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Listentowomen? Which ones? | HBR Talk 319 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to Technical Difficulties with the Badgers and HBr
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  Speaker 1: Talk three hundred and nineteen hashtag listen to women, which
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  Speaker 1: ones I am your host, Hannah Wallen here with the
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  Speaker 1: personification of perceptivity Mike Stevenson and nonsense annihilator Lauren Brooks.
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  Speaker 1: And feminists, we're still in your declarations, touching your rage
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  Speaker 1: and resentments and equality not detected. So we have gone
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  Speaker 1: through the declaration of sentiments and there was no true
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  Speaker 1: feminism found. So I don't know. I guess, I guess
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  Speaker 1: you can't call the Suffragettes the first feminists anymore because
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  Speaker 1: according to true feminists who say that true feminism is
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  Speaker 1: about equality, the Suffragettes weren't feminists. But well, we'll continue
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  Speaker 1: reading about them and their work and their fight with
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  Speaker 1: the evil patriarchal women who didn't want to vote. So
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  Speaker 1: about that time the women had to fight to convince
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  Speaker 1: the badgers. With that, though, let's get into our our
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  Speaker 1: fight between women, our chick fight from the early twentieth century.
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  Speaker 1: Last week, we were looking at the petition on this
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  Speaker 1: page here and I was having a terrible time reading
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  Speaker 1: it because the print is poor, it's not well focused,
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  Speaker 1: the image size is bad. So I looked it up
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  Speaker 1: somewhere else and we have a better copyright here. So
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  Speaker 1: here is what the first petition against against by the way,
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  Speaker 1: not for against women's suffrage, says I'm gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: scroll back and forth because this doesn't seem to be
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  Speaker 1: getting any bigger. So this is from the Women Voters
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  Speaker 1: Anti Suffrage Party of New York to the United States Senate.
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  Speaker 1: It's an interesting name, the Women Voters Anti Suffrage Party
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  Speaker 1: of New York. And and a reminder, because we looked
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  Speaker 1: at this before, they vastly, vastly outnumbered the suffragettes. At
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  Speaker 1: this point there were hundreds of thousands of anti suffragettes
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  Speaker 1: and barely any suffragettes. So they said, whereas this country
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  Speaker 1: is now engaged in the greatest warren history. Whereas the
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  Speaker 1: advocates of the Federal Amendment, through urging it as a
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  Speaker 1: war measure, announce through their president miss Cat missus Cat,
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  Speaker 1: that its passage means a simultaneous campaign in forty eight states.
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  Speaker 1: It demands organization in every precinct, activity, agitation, education in
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  Speaker 1: every corner. Nothing less than this nationwide, vigilant, unceasing campaign
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  Speaker 1: will win ratification. Therefore, be it resolved that our country,
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  Speaker 1: in this hour of peril, should be spared the harassing
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  Speaker 1: of its public men and the distracting of its people
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  Speaker 1: from the work or from work for the war, and
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  Speaker 1: further resolved that the United States be respectfully urged to
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  Speaker 1: pass no measure involving such a radical change in our
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  Speaker 1: government while the attention of the patriotic portion of the
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  Speaker 1: American people is concentrated on the all important task of
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  Speaker 1: winning the war, and during the absence of over a
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  Speaker 1: million men abroad. So what they pointed out here is
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  Speaker 1: pretty significant in my opinion. Right, the the suffragettes were
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  Speaker 1: some sneaky bitches. What they basically did when they started
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  Speaker 1: their their campaign was try to sneak the idea through
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  Speaker 1: when most of the existing voters, right, most of the
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  Speaker 1: people who were going to be affected by this, because
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  Speaker 1: if you increase the number of voters, you decrease the
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  Speaker 1: weight of each vote. And I think, if you don't
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  Speaker 1: understand why, you're not good at math. But yeah, they
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  Speaker 1: tried to they tried to sneak it through. Well, most
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  Speaker 1: of them were gone or were a well large chunk
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  Speaker 1: of them, a very large chunk of them. We're gone,
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  Speaker 1: and many of them never came back. Right, Oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: you guys are gone. We're just gonna devalue your votes
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  Speaker 1: sneaky bitches. So this was and the suffragette anti suffragettes
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  Speaker 1: grew too. By the way, now, the suffragette movement did
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  Speaker 1: also grow, and I'll show that here in a minute.
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  Speaker 1: But the last thing we read the antize is they
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  Speaker 1: were called testified before legislatures, published articles and newsletters, held
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  Speaker 1: public meetings, and eventually debated the suffragists. In eighteen seventy,
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  Speaker 1: a group of distinguished women collected fifteen thousand signatures to
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  Speaker 1: urge Congress not to give women the vote. Fifteen thousand
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  Speaker 1: women signed a petition to not get voting rights back
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  Speaker 1: in the early twentieth century, back in nineteen fifteen. So well,
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  Speaker 1: all those women were saying that they spoke for all women.
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  Speaker 1: Fifteen thousand women said no, those were just the women
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  Speaker 1: who were activists before the issue got contentious by many
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  Speaker 1: other When have you ever known a woman to take
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  Speaker 1: no foreign answer, Hannah, even from another woman? No, they don't,
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  Speaker 1: do they? Oh my gosh. So many other petitions followed
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  Speaker 1: him by nineteen fifteen. Actually this was in eighteen seventy,
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  Speaker 1: so this was in the late nineteenth century that they
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  Speaker 1: sent the fifteen thousand signatures. So by nineteen fifteen, hundreds
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  Speaker 1: of thousands of women had joined the anti movement, so
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  Speaker 1: the number of organized suffrage suffragists grew over time, but
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  Speaker 1: just a few years after the original organization of the suffragists,
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  Speaker 1: they outnumbered the suffragists in just New York. The nationwide
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  Speaker 1: suffragist movement was thirteen thousand, the New York anti suffragist
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  Speaker 1: movement was twenty thousand, and that that doesn't count women
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  Speaker 1: all over the country. Right By nineteen oh five they
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  Speaker 1: had only grown to seventeen thousand suffragettes. By nineteen ten
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  Speaker 1: they had only grown to seventy five thousand. You had
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and five thousand, and nineteen twelve opposing them,
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  Speaker 1: there was double the number opposing them. A number of
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  Speaker 1: suffragists were doubled by the number of suffragette anti suffragists
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  Speaker 1: at two hundred thousand to one hundred thousand in nineteen fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't until nineteen seventeen that the number of
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  Speaker 1: suffragists grew significantly to two million. They bragged two million,
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  Speaker 1: and then they finally outnumbered the anti suffragists. So it
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  Speaker 1: took the suffragettes and the suffragists for women. It took
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  Speaker 1: them that many years right eighteen ninety three to nineteen ten.
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  Speaker 1: It took them seventeen years just to get to seventy
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  Speaker 1: five thousand, and they were still outnumbered, and it took
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  Speaker 1: them almost almost it took them took them almost twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven years, took them twenty five years to get to
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  Speaker 1: two million, whereas the female anti suffragists, the number of
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  Speaker 1: female male anti suffragists grew smaller, but started out much larger.
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  Speaker 1: And it was just the last four years, seventy two
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  Speaker 1: year campaign total right that the suffragists had, and it
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  Speaker 1: only in the last four years did they outnumber the
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  Speaker 1: anti suffragists. So it really took them all that time.
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  Speaker 2: And it kind of goes to show you how dangerous
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  Speaker 2: minorities can be. Now, I know that sounds like a
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  Speaker 2: charged phrase in ways it needn't be, but yeah, the
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  Speaker 2: Suffragettes were very much a minority, just like many people
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  Speaker 2: who committed atrocities over the centuries. Indeed, the Millennia started
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  Speaker 2: off as as a minority. It's perfectly possible for hideous
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  Speaker 2: ideas to start off in minorities. In fact, they generally
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  Speaker 2: do because because there is some consistency to human nature,
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  Speaker 2: people aren't drawn towards things that destroys society. If if
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  Speaker 2: they were, we would never would have evolved to the
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  Speaker 2: point where we could develop society. But yeah, the suffragettes
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  Speaker 2: and are a good example of the idea that that
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  Speaker 2: a very few amount of people had and and and
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  Speaker 2: so no one else thought anything of it. But cut
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  Speaker 2: to one hundred years later. Yeah, See, the minority thought,
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  Speaker 2: namely that men oppressed women and always have forever, has
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  Speaker 2: become a majority thought. It's it's actually kind of difficult
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  Speaker 2: to find anyone out there in society who doesn't believe
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  Speaker 2: the nonsense that was sewn into society by the likes
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  Speaker 2: of the suffragettes, This this conspiracy theory that men oppress
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  Speaker 2: women everywhere and always have.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting is it's still a minority of the
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  Speaker 1: female population that calls themselves feminists, right, And it's still
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  Speaker 1: a minority of the population that accuses men of being
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  Speaker 1: the reason that women might need to call themselves feminists. Which,
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  Speaker 1: you know, women don't really need to call themselves feminists.
