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Mom-of-5 Rachel Morin Raped, Murdered, Left Nude on Trail, STILL UNSOLVED EVEN W/ DNA · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
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Speaker 2: An absolutely gorgeous young mom goes for a hike and
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Speaker 2: ends up horribly bludgeoned dead, losing vast quantities of the
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Speaker 2: blood in her body, apparently brutally beaten with a rock,
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Speaker 2: found completely naked, face up on the trail. And still,
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Speaker 2: even though this happened months ago, we don't have the killer.
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Speaker 2: This is a very popular hiking trail that Ma and
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Speaker 2: Pa trail. Then, in a stunning turn, the DNA of
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Speaker 2: the purp I'm assuming she was raped. The DNA from
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Speaker 2: the PERP found in and on the young mom's body
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Speaker 2: is entered into the DNA database. If bam get a
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Speaker 2: hit from another attack all the way in La where
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Speaker 2: the guy is actually caught on door cam leaving the home,
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Speaker 2: but you.
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Speaker 3: Don't see his face. Oh, we still don't have him.
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Speaker 2: We've got his DNA, we've got a general description, but
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Speaker 2: we don't have him. The family is desperate to the
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Speaker 2: point they're actually sending letters out to high schools hoping
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Speaker 2: that a teacher can identify the killer.
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Speaker 3: And so much more. What happened to Rachel Morin? Who?
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Speaker 4: What?
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Speaker 3: Where?
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Speaker 2: Whiye when I Nancy Grace, This is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us here at crime stories and
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Speaker 2: on serious exem one eleven who.
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Speaker 3: Murdered Rachel Morin.
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Speaker 2: We also know that Ellie law enforcement has stated they
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Speaker 2: believe this is a serial rapist that could blossom into
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Speaker 2: a serial killer.
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Speaker 3: First of all, listen to this.
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Speaker 5: It approximately eleven twenty three last evening, our deputies responded
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Speaker 5: to a report of a mission person. It was reported
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Speaker 5: by the individual's boyfriend that Rachel Morien, who's aged thirty seven,
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Speaker 5: headed out from her home on Old Emerton Road around
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Speaker 5: six pm to go to the Mompot trail Once. She
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Speaker 5: had not returned as and when the expected. The family
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Speaker 5: was obviously concerned. Initial information from the boyfriend again, the
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Speaker 5: caller who reported her mission indicated her car was at
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Speaker 5: the lot at the trailhead here on Williams Street behind
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Speaker 5: like we're independent Brewery is the people that are familiar
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Speaker 5: with bell Air. The car was there, but she was not.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 5: We're at the trailhead and this is actually where Rachel's
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Speaker 5: car was found last evening one of the parking lots
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Speaker 5: accessed mom potrail here in the town of bel Air.
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Speaker 5: And we're behind me. You see our community policing unit
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Speaker 5: with some of their vehicles that are able when they
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Speaker 5: orginally do patrol different portions of the mom Pot trail,
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Speaker 5: but today we are stepping up those efforts. Through the
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Speaker 5: duration of this investigation.
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Speaker 2: You are hearing the Hertford County share of Jeffrey Galler
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Speaker 2: speaking trying to allay fears of the community. But those
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Speaker 2: fears have not been alleviated because the killer still walks
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Speaker 2: amongst us, and this ain't his first time at the rodeo.
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Speaker 2: We know that he attacked a young woman, a young
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Speaker 2: girl back in LA. You're hearing bel air and you
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Speaker 2: might think bel air as in California, your Hollywood. No,
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Speaker 2: this is bel air Maryland. So he is raping and
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Speaker 2: murdering a woman with a rock in bel Air, Maryland,
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Speaker 2: but his DNA pops up in LA in another attack.
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Speaker 2: This guy's track, he's got to be lighting somewhere.
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Speaker 3: So what do we know.
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Speaker 2: I know that the family of this Maryland mom, a
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Speaker 2: mother of five, Rachel Moore, and her children now are
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Speaker 2: going to be raised without their mother, is desperate, sending
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Speaker 2: letters to LA high schools pleading begging for help to
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Speaker 2: identify the killer, hoping that the killer attended high school
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Speaker 2: as recently as two years ago.
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Speaker 3: Where are they getting that number?
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Speaker 2: So what they think the killer may be nineteen twenty,
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Speaker 2: twenty one, twenty two? Is that what they think? And
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Speaker 2: why do they think that? Is it because of that
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Speaker 2: doorbell cam video? Is it because of what the LA
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Speaker 2: attack victim said to police? How does she describe the purp?
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Speaker 2: But we know the family and law enforcement desperate no
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Speaker 2: further information on the defendant, the killer of Rachel Moore
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Speaker 2: and a mother of five.
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Speaker 3: Let's listen to more of what the sheriff says.
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Speaker 5: You know, her injuries are not consistent with any kind
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Speaker 5: of accident or shelf harm. You know, this is definitely
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Speaker 5: a homicide investigation. Our investigators arriving on the scene. It
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Speaker 5: was clear to the first police officers on the scene,
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Speaker 5: the investigators arriving on the scene, this is a homicide,
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Speaker 5: and that question was out there as well. How does
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Speaker 5: he know?
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Speaker 4: We know?
