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More Red River Reactions, Cowboys and Texans' Changes, CFB Slate Preview · The Craig Way Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back on this Texan Tuesday edition of the Craig
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  Speaker 1: Way Show. Jay Kerman here in for the voice of
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  Speaker 1: the Longhorns, Craig Way, as we welcome in Shahan Jayarajah
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  Speaker 1: from CBS Sports, who was at that State Fair Street fight. Shahan,
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  Speaker 1: thanks so much for taking the time to join us
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  Speaker 1: and break it down here today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, it was certainly a loss that is sticking
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  Speaker 1: with Texas fans. Our text line was pretty busy yesterday
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  Speaker 1: as it has been the entire season when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to concerns about the Longhorns and this offense based on
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  Speaker 1: the struggles they had against that Brent Venables defense. But really,
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  Speaker 1: over the course of the last few weeks as a whole,
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  Speaker 1: in your mind right now, how concerned do Texas fans
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  Speaker 1: have the right to be when it comes to where
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  Speaker 1: this offense is at the halfway point of the season?
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  Speaker 3: No, I think the concerns are fair, right? You do
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  Speaker 3: have to contextualize. They played three of the best defenses
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  Speaker 3: in the country in Ohio State, Tennessee and Oklahoma. But
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  Speaker 3: they also have looked hapless at times. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I know that Steve Sarkeesian keeps pointing to the total
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  Speaker 3: offense numbers, the scoring numbers and all that. But that's
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  Speaker 3: not really telling the story. It's their inability to stay
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  Speaker 3: on the field. It's their inability to put drives together.
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  Speaker 3: You know, obviously something that's been pointed out is their
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  Speaker 3: three and out rate. It's just not good enough for
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  Speaker 3: what is just frankly the most expensive offense in college
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  Speaker 3: football led by the most high profile quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: In college football.
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  Speaker 3: So again, if Texas manages to string together a couple
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  Speaker 3: first downs in the second half, this isn't a ball
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  Speaker 3: game at all. They don't even need to score in
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  Speaker 3: that case, but they go three and out three times
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  Speaker 3: to start. They go four and out the second time,
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  Speaker 3: and then they throw the interception. So I do think
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  Speaker 3: that there are very legitimate concerns, and I think the
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  Speaker 3: big reason that this has led to so much consternation
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  Speaker 3: is because people saw it through the first four games
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  Speaker 3: as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the frustrating part for for Texas fans,
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to this game is you knew you
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  Speaker 1: were going up against an offense that wasn't going to
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  Speaker 1: be able to do much. And really Oklahoma, just the
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  Speaker 1: one offensive touchdown in the game, you get the bow
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  Speaker 1: and pick six, you get the block punt. And it
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  Speaker 1: felt to me, I don't know how you felt about
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  Speaker 1: the game coming in. It felt to me as though
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  Speaker 1: that was the only way Texas was going to lose
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  Speaker 1: the ball game was given up non-offensive touchdowns. And They
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  Speaker 1: did kind of give up two of them. I liked
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  Speaker 1: what you said on X after the game was over.
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  Speaker 1: Oklahoma's transformation into SEC Iowa is complete. It was a
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  Speaker 1: Hawkeye-like win for Brent Venables, guys.
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  Speaker 2: A hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, I think that people thought that
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  Speaker 3: that was an insult. No, that's just a compliment based
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  Speaker 3: on style of play.
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  Speaker 2: That's how Iowa has won so many games over the years.
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  Speaker 3: But I did say heading into last week, like if
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  Speaker 3: Texas loses this game, it is 100% going to be
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  Speaker 3: on the back of Texas. And it was 100% on
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  Speaker 3: the back of Texas. You mentioned two non-offensive touchdowns. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you pay a special teams coordinator a million dollars and
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  Speaker 3: you can't block in the end zone? That just can't happen.
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  Speaker 3: You have a pick six on a broken play. That
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  Speaker 3: can't happen. You have the interception where, again, everybody's seen
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  Speaker 3: the replay. There's so much space in the middle of
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  Speaker 3: the field. Why are there no receivers there? Instead, Arch
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  Speaker 3: Manning has to try to thread a pass.
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  Speaker 2: And ultimately, it sets up a game-winning field goal.
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  Speaker 3: So essentially, 17 points were almost directly gifted by the
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  Speaker 3: offensive Texas. And by the way, even when you talk
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  Speaker 3: about the defense, it was penalties.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't actually breakdowns.
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  Speaker 3: Whenever they went and scored their touchdowns. So just a
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  Speaker 3: very disappointing effort. And again, these are the kind of mistakes,
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  Speaker 3: just to be frank, we don't see Georgia making these mistakes.
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  Speaker 3: We don't see Alabama making these mistakes. We usually don't
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  Speaker 3: see Ohio State making these mistakes. And that's the class
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  Speaker 3: of team that Texas should be in and deserves to
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  Speaker 3: be in for the most part. They have to clean
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  Speaker 3: up these mistakes and not beat themselves.
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  Speaker 1: And unfortunately, sometimes when Georgia makes those mistakes, the officials
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  Speaker 1: turn around and make a mistake. Like we saw in
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  Speaker 1: Tuscaloosa on Saturday night, Shahan Jayarajah from CBS Sports is
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  Speaker 1: with us talking college football, talking Texas Longhorns.
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  Speaker 4: To the extent that the AP poll.
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  Speaker 1: Even matters right now, do you think Texas is properly
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  Speaker 1: ranked at number seven?
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  Speaker 5: I do.
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  Speaker 3: And again, everybody's going to kind of point to like, well,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we have the big win and we only
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  Speaker 3: have the one loss. I think that it's also about
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  Speaker 3: the body of work, right? It's also about not looking
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  Speaker 3: great against a Tennessee team that might be number 14,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't think it's regarded all that highly. It's also,
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  Speaker 3: you know, again, a little bit of a lackluster effort
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  Speaker 3: against UTSA. It's having three bad quarters against Ohio State,
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  Speaker 3: even though you have the fourth good one, right? So
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  Speaker 3: I do think that it's fair for them to be
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  Speaker 3: kind of in the middle range of the one-loss SEC
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  Speaker 3: teams at this point. And again, when you compare them, like, again,
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  Speaker 3: I think that Alabama at this point has looked like
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  Speaker 3: a better team than them for more of the year.
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  Speaker 3: I think that obviously you look at the Notre Dames,
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  Speaker 3: the Miamis, the Georgias, those are kind of no-brainers. So
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  Speaker 3: I think that where they're at is just about right
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  Speaker 3: right now, and they're going to have plenty of opportunity
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  Speaker 3: to play their way back up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're going to get to next week and
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  Speaker 1: looking ahead at some of these matchups.
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  Speaker 4: I'll put you on the spot, though.
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  Speaker 1: Who is the team that you feel like is best
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  Speaker 1: in the sport right now through seven weeks?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's Georgia. I'm not going to overthink it, right?
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  Speaker 3: I think that Miami, Notre Dame, really interesting teams in
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  Speaker 3: that conversation. But the difference with Georgia is now they've
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  Speaker 3: gone and done it against one of the best. And
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  Speaker 3: I do think Alabama is one of the best, officiating
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  Speaker 3: miscues aside. But I do think that Georgia looks like
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  Speaker 3: Georgia again. And that was something I think even in 2025,
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  Speaker 3: you saw the up and down, you saw the breakdown,
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  Speaker 3: you saw the mistakes.
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  Speaker 2: Well, those are gone now.
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  Speaker 3: This is a Georgia team on both sides of the
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  Speaker 3: ball that is really just playing impressive football they've been
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  Speaker 3: able to get efficient quarterback play from gunner stockton defensively
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  Speaker 3: they've shut teams down again alabama had scored 45 points
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  Speaker 3: in every game leading into that game where they're held
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  Speaker 3: to 17 and i think georgia's defense looks like a
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  Speaker 3: georgia defense i mean it was it was kind of
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  Speaker 3: a an underrated factor like georgia in 21 and 22
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  Speaker 3: was you know top five defense and they really hadn't
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  Speaker 3: been at that level almost since that 2022 team. Well,
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  Speaker 3: they look like they're back at that level, especially when
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  Speaker 3: they play the run. So I think Georgia's the best
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  Speaker 3: team in the sports. Again, I think that they're probably
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  Speaker 3: right now, maybe even in a class of their own
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  Speaker 3: right now, and we'll see if other teams are able
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  Speaker 3: to play their way back up into it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if winning in Tuscaloosa and slowing down Keelan Russell
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  Speaker 1: was that easy this year, I think more teams would
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  Speaker 1: do it. So I'd agree with you right now. on
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  Speaker 1: the Georgia Bulldogs coming in at number one. We've got
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  Speaker 1: plenty of teams in the top 10 that are facing
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  Speaker 1: tough tests this week. But before we get into all
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  Speaker 1: of that, I want to come back to a couple
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  Speaker 1: of SEC stories, specifically another team that joined Texas on
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  Speaker 1: the loser side of your winners and losers column over
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  Speaker 1: at CBSSports.com, and that's Texas A & M. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I got to get your thoughts on what's going on there.
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  Speaker 1: After the 27-6 loss at Missouri, Mike Elko said, asked
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  Speaker 1: some version, for those of you that missed it, of
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  Speaker 1: what can fans be excited about when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: your offense. He proceeded to take a shot at Texags,
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  Speaker 1: the popular and powerful fan site, and its editor-in-chief, Billy Lucci,
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  Speaker 1: calling it Billy's cesspool. He's since apologized. What was your
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  Speaker 1: reaction to this, and what has the fallout been like
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  Speaker 1: among A & M people that you've spoken with about it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, if.
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  Speaker 3: You're the head coach of Texas A & M, that
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  Speaker 3: is the one enemy that you really cannot afford to
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  Speaker 3: make because that is a very powerful figure in.
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  Speaker 2: That market and a very powerful site.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, you can't even almost compare it to
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  Speaker 3: even some of the Texas sites.
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  Speaker 2: Like Texas is an entity all to itself.
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  Speaker 3: But, you know, I think that it shows the level
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  Speaker 3: of frustration there is right now, not just by Mike Elko,
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  Speaker 3: but by everyone, right? This was a team that made
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  Speaker 3: the college football playoff last year that was 11-1, that frankly, again,
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  Speaker 3: up until the very second half of that Texas game,
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  Speaker 3: looks like they might have been 12-0 and cruising through
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  Speaker 3: the national picture. And so I think that it's frustrating
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  Speaker 3: and a bit stunning for people to see how things
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  Speaker 3: have changed since the second half of that Texas game on.
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  Speaker 3: And again, look, the other part of this as well
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  Speaker 3: is that they're obviously not going to fire Mike Elko.
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  Speaker 3: They don't want to fire Mike Elko. And so I
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  Speaker 3: think that there's this understanding that this is what we
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  Speaker 3: got right now. And this is what we're dealing with.
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  Speaker 3: And we might not even have answers on this roster
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  Speaker 3: despite bringing in a really talented portal class and a
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  Speaker 3: really talented recruiting class. So, I think that people are
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  Speaker 3: just trying to deal with that. Now, I think that
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  Speaker 3: A & M fans are, to some extent, I think
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  Speaker 3: they understand what this year is probably going to be.
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  Speaker 3: That it's probably a bit of a lost cause. But
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  Speaker 3: I think they're trying to figure out, like, how can
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  Speaker 3: we find any positives in this? And when your coach
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  Speaker 3: is kind of throwing the fan base under the bus,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't feel good.
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  Speaker 1: No, and you look across town a few states over
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  Speaker 1: in Lexington, and you see that Will Stein might have
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  Speaker 1: kind of been the secret sauce for that offense all along,
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  Speaker 1: all the success that he's had so far with Kenny
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  Speaker 1: Minchie at Kentucky.
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  Speaker 4: Staying on that loser.
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  Speaker 1: Side of that column, though, the winners and losers you
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  Speaker 1: did over at CBS Sports, Florida's there because they've been
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  Speaker 1: beaten handily two weeks in a row, got trucked by Mizzou,
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  Speaker 1: then you lose by three scores at the Swamp to
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  Speaker 1: South Carolina, a team that was winless in the SEC.
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  Speaker 1: So it makes you wonder, right, which results, is it
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  Speaker 1: the big win over Ole Miss or is it the
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  Speaker 1: home loss of South Carolina that's more indicative of the
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  Speaker 1: way you see this Florida season unfolding here over the
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  Speaker 1: second half?
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  Speaker 3: Well, this is what's interesting about the SEC this year
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  Speaker 3: is that I think that, again, we have the Georgia-Alabama tier.
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  Speaker 3: We'll maybe figure out if Texas can get back into
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  Speaker 3: that tier. The second tier, though, like it is really tight.
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  Speaker 3: And it's a little messy, frankly, right? Because you have, again,
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  Speaker 3: LSU goes and wins big against Clemson, and then they
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  Speaker 3: lose against Ole Miss. Then Ole Miss goes and loses
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  Speaker 3: big to Florida. And then Florida goes and loses big
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  Speaker 3: to Missouri and to South Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I think that the.