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  Speaker 1: They don't need feminism at all. There isn't actually any
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  Speaker 1: benefit to women from feminism at all. There is a
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  Speaker 1: benefit to liars from feminism, and there's a benefit to
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  Speaker 1: con artists from feminism, because it's a great way to
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  Speaker 1: exploit kindocentrism, to push things through that you wouldn't ordinarily
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  Speaker 1: be able to convince people to accept. If you haven't noticed,
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  Speaker 1: Western society has a phenomenon wherein people will allow their boundaries,
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  Speaker 1: their personal boundaries, to be violated, in particular in relation
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  Speaker 1: to their human rights and their civil rights, if the
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  Speaker 1: person pushing those boundaries makes it look like defending them
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  Speaker 1: is an exercise of some form of wrongful prejudice, and
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  Speaker 1: in particular wrongful prejudice against women. So if you don't
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  Speaker 1: give up this human right or that civil right, this privacy,
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  Speaker 1: that ability to do normal things, you know, this space
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  Speaker 1: that is just yours, this property that you worked for,
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  Speaker 1: this wealth that you worked for, right, this definition of
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  Speaker 1: your personality based on your own actions and your own attitudes,
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  Speaker 1: then you hate women. So therefore you have to give
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  Speaker 1: all that up. And there are many, many people who will,
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  Speaker 1: many many people will bend the knee and say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, No I don't hate women. Yes you
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  Speaker 1: can take my money, Yes you can take my reputation,
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  Speaker 1: Yes you can take my freedom. Because they're so protective
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  Speaker 1: of women. And that is really how feminism has been
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  Speaker 1: successful over the last two hundred years, right, and to
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  Speaker 1: about two hundred years ago, feminists started trying to convince
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  Speaker 1: the greater female population that men abused them just by existing,
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  Speaker 1: just by creating civilization as as as it is, and
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  Speaker 1: just by being bigger and stronger and more more capable
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  Speaker 1: in terms of dealing with physical hardships and building things,
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  Speaker 1: and more interested in creating intricate mechanical devices and so on.
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  Speaker 1: Just by being that that group of people, somehow men
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  Speaker 1: oppressed women. And that's that's the story that's been going
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  Speaker 1: on for two hundred years, right, And I don't think
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  Speaker 1: most people do believe it. I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people will say, oh, yeah, women were oppressed, but they
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  Speaker 1: don't want to blame men, and they don't call themselves
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  Speaker 1: feminist because they don't want to blame men. The reality
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  Speaker 1: is women were not oppressed. Women had restrictions, women had obligations,
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  Speaker 1: men had restrictions, men had obligations. Men and women had rights.
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  Speaker 1: Both sexes had rights, both sexes had expectations from the
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  Speaker 1: other sex and of the other sex, and both sexes
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  Speaker 1: had their roles and they were cooperative roles. What feminists
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  Speaker 1: did was they took the female side of that, and
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  Speaker 1: they took the hardships that were associated with just the
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  Speaker 1: female side of that and said, well, only these are bad,
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  Speaker 1: and only these need a change. We want to keep
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  Speaker 1: all of the male obligation to women, we want to
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  Speaker 1: keep all of the male requirement to support women and
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  Speaker 1: the male requirement to protect women, but we want to
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  Speaker 1: get rid of all the things that women have to
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  Speaker 1: do to make that possible for men to do without
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  Speaker 1: suffering undue hardship themselves. And they did, and that's why
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  Speaker 1: we have such a massive homeless problem today among men
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  Speaker 1: who were divorced. That's why we have such a massive
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  Speaker 1: suicide problem today among men who are divorced. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that most
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  Speaker 1: people have adopted wholesale feminist viewpoints, but they do fall
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  Speaker 1: for the feminist narrative that women faced a lot of
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  Speaker 1: discrimination uniquely and that women were uniquely oppressed, when in
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  Speaker 1: fact they were not. So, the writer goes on, most
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  Speaker 1: textbooks overlook or lightly dismissed the National Association Opposed to
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  Speaker 1: Women's Suffrage, founded in the Park Avenue home of Josephine
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  Speaker 1: Missus Arthur M. Dodge of New York. And this is
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  Speaker 1: something again I will point out. She probably her public
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  Speaker 1: name was probably Missus Arthur M. Dodge, not Josephine Dodge.
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  Speaker 1: Because when women acted toward the state or toward the public,
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  Speaker 1: they acted in the name of their husband. So when
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  Speaker 1: feminists tell you that women were unpersoned under the state,
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  Speaker 1: they're mischaracterizing the state designation of the family units. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: when men acted in the public sphere, they were acting
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  Speaker 1: in the name of their whole family. And so when
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  Speaker 1: women acted in the public sphere, they affiliated themselves with
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  Speaker 1: their whole family by acting in their husband's name. And
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  Speaker 1: that means that while a man could only destroy his
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  Speaker 1: own reputation and people would feel sorry for his wife
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  Speaker 1: if he did that, a woman could destroy her husband's
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  Speaker 1: reputation and it would be his fault. So he goes on.
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  Speaker 1: Dodge was a public, spirited and indomitable woman whose father,
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  Speaker 1: Marshall Jewel, had been the Republican governor of Connecticut and
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  Speaker 1: a supporter of women's rights. Missus Dodge knew something about politics.
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  Speaker 1: She had skipped her fourth year at Vassar to live
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  Speaker 1: in Saint Petersburg when her father became envoid to Russia
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  Speaker 1: and she and her sister became minor celebrities at the
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  Speaker 1: Russian court due to their figure skating abilities. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: try making this slightly larger because I'm a little more
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  Speaker 1: blind than usual today. Maybe I can here, There we go.
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  Speaker 1: It's allergies. This is a fun, little little tidbit for
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  Speaker 1: people who don't have allergies. If they're really bad, you
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  Speaker 1: get a mucus glare over your eye and it makes
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  Speaker 1: it hard to see things. So everything's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: blurry until the allergy medicine works. But that's going to
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  Speaker 1: take another half hour or so. Missus Dodge was a
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  Speaker 1: pioneer in providing daycare to help working mothers, and she
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  Speaker 1: was president of the New York State. And wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: I saw it before, before women had to vote, women
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  Speaker 1: couldn't work. Didn't feminists tell us that there were no
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  Speaker 1: women with jobs? Why would they need daycare?
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  Speaker 2: They did?
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  Speaker 1: Lauren, can you get closer to the microphone? Sorry?
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, yes, can't get up.
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  Speaker 1: But what was it you said? Again?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I said, that's exactly right. If they couldn't
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  Speaker 3: go anywhere, then why in the world would they need daycare?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? And if they weren't working, why would they be
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  Speaker 1: working mothers needing daycare? Mm hmm. Something something does add
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  Speaker 1: up here, right, providing daycare to help working mothers, and
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  Speaker 1: back in the early twentieth century, I thought that didn't
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  Speaker 1: happen until Obama, Like working mothers didn't get daycare until Obama.
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  Speaker 1: We were told that there was no daycare for working
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  Speaker 1: mothers during the two thousand and eight campaign. These people
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  Speaker 1: lied to me. I am shocked. I can't the California
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, I can't stop laughing at that. Oh this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Every time we wead through an historical document, it debunks
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  Speaker 1: shit that we've heard in the last two or three
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  Speaker 1: Democrat campaigns about women. And she was president of the
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  Speaker 1: New York Anties in nineteen eleven when California became the
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  Speaker 1: sixth state to give the vote to women. So these women,
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  Speaker 1: we're not anti feminist, getting getting daycare to help working
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  Speaker 1: mothers seems like something that the feminists have been pushing for, right,
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  Speaker 1: they are the ones that want free day care for
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  Speaker 1: working mothers. She was, she was fighting for that. She
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  Speaker 1: was still a privileged lady. She went to an expensive school.
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  Speaker 1: She took time off from an expensive school for a
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  Speaker 1: foreign trip with her her diplomat father. So like this
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  Speaker 1: is this is not ignorant country bumpkins like people like
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  Speaker 1: me have been called for years. Hey, this isn't somebody
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't know what she's dealing with and what she's
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  Speaker 1: talking about. This is somebody who is on par with
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  Speaker 1: the women that she's fighting with. For this. Missus Dodge
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  Speaker 1: was a Oh I read that when she was president
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  Speaker 1: of the New York Anties in nineteen eleven, when California
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  Speaker 1: became the sixth state to give the vote to women.