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Speaker 6: Michael Gabriski says Moren's body was found in a pool
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Speaker 6: of blood and it suffered severe head trauma. He believes
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Speaker 6: the injury could have been the result of a rock.
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Speaker 6: According to his daughter, there was a rock caked in blood.
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Speaker 6: The Harford County Sheriff's Department declined to confirm how Marian died.
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Speaker 2: We're learning more and more about how Rachel Moran's body
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Speaker 2: was found. You know, you think when you get DNA
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Speaker 2: you're going to have the purp. It's not that easy.
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Speaker 2: But listen to the in the modus operandi method of
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Speaker 2: operation as described by Crime on Lines Dave Mack.
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Speaker 7: Since the body of Rachel Marin was discovered in a
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Speaker 7: drainage tunnel not far from the main entrance of the
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Speaker 7: man Pat Trail, Michael Gabraziski has spoken out to the
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Speaker 7: media about what he and his stepdaughter found or witnessed.
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Speaker 7: The following information has been reported as fact by Michael Gabrazski.
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Speaker 7: Claim number one, Gabraziski's stepdaughter, Cecilia, discovered the body of
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Speaker 7: Rachel Marin in a drainage tunnel. Claim number two. Rachel
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Speaker 7: Marin was lying on her back, fully naked, and she
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Speaker 7: had brutal head trauma. It looked like her head had
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Speaker 7: been smashed with a rock. Claim number three. There was
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Speaker 7: a fifteen to twenty foot blood trail, so it looked
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Speaker 7: like she had been beaten and dragged into position. Claim
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Speaker 7: number four the right side of her face was gone,
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Speaker 7: and claim number five, it looked like the killer was
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Speaker 7: trying to erase her identity.
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Speaker 2: With me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 2: what we know right now. But first I want to
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Speaker 2: go to a renowned medical examiner, board certified forensic pathologist,
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Speaker 2: former medical examiner, Clark County. And there's a lot of
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Speaker 2: Clark counties across the country, but this is Clark County, Nevada,
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Speaker 2: also known as Sin.
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Speaker 3: City aka Vegas.
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Speaker 2: Never a lack of business for a medical examiner in Vegas. Okay,
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Speaker 2: Doctor jen Gorniac is with us from what you are hearing.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Gorniac.
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Speaker 2: When I hear the right side of our face was gone,
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Speaker 2: Doctor Gorniac, I normally hear that kind of language when
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Speaker 2: there has been a gunshot, wound, a GSW where the
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Speaker 2: face is completely blown off and you cannot identify the
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Speaker 2: victim by sight. You have to do it by fingerprint.
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Speaker 2: You can't do it by teeth, teeth are gone by clothing.
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Speaker 2: But here knowing we think we know that the murder
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Speaker 2: weapon was a rock. What kind of a barbaric attack
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Speaker 2: on this She looks like a model. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if you've seen her pictures, Doctor Gorniac. There's one of
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Speaker 2: her in a swimsuit, and this is a mother of five.
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Speaker 2: I'm a mother of two. I jump in a pool,
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Speaker 2: fully clothed. I don't care what anybody says. No, I'm
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Speaker 2: not kidding. I'm not kidding. I wear my tights and
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Speaker 2: a T shirt. I just jump right in. This is
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Speaker 2: a mother of five. She looks like a swimsuit model.
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Speaker 2: She's got a beautiful face.
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Speaker 3: But that's not all.
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Speaker 2: Devoted mother. Dr Gorniac held down a job the works,
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Speaker 2: and when I saw that picture of her, I didn't
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Speaker 2: really I thought I had the wrong picture, because how
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Speaker 2: can a mother of five look that awesome?
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Speaker 3: But she did.
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Speaker 2: And now I hear I understand from things that sheriff
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Speaker 2: has told us that the killer bludgeoned her. And I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna need you on this, Doctor Bethany Marshall. Bludgend Rachel's
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Speaker 2: face so badly. Half of her face was gone.
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Speaker 8: Right, yes, And so we also know that she obviously
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Speaker 8: she was out there hiking, and she was also at
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Speaker 8: the gym earlier that day. So she's a very fit person,
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Speaker 8: obviously taking good care of herself, and so bludgeon to death.
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Speaker 8: They say there's a rock with blood on it.
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Speaker 4: Her half her.
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Speaker 8: Faces is gone, so that is depending on the size
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Speaker 8: of the rock. When we talk about blunt force injuries,
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Speaker 8: we say her head hit something or something hit her head,
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Speaker 8: so we don't know which it could be both, but
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Speaker 8: we know she was found face up, so there is
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Speaker 8: a possibility that someone used this rock and hit her
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Speaker 8: about the faith, whether it was to disfigure her, you know,
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Speaker 8: I'm not a psychologist in any sense, but to disfigure
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Speaker 8: her to obscure identification, and then just the way they
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Speaker 8: left her body, I believe she was naked also with
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Speaker 8: just you know, these massive injuries of the faith. Hopefully
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Speaker 8: you know, they got DNA and they issue fought back.
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Speaker 8: So whether whether that DNA came from underneath her fingernails
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Speaker 8: or from a sexual assault kit, they were still able
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Speaker 8: to gather that and also identify her based on that DNL.