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  Speaker 3: Distance between these teams is closer than it's been in
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  Speaker 3: a very long time. And I think that makes things
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  Speaker 3: really complicated for this level of teams. Because, again, like
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  Speaker 3: if you can be above that, like Georgia is right now,
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  Speaker 3: like I think Alabama might be again, you can kind
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  Speaker 3: of cruise through them.
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  Speaker 2: But if you are Florida and you're in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, again, that means that there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: losable games in your nine game conference schedule, by the way.
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  Speaker 3: And so, you know, I do think that Florida is
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  Speaker 3: really good. I do think that offensively, they still have
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  Speaker 3: more answers to come. I expect that Jaden Baugh isn't
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  Speaker 3: going to be shut down every single week like he
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  Speaker 3: has been the last two.
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  Speaker 2: But I think also your defense has gotten exposed.
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  Speaker 3: This is probably one of the bottom three defenses in
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  Speaker 3: the SEC. I know we'll talk about it, probably a
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  Speaker 3: get-right spot for this Texas offense. But I think that
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  Speaker 3: also teams are starting to figure out if we shut
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  Speaker 3: down Jaden Baugh and really try to press these receivers,
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  Speaker 3: they've got great receivers. I mean, Aaron Files is a
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  Speaker 3: good quarterback, but he's also not a playmaker necessarily either.
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  Speaker 3: He's more somebody who, who wants to be in structure.
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  Speaker 3: So I think they're getting a little figured out right now,
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  Speaker 3: but I do also think there are more answers on
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  Speaker 3: the roster than what they've had the past two weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's some element of this with the
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  Speaker 1: new coaching staff, Sumrall and Buster Faulkner. Once the film
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  Speaker 1: is out, it's a little bit easier to kind of
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  Speaker 1: react to it. I kind of think about how Dylan
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  Speaker 1: Raiola looked in relief versus coming out to play against
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  Speaker 1: UCLA once the Bruins figured out, okay, this guy's not
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  Speaker 1: going to hurt us in the same ways that Dante
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  Speaker 1: Moore can. I I wonder if there's some of that
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  Speaker 1: going on with Florida. And I wonder how you hinted
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  Speaker 1: at think this matchup kind of hinges between Texas and Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Is it as simple as the Longhorns being able to
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  Speaker 1: do what Missouri and South Carolina did and stop the run?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's stopping the run on defense, and
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  Speaker 3: I think offensively it's being explosive, right? This is a
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  Speaker 3: Florida defense that just frankly has not been very good
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  Speaker 3: through the first couple weeks of the year. They haven't
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  Speaker 3: stopped the run at a high level, and they've gotten
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  Speaker 3: bullied in the secondary specifically. So if you're Texas right now,
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  Speaker 3: this has to be, again, the get-right game for your offense.
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  Speaker 2: You need your receivers to show up. You need Arch
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  Speaker 2: Manning to play mistake-free football.
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  Speaker 3: And I think on the other side, like you said,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Texas has done a really good job against
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  Speaker 3: the run for the most part. And again, Jaden Ball
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  Speaker 3: is a different kind of challenge, but it's more about
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  Speaker 3: eye discipline, I think, than even talent or disruption. Because,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that's the thing that Buster Faulkner brings to
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  Speaker 3: the table as Florida's offensive coordinator is he likes to
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  Speaker 3: attack angles. He likes to catch you off guard. He
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  Speaker 3: likes to create favorable matchups in his blocking schemes. If
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  Speaker 3: you can avoid those and play complimentary mistake-free football, I
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  Speaker 3: think that you have a really good chance to pull
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  Speaker 3: out a win.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, keyword there is discipline.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's being stressed in more ways than one
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  Speaker 1: inside the Longhorn building right now defensively with Will Muschamp.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking with Shahan J. Arraja from CBS Sports for
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  Speaker 1: just a few more minutes.
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  Speaker 4: What a slate. We've got this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: There's plenty of other SEC games we could get to,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to get your thoughts on Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: and Indiana because the Hoosiers found a way to knock
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  Speaker 1: off Nebraska down two scores on the road. I think
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  Speaker 1: those two receivers are special, but Ohio State, they've looked
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  Speaker 1: the part, I believe, since losing here in Austin.
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  Speaker 2: No, they have.
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  Speaker 3: This is a heavyweight matchup. This is a battle for
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  Speaker 3: Big Ten supremacy. And again, outside of really one quarter,
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  Speaker 3: like Ohio State and Indiana have really managed to take
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  Speaker 3: care of business through these first couple of weeks. I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to be really curious to see how Indiana matches
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  Speaker 3: up because this is the first time that they're playing
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  Speaker 3: against an elite level team. I think that Nebraska and Northwestern, frankly,
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  Speaker 3: are top 25 caliber teams and they found ways to
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  Speaker 3: win those games.
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  Speaker 2: But both of them were a little messy.
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  Speaker 3: And they needed a fourth quarter comeback against Nebraska specifically
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  Speaker 3: in order to pull it off. Well, this is a
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  Speaker 3: game where I think you need Josh Hoover in that
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  Speaker 3: receiver core to be at their best from the word go.
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  Speaker 3: Because when you look at Ohio State, not just the
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  Speaker 3: text game, but in the week since that, Their secondary
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  Speaker 3: has not been.
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  Speaker 2: Playing to the best of their ability at this point.
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  Speaker 3: I think that you always just assume that you can
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  Speaker 3: replace all these pass rushers and all this stuff. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think it's quite happened to the level that Ohio
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  Speaker 3: State fans were hoping for. I think that on the
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  Speaker 3: other side, too, if you're able to at least slow
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  Speaker 3: down Jeremiah Smith and blanket him and force other guys
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  Speaker 3: to beat you, which I think Indiana has the defensive
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  Speaker 3: talent to do, That's going to give you a chance
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  Speaker 3: in this spot. So again, it's really going to be,
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  Speaker 3: I think, who can shut down the opposing passing game
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  Speaker 3: and who also can control the pace of play, hold
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  Speaker 3: on to the ball, give themselves a chance.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be a really interesting matchup.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A big key for me in that one, Indiana pressuring Sayan.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like when you pressure him, it's led to
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  Speaker 1: some less than desirable results in these big games for
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State.
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  Speaker 4: But you're right.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm curious if you view the Big Ten kind
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  Speaker 1: of the way you broke down the SEC.
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  Speaker 4: Are Ohio State and Indiana.
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  Speaker 1: in that top tier above, or is a team like
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  Speaker 1: UCLA or some of these other middling Big Ten teams
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  Speaker 1: that are in that 10 through 25 AP ranking, are
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: they pushing towards being in a tier with those two?
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  Speaker 3: No, I think this one's really interesting, too, because I
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: think that, like you said, there are more teams pushing
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: for that top tier, I think, in the Big Ten.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: But I think that top tier is a little less
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: high right now and is a little bit more accessible
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: than it is in the SEC. Like you said, Ohio
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: State has moments of looking a little mortal.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: Indiana as well.
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: UCLA, like you said, has maybe been the best team,
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: you know, quarter by quarter in the Big Ten to
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: this point.
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: And that game finished, I think it was 17 to
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: 15 last week.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if they just managed to not turn over the ball,
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: this probably should have been a 25-point victory for UCLA.
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: So I think that UCLA absolutely is knocking on the
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: door of that top group as well. And again, I
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: think Ohio State and Indiana have shown moments of looking
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: mortal as well. So it's probably a little bit more
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: muddy even at the top of the Big Ten than
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: it is in the SEC this year. And look, Georgia
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: has a long season to kind of prove that they're
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: above the rest of the field as well. But I
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: do think that the top is less separate in the
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: Big Ten than the SEC.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of the top of
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: the Big 12, but we'll talk about one of its
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: teams first, BYU. Who needs that game more in Provo,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: BYU or Notre Dame?
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: Well, look, I mean, I think it's a big spot
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: for Notre Dame, but this is the biggest spot in
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: program history for BYU. This is a game that they've
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: wanted for decades. You know, I've been doing some reporting.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: I've got a story hopefully coming out Friday. I'm still
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: writing it. But basically, I mean, BYU set up a
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: series with Notre Dame back when both teams were independent
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: in 2012.
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  Speaker 2: And they never got the return game back to Provo. Well,
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: now for the.
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  Speaker 3: First time in program history, BYU is playing at the
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: highest level of college football. They're a top 10 team
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: in the country, and they're finally getting Notre Dame back
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: to town. Notre Dame represents so much of what BYU
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: wants to be. And from a pure football perspective, right,
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: we talk about BYU as a team that's maybe just
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: on the outside looking in, right? Like, yeah, they're really good,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: but not quite that level, right? This is the game
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: where that can change because we know that Notre Dame
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: is at that level. And you get them at home,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: you get them in a big spot. It sucks, I'll
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: just say, that their running back, LJ Martin, is out.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: He's their best player. But I think that they're going
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: to compete hard on defense. I think that they have
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: ways to generate offense as well. So I think that
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: this is a game-changing spot for BYU, not just this year,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: but as a program long-term.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: The lingering idea of Martin coming back to join BYU
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: in a potential postseason push, that makes me think they've
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: got the highest playoff ceiling out of these Big 12 contenders.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: But would you say Texas Tech or Utah takes that
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: crown instead?
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: I think that all three have had very different pathways
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: to get to where they are right now. All three
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: of them are top 11 in SP +, all three
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: are top 12 in the rankings. You know, for BYU,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: they're a little bit more battle-tested. They have a really
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: good win against an Arizona team that I think should
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: be top 25. You know, Utah has been awesome. Like,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: they've been perfect, essentially, but they haven't played anybody to
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: this point. And Texas Tech has the one big win
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: over Houston, but they've also probably looked the shakiest out
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: of all three of these teams overall.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: In all of their other games.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: So I think that BYU is the surest thing of
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: this group, I guess you could call it. You know,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: I think though that Texas Tech might have the highest
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: upside and Utah might be the most dominant team of
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: the bunch. So right now I'd probably take Utah of that,
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: or sorry, I'd probably take BYU of that group, but
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: they're very close together.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: I'd agree with that.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: He's Shahan Jayaraja from CBS Sports. And yeah, it's an
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: awesome slate. Thank you so much for stopping by. We
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: didn't even cover half of it, but we've got to
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: get to a break. Thanks for stopping by.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: All right, we'll be back with more in a few
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: moments here on Sports Radio AM 1300, The Zone.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: Today, attending to some personal business. Nothing bad. Craig will
• 18:16
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• 18:17
  Speaker 1: For now, we've got plenty still to come over the
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: next two-plus hours. Coming up at 3.15, Jory Epstein from
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Yahoo Sports, their senior NFL writer, will join us to
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: talk some pro football. We'll get her thoughts on the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Cowboys' addition of Mike Pettin to the staff. He'll be
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: brought in to join Christian Parker today. and help turn
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: things around for a Dallas defense that is still struggling
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: to get stopped, still struggling to get off the field
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: on third down. Of course, Petten has got connections with
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: both Brian Schottenheimer and Christian Parker. He gave Christian Parker
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: his first job in the NFL with the Green Bay
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Packers back in 2019. Back when he was their defensive coordinator,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: he brought in Christian Parker to work with their position groups. So,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: It is a former NFL head coach joining Brian Schottenheimer's staff,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: bringing in some experience as they try to turn things around.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: We'll talk to Jory about them.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about the Houston Texans move to go get
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Jr. via trade and kind of talk a
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: little bit about both of those divisions and where each
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: of those teams stand. The NFC East, like we touched
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: on yesterday, not looking strong at the moment. The NFC,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: excuse me, the AFC South and the Texans climb back
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: into it after getting some help from the, well, after
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: nearly getting some help from the Philadelphia Eagles in London.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Can they catch the Jacksonville Jaguars?
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: We'll discuss that with Jory. Then coming up later in
• 19:45
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• 19:48
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• 19:49
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• 19:54
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• 19:57
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• 20:00
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• 22:36
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• 22:39
  Speaker 1: last night in the Monday night football overtime thriller. It
• 22:44
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• 22:46
  Speaker 1: classic first half started slow. It's almost like both teams
• 22:50
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• 22:52
  Speaker 1: then the fireworks show began, um, Huge plays in all
• 22:57
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• 23:00
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• 23:02
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• 23:06
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• 23:09
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• 23:10
  Speaker 4: They choose not to go for two.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: That nearly paid off after Nate Landman punched the ball free,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: able to strip James Cook, give the Rams an opportunity
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: to win the game in overtime. All they needed was
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: a field goal, but that field goal was blocked. It
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: was only the second walk-off field goal attempt blocked over
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: the last two seasons, according to NFL research. And both
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: of those have come against the Rams. The other one
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: came last year when Joshua Cardi's game-winning kick against the
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Eagles was blocked in return for a touchdown by Jordan Davis. Now,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: it rears its head for the Rams again, who were
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: really held back by their defense and special teams in
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: this game. Harrison Mevis' 48-yard potential game-winning kick was blocked.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: The Bills took advantage, scoring five plays later on kicker
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Tyler Bass's game winner. The Rams decided, though, to kick
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: it on third. Well, I should say this. They decided to.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: kick it on third down and five, rather than trying
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: to get it closer. They had tried to draw the
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Bills' defense offside after a couple of conservative play calls,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: trying to preserve possession, kind of set that up. And
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: here's what Sean McVay had to say about the way
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: he handled the end of the game. You could tell
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: he has a lot of anger and regret about how
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: it unfolded.