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  Speaker 1: The California victory alarmed Dodge and her allies, motivating them
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  Speaker 1: to form the National Association Opposed to Women's Suffrage just
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  Speaker 1: six weeks later. From twenty or from nineteen twelve, sorry
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  Speaker 1: to nineteen eighteen, when the swine flu that we got
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  Speaker 1: reminded of through the COVID crisis hit, we got told
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  Speaker 1: all about that nineteen eighteen flu and the masks that
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  Speaker 1: they wore back then and everything. So from from nineteen
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  Speaker 1: twelve to nineteen eighteen, Dodges newsletter Woman's protest against women's
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  Speaker 1: suffrage promoted her view that women had more power to
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  Speaker 1: improve society without the vote than with it. The organization's
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  Speaker 1: all female membership totaled one hundred and five thousand in
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  Speaker 1: its first year and peaked at about five hundred thousand
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  Speaker 1: and nineteen nineteen. So that view women have more power
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  Speaker 1: to improve society without the vote than with it kind
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  Speaker 1: of have to think about what that means, because if
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  Speaker 1: you look back at women's activism before women's suffrage, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of it was women getting involved in initiatives physically
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  Speaker 1: where they would go investigate. For instance, the woman I
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  Speaker 1: can't think of her name off the top of my head,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: but the woman who worked to initially work to improve
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: women's prison systems in the United States went to the prisons,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: spoke to the women, spoke to the people that worked there,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: was there to see what it was like, and then
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: went to legislators and said, these things have to change.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: This is what's happening to the prisoners. They can't be
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: rehabilitated under these conditions. And and she got changes made,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and she didn't sit in her house and wait around
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: for an election and then vote for people that promise
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: to do something about the problem. And that's something that's
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: changed with women. Women will march in the street because
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: they're mad that some guy made a statement that reveals
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: the fact that rich men know when women are gold
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: diggers and clout chasers. But they won't so frequently step
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: out of their homes and out of their comfortable lives,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: out of their their work schedules, and they're they're all
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: the different things. They've talked their kids into getting involved
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: in dance classes and karate and I don't know, soccer,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: and and everything else that parents inflict on their kids.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: But they won't step out of all of that and
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: go do the legwork in large numbers like they did
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: two hundred years ago and one hundred years ago, because
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: they're too busy trying to do everything else and they're
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: too tired. And then they turn around and expect to
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: vote for politicians who don't know what's going on or
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: don't care. And a lot of times and people got
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: mad at Kamala Harris for not going to the border
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: to find out what was going on at the border
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: in order to make decisions about it. But that's pretty
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: much standard in DC. I used to make a joke
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: about corporate entities that the policy that you have to
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: deal with as a worker in the lowest common denominator outlet,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Like if you're working for a chain of convenience stores
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: and you're the one who works at the gas station
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: convenience store, all of the policy that you have to
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: deal with feels like it's made from a room full
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: of chimpanzees on acid, being given paper and crayons and
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: whatever they draw the pick from that to make policy
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: using the dartboard method. Right at Congress is like that.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I swear you'd never hear or see you're congressmen. You know,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: they don't show up and investigate things. They don't go
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: places and talk to people and consider what's going on
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: in the lives of their constituents. They look at numbers,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: they look at news reports, they look at what other
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: congressmen are saying. And unless there's an activist group or
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: set of obviyists who approached them, they don't know it.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: They don't know anything. If you don't write to them,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: they don't know anything. They might not answer all of
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: our letters, like nobody answered my letters about the definition
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: of rape in Ohio, but you know, nobody answered my
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: letters about the fact that pedophiles in Ohio can get
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: custody of children that they conceive through rape either and
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: that law changed that they actually put through a statute
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: that outlawed that. So and when I when I suggested
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: people write to them and everything, they must have gotten
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: enough letters and enough contact from people outraged about the
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: existing situation that they realized something needed to be done.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: But they don't. They don't know that stuff unless people
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: approach them with it. And that used to be something
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: that women did. It used to be that that women would,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: even if they didn't directly travel to d C or
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: travel to their state capitals and speak directly to their politicians,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: they would write letters. They would pass around pamphlets to
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: other people who would write letters. You know, they would
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: write to newspapers where you know that their their words
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: would be seen by large groups of people, all the
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: readership and and get the Overton window moving, get the
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: uh what's acceptable in society changing, get people talking about
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: the issue, get the issue on the table, and then
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the next thing, you know, you know, lawmakers would start
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: addressing it. Right, And yeah, it doesn't that law is
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: not gendered. It is illegal for the perpetrator of a
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: sexual assault in Ohio. I thought it said rape in
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the law, but it says sexual assault. It is illegal
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: for the perpetrator of a sexual assault to retain custody
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: or gain custody of a child conceived by that sexual assault.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: So in fact, if the perpetrator and the victim are
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: both adults, you still the perpetrator still cannot have custody
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: of that child. So they went a whole hog on it,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: so that was good. Jen Bottle says, Congress is not lazy.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Why just yesterday they did fifty eight squat sets. Yeah,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: one each, right, But the point is, like, and it's
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know that I would necessarily call it all laziness.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot that was on the United States.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: So the federal congressmen, they're not going to know if
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: you don't contact them. But there is a degree to
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: which you know, they could investigate, They could find out
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: more than they do, and they really spend all their
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: time dealing with lobbyists and each other, the news media,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: you know, stuff like that, so they don't they don't
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: hear or learn about much of anything unless it becomes
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: part of popular discussion or you write to them and
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: alert them of it. So just just a point to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: make here when she says that women had more power
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: to improve society without the vote than with it. You
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: know women, women had, women worked harder to improve society
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: when they couldn't just rely on voting for somebody who
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: promised to do it. And before we move on, I
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: have two superchows that came in, one on the twenty
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: second and one today. But at two fifty seven am,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: we had money is Honey for the Badger gave us
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: five dollars and said the money for the future of
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: the autismo women. And then we have Machine thirteen eighteen
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: who gave us forty dollars but didn't say anything. So
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: if you're listening Machine thirteen eighteen, hopefully there wasn't a
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: comment that didn't make it through. But thanks you guys
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: for those superchows. And I want to get those out
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: of the way before we get more into the show
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: because they're not necessarily specific to what's being discussed. Peppina
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: pointed out women got their vote in through their husbands.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Those were the times, and that's another thing. Your vote
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: as a man represented your whole family. You were the
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: household voter, and it wasn't something that you just did.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: It was something that was a family decision. Right, Maybe
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: if your kids were five, they didn't say anything about it,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: but you had to consider how it was going to
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: affect them. You had to consider how it was going
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: to affect your wife, and you had to consider how
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: it was going to affect your property, your earnings, and
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: your future ability to stay out of war. And yeah,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: women vote by proxy. Proxy was the saying, like Jen
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Bottle says. So in addition to the power that they
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: had right to influence what was talked about, what legislators
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: were considering, you know what, the what the president then
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: ran on, they were also influencing the voters in their homes.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: So the organization grew super fast in comparison really to
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: the anti suffragists. Suffrage organizations had smaller membership, finally pulling
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: ahead of the antis with about two million voters or
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: two million members in nineteen seventeen, still only about one
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: fourteenth of potential women voters. So they were still a
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: minority among women even when they got to two million,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Even when they got to where they outnumbered the women
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: who were actively fighting against them, they didn't outnumber the
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: women who didn't sign on to be on board with them.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: In nineteen fourteen, sixty six years after Seneca Falls. So
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: for sixty six years, these women pushed and pushed and
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: nagged and bitched and wined and wound, and in sixty
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: six years they finally started started addressing the fact that
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: most women don't want to vote. Anna Howard Shaw addressed
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the common objection that the majority of women do not
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: want to vote. Her response was that suffragists should not
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: even reply to such arguments because they have no bearing
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: on our question. So what did she just say? There?