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Speaker 2: So, doctor Gorney, it just a personal question. I like
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Speaker 2: to just listen to you talk all day long, and
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you've noticed how sometimes I get carried away
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Speaker 2: and I interrupt people. I just learned so much when
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Speaker 2: I'll listen to you. When you say just go out
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Speaker 2: to dinner or your I don't know, at church, at
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Speaker 2: the family night stuff on.
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Speaker 3: Do people ask you about cases?
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Speaker 2: Are you more comfortable talking about cases like you just
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Speaker 2: did than talking about the weather or politics or anything else.
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Speaker 8: Well, it's obvious. I'm passionate about the work I do,
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Speaker 8: you know, giving a voice to the voiceless and able
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Speaker 8: to tell their stories. But when people ask me about
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Speaker 8: cases like this, I usually shy away from it because
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Speaker 8: you know, you know am mass and you know first responders,
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Speaker 8: what these eyes have seen. So I really don't like
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Speaker 8: talking about those cases when people ask, because it's really
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Speaker 8: not you know, these aren't like the best days of
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Speaker 8: my life yet alone.
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Speaker 3: These people's lives.
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Speaker 8: So I try to be very respectful of what their
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Speaker 8: family has gone through, what this individual has gone through.
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Speaker 8: And it's easy to talk to you, you know, when
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Speaker 8: you ask me these questions, and I try to make
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Speaker 8: it not so quote unquote gory for your listeners. But
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Speaker 8: I don't like talking about these cases unless I have to.
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Speaker 3: You know, that's interesting you say that.
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Speaker 2: Fred Longwell joining me, former Deputy States Attorney out of
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Speaker 2: Calvert City there in Maryland, former Assistant sites Attorney and
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Speaker 2: Prince George specializing in sex offenses and homicides. Friend, when
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Speaker 2: people ask me about cases, I have, you know, standard responses,
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Speaker 2: because I feel like it's sometimes revictimizing the victim to tell,
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Speaker 2: as doctor Gorniak said, the gory details of it. But
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Speaker 2: you know, frim, I want to tell the story in
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Speaker 2: its entirety. It's very hard for people to imagine what
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Speaker 2: happens to a murder victim.
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Speaker 3: They don't want to. It's so.
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Speaker 2: Horrible. Like when I think about my fiance Keith, that
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Speaker 2: was murdered. I know he was shot five times in
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Speaker 2: the face, of the neck, in the head, but I
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Speaker 2: don't think about, oh, half of his face may have
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Speaker 2: been blown away.
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Speaker 3: I've never thought that till this minute.
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Speaker 2: Right now, I imagine him just like I knew him
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Speaker 2: in life, with some like maybe little dots on his
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Speaker 2: face where the bullet entered, you know, because I don't
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Speaker 2: want to think about it any other way.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to think.
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Speaker 2: About what he endured or what he lived through, because
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Speaker 2: it will throw me in a funk I can't get
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Speaker 2: out of. But when you think and when you have
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Speaker 2: to show a jury fran longwell, or when you go
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Speaker 2: to the scene, it is nothing what you could anticipate.
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Speaker 3: It's much worse.
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Speaker 9: And that's very true. And some of the hardest things
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Speaker 9: I ever had to do is meet with the family
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Speaker 9: or the victim, and many many families want to go
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Speaker 9: over the autopsy report, and many many families want to
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Speaker 9: see the pictures. And it's very hard. You know, it's
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Speaker 9: hard for me because I don't really want them to
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Speaker 9: have to see that, but if they want to see it,
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Speaker 9: you have no choice. You have to show it to them,
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Speaker 9: and then I usually try to have some other victim
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Speaker 9: advocate there with them. But really, you're right, it's awful
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Speaker 9: for them to remember what their loved one looked like
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Speaker 9: at that time. The jury has to know, and we
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Speaker 9: have to show those pictures to them, to show where
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Speaker 9: the wounds were, where the injuries were, how we know
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Speaker 9: that happened. And a lot of jurors have a lot
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Speaker 9: of problems.
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Speaker 2: And it's not that we I don't become callous to
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Speaker 2: any of this, but I learned as a prosecutor I
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Speaker 2: have to steal myself when I'm discussing it in front
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Speaker 2: of a jury, because I've got to get through the
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Speaker 2: evidence and I have to present it in a way
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Speaker 2: that I don't miss anything or mischaracterize anything. No victim
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Speaker 2: is more important than another victim. But I find this
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Speaker 2: psychologically interesting and a lot of times I say I'm
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Speaker 2: no shrink. No truer words were never spoken, but to
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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall, high profile psychoanalyst. You can find her
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Speaker 2: at Doctorbethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, I can't verbalize this,
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Speaker 2: but I think you will be able to.
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Speaker 3: I think the.
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Speaker 2: Killer took a certain delight in disfiguring Rachel Moore.
