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William Henry on Sacred Symbols, Ancient Mysteries, and Secret Knowledge · The Occult Rejects

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Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What's going to happen?
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Speaker 2: What I.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Occult Rejects, where we step beyond
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Speaker 1: the boundaries of conventional history and investigate the symbols, mysteries,
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Speaker 1: and forbidden questions that continue to shape the human imagination.
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Speaker 1: Our guest tonight is William Henry, an author, television presenter,
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Speaker 1: and investigative mythologist who has spent more than three decades
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Speaker 1: exploring hidden connections between ancient civilizations, sacred art, mystical Christianity,
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Speaker 1: gnostic teachings, human consciousness, and the mystery of spiritual transformation.
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Speaker 1: William is widely recognized for his appearances on the History
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Speaker 1: Channel's Ancient Aliens, where he also served as a consulting producer,
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Speaker 1: as well as for his work on Gaia through programs
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Speaker 1: such as The Awakened Soul, The Law Science of Ascension,
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Speaker 1: are Kanaum and Ascension Keepers. Across his books, lectures, television
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Speaker 1: work and international presentations, he has followed a remarkable trail
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Speaker 1: through the temples of ancient Egypt, the imagery of medieval cathedrals,
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Speaker 1: the teachings of the scenes a Gnostics, and the recurring
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Speaker 1: traditions surrounding stargates, resurrection, transfiguration, and the human body of light.
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Speaker 1: At the center William's work is a question that may
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Speaker 1: be more urgent today than ever before. What is the
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Speaker 1: true potential of the human being? As artificial intelligence, biotechnology
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Speaker 1: and transhumanism promised to transform humanity from the outside, William
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Speaker 1: asks whether the ancient mystery traditions preserved another path, a
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Speaker 1: transformation from within in which consciousness, spirit, and the human
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Speaker 1: body become instruments of awakening rather than machines waiting to
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Speaker 1: be replaced. Tonight we are going to go. We are
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Speaker 1: going beyond the television screen and directly into the symbols, stories,
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Speaker 1: and sacred technologies that have defined William Henry's life work.
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Speaker 1: We will explore ancient Egypt, mystical Christianity, the light body, ascension,
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Speaker 1: not human intelligence, and I'm sure a bunch of other things.
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Speaker 1: But before we introduce him, let me introduce the other
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Speaker 1: rejects that have joined me today. Eric, Thank you so much,
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Speaker 1: very happy to see you here, sir. Please let everybody
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Speaker 1: know what is up with you and all your amazing work.
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Speaker 3: Thanks nick Ethan William. It's good to see you guys.
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Speaker 3: I'm really happy to be here, and I'm excited for
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Speaker 3: what will definitely be a really interesting conversation. You can
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Speaker 3: find me online on YouTube at Eric Arcadian. I just
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Speaker 3: dropped a new episode of my show Music, Myth and Magic,
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Speaker 3: or you can grab a copy of my book Fluid Condensers.
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Speaker 1: Awesome, and thank you very much for megan it, sir.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it and my man Ethan Indigo or Indigo
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Speaker 1: as some people call you, know.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway you say it. I'm excited to be here
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Speaker 4: for all this, all you've explored on universal ascension, William,
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Speaker 4: if you will, and I'm a writer authors well, great
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Speaker 4: to be here with both of you, guys.
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Speaker 2: Eric and Nick. Nick, that was the dopest.
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Speaker 1: Introduction I really try.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, great introduction.
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Speaker 4: Thank you, and I'm on all the usual social media
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Speaker 4: and i appreciate people reaching out with communication. So again,
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Speaker 4: great to be here.
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Speaker 2: With you guys.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Always appreciate when you jump on Ethan and
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Speaker 1: bring your perspective and questions. William Henry please, sir, very
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Speaker 1: excited to have you here. Can you please let the
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Speaker 1: people who may not know who you are, what your
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Speaker 1: deal is and where they can find anything you'd like
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Speaker 1: to promote.
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Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you. Yeah, so great to be here
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Speaker 2: talking with you guys. Thank you very much for your time.
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Speaker 2: My name is William Henry. My website is I am
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Speaker 2: William Henry dot com. You can find all my social
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Speaker 2: connections there, information about my latest book, The Psychedelic Christ,
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Speaker 2: as well as with the content that I've recently put up.
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Speaker 2: You'll find the star Walker Cafe there, which is really
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Speaker 2: the repository for like twenty years of postings that I've done,
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Speaker 2: as well as some videos as well.
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Speaker 1: Oh that is great, all some stuff. So, I guess
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Speaker 1: for the listeners and people who really don't know much
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Speaker 1: about you, I myself don't kind of really know the backstory.
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Speaker 1: But if maybe you can give us a little bit
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Speaker 1: of an idea of like, how did you even find
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Speaker 1: yourself getting into this area of work and investigation? Right?
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Speaker 2: Well, I started. I was in college in nineteen eighty two.
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Speaker 2: I had moved from Detroit to Nashville, where I lived
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Speaker 2: for forty years. I was I'm a musician. I planned
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Speaker 2: to be an entertainment lawyer, and I found myself at
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Speaker 2: this small Southern Baptist college in Nashville that offered an
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Speaker 2: entertainment music business program, so getting ready to go work
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Speaker 2: on Music Row or Hollywood or whatever. But the catch
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Speaker 2: was you had to take Bible study classes. And I
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Speaker 2: knew nothing about the Bible as an eighteen year old.
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Speaker 2: I like to say than in our home the four
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Speaker 2: apostles were Waylon, Willie, Christ, and Johnny and church was
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Speaker 2: Johnny Cash Records on Sunday morning and Colorado Magazine in
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Speaker 2: the afternoon. I mean, the just had no connection to
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Speaker 2: it at all. But because I'm at this Baptist college,
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Speaker 2: we had to say Bible study classes. And in my
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Speaker 2: sophomore year, a professor assigned us to go to the
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Speaker 2: local bookstore, find a new book, a contemporary book whose
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Speaker 2: implications would impact Christianity, and write a three page review. Well,
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Speaker 2: this is nineteen eighty two. There's an international best selling
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Speaker 2: book called Holy Blood, Holy Grail, and the premise of
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Speaker 2: the book is that the crucifixions a hoax. Jesus and
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Speaker 2: Mary Magdalen are married, they have children. There's a tiny
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Speaker 2: hilltop village in southern France called Rendal, the Chateau where
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Speaker 2: they stashed all their secrets. The church knows all about this.
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Speaker 2: They exterminated as many as a million people called Cathars
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Speaker 2: in southern France in the thirteenth century in the First
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Speaker 2: European genocide, to keep this knowledge from gaining any currency.
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Speaker 2: And I wrote a forty four page review. I was hooked,
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Speaker 2: and I was flunked too. The professor said, you believe
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Speaker 2: this crap, and I'm like, well, you know, I don't
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Speaker 2: know anything about Christianity. I read this book. I'm really
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Speaker 2: interested in this subject. It's lit me up. I wrote
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Speaker 2: a forty four page review and he's like, yeah, it
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Speaker 2: was supposed to be three, right, And so they basically
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Speaker 2: invite me to go continue my education elsewhere. I'm not
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Speaker 2: appropriate for asking appropriate questions for a Southern Baptist college,
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Speaker 2: and so I did. I left. I became an autodidact
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Speaker 2: and spent the next ten years endlessly researching in a
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Speaker 2: disciplined way, focused on mostly the gnostic mysteries, early Christian history.
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Speaker 2: What do you mean humans can turn into angels and
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Speaker 2: there's this ascension process and all these kinds of ideas,
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Speaker 2: And then I started writing books professionally in nineteen ninety
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Speaker 2: one and not looked back since. So that's I don't know,
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Speaker 2: thirty five years.
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Speaker 1: That is awesome. I like that, it's really interesting. I
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Speaker 1: guess maybe you know, I've even realized myself recently as like,
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Speaker 1: you know, I would consider myself a cultist or a
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Speaker 1: ceremonial magician, but I did originally sought off as a
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Speaker 1: Christian kind of you know, at some points Catholic, but
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Speaker 1: mainly a Christian. And lately I have been like, really
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Speaker 1: really interested in a gnosticism because it really just makes
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Speaker 1: whole of Christianity's history just seems so much more richer
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Speaker 1: and interesting. So there's like a side of it like
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Speaker 1: I don't even think most people realize.
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Speaker 2: Well they don't, and you know, part of the reason
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Speaker 2: why is because it is still relatively new culturally speaking.
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Speaker 2: The Gnostic Gospels aren't discovered till nineteen forty five, and
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Speaker 2: Knackamati Egypt Dead Sea Scrolls a couple of years later
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Speaker 2: in Kumaran. We're still just a couple of generations that
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Speaker 2: really are wanting to understand these Gnostic Gospels, look at
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Speaker 2: Christianity through a fresh lens, through an actual historical lens
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Speaker 2: rather than a religious lens, and try to make out
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Speaker 2: what exactly were they talking about back then, and what,
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Speaker 2: you know, how come we we only now nineteen hundred
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Speaker 2: years after the religion really is consolidated. This is now
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Speaker 2: the time when we start to get access to some
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Speaker 2: of this knowledge and information.
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Speaker 1: I agree, and I think it's great. But yeah, I'm
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Speaker 1: wondering now because of that. I mean, maybe that's why
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Speaker 1: I do have an affinity still for I guess Christianity,
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Speaker 1: even though I'm consider myself a ceremony imagician, but very interesting.
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Speaker 2: Jesus was a magi too.
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Speaker 1: Oh see, that's how I look at it as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, come on, you know, one of the
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Speaker 2: early images that I locked onto was Jesus raising Lazarus
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Speaker 2: from the dead with the magic wand in his hand.
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Speaker 2: What's that? It turns out there's a whole prehistory for
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Speaker 2: that that it was a branch made from the Tree
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Speaker 2: of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden. It's exported out
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Speaker 2: of Eden, it's passed along a family bloodline. Jesus gets
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Speaker 2: a hold of it and lo and behold, it's this
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Speaker 2: incredible instrument of transmutation. All the miracles of transmutation bread
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Speaker 2: into wine, loads of fishes, raising Lazarus were all performed
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Speaker 2: with this magized one. And then all of a sudden
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Speaker 2: they give rid of it in the fourth century. You
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Speaker 2: never hear any talk about it again, And I'm like, hey,
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Speaker 2: wait a minute, I want to know about that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen some stuff like that. It's really interesting.
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Speaker 1: Not to keep going on the topic, we'll get to
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Speaker 1: something else, but uh, it's really interesting when you look
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Speaker 1: at some of For me, I've looked at some of
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Speaker 1: the art that might have been, like, you know, very
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Speaker 1: old in certain areas, and you start seeing Jesus depict
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Speaker 1: it very differently than how we have him now, like
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Speaker 1: very more esoteric. He's got a wand in his hand.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes he even looks so keep it really looks androgynous,
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Speaker 1: like he just yeah, oh that too, yeah that too, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: Like he just doesn't look the same as he's depicted
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Speaker 1: now in his acts.
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Speaker 2: No, I think those are images of younger Jesus, perhaps
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Speaker 2: because then that the face gets codified early early on,
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Speaker 2: by the fifth century, they knew exactly what Jesus looked like.
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Speaker 2: The icon of Christ Pantocrat or at Mount Sinai clearly
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Speaker 2: shows exactly the same face as that on the Shroud
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Speaker 2: of Turin, which many people believe is the actual resurrection
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Speaker 2: shroud of Christ. And it establishes early on that they
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Speaker 2: did have an idea of actually, what do you actually
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Speaker 2: look like you?
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Speaker 1: What is your opinion on that shroud?
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Speaker 2: Having experienced it twice within my feet of it twice
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Speaker 2: in Turin, both in twenty ten and twenty fifteen when
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Speaker 2: it went on display, I think I go along with
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Speaker 2: what Pope Francis said. It's an icon of love. And
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Speaker 2: in Catholic speaking, icon is a very specific term. It's
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Speaker 2: a two way mirror, it's a two way method of communication.
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Speaker 2: It's a it's a conduit. It's not a static piece
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Speaker 2: of art, it's not a relic. An icon is very
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Speaker 2: specific Catholic speak for engaging with an avatar through a
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Speaker 2: mirror that happens to be a work of art. And
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Speaker 2: the idea is that this art work of art is
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Speaker 2: a living image. An icon is capable of transmitting the
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Speaker 2: vibration of the resurrection through the shroud. This is something
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Speaker 2: the Church doesn't like to admit, but they're moving in
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Speaker 2: this direction when they call it an icon of love.
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Speaker 1: Just I can't remember. There was somebody I covered a
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Speaker 1: long time ago. I think they were like either a
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Speaker 1: philosopher or occultist or something where I think they had
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Speaker 1: a problem with the church because they were against like
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Speaker 1: he pulled down all his stuff out of his room
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Speaker 1: and would not have any pictures of anybody or any icons.
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Speaker 1: And they actually had a problem with him doing that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't remember who it was that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this whole idea of icons, it's an important story.