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: You used to think about this.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if anyone disagrees with this, we will
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: kill them.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Mentality we've we've we've found ourselves face to face with
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: in the last couple of weeks.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep. She she basically said, it doesn't matter if
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: women don't want what we're doing in women's name. It
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter if we don't speak for all women. We're
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: demanding this and women had better get out of our
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: way because we're doing this for women. That was that
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: was their attitude. It's it's the same thing I saw
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: jet Uh was it Jessica Valenti? I think it was.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Jessica Valenti went on vacation. She's the one that had
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: the I bathe in male tears sweatshirt on at the beach.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: She was a journalist. I don't know if she's even
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: still working as a journalist, but de caring the heyday
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: of hashtag women against feminism, she went on this vacation
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: with her husband to the beach and tweeted out from
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: her vacation that even if the majority of women disagree
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: with feminists, it's okay. They'll act on our behalf anyway.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: And I was just like, you know, you're not making
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: yourselves look good. You're not defending yourselves with that statement.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: You're basically saying that our consent doesn't matter. Feminists do
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: not care about your consent. They only care about how
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: they can manipulate the consent narrative to make you a
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: bad guy. When they need to get consent, they determine
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: that it is irrelevant. Statements like Shaws gave ammunition to
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: the anti suffragists. How could giving women the vote be
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: in advance in democracy, they asked, when the majority of
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: women were either opposed to suffrage or indifferent. In an
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: effort to put women's lack of support in the best light, possible.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Suffragists frequently echoed the antis arguments the majority of women
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: they claimed were either pro suffrage or indifferent. The fact
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: that many women were indifferent allowed both sides to make
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: exaggerated claims of female support. So let's let's compare that
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: to the discussion of consent again. Right, if a woman
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: is indifferent, is that allowed to be considered consent during
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: a sex act? Right? If she's like, whatever, you do,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: what you want and doesn't seem enthusiastic, haven't feminine said
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: that insent? Consent isn't given if it's not enthusiastic. But
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: here they're saying, and have said for a couple hundred years,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: that it doesn't matter if it's not enthusiastic. In fact,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if it's not really consent. As long
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: as it's not a refusal, they can go ahead into
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: what they want to women.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Even if it is a refusal, they're gonna go ahead
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: to it.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just because you don't want to say.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: As soon as the minority grows big enough to outnumber
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: the majority, they're gonna flip from there the minority matters.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Do now wear the majority, and now we matter more
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: than the minority. It's awfully curious how that works.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and the whole time, consent doesn't matter to them.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: It never matters to them. Historians sometimes take suffragists' claims
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: at face values, stating, for example, that suffrage came to
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: be seen as a goal around which all women could unite.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: It is unfortunate that few reliable opinion polls are available,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: but there is considerable evidence that suffrage was never supported
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: by a majority of American women, let alone all women.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: College textbooks sometimes portray the suffrage campaign as a battle
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: of the sexes. The American Promise says that men's dominance
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: over women knit all white men together politically, while Alan
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Brinkley's American History a Survey says that the anti movement
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: was dominated by men. America A Narrative History says that
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Anthony made little impression on the defenders of masculine prerogative.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: An America Empire of Liberty adds that many men and
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: some women opposed suffrage. It's interesting how they do that
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: many men and some women. So a few hundred men
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: might be many men, but hundreds of thousands of women
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: are only some women.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: And I have to wonder how many, how many women
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: were among the suffragists, as opposed to suffragettes who were
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: trying to express the opinion that yet, not only do
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: we not want the vote, we don't want any such
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: thing as a vote. It's it sounds outlandish nowadays now
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: that we're all surrounded by this. We have to save
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: democracy narrative, as though, as though democracy is synonymous with
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: the human race itself, like we can't possibly exist without democracy.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: And there's there's a scan handful of people saying, you know,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: you say we're destroying democracy, and we're not. That's that's
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: just a narrative you have. But at the same time,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: we're trying to imagine a world that can thrive without democracy.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: And it's not that difficult because democracy isn't that old
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: as a concept. And and I imagine what what few
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: based women there were in the early twentieth century. I
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: guess there are very few based people, or maybe most
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: people were based back in those days. It doesn't really
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: matter because I haven't defined based. But to return to
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: my initial point, there must have been some people in
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: the early days of democracy, or in the middle days
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: of democracy. I guess it was at that point who
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: were still saying, yeah, democracy is actually bullshit. We don't
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: want to save it. We were kind of much better
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: off when we had When we had a monarch who
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: had skinned the game, a monarch who could not be
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: bought off. We were doing quite quite well in those days.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: There were were not particularly interested in a rule by
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: the people because the people are retarded.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: There were there were people that pushed to make George
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Washington America's first king.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Based.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they wanted a monarchy here. It's so there was
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: there was debate over it, and the representative republic idea,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: the parliamentary system kind of one out with the idea
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: that we're going to do it right this time, and
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: it only it only worked as long as men remained
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: invested in maintaining as much of their own independence as
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: possible and maintaining the small size of the American government.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: And as soon as they started relying on the government
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: for more and more personal things, more and more community
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: small community things, that became the start of the downfall
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: of the United States. As soon as we started seeing, well,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: you know, this problem is a little more widespread than
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: just my house. The government, the federal government should do
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: something about it. This problem is big. The federal government
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: should do something about it, as opposed to we the
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: citizens should band together and get it figured out. We
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: the citizens can work together and do something about this.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: You know that that pretty much destroyed the strength of
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: the country little by little over a couple hundred years.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately it happened in such an incremental way that
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: many within the population didn't see it happening, didn't understand
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: what they were doing, the damage they were doing, and
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: so they ended up ended up participating in it and
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: facilitating it and ignoring and even making fun of the
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: people that were shouting warnings about this the whole time,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: going hey, you know, we're growing this system too big.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: We're we're handing too much power over to the state.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: This was why we had a revolution should in the
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: first place. Guys, why are we you know, bringing it here?
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: And and now we're to the point where those of
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: us that are that are you fed up with it?
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: That that have been saying for the last thirty or
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: more years, just depending on how old you are, that
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: this is the wrong way to go. You know, we're
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: we're finally getting more into a majority that people are
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: recognizing you know, oh gosh, we screwed up. We gave
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: the government too much power. Now it seems like it's
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: it's turned into the blob. We got to do something
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: about this. Well, now it's a much bigger and harder job,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: and we might not succeed, and if we do succeed,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: we won't succeed without a whole lot of pain. So
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: there you go. And one of those increments, one of
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: those steps, one of the big steps, was again giving
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: women the vote. The mention of some women anties is welcome,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: as is Brinkley's statement that male anties were supported by
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: many women. Scholars who have written about the women anties
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: generally agree that the organized anti suffrage campaign was primarily
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: a movement of middle and upper class white women, that
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: the male anties sometimes joined the campaign at the request
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: of women leaders. Just as women anti suffragists are often
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: overlooked today, male supporters of suffrage like Henry S. Blackwell,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Thomas Wentworth Higgerson, William Lloyd Garrison, Senator, AA sergeant, and
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: the Reverend Henry Ward Beecher are barely mentioned, and five
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: of fifteen textbooks make no mention of male support whatsoever.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: In fact, male support led the way in the earliest
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: suffrage victories. When lawmakers made Wyoming women the first fully
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: enfranchised women in the world by in eighteen sixty nine,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: the only campaign had been two speeches by traveling women suffragists. Similarly,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: the second victory in Utah Territory one year later was
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: apparently achieved without any campaign by women at all. So
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: women didn't do that. Men did. Aware of the strength
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: of male support, suffrage leaders carried out fifty six campaigns
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: to let men vote on the suffrage question, while they
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: almost always opposed letting women vote on it. Now, why
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: if they had the support of women, why would they
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: want men to make that decision again, sneaky bitches, This
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: is the men.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Given that men oppressed women always everywhere and always have,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: it's odd of them to rely on men for such
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: an earth shattering change. Normally the oppressed are unable to
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: appeal to the oppressors in order to pull this off.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, in the French Revolution, they had to invent
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: a machine just so they could cut off all the
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: heads they wanted to cut off. And that was a
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: dispute between the PLBs and the royalty and the clergy,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: and between men and women. In this imaginary fight that
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: the Suffragettes and their ilk imagined into existence. H it
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: didn't take that long. They said, men, we want power
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: that you don't have, and they went okay, yeah, and
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: then darkness and counting.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: It's almost like it's almost like everything that they've said
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: about men's malicious oppression of women, it's a lie, all right.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: It's almost like everything they've said about men's attitude toward
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: women at the time was a lie. So you look
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: at the way that they handled this, right, the men
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: that they wanted to vote for this was the men
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: in positions of government authority and power, men, men in
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: the bureaucracy, men who felt they would benefit from people
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: who vote for safety nets right, people who ask the
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: government to do things for them, people who appeal to
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: authority for change having the vote. But when it was
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: wartime and the suffragettes really started heavily pushing, you know,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: they didn't want the men who were being manipulated and
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: imposed on by that authority to vote. They didn't want
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: the men who had real stake in the game. They
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: didn't want the men who had real skin in the
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: game to vote on this. They wanted the men who
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: were left behind, the men who were more likely to
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: appeal to authority with them or the men who were
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: in authority. It's kind of like when you're in the
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: first grade and you're in an argument with a classmate
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: and instead of holding her own in the argument or
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: you know, admitting if she's wrong, she goes and tells
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: the teacher that you're picking on her and gets you
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: in trouble. Or you know, Twitter, same place, first grade,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Twitter or whatever. So Utah got women's voting rights through
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: without a single woman campaigning for it. Aware of the
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: strength of male support, suffrage leaders carried out fifty six
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: campaigns to let men vote on the suffrage questions, so
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: they didn't need women's consent because they could get women
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: overridden by men who were convinced based on the vocal statements,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: the loudmouth statements from the suffragists that they represented women
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: to do do their bidding right, they could get those
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: men to override all of the other women, and they've
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: been doing that for two hundred years. Listen to women, well,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: not those women. Listen to us. We speak for them.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: They may say we don't, but we do. That's the
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: feminist narrative. Proposed referendums for women only next headline. So
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: the lone referendum for women only was held in Massachusetts
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: in eighteen ninety five. Only four percent of eligible women voted.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Anti suffragists had encouraged women to stay away from the polls,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: and the vast majority of them did. In fifty seven towns,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: not a single woman voted for suffrage. Of the few
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: votes that were actually cast, ninety six percent were pro suffrage.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: For many years afterwards, suffrage leaders like Julia Ward Howse
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: cited the ninety six percent figure as a victory, but
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: they never again asked for a referendum of women only.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: To me, that was a mistake. I think the anti
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: suffragists should have encouraged women to go to the polls