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: You know, with our PAT field goal, not even close
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: to good enough, it cost us the game tonight. Yeah,
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: I'm going to evaluate everything.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: With the third and five play, was there.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what? If I would have.
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I wish I would have had a better play
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: call and gone for it, got it a lot tighter.
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: I'm sick right now with myself, and I'm so proud
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: of that group. This is the tough part of sports,
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: but I'm proud of that team. I'm proud of the
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: way that we battled, and I'm sick that we came
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: up short. I'll be regretting kicking that and not having
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: a better call to be able to go for it
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: on third down and go to fourth or whatever it was,
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: and that's on me.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't stop there for McVay in terms of
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: the accountability, in terms of the raw kind of reactions
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: that he was coming out.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: He's a pretty good interview, McVay.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I think he'll have a great, as I've said on
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: this show before, future in television whenever he decides to
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: go that route. But he might be coaching for a
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: very long time. Here's how he ended the press conference
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: in talking about what needs to be better.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: This one is, uh, this is the one, this stings and, uh,
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: it's going to hurt, but we can't afford to let it, uh,
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: we can't let this team beat us twice. And we're
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: gonna have to regroup and reset ourselves. And it's been
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: a while since I've been this pissed after a game too.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: Considering who you guys played and the circumstances.
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: No, there's no, none of it makes me feel good
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: right now. I'm proud of the effort, but none of,
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: none of it, none of how I feel, um, is
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: positive other than I'm proud of the resilience, the guts
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: that our team displayed, um, But there's no, you know,
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: I don't even know what you want to call it. But,
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: you know, congrats to the Bills.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: And I'm excited about how we freaking move forward.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: We're going to freaking move forward as well. It's hour
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: number two of the program. Those are some thoughts from
• 26:16
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• 27:09
  Speaker 1: New pitch. Breaking ball.
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: Lined in the center.
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: That's going to get down for a base hit.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Hamilton is in. Around third is Terang.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: He will score.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: It's a two-one single.
• 27:19
  Speaker 9: For Christian Yelich.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Oh, captain, my captain. The Brewers take the 3-2 lead.
• 27:26
  Speaker 10: With the Dodgers in relief, here's a fly to center
• 27:29
  Speaker 10: that's deep.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Going back.
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: His pot is turning.
• 27:31
  Speaker 8: Watching.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: It's flying.
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: Goodbye.
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: We're tied.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: William Contreras is third in the postseason.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: And it hit the.
• 27:40
  Speaker 10: Center field batter's eye.
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: 4-4 game in the fifth.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, baby, what a shot.
• 27:45
  Speaker 10: 2-2 to Rojas.
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: Perfection from Milwaukee.
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: And a 2-0 series.
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: Lead over the Dodgers.
• 28:02
  Speaker 10: He swings at the first pitch, hits one high, deep
• 28:05
  Speaker 10: to center field. This ball's got a chance.
• 28:08
  Speaker 12: Gone!
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: We are tied at two.
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: Patrick Bailey with his second postseason home run. A towering
• 28:22
  Speaker 10: blast to dead center. And Cleveland's two runs have come
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: via the long ball. Chase DeLauder, last inning. Patrick Bailey,
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: here in the seventh. And it's a 2-2 game.
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: The pitch.
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: Swung on a little looper into left. That'll get down
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: to base hit. Martinez around third. Here's the front of
• 28:45
  Speaker 10: the plate.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Not in time.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Head first slide.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: He scores.
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: Throwback to first. Martinez gunned down after a big turn.
• 28:53
  Speaker 10: But he got the run home. Jose Ramirez with his
• 28:58
  Speaker 10: third hit of the night.
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: Yandy Diaz off the end of the bat.
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  Speaker 2: This should do it.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: How about the Guardians? Coming in hot.
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: A team that finds a way, and they find a
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: way to the win column in game.
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: One of this championship series.
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: Four consecutive wins in the postseason for the first time
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: since their World Series run a decade ago.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, quite the night of MLB postseason play.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: Jake Herman back with you, filling in for Craig Wade.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: This is hour number two of our show. We're with
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  Speaker 1: 1300 the zone the brewers scoring more runs last night
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  Speaker 1: that you heard in those highlights called by lane grindle
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• 30:03
  Speaker 1: on the TBS call for those highlights from the American
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: League Championship Series, where the Cleveland Guardians go on the road,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: take a 1-0 lead. And now, in a moment, I'll
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: get to why I think they're in a pretty good
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: spot here in this series now against the Tampa Bay Rays.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: But for Milwaukee, who, remember, was.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Just so, so stagnant offensively, in the National League Championship
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Series against the Dodgers a year ago. They are scoring
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: runs at a great clip right now. And part of
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: that comes from grinding out at bats. Part of that
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: comes from using their speed. They were able to chase
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Yoshinobu Yamamoto early on in the ballgame, ramping his pitch
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: count up into the high 70s in the third inning.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: It was Yamamoto's shortest postseason start, excuse me, And it
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: was a big part of the reason the Brewers were
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: able to win the ball game. Yamamoto lasting just two
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: and two-thirds innings. He was forced to throw 75 pitches.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Jake Bowers at one point grinded out a double-digit pitch
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: at bat.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: It lasted seven minutes.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: It was part of a rally for Milwaukee in the
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: third inning when they turned a 2-1 deficit into a
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: 3-2 lead. You heard the call on the two-run single
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: for Christian Yelich. He gets off the schneid in terms
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: of playoff RBI the last time He had one of those,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: was all the way back in 2018. So the captain
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: who you heard means so much to the Brewers, he
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: comes up with a big hit. William Contreras has been
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: arguably the best player in the series so far. He
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: was so good in the National League Division Series, including
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: that game-winning home run. in game one he was the
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: one who got them on the board kind of setting
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: the tone he is the the heartbeat in so many
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: ways for this Milwaukee Brewer team now it's the Dodgers
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: who are searching for offense they were held to just
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: three hits in game two everybody it seems like is
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: just searching for something at the plate right now Will
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Smith is just one for 23 in the playoffs Shohei
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Otani is three for 20, and the three hits are
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: all singles. There's some discussion in the Dodgers dugout about
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: potentially moving him lower in the lineup, potentially sitting him.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Rookie Josue DiPaola might be the top candidate to take
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Otani's place as a DH in the lineup. Anytime you
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: see Shohei showing bunt against a relief pitcher, it's a
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: sign that he is not quite right at the plate
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: because of the injuries that have hampered him. He just
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: hasn't been able to find the same rhythm. He's got
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: one RBI in the last two months. He's got just
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: one homer since August 18th.
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: So it is.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Been a long time since Shohei Ohtani has looked like
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: himself at the plate you know the help has something
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: to do with it you know he's capable of breaking
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: out and totally changing a series I mean he was
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: last year's NLCS MVP but that's something to watch going
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: forward in this series what do the Dodgers decide to
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: do with Ohtani could he potentially sit in game three
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: as the Dodgers search for an offensive spark meanwhile I
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: told you the Guardians were in a good spot How
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: about this? They were down 0-2 to the Chicago White Sox,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: win three elimination games in a row. Now they steal
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: game one on the road without Gavin Williams. They beat
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Drew Rasmussen, clawing back on Patrick Bailey's game-tying home run
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: in the seventh, breaking through with that.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: Run-scoring burst to end the ballgame.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: They were up 4-3 going into the ninth, had the
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: three insurance runs get tacked on. Now they get to
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: send Parker Messick, to the hill and he had one
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: good start one shaky start in the ALDS against the
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: White Sox but he's a tough matchup for the Rays
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: who are not as dominant against lefties as they are
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: righties they were just 26th in OPS plus against lefties
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: this year a lineup that was otherwise one of baseball's
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: most potent, most consistent, doesn't matter who was on the mound.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: He pitched really well twice.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Against the Rays this season, and he will be on
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: the mound for Cleveland as they look to go on
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: top 2-0 in game number two of that series tonight.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: He'll be opposed on the mound by Freddie Peralta for
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Big spot for Freddie, the righty.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Who will be facing a Guardians team that has really
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: broken out in a big way offensively, led, of course,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: by Jose Ramirez. Coming up, we're going to shift gears
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: back to NFL football when Jory Epstein from Yahoo Sports
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: joins us talking Texans, Cowboys, and much, much more. Glad
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: to have you with us on this Tuesday afternoon edition
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: of the program here on Sports Radio AM 1300 The
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Zone and the free iHeartRadio app. We continue talking to
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: NFL next on this Tuesday afternoon edition of the program.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Jake Herman in for Craig Way. Happy to welcome our
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: next guest. She is a senior NFL reporter over at
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Yahoo Sports, Jory Epstein. Hey, Jory, thanks for making the
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: time for us. And what a ball game last night
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: to tee us off here.
• 35:10
  Speaker 13: Absolutely great to be on with you, Jake. And yes,
• 35:13
  Speaker 13: that was quite the game. Yet another overtime for the NFL,
• 35:16
  Speaker 13: who loves their one-score games, and they love their overtime.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we've seen a lot of those.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: It was a marathon NFL week, like Mike Tirico pointed
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: out on Sunday Night Football, from the London game bleeding
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: into the early window yesterday, and then overtime in both
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the Falcons-Ravens game, and then last night between the Bills
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: and the Rams. I'm curious, obviously these are two teams
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: that a lot of folks had penciled in as Super
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Bowl contenders yesterday, If we learned anything meaningful in your
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: view about either side from what we saw out there
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: last night.
• 35:47
  Speaker 13: Yeah, we did have to make picks at Yahoo Sports,
• 35:49
  Speaker 13: which I don't love picks. I'm always like, isn't my
• 35:51
  Speaker 13: job to inform rather than predict? But we have to
• 35:53
  Speaker 13: do them for work. And I did pick the Bills
• 35:55
  Speaker 13: and the Rams at the beginning of the season to
• 35:57
  Speaker 13: be the Super Bowl team. So I still think that's possible.
• 36:01
  Speaker 13: But I think we saw from the Bills that Josh
• 36:03
  Speaker 13: Allen is as much of a threat as he's ever been.
• 36:05
  Speaker 13: I get that he's sometimes going to have the turnovers.
• 36:08
  Speaker 13: But he's had a rushing touchdown in every single game.
• 36:10
  Speaker 13: He's got eight and five and more than 50 rushing
• 36:13
  Speaker 13: yards beyond what he had done this season against a
• 36:15
  Speaker 13: Rams team that I thought looked a little stronger defensively
• 36:18
  Speaker 13: in some of their earlier performances than they did against
• 36:21
  Speaker 13: Josh Allen and James Cook last night. I think when
• 36:24
  Speaker 13: you get and then you look at what they were
• 36:25
  Speaker 13: doing on defense and special teams, I mean, to block
• 36:28
  Speaker 13: that kick late. Yes, the Rams were having special teams concerns,
• 36:31
  Speaker 13: but it really was a pretty complete performance from the Bills,
• 36:35
  Speaker 13: recognizing that, yes, they had the fumble in overtime, but
• 36:37
  Speaker 13: it was kind of like everyone was stepping up to
• 36:39
  Speaker 13: make the move when they most needed to. With the Rams,
• 36:42
  Speaker 13: I still think that the Rams are extremely talented, particularly
• 36:45
  Speaker 13: on offense, and that once they get back to full
• 36:48
  Speaker 13: strength with their roster guys like Miles Garrett coming back,
• 36:52
  Speaker 13: that they could be the most dangerous if they get
• 36:55
  Speaker 13: to the playoffs completely. But we're kind of getting to
• 36:56
  Speaker 13: this point where you have to wonder, is there going
• 36:58
  Speaker 13: to be too much margin of error? Like, are they
• 37:00
  Speaker 13: going to make it to the playoffs?
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Especially with that crowded division, it's a question that's worth
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: bringing up. And, you know, we're going to talk in
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: a moment about the Texans and the Cowboys who each
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: face their own perilous path to the playoffs. I mean,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: the NFC East, I pointed it out, nobody won last
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: week and two teams played one another. It says something
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: about where the division is. The Dallas Cowboys, and you've
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: done some great reporting on this, Jory, having covered them
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: in the past and obviously continuing to cover the league.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: this season they're willing to invest in in whatever it
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: takes to fix this defense and the latest chapter in
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: that story is bringing in mike pettin to help out
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: christian parker on the defensive side of the football what
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: did you make of this move and um how do
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: you think this potentially changes the cowboys outlook in the
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: nfc east yeah i think this.
• 37:50
  Speaker 13: Move makes a lot of sense mike penn is someone
• 37:52
  Speaker 13: who previously had hired christian parker under him with the
• 37:55
  Speaker 13: green bay packers he's also worked with head coach and
• 37:58
  Speaker 13: offensive play caller brian schottenheimer more than a decade ago
• 38:01
  Speaker 13: back when they were with the New York Jets. So
• 38:03
  Speaker 13: he's got a lot of familiarity with the staff. And
• 38:06
  Speaker 13: usually you see some sort of defensive, offensive assistant role
• 38:09
  Speaker 13: on coaching staffs. I mean, Cowboys team owner and general
• 38:12
  Speaker 13: manager Jerry Jones talked about this on radio today and said, look,
• 38:16
  Speaker 13: we wanted to do this before the season. He wasn't
• 38:18
  Speaker 13: available then. Now he is. It makes a lot of sense.