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Speaker 10: I think he did take delight in disfiguring her. I mean,
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Speaker 10: there's several aspects of this. If you don't have a
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Speaker 10: knife for a gun, if a rock is your only weapon,
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Speaker 10: then you're going to have to beat somebody in the head, right,
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Speaker 10: So there's a practical aspect. But I think these rapists
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Speaker 10: do resent the beauty of these women. So while they're
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Speaker 10: sexually attracted to them and they want to dominate and
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Speaker 10: have power, they also want to disfigure and take away
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Speaker 10: their beauty. But the final layer, Nancy, that you're alluding
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Speaker 10: to is sadism, and sadism is a part of sexual deviancy,
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Speaker 10: and these guys use the infliction of pain and terrorizing
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Speaker 10: the woman in order to enhance their sexual arousal. And
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Speaker 10: the reason they do that is that aggression and sexuality
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Speaker 10: or process through the same neural nets.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, why what I'm not saying that you're making
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Speaker 2: me look ignorant.
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Speaker 3: I'm doing that all on my own. What are you saying?
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Speaker 3: Can you play speak where we can understand it?
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Speaker 10: Early in life they fuse aggression with sex.
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Speaker 3: Well okay, wait what early in life? What they fuse?
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Speaker 10: They connect?
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Speaker 3: Who? Who confuses what the rapists?
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Speaker 10: Early in life?
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Speaker 3: What do you mean by early in life?
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Speaker 10: Like during their development like teenage years.
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Speaker 3: So what do you mean by early in life?
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Speaker 10: Well, in their early development, let's say latency age like seven, eight, nine, ten,
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Speaker 10: and then throughout their teenage years they feel in their
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Speaker 10: heart and their soul and their bones theirselves that aggression
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Speaker 10: and the infliction of pain and cruelty does enhance.
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Speaker 8: Their sexual arousal.
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Speaker 10: Even if kids, there's a sense of inflicting pain makes
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Speaker 10: them excited. That's why they may kill animals or torture animals,
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Speaker 10: Like when they're six, seven, eight, they won't associate it
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Speaker 10: with sex. But when they get into their teenage years,
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Speaker 10: they graduate to feeling that the only way to feel
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Speaker 10: sexually excited is to hurt or name another person.
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Speaker 2: Hey, doctor Bethany, have you ever treated a sadist?
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Speaker 10: I have, actually, and it was one of a very
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Speaker 10: interesting experience. It was couple's therapy and I said to
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Speaker 10: the man, you know, you're being very cruel to your wife,
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Speaker 10: and he said, I know. And it was a lesson
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Speaker 10: in sadism because the pleasure associated with being cruel to
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Speaker 10: her was palpable. And I did wonder what he was
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Speaker 10: doing in other areas of his life in terms of sex, rape.
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Speaker 3: Just curious. Did they get a divorce.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'd hate to think of that woman stuck with
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Speaker 2: him the rest of her life.
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Speaker 11: Okay, off your He was a raging alcoholic and he
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Speaker 11: hid alcohol everywhere in the house, even in the back
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Speaker 11: of the toilet.
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Speaker 10: The toilet pink. So he was a very devious guy.
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Speaker 2: Okay, and enough about your well healed rodeo clients. Let
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Speaker 2: me get back to Rachel Moore. But although doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 2: I could listen to you just like doctor Gorniac all
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Speaker 2: day long, going into the mind of this killer is
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Speaker 2: kind of scary. When I hear what doctor g Gorniac says,
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Speaker 2: and I couple it with what dtor Bethany Marshall and
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Speaker 2: fran Longwell are saying. It's painting a horrible and horrific
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Speaker 2: picture of this guy. And remember he's walking free. We've
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Speaker 2: got his DNA, but we don't have him. He could
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Speaker 2: be anywhere between Maryland and la I guarantee you he's
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Speaker 2: been back to both jurisdictions. So what more do we
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Speaker 2: know about what happened and what is happening to find
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Speaker 2: this guy? Take a listen to the sheriff.
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Speaker 5: Hi, this is Harf Kenny, Sheriff Jeff Gaylor. It's been
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Speaker 5: four days since Rachel Morn went missing and three days
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Speaker 5: since her body was located the victim of a violent homicide. Currently,
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Speaker 5: there are ten investigators assigned to our Criminal Investigation's Division
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Speaker 5: who have been and will continue to work around the
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Speaker 5: clock on this investigation. These detectives, along with forensic investigators
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Speaker 5: and crime analysts, have been scouring every detail of the days, hours, minutes,
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Speaker 5: and seconds before Rachel died in order to put together
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Speaker 5: the pieces of a comprehensive timeline, and more have continued
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Speaker 5: to get centers around whether we have interviewed the boyfriend
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Speaker 5: in this case. The answer is yes, we have, along
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Speaker 5: with many other people who are close to Rachel. That
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Speaker 5: is the way an investigation is conducted.
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Speaker 3: We start with.
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Speaker 5: People who are in her close inner circle and others
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Speaker 5: who have known her or she had encountered, and work out.
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Speaker 5: Please be safe, to take care of each other, watch
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Speaker 5: out for each other. Together, we will solve this crime
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Speaker 5: and find the heinous coward who took Rachel Moore from
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Speaker 5: her family and friends.
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Speaker 2: Okay, what I learned from all of that talking is
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Speaker 2: that the boyfriend has essentially been ruled out. That's what
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Speaker 2: I'm hearing, and the DNA confirmed that.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Joining me in addition to Ron Bateman, a former homicide
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Speaker 2: and undercover narcotics agent. Vincent Hill is with US anchor
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Speaker 2: reporter Fox forty five in Baltimore. Vincent, this happened back
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Speaker 2: in August, the beginning of August, September, November, December, January.