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: and speak their minds, because they probably would have seen
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: ninety six percent figure or possibly even higher going going
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: away from voting rights. Shadow Claw eighty seven. Eighty seven
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: asks if we can see the twitch chat so I
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: hope that helps. Yes, we can. It's all going through restream.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Restream is the service that we stream through, so we
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: see all the YouTube chats, the restream chats. If you
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: say something on Facebook, we see that. Let me see
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: what all it shows me yeah, it shows it shows
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: those three, so it won't show. I think this is
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: also going out. This might still be going out on X.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know. They just changed it so that Okay,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I think I do know who you are. But yeah,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: they just changed it so that you have to pay
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: a higher fee to be able to stream on X.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: They had too many people probably were hosting live streams
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: that were plubs. But and of course my account is
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: still restricted. Without explanation of any kind, I cannot listen
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: to streams on X and I cannot participate in them
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: from my account. So that's an interesting development. And I
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: had a thread that I had posted a while back
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: that I went to reference today found out that thread.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: You can see the first tweet if you if you
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: find the first tweet as a reply, but you can't
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: see the replies that I made to myself to create
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: the thread. Somebody, the person that I was arguing with,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: got angry and flagged them all as spam. So because
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: I pointed out that in modern America, not two hundred
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: years ago, but in moderate America, if you go through
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: various types of infrastructure jobs, dangerous jobs that people rely
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: on for different things, technical jobs that people rely even appliants,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: repair people. The tiny percentage of most of those jobs,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: the biggest one, I think was maybe ten percent of
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: the construction industry as women. And you know that'll lot
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: of them are doing things like being the flagger on
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: the road and not operating heavy machinery or handling heavy
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: loads or anything like that. Right, So very few construction
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: workers or women. And you know in housing construction, you
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: have women who work in housing construction. But then when
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: you find out what they do, it's clerical work. So yeah,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: there's there's quite a bit of resentment that that goes into.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: When I get reported, it's usually for something like that.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: You know, I point out that, no, women would not
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: do just fine if men vanished. In fact, if men
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: vanished from the world, we would be so fucked women.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: You have no idea how fast things would fall apart.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: There would be no utilities, there would be no food available,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: there would be no uh, actually anything that you rely on.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: There would be no internet because there'd be no electricity.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: You cannot run the power grid with less than five
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: percent of the workers, right, There'd be no water.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: No, you know how great it would be if we
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: can get all women off of social media for a fucking.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Day, Oh my god. But you have to understand social
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: media is a video game for women, measured in the
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: achieve the achievements and and uh, you know, wins and
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: prizes are measured in how many clicks, views, likes, retweets,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: reposts and so on they get. And when they get
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: into a conflict with somebody or competition with somebody for attention,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: that's that's the Uh, those are the mobs. And of
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: course accounts that are verified and large are boss monsters.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: So you know, when when you see other conservative women
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: attacking like the conservative women that are in in office
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: or that are in positions of power, that are in
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: positions of social power, you know, or or just even
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: married to to to high power politicians, because that happens
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: quite a bit, right, they're going after boss monsters, especially
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: if they're attacking on social media and and going for
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: likes and retweets for that. And the same thing is
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: true when they attack, you know, liberal women. But it's
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: a different boss monster when you attack a liberal women
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: or really a communist woman, because there aren't any liberal
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: women in the country. They are women who call themselves liberal.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: There are women who call themselves libertarian. There are a
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: few of them that actually are, but there are no
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: liberal women in the country. And I will say this
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: because when you talk to a woman who says she's liberal,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: ask her what her main issue is, the first thing
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: that will come up is usually abortion. So they're not liberal.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: They're feminist. Right as they start talking about issues that
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: were once considered liberal issues, they will talk about them
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: from a communist perspective, and again they're not liberal, they're feminist,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: and feminism is a communist movement, so they are communists.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: They're no liberating.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Liberating children from them mothers is like liberating bodies from souls,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: like as a euphemism for for killing someone. As I've
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: often said, we're a tricky species. We can any any
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: tone can be used to advocate for liberty or to
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: advocate or it's boil for the opposite. Some people call
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: it freedom, and then it's the freedom to imprison people
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: and that with some people it's equality, and then it's
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: it's the equality to prevent people from ever look sceving
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: them like that's called communism. There's so much of this
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: boils down to people just load a bunch of baggage
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: into a single term, and then they don't have to
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: explain the baggage. They just use the term and they
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: assume everyone understands what they mean by the term. But
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: they don't. They mean the baggage, and we never get
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: past it because because because no one ever examines the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: baggage behind the terms they're using. Yeah, because that's too
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: much effort. It's just so much easier just to say
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: racist or simp or what.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Yep yep. And you know when it comes to women,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: they're particularly invested in manipulating that that specific phenomenon, right,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: because if you get that mental shortcut going, that mental
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: shorthand going, and you can manipulate people based on common
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: beliefs about about various labels, and you can use those
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: labels as your weapons and your attack. And and by
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: the way, no, they're not fighting the boss monster. They're
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: fighting the boss monsters orbiters. Right, So nobody gets into
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: an argument, no pleb gets into an argument on Twitter
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: or or Facebook or any other social media site with
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris or Hillary Clinton or you know, any any
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: of the women on the right, Like you don't see
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: in Coulter having a conversation with me, for instance, because
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: they they're too big, they're too busy. They if they
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: had time for that, they wouldn't have time to do
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: the stuff that they do. Although I still am waiting
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: to figure out exactly what it is that Kamala Harris
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: does besides laugh a lot. But when you increase power, yeah,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: she does increase her own power.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: For thirty years now, she's been getting power and using
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: that power to increase her own power. So that's that's
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: a leadership quality right there.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: It's very feminine, actually, but yeah, we we don't. We
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: don't go after arguments with them. You know, you say
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: something about them, and you wait for their orbiters, for
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: their loyalists to start making comments back, and you do
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: get out with those guys. Those are their weapons. So
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: and you win simply by making a spectacle of yourself.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: That's the game. That's how feminists play social media. That's
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: how women play social media. You know, feminists are better
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: at it than other women and have been for quite
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: a while because they will also manipulate the authority end
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: of it. Right, So if your opponent gets in a
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: few good licks and you can't counter what they're saying,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: and the opinion of people reading the conversation might be
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: turning against you. You just report everything that they posted.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: And I've had done to me a lot. My account's
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: really compromised by that. Actually, if you had to here's.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: One of those funny droken questions, if you had to
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: put society entirely in the hands of autists or narcissists,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: what would you go with?
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, gosh, I would I.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Would hesitate for a second, you would You would put
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: in the hands of.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Artists at least at least if you took the artist group,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: there would be engineers.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, there would be people who can build infrastructures.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: And maintain them.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: It's kind of well, it's impossible to put narcissists in
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: charge of business. Well it's not impossible, but you won't
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: last a generation because because because they can't do it,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: they'll get they'll get they'll get caught up in their
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: own ego, and it'll it'll it won't be about the issues,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: it will be about the celebrities. When you look around
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: society these days, you kind of get the impression that
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: we're not long into a society that is being led
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: by narcissists. And to be honest, the people who have
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: built society and its infrastructures over the last few millions.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: By modern standards, were all artists. By modern standards, they
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: were all far right. If you ask anyone it for
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: the one hundred and ninety nine thousand years of human history,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: any of the questions that you ask people these days,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: they would appear on the political compass as had right.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: They'd be like, no, these people are giant faggot. Why
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: are ulistics of these people? They have no idea how
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: to run a civilization. They only have these ideas because
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: they've been so pampered by hundreds of years of good
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: men made by hard times, I guess, or something like that.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. And of course the people that listen to
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: them are equally equally retarded pagots. Oh my god. I
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: when I get into conversations with these people, I sometimes picture,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: you know. Ever, since Brian pointed out that social media
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: is women's video games, like I like regular video games,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: I've kind of kind of latched on and never Winter
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: more recently, and I started playing that again just because,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: like I said, if I don't get access to video
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: games at least sometimes I become kind of a bitch.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: So I guess a lot of women are like that
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: when they when they don't have access to relations to
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: to sex, to being in a relationship with a man,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: but have that problem. I don't have to worry about that,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: and I still get bit you if I don't get
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: my video games.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: So I like video games, and I've always liked video games,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: but the idea of playing online with strangers has always
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: turned me off completely.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: It's the easiest way for me to socialize.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: Having a casual game of chess with with some complete
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: rando from Slovakia or something. I'd still I'd rather play
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: chess against the computer. I don't know what it is
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: about me. I think it might be a masculine thing,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: wondering on an autistic thing. I would rather play with
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: things than play with people. And yes, that is that
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: is an autistic thing. That is a man versus women thing.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: I mean even male babies are more drawn to things
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: like clarks, and female babies are more drawn to human
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: faces and stuff, and that this continues into childhood and
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: continues long into adulthood and stuff like this. Men like things,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: women like people. That doesn't mean men don't like people,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't mean women don't like things.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: But yes, wait a minute, I don't like people.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: That means you're a man.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: I like people, but they they have to be they
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: have to be decent people. That's that's the problem that
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: I have. You run into a lot of people that
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: are just assholes.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Assholes.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not even the good kind of assholes. Like
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: there's a good kind of asshole and a bad kind
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: of asshole.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Look, some things are assholes as well. My computer is
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: a total asshole. It just does its own things sometimes. No,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do that. Through it, you can still
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: get pissed off by things. I think. I think this
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: is why people have pets, because they like to yell
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: at cats and dogs, even though they know that cats
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: and dogs don't understand.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: See what, I can't even commit to that things meet
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: because people people like to get off their chest and
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: in the presence of someone or something that doesn't understand.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: I've recently discovered how fun it is to flip off
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: Lauren's cat. It's something, really, there's a certain release.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Does the catta does the cat the cat doesn't.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: Cat that just stands at you doesn't know what a finger.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: You have to look up. There's there's a pattern of
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: people on YouTube giving the finger to their cat and
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: the cat pounces. I think, though you have to look
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: aggressive when you do it because uh and and you
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: have to do it to a cat. There's some cats
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: that that you can play with aggressively like a cat
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: would play with another cat. And they'll be gentle with
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: you because they know that you don't have a cat
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: stick forry skin and they have seen you bleed when there.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: When they get out, the murder mittens. But in any case,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: they they will jump and grab and bite and everything,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: and so it's kind of funny. But no, I don't