• 38:21
  Speaker 13: And so I think it's more about supporting Christian Parker
• 38:24
  Speaker 13: than it is about taking out the power from him.
• 38:26
  Speaker 13: I mean, we've seen other teams across the league, like
• 38:29
  Speaker 13: the Denver Broncos with Sean Payton, as well as the
• 38:32
  Speaker 13: Texans with D'Amico Ryans, take that play calling away from
• 38:35
  Speaker 13: their coordinator and give it to their head coach, the
• 38:37
  Speaker 13: Broncos on offense and the Texans on defense. And so
• 38:39
  Speaker 13: to me, you do this, then Christian Parker is also
• 38:41
  Speaker 13: apparently going to be coaching up from the booth now
• 38:44
  Speaker 13: rather than the sideline. And you say, And let's give
• 38:46
  Speaker 13: you a little bit more. The last thing that's worth
• 38:48
  Speaker 13: noting is that, yes, Christian Parker is a first-time play caller.
• 38:51
  Speaker 13: It takes a little bit of time. The Cowboys also
• 38:54
  Speaker 13: haven't been a 3-4 defense in like 13 years. And
• 38:57
  Speaker 13: so this is not just the new players. It's not
• 38:59
  Speaker 13: just the first-time play callers. It's also the fact that
• 39:02
  Speaker 13: it usually takes, and I wrote about this over the offseason,
• 39:05
  Speaker 13: a couple years to be able to get your personnel
• 39:07
  Speaker 13: ready for a completely new system. It's not just new
• 39:09
  Speaker 13: plays in the same type of system. So I think
• 39:11
  Speaker 13: we have to keep that in mind.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: There are new personnel, and then there are also the
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: personnel having to fill in for the Cowboys. I mean,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: the boatload of injuries they've had on the defensive side
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: plays a big role in that kind of transition period
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: you're talking about as well. So here are the Cowboys
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: at two and three. The Giants, despite that unconvincing time.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: tie in Washington, lead the division at three, one and one.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Do you lean a certain way in the NFC East
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: right now as to who ends up on top of
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: one of the weaker divisions in football?
• 39:40
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm still not that afraid of the Giants if
• 39:42
  Speaker 13: I'm anyone in the NFL, but they're winning games they
• 39:46
  Speaker 13: shouldn't win, tying games they should have lost. So I
• 39:49
  Speaker 13: don't know that I'm really convinced. I still think that
• 39:51
  Speaker 13: the Cowboys and the Eagles have more talent. I actually
• 39:53
  Speaker 13: think Jaden Daniels in Washington played quite well this week,
• 39:56
  Speaker 13: and he was rushing quite well before they had their
• 39:58
  Speaker 13: late game gap in overtime. And so I think it's
• 40:01
  Speaker 13: pretty wide open. The Giants clearly have shown that they're
• 40:04
  Speaker 13: not making some of the errors, but I mean, they
• 40:06
  Speaker 13: still had that overtime fumble that led to Washington having
• 40:08
  Speaker 13: the chance. So I would say everyone's kind of a mess,
• 40:11
  Speaker 13: which means they're all still in it.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's well put.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: We're talking with Jory Epstein from Yahoo Sports, where she's
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: a senior NFL reporter.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: And we had a big trade.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: You don't see trades like this in the NFL too
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: often with the Texans sending a second round pick as
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: well as a six for seventh round swap over to
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals to take on Marvin Harrison Jr. What
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: have you heard around the league in terms of reactions
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: to this?
• 40:38
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it was interesting. I was at the Browns Jets
• 40:40
  Speaker 13: game when this went down and I went into the
• 40:42
  Speaker 13: Jets locker room afterwards and talked to Garrett Wilson and
• 40:44
  Speaker 13: So I'm like, okay, Garrett, you are also a receiver
• 40:47
  Speaker 13: who's drafted top 10. You played with Marvin Harrison Jr.
• 40:49
  Speaker 13: at Ohio State and you played with CJ Stroud at
• 40:52
  Speaker 13: Ohio State. Like, what do you think about this? And
• 40:54
  Speaker 13: he said, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this,
• 40:56
  Speaker 13: but I was praying that something would happen. I was
• 40:58
  Speaker 13: praying for him to have something like this. And I
• 41:00
  Speaker 13: think when you look at it, the value is a
• 41:02
  Speaker 13: little rich for my liking. I talked to other teams
• 41:04
  Speaker 13: around the league who said they would not have given
• 41:06
  Speaker 13: up anything higher than a day three pick. So a
• 41:08
  Speaker 13: fourth or fifth round at the highest, knowing that the
• 41:11
  Speaker 13: Cardinals kept asking for a second round pick. That said,
• 41:15
  Speaker 13: I think if there's a team that it's most likely
• 41:17
  Speaker 13: Marvin Harrison Jr. will revive his career at, it is
• 41:20
  Speaker 13: the Texans with CJ Stroud and having the chemistry they
• 41:23
  Speaker 13: already had together in college. And Garrett was talking me
• 41:26
  Speaker 13: through how they're both very cerebral and really connect on that.
• 41:29
  Speaker 13: And so I think from an on and off field standpoint,
• 41:31
  Speaker 13: it could be a really good mix. And I get
• 41:34
  Speaker 13: why you'd want to take a flat. I mean, it's
• 41:36
  Speaker 13: not really a flyer. You gave up a second round pick.
• 41:38
  Speaker 13: I get why you would want to take a chance
• 41:40
  Speaker 13: to upgrade your roster. But if you're the Texans, you're
• 41:43
  Speaker 13: still one in four. You've only beat the Titans who
• 41:46
  Speaker 13: have beat nobody. So you have no wins against any
• 41:48
  Speaker 13: team that has beat anyone. And you just gave up
• 41:51
  Speaker 13: a second round pick in the 2027 draft, which is
• 41:53
  Speaker 13: supposed to be very talent rich. So I would say
• 41:56
  Speaker 13: over the whole, it kind of is a desperation move.
• 41:59
  Speaker 13: But could they revive his career?
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: It's possible.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think about the fit joining C.J. Stroud,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: who I know has come into the season with a
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: lot to prove, obviously playing without the contract. That was
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: the big offseason conversation with Nick Casario and C.J. Stroud,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: both kind of acknowledging that it had to be better
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: than what they put out on the field in 2025,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, wasting one of the better defensive seasons
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: we've seen in the NFL in a long time. But
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I feel like this Texans passing game and offense as
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: a whole under Nick Cayley, while they've struggled to run it,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: I feel like Stroud's played better this season so far.
• 42:33
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm glad you pointed that out, Jake, because I
• 42:35
  Speaker 13: included that in my article, this idea of like, just
• 42:37
  Speaker 13: because they're losing doesn't mean CJ Stroud is playing poorly.
• 42:40
  Speaker 13: He's completed 64.3% of his passes, six touchdowns, no interceptions,
• 42:45
  Speaker 13: like 1400 yards, another rushing touchdown. I mean, he's been
• 42:48
  Speaker 13: pretty efficient and he's been doing this without most of
• 42:51
  Speaker 13: his receivers. You have the Jaden Higgins ACL chair. You
• 42:54
  Speaker 13: have Nico Collins suffering the hamstring strain. Tank Dell hasn't
• 42:58
  Speaker 13: come back from injured reserve yet. So he really has
• 43:00
  Speaker 13: had a pretty shallow group. And to that point, I
• 43:03
  Speaker 13: would say the Texans need to understand what they have
• 43:06
  Speaker 13: in CJ Stroud to understand, do they want to give
• 43:08
  Speaker 13: this guy an extension, especially given the massive price tag
• 43:12
  Speaker 13: on quarterbacks you're extending? And so understanding what he looks
• 43:15
  Speaker 13: like with at least some degree of a compliment of weapons,
• 43:18
  Speaker 13: even if he's still going to have a lot of
• 43:19
  Speaker 13: injured guys, is a valuable lesson to learn for your
• 43:22
  Speaker 13: team building.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hadn't thought about it that way. You're surrounding
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: him with more talent. You are still evaluating every day
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: what his future is, even as we watch this season
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: kind of get thrown into doubt. I mean, what's gone
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: wrong in your mind for the Texans defense? This was
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: supposed to be an elite unit, and they've had chances
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: to close out ballgames and haven't been able to do it.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I'm curious if you're seeing anything specific there. on that
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: front for D'Amico, Ryans, and crew?
• 43:46
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it's really surprising because, I mean, I had someone
• 43:50
  Speaker 13: ask me today who I was talking to, well, why
• 43:51
  Speaker 13: wouldn't D'Amico have just called the defense all along when
• 43:53
  Speaker 13: he's so good at it? And I'm like, okay, but
• 43:55
  Speaker 13: Matt Burke was calling the defense last year when they
• 43:57
  Speaker 13: were playing so well. So they had a success in
• 43:59
  Speaker 13: the past. I mean, it's a good question. I think
• 44:02
  Speaker 13: sometimes you can see little mistakes spiral. So I don't
• 44:05
  Speaker 13: know that it's one single thing, but definitely this is
• 44:07
  Speaker 13: a defense that I mean, struggled against the pass. The
• 44:11
  Speaker 13: run has not been a huge issue for them, but
• 44:13
  Speaker 13: you really need to be able to be more effective
• 44:15
  Speaker 13: against the pass.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see that Texans defense try and adjust the
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: second half of the season. They take on a Jacksonville
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Jaguars team next week that.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Might have some issues up front.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: So we'll see if Will Anderson's able to feast on
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: some of the offensive line injuries that the Jags picked
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: up in London. Okay, five weeks into the season, we're
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: talking with Jory Epstein from Yahoo Sports for just a
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: couple more minutes here. What's the biggest story in the
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: NFL right now?
• 44:41
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it's funny. I think there's a sense of recency bias,
• 44:43
  Speaker 13: but what feels like the biggest story to me right
• 44:45
  Speaker 13: now is the game management across the NFL. We see
• 44:48
  Speaker 13: the commanders and how they bowl the game when they
• 44:50
  Speaker 13: don't get lined up to kick the field goal, much
• 44:52
  Speaker 13: less to make the field goal. You see the Cowboys
• 44:55
  Speaker 13: at the end of their game in Rio against the
• 44:57
  Speaker 13: Baltimore Ravens only, I mean, allow enough time for Lamar
• 45:00
  Speaker 13: Jackson to make that final pass to lose on the
• 45:02
  Speaker 13: field goal. And everyone's saying, well, it's the decision-making and
• 45:05
  Speaker 13: head coach Brian Schottenheimer saying, I made the wrong decision.
• 45:08
  Speaker 13: And then the Philadelphia Eagles do the opposite this week
• 45:10
  Speaker 13: in London against the Jaguars, and they also lose. And
• 45:13
  Speaker 13: so there's kind of all of these questions of, is
• 45:15
  Speaker 13: it the execution? Is it the decision-making? And it kind
• 45:18
  Speaker 13: of reminds me how much goes right on every single
• 45:20
  Speaker 13: NFL play, which I know that's kind of like an
• 45:22
  Speaker 13: annoyingly rose-colored glasses thing to say, but it's crazy how
• 45:26
  Speaker 13: much work needs to go into all of this. So
• 45:27
  Speaker 13: I would say situational football, it's a little bit trite,
• 45:30
  Speaker 13: but when I go around to my training camp tour,
• 45:32
  Speaker 13: I tend to feel like, oh, everyone wants to just
• 45:34
  Speaker 13: tell me they're practicing situational football. And then you get
• 45:37
  Speaker 13: into the season and you're really like, well, maybe they
• 45:40
  Speaker 13: actually do need to be practicing this. And then the
• 45:42
  Speaker 13: other thing I'll say is Patrick Mahomes coming back at
• 45:45
  Speaker 13: the level he came back from his injury, doing what
• 45:47
  Speaker 13: he's done, getting the Chiefs to 4-0. I mean, it's
• 45:50
  Speaker 13: so impressive. So I know obviously he's got his Texas
• 45:53
  Speaker 13: college ties. I don't think we should stop taking, I
• 45:55
  Speaker 13: don't think we should take for granted what Patrick Mahomes
• 45:58
  Speaker 13: is doing and the fact that when he had that injury,
• 46:00
  Speaker 13: there was questions.
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: About could he do that again?
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: And it's easy to forget when you're watching Josh Allen
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: play on what feels like a whole other level last night.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: But Mahomes and Ken Walker, that offense looks like it's
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: found some of its swagger back, even with the injury
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: that Rasheed Rice has picked up.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, quick hitter here.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Bigger surprise, the Vikings at 5-0 or the Chargers at 0-5?