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Speaker 2: You know, when you've got some DNA, you'd think you
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Speaker 2: could catch the killer, right.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, Nancy, that's exactly right. But unfortunately, you know, I
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Speaker 12: just checked the temperatures twenty two degrees here in Maryland,
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Speaker 12: and that just tells you how cold this case is
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Speaker 12: and to give our listeners an idea of why he
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Speaker 12: hasn't been caught. Yes, his DNA may be in CODIS,
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Speaker 12: but my former law enforcement training, investigator training tells me,
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Speaker 12: if it's DNA's in CODIS, if he's never been arrested,
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Speaker 12: no one can put a name with that DNA. So
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Speaker 12: until this guy does something where he is arrested and
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Speaker 12: they check his DNA, he could be floating around just
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Speaker 12: like Otis Toole, one of the drifter serial killers did
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Speaker 12: for years killing people up and down the United States.
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Speaker 3: That's a really good point.
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Speaker 2: Vincent Hill joining me right now, a former sheriff that
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Speaker 2: has gone to the scene where Rachel Morien was raped
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Speaker 2: and murdered and has evaluated it in intense detail with me.
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Speaker 2: Ron Bateman, as I said, former homicide under carbon narcotics agent.
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Speaker 2: You can find him amazingly at ronbatemanbooks dot com. He's
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Speaker 2: the author of a crime trilogy. Just solving crimes wasn't
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Speaker 2: enough for him. He wrote an incredible trilogy called Silent
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Speaker 2: Bateman books. Ron Bateman, I want to hear, first of all,
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Speaker 2: congratulations on your books and your doc but what can
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Speaker 2: you tell me about this scene? And I'm worried months
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Speaker 2: are slipping by Instead of heating up, typically a case
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Speaker 2: cools down.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the scene was in a very barren location, you know,
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Speaker 4: wooded area, not far off of the town of a
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Speaker 4: bel Air, and there was plenty of places for this
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Speaker 4: guy to hide do his damage before I forget about it.
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Speaker 4: Answer no. I want to offer a question real quick
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Speaker 4: to doctor Gordiac or face on, Doctor Gordion, I face
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Speaker 4: on your experience. The injury to the victim is on
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Speaker 4: her right side of her face. Would you agree with
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Speaker 4: me that in a fit of rage, the attacker is
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Speaker 4: going to use his strong arm, which would make him
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Speaker 4: predominantly left handed. Would that fit with you?
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Speaker 8: That could be, But then you will have to also
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Speaker 8: make sure that, like I said, blunt trauma could be
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Speaker 8: her head hitting something. Did they grab her from behind
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Speaker 8: and throw her down?
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Speaker 3: But no, Doctor Gorniac, No, Doctor Garniac.
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Speaker 2: Of course, with all my medical knowledge, I dare say
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Speaker 2: no to you, but for her, I agree, But for
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Speaker 2: half of her face to be missing, that's more than
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Speaker 2: falling on a rock.
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Speaker 8: Right right, and also in us And it's probably more
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Speaker 8: than one blow. That's also what I'm always saying. So
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Speaker 8: it's definitely more than one blow. But you know, we can, yeah,
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Speaker 8: we can speculate that it could be from there they're
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Speaker 8: facing each other and it came from the left side,
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Speaker 8: or you know, they're they're on top of her, she's
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Speaker 8: faced down and they're just you know, hitting her head
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Speaker 8: against the rock, or she is on her side and
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Speaker 8: that's the side that's up and they're using the.
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Speaker 12: Rock back her feet.
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Speaker 8: So it would be difficult, but that's something to look
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Speaker 8: at when you're doing, you know, a profileist of somebody.
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Speaker 2: Yet I understand that bel Air, Maryland, has about ten
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Speaker 2: thousand people. That's a relatively low population normally, back to you,
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Speaker 2: Ron Bateman, former LA law enforcement and author, Normally a
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Speaker 2: smaller population would mean a lot less suspects.
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Speaker 3: But we know this guy had been in LA so
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Speaker 3: he may not be.
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Speaker 2: Local, but he knew about a local path, which makes
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Speaker 2: me think he was staying in that area.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I have to address this these these are
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Speaker 4: some really significant points that we need answers to. Where
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Speaker 4: is the composite skitch? There was a person at the
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Speaker 4: door with the bad guy as he was meeting the
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Speaker 4: home invasion. Where is the composite sketch from that victim?
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Speaker 4: We haven't seen his face from anybody out in LA.
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Speaker 4: And really, I'm telling you, when I was a homicide detective,
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Speaker 4: my sergeant would have had me at death in the
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Speaker 4: LAPD office working hand in hand with them. I want
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Speaker 4: to know, you know the guy was in cheap.
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Speaker 2: Hold on, have you looked at that doorbell cam? I have, ron, maman,
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Speaker 2: Because it happened at night. How do I know it
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Speaker 2: wasn't dark in the room where the LA home invasion
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Speaker 2: rape victim couldn't see him?
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Speaker 4: I agree, But there's also someone walking him to the door.
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Speaker 4: It appears there's another body in that door.
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Speaker 2: Here, absolutely right, because when he leaves, you see a
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Speaker 2: hand at the door.