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: I don't even commit to that with with a pet
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: like I've had pets. I had pet rats when I
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: was a kid because I was allergic to everything else
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: and if somebody brings up fish. No, I wasn't allergic
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: to fish, but I was allergic to the mildew that
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: having a fish tank in your house would put in
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: your house. So there was that problem. We we discovered that,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: and then we had to get rid of the fish,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: which sucked because they were pretty. They looked yummy. Though
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: that's the problem is once you have carved up a
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: fish yourself and cooked it, you know fish it out
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: of the lake, carve it up, cook it, and eat it.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: Every fish looks like I could I could eat that. Yeah,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: it's only two inches long, but I could still eat it.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: You know It's it's really bad. But yeah, now, no
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have a pet. But there are
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: some cats in the neighborhood that don't have homes, you
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: know that that we feed, and we've been systematically going
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: through and getting them their shots and stuff through SISKA,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: just because we don't we don't want rabbit animals, and
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: we don't want an over abundance of kittens either. So
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: some of them we've been able to get them neutered,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: but they're not pets, and most of them won't let
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: you approach and pet them and cuddle them like normal cats,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: but they will talk to you. So I come home
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: from work and three cats will usually approach me now, now, now,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: and I'll have conversations. My neighbors look at me like
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: I'm nuts the cats yeah, and I'm like, oh, you
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: don't say, are you sure about that? You know? And
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: and one one, one guy will let us pet him
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: and he around on our porch and he won't leave.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: He actually has just declared it his territory and he
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: won't let the other cats come up there. And so
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: he's the closest thing that I've had to a pet
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: in probably ten years, twelve years, and I'm quite comfortable
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: with that. If we think there's going to be a tornado,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: he comes inside. Aside from that, I don't have to
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: deal with cat here in the house, and I don't
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: have to deal with having to increase my allergy medicine
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: so I can have a cat in the house because
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: I am allergic to him and all the other cats.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. I guess I'm just not that social.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: Like I can talk to all of you. I can
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: talk to hundreds of people online. No one is going
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: to go out to an audience later that is in thousands.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't hang out, I don't relax.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: I don't. It's just not how I uh, it's just
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: not how I am. I Even like I said, I've
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: been playing never Winter. If I do team up with
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: somebody to to go do there's different different things that
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: you can do in the game by yourself, and there's
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: different things that you have to be with a group
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: of people. For my microphone is usually turned off, like
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't talk, you know, unless somebody asks
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: me a question.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how kind of how I go through my day,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: like at work and everything. You know, I prefer to
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: just stay to myself.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: I don't like to bother people. I think it's just
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: how I am normally. Like if if you know what,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: where I park, I park far away so I'm not
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: in the way of other people. I don't try to be.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: Furs Yeah, I park far away because I'm trying to
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: lose weight. I'm going to be one hundred percent honest.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: That's the only reason that I park a distance away
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: from where, because it's extra steps.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, I through work, I encounter these
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: people who I don't know if they know what it's
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: like to let fifteen minutes pass without noise coming from
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: their fucking face.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: Are they female?
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: No, these are male.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say if they're female. The answer is
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: they don't. They don't know.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, absolutely, But you know, it's it's just
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: it's odd seeing because it is a female behavior.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: It's female.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: Great, it's odd seeing it in grown men. I mean,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: it shouldn't be you know, surprising.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: Well, now are they talking about fantasy football?
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, no, because like that seems to be I've noticed
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: that that can can can get a conversation. You start
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: hearing about stats stuff, and if you get a group
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: of guys where like three or more of them are
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: really into it, it's it's a lot like it's it's gaming,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: but it's a different type of gaming. They're they're essentially
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: so they'll do that and I'll see them like guys
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: will talk about Guys will talk about subjects that they're
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: emotionally invested in because they they can they can sort
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: of bet and win, or they can achieve something they
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: get they get a result from it. I noticed women
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: will just sit around and talk without a purpose like
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: men most of the time. When they sit around and talk,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: if you take the time to listen, like for a
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: long time to what the conversation's about and how they
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: there's a purpose. And I'm not like small talk has
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: a purpose, right People people connect with each other over
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: small talk and they keep up with This is the
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: condition my coworker is in right now. And it helps
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: manage their expectations for the day and stuff like that,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: and it helps people help each other through circumstances that
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: are rough or challenging. But women, women will talk when
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: there's not really a purpose for what they're talking about.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, exactly, Like I totally understand the difference between
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: the two, you know, and the value in men even
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: having that space where they can just shoot the shit
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: and not have to worry about someone, you know, overhearing
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: the wrong thing at the wrong time. I can't even
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: begin to tell I work with nothing but men, mostly
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: nothing but women, or men and a couple of annoying
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: women who really like attention. So you know, I see that,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: you know, I see the camaraderie. I see the conversations
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: that they have, and it's a lot of small chit chaps,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of nothing conversations. But that's
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: not even what I'm talking about, talking about people that
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: just I'm gonna yawn ten times louder than I need
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: to because I can make noise to hear it.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: You know, you should hear me, and I sneeze. No,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: I'm one of those two.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: I'm one of those two, trust me. And I work
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: in a building that is large, so it the sound
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: travels very well. Yeah, So yeah, I'm using we we burp,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: we do all all ash it, all ash it, you
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: know what I mean. But I mean just the useless.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I don't. I don't even know how
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: to how to really explain it because I don't understand it.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: That makes so you've got to have some understanding of
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: something they want to explain it.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like this need to make your presence
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: known for some reason.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It sounds like they're blowing off steam,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: like you get a level of tension built up in
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: the air. I sometimes will do this. I'll have a
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: sigh that that is pretty vocal, and it's just I'll
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: take a deep breath and just stay it. Talking about
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: it makes me. But and I have this vocal sign
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: and then I'm like, I wonder why I vocalized with that.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: It's it's not like anything's going on. I'm just doing
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm just typing, like working on this thing.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to compile. So We've been talking about
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: this history of suffrage and its association with a military
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: service and taxation for a few months now, and I'm
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: trying to compile the information into either one long video
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: or a series of shorter videos. And I think I'm
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: gonna go for a series of shorter videos because if
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: I do one long video, it's gonna be like four
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: hours or longer. But because we've got we've probably got
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: at least thirty hours of discussion in about this so far,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: and then there will be more. Right But in any case,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: like I get, I'll be sitting and working on that,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: and I'll stay in the same position. I'll be, you know,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: going back and forth between tabs and all this stuff,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, It's like when you're petting
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: a cat and all of a sudden, cat's done. You know,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: there's a certain degree of tension that happens that you
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: just have to release it. Yeah, and if you're in
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: an environment where you can't, you have to be careful
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: what you do because some of the stuff in the
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: environment is danger ris or you know, in my situation,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: there isn't a lot to do to to release that tension.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: Like I'm in somebody else's house, so that's it. I
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: just and and then I'm like, why did I make
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: that noise? You know? Oh, well, it's you know, tension release.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: But that might be what's going on it's the only
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: explanation I can think of.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, tension release could be it, but I don't know.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: Pounding on the wall as you walk past.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's stemming. That's that's that's autistic stemming. It might
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: not be autistic, but I mean normal people stem too,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: like my people, Normy's stem But if you're autistic, you
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: do it a lot more. Ye. So, but yeah, that's possible,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: quite possible. And it's actually people with ADHD stem too,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: and they do it a lot more. They just don't
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: realize it because they forget two seconds later. Yeah, but
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: you know when it's okay.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: It's disturbing to the work environment. That's a difference.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, salmon king wants to know its stimming. So stemming
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: is Have you ever like you're you're trying to think
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: about something and you're focused on it, and it's a
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: little stressful trying to get to the conclusion that you're
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: trying to draw, and maybe you rub your chin with
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: your fingertips, or you find yourself scratching your ear, or
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: you're in a conversation with somebody that makes you nervous
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: and you discover that you're playing with your fingertips or
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: folding your hands together, cracking your knuckles, or that's stemming.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: It's it's basically a form of of tension release using
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: physical uh, physical motions and physical touch and stuff that
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: you know. As I'm as I'm trying to describe this
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: without notes that help me be accurate and clinical sounding.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: I'm tapping my fingertips together because nerves. But yeah, gin
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: Bottle says, I have what they call parallelia, uh, repeating
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: what I just said aloud in a whisper to myself.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: It's related to echolalia, which is basically just repeating what
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: you said right, or repeating what other people said. I
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: the thing with the cats that you know talk about.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: The cats will say meow, and I'll say, you don't
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: say I do that because if I don't, I feel
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: compelled to me out back at them, like the cat
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: says me out and I'm like, yeah, you know, like
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: it's just you know, And and I will repeat stuff.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: I'll say the same thing when I write an article
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: it's really bad. I'll write the article, and then I'll
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: read the article and then I'll realize it sounds like
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: the article was written by Mojo Jojo from shit. I
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: can't think of the cartoon, Oh, the Powerpuff Girls, Mojo Jojo,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: you know, would say the same thing over and over again,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: but he'd say it a bunch of different ways in
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: a row. And I do that all the time, all right.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: That's just and I it's not that I can't help it,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: it's that it happens when I'm not putting effort into
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: not doing it, you know. And you guys hear me
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: all the time throwing my adverbs, superfluous adverbs in basically
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: actually seriously literally, Like that's another one. So, no, I
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: do not have a cat suit a leotard. I don't
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: think it fits anymore. I bought it twenty years ago,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: so it probably doesn't. But I don't have a cat suit.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: So I do, however, have more article to read in
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: any case. Yeah, so away from the discussion of like
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: autism versus normalcy, yeah, I would say, you know, we
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: have our quirks and we have our hurdles. But the
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: thing that narcissists do that autists don't and vice versa.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: You know, that makes it important in that decision is
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: if you give an ast a job to do, and
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: you want them you ask them to focus on a
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: particular thing and get it solved, get it sorted. They
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: will latch onto that like a pit bull and never
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: let go until it is done. And if you give
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: that same task to a narcissist, they will make it
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: about themselves. They will whine and complain, they will blame
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: you for everything that goes wrong with it, and if
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: they don't get it done, they will have every excuse
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: in the book for why they couldn't and it'll be
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: your fault and they'll gaslight you over it. But in
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: any case, before I get into the article, I'm going
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: to go back through. I have some super chows and
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: some rumble rants. So Richard Bierre gave us five dollars
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: and said, seeing the reading over the criticism toward Kamala, yeah,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: I've seen some of that. I wonder just who will say,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: how dare you talk to or about a woman in
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: such a manner when some foreign government official doesn't properly
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: kowtow to her or kiss her ring to her satisfaction?