• 46:21
  Speaker 13: Chargers at 0-5. I mean, the Vikings still need to
• 46:23
  Speaker 13: figure out their offense, but with Brian Flores' defense, you
• 46:26
  Speaker 13: always have such a high ceiling. I thought this Mike McDaniel,
• 46:30
  Speaker 13: Justin Herbert, pairing was going to work better and I
• 46:32
  Speaker 13: get that they've had a lot of a really tough
• 46:35
  Speaker 13: schedule but 0-5 is just.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable yeah I'm pretty surprised by that too I picked
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: them on this show to win the division and that's
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: the last time we'll mention that for a few months
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: one thing that we've mentioned too much early in the
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: season you had some good reporting on this are the
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: penalty flags being up around football we saw I think
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: 25 or 26 more flags last night even before overtime
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: and Is this the new norm, 200 penalty yards per game?
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Is something off right now?
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Are we seeing kind of a bug or a new
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: feature of NFL football games being this flag heavy?
• 47:09
  Speaker 13: Yeah, well put. And it depends who you ask. In
• 47:11
  Speaker 13: the league, different people have different opinions. There are definitely
• 47:13
  Speaker 13: some teams I'm talking to who are like, I don't know,
• 47:16
  Speaker 13: these officials, the league was trying to really emphasize accountability
• 47:20
  Speaker 13: during the collective bargaining agreement negotiation this offseason. Maybe we're
• 47:24
  Speaker 13: seeing kind of the impact of this. You have other
• 47:26
  Speaker 13: people say, well, it's early in the season. A lot
• 47:28
  Speaker 13: of players aren't playing in preseason. You're going to have
• 47:30
  Speaker 13: sloppiness early in the season. It tends to get figured out.
• 47:33
  Speaker 13: And then there's also an element of going into this week,
• 47:36
  Speaker 13: and I haven't checked the numbers coming out of this week,
• 47:39
  Speaker 13: delay of game and false start penalties were at 10-year highs,
• 47:42
  Speaker 13: which is notable not because it's the only flag being thrown,
• 47:45
  Speaker 13: but those are not like officials all of a sudden
• 47:48
  Speaker 13: saying that everything is DPI or nothing is DPI. That's
• 47:51
  Speaker 13: really more of a pre-snap. operational things. So I think
• 47:54
  Speaker 13: there's a couple of things and new play callers. So
• 47:57
  Speaker 13: I do think it's going to even back out in October, November,
• 47:59
  Speaker 13: and December, but we've already had significant tension between officials
• 48:02
  Speaker 13: and players and coaches. So we'll see if it gets
• 48:05
  Speaker 13: even down in time to kind of cool that a little.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, feels like an all-time high in terms of tension
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: and certainly in terms of flags making for a choppy product.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: But I'm glad you brought out the kind of distinction
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: there on the pre-snap penalties. Unlike Dan Quinn, I know
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: you are on the clock, so I won't lose track
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: of time.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Love the intel.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for stopping by and joining us, Jory.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: And yeah, really appreciate the time.
• 48:28
  Speaker 13: Jake, great to be on with you. Talk to you soon.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: That's Jory Epstein, senior NFL reporter with Yahoo Sports. We're
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: back with more NFL talk, including some sound bites from
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Jerry Jones here on AM 1300 The Zone. Rolling it
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: back with one of Central Texas' own Silverada here on
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: a Texan Tuesday where our return cuts include the iconic
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Willie Nelson, which we heard earlier on. beginning of our
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: segment with jory epstein thank you to jory for joining
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: us to talk some nfl football a moment ago and
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: you heard her mention jerry jones had his radio appearance
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: with our friends up in dallas at 105.3 the fan
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: we're going to bring you a couple of those cuts
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: now jerry addressing the mike pettin hire the defense and
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: some of the coaching changes what those might look like
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: first though he was asked about his opinion on the
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: employee the team employee in the tunnel that went viral
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: on thursday night telling dac prescott his performance was embarrassing
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: or shouting it within his earshot at least and jerry's
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: answer a little surprising on this.
• 49:36
  Speaker 14: I didn't pay a lot of attention to it. It
• 49:39
  Speaker 14: doesn't impact me at all. The driver in question was
• 49:44
  Speaker 14: not an employee, but feds can express themselves and should
• 49:50
  Speaker 14: express themselves. I love it for them, too. Whether he
• 49:54
  Speaker 14: was our employee or not, he was a fan, so
• 49:57
  Speaker 14: it sounds like. So I'm for our fans expressing themselves.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Turns out it was an employee working for a third-party contractor.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: But Jerry Jones kind of took a different stance on
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: it and kind of defended his ability to speak out,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: which I thought was interesting. Somebody in the tunnel shouting
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: at Dak Prescott after a loss, maybe not necessarily the
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: time and the place.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: On the other side, you can understand Jerry's point of
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: view on it.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: He was asked about the state of the defense in
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: light of bringing in Mike Pettin, who will help out
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Christian Parker. taking on a big-time role to try and
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: turn things around for the Cowboys' defense?
• 50:35
  Speaker 14: Well, I know what we put into it, some of
• 50:40
  Speaker 14: the tactic, if you will, strategy implementation that we've done.
• 50:51
  Speaker 14: and I have a lot of confidence that we're going
• 50:53
  Speaker 14: in that direction in the right way. I'm obviously disappointed
• 50:58
  Speaker 14: in our results so far, but I think that we're
• 51:06
  Speaker 14: a long way down the road. I had mentioned after
• 51:09
  Speaker 14: the game that we were back to square one. I
• 51:12
  Speaker 14: really probably think that we're better off than that, but
• 51:18
  Speaker 14: we are back to square one relative to what it
• 51:22
  Speaker 14: looks like at this point relative to last year. But
• 51:25
  Speaker 14: I think that to answer your question, we've made some
• 51:28
  Speaker 14: big headway. We've just this week added Mike Patton to
• 51:36
  Speaker 14: our coaching staff, and that was something that we would
• 51:41
  Speaker 14: have done had we had.
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: The opportunity earlier.
• 51:44
  Speaker 14: And he'll be a good addition in working there with
• 51:47
  Speaker 14: Coach Parker to get this defense going in the right track.
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: For the games.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Jerry Jones with some sound bites earlier today with RJ
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: and Sean up in Dallas, 105.3 The Fan. One more
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: from Jerry, and that is with Mike Pettin being introduced
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: to the defense now, is he worried at all about
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: there being, so to speak, too many cooks in the
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: kitchen when it comes to the voice in the helmet
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: that gets things turned around, the voice in practice, trying
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: to turn this defense from one of the worst in
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: football into a unit that can help them win the division?
• 52:19
  Speaker 14: Well, I think you sound like Don Shulam. Don Shula,
• 52:23
  Speaker 14: the great Don Shula, several years ago, he said, you're
• 52:27
  Speaker 14: sitting here with all these coaches.
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: When do you have time to coach.
• 52:30
  Speaker 14: If you're the head coach? All you're doing is coaching
• 52:33
  Speaker 14: the coaches. And that was done. And so this is
• 52:37
  Speaker 14: a debate that goes on quite a bit as to
• 52:42
  Speaker 14: the size, the numbers of coaching staff, if you're looking
• 52:48
  Speaker 14: at it from the standpoint of, let's say, the head coach.
• 52:51
  Speaker 14: Even in that fact, in the case of the coordinators,
• 52:55
  Speaker 14: they've got multiple coaches that they, in essence, have to coach.
• 53:00
  Speaker 14: But it certainly has worked and works for when the
• 53:06
  Speaker 14: champ is over, most of the clubs have comparable numbers
• 53:10
  Speaker 14: of coaches on their staffs. And people do win the
• 53:14
  Speaker 14: championship with it. So that's where we are. You can't
• 53:17
  Speaker 14: say it doesn't work. But it does involve the coordination
• 53:22
  Speaker 14: of quite a few people to coach it.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: It's a Cowboys defense that's searching a little bit.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: CBS Sports reporting they had a players-only meeting after this
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: change was made, where they kind of came out with
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: the conclusion that these problems are on them.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: DeMarvian Overshawn said as much with the media.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: It's a defense that statistically has performed very poorly in
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: the NFL in terms of points allowed. They're 26th. Passing
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: touchdowns allowed, 29th. Yards per carry allowed, 29th. Third down efficiency,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: dead last. Red zone efficiency, 25th. they've allowed at least
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: 20 points in each of their first five games and
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: one of those games occurred against the undrafted rookie quarterback
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in Jalen Daniels who made
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: his second career start his first road start and really
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: it was Bucky Irving who torched them just as much
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: as Daniels did in that ball game Joey Porter Jr.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: the new signing they brought in at uh cornerback via
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: trade from the Pittsburgh Steelers. He was unable to play
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: a late scratch due to its stomach illness that he
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: picked up before the game started. So the Cowboys searching
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: to regroup in a lot of different ways, and they
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: finally get an extended week of rest to be able
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: to do so. Their matchup this week, the Dallas Cowboys,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: is on the road in Green Bay against a resurgent
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Packers team who beat Tyson Bajan and the Caleb Williams-less
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Bears 31-7. the team that ended their season a year ago,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: coming into Lambeau Field where the scene was very different
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. They were booed, losing to Michael
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Penix and the Atlanta Falcons in lopsided fashion a couple
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: weeks back, but.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: That's the NFL.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: You're only as good as your last couple weeks, and
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: the Packers at 3-2 now, despite having some issues they've
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: been able to have some big plays offensively Christian Watson
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Matthew Golden combining to be a nice tandem last week
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: the first time they showed life as a running game
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: on the ground but we'll see it's not a Packers
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: offense that's been lighting the world on fire particularly not
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: when it comes to rushing they've just been able to
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: take the ball away from their opponents it'll be an
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: interesting matchup Sunday night at Lambeau Field later this week
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: on the program you'll hear Brian Schottenheimer previewing that from
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys perspective But coming up next, we will
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: talk a little more about the American League Championship Series,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Game 2 tonight, the only real pro sports show in
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: town when it comes to things you can put on
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: the tv tonight when you get home if you're listening
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: to us leaving work right now we'll also have a
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: couple more things coming up regarding longhorn football and we'll
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: hear from vick schaefer in the final hour and a
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: quarter of today's program we're glad to have you with
• 56:05
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• 56:08
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• 56:11
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• 56:17
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• 56:17
  Speaker 1: We'll be back with some more on Major League Baseball
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: on AM 1300 The Zone. Okay, backside of the three
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: o'clock hour, kind of like the backside of the first
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: base bag that Jose Ramirez slid into safely yesterday. after
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: knocking in a run for the fourth consecutive postseason game.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: That includes the three times that Cleveland fought off elimination
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: when they came back to beat the Chicago White Sox
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: in that best of five ALDS. Now they're up 1-0,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: and like I said, in a pretty good position in
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: this series against the Rays. They've got Parker Messick heading
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: to the mound. The Rays have not been as good
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: against lefties this year. Messick already two quality starts. ERA
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: below one and a half against the Rays this season.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Can he bounce back from lasting just two and a
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: third innings, though, in game four against the White Sox?
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: That's a different situation. That's a shorter leash than he'll
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: have today. He's going to be facing a guy in
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Freddie Peralta who went 5-0 over the last month plus
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: of the season.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: ERA was below one.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: He had a couple of rocky outings right when he
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: got to Tampa Bay. And then as the Rays tend
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: to do when they get their pitchers into that environment,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: whether it's the ballpark, of course, the coaching staff and
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: the analytics, the biggest culprits of it, they can really, really.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: Turn guys' careers, turn guys' seasons around. And the former Brewer.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: really struggled with the Mets this year he's tasked with
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: trying to slow down this suddenly white hot Cleveland Guardian
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: offense they scored seven runs over the last four innings
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: of game one after being held in check by Drew
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: Rasmussen early and Steven Vogt their manager talked about the
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: team's resiliency which has really been true all season after
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Cleveland started the year real slow they are.
• 58:09
  Speaker 15: Um you know obviously we came off an emotional series
• 58:12
  Speaker 15: had a quick turnaround um But these guys come ready
• 58:15
  Speaker 15: to play every day. I couldn't be more proud of them.