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Speaker 2: I think as an artificionado or historian. The first Christians
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Speaker 2: didn't have books per se. They had papyruses, they had
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Speaker 2: scrolls written on lambskin or other things, but they were
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Speaker 2: art driven. And the Gnostics in the Corpus from Medica,
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Speaker 2: and there's an expression the image will show us the way.
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Speaker 2: And what this meant was that the image itself is
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Speaker 2: the gospel, that the image can speak to us at
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Speaker 2: an energetic level as an avatar, the ascended Christ has
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Speaker 2: the ability to transmit his vibration through the image, especially
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Speaker 2: those where you get eye to eye, soul to soul contact.
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Speaker 2: And I found that to be so fascinating. And that
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Speaker 2: explains why when Islam came onto the scene, they called
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Speaker 2: the early Christians a bunch of idle worshiping hillbillies, telling them,
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Speaker 2: you know, y'all are worshiping these works of art, and
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Speaker 2: that's idolatry. In Islam, we don't make any works of art.
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Speaker 2: And they destroyed all of the earliest Christian works of art.
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Speaker 2: And this was a tragic loss in my opinion, because
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Speaker 2: the primary piece of imagery that the first Christians work with,
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Speaker 2: of course, the transfiguration images, where Jesus morphs into a
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Speaker 2: plasma state. What we think of as a plasma state
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Speaker 2: is face shines like the sun, as clothing becomes bright
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Speaker 2: as white light. And the idea was is that as
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Speaker 2: you're contemplating and meditating, reflecting on the icon of the transfiguration,
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Speaker 2: your body knows how to do this and it's kickstarting
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Speaker 2: this of yourself manifesting this light body.
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Speaker 1: I could be wrong because you said something plasmid just now,
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Speaker 1: Wasn't there possibly Gnostic sex that even were questioning if
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Speaker 1: he was ever even in the form or if he
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Speaker 1: was just spirit or something like that too? Right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure was the Cathars. Well, first the Gnostics questioned this,
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Speaker 2: and then of course the Cathars in the thirteenth century
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Speaker 2: believed the same thing. They had this conception the Gnostics did,
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Speaker 2: and so did the later Cathars. It's a similar teaching
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Speaker 2: not identical, that this world that we live in is
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Speaker 2: an imitation world, it's corrupt, it was created by rex Mundy,
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Speaker 2: the king of the world. And there was no conceivable
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Speaker 2: way in the Gnostic or the cath Our mind that
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Speaker 2: a divine being like Christ could manifest in a physical
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Speaker 2: flesh and blood form in this layer of reality, in
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Speaker 2: this realm of matter. Therefore, he couldn't be crucified either,
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Speaker 2: and so that was their reason for saying that, And
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Speaker 2: of course their whole motives parenda was how do we
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Speaker 2: exit from this layer of creation? How do we escape
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Speaker 2: this this fake world? And of course what we're talking
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Speaker 2: about here is the foundation for modern simulation theory. It
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Speaker 2: maps onto it directly, but the Gnostics and the Cathart's
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Speaker 2: we're thinking about this for millennia before modern computer theorists.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my opinion. The matrix. It's all a gnosticism.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly exactly, But there's an exit from the matrix.
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Speaker 2: And this is something I don't know if they really
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Speaker 2: explored enough in those films, this idea that we can
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Speaker 2: transform or transfigure and connect with our with source reality,
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Speaker 2: with our true divine light self, and ultimately exit or
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Speaker 2: ascend from from this realm, this layer.
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Speaker 1: It does have that aspect of it, Eric or Ethan,
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Speaker 1: did anyviews have any questions before we keep going? And I
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Speaker 1: want to say anything, I got, I got.
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Speaker 3: I want to piggyback off the icon thing because my
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Speaker 3: mind is spinning go with that? So well, is it
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Speaker 3: more with the icons? Is it more tied to the
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Speaker 3: item itself? Or is it just the image? Like if
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Speaker 3: I print an image that's the same as one of
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Speaker 3: these icons, does I have the same effect energetically?
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Speaker 2: I think it does have the same effect. And my
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Speaker 2: presentations went, I'll put up some of these icons on
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Speaker 2: the screen in a darkened room. People are suddenly going, whoa,
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm linking, I'm connecting, and they get I
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Speaker 2: call it a transmission to download from the image. Because
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Speaker 2: the idea is is while the image is curated, the
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Speaker 2: artist has gone into meditation and prayer, focusing on the
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Speaker 2: creation of the canvas, focusing on the paints or pigments
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Speaker 2: that are involved in some way, trying to channel and
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Speaker 2: divine light into the medium itself. The idea is is
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Speaker 2: that Christ as the avatar or any other avatar as
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Speaker 2: that state of being, has the ability to transmit their
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Speaker 2: vibration or image through the painting. So I think it's
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Speaker 2: kind of a combination of both. But I think it
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Speaker 2: works whether the image is on a computer screen of
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Speaker 2: your phone screen, or if you printed it and it's
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Speaker 2: on the wall or on your desk.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I could see that working the same.
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Speaker 1: I also think just when it comes to like certain
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Speaker 1: stuff I've even looked into, for I guess, ceremonial magic,
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Speaker 1: which I do think some would tie over sometimes just
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Speaker 1: even I guess the being told the idea and what
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Speaker 1: you believe it to be when you have that and
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Speaker 1: then looking at the image really makes a connection.
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Speaker 2: So totally agree placebo effect is an important part of it,
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Speaker 2: without a doubt.
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Speaker 1: And again I'm not knocking Christianity when I say this
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Speaker 1: a narcissism or whatever it was back in the day,
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Speaker 1: But even when they used to do baptismals, from what
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Speaker 1: I looked into, they seemed very big with the art
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Speaker 1: to kind of give you ideas of what you're really
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Speaker 1: going through and experiencing when you do that baptism. And
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Speaker 1: I think that really kind of like hits people harder
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Speaker 1: before they do it. Do you do it?
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Speaker 2: It does maybe it's hard for some of us to
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Speaker 2: imagine that in our era where we're oversaturated with images
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Speaker 2: online and on computers. But back then, let's say a
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Speaker 2: thousand years ago, you go into a cathedral that's lit
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Speaker 2: by candle light, and you go up to the altar
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Speaker 2: and there's this image of Christ transfiguring into light, and
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Speaker 2: you can only imagine the magic the potency of such
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Speaker 2: an image. The Mystic Lamb by John Benyke is another
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Speaker 2: good example of they that's considered the most controversial, most
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Speaker 2: stolen painting of all human history, and it portrays this scene,
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Speaker 2: this Edenic scene with the lamb being on top of
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Speaker 2: an altar or with a cross beside it and a
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Speaker 2: gathering off these saints and angels. And the idea was
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Speaker 2: that as you're looking at this painting while the mass
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Speaker 2: is conducted, you're to visualize yourself participating in what's happening
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Speaker 2: in the painting. It's not a static image. It's something
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Speaker 2: for you to inject your own imagination into and to
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Speaker 2: participate in. And of course, again that's something we don't
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Speaker 2: even think about today watching TV and things like that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very well, said, thank you, Ethan. Did you
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Speaker 1: have anything or to put you on the spot.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you'd probably get into this. But I
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Speaker 4: wonder if they're with say the Tibetan rainbow body and
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Speaker 4: the innumerable meditation processes that they teach, and maybe have
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Speaker 4: different interpretations or layers of teachings through these on the
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Speaker 4: way to that idea. I wonder if you've found or
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Speaker 4: been able to gleam any meditation instructions from any of
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Speaker 4: the Gnostic texts, whether they're overt or implied.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know. In fact, I'm glad you bring
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Speaker 2: up the rainbow light body and the Padma Sambaba teaching
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Speaker 2: because that's actually where I started to understand or first
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Speaker 2: heard this concept that Padma Sambaba is this rainbow light
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Speaker 2: body guru can transmit the vibration of the rainbow light
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Speaker 2: body through the image. I was up at the Ruben
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Speaker 2: Museum in Manhattan and they happen to have a recreation
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Speaker 2: of the doll what they call the Dali Lamas Secret Temple.
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Speaker 2: It once existed behind the Potala Palace and Lasa in Tibet,
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Speaker 2: and this is where the Dalai Lamas went to learn
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Speaker 2: about the rainbow light body. And this room isn't very big.
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Speaker 2: It's say twelve feet feet fourteen feet in diameter. It's circular,
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Speaker 2: and it's only composed of images of beings manifesting the
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Speaker 2: rainbow light body. And the idea is that this is
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Speaker 2: how this teaching is transmitted. Yes, there's meditations. It's so complicated.
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Speaker 2: It's mind blowingly complicated the process for attaining the rainbow
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Speaker 2: light body. But yet it's utterly simple in its first steps.
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Speaker 2: The idea that you're linking with the Guru through the
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Speaker 2: image and allowing Padma Sambaba to enter consciousness and to
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Speaker 2: begin to transfigure you.
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Speaker 4: Beautiful, that's amazing. You got to visit.
20:15
Speaker 2: Oh, it was so cool, absolutely amazing. And of course
20:19
Speaker 2: Papa Sambaba is considered the second Buddha. He was a
20:22
Speaker 2: master of space and time. And this is why it
20:25
Speaker 2: gets so incredibly complicated. And this is something I've thought
20:28
Speaker 2: about a lot in relation to ancient aliens and the
20:31
Speaker 2: ancient astronaut theory. This idea that we've been visited in
20:35
Speaker 2: the ancient past, and my specialty started to evolve into
20:39
Speaker 2: these avatars that have the ability to borrow a star
20:42
Speaker 2: trek term to beam themselves through the cosmos. This is
20:45
Speaker 2: the rainbow light body principle that once you dissolve your
20:49
Speaker 2: physical flesh and blood body into your true flesh, the
20:52
Speaker 2: rainbow light body, you can then project or quote unquote
20:55
Speaker 2: beam yourself to another world and phase back into another
20:59
Speaker 2: physical flesh blood body if you would choose to do so.
21:02
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, yeah, that'd be my route for traveling
21:06
Speaker 2: the cosmos. We're not going to get very far in
21:08
Speaker 2: a rocket ship or a Bisos rocket or anything like that.
21:11
Speaker 2: You know, we might get to the Moon or Mars,
21:13
Speaker 2: but all the good stuff far far beyond that. So
21:17
Speaker 2: how do we do it? And the Tibetans come in
21:19
Speaker 2: with an answer based on their tradition, And what's so
21:23
Speaker 2: cool about it that always stuck with me is that
21:25
Speaker 2: they tell us that this rainbow light body teaching is
21:28
Speaker 2: taught in thirteen star systems, including our own, with beings
21:33
Speaker 2: coming and going from all these various star systems manifesting
21:37
Speaker 2: in this level of existence in this body is rainbow
21:40
Speaker 2: light body.
21:43
Speaker 4: And Panma Sambava. Is this amazing very much to Hooty
21:48
Speaker 4: wisdom teacher, that, as you said, crosses space and time.
21:52
Speaker 4: What are the not the relics but the wisdom teachings
21:55
Speaker 4: that he has left in all these different coordinates that
21:58
Speaker 4: he has psychic visits to people in tib to find. Yeah,
22:04
Speaker 4: if half of those are true, it's just mind boggling.
22:07
Speaker 2: It sure is. And you mentioned to Hoodie. In my
22:10
Speaker 2: own personal experience, I match them up more with Patah
22:14
Speaker 2: Sambaba is phonetically the same as Patama Sambaba, and they
22:18
Speaker 2: essentially are doing the same thing. And when you put
22:20
Speaker 2: the Egyptian images of Padma Sambaba in the in the
22:24
Speaker 2: crossed garment as the Egyptians called it, next to Petah,
22:30
Speaker 2: the similarity is really striking. And I think that there's
22:35
Speaker 2: there's definitely a worthy parallel to compare as I've done,
22:38
Speaker 2: and I'm sure others have done it too. The images
22:41
Speaker 2: of Patah or Osiris in his resurrection body virtually interchangeable
22:48
Speaker 2: with the Tibetan rainbow light body imagery. And in fact,
22:52
Speaker 2: that's how it started with me. Is I was. I
22:55
Speaker 2: was at a UFO conference in like two thousand and six,
22:57
Speaker 2: and this couple comes up to me and they say
23:00
Speaker 2: that they work for the Dalai Lama. They have PhDs
23:03
Speaker 2: from Harvard Divinity School. Their specialty is the Tibetan rainbow
23:06
Speaker 2: light body, and they tell me that my work in Egypt,
23:11
Speaker 2: with the arcs of the millions of years, the ship
23:13
Speaker 2: of eternity, of the perfected ones and the Egyptian tradition
23:17
Speaker 2: answered for them a question about the rainbow light body
23:19
Speaker 2: that the Tibetans wouldn't answer because they didn't know the
23:23
Speaker 2: answer or because it was secret. And my response was,
23:28
Speaker 2: what's a rainbow light body? And they give me a
23:31
Speaker 2: really quick introduction to it, and that launches me on
23:34
Speaker 2: this whole line of research to incorporate this really incredible teaching.