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: And what other ramifications will result from any perceived slate
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: by her. Oh yeah, wait until she goes to a
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: country where they don't don't think women should be involved
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: in politics, she will have to establish her masculinity real quick.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: Richard's Worth putting out that we were within an inch
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: of a timeline in which the next election would be
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: between Nikki Haley and Kamala Harris, and I know that
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: sounds awful, but that we were this close.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, and unless we.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: Show vigilance, we're going to get to that timeline at
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: one point where it's two women running for office and
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: everyone's celebrating, going, whatever happens, we're going to get the
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: first ever female president, and then everything's gonna.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Be, Oh, you don't understand women, You do not understand women.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: If it was a conservative woman against the liberal woman,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: the conservative woman would become the man of the two women,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you women in general. And then from the
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: perspective of conservative women, the liberal woman would become the
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: bad boy of the two women. So each woman would
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: experience what women do when they hate another woman. It
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: would be all out war. There would be no celebration
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: from from the opposing side that we had gotten the
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: first woman in office. There would be she doesn't represent women.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: We are embarrassed by her. She is horrible. How dare
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: you inflict this woman on our history. It would be hell.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: It would be absolute hell.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: A lot of this was predicted by Gerald Ford, of
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: all people in I think it was nineteen eighty nine.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: There's a clip that's surfacing now and someone asked him
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: about the possibility of the first ever female president, and
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: he said, when it happens, it will be because the
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: president is male and the vice president's female, and then
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: that president is going to die and the female vice
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: president will become president, and then you're all fucked, I
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: mean worse to that effect. That's kind of what gerald
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: Ford said, Once that happens, once a woman gets in,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: by default, everything's going to change. Yeah, he didn't he
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: didn't elaborate much on what he meant by that, but
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: I think what he meant was, once that happens, it's
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: it's it's Walter Wall, back to back female presidents until
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: the collapse of the empire.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, it's We're We're in We're in big trouble, really,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't know what's going to
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: happen either, because you know, there's there's a lot of
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: us that don't have any trust for what the outcome
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: is going to be. We don't have any trust that
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: the system is organic, and we don't have any trust
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: that what we see happening in front of us is
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: going to be unmanipulated and real. And that's a bad
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: place for the country to be in. And the people
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: that oppose, the people that oppose our doubts, have done
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: nothing to assuage them. We've had no reassurance. We've no
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: we've had. Shame on you for worrying, Shame on you
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: for thinking that way. We haven't had. Here's solid, irrefutable
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: evidence that you're wrong and you don't have anything to
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: worry about. And that's disturbing. It doesn't matter if we're
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: right or wrong. That is disturbing. That should never happen anyway.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: Richard Beer gave us another five dollars and said, look
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: what happened in Australia where all of the women took
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: a solidarity day off work, off of work at the
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: public transport railway company, and what happened some days later
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: when thirty seven male train drivers didn't show up for
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: work for a single day, and how long it took
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: to return to normal afterward. I would love to see
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: some news stories about that. I'm gonna have to look
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: into that now, because that sounds like an interesting incident
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: that I didn't hear about. But I know that if
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: the Union for Electrical Workers electricians and people who work
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: with electrical equipment that maybe aren't certified electricians but work
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: in you know, peripheral jobs to that if they took
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: a day off, the whole country would be fucked. And
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't even matter what type of power plant it was,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: whether it was the old fashioned coal plants and stuff
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: like that, or whether it was solar, whether it was
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: wind turbines, It wouldn't matter. You still need electricians. You
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: still need the people that do the direct work with
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: the machines and do all of the calculations and do
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: all of the making sure the gauges are right and
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: nothing is going wrong. And if you don't have those
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: people and something goes wrong in one place, it can
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: it can really screw up a shitload of things. Richard
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: Beier gave us five more dollars and said, I forgot
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: to mention the feminist snow plowing priority scheme in Sweden
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: and how well it worked. It worked out to prioritize
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: the residential areas in the schools and day care facilities
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: to be cleared before the major thoroughfares became getting children
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: to date, the daycare was so important when the entire
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: city is paralyzed from being snowed shut. Yeah, what are
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: you gonna do? You take your kids to daycare and
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: then you what go to work? Well, you can't do
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: that because the main thoroughfares are still snowed over. That
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: is really stupid they did that. Huh wow wow. So
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: then we had in norumble. Oh, I see, and Wowie
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: gave us a dollar and said, Kamala is a succubus.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: She consumes a certain amount or certain output from powerful men,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: and she grows more powerful, then grows more powerful. And
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: then Oi see and Wowie gave us another dollar and said,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: I sadly find myself talking like Mojo Jojo when I
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: have to refer to multiple concepts that are ambiguous in
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: specific context. Yeah, I can see that. I hate it
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: because no one speaks clearly and I can't understand them.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah I could. I could go off for an hour
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: about that. Actually, just just the fact that if I'm
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: in a conversation, this is one of the reasons why
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: I do lossy in person. Right If I say exactly
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: what I mean about something. People try to figure it
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: out or paraphrase it in and they're inaccurate, and then
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: they react to something I didn't mean and didn't say,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: and it starts an argument. Right if I say, you know,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: if you leave the door open, the cat will come in. Well,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't say I was letting the cat in. Well
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't say you were letting the cat in either,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: But if you leave the door open, he'll come in.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: That's just what he does. It's not about you, and
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: it's not about the the intent. It's about the cat's behavior. Like,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: didn't accuse you of anything, but you have to be careful.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: If you leave the door open, the cat will come in.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: Like that conversation should have taken two sentences. If you
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: leave the door open, the cat will come in. Okay,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: I'll watch out for that, Like that's all it takes. Right,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: That kind of conversation happens at my workplace all the time,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: where you know, I will say the dishwasher doesn't get
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: the dishes clean unless it has soap in it, which
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: nobody should have to actually be told. But millennials and
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: consumers don't know that, and somebody will be like I
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: got the dishes clean. I'm not a bad worker. I'm
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: not feel like I didn't say that, Like you absolutely,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: you know, have to have a soap packet in the
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: dishwasher when you started, you did the job, but it didn't.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: It doesn't get all the dishes clean if the soap
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: packet isn't in there, So you just have to look
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: and see if there's one in there. Half the time
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: there is. But that conversation shouldn't need to happen. You
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: just the dishwasher won't get the dishes clean if I
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: don't make sure there's a soap packet in there. Okay,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: I'll double check, duh, Right, that's it. It seems easy
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: to me, like it seems like really easy to me
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: to have those conversations, but until I talk to other people,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: and then as soon as I talk to other people,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: that vanishes and everything becomes intly complex. And it's worse
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: when I take things that people say to mean what
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: the words that they have uttered mean like that, all
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: hell breaks loose when I do that. So, yeah, that's
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons that my it was my
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: colleagues actually that we're like, you need to talk to
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: your doctor. About possibly being autistic. That was that was
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: how I figured it out. But anyway, so let's see
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: we have that is all of our super chats, and
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: I think that is all of our super chow. So
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: I will get back to the article for a minute.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: We were at, yeah, the ninety six percent figures. So
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: we'll go through another paragraph here and then it'll be
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: nine o'clock and I'm gonna call it. Susan B. Anthony
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: opposed letting women in Washington State vote on the suffrage
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: question in eighteen seventy one, claiming that women's condition of
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: servitude made them unable to see the issue clearly. So
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: what did she say there? Women are too dumb decide
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: whether or not women want the vote. Literally, women are
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: too dumb to decide whether or not women should have
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: the right to make decisions, big decisions. Who should be
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: running the country, who should be deciding who gets drafted
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: and who doesn't. Women can make those decisions, but they
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: can't make the decision whether or not they should make
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: those decisions. Can Can somebody explain to me the logic
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  Speaker 1: of that.
