak feels good in a place like this.
• 42:17
  (laughing)
• 42:19
  - And, you know, ultimately, you know,
• 42:21
  before we close this episode out,
• 42:24
  do you think we get a third Beetlejuice
• 42:28
  or Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice?
• 42:30
  - I don't think so.
• 42:31
  - Really?
• 42:32
  - I don't think so.
• 42:33
  I think it took so long to make this movie.
• 42:37
  Burton had to drop the budget from $147 million
• 42:41
  to $100 million to get the film even greenlit.
• 42:44
  Keaton writer, O'Hara Ann Ortega,
• 42:46
  all had to take pay cuts.
• 42:47
  I mean, they still made a crap ton of money.
• 42:49
  But I think it was just such a long time in the making
• 42:52
  that I'm not sure if they need a third one.
• 42:54
  I mean, there was like some Beetlejuice babies,
• 42:56
  these, which were creepy.
• 42:58
  - Yeah, that was so scary.
• 42:59
  - But I think it kind of, I think it ran its course.
• 43:03
  That's my opinion.
• 43:04
  I don't, I think if there was a third one at that point,
• 43:06
  it would feel kind of gratuitous.
• 43:09
  - Yeah. - Cash grab.
• 43:10
  - Yeah, I could see it with the main villain
• 43:14
  coming back and really going after Lydia and those people.
• 43:19
  But yeah, it still has to be really, really well done.
• 43:22
  I don't think Catherine or her or any of them
• 43:24
  are gonna come back again.
• 43:25
  I don't think so.
• 43:26
  - I think you would still get Winona
• 43:27
  just because she's like in love with Tim Burton.
• 43:29
  I'm gonna do anything for him.
• 43:31
  - Michael Keaton's not getting it a younger too.
• 43:33
  I mean, I mean, that Beetlejuice,
• 43:36
  you got makeup covers.
• 43:37
  - That make up covers it real well.
• 43:37
  - It's all prosthetics, baby.
• 43:39
  So he didn't have that problem.
• 43:40
  - Yeah.
• 43:41
  - I mean, the cast is all aging and as other projects.
• 43:44
  So I think this was like a love letter to fans.
• 43:46
  And I think it needs to be a fan.
• 43:48
  - Yeah, and ultimately I think it was
• 43:52
  for each of the actors, a love letter to their characters.
• 43:55
  - Yeah, yeah.
• 43:56
  - They all talk about them with such reverence
• 43:59
  and respect for them.
• 44:00
  And a lot of people have said Tim Burton was
• 44:03
  one of the most influential directors in their careers
• 44:06
  and taught them to speak up for themselves
• 44:08
  and advocate for a character.
• 44:10
  - Yeah, but he got in a block of fame star recently.
• 44:13
  And when one of the writers said,
• 44:14
  you kind of made it feel like it was okay
• 44:16
  to be a weird creepy golf teenager
• 44:18
  because we love me for who I was.
• 44:21
  And yeah, I love that about Tim Burton.
• 44:24
  - Yeah. - Bring out the weirdos
• 44:25
  and all of us.
• 44:26
  - Yes.
• 44:27
  - I wonder what would happen if our listeners
• 44:28
  said our names three times.
• 44:31
  - Puckolder, drink a bottle of a candy.
• 44:32
  - Yeah.
• 44:33
  - No.
• 44:34
  - It was an attempt.
• 44:35
  - It was an attempt.
• 44:36
  Well, if you want to summon us, you can try that
• 44:38
  or you can find us on social media, Olivia,
• 44:40
  where can the people find you?
• 44:42
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