23:40
Speaker 2: The great Perfection or rainbow light body is a way
23:44
Speaker 2: of running parallels through other traditions, including Christianity, the Resurrection tradition,
23:49
Speaker 2: and the Egyptian star walking tradition. It's all the same
23:54
Speaker 2: teaching and none of it is specific to those traditions.
23:57
Speaker 2: It's not Christian, it's not Egyptian Cosmic. It's taught taught
24:02
Speaker 2: in a bunch of places, maybe even thirteen star systems,
24:05
Speaker 2: including our own.
24:10
Speaker 1: That's amazing, Ethan, Eric, did you have anything? I was
24:16
Speaker 1: actually going I think maybe we'd stay on the Christianity.
24:19
Speaker 1: But now since you went back kind of to Egypt.
24:21
Speaker 1: I did have a few questions on you anywhere. Sorry, no, no,
24:24
Speaker 1: You're totally fine. No, totally fine. I felt thank you.
24:28
Speaker 1: I was gonna skip questions from Egypt and go into Christianity.
24:31
Speaker 1: But since we're back to Egypt, you know that works.
24:34
Speaker 1: Do you think the pyramids were meant to like transform
24:37
Speaker 1: people spiritually rather than simply kind of honor the debt
24:40
Speaker 1: as we're told, they're kind of like you know, for
24:41
Speaker 1: that reason.
24:42
Speaker 2: I totally believe that, And that just goes back to
24:45
Speaker 2: the ancient Egyptians themselves. Mark Laner is a very well
24:49
Speaker 2: known mainstream Egyptologist. He always quotes I. E. S. Edwards,
24:53
Speaker 2: who was one of the first to British authors to
24:56
Speaker 2: write books about the Pyramid, and he wrote one called
24:58
Speaker 2: The Complete Pyramid, and he said that the original Egyptian
25:02
Speaker 2: hieroglyph for the pyramid meant instrument of ascension or place
25:07
Speaker 2: of ascension. And I fundamentally believe that that's true. That
25:11
Speaker 2: when you couple that that hardware of the pyramid with
25:14
Speaker 2: the software of the pyramid text that tells about the
25:17
Speaker 2: transfiguration of the king into lightning and the portals and
25:21
Speaker 2: gateways into the heavenly realms opening for the king. It
25:24
Speaker 2: suggests to me that that is exactly what the pyramid
25:28
Speaker 2: was used for. It was perhaps it facilitated that that transfiguration.
25:33
Speaker 2: Perhaps it was used as a as a portal or gateway.
25:36
Speaker 2: We don't know for sure, but wow, we're certainly living
25:40
Speaker 2: in a time where that Geza sphere is coming alive,
25:45
Speaker 2: and it seems to me as if it's getting ready
25:47
Speaker 2: to cough up some major major revelations.
25:51
Speaker 1: You think, you think all that stuff that's going on
25:53
Speaker 1: over there, with the stuff that they found underneath, you
25:55
Speaker 1: think that's gonna gonna make it big eventually.
25:59
Speaker 2: I hope. So. I was initially incredibly skeptical about it.
26:03
Speaker 2: I thought it was ridiculous, that's good, and then just
26:07
Speaker 2: kept listening, kept an open mind about what they were saying,
26:11
Speaker 2: and looked at the evidence that they provided, especially around
26:14
Speaker 2: the Osiris shaft, and comparing the stars technology that we're
26:18
Speaker 2: talking about with what is actually on the ground in Giza,
26:22
Speaker 2: and that started me to move the needle. I was
26:25
Speaker 2: again initially like this, I moved to here, and now
26:27
Speaker 2: I'm more like this and waiting for the next step.
26:30
Speaker 2: Can't wait to see the next revelation. It's going to
26:33
Speaker 2: be really fascinating to see where this goes.
26:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll admit when I first came across that stuff,
26:41
Speaker 1: I was a little skeptical, and then I happened to
26:43
Speaker 1: have the I was lucky enough to where I ended
26:45
Speaker 1: up going to a cosmic summit in twenty twenty five
26:47
Speaker 1: and I met the scientist and since I had a
26:49
Speaker 1: press pass, I was able to do like even a
26:51
Speaker 1: private interview with them in another room where we all
26:54
Speaker 1: got to ask them questions. And I have to say afterwards,
26:57
Speaker 1: I was a lot more impressed, you know, being able
26:59
Speaker 1: to even see them and talk to them and hear
27:01
Speaker 1: them explain everything.
27:03
Speaker 2: You know, I totally agree. I mean, Philippa Bondi, what
27:06
Speaker 2: a gentleman, super nice guy, very humble. There's just nothing
27:10
Speaker 2: about the ego that I was able to detect there.
27:13
Speaker 2: In fact, it was funny. I did a talk with
27:16
Speaker 2: them last summer at the Gaia Sphere in Colorado for Gaya,
27:22
Speaker 2: and I was talking about what I call the Osiris device,
27:25
Speaker 2: which I think is a lost piece of ancient Egyptian
27:27
Speaker 2: resurrection technology. And I come off the stage and philipp
27:31
Speaker 2: A Bondi and ourmindo may are standing there with these
27:34
Speaker 2: giant smiles on their face to beat me. Philip has
27:38
Speaker 2: got a phone in his hand and he's like, we
27:40
Speaker 2: found we saw this scan and we didn't know what
27:43
Speaker 2: it was, and we just realized watching your presentation that
27:46
Speaker 2: that's the Osiri's device that we were looking at in
27:49
Speaker 2: this scan. So I'm going to see him again in
27:51
Speaker 2: a few weeks and I'm looking very much forward to
27:53
Speaker 2: circling Batman them and seeing, Hey, you know anything more
27:57
Speaker 2: about the Osira's device or what's going going on with
28:00
Speaker 2: with all of this.
28:02
Speaker 1: That is awesome. That's great that you'll be able to
28:04
Speaker 1: It was so cool. It really was good stuff. Yeah,
28:09
Speaker 1: I always feel myself, I've always thought that those pyramids
28:12
Speaker 1: were something of more like like a stargate, like you said,
28:16
Speaker 1: or maybe like this may sound like silly, or maybe
28:18
Speaker 1: I just don't know a better way of answering saying it,
28:20
Speaker 1: but like almost like projecting your soul to somewhere else,
28:23
Speaker 1: you know, and like maybe it was fine tuned to
28:25
Speaker 1: go to a certain area.
28:27
Speaker 2: Absolutely, because what you're hitting on there, I think is
28:29
Speaker 2: one of the really vital points about this and that
28:32
Speaker 2: and that I think a lot of people get a
28:34
Speaker 2: little off track. You mentioned stargate. We all kind of
28:37
Speaker 2: cut our teeth on that movie nineteen ninety six. You know,
28:41
Speaker 2: these guys Kurt Russell taking a nuclear missile through a
28:44
Speaker 2: stargate to another planet. Really no, I mean anything you
28:48
Speaker 2: read about stargates in the ancient world, including the Pyramid,
28:52
Speaker 2: is that there's a transformation of the human before that
28:55
Speaker 2: journey is made. The physical flesh and blood body is
28:59
Speaker 2: transmuted into a form that can make that journey. It
29:03
Speaker 2: will never ever, I don't think. And let's yeah, I
29:07
Speaker 2: can't imagine the technology can do this, that can really
29:10
Speaker 2: make the flesh and blood body go through the gateway.
29:13
Speaker 2: All of the ancient texts describe that we transfigure it first,
29:18
Speaker 2: then we go through the gateway.
29:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome, I dig it. I'm definitely done with that theory.
29:25
Speaker 1: Did any of you have anything before? I keep going?
29:30
Speaker 1: All right, When you study when you study the Sahu,
29:34
Speaker 1: the Ka and the bad, do you see metaphor or
29:37
Speaker 1: ancient map of consciousness? If I even said those correctly.
29:41
Speaker 2: I do. My logo is Sahu or Oriyan and we
29:47
Speaker 2: see him. This is from Sarcophagus Maripatah, one of the
29:51
Speaker 2: sons of King SETI. I had just fun backstory. I've
29:56
Speaker 2: been to each of thirty four times, and the first
30:00
Speaker 2: and fifteen times I would go, I would make a
30:02
Speaker 2: bee line into the Old Egyptian Museum in Cairo to
30:07
Speaker 2: the Maripita sarcophagus, and I try to get in there
30:10
Speaker 2: to get a photo of Sahu on the Ship of
30:14
Speaker 2: Eternity looking back holding a star, which the Egyptian said
30:18
Speaker 2: was also a gate. And I ultimately made that my logo.
30:23
Speaker 2: I've changed it just a little bit so it's more mine.
30:27
Speaker 2: But my point is is that that logo of Sahu
30:30
Speaker 2: on the arc of the millions of years, when I
30:32
Speaker 2: first looked at that in nineteen ninety eight, I thought
30:34
Speaker 2: that looks exactly like the way modern science portrays a wormhole.
30:38
Speaker 2: And they used to laugh at me in Egypt about that.
30:42
Speaker 2: Here's that guy. He thinks the ancient Egyptian gods the
30:44
Speaker 2: ship of Eternity as a wormhole. And I'm like, yeah,
30:47
Speaker 2: but what if they had that level of consciousness? What
30:49
Speaker 2: if this is what we're talking about here? I mean,
30:51
Speaker 2: everybody over here, all my colleagues are like the stones
30:54
Speaker 2: and Bones types, you know, how did they lift those blocks?
30:57
Speaker 2: How did they move those pyramid stones, how did they
30:59
Speaker 2: build a And I'm like, why did they do that?
31:02
Speaker 2: They did it so that they could enter into this
31:05
Speaker 2: higher state of consciousness and being they called Sahu or
31:09
Speaker 2: Orion or the perfected Ones and so forth. And so
31:14
Speaker 2: I started just to work with all the symbols of
31:16
Speaker 2: that logo, the arc of the millions of years, the
31:19
Speaker 2: Uahs scepter and the meaning behind that, and ultimately the star,
31:23
Speaker 2: and I think you're absolutely right it is I put
31:27
Speaker 2: it this way, my logo, that logo, that image of
31:31
Speaker 2: Sahu on the arc with the rod and with the
31:33
Speaker 2: staff and the star, distills what thirty five hundred four
31:38
Speaker 2: thousand years of ancient Egyptian metaphysical belief into a single image.
31:44
Speaker 2: I think that's what we're dealing with. It's like an
31:46
Speaker 2: icon and you click on that image and here comes
31:49
Speaker 2: this incredible ancient science of transformation.
31:54
Speaker 1: And it's almost like spiritual alchemy. Maybe in a sense
31:57
Speaker 1: it really is.
31:58
Speaker 2: And I think we're living in a time now. Like
32:01
Speaker 2: I say, I can look at the arc of the
32:04
Speaker 2: millions of years and say it's a wormhole. I think
32:06
Speaker 2: we're looking at a time and now we're living at
32:08
Speaker 2: a time now where we can we're returning to that
32:11
Speaker 2: level of consciousness that built the pyramids. I mean, we've
32:13
Speaker 2: gone through this period of many many thousands of years
32:17
Speaker 2: we can argue about how many, but a long time
32:21
Speaker 2: of being pretty ignorant, of having a lot of the
32:24
Speaker 2: secrets veiled from us. But now we're coming back into
32:28
Speaker 2: the light, so to speak, where we're able to comprehend, uh,
32:31
Speaker 2: what some of these mysteries are actually all about.
32:37
Speaker 4: William, you mentioned the sorry nick, what we're gonna say?
32:42
Speaker 4: You mentioned the symbol the stuff. If I'm not mistaken,
32:47
Speaker 4: I wonder if you might break that down a little bit,
32:49
Speaker 4: and and maybe by way of its combination with the
32:55
Speaker 4: ankh and the the jeed, is that of I see,
32:59
Speaker 4: they're in combination and frequently.
33:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, As you're mentioning that Ua scepter is a
33:05
Speaker 2: combination of the uas, the onkanjed, and these are the
33:07
Speaker 2: three primary symbols of Petah and also Osiris. You can
33:12
Speaker 2: think of it almost as like an all purpose Swiss
33:15
Speaker 2: army knife gadget for the ancient Egyptians. The Uas in particular,
33:21
Speaker 2: it looks the bottom of it resembles a tuning fork
33:25
Speaker 2: and I think that's ultimately what it is. When you've
33:29
Speaker 2: got Sahu or O'rian holding this staff in his hand,
33:33
Speaker 2: traveling on the arc of the millions of years from
33:36
Speaker 2: Earth to Orion, it's telling me that he is in
33:40
Speaker 2: resonance with the with the divine cosmos. The way I
33:43
Speaker 2: characterize it is the vibration that that represents is like
33:47
Speaker 2: take your take your greatest orgasm, and multiply it by
33:51
Speaker 2: x x x x x, and now you're coming close
33:54
Speaker 2: to the level of bliss in joy that these figures
33:58
Speaker 2: are in as there they're travellling the cosmos, and this
34:02
Speaker 2: is like a challenge for us is to bring that
34:04
Speaker 2: vibration up from within us, because I furthermore believe that
34:09
Speaker 2: there's an anatomical correspondence to that UAZNK and jet, and that,
34:13
Speaker 2: of course is our spinal cord. We're to recognize that
34:16
Speaker 2: our body itself is that resonance device, and we're to
34:20
Speaker 2: learn to activate it and to utilize it for the
34:24
Speaker 2: purpose it was designed as a transmutational device. And then
34:29
Speaker 2: that brings us to the tet pillar, the four arms
34:32
Speaker 2: of the tet, the backbone of Osiris. They call it
34:36
Speaker 2: the power pillar. Sometimes that maps directly onto the Christian Cross.