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  Speaker 2: People cannot trusted to make their own decisions, that's.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: But they can be trusted to make everybody else's.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: That That sentiment has uh has dominated a great deal
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: of politics of the over the last huge centuries, and
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: no one ever really delineates the difference between stupidity and intelligence.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: They've tried with things like i Q. As we've discovered
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: quite recently, people people with mid i q s are
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: actually more susceptible two total bullshit than than people on
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: the left. You'll y'all will have seen the meme of
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: the of the Bell curve. The people in the middle
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: are the people who volved for the for the propaganda,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: far more than than the idiots or the geniuses. UH.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: For all our talk of supporting the middle class when
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: it comes to intel diligence, the last people you should
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: be putting supporting other middle class. We call them midwits
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: because because there is this sort of connection. There's there's
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: people who don't understand what words mean.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: UH.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: Those are the idiots. There's people who think words mean everything,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: like like, if we say this word means that, then
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: that's all it can possibly mean and that's the end
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: of the story. And and and then there's there's high
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: i Q people who are like, no, h, a word
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: doesn't create reality. A word this reflects reality, that's supposed
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: to be the one we should we should we should
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: argue the case of of what is and is not real,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: and we doing our best with the words we have
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: available without ever saying no, this must mean that because
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: because this word is that and that. And I imagine
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: this is how the whole suffragette system took place. It
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: was mid wits who've decided what words mean, telling stupid
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: people what words mean. And I guess it works for
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: the for the most part. Now, maybe that's because there's
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: a certain difference in men and women. There's this certain
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: mental blockage where you don't you don't answer the question
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: in terms of what is true. You answer the question
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: in terms of what will make me popular and it
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: it could be said that women fall for this modern men. Now,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: I know that sounds sexist and misogynists and what have you,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: but it's true. But it is quite true, and I
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: don't know how to elaborate it from their Collectivism seems
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: to be a trapping that affects women more, and individualism
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: is trapping that affects men more. Now that doesn't mean
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: one is right and the other is wrong. Collectivism and
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: individualism are both important when it comes to not just
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: human society, but the individual human spirit itself. And I
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: don't know. I guess maybe the reason we've been drawn
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: into such collectivist insanity is connected to help guin eccentric
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: society has become over the last one hundred years. But
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I'm I'm just a crazy mra
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: on the internet.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: Well, I think part of the problem is men will
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: evaluate information to side what they think of something, and
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: they will adjust their feelings accordingly. Women will look around
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: them at how everyone else is reacting and they will
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: decide how they feel about something, and they will adjust
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: their thoughts on the subject accordingly. And what you end
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: up with then is that men will trust their conclusions
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: about something, and even if they feel at risk, if
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: their knowledge tells them this is going to work, they
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: will go forward with it. But women, even when their
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: knowledge tells them, when the real facts in front of
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: them tell them that something is safe, if they don't
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: feel safe, they won't go forward with it. And even
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: when the information in front of them tells them something
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: is not safe, if they feel safe, they will go
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: forward with it. And so you have this situation where
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: men will vote for for politicians whose platforms indicate a
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: tendency to give men control over their destiny, right, and
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: they'll vote for men who intend to improve the country
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: in ways or protect the country in ways that will
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: allow the men in the country to just live their
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: lives and do their thing and take charge of themselves.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: Women will vote for men or women who promise them
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: safety nets, who promise them collective I don't know, defense,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: collective approval, a sense of safety. They would rather feel
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: safe than be safe, And then we'll vote for people
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: who will make them feel safe, even when they know
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: damn well those people are not going to make them
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: be safe. And that screws everything up. And what that
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: does is it results in an increase in bureaucratic power
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: over time, because the best way to promise women's safety
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: is to promise them that the thing that they're afraid
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: of is going to be handled by someone else and
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: they don't have to worry about it, Whereas with men,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: the best way to promise men's safety is to promise
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: them that you're not going to get in their way
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: when they try to protect themselves and fix the problems
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: that they face in their lives. Right, So you end
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: up with more and more departments and agencies dedicated to specific,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: you know, oddly specific things in government, and you end
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: up with more and more comedians making jokes about oddly
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: specific departments and agencies like the Ministry of Silly Walks
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: right that, that have no real purpose. But in reality,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: those those types of ministries and those types of departments
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: and agencies are designed to get politicians elected by making
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: women feel safer than they really are. And they'll do
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: it at other people's expense too, which is why we
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: have this oversized, overgrown, over zealous, and over consuming welfare
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: system that is draining the coffers and the the future
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: of the United States right now. But but yeah, condition
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: of serviaty. The thing that that struck me about this though,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: is what's be Anthony said here is that people who
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: are too stupid to make their own personal decisions to
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: decide whether or not they are qualified to do something,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: to decide whether or not something is in their interest,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: should have the right to decide what taxes you should pay,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: whether or not you know the country should go to war,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: what regulations should be placed on your interests and your devices,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: your land, your community. By voting I called Kamala Harris
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: at bimbo the other day. But this this Trump's that,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: this is this is some bimbo dipshit talk right here,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: opposing women in UH voting on the suffrage question because
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: they're not smart enough to decide whether or not they
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: should have that power. But they're smart enough to have
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: that power. And it would be different if she was
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: opposing women's voting rights, and she said that that would
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: be consistent. But this is some bullshit. That referendum would
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: have been a huge defeat for the suffragists. Sarah Josepha Hale,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: the editor of Godfrey's Ladies Book and author of Mary
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: Had a Little Lamb, wrote that for one woman who desires,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: there are fifty who disapprove. Suffrage. Leaders Anna Howard, Anna
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: Howard Shaw Sorry, and Ida who staid Harper and Harriet
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: Stanton Blatch objected to a proposed referendum in New York
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: for New York women in nineteen ten. When the anti
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: suffragist Minnie Bronson visited California in nineteen eleven, she proposed
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: that women themselves should be allowed to decide suffrage by vote.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: The suffragists declined the offer again, so they didn't. They
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: didn't want women's consent, and they didn't want women voting
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: on whether or not women should have the vote. So
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: even the suffragists, even the suffragists, thought women shouldn't vote
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: when it was important to them what the outcome of
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: the vote would be. Do I how many times do
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: I sythesize that? Are people not like? That's huge information?
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: We hear all the time about how sexist it is
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: all women shouldn't vote. Oh, you're sexist, you're sexist. Why
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: are you mad that women shouldn't vote? Well, you're only
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: mad because you don't like that they're voting for something
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: other than the outcome you want. But when it was
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: women pushing for women to get the vot, vote, the suffragists,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: I will repeat, the suffragists thought women shouldn't vote when
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: the outcome of the vote was important to the suffragists.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think he could conclude on a better note
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: than that. That pretty much encompasses the entire argument right
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: there between the suffragists and the anti suffragists. So with that,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: I'm going to read my last superchow and then we
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: will close out the show. Richard Beier gave us five dollars,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: and said, the suffrage question is sounding like an elitist
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: plot to stuff ballot boxes. By having voters function the
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: same way as shares of stock in a publicly traded company, bingo,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: you win the prize. The voting shares are one vote
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: per share and not per shareholder, So someone can fill
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: out ballots by proxy for the registered voters instead of
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: each voter filling the ballot themselves. It begins to look
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: rather dystopian, after all, wire is there so much opposition
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: to voter identic identification or verification that the actual registered
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: voter is the one filling out their own ballot with
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: a traceable chain of custody and no unobserved middle people
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: or unguarded ballot storage locations. Excellent comment, And that's that's
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: just it. The less documented voting is even even if
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: you don't know, even if you can't publicly document that
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: person A voted for candidate B, I know you can
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: document that this ballot between when it was cast and
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: when it was counted was known to be person ase
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: ballot signed by and filled out by person A until
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: it was counted, And then we don't reveal who it
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: was for who voted for whom to the public and
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: still have the secret ballot. But voting was a lot
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: more secure, honestly, when you had to go up on
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: a stage and hold up a card that said who
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: you were voting for and everybody could see. Even though
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: people could be pressured to change their vote based on
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: popular opinion, you at least knew that when the authorities
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: said this, many people voted for this, that it was true.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: So well that I'll thank my two co hosts for
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: sticking out the long and wandering sausage with me. Thanks
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: to everybody for listening both to the regular subject matter
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: and the autist conversation, and thanks to everybody who works
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: in the background to make hrv Argan this conversation. That
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: that's true, that's true. I guess that makes me a
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: professional artist. Well, it's it's just one letter off from
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: from what I once thought I wanted to be.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: In my accent is much the same artist artist. Maybe
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: the coincidence is.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: Yep, there we go. That's funny, because you know, I'm
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: I hang out with a community of artists, actually two
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: community of artists, and in both communities, some of the
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: most talented artists are at opposite ends. Of the spectrum
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: from each other. They're either autistic or they have severe
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: attention deficit disorder. But in any case, thanks everybody for listening,
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: and again thanks everybody who works in the background and
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: make h bar talk happen. Goodn Idol, see you next Thursday,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: See you next Thursday, and we will also I think
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: Brian's back on Tuesday, so we will also see you Tuesday.