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Speaker 4: I agree. So there should be some kind of composite
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Speaker 4: composite sketch, something fat face, skinny faced, big nosed, you
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Speaker 4: know whatever. There should be something out there that we
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Speaker 4: can have that the Harper County sheriffhopics can use. But look,
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Speaker 4: at his body. He appears to be in cheap Have
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Speaker 4: they checked all gym's at a twenty five mile radius.
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Speaker 4: He's got a phone in his pocket, He's got a job,
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Speaker 4: he pays for that. They checked the local businesses? Those
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Speaker 4: things I really would like to know.
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Speaker 2: You know, another thing that could have needs to be done.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it has been done, is what
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Speaker 2: I call a data dump. And we've seen it happen.
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Speaker 2: I think it happened in the Brian Coburger case where
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Speaker 2: cell phone usage around the quadruple murder scene of the
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Speaker 2: Idaho University students, all the cell phones being used in
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Speaker 2: that area between say one am and six am. You
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Speaker 2: can get that from a stingray device, all the cell phones,
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Speaker 2: and then you start and it's a task, but you
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Speaker 2: can do it. And on this trail was his cell
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Speaker 2: phone with him? Did he have it turned on? Same
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Speaker 2: thing in La I'm looking at the doorbell camp right now.
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Speaker 2: You see him coming out. It's a neighborhood with I
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Speaker 2: would say a fairly nice suburban home.
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Speaker 3: You see him a little wreath on the door. He
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Speaker 3: comes out holding his shirt.
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Speaker 2: In his left hand, and he is using his right
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Speaker 2: hand mostly, but he doesn't have a shirt on. I'm
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Speaker 2: just curious if they've done a cell phone data dump.
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Speaker 4: Good point and look at his hair. His hair, had
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Speaker 4: he checked with all the hairstylists in a twenty five
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Speaker 4: mile radius from that scene. Hairstylists know the back of
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Speaker 4: someone's heads. They cut their hair all the time, and
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Speaker 4: that would be a basic thing but that they have
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Speaker 4: to do. And we just don't know what they've done
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Speaker 4: out there in LA Because the answer lies out there,
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Speaker 4: I believe would really help us.
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Speaker 2: Guys, we're trying to get to the bottom of who
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Speaker 2: murdered Rachel morn. Now we know DNA was taken, but
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Speaker 2: we also know a little more that's going and I
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Speaker 2: want to take a listen to Sidney Sumner Crime online.
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Speaker 13: Police still don't have a suspect in the Rechel Moore
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Speaker 13: and murder, but they do have DNA and according to
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Speaker 13: the Hartford County Sheriff's Office, they have matched the DNA
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Speaker 13: to a home invasion and assault of a young girl
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Speaker 13: in Los Angeles. Fox News reports that ce C Moore,
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Speaker 13: a DNA detective with Parabond Nano Labs, says the person
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Speaker 13: has not yet been identified, but he is responsible for
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Speaker 13: two separate crimes, creating the perfect application of investigative genetic genealogy.
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Speaker 13: In this traditional DNA analysis and public records are combined
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Speaker 13: to build family trees that allow investigators to close in
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Speaker 13: on suspects. More says genetic genealogy has been used to
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Speaker 13: close cold cases, but she has advocated for this to
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Speaker 13: be used in current cases and suspects. The FBI is
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Speaker 13: using the method to find Rachel Mooren's killer.
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Speaker 2: In other words, while we may not be able to
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Speaker 2: get his DNA out of the DNA database, you can
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Speaker 2: use genealogical DNA genetic DNA. You plug it into public
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Speaker 2: genealogy websites. You know, those people that raise their family
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Speaker 2: tree back to the Mayflower, them people that use genetic
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Speaker 2: genealogy on public sites. You plug this DNA in the
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Speaker 2: killer's DNA that was obtained from the murder scene and
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Speaker 2: the rape scene in LA and you see, if you
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Speaker 2: get even a partial match to somebody that has researched
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Speaker 2: their family DNA their heritage, then you start working down
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Speaker 2: until you find somebody that was in that area at
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Speaker 2: the time of the murders. Now, remember there have been
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Speaker 2: a lot of murders and rapes where it took time
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Speaker 2: to find the killer based on DNA, and I'm referring
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Speaker 2: specifically to, for instance, Karina the Toronto Take a listen
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Speaker 2: in our cup one eleven.
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Speaker 7: Karinavitrono and her father usually joined together, but on this
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Speaker 7: particular day, his back was bothering him and he couldn't go.
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Speaker 7: Phil Vitrono, a retired firefighter, asked her not to go,
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Speaker 7: but it was still daylight. She felt safe. When Karinavitronto
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Speaker 7: didn't return, her father called police went looking for her
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Speaker 7: on the trail they usually jogged. He found his daughter
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Speaker 7: face down on the ground dead. He called ms immediately.
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Speaker 7: After a six month Manheim police arrested twenty year old
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Speaker 7: Janel Lewis. He confessed to the rape and murder of Karinavitronto.
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Speaker 2: There are so many similar cases, but let's talk about
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Speaker 2: Eliza Fletcher.
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Speaker 3: The DNA of her killer and rapist.