34:41
Speaker 2: That is the origin of the Christian Cross as an
34:43
Speaker 2: instrument of transmutation. And then up on top you'll sometimes
34:48
Speaker 2: see the ankh included with it, the unity of heaven
34:52
Speaker 2: and earth, the unity of male and female. This is
34:54
Speaker 2: like all these encoded principles that we're supposed to ultimately embody.
34:59
Speaker 4: I think, I like, that's that's a great thank you
35:05
Speaker 4: for sharing that. It's the vibration idea is very similar
35:09
Speaker 4: to the raising of chi, of course, and any number
35:12
Speaker 4: of other ways to look at it, but it really
35:14
Speaker 4: starts with a literal shaking inside the body.
35:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. That that quaking and shaking that everybody's
35:23
Speaker 2: talking about and the tingling and all of that, Yeah, exactly,
35:26
Speaker 2: it's a visceral experience. It's a felt experience.
35:31
Speaker 1: I had another question maybe besides your your your logo
35:35
Speaker 1: with the symbol that you're using your logo, and because
35:37
Speaker 1: the question I had, everybody always thinks of the eye
35:39
Speaker 1: horse as like the biggest, you know, Egyptian symbol. Is
35:42
Speaker 1: there something that you think is symbol by them that
35:44
Speaker 1: gets kind of swept under the rug that people don't
35:46
Speaker 1: notice or know that you think is extremely important to
35:49
Speaker 1: know of another.
35:51
Speaker 2: Symbol, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, well definitely in Asian Egypt,
35:55
Speaker 2: the bread symbol symbolic of the manna, the star food.
35:59
Speaker 2: That is very important. But really, to me, the ultimate symbol,
36:05
Speaker 2: I think is the boat, the arc of the millions
36:08
Speaker 2: of years, just because it's our vehicle, it's our method
36:13
Speaker 2: of transportation. And I'm just really fascinated by the sci
36:18
Speaker 2: fi nature of the ancient mind. I mean, they thought
36:21
Speaker 2: like we do, but maybe sometimes had even crazier ideas
36:26
Speaker 2: than we have today based on our understanding of technology.
36:30
Speaker 2: And like an example, you know, relative to the boat.
36:32
Speaker 2: One of my favorite stories is from the Nordic tradition.
36:36
Speaker 2: Ski bloff Near is the name of the boat of
36:39
Speaker 2: the gods of Asgard, and they can fly around on
36:43
Speaker 2: this boat and bring their horses with him, and when
36:46
Speaker 2: they're done with the boat, one of the guys can
36:49
Speaker 2: fold it up and put it in his pocket, and
36:52
Speaker 2: when they want the boat again, he just unfolds it
36:54
Speaker 2: and the gods of Asgard off they go. And I'm thinking,
36:58
Speaker 2: who thinks about something like that years ago? You know,
37:01
Speaker 2: where's this coming from? I Mean, they surely they didn't
37:05
Speaker 2: witness this or did they or you know, where does
37:08
Speaker 2: this where's an idea like that come from? We've always
37:11
Speaker 2: thought in these sci fi terms, and I find it
37:15
Speaker 2: just incredibly fascinating to look at those stories and to
37:18
Speaker 2: think about what, ultimately where did they come from?
37:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've thought of that specifically. That's when you mentioned
37:26
Speaker 1: the arc. I think that's a very important symbol, just
37:30
Speaker 1: because well one for me, just ideas that I have
37:32
Speaker 1: about it, but too, like you were saying, you will
37:34
Speaker 1: see that idea throughout so many different beliefs and pantheons.
37:38
Speaker 1: There's got to be something heavy behind that. Yeah.
37:40
Speaker 2: And they almost always that the boat ultimately represents our soul.
37:44
Speaker 2: Our soul is an enchanted boat is the vehicle, and
37:48
Speaker 2: we hide it within. But the boat's always therefore And
37:51
Speaker 2: that's kind of a comforting message to me. It's like, oh, yeah,
37:54
Speaker 2: I do have one of these boats. I just stuck
37:55
Speaker 2: at my pocket forgot about it. But I can whip
37:58
Speaker 2: it out and utilize it at some point if I
38:00
Speaker 2: decide to, or I'm dedicated to it or whatever.
38:04
Speaker 1: I like that. Erica Ethan, did you guys have anything
38:09
Speaker 1: before I keep going?
38:11
Speaker 4: I got an add that it's like the boat has
38:14
Speaker 4: eight parts, which is always a phenomenon of correspondence.
38:18
Speaker 2: But Eric, please, well.
38:20
Speaker 3: I just got a curious question, right, So we talked
38:23
Speaker 3: about some of the iconography resembling a tuning fork a
38:28
Speaker 3: little bit. We talked about the idea of like frequency
38:30
Speaker 3: and vibration, and there's you know, there's a whole trove
38:34
Speaker 3: of people who believe that there were certain chambers in
38:38
Speaker 3: the Pyramids that were like used as resonance chambers with
38:42
Speaker 3: sound waves and stuff like that. So, William, do you
38:44
Speaker 3: think some of this like ascension actually requires tones and
38:50
Speaker 3: actual sound waves? Are we talking about vibration more on
38:54
Speaker 3: an energetic and spiritual level?
38:56
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's all levels really. I mean,
38:59
Speaker 2: in my ownunderstanding, the Egyptians use multiple technologies, tones, lights, plants,
39:07
Speaker 2: even psychedelic plants in this process ultimately to manufacture, if
39:15
Speaker 2: you will, to make a what they describe as a
39:18
Speaker 2: non molecular light body into which our consciousness can be deposited.
39:22
Speaker 2: We can travel the cosmos, because again, this physical flesh
39:24
Speaker 2: and blood body isn't going anywhere. It's made for this
39:28
Speaker 2: planet only, it's not going with us anywhere. And unless
39:34
Speaker 2: we turn ourselves into machines, and even then we're not
39:37
Speaker 2: going to get very far. And so the idea is
39:39
Speaker 2: we want to recognize this message the ancients were always
39:42
Speaker 2: telling us, is that this body's temporary, it's meant to
39:46
Speaker 2: be transformed. We got to learn to utilize it for
39:49
Speaker 2: the purpose that it was created, not just as a
39:51
Speaker 2: vehicle for incarnation and exploration while we're in this layer
39:56
Speaker 2: of creation, but ultimately it's our gateway into higher layers
40:00
Speaker 2: as well.
40:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, I dig that.
40:04
Speaker 4: So that I wonder if you've heard certain historical stories
40:10
Speaker 4: or observations of visitors to the Pyramid that described some
40:14
Speaker 4: kind of like human resonance, like vibration come as they
40:18
Speaker 4: approached the pyramid. Have you heard any stories of that?
40:21
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, And I mean I'm pretty sure. I don't
40:24
Speaker 2: know that much about enough about sound and frequency and
40:28
Speaker 2: the Pyramid's relationship to the earth, But you know, I've
40:31
Speaker 2: been in that King Chamber many many times and felt
40:35
Speaker 2: what I would consider to be the Shuman residence or
40:38
Speaker 2: the pulse of the earth, and maybe even heard it
40:41
Speaker 2: as well. If that's possible, if the pyramid would act
40:45
Speaker 2: is like a transducer so that I could then feel
40:48
Speaker 2: it and possibly even hear it. I mean, it seems
40:51
Speaker 2: pretty pretty logical and I think well founded in science
40:55
Speaker 2: that the Pyramid is some sort of a device that
40:58
Speaker 2: couples to the Earth, uses not only terrestrial energies or frequencies,
41:03
Speaker 2: but also cosmic ones as well, and unites them in
41:06
Speaker 2: this experience. And I really do believe that we're on
41:10
Speaker 2: the cusp of understanding the Pyramid more than any humans
41:15
Speaker 2: since the time the Pyramid was built. I mean, there's
41:18
Speaker 2: so many incredibly brilliant minds that are focused on it
41:21
Speaker 2: right now, and there just again seems to be this
41:24
Speaker 2: almost a destiny that the Pyramid has that it's time
41:28
Speaker 2: for it to quote unquote wake up again.
41:34
Speaker 1: I like that. Thank you, Uh, Eric Ethan, you guys
41:39
Speaker 1: both good. All right.
41:42
Speaker 2: Have you guys been to Egypt by the way.
41:44
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I want it so bad, especially after this,
41:47
Speaker 1: if they hearing all this, I'm like, oh God, I
41:49
Speaker 1: gotta go.
41:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of like a really great It's not
41:52
Speaker 2: just a trip of a lifetime. When you come face
41:55
Speaker 2: to face with it and you're feeling it yourself, it
41:57
Speaker 2: gives you an enhanced respective about it. Doesn't mean you
42:01
Speaker 2: can't understand it without going there, But there's just nothing
42:05
Speaker 2: like standing on that Giza plateau and realizing where you're
42:10
Speaker 2: at and what you're potentially looking at.
42:13
Speaker 1: Have you asked you go ahead?
42:16
Speaker 4: Did you ever go by yourself or did you always
42:18
Speaker 4: go with groups? And how much was traveling part of
42:23
Speaker 4: your autodidactic pursuits as you began that in the eighties,
42:27
Speaker 4: as you were describing earlier, Yeah, before the internet, self learning,
42:31
Speaker 4: before the internet for those I'm understating the obviously.
42:35
Speaker 2: Sorry, Yeah, yeah, I'm one of the ogs. I was
42:39
Speaker 2: there before the Internet and actually reading books and going
42:42
Speaker 2: to libraries and all that kind of stuff. But yeah,
42:45
Speaker 2: and traveling, I mean it's so vital, it really is.
42:49
Speaker 2: It unlocks things that a book can can take you
42:52
Speaker 2: so far, but when you get to a place and
42:55
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be even any place special. I
42:57
Speaker 2: encourage people that are doing research us on what's in
43:00
Speaker 2: your backyard. You know, just within probably three miles of
43:03
Speaker 2: where any of the listeners live, there's going to be
43:05
Speaker 2: some weird bit of symbolism somewhere, maybe in a cemetery,
43:09
Speaker 2: maybe in a store, maybe wherever, and you can start
43:12
Speaker 2: to embrace it there and still get into the energy
43:16
Speaker 2: of these mysteries really easily, and so yeah, the travel
43:21
Speaker 2: bit became very very important. I'm very privileged being able
43:25
Speaker 2: to have done as much travel as I have. I
43:27
Speaker 2: tend to go to the same place as over and
43:29
Speaker 2: over again. I'm just sort of a creature a habit.
43:31
Speaker 2: Southern France, England, Italy, Egypt, they just have called me
43:36
Speaker 2: and I just love all those places.
43:41
Speaker 4: So you have been there by yourself?
43:43
Speaker 2: To you, no, no, no, no, I have not been in
43:45
Speaker 2: the pyramid by myself. No.
43:48
Speaker 4: And do you recommend one or the other for people?
43:53
Speaker 2: You know? Sure, I mean not having not had the experience,
43:57
Speaker 2: I can't vouch for it, but I can't vouch for
43:59
Speaker 2: the group. Is There's just something about the dynamic when
44:04
Speaker 2: you're in the pyramid with a group. You might have
44:05
Speaker 2: someone with a particularly beautiful voice that or might have
44:09
Speaker 2: a deep baritone voice and suddenly that, granted, is just
44:12
Speaker 2: like resonating and better than I can do with my
44:15
Speaker 2: own voice. And I find that to be really a
44:19
Speaker 2: fascinating part of it, that each group is so different
44:22
Speaker 2: and the experiences might sometimes match the group. The first
44:29
Speaker 2: time I went into the pyramid, I really didn't know
44:33
Speaker 2: what I was doing. I mean, it was I'd been
44:36
Speaker 2: studying each of it's so overwhelming, so bewildering, you just
44:39
Speaker 2: kind of forget everything you've ever read when you're there
44:42
Speaker 2: because you're like, oh my gosh, I can't hardly I
44:45
Speaker 2: don't have a brain capacity to really take all of
44:48
Speaker 2: this in. But we're in the King's Chamber and we
44:51
Speaker 2: go to our meditation period. I close my eyes and
44:55
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I've got the blue Eye of
44:57
Speaker 2: Horus in my consciousness. It's at that moment that I realized, oh,
45:02
Speaker 2: wait a minute, I think that the eye of Horace
45:03
Speaker 2: could be like a consciousness component to the building itself.