• 58:19
  Speaker 15: We got punched early, and then our pitching staff, credit
• 58:21
  Speaker 15: to them for stopping it and keeping us in the
• 58:24
  Speaker 15: game as long as they did, and then the offense
• 58:26
  Speaker 15: came alive. I thought we had graded bats the whole
• 58:28
  Speaker 15: game and just couldn't get that one hit with runner
• 58:31
  Speaker 15: scoring position and then hit a couple balls out of
• 58:33
  Speaker 15: the yard, make it a new game, and really good
• 58:35
  Speaker 15: job by our offense.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Steven Vogt talking about the Guardian offense,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: which continues to turn things around after they were really
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: falling flat in the middle portion of the season. They
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: really have turned that thing around in a hurry, getting healthy.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Jose Ramirez, who missed. The first part of the season,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: not quite himself for a few months. None of that
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: really matters when you get to the playoffs. I pointed
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: out that really great slide he had to get back
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: into first base when he almost got caught overrunning it.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: You heard Tom Hamilton on our highlight montage earlier say
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: that he was out that call. was overturned on replay
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: because of an incredible slide. He made another great base
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: running play, taking off for third, opening up the left
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: side of the infield for Joe Adele to knock in
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: those two insurance runs, which were so pivotal for the
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Guardians in putting things away. It allowed closer Cade Smith
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: to go right after Tampa. in a very efficient ninth inning,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: meaning he and Hunter Gattis are available for tonight. That's
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: huge because the Guardians had to lean on their bullpen
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: to keep it close in game one of that series
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: last night. Game one winners go on to win the
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: series more than two-thirds of the time, even in this
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: best-of-seven format. That number is even bigger if you win
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: game one on the road. And that's what the Guardians
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: were able to do out hitting the Rays 14-7 and
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: traveling pretty well as a fan base to Tampa Bay.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Those Guardians fans, like Craig talked about yesterday, they've waited
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: a long time since 1948, since their last World Series.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: They made it to the World Series a decade ago.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Now they've won four playoff games in a row for
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: the first time. since that run which was ended in
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: game seven heartbreak at the hands of the chicago cubs
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: meanwhile the milwaukee brewers trying to get to the world
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: series trying to avenge last year's loss to the dodgers
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: it's a travel day for those involved in that series
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: but it's a day in which the brewers have to
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: be feeling pretty good as they jet across the country
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: they've got the dodgers on the ropes down now teams
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: have only in the history of the nlcs and i
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: and i saw this stat earlier um The comebacks are
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: pretty rare for MLB teams when they fall behind 0-2.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: It just is difficult because the pitching mechanics change. When
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: you play with the lead in a best-of-seven series, you
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: have the luxury of adapting on the fly and punting
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: a game if you have to to save your pitching
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: and have it lined up for the gotta-have-it moments that
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: can come later. Um, 16% of the time, that's the
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: stat for teams that go down to nothing in a
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: best of seven, 16% are able to come back. Only
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: 16 teams have done that in best of seven post-season series.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: 10 of those 16 have come in the world series
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: and only six have come in the league championship series.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Some of that has to do with the format changing,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: evolving over time. But I think it says something about
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: if you get to the world series, maybe the tax
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: on both bullpens is even. There are other factors that
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: come into play at that point. There's usually extra rest
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: involved in a World Series. There's also a certain type
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: of team that's able to come back from a 2-0
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: and a best of seven. If you can get to
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: the World Series, your depth has been tested at some
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: point along the way, or you're like the 2019 Nats.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: You've got an elite starting arsenal that can carry you
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: on the mound.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: However, two of.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Those 16 comebacks happened in the last three years. The
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Diamondbacks did it to the Phillies in a National League
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Championship Series in 2023. Of course, the D-backs making it
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: to the World Series and eventually losing to the Texas Rangers.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: And then in 2025, the Blue Jays did it to
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: the Mariners, making Seattle still the only team to never
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: even appear in a World Series right now.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: In Major League Baseball. That drought continued this year.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: By the way, Seattle, they've been linked to Joe Espada
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: as a potential new manager. The Astros have a lot
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: of decisions to make coming up in the offseason, and
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: we'll see if that marriage ends up coming to fruition.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Before we get to break, I want you to hear
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: from Jake Bowers, who came up with that clutch at
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: bat lasting more than seven minutes, fouling off a half
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: dozen two-strike pitches before eventually losing working a walk, setting
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: up Christian Yelich to give the Brewers the lead and
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: driving up the pitch count of Dodgers ace Yoshinobu Yamamoto
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: in last night's game. Here was Bowers on his seven
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: minute AB.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: It was fun. It was a blast. Honestly, it was
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: a blast.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 16: Um, anytime you can get that, that locked in doing anything, um, it's,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 16: it's to me, one of the most enjoyable experiences I
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  Speaker 16: think a human being can have.
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  Speaker 11: So, um, Grateful for the opportunities always. And then, you know, just, yeah,
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  Speaker 11: as that was going on, I was just enjoying it.
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  Speaker 11: I was honestly just having a blast.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could see it up there for the Brewers.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: You could see it among his teammates. The Dodgers trailed
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: the Brewers two games to nothing, but I should mention...
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: They're one of those 16 teams who have come back
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  Speaker 1: and won from two games down.
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  Speaker 4: Matter of fact, they've done it a few times.
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  Speaker 1: Craig will remember the 65 and the 81 World Series
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  Speaker 1: where the Dodgers came back from two games behind to win.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: They also did it in the NLCS in 2020. Yeah,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: those games happened in Texas, but still they came back
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: and beat the Braves in the NLCS to punch their ticket.
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  Speaker 1: More football talk coming up in hour number three of
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  Speaker 1: the Craig Way Show on 1300 The Zone. Third and
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: final hour, Tuesday afternoon. Bottom of the hour, CJ Vogel
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: joins us to talk Longhorn football.
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  Speaker 4: For now.
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  Speaker 1: We'll hear from Longhorn players. We'll hear from Longhorn women's
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: basketball head coach, Vic Schaefer. And hopefully we'll hear from
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: you on the text line at 81530. Text the word Texas,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: followed by your question or comment. You can also leave
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: us a talkback message on the iHeartRadio app. My name
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: is Jay Kerbin, the producer of The Craig Way Show,
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  Speaker 1: in for Craig, who will be back tomorrow attending to
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: some personal business.
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  Speaker 4: Here on this Tuesday afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked plenty of football, both the pro and college variety,
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  Speaker 1: but just around the corner, guys, before we know it,
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  Speaker 1: basketball season will be here. High expectations for both the
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Longhorn men and the women who were both picked to
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: finish second in the SEC. Sean Miller's team picked to
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: finish one behind Florida. Vic Schaefer's team picked to finish
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: one spot behind South Carolina. Of course, they are coming
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: off an SEC championship winning season. They're coming off a
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Final Four season for a second consecutive year. And they
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: had a chance to practice in front of the media yesterday.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Vic Schaefer had the chance to talk with the media
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: about his team. And here's the way that press conference started.
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  Speaker 17: I believe we've had 12 practices. And this will be
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 17: a real good week for us. Busy week. We've got
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 17: SEC media days on Wednesdays. we'll leave Sunday to head
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 17: up to Connecticut to play an exhibition game on Monday night.
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  Speaker 17: I believe they're playing Syracuse either tonight or tomorrow in
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 17: an exhibition, so they'll have a little bit under their
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 17: belt against us, but I'm excited to prepare this week.
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  Speaker 17: I don't get too caught up in these exhibitions right
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  Speaker 17: now as much as I'm just interested in the process,
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  Speaker 17: and the process for us is each and every day
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  Speaker 17: trying to get 1% better, so.
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  Speaker 17: Love my team, love these kids. They've worked really hard
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 17: and they're working every day. So excited about our season tickets.
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  Speaker 17: We're now sold out. So proud of my fan base.
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  Speaker 17: That was part of the dream coming here. Part of
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 17: the expectation, part of the plan was to increase our
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 17: season ticket sales and really just increase our Our fan
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 17: base and night in, night out attendance. So I think
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  Speaker 17: we've certainly made strides in that. You have to give
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  Speaker 17: our kids a ton of credit. They're fun to watch.
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  Speaker 17: They're great kids. They have tremendous personalities. They play the
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 17: game the right way. They honor the game. They respect
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 17: the game. And they play really hard. So they're fun
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 17: to watch. And I think that's what happens when you
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 17: have kids like that and you play the way we play.
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  Speaker 17: You know, people enjoy coming and watching them play. You know,
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  Speaker 17: we respect that everybody works really hard and earns their money. And,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 17: you know, when you come spend your money on a
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 17: ticket to our games, we certainly want to give you
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 17: your money's worth. And I think our kids have really
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  Speaker 17: done that, and for that I'm extremely proud of them.
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  Speaker 7: So we just keep working.
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  Speaker 17: Again, just trying to embrace the process right now, not
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  Speaker 17: getting too far ahead of ourselves. We're a different team,
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  Speaker 17: no question about it. We've lost, obviously, Rory Harmon. When
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 17: you walk in the gym five straight years and she's
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 17: not there, all of a sudden, like it was this summer,
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  Speaker 17: it's different. And, um, but we've, uh, I really have
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  Speaker 17: a lot of confidence in the kids that we have
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  Speaker 17: coming back. I love, um, you know, our, our returners
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 17: that I think are either starters or have played a
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  Speaker 17: lot of meaningful minutes for us. Um, Preston Cunningham and Booker,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 17: those three that have really played some big minutes for us.
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  Speaker 7: So, uh, I love their leadership.
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  Speaker 17: I love their, uh, you know, who they are and
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  Speaker 17: how they play the game and, and, um, they've been
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  Speaker 17: able to really show the rest of our kids what
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  Speaker 17: it looks like every day to, to work and, uh,
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  Speaker 17: to put the time in. So, um, that's a good
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  Speaker 17: place to start. Obviously we have Sarah back, Grace back
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  Speaker 17: and Lovisa back. Sarah's her normal, typical vocal self each
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  Speaker 17: and every day in practice. Um, you know, uh, she
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  Speaker 17: has a, uh, obviously has a value and a certain
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 17: presence in our, locker room, on the practice floor, everywhere
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  Speaker 17: in our program. So we're equally as grateful to her
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  Speaker 17: and Grace and LaVisa. So this is day 12, day
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  Speaker 17: 13 of practice.
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  Speaker 7: And call me at 5. I'll tell you how we're doing.
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  Speaker 1: And they're only 12 days away from that scrimmage with UCLA.
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  Speaker 1: that I mentioned earlier, you'll be able to hear that
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: game here on our I heart family of stations, more
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: information on that coming up. But first we'll let you
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: listen into Craig's question, which started off this exchange with
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  Speaker 1: Vic Schaefer, um, talking about the exhibition with UCLA coming up,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: obviously a high caliber program and, um, what Vic Schaefer
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: is looking for out of these early season tests and
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: these NIL opportunities.
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  Speaker 9: And given, uh, the understanding that, uh, it's more about
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  Speaker 9: the process than just the, uh, the exhibition games, normally
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 9: it's a Division II like Eastern New Mexico or something
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  Speaker 9: like that. Given that it's high-level exhibitions at UConn and
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 9: UCLA up in Cedar Park, does that alter or at
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 9: least broaden your view of the process when you're going
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  Speaker 9: up against high-caliber opposition like that for an exhibition?
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  Speaker 17: Well, you know, for our five freshmen, and then you
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 17: can throw in Jada Clark, those kids, because of our schedule.
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  Speaker 7: You know, our schedule's pretty meaty. It's pretty tough.
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  Speaker 17: A lot of people on that schedule, especially early, you
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 17: might as well play a couple of them early to
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 17: kind of get your feet wet. And so with those lofty,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 17: you know, with the goals that we have and those teams,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 17: those heavy hitters early, I think it's imperative that we
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 17: kind of, you know, go through the experience, whatever it's
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 17: going to be. you know, next Monday and then the
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  Speaker 17: following Sunday that we go through it and we learn
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 17: from it, good, bad, or indifferent, that we learn from
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  Speaker 17: it and we're able to make some adjustments fairly early.
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  Speaker 17: And so I want, you know, you can talk about
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 17: it all you want, y'all, but until you walk it,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 17: until you live it, and, you know, these kids, these
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  Speaker 17: five freshmen, Jada Clark, they're all really talented.
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  Speaker 7: They're going to play. So... That being said, they need
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  Speaker 7: to know what reality is.
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  Speaker 17: You know, I think they look around and I try
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  Speaker 17: to remind them every day of what reality.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 7: Is here at the University of Texas. And it's different.
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  Speaker 17: And so when you live it here, when you go
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  Speaker 17: through it, you know, my team will tell you, I
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 17: don't need to lose to get my attention. So they
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 17: get my attention every day. And I think that's what Good, bad,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 17: or indifferent, that's what makes me who I am. And
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 17: so with that being said, y'all have heard me talk
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 17: about coaching against the ghost, worrying about what might happen,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 17: could happen, because inevitably it's going to happen.
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  Speaker 7: One thing's guaranteed in life is adversity.
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  Speaker 5: It's going to happen.
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  Speaker 17: And it's how you respond that defines you. It's not
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 17: the adversity itself. You know, my family's going through a
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 17: little adversity right now. My mother-in-law's, you know, Holly's really
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 17: going through a tough time right now. And, you know,
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  Speaker 17: it's just our destiny as children. I mean, it's just,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 17: as my mother said, it's the way it's supposed to be.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 17: It's supposed to be that way versus the other way around,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 17: you know, with them dealing with us. And so, again,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 17: when adversity comes, you know, how do you handle it?
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  Speaker 17: And so by playing these teams early, I think we'll,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 17: We'll probably have a little adversity in-game, post-game, whatever it.
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  Speaker 7: Is, and it's how you come through it.
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  Speaker 17: And, you know, last year I think back to that,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 17: to our games out in Vegas in that event. You know,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 17: we had some adversity. We had a big lead in
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 17: the first game. They made a run in the second half.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 17: We withstood it. Second game, we were down eight with
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 17: a little over a minute to go in the third quarter,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 17: and then we came back. And so I think that
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 17: really helped that team and showed them a little metal,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 17: showed them a little about themselves, and we were able
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  Speaker 17: to carry that through the year.
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  Speaker 7: So, yeah, I think these games.
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  Speaker 17: Carry a lot of meaning, but it's not about winning
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  Speaker 17: and losing.