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Speaker 2: Was already on file, but nobody knew it because that
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Speaker 2: rape kit had never been analyzed and was sitting on
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Speaker 2: a shelf. Listen to Dave Matt Crime Online one fourteen.
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Speaker 7: Eliza Fletcher likes to go out for an early morning
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Speaker 7: run in Memphis. Fletcher was jogging down Central Avenue around
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Speaker 7: four thirty in the morning, when investigators say she was
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Speaker 7: approached by someone who forced her into a dark colored
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Speaker 7: suv and drove off. Security cameras in the area of
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Speaker 7: where Fletcher was jogging help police narrow their search. As
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Speaker 7: community members and police search for Fletcher, detectives in South
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Speaker 7: Memphis find the body of Eliza Fletcher yards away from
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Speaker 7: where police say thirty eight year old Kleiotha Abstin came
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Speaker 7: just hours after the abduction of Flesher and washed his
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Speaker 7: clothes and his brothers sink. Abstin is charged with the
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Speaker 7: specially aggravated kidnapping and evidence tampering, as well as murder.
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Speaker 3: DNA match.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: The family of Rachel Morn is not waiting on genetic genealogy,
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Speaker 2: which could take a really long time to apprehend her killer,
31:44
Speaker 2: leaving five children without a mother. They've also hired a
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Speaker 2: criminal profiler listen to Dave.
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Speaker 3: Matt ninety three.
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Speaker 7: Rachel Morrin's family is working with profiler Pat Brown to
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Speaker 7: provide more information about the possible suspect in Morn's murder.
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Speaker 7: The possible suspect is Hispanic Early to mid twenties, five
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Speaker 7: foot nine, about one hundred and sixty pounds. Profiler Pat
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Speaker 7: Brown adds this person is likely narcissistic, lacks sympathy, he's
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Speaker 7: manipulative and a pathological liar. Speaking with wmar two, Matt McMahon,
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Speaker 7: father of Rachel Marin's oldest child, Fay, says they're trying
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Speaker 7: to get as much personal information out to the public
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Speaker 7: in the hopes that someone will recognize him and call police.
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Speaker 14: Someone out there does know that person's name. Someone's going
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Speaker 14: to look at that video. Someone's going to look at
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Speaker 14: the still shots from the video. And I'm as frustrated
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Speaker 14: as everybody else. I read the comments on social media.
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Speaker 14: Where's the other side of his face? If we had it,
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Speaker 14: we would put it out there. We just haven't obtained
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Speaker 14: it yet. Hopefully there's some additional video footage that will
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Speaker 14: come our way. But off of what's there, off of
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Speaker 14: his build, off of his walk, off of his appearance,
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Speaker 14: there's someone out there in the world who knows exactly
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Speaker 14: who that person is, and we need that person to
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Speaker 14: tell us so that we can get a match on
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Speaker 14: the DNA and put this monster behind mars.
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Speaker 2: So will a criminal profiler be able to solve the case,
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Speaker 2: to be able to help solve the case. What's your
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Speaker 2: experience with criminal profilers, Ron Bateman.
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Speaker 4: It's just another tool. We use the Behavioral Analysis Unit
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Speaker 4: out of the FBI. I've done that on a few cases.
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Speaker 4: It's just another tool, you know, to add to your
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Speaker 4: pile of goodies for your suspect.
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Speaker 2: And what about it, fran Longwill, You tried a lot
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Speaker 2: of homicide cases and you're joining us from this jurisdiction
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Speaker 2: of Maryland. What do you make a criminal profiler hired
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Speaker 2: by the family.
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Speaker 9: I've never used a profiler, but I have had cases
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Speaker 9: where I was doing reconsideration and the day before the
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Speaker 9: police called me. My detective called and said, hey, we
33:48
Speaker 9: just got a hit on this guy. He has another
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Speaker 9: first degree rate twenty years ago and it was a
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Speaker 9: DNA hit. And the only reason they had it was
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Speaker 9: because it takes a long time to run all those
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Speaker 9: cold cases through the system, and when they're running through
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Speaker 9: the old cases through that's when they get the code
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Speaker 9: of hits. So we wound up getting him, but that
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Speaker 9: was after twenty years. It sometimes takes that long. Like
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Speaker 9: they said, he's got to be arrested before you can
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Speaker 9: get that match match.
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Speaker 2: I also Vincent Hill, have never used a profiler to
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Speaker 2: solve the case because very often I can deduce already
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Speaker 2: what they are saying, like I can look at the
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Speaker 2: video and tell a lot of what we are learning.
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Speaker 2: But there are insights to be gained. It also tells
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Speaker 2: me the family is getting desperate guys. As I mentioned earlier,
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Speaker 2: the family desperate now approaching high school teachers.
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Speaker 3: Take a listen hour cut one oh one. This is
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Speaker 3: Rachel Blania more In.
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Speaker 15: Family attorney Randolph Rice told CBS News the reason the
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Speaker 15: family is reaching out to schools in Los Angeles is
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Speaker 15: the suspect could have been in high school as early
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Speaker 15: as two years ago. They are hoping a teacher who
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Speaker 15: taught him and saw him every single day during the
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Speaker 15: school year will recognize the suspect. According to Rice, the
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Speaker 15: crime has not been covered in the Los Angeles area
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Speaker 15: the way that it has been covered in Maryland. They're
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Speaker 15: hoping someone unaware of the search for the suspect will
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Speaker 15: recognize the person on the flyer and reach out and
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Speaker 15: share information that could lead to the capture of the suspect.