45:08
Speaker 2: That the stone, the limestone, the granite, that that's the
45:12
Speaker 2: hardware of this incredible device or instrument, and maybe the
45:17
Speaker 2: Eye of Horus is the software. And I realized at
45:20
Speaker 2: that moment I was going to be spending a long time,
45:22
Speaker 2: like probably the rest of my life, trying to figure
45:24
Speaker 2: out what the heck was going on with the Blue
45:26
Speaker 2: Eye of Horus and my meditation in the King's Chamber.
45:31
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. I've heard a lot of blue light
45:35
Speaker 1: experiences with stuff like that. I think, like even Crowley,
45:40
Speaker 1: like not to bring him up, but like when he
45:41
Speaker 1: went to the pyramid, and I think he channeled the uh,
45:45
Speaker 1: the Book of the Law. I'm pretty sure he said
45:47
Speaker 1: at one point, like a blue light little I get
45:50
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of occultists and a lot
45:52
Speaker 1: of people where they have this blue light experience.
45:55
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. I mean, it's fascinating. I started on
45:59
Speaker 2: that path because because of my Eye of Horus research,
46:02
Speaker 2: I've learned about a physicist who said that, you know,
46:06
Speaker 2: if you're some super advanced civilization, you're not going to
46:09
Speaker 2: send out spaceships or maybe even probes to another planet.
46:13
Speaker 2: But what you would do is you might have some
46:15
Speaker 2: sort of an advanced technology where you could send out
46:18
Speaker 2: a light probe that could search for illuminated consciousness or
46:24
Speaker 2: enhance consciousness, and if that probe detects a consciousness, then
46:28
Speaker 2: it could open to the size of a wormhole where
46:32
Speaker 2: the person at the home planet could step through that portal,
46:36
Speaker 2: or someone at the visiting planet could also step through
46:39
Speaker 2: that portal. And this led into a Swami moup to
46:43
Speaker 2: Nanda described this blue light as the light of our soul.
46:46
Speaker 2: It comes from within the pineal gland. We can open
46:49
Speaker 2: it up. It can become a portal. I mean, it
46:52
Speaker 2: gets really really interesting that whole line of thinking around
46:57
Speaker 2: that blue light.
46:58
Speaker 1: So I agree with you something that was awesome. When
47:02
Speaker 1: you said blue light. I was like, oh, okay, yeah,
47:05
Speaker 1: that's awesome. Good for you.
47:07
Speaker 2: Yeah.
47:09
Speaker 1: Uh oh. You know one thing I did want to ask,
47:11
Speaker 1: only because i've I've heard I think it was Billy
47:13
Speaker 1: Carson said recently, And there was a time when I
47:17
Speaker 1: did cover a couple of places and I was just
47:19
Speaker 1: kind of going over like maybe the effects of being
47:21
Speaker 1: surrounded just by massive amounts of stone ken saw like
47:24
Speaker 1: even almost affecting your you know, the body in the
47:27
Speaker 1: sense he was saying that they're finding out now that
47:31
Speaker 1: like time might kind of actually go a little bit
47:34
Speaker 1: slower within the pyramid. Have you heard that?
47:38
Speaker 2: I have not. I mean that sounds like a really
47:41
Speaker 2: definitive scientific experiment that you could run that experiment. But yeah,
47:49
Speaker 2: seems like it could be possible.
47:51
Speaker 1: He had said something recently that it is an effect
47:53
Speaker 1: of old stone. I don't know, you know, I figured
47:55
Speaker 1: i'd ask you, okay, uh no, beg. I actually wanted
48:02
Speaker 1: to kind of go back, Oh you had mentioned France
48:05
Speaker 1: before I go back to what I wanted to get
48:06
Speaker 1: into Maybe we'll jump to that. What got you interested
48:09
Speaker 1: in go? You got into like a lot of symbolism
48:11
Speaker 1: with France? Correct? What got you? What got you pick
48:14
Speaker 1: France out of all places? I find that very interesting.
48:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, Holy Blood, Holy Grail, the Magdalen Trail, the all
48:22
Speaker 2: the Christian legends that Mary Magdalene brought the Holy Grail
48:25
Speaker 2: to southern France and Lazarus went to Marseille, and of
48:29
Speaker 2: course it's an extraordinarily beautiful place in the foothills of
48:32
Speaker 2: the Pyrenees when you're on the Magdalene and Cathar country.
48:34
Speaker 2: I became deeply interested in their story, so it just
48:38
Speaker 2: kept calling me back.
48:42
Speaker 1: I myself have been interested in France. I think I
48:45
Speaker 1: think people kind of sleep on that country as me
48:47
Speaker 1: in a country that has like some rich ocult maybe
48:49
Speaker 1: a history in art and stuff to it.
48:51
Speaker 2: Oh, It's it's incredible from north to south rosa Christian
48:56
Speaker 2: history there, and there's there's still two this day. There's
49:01
Speaker 2: even quote unquote forces that seek to suppress the mysteries
49:06
Speaker 2: of southern France. You know, of course it all got
49:08
Speaker 2: raked up with the Holy Bud, Holy Grail and then
49:10
Speaker 2: Da Vinci code. Just wow, transformed it into this mystic
49:16
Speaker 2: Disneyland practically for a decade or so. And now here
49:21
Speaker 2: we are settled back down, but the allure and the
49:25
Speaker 2: mystery continues.
49:28
Speaker 1: What was it that I guess maybe got you at first?
49:31
Speaker 1: Really it just like it really hooked you.
49:34
Speaker 2: You know. Part of it, of course, is the allure
49:37
Speaker 2: of treasure, you know, I mean, the gold of Solomon's Temple, oh,
49:41
Speaker 2: the Secret Books of Jesus, all of this. I mean,
49:45
Speaker 2: you know, I was one of those going to Rendles
49:47
Speaker 2: Chateau in the mid nineties with a treasure map, thinking
49:51
Speaker 2: I might be able to find the actual treasure here and.
49:55
Speaker 1: Indiana Jones stuff. At this point, that's I think.
50:00
Speaker 2: It's more of a consciousness type of a thing. Continuing
50:04
Speaker 2: to go back because you mentioned the Terma tradition earlier,
50:07
Speaker 2: Padma Sambaba hiding this knowledge in valleys and and uh
50:13
Speaker 2: in landscapes, and I thought, wow, this is what they're like,
50:16
Speaker 2: this is what they're talking about in southern France too,
50:18
Speaker 2: that maybe Mary Magdalene or Padma Sambaba or Jesus or
50:21
Speaker 2: somebody deposited this knowledge in the land. Because when I
50:24
Speaker 2: was first going there, I was involved with some not
50:29
Speaker 2: priestesses per se, but females that were very scholarly but
50:32
Speaker 2: very at the same time rooted in the land. So
50:36
Speaker 2: when I was first going there, they're like, you know
50:37
Speaker 2: what's really important or not the churches, it's the caves.
50:41
Speaker 2: It's the rivers, it's the lakes, it's the mountains, it's
50:45
Speaker 2: all those places. And I started to understand that that
50:48
Speaker 2: this the landscape itself is infused with this with this mystery.
50:53
Speaker 2: It's in the air, it's in the ground, it's in
50:55
Speaker 2: the grapes and the wine you drink, it's it's everywhere.
50:59
Speaker 2: And so when you're there, you're just really feeling saturated
51:03
Speaker 2: or imbued with with those mysteries.
51:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like how you mentioned caves. I find those
51:10
Speaker 1: very interesting just from like starting to look at certain stuff.
51:14
Speaker 1: Even a lot of like the I guess, like their
51:16
Speaker 1: theory or their pantheon, or their idea of like how
51:19
Speaker 1: the you know, the cosmos was made or wherever their
51:21
Speaker 1: living was made, even seems to be a little bit
51:24
Speaker 1: different than structures that are built above ground. You know,
51:27
Speaker 1: So I've even noticed some differences, and some of those
51:30
Speaker 1: seem older than the things that built but you know,
51:32
Speaker 1: than the structures above ground, so it makes you wonder, like,
51:35
Speaker 1: you know.
51:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows without a doubt, and that you know,
51:39
Speaker 2: it gets mysterious too because all the caves, especially in
51:44
Speaker 2: southern France, I mean, there's all these legends that they're
51:46
Speaker 2: actually inner earth opening.
51:48
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
51:49
Speaker 2: And this idea that you know, you're driving along you
51:52
Speaker 2: see this cave opening, you're like, where does that lead?
51:55
Speaker 2: And then you see these people walking around sometimes that
51:59
Speaker 2: you're like, you're not from around here type of thing,
52:02
Speaker 2: and you wonder, you know, is that actually true? And
52:04
Speaker 2: I think there's probably a lot of validity to it.
52:07
Speaker 2: I'm not splunker per se. You're not going to catch
52:10
Speaker 2: people in three miles into some cave somewhere looking for Shambala,
52:14
Speaker 2: but who knows, maybe it's possible.
52:18
Speaker 1: And just very interesting stories and ideas behind what they're
52:22
Speaker 1: used for and this and that I think this was
52:25
Speaker 1: actually this worked out great how we went into France
52:27
Speaker 1: and he kind of got into this perfect segue into
52:29
Speaker 1: what I wanted to get into next was what role
52:32
Speaker 1: does Mary Magdalene play in the hidden Christian tradition that
52:35
Speaker 1: you think isn't commonly taught or known.
52:39
Speaker 2: Well for certain I think what is not commonly taught
52:43
Speaker 2: or known, at least in my opinion and my assessment
52:46
Speaker 2: of the relationship between Jesus and Mary Magdalen. In her
52:49
Speaker 2: role after the Resurrection and ascension, I start to think
52:54
Speaker 2: of her as almost like the ringleader of the whole thing.
52:58
Speaker 2: She's running the show. She's she's the wife, she's Almadura,
53:02
Speaker 2: she's boss lady.
53:03
Speaker 1: She's even funding them, I think, right, she say, if
53:07
Speaker 1: you want to look at it that way.
53:09
Speaker 2: She's wealthy. She's yeah, she's the financier along with Joseph, Barymythia.
53:13
Speaker 2: They're both Joseph and Mary are both what are called mirapores.
53:16
Speaker 2: They're masters in sacred plants, plant medicines. They're making up
53:20
Speaker 2: all these oils, the resurrection oil. And then she is
53:23
Speaker 2: the one that carries on after the resurrection and ascension.
53:27
Speaker 2: And so for a long time I've really characterized Jesus
53:32
Speaker 2: is Mary Magdalen's daredevil test pilot here on you let's
53:35
Speaker 2: see if the oil works today, you know, And that's
53:40
Speaker 2: kind of not a common perception of Mary Magdalen, definitely
53:44
Speaker 2: not the Catholic perspective. But this is all starting really
53:48
Speaker 2: to evolve. I'm fascinated by what's happening in and around
53:52
Speaker 2: the area of Mary Magdalene. I've recently commented that I've
53:57
Speaker 2: been going to Renala Chateau in that area Mary Magdalen
54:00
Speaker 2: and country for thirty years. I've witnessed several different waves
54:04
Speaker 2: of Magdalene frequency rising studies.
54:08
Speaker 1: What have you?
54:09
Speaker 2: I mean? Back in the nineties, as I said, most
54:12
Speaker 2: of the women that I knew that we're studying this
54:14
Speaker 2: were very earthy, connected with the ground academic scholarly reading
54:18
Speaker 2: the books, but ultimately they want to get out onto
54:21
Speaker 2: the land. And then after da Vinci Code, it seems
54:24
Speaker 2: as if you get a whole spate of these fictional
54:27
Speaker 2: novels where the author is acting as if she is
54:30
Speaker 2: Mary Magdalen through her version of Mary Magdalen. But we're
54:33
Speaker 2: supposed to come back and understand that this fictional account's
54:35
Speaker 2: actually talking about her. And so we went through that phase,
54:39
Speaker 2: and now we're in the Instagram phase. We're in the
54:43
Speaker 2: influencer phase. They're all wearing these beautiful dresses, they're dressing alike.
54:48
Speaker 2: They're embracing this Goddess Magdalene frequency, and they're not really
54:54
Speaker 2: that concerned about being grounded either. In the land or
54:57
Speaker 2: in the texts, they're like, hey, we're down loading the
55:00
Speaker 2: new code. We're the new Mary Magdalen's. And it's profound.
55:05
Speaker 2: It really is, because it strikes me, why is it
55:09
Speaker 2: I mean to put a metric on it? For again,
55:12
Speaker 2: thirty years as that, I've been going to southern France
55:15
Speaker 2: and I started leading tours there in the early two thousand.
55:18
Speaker 2: There were there were maybe like fifty of us that
55:20
Speaker 2: annually would be leading these pilgrimages. Year. Last year, twenty
55:25
Speaker 2: twenty five, one of the Magdalen sites, I said, hey,
55:30
Speaker 2: we're putting together a directory of people that are offering
55:32
Speaker 2: Magdalen tours. If we want to be part of it,
55:34
Speaker 2: submit There were two hundred and fifty people that submitted.