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  Speaker 7: It's about growth and development.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, some really interesting insight there into the mindset of
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Vic Schaefer, how he's approaching these high level scrimmages that
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: are on the Longhorns plate coming up to start this
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: 2026-27 season. We'll talk much more throughout the week about
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: Longhorn women's basketball. We'll hear more from Vic Schaefer coming
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: up as we get closer and closer to those scrimmages.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: We do need to sneak a break in and then
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: coming up, We'll hear from Trevor Goosby and Justin Cryer,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: some of their reactions to the Red River loss. It's
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: all leading into our conversation at the bottom of the
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: hour with C.J. Vogel from On Texas Football as we
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: continue to sort through things for this Longhorn football program
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: as they turn the page from OU to Florida. You're
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: listening to AM 1300 The Zone, where you're always available
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: to listen to us for free on the iHeartRadio app.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: But a lot that Longhorn fans are probably feeling this
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: sentiment about as we bump back with George Strait, as always,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: in the 4 o'clock hour on a texted Tuesday edition
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: of the program. This is another one of the inconceivable
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: 50 number ones. in the King George Straits catalog. There
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: were some reactions to share from Longhorn players, certainly after
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: the loss to Oklahoma at the state fair on Saturday.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: One of those players who was discussing things was Justin Cryer.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: He was talking about the Red River rivalry experience. He
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: was asked where it ranks and how it stacked up
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: in his college football career and compared to what he
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: thought it would be. despite obviously the result not going
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: the Longhorns way.
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  Speaker 4: Here's Cryer.
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  Speaker 19: Probably one of the, my college career is all said
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 19: and done, probably one of my favorite memories that I'll
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 19: take away from it. We lose sight a lot in
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 19: this day and age of college football where with NIL
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 19: and the transfer portal and all this other stuff, conference realignment,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 19: things like this matters, right? It's the rivalries and the
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 19: tradition that makes this game so special. And, like, being
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 19: a part of this and growing up in this state
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 19: and being able to represent this logo, like, that means
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 19: the world to me, right? And that means more to
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 19: me than any, like, opportunity in a trans reporter that
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 19: can offer me, right? Because at the end of the day, like,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 19: you don't get these opportunities and these experiences, like, all
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 19: the time. So wearing this brown and orange and representing
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 19: this university has been a privilege and being able to
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 19: just be out there for that. It's been something that
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 19: has been one of the great joys of my life.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 19: And I definitely don't take that for granted. And I'm
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 19: just proud to say that I was out there.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Interesting perspective that you don't always hear from a player
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: after losing in what is the most important game of
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: the season for several Longhorns and several fans. And look,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: maybe some of that comes with being new to the
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Texas program, being a more experienced college football player to
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: be able to bring that perspective in. But interesting hearing
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: that from Justin Cryer and a thoughtful answer. to what
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: I thought was an interesting question. With that said, though,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: is it still difficult to turn the page?
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 19: I hate to say it, but I have a lot
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 19: of experiences with having to move on after losing games.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: That's just how it is.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 19: It's pretty funny, but it is what it is.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 7: I get it.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: I get it.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 19: I've taken my fair share of lumps of cards, and
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 19: I have not always handled losing so well. I'm older now,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 19: and You've got to be able to turn the page.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 19: You don't get to achieve what you want to achieve
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 19: out of any given year when you get stuck on
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 19: one thing. Talking to Conor with C-Rob, the last thing
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 19: he told me before we left the field was that
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 19: the last time he lost his game, they made it
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 19: to the semifinals.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: Correct me.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 19: If I'm wrong, we played 12 games, guaranteed. I don't
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 19: think that because one game didn't go our way that
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 19: we should cancel the rest of the season and just
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 19: fun in there for the rest of the year.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: Everything we want is still right in front of us.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 19: It's football at the end of the day. We still
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 19: got to go out there and have fun. I'm not
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 19: going to let one result sway me and my mindset
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 19: from going out there and just playing the game I love.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: It's pretty experienced, pretty level-headed mindset the Monday after from
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Justin Juice-Crier, important interior linebacker for this Longhorn team who
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: will be hoping for a better performance in the Longhorns
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: next outing against Florida he mentioned turning the page and
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: how difficult that might be he's got experience from his
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: time at Florida State facing Jaden Ball and so here's
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: what he had to say about going up against him
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: in the Gator rushing attack which has obviously been remade
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: this year with Buster Faulkner and John Sumrall at the
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: helm yeah if.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 19: You watched that game he gave us a lot of
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 19: problems but I remember going into the game he was
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 19: he had he needed a certain number to get to
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 19: a thousand and at that point he uh it was
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 19: like the first a thousand yard runner that they had
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 19: and a long time, and they went out there to
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 19: go get it. So I think he's a very good player.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 19: I think he's probably one of the best in the country. So, again, defensively, man,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 19: we've got to stop the run. Every week, we've got
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 19: to stop the run. I think Coach Faulkner is a
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 19: very good play caller. I got to play against him
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 19: in Ireland, and he brought Singleton over, brought a lot
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 19: of his guys over. I think they do a lot
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 19: of things that are like the motion and shifts can
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 19: make playing defense difficult, especially for a younger guy or
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 19: someone who has the eyes in the wrong place. So
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 19: being someone who's older and being a linebacker, you've got
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 19: to make sure your eyes are in the right spot
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 19: because they do a lot of just stuff to try
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 19: and get you off your game. And that's how he
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 19: gets those open holes from the run through, right? So
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 19: you want to just make sure that– the boxes accounted
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 19: for and make sure everyone has eyes on the right people. And, uh,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 19: you know, I'm gonna try and get them out of that. Um,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 19: just the constantly running to try and just break it
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 19: up there. They're sequencing a little bit.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: It's a big deal against Florida that I discipline against
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: that really solid rushing attack. That's Justin Cryer giving you
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: some of his detailed thoughts. He's faced Buster Faulkner back
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: when he was the OC at Georgia tech, when they
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: took on Florida state in Ireland a couple of years ago,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: when Haynes King and Georgia tech beat Florida state. So, um,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: Some good perspective there and good questions there by the
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: reporters to Justin Cryer. Trevor Goosby, Longhorn's left tackle, talking
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: about the loss and first was asked about Arch Manning,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: how he took the loss.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 12: I don't think it was any different than anybody else's.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, we're all down. Obviously, we don't want to
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 12: lose that game. And, you know, everybody's been, you know,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 12: it's been heavy on us. But now we just got
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 12: to move on and focus on Florida.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: You heard Justin Cryer, you referred to him as C-Rob,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: Connor Robertson, talk about the 2023 Red River loss that
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: the Longhorns went on to respond pretty well from, winning
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: the Big 12 championship, not dropping another game until that
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: semifinal heartbreaker against Washington that year.
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  Speaker 4: So what were the lessons.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: And the responses from that 2023 loss like for Trevor Goosby,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: who was a young player at the time?
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 12: Jake Majors did a great job. Also, Baron Sorrell, those
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 12: kind of guys. They're always just saying, kind of what
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 12: we're saying now is how are we going to respond?
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 12: Are we going to tuck our tail? Are we going
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 12: to learn from this and be better because of it?
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 12: That's kind of what all the leaders have been telling
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 12: the guys and making sure that we're keeping our energy
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 12: up and not letting it get down on us.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: Hearing from Trevor Goosby this hour, he was a young player,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: like I mentioned, during that 2023 Red River loss, the
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: last time Texas has lost, coincidentally, the last Three Red
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: River losses have come on the final play, sort of
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: adding to that Longhorn heartbreak. How did those conversations with
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: the older guys like Sorrell and Majors resonate with Goosby
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: back when he was a younger player in that game
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: three years ago?
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 12: It resonated a lot because, you know, just you can't
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 12: let one team beat you in two weeks. You know,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 12: you can't let the Oklahoma loss linger into Florida, and
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 12: then it just keeps going.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: On and on.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 12: You know, we just got to be able to learn
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 12: from it and grow from it, so.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: And as for Trevor Goosby and his advice to younger
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: players on what lies ahead.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: Keep our heads up. You know, obviously one loss doesn't
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: define us.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 12: And just making sure that we're, you know, moving on
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 12: to the next thing and make sure that we're focusing
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 12: on the little things because ultimately in this league, the
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 12: little things is what's going to push guys over the
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 12: top of or push teams over the top of other teams.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: Finally, what does he feel is missing, if anything, from
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: this Texas offense, which has been inconsistent over the last
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: few weeks?
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 12: It's little things on all ends. You know, Coach Sark
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 12: always says it takes all 11 to run the football. And,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 12: you know, sometimes the O-line, you know, and just kind
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 12: of we're always just one man away, I feel like.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 12: You know, just making sure that we're all doing our
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 12: job every single play. I think that's kind of what's
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 12: holding us back at the moment.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: That's Trevor Goosby giving some of his thoughts on the
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: Longhorns' loss in the Red River rivalry. We'll hear more
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: Longhorn players sound a little later on in the week.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: And we'll also bring you more from Steve Sarkeesian as
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: Texas gets ready to turn the page to take on
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: the Florida Gators. We'll touch on that. We'll also have
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: some Arch Manning conversations coming up in the next segment. C.J.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Vogel from On Texas Football will join us here on
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: the program. You're listening on Sports Radio AM 1300 The
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: Zone and the iHeartRadio app.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: Jay Kerman in for Craig Way.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: Back.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: In a few minutes.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: So joining us now to discuss this matchup, the college
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: football insider covers the Longhorns as well as recruiting over
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: on On Texas Football, CJ Vogel.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: Hey, welcome to the show.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: We got a lot to discuss talking about this Red
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: River game. Appreciate the time.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, Jake. Appreciate you having me.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: Well, look, you've pointed out all week long in your
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: coverage the way this Texas offense, CJ, has unfortunately taken
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: a step backwards over the last few weeks and really
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: this season relative to where they were Going back to
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: 2025 and especially back to the way they played offense
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: in 2024, Sark's been asked this, but from what you
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: can see, where would you boil down what's missing right
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: now for the Longhorns on that side of the ball?
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 18: You know, I wish I knew, and I think Sark
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 18: laid it out pretty well. after the Tennessee game. He said, look,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 18: it's not just one issue, right? I can't just point
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 18: to the right or left guard. I can't just point
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 18: to the quarterback, right? The running backs, you know, sometimes
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 18: they hit their holes. Sometimes they don't, right? Sometimes there's
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 18: a dropped pass. Sometimes they catch it. And he goes,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 18: you know, oftentimes it's kind of just a mixture. And
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 18: I felt like that Oklahoma game for all, A large
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 18: portion of it was a mixture of your offensive line
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 18: not getting a push, your quarterback not making the read,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 18: your quarterback holding onto the football too long, your running
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 18: backs maybe not hitting the hole where it needed to go.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 18: It was a mixture of just about everything. And that's
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 18: where the frustration is because, you know, on the surface,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 18: on paper, very talented football team.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: I don't think anybody in America would dispute that.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 18: But playing together, playing cohesively, and making sure that you
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 18: are taking advantage of opportunities when presented, that's something that
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 18: I think is still a pretty sizable work in progress
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 18: going into the sixth game of the season.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're going to say, like I talked about
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: earlier with Shahan Jaya Raja from CBS Sports, If you're
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: going to say there's a gap right now between Texas
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: and then the top teams in the SEC, Georgia and Alabama,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: I think it boils down to exactly what you talked about.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: I also think about those two teams specifically, and I
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: see a clear identity on offense, even though they dragged
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: each other into a defensive scrap in Tuscaloosa on Saturday night.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: This might be a casual take coming from me, but
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: it feels as though this Texas offense lacks an identity
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: I don't think it has one, and I don't think
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: it had one a year ago.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 18: In fact, the identity that it had a year ago was,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 18: this is towards the back end of the season as well,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 18: Arch Manning would bail you out of sticky situations, right?
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: That was your identity, was the quarterback playing hero ball.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 18: Well, when the hero isn't always there to clean up
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 18: the mess or to save the day, well, now you're
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 18: really looking at it in a sense that you don't
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 18: have something to fall back on, right? Arch Manning was
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 18: the guy that dug you out of issues all season
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 18: long in 2025.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: He's not running the football the way that he did
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: a year ago, right?
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 18: He's not necessarily finding and reading the field the way
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 18: that at times he did in 2025.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: Where do you go from here, right?
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 18: I still think that the raw talent for Arch Manning
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 18: is up there with just about any other quarterback in
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 18: the entire country. But having him play on schedule, having
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 18: him read the football, having him progress defensively, from his
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 18: number one to number two to his check down consistently,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 18: it's been mucky, right?
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: It's not been pretty.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 18: And as a result, if you don't have that hero
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 18: and you don't have that identity, where do you fall
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 18: on if everything else is kind of a mumbled mess?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: CJ Vogel from On Texas Football joins us. I thought
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: you had a good question for Sark yesterday about whether
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: or not arch is seeing enough and adjusting enough the
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: way sark would like him to kind of at the
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: line of scrimmage he's faced some pretty good play callers
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: so far no doubt and i've talked about the way
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: they've disguised things that can make life difficult for any
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: quarterback but this is year two as the starter now
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: for arch manning do you still feel like there's a
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: step that needs to be taken in that part of
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: his game i think you were just hinting at your answer.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 18: Yeah 100 well first and foremost let's lay it out
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 18: right brent venables matt patricia Jim Knowles, I don't think
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 18: you'll find three more proven consistent defensive play callers in
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 18: the entire country, right? That's what Texas has had to
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 18: play through their first five games. Obviously, that has aided
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 18: a lot of the frustrations when it comes to why
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 18: this offense hasn't clicked.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, those are phenomenal defensive coordinators, right?