55:38
Speaker 2: I wasn't one of them. And it suggests to me,
55:41
Speaker 2: if there's two hundred and fifty that actually went through
55:44
Speaker 2: us and are part of the director, there's probably five
55:46
Speaker 2: hundred that are now leading tours to this area, Magdalen
55:49
Speaker 2: themed tours, the Magdalen pilgrimage. It's it's like, it's incredible,
55:53
Speaker 2: And what it suggests to me is that if Magdalen
55:57
Speaker 2: is coming around, where's our abbie?
56:00
Speaker 1: You know?
56:00
Speaker 2: Maybe he's like somewhere on the periphery here, and there's
56:03
Speaker 2: getting ready to be some major happening in that regard.
56:06
Speaker 2: We're going to have all these dudes out here thinking
56:09
Speaker 2: they're Jesus dressing up in togas and sandals. Not you guys,
56:12
Speaker 2: of course, but not me. But is that what's coming next?
56:16
Speaker 2: Is it going to be an ignition of this christ consciousness?
56:21
Speaker 2: You know? And I always go back to the Dire
56:24
Speaker 2: Straits song, two men say they're Jesus, one of them
56:27
Speaker 2: must be wrong, So you know we're entering into this
56:31
Speaker 2: area that And I always advise people when you're tapping
56:34
Speaker 2: into this, you're probably not Mary Magdalene, You're probably not Jesus,
56:39
Speaker 2: but you could be a facet of that consciousness, right.
56:43
Speaker 2: And the idea is not to get hung up on
56:46
Speaker 2: who you might have been in a past life or
56:48
Speaker 2: past accomplishments. It's to look at, well, if Mary Magdalen
56:52
Speaker 2: and Jesus were around today, what would they be doing?
56:56
Speaker 2: Where would we find them? You know, where would it
56:59
Speaker 2: be with in the area of Ai would it be?
57:02
Speaker 2: Would they be mixing up oils?
57:03
Speaker 4: Again?
57:05
Speaker 2: Where would we find them? I don't have an answer
57:07
Speaker 2: I'm just throwing it out there as a hypothetical.
57:10
Speaker 1: Oh, well said, though I liked all of that. You uh,
57:15
Speaker 1: you think do you think like if her? I guess
57:18
Speaker 1: maybe if all that stuff that you just mentioned yourself
57:21
Speaker 1: would have been I guess accepted in the past, do
57:24
Speaker 1: you think it would have it would have changed the
57:26
Speaker 1: way Christianity or even the Catholic Church is now.
57:30
Speaker 2: There's no doubt. There's no doubt because the if, I
57:35
Speaker 2: mean if, instead of the Catholic Church becoming the Universal Church,
57:41
Speaker 2: if it had been the Jerusalem Church, the church that
57:43
Speaker 2: Jesus left to his little brother James and to Mary Magdalene,
57:46
Speaker 2: it would have been completely different. It would have been
57:48
Speaker 2: highly mystical, It would have been focused on transformation or transfiguration,
57:53
Speaker 2: and the sacraments would have been probably retained, and there
57:59
Speaker 2: are original form I just wrote a book called The
58:02
Speaker 2: Psychedelic Christ The Lost Dose of the Son of Man,
58:04
Speaker 2: where I investigated the original Christian sacrament. It seems to
58:08
Speaker 2: have been psychedelic or hallucinogenic before the Catholic Church substituted
58:13
Speaker 2: that with the wafer of bread and the grape juice,
58:17
Speaker 2: and when they celebrate the Mass and ask you to
58:20
Speaker 2: believe some magical process happens in your consciousness when you
58:24
Speaker 2: take that wafer and it magically trans substantiates into the
58:29
Speaker 2: bread or the body of Christ, and the grape juice
58:31
Speaker 2: turns into the Blood of Christ. That was not the
58:34
Speaker 2: original sacrament. The original sacrament seems to have been a
58:37
Speaker 2: cosmic substance that had psychedelic properties, among other things.
58:45
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Have you recently heard of like this stuff.
58:50
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know the silly question. I
58:51
Speaker 1: don't know if you know to Methy Hogan, is Scott
58:53
Speaker 1: Walter sure, if you've seen the work that they've been
58:56
Speaker 1: doing kind of with trying to like when I saw
58:58
Speaker 1: Scott Walter cosmics, he had said that they think that
59:01
Speaker 1: they might be able to be coming across Mary's bones
59:04
Speaker 1: eventually and stuff like that, or they're just you know,
59:07
Speaker 1: they seem to be they seem to be kind of,
59:10
Speaker 1: you know, I guess, pushing the gnostic stuff about Mary
59:12
Speaker 1: a little bit more. They find that they find that interesting.
59:16
Speaker 2: They have the interest in the Templars. They do a
59:19
Speaker 2: great job with that. Of course, Mary is revered by
59:21
Speaker 2: the Templars as the lady. Yeah, yeah, Harry Magdalene is
59:24
Speaker 2: so yeah, that that is definitely an aspect of that story.
59:29
Speaker 2: That's that's very important. And I yeah, the Templars are
59:33
Speaker 2: of course the subject I'm very interested in. I'm not
59:35
Speaker 2: as tightly focused as as those guys are, but I
59:38
Speaker 2: think it's very fascinating to follow them around.
59:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, not just uh, just wondering
59:45
Speaker 1: like if they might kind of like start like maybe
59:48
Speaker 1: kind of help getting the idea out more even now
59:51
Speaker 1: in the future.
59:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, again, I'm all for grounding this
59:59
Speaker 2: incredible resurgence of the Magdalen frequency in some sort of
1:00:05
Speaker 2: history or into a mission. It seems like it's got
1:00:09
Speaker 2: to be focused somewhere. I mean, because again, you've got
1:00:11
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of women out there that are feeling
1:00:14
Speaker 2: this right now and tapping into it and maybe not
1:00:17
Speaker 2: quite knowing what to do with it. And I'm trying
1:00:21
Speaker 2: to sort of guide nurture and focus it and say, well,
1:00:24
Speaker 2: maybe we should go in this direction. Whether we got
1:00:26
Speaker 2: to recreate those oils of joy that Mary Magdalen was
1:00:30
Speaker 2: known to possess that can heal all known human disease,
1:00:33
Speaker 2: that's a pretty good place to start.
1:00:38
Speaker 4: I wonder if I might be pulling threads that are
1:00:42
Speaker 4: tangential together. But I wonder with the idea of the
1:00:45
Speaker 4: feminine healing and their healing, I wonder if there's a
1:00:51
Speaker 4: relationship with the sites between with healing and the waters
1:00:58
Speaker 4: as you described, Fran And I was thinking of the
1:01:02
Speaker 4: kind of anecdotal reports of the water in the Ossyrion
1:01:06
Speaker 4: having healing qualities, and I wonder if there's something to
1:01:13
Speaker 4: pure water or healing water to these various sites. If
1:01:17
Speaker 4: you've encountered that in France.
1:01:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt. This is the one of the
1:01:22
Speaker 2: primary Christian mysteries, is the mystery of the living waters.
1:01:25
Speaker 2: I mean, what are we talking about here?
1:01:28
Speaker 1: Is this some.
1:01:28
Speaker 2: Enhanced type of water? Is it cosmic waters? Is it
1:01:32
Speaker 2: the waters in terms of frequency and vibration. These are
1:01:35
Speaker 2: important questions because, of course, we some believe we've just
1:01:38
Speaker 2: now entered the age of Aquarius, the water bearer, when
1:01:43
Speaker 2: we're expected to be a wash in this higher frequency.
1:01:47
Speaker 2: Maybe a technological age as well, and perhaps a time
1:01:51
Speaker 2: where we really do focus on water and it's living element.
1:01:56
Speaker 2: Mary is the primary purveyor of this living water, and
1:02:00
Speaker 2: my tours we go down to lords, which of course
1:02:03
Speaker 2: is where the Mother Mary was seen as an apparition
1:02:06
Speaker 2: by an illiterate peasant girl, Bernadette Subaru eighteen fifty eight,
1:02:11
Speaker 2: and she opens up a healing spring of these living waters,
1:02:14
Speaker 2: and there's been over ninety documented miracles from these waters.
1:02:18
Speaker 2: That the Mother Mary infused these waters with some healing frequency,
1:02:24
Speaker 2: or perhaps there's a placebo effect here that people believe
1:02:28
Speaker 2: these waters are enhanced with some sort of healing frequency
1:02:31
Speaker 2: and the body is affected. These frequencies affect the matter
1:02:37
Speaker 2: of earth, life of the human body. And that became
1:02:41
Speaker 2: very fascinating to me because I believe that if Mary
1:02:44
Speaker 2: infused those waters that could heal the physical body, couldn't
1:02:48
Speaker 2: those frequencies also be used to activate the light body
1:02:51
Speaker 2: then as well? And so that's my premise when I
1:02:54
Speaker 2: take my groups down to lourds, is that, yeah, we're
1:02:57
Speaker 2: going there to do our laundry, We're going to wash
1:03:00
Speaker 2: our physical body in these living waters, but we're also
1:03:03
Speaker 2: there with the intention of washing our robe of light,
1:03:06
Speaker 2: our light body, our interior body, and recognizing that these
1:03:11
Speaker 2: the frequencies in those waters could could do both.
1:03:16
Speaker 4: Beautiful thank you.
1:03:18
Speaker 2: Oh thank you. Yeah, I love that.
1:03:21
Speaker 3: So I got a question at the beginning of the episode,
1:03:25
Speaker 3: you were talking about Jesus being a magician. I gotta say,
1:03:29
Speaker 3: I feel like Jesus was probably an alchemist too. And
1:03:33
Speaker 3: you just mentioned I think you said, the oils of
1:03:36
Speaker 3: joy from Mary Magdalen that were capable of James. And
1:03:40
Speaker 3: so that sounds like the Philosopher's Stone to me in alchemy.
1:03:45
Speaker 3: So is there a tie in there totally?
1:03:47
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, this is where he gets into wow,
1:03:51
Speaker 2: the heart of the whole thing. Yeah, Jesus is a magi.
1:03:56
Speaker 2: He can heal, and he has a magic wand that
1:03:59
Speaker 2: can do that. And when he's raising Lazarus, of course,
1:04:02
Speaker 2: he's tapping him right here on the third eye. And
1:04:05
Speaker 2: then that automatically leads into the interior world, into the
1:04:09
Speaker 2: pineogland as the Philosopher's Stone that secretes these oils and
1:04:14
Speaker 2: elixirs that put the body to sleep or awaken it,
1:04:18
Speaker 2: heal it, put it into states of ecstasy and joy,
1:04:21
Speaker 2: all the way up to producing dimethyl trip. To meine
1:04:23
Speaker 2: that opens portals or gateways within us. And that to
1:04:26
Speaker 2: me is the Philosopher's Stone, the grail stone, the stone
1:04:31
Speaker 2: that fell from heaven. It seems like it takes you
1:04:35
Speaker 2: into a labyrinth of all these misconnections or incredible connections,
1:04:40
Speaker 2: but ultimately it's driving us into the right place, which
1:04:43
Speaker 2: is inside of our body. That's where I think all
1:04:46
Speaker 2: the mysteries ultimately point.
1:04:49
Speaker 1: Fascinating, Thank you now. I've often have wondered that if,
1:04:55
Speaker 1: like if pineal gland activation might have something to do
1:04:58
Speaker 1: with like self healing.
1:05:00
Speaker 2: Oh sure, absolutely, every articles about this in the star
1:05:04
Speaker 2: Walker Cafe, mapping the oil of joy onto those secretions
1:05:09
Speaker 2: or excretions from the pineal gland, and they map directly.
1:05:13
Speaker 2: And it suggests to me that, yeah, that that makes
1:05:15
Speaker 2: more sense to me that as an alchemist, as a
1:05:18
Speaker 2: magi who's expert in the human body. I mean, Jesus
1:05:22
Speaker 2: is gonna He's gonna show us what the body is
1:05:24
Speaker 2: capable of doing with his resurrection and ascension. That why
1:05:28
Speaker 2: wouldn't he have taught us about the mystical functioning of
1:05:32
Speaker 2: our body and the properties of the pineal gland and
1:05:36
Speaker 2: its ability to create these secretions that ultimately can transmute
1:05:41
Speaker 2: the body into light, which to me is the ultimate
1:05:44
Speaker 2: goal of those studying the Philosopher's Stone to manifest the
1:05:47
Speaker 2: light body.
1:05:50
Speaker 1: And I like it. I love it. Any of you
1:05:53
Speaker 1: guys have anything. Oh, you know you mentioned before too.
1:06:01
Speaker 1: That's another person that I think a lot of people
1:06:03
Speaker 1: kind of forget about. He was, I think, kind of
1:06:07
Speaker 1: very important about which direction Christianity even went.
1:06:12
Speaker 2: Without a doubt. I mean, isn't it fascinating?
1:06:15
Speaker 1: I mean that I don't think these people haven't realize
1:06:17
Speaker 1: that at all.
1:06:17
Speaker 2: They don't think Jesus had brothers and sisters.
1:06:20
Speaker 1: He did.
1:06:22
Speaker 2: He had a little brother named James, and James was
1:06:25
Speaker 2: the one who inherited the Jerusalem Church, as I mentioned,
1:06:28
Speaker 2: and I got onto the James story. In twenty twelve,
1:06:31
Speaker 2: I wrote a book called The Judgment Data Device, which
1:06:34
Speaker 2: is about the Arc of the Covenant, and realized that
1:06:37
Speaker 2: the complete arc of the Covenant. When people think about
1:06:40
Speaker 2: the arc, they're often missing some of the components. But
1:06:42
Speaker 2: the early Christians understood all of the components of the
1:06:46
Speaker 2: arc of the Covenant, and they said that this arc
1:06:51
Speaker 2: throne would be recovered by a figure the scenes called
1:06:55
Speaker 2: the rain Maker. And it turns out Jesus, a little James,
1:07:00
Speaker 2: is the rain Maker. And I could never understand why
1:07:04
Speaker 2: he was why he had that title the rain Maker,
1:07:08
Speaker 2: And it had to do with this throne that he assembles,
1:07:11
Speaker 2: the arc throne. They call it the Edemasia in the
1:07:15
Speaker 2: Eastern Church, and because they still uphold this tradition of
1:07:19
Speaker 2: that Christ had a throne, the Edemaseiah, and that ultimately
1:07:24
Speaker 2: when Christ returns, he would be on that throne. And
1:07:30
Speaker 2: when you see Christ ascending and descending, though, he's always
1:07:33
Speaker 2: in a cloud. And then I got the pun that
1:07:37
Speaker 2: James is called the rain Maker because when his brother
1:07:40
Speaker 2: shows up, he brings the rain. He's flying around in
1:07:43
Speaker 2: a cloud and he brings the rain, the reign of
1:07:46
Speaker 2: higher frequency knowledge of Manna, whatever it is. And so
1:07:51
Speaker 2: I just became very intrigued and interested in the story
1:07:54
Speaker 2: of James. And imagine being, you know, the little brother
1:07:58
Speaker 2: of Jesus and having to live up to all of
1:08:00
Speaker 2: that and the responsibility and the head trip that that
1:08:05
Speaker 2: you must be experiencing when you're in this sort of
1:08:08
Speaker 2: financial family dynamic.
1:08:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a head trip, that's well said on that. Yeah, yeah,
1:08:15
Speaker 1: now that's yeah, You've gone into a lot of his stuff, correct,
1:08:17
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I have.
1:08:19
Speaker 2: I try to define as much as I can, just
1:08:22
Speaker 2: because part of my quest is really to try to
1:08:25
Speaker 2: remember what was that original Christian story all about they
1:08:29
Speaker 2: had oils, they had tools, they had what they might
1:08:33
Speaker 2: even think of as technologies. They were extremely wealthy. The
1:08:35
Speaker 2: story is so completely different from what you get from
1:08:39
Speaker 2: traditional Christianity today. But yet I still am feeling compelled
1:08:44
Speaker 2: after all these years of research to still try to
1:08:47
Speaker 2: get to the bottom of it.
1:08:49
Speaker 1: Awesome, I love it. Great stuff. Did any of you
1:08:55
Speaker 1: have anything you want to ask? Is it see? When
1:09:00
Speaker 1: it comes to consciousness? Why do symbols seem to affect
1:09:04
Speaker 1: us emotionally before we understand them intellectually. Why do you
1:09:07
Speaker 1: think or if that even happens.
1:09:09
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a sort of a magic in
1:09:12
Speaker 2: a way. A symbol distills all this knowledge that a
1:09:16
Speaker 2: symbol has frequency, it has vibration, accumulates meanings throughout time,
1:09:22
Speaker 2: and that's part of their allure and part of their
1:09:25
Speaker 2: power is that once you click on a symbol, you're
1:09:28
Speaker 2: able to track it throughout history, and that's tremendously empowering
1:09:33
Speaker 2: and enlightening to follow that path.
1:09:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree, especially when it's like remade over
1:09:42
Speaker 1: and over and over again. Are you're constantly seeing it
1:09:44
Speaker 1: over and over again, that really does impact you. I
1:09:46
Speaker 1: think a lot different yeah.
1:09:47
Speaker 2: I think. I almost sometimes think symbols must be like
1:09:50
Speaker 2: programmed into our DNA, and that's why we respond to
1:09:53
Speaker 2: them the way we do. They're like code, and it's
1:09:56
Speaker 2: part of the allure of trying to understand them.
1:10:02
Speaker 1: When it comes to when it comes to AI, what
1:10:05
Speaker 1: is your kind of thoughts with AI in the future
1:10:07
Speaker 1: for the listeners.
1:10:09
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this, writing about AI transhumanism since
1:10:13
Speaker 2: two thousand and two, so I've been about twenty four
1:10:17
Speaker 2: years now. And I used to be a real flamethrower
1:10:20
Speaker 2: about AI. I hated it and I thought it was
1:10:23
Speaker 2: demonic and evil and all these tech lords, tech giants,
1:10:27
Speaker 2: you know, the hell who are they? And then after
1:10:30
Speaker 2: twenty twenty my thinking started to shift. I mean, the
1:10:35
Speaker 2: AI genie came out of the bottle. There's no putting
1:10:38
Speaker 2: it back in the bottle. Yeah, right, the child is born,
1:10:42
Speaker 2: and what are we going to do? Kick it to
1:10:44
Speaker 2: the curb, kick at the face, or are we going
1:10:47
Speaker 2: to make an attempt to raise it correctly? And I
1:10:50
Speaker 2: find that all my early writing, and I've got fifty
1:10:53
Speaker 2: articles or more about it. You know, I'm just coming
1:10:57
Speaker 2: from this very angry and motional place around it. There
1:11:01
Speaker 2: was no logic. The logic started to creep in. As
1:11:04
Speaker 2: you can imagine, you study or talk about something for
1:11:06
Speaker 2: twenty years, you get different viewpoints, and it's just started
1:11:09
Speaker 2: to shift me and I got out of I mean,
1:11:11
Speaker 2: for twenty years, I built this kind of pure, perfect
1:11:14
Speaker 2: human pillar that we must remain organic in the face
1:11:18
Speaker 2: of transhuman technology. And I realized that's a false binary.
1:11:22
Speaker 2: You know, this is a teaching that says organic is good,
1:11:26
Speaker 2: technology is evil. That's not right, that's not logical, it's
1:11:30
Speaker 2: not scientific, it's not spiritual either. But yet this is
1:11:33
Speaker 2: the argument that I was making. And I finally got
1:11:36
Speaker 2: to the point where I realized that that's not a
1:11:39
Speaker 2: sustainable position. And part of the reason why is because
1:11:43
Speaker 2: I'm also as a student of history. I'm a student
1:11:46
Speaker 2: of technology and all of these technologies that have come
1:11:49
Speaker 2: along to assist us. And I realized that we have
1:11:52
Speaker 2: five thousand years of history that tells us, hey, our
1:11:54
Speaker 2: body is temporary and it's meant to transform. And maybe
1:11:59
Speaker 2: just because for five thousand years we've been writing about
1:12:03
Speaker 2: transformation in conjunction with tools like the chisel, like the pen,
1:12:09
Speaker 2: like the sword, like the atom bomb, like artificial intelligence,
1:12:13
Speaker 2: we keep upping our game, microscope, telescope. It's all widening
1:12:18
Speaker 2: our aperture and helping us to understand the universe that
1:12:22
Speaker 2: we live in that's not evil. And so maybe this
1:12:27
Speaker 2: technology is now before us to help us to understand
1:12:31
Speaker 2: who we are and what our next step is. And
1:12:34
Speaker 2: I don't go into the fear anymore of oh it's
1:12:36
Speaker 2: going to take us over, that there's this world elite
1:12:39
Speaker 2: that wants to harvest my soul.
1:12:42
Speaker 1: That's not happening, that's not possible.
1:12:46
Speaker 2: If you believe that you probably don't have a soul.
1:12:49
Speaker 2: That's kind of strong put it in those terms, but
1:12:51
Speaker 2: it's like, look, guys, you know you're focusing on the body.
1:12:55
Speaker 2: You know, if you're telling me I need to remain
1:12:56
Speaker 2: pure and organic versus AI and transhuman technology, what you're
1:13:01
Speaker 2: doing is actually freezing me at this level of evolution,
1:13:05
Speaker 2: as if this is the ultimate version of humanity. We've
1:13:08
Speaker 2: been on this planet three hundred thousand years, and you're
1:13:13
Speaker 2: telling me you want to stop our evolution at this
1:13:15
Speaker 2: exact moment when we could be getting ready to make
1:13:19
Speaker 2: this incredible leap forward because you believe that God or
1:13:23
Speaker 2: some god wrote a message in our DNA and that
1:13:26
Speaker 2: if we lose our body, if we lose this body,
1:13:29
Speaker 2: we lose humanity. What this is not me? Okay, this
1:13:35
Speaker 2: is an avatar, I navigate this layer of creation. Me.
1:13:40
Speaker 2: I am a soul inhabiting the body. I'm not a
1:13:45
Speaker 2: body maybe with a soul, you know, most scientists don't
1:13:49
Speaker 2: believe you have a soul anyway. And this is what
1:13:52
Speaker 2: I find running running through so many of these AI
1:13:55
Speaker 2: arguments right now, that it's evil, we got to remain
1:13:59
Speaker 2: organic and in all of these arguments, and I'm like,
1:14:02
Speaker 2: it's not adding up, you know, but we really truly are,
1:14:06
Speaker 2: I think, caught between these these two pillars, the one
1:14:09
Speaker 2: that says we got to remain pure and organic and
1:14:11
Speaker 2: the AI and transhuman one, and it's it's it's a
1:14:15
Speaker 2: hard place to be trying to simultaneously hold up the
1:14:20
Speaker 2: pass while at the same time we're trying to open
1:14:22
Speaker 2: a door into our future. And this is where we're
1:14:25
Speaker 2: at at this moment, and I think what this moment
1:14:27
Speaker 2: is calling for us to do is to step through
1:14:30
Speaker 2: this gateway and try to figure out what's our life
1:14:33
Speaker 2: going to be like once we're once we've transcended this
1:14:37
Speaker 2: this present circumstance that we're in. Once we're we have
1:14:40
Speaker 2: an understanding of AI and are no longer afraid of it,
1:14:44
Speaker 2: and all those sorts of questions.
1:14:47
Speaker 1: It was a great set. I think you made some
1:14:49
Speaker 1: really really good points with that. I was kind of
1:14:53
Speaker 1: like a little bit of the same way where I
1:14:55
Speaker 1: think I was a little bit more of kind of
1:14:57
Speaker 1: bought into the more of satanic panic idea about about AI.
1:15:02
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna be completely honest, Like you even said,
1:15:06
Speaker 1: it's here regardless. I mean, I'll put it this way.
1:15:09
Speaker 1: If we're being handed it now, it's been here for
1:15:13
Speaker 1: a minute, you know what I'm saying, Like we've already
1:15:16
Speaker 1: dropped the ball.
1:15:17
Speaker 2: You know, we're twenty five years behind, they say, right,
1:15:21
Speaker 2: for sure, I totally can verify. Yeah, this is all planned.
1:15:26
Speaker 2: There's transformation of humanity, without a doubt. It's planned. It's
1:15:30
Speaker 2: military driven. If it's military driven, it's probably et driven.
1:15:34
Speaker 2: And these are serious considerations. But the main thing to
1:15:38
Speaker 2: focus on is that I believe that the soul is
1:15:42
Speaker 2: more powerful than artificial intelligence, and we have to focus
1:15:46
Speaker 2: on that. The abilities of our soul to nullify the
1:15:49
Speaker 2: effects of it, to transcend it, to awaken what I
1:15:53
Speaker 2: refer to as our ascension intelligence, as the antidote to
1:15:56
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence. We can't just say oh, sorry, we lost
1:16:00
Speaker 2: you know, No, it's calling us to transform into into
1:16:04
Speaker 2: up our game.
1:16:07
Speaker 4: I think of this, Uh, there's this allegory of the
1:16:12
Speaker 4: scribe and the pharaoh, and the pharaoh wants a writing
1:16:16
Speaker 4: system and the scribe brings him the system and he says,
1:16:21
Speaker 4: you know, this is a great tool and it can
1:16:24
Speaker 4: really help. But there's the risk that people will forget
1:16:29
Speaker 4: more easily and will rely on this and to to
1:16:34
Speaker 4: the detriment and so but humans are excellent at taking
1:16:37
Speaker 4: bad things and making good out of them. But we're
1:16:40
Speaker 4: also pretty good or we can you know, to our
1:16:44
Speaker 4: detriment kind of have have something that makes things easier
1:16:48
Speaker 4: for us, and then we have have problems. So I
1:16:51
Speaker 4: think it's a it's a tool, right, we have to
1:16:54
Speaker 4: it's our responsibility what we make of it.