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 18: They get it. They figure it out. But you're expected
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 18: to have a offense that can compete with the best
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 18: of the best, right? And they were able to against
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 18: Ohio State in that fourth quarter. But the consistency, again,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 18: not where it needs to be. But to your point, right,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 18: I think your quarterback in year four of the system,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 18: disregard of what year starter he is, year four in
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 18: the system should be able to identify checks and audibles
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 18: and go up to the line of scrimmage and say.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: Hold on, what we're about to call or what we
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 5: have called.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 18: And we're about to run against this look and against
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 18: this front and against whatever is in front of me,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 18: it doesn't make sense, right? And specifically, I look at
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 18: the second and four right before, it was the second
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 18: to last drive Texas had in the ballgame against Oklahoma.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 18: Second and four coming off of a six-yard QB scrimmage.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 5: A QB designed run out of empty.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 18: You're sitting there with Raleigh Brown next to you and
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 18: seven Oklahoma defenders in the box with an eighth, about
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 18: six yards out, right? That's eight guys at the pre-snap
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 18: that are in the box, no further away from five,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 18: five yards from the snap.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: And what do you do?
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 18: You, you try to run off tackle, you lose five yards.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 18: So instead of second and four, or, you know, you
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 18: throw an incomplete pass or you audible out of it,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 18: You're now in third and nine. Texas gained seven on
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 18: a slant to Emmitt Mosley on third down, but now
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 18: you're fourth and two. You go to the two-minute timeout.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 18: You deliberate a little bit. Kicker comes out, misses. Obviously,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 18: the game goes the way that it does, but that
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 18: instance in particular, that's why I sit here and I say,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 18: you know, Quinn Ewers located that immediately against Arizona State.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 18: Checked protection, made sure Matthew Golden knew where to go,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 18: and on fourth and 13, delivered the ball that saved
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 18: the season a couple of years ago.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 5: I don't see that right now with Arch Manning. And
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: that's a concern in year four.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: I love that breakdown because it's so easy to make
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: fourth and two the story. And I was going to
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: ask you about that as a kind of a defining
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: moment of the game. On one hand, I think Steve
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: Sarkeesian is right. If you make that kick, you probably
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: win the game, giving Oklahoma the football on its own
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: 25 or so with a three point lead.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: Does that make it the right decision?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: I think you can debate back and forth, but it's
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: the things leading up to it that are just as
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: important that don't get talked about. So I'm really glad
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: you pointed that out. And I'm curious your thoughts on
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: that fourth and two decision.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, look, um, you know, for Sark, that's a tough
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: spot to be in.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 18: You know, you take the points, you have the opportunity
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 18: to take the lead with two minutes left. You kick it,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 18: you make the field goal, you're a hero, you made
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 18: the right decision. If you don't, you're a villain because
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 18: you didn't, right? That's the tough spot. My frustrations, and
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 18: this is where I kind of, you know, didn't see
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 18: it all the way through with Sark, is fourth and
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 18: six and fourth and nine in your own tear against
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 18: Ohio State, you had no issue. And you convert it
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 18: and it looked great. You come out in the press conference.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 18: You say, yeah, that's why I was hired to be here.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 18: Winners win. We go for it there. That's loser talk
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 18: if you don't.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: And it's like, well.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 18: You had an opportunity there to play for the very
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 18: last possession on that fourth and two.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 5: And guess what?
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 18: Even if you don't get it, it's about seven or
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 18: eight yards back up the field than where Ohio State
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 18: would have had the football had you missed the 53-yard
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 18: field goal in which you did. So that's my frustration there. Again,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 18: if he makes the kick, who knows, right? But playing
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 18: for that final possession, playing for the absolute final drive,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 18: is something that I thought would have been the call,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 18: given where we were coming out of the Ohio State
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 18: game and kind of the brass that we saw from Sarkevin.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: That's where I kind of landed on it as well,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: but I was curious your thoughts there. CJ Vogel from
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: On Texas Football joining us, playing Tuesday afternoon quarterback a
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: little bit here on the Longhorns-Red River rivalry loss. One
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: thing that you pointed out over on On Texas Football
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: was the 10 personnel. where Texas has been able to
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: generate the types of explosive plays that I think they've
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: been starving for otherwise. Obviously put the pick six and
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: put it in a separate bin over here as Arch
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: Manning missed Coleman, wound up throwing a very costly mistake
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: in that moment. Is this one of those things where
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: Texas is having success with the 10 personnel because of
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: how scarcely they're using it? Or could it be something
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: as simple as wanting to use a little bit more?
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: I'd like to see it more.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 18: And look, they've had 15 snaps and 10 personnel over
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 18: the last two games, Tennessee and Oklahoma.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: Averaging 9.93 yards per play.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 18: That's the most explosive personnel package that Texas has in
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 18: those two games. You obviously cannot run 10 personnel, 60,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 18: 70% of your snaps. You just can't do it. This
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 18: isn't Madden. You're not playing NCAA, right? You can't just
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 18: air the football out. I understand that. But right now
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 18: it Again, seven and a half snaps per game. There
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 18: is a larger window and opportunity for this personnel package
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 18: to get on the field. And more importantly, it's to
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 18: get Jermaine Bishop on the field, right? That catch and
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 18: 15-yard kind of just turn up the field. No one
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 18: else on this field, on this Texas team, has that
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 18: quickness with the ball in his hands.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 14: And now.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 18: What do you do? Well, I look right now at
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 18: a struggling running game. How do I get a lighter box? Well,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 18: I spread the football field. If I'm having a struggling
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 18: quarterback that doesn't progress and read the field all that well,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 18: what do I do? I try to find areas in
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 18: which there's a lot of space for white shirts to
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 18: be open. Go back and look at 10 personnel. Where
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 18: were the two touchdowns that arched through out of 10 personnel?
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 18: Ryan Wingo over the middle of the field, Jermaine Bishop
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 18: coming over the middle of the field, wide open, a
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 18: lot of space, could not miss them. made things very easy.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 18: And I think 10 personnel just generates that space in
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 18: the back end, especially or even when teams drop seven
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 18: or eight in coverage.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: And against the defense that coming in just didn't give
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: many of those up, really didn't give any of those
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: up all season coming into this particular matchup.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: So I thought that was noteworthy.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: While we have a couple minutes, Texas takes on Florida
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: at DKR Saturday morning. You can hear it right here
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: on AM 1300 The Zone as well as 98.1 FM KVET.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: What particular matchup, whether it's a specific player or a
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: specific group, has your attention here on Tuesday?
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 18: Yeah, look, Florida, what an interesting run that they've had
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 18: so far this year, right?
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 5: You know, they stomp Ole Miss.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 18: Myself, including a number of national guys, sat there and said, hey,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 18: Florida looks like they could be a top five team.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 18: They look like this is the best offense in America.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 18: Missouri shut them down, and then you go watch them
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 18: against South Carolina, and hey, it wasn't much prettier. So
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 18: where do I look with Florida? Well, obviously, Jaden Ball
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 18: gets all the praise. Jaden Ball, that running game, is
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 18: something that you look at and say, well, if you
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 18: take it away, can Aaron Filo beat you? And I
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 18: thought that's something that Oklahoma did very well against Texas.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 18: We're going to drop seven and eight in coverage at
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  Speaker 18: times because we don't trust that one. You're going to
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  Speaker 18: stop there, that you're going to stick with the run
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  Speaker 18: to beat us via the ground. Texas has to take
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  Speaker 18: away the run. I know it's a, it's cliche, but
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  Speaker 18: Andrew Ford, that interior hero con new, if you're able
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  Speaker 18: to clog lanes and force things East and West to
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  Speaker 18: allow a Raheem Biles and Justin Cryer and Grayson Littleton,
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  Speaker 18: Jelani McDonald, and all these guys to come screaming downhill.
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  Speaker 5: I like Texas's chances on that side.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's always a key when you're facing, I think,
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  Speaker 1: a Buster Faulkner offense. How many bodies do you have
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  Speaker 1: to devote to stop the run? How much can you
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  Speaker 1: force the quarterback to beat you? I'm going to be
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  Speaker 1: curious to see how that all kind of pans out. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: quick picks because we've got a loaded slate this week.
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  Speaker 1: Indiana or Ohio State?
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  Speaker 5: Ohio State.
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  Speaker 18: Look, Indiana hasn't looked like the national champions this year.
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  Speaker 18: They've been struggling.
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  Speaker 4: Notre Dame goes to Provo, plays BYU.
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  Speaker 5: Notre Dame. I trust the quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Uh-oh, we're agreeing way too much here. Missouri Ole Miss,
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  Speaker 1: is that going to draw a disagreement? Austin Simmons against
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  Speaker 1: his old team, but not his old coach?
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  Speaker 18: Yeah, I like that. I actually like Missouri this year.
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  Speaker 18: I think the quarterback does just enough, but that running game,
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  Speaker 18: I think Drinkowitz is a better coach than Pete Golden.
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  Speaker 18: I think his team is more disciplined on both sides
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  Speaker 18: of the football than Ole Miss right now.
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  Speaker 1: That could be a tough spot for Texas if they
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  Speaker 1: see Ole Miss coming in here after a loss. That's certainly...
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  Speaker 1: a big matchup. CJ, thanks as always for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: You can follow CJ at CJ Vogel underscore OTF on X.
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  Speaker 1: You can follow his coverage all season long when it
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: comes to Texas football.
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  Speaker 4: Appreciate the time.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, Jake. Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 4: No problem.
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  Speaker 1: That's CJ Vogel talking Longhorn football. We'll wrap things up
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  Speaker 1: with a couple more college football notes when we get
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  Speaker 1: to our final break of the show. This is Sports
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  Speaker 4: Closing out the show with a couple of thoughts. First,
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  Speaker 4: on a soundbite you heard.
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  Speaker 1: Yesterday in Steve Sarkeesian's weekly news conference, he mentioned some
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  Speaker 1: of the expectations that come with.
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  Speaker 4: Arch Manning because of his last name.
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  Speaker 1: And look, this is something that's been talked about ad
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  Speaker 1: nauseum throughout Arch's time here at Texas. He said if
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  Speaker 1: Arch Manning's last name was, say, Joe Smith, he'd be
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  Speaker 1: talked about differently because not in the way other people
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  Speaker 1: think about it, to where you think about someone having
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  Speaker 1: the last name Manning, Think about a guy getting extra grace,
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  Speaker 1: extra privilege. Sark says that it's, it's kind of an
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  Speaker 1: issue for him because he has all this undue expectation, uh,
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  Speaker 1: this extra hype placed on him, uh, by folks in
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  Speaker 1: the media. Um, Andy Staples, whose show I really enjoy, um,
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  Speaker 1: over at On3 as part of the College Football Inquirer
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  Speaker 1: podcast with Yahoo Sports.
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  Speaker 4: He put out a tweet.
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  Speaker 1: He said, if Archie Manning's name really was Joe Smith,
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  Speaker 1: Sark would be trying KJ Lacey or Dia Bell.
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  Speaker 4: Number one, it's not true.
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  Speaker 1: Arch Manning hasn't played at anything close to a benchable level.
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  Speaker 1: As we've mentioned on the program several times, he's won
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  Speaker 1: 11 of 12 starts going into that Red River game,
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  Speaker 1: four of which came over teams that were top 10
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  Speaker 1: ranked at the time. No other quarterback in college football
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: has done that. And no other quarterback in college football
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  Speaker 1: would do that and have people talking about they should
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: be benched. So not only is that an incorrect take,
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  Speaker 1: but it's one that proves Sark's point correct, which I
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: know people don't think of it that way when Arch
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  Speaker 1: Manning's name is brought up and, oh, he gets this
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  Speaker 1: and that extra because of his last name. But by
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: putting out statements like that, Andy Staples, I love you,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: but that exactly proves Steve Sarkeesian's point. So we'll hear
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: more about maybe that and Arch Banning discourse tomorrow. We're
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  Speaker 1: also going to hear a lot more about the Florida
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: Gators tomorrow. When Craig Way comes back to the program,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: he will talk to Florida Gators play-by-play voice Sean Kelly.
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  Speaker 1: on tomorrow's show and we'll continue to bring you a
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: preview of all things Gator football we'll talk to Greg
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  Speaker 1: Tepper as well for a high school football catch-up thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much to the guests who joined the program
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  Speaker 1: today Shahan Jaya Raja from CBS Sports Jory Epstein senior
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: NFL writer with Yahoo Sports and CJ Vogel, an insider
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: over at On Texas Football. If you missed any of
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: those conversations, go to wherever you get your podcasts, search
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: The Craig Way Show.
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  Speaker 4: You can relive it all. I'm Jay Kerman.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining me on this Tuesday afternoon,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: filling in for Craig Way.
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  Speaker 4: Bucky and BK are up next here on The Zone.