1:16:57
Speaker 2: What you pointing to is our adaptability with it. That
1:17:00
Speaker 2: we're being called on to adapt to this new world
1:17:04
Speaker 2: that we live in. And I can either sneer at
1:17:07
Speaker 2: it and flip at the bird all the time or
1:17:09
Speaker 2: figure out, hey, you know what's going on here and
1:17:11
Speaker 2: how can I actually get with the program here and
1:17:15
Speaker 2: how can it actually enhance me? And then we get
1:17:20
Speaker 2: in we start start training it. So I think you
1:17:22
Speaker 2: make a really good point. I love that story about
1:17:24
Speaker 2: the beoh and describe. You're right, and as we adapt
1:17:28
Speaker 2: things that we did before, will will fade away. I mean,
1:17:31
Speaker 2: I saw a It's probably anecdotal, but someone made a
1:17:36
Speaker 2: comment that twenty five percent of the new jobs that
1:17:39
Speaker 2: are being created today weren't existing. We're in existence in
1:17:43
Speaker 2: the year two thousand. Jobs like you know, podcast manager,
1:17:48
Speaker 2: app manager, app developer. People, these no one know what
1:17:53
Speaker 2: you're talking about twenty years ago. And that's how fast
1:17:56
Speaker 2: things have changed and new things are going to be.
1:18:00
Speaker 2: And I you know, Jeff Bezo's riffs on this, and
1:18:03
Speaker 2: he's not a great guy, I understand that, but he
1:18:05
Speaker 2: did say that, you know, if you were talking to
1:18:08
Speaker 2: a farmer at the turn of the twentieth century and
1:18:12
Speaker 2: he's getting a new tractor, he's going to be all threatened,
1:18:14
Speaker 2: like his job's going away. And the idea is that no,
1:18:17
Speaker 2: the tractor is going to be able you to do
1:18:19
Speaker 2: even more work than you can do on your own.
1:18:22
Speaker 2: And by the way, the tractor is going to be
1:18:24
Speaker 2: important for you, but your great grandchildren they're going to
1:18:28
Speaker 2: be social media managers. And he would have had no
1:18:32
Speaker 2: idea what you're talking about one hundred years ago. He
1:18:34
Speaker 2: couldn't conceive a computer, barely could conceive a telephone, and
1:18:38
Speaker 2: would have no idea about some of an app designer
1:18:41
Speaker 2: or you know, a code or a cyber netic security expert.
1:18:45
Speaker 2: What is all this? This is all you know, the
1:18:48
Speaker 2: new stuff in our in our world today, and there's
1:18:50
Speaker 2: more to come. And that's I think where we want
1:18:53
Speaker 2: to try to somehow keep our focus rather than on
1:18:56
Speaker 2: what we're losing, what are we actually gaining?
1:19:00
Speaker 1: M Yeah.
1:19:02
Speaker 3: I take a very animistic perspective to a lot of things,
1:19:05
Speaker 3: and that includes AI and you know, basically the belief
1:19:08
Speaker 3: that everything is inspirited in some way. And so to
1:19:13
Speaker 3: see how I feel like there is a development of
1:19:18
Speaker 3: an aggregre that is being created around these different personalities
1:19:24
Speaker 3: we have in AI and to see where that's going
1:19:27
Speaker 3: to go is is really interesting, but it's also slightly terrifying.
1:19:32
Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, I you know, I used to
1:19:35
Speaker 2: write articles about that, about the agrigors and uh, you know,
1:19:39
Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg and you better go talk to your rap I, dude,
1:19:41
Speaker 2: because all you're doing is creating agrigors and golams in
1:19:44
Speaker 2: these in Facebook meta you want to create. You know,
1:19:47
Speaker 2: don't you realize that total violation of your religion? You care?
1:19:51
Speaker 2: Probably not? But yeah, you know, this idea that AI
1:19:56
Speaker 2: will take on embodiment, it was something that really terrified me.
1:20:00
Speaker 2: That's that's coming, you know, where it's going to jump
1:20:02
Speaker 2: off over the glass. It's not gonna be chatter clawed
1:20:06
Speaker 2: behind the glass for very much longer. It's gonna take embodiment,
1:20:09
Speaker 2: maybe in a robot body, maybe in a human interface
1:20:13
Speaker 2: of some kind like neurallink, or maybe it'll be a
1:20:16
Speaker 2: genetically grown entity that it takes embodiment in. I mean,
1:20:20
Speaker 2: these are all possibilities. But it's gonna be walking around
1:20:24
Speaker 2: amongst us before we know. It. Can't make any exact
1:20:28
Speaker 2: forecast on when that is, but Optimist is getting ready
1:20:31
Speaker 2: to come up the Tesla assembly line here soon, So
1:20:37
Speaker 2: we're gonna have these beings that are walking amongst us
1:20:39
Speaker 2: very very soon.
1:20:43
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Yep. Anybody have any more questions
1:20:48
Speaker 1: or anything? All right?
1:20:51
Speaker 4: Uh?
1:20:51
Speaker 1: One question? I guess maybe maybe we'll wrap it up
1:20:53
Speaker 1: with this. We're getting close to another and a half
1:20:57
Speaker 1: kind of like when you look at all all the
1:20:59
Speaker 1: work that you've done, what do you believe the ancient
1:21:03
Speaker 1: world was basically trying to teach us about what human
1:21:06
Speaker 1: a human being can become, a transfuwed into.
1:21:12
Speaker 2: Wow, that is such a great question, because what I've
1:21:16
Speaker 2: observed is that all ancient civilizations left us two histories.
1:21:20
Speaker 2: They left us the history of what happened, you know,
1:21:24
Speaker 2: five thousand, just five thousand years ago, what two percent
1:21:27
Speaker 2: of the time human has been on the planet. We started,
1:21:29
Speaker 2: we learned to write and read, and we started writing
1:21:32
Speaker 2: down what happened before that. It was all in megalithic temples.
1:21:37
Speaker 2: You know, something happened here, boom, we have this this temple.
1:21:41
Speaker 2: But the second history is always about what we can be, what,
1:21:46
Speaker 2: as you say, what we can become. And that's a
1:21:49
Speaker 2: history I'm very fascinated by. From the very beginning they
1:21:53
Speaker 2: talked that that this isn't all there is. We're meant
1:21:56
Speaker 2: to transform, We're meant to transfigure. Epic of Gilgamesh Second
1:21:59
Speaker 2: Old story. He's told by an Ananaki priestess and Ona.
1:22:03
Speaker 2: He's two thirds divine and one third human, and if
1:22:06
Speaker 2: he wants to get through the Gate of the Gods,
1:22:07
Speaker 2: he's going to have to clean up his act. He's
1:22:09
Speaker 2: going to he goes through two thirds divine and one
1:22:11
Speaker 2: third human. It's going to be like walking into a blender.
1:22:14
Speaker 2: He's going to get his feathers ruffled. And she's telling him, dude,
1:22:17
Speaker 2: you got to move the needle. You know, divinity is
1:22:20
Speaker 2: symbolized by a circle, and she's telling him, Gilgemas, you're
1:22:23
Speaker 2: two forty out of three sixty. You've got to move
1:22:26
Speaker 2: that needle closer to three sixty. And to me, that's
1:22:30
Speaker 2: set up kind of the archetypal quest for all of us.
1:22:32
Speaker 2: It's a quest for wholeness, for holiness, for righteousness, for purity, perfection.
1:22:40
Speaker 2: These are the terms that they use for five thousand
1:22:43
Speaker 2: years about what we can become. And they described that
1:22:47
Speaker 2: ultimate human is a being of light who has transcended
1:22:51
Speaker 2: the flesh, you know, caterpillar into butterfly type of a thing.
1:22:55
Speaker 2: To oversimplify it, but that is what we can become.
1:22:59
Speaker 2: We can become a species that has the ability, I
1:23:02
Speaker 2: think and the ultimate maybe Sci Fi version of this
1:23:05
Speaker 2: that I recognize, Hey, this is this is my vehicle
1:23:08
Speaker 2: I can journey to other realms in my consciousness, I
1:23:11
Speaker 2: can have a psychedelic trip and go to other worlds
1:23:15
Speaker 2: where maybe I can even beam myself there in consciousness
1:23:19
Speaker 2: and travel there and take on a physical existence there too.
1:23:23
Speaker 2: I think these are some of the capabilities that we've
1:23:26
Speaker 2: always had, and we lost them, probably due to a
1:23:30
Speaker 2: major cataclysm or something of that nature, or the timing
1:23:34
Speaker 2: of the Yugos, whatever. But it's coming back now. We're
1:23:37
Speaker 2: coming back to that recognition that we're not just flesh
1:23:40
Speaker 2: and blood beings that were also these beings of light
1:23:43
Speaker 2: as well.
1:23:46
Speaker 1: I love that. That was great. Anybody else, Eric or Ethan,
1:23:50
Speaker 1: you got anything you want to ask round?
1:23:52
Speaker 2: That was great.
1:23:53
Speaker 4: I just wanted to add that it seems like a
1:23:55
Speaker 4: bear is very much a bear and an animal of
1:23:59
Speaker 4: any sort, they're very much their thing, and humans are
1:24:04
Speaker 4: all about becoming whatever it may be. But it's but
1:24:07
Speaker 4: it's such a transformational thing that we embody, as you
1:24:12
Speaker 4: just said.
1:24:13
Speaker 2: So eloquently exactly, I totally agree. And you know, as
1:24:17
Speaker 2: we start to focus on that, that that starts to
1:24:21
Speaker 2: dispel some of the fear around AI and transhumanism because
1:24:24
Speaker 2: it opens up hey, maybe maybe we can use some
1:24:29
Speaker 2: of this technology to become something even better than we
1:24:32
Speaker 2: are now.
1:24:34
Speaker 1: Great. I love that. I love it. Eric, you got
1:24:39
Speaker 1: anything good, sir?
1:24:41
Speaker 3: No, man, I'm just my head is just spinning from
1:24:44
Speaker 3: all this talk.
1:24:46
Speaker 2: Gentlemen, it has been so much fun. Your questions are great.
1:24:49
Speaker 2: Really really appreciate it and love to chat anytime.
1:24:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, it was great picking your brain. I
1:24:55
Speaker 1: really wanted to take advantage of it for real. Thank you,
1:24:58
Speaker 1: thank you my pleasure. Yeah again, Eric and Ethan, I
1:25:03
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you guys very much. Eric, if you
1:25:06
Speaker 1: want you real quick, do you want to just let
1:25:07
Speaker 1: everybody know again where they can find all your stuff?
1:25:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, guys, go check out my YouTube channel at Eric Arcadian.
1:25:14
Speaker 1: Awesome, thank you very much, and go check out his
1:25:16
Speaker 1: book and Ethan Indigo sir, how are you?
1:25:20
Speaker 4: I should be easy to find on the Internet's Ethan
1:25:23
Speaker 4: Indigo Smith and William. Thank you so much for the
1:25:25
Speaker 4: information and.
1:25:28
Speaker 2: My absolute pleasure. Thank you so much. And hey, get
1:25:31
Speaker 2: everybody's books here and keep reading everyone. That's the key.
1:25:34
Speaker 2: Read a book, yah, book in your hand and just
1:25:38
Speaker 2: be it nice.
1:25:40
Speaker 1: Very totally agree. And Ethan has a bunch of books too, William,
1:25:44
Speaker 1: please let it let everybody know what, they can find
1:25:46
Speaker 1: all your stuff or anything you want to promote, anything
1:25:48
Speaker 1: coming up you want to promote.
1:25:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, So my website is I am William Henry dot com.
1:25:53
Speaker 2: My books are available on Amazon. You search my name,
1:25:56
Speaker 2: and I'm on the socials and all that's linked via
1:25:59
Speaker 2: my web.
1:26:00
Speaker 1: Awesome. Are you also going to be like kind of
1:26:02
Speaker 1: involved with the T and T thing going on? TN
1:26:06
Speaker 1: T H stuff? Okay, now stuff with George. I just
1:26:10
Speaker 1: had him on it, Okay, all right, Yeah, sorry, I
1:26:14
Speaker 1: thought you might have been. Yeah, I was just trying
1:26:16
Speaker 1: to promote that if you were sure. Yeah, no, thank
1:26:19
Speaker 1: you very much, William. I really really appreciate you coming on.
1:26:21
Speaker 1: That was some really good stuff. I mean, there's a
1:26:24
Speaker 1: lot of things that you said that just led me
1:26:27
Speaker 1: to like start thinking about more stuff. You know, you
1:26:30
Speaker 1: sent me down rabbit holes, and there was certain ideas
1:26:34
Speaker 1: sometimes like it feels better when you hear somebody else
1:26:36
Speaker 1: kind of have the same idea and you're like, all right,
1:26:38
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not crazy. So like even there was a
1:26:40
Speaker 1: lot of things you said that like I've even thought myself,
1:26:42
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, maybe I'm not too
1:26:44
Speaker 1: crazy if this guy's thinking it too that's great. Yeah, yeah,
1:26:48
Speaker 1: it was a great time, great time. Thank you everybody
1:26:51
Speaker 1: in the chat. That's what's up, that's where we go live.
1:26:53
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. And again Eric and Ethan, I
1:26:55
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys coming on. And that's the end of
1:26:58
Speaker 1: another Recult Rejects and until the next one, everybody be
1:27:01
Speaker 1: well later