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Speaker 2: And the family is making homemade flyers begging for help
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Speaker 2: take a listen.
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Speaker 13: Even though an arrest has not been made in the
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Speaker 13: murder of Rachel Morin, investigators do have information about the
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Speaker 13: suspected killer. DNA from the morn crime scene linked the
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Speaker 13: suspect to a home invasion and assault in Los Angeles
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Speaker 13: in March of last year. Using that information, the family
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Speaker 13: of Rachel Morin have sent letters to high schools in
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Speaker 13: the Los Angeles area, hoping a former teacher will recognize
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Speaker 13: the suspect. The Daily Mail reports the family created a
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Speaker 13: flyer using still images from the doorbell camera footage of
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Speaker 13: the suspects leaving the scene of the home invasion assault
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Speaker 13: in LA, and sent out ten thousand flyers to homes
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Speaker 13: near the LA crime scene. The flyer asks for help
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Speaker 13: I identifying the person with the message from Hartford County
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Speaker 13: Sheriff Jeff Gahller, this suspect will kill again.
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Speaker 2: To visit Hill, joining US anchor reporter Fox forty five
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Speaker 2: in Baltimore, this jurisdiction. Former cop and private investigator, author
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Speaker 2: of playbook to a murder, Vincent Hill, what do you
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Speaker 2: think is happening now and what should be happening now?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, Nancy, like you said, the family is very desperate
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Speaker 12: in those letters out to those high schools, you know,
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Speaker 12: saying that he could have been in high school within
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Speaker 12: the last two years. We know the approximate age of
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Speaker 12: this suspected killer is in his early twenties, so if
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Speaker 12: you subtract that eighteen nineteen, you could have graduated from
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Speaker 12: high school. But there is a problem with that, Nancy.
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Speaker 12: And here's the thing. Just think of how close Los
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Speaker 12: Angeles is to Mexico. And we do know that this
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Speaker 12: suspect is of Hispanic descent, So it's a great tool
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Speaker 12: to try to go after and identify this guy. But
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Speaker 12: I would not get my hopes up saying that this
36:55
Speaker 12: is going to lead to this guy's name of who
36:58
Speaker 12: killed Rachel warrenback in August of last year.
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Speaker 2: Ron maybe, and you've seen the saying and evaluated it,
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Speaker 2: what do you think?
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Speaker 4: I agree, and Vincent will definitely probably agree with me
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Speaker 4: on this one. Why in the heck this is so
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Speaker 4: frustrating is does it take the family and their lawyer
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Speaker 4: to do all this police work. That's why I said earlier,
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Speaker 4: what police work is being done out in LA What
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Speaker 4: is the Sheriff's office? You know, do they have a
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Speaker 4: desk sitting at LAPD. Are they working hand in hand?
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Speaker 4: I don't know that. I'm not going to bash anybody,
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Speaker 4: but it just doesn't seem like they're doing their work.
37:34
Speaker 4: They're really trying to solve this case. I think it's
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Speaker 4: it's right in front of them. If someone just puts
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Speaker 4: the time in vincent, do you agree with that?
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Speaker 12: I agree one hundred percent. I'll go further off what
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Speaker 12: Ron just said, Like, fancy imagine he was caught on
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Speaker 12: rain camera leaving the house. You look at an affluent neighborhood,
37:52
Speaker 12: there's probably ring cameras that would have captured his car
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Speaker 12: to captured the license plate or leaving the vehicle description
37:58
Speaker 12: which way he fled. So there's a lot of missing
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Speaker 12: tools here to this investigation that we don't know if
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Speaker 12: LAPD is actually looking into.
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Speaker 2: We also understand the family has drummed up thousands in
38:12
Speaker 2: reward money. Take a listen to Sydney Sumner Crime Online.
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Speaker 13: The law firm representing the Morin family, Rice Mrtha and Sources,
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Speaker 13: has announced that after the law firm doubled the reward
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Speaker 13: to twenty thousand dollars for information leading to the capture
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Speaker 13: and conviction of Rachel Morin's killer, an anonymous woman from
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Speaker 13: bel Air, Maryland, has contributed ten thousand dollars, bringing the
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Speaker 13: total reward to thirty thousand dollars. Based on the DNA
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Speaker 13: found at Rachel Morin's crime scene being matched to a
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Speaker 13: home invasion assault in Los Angeles that provided a video
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Speaker 13: of a possible suspect. Investigators believe the suspect is about
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Speaker 13: five feet nine inches tall, around one hundred and sixty pounds,
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Speaker 13: in his early to mid twenties, and of Hispanic descent.
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Speaker 2: The reward now up to thirty thousand dollars for info
38:57
Speaker 2: leading to the arrest of Rachel Moren killer and is
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Speaker 2: there a lead a potential suspect in Washington, d C.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to Nicole parton Investigative Reporter Crime Stories.
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Speaker 16: Months after going for a walk on the Ma and
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Speaker 16: Pau Trail in Hartford County and never returning home, the
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Speaker 16: murder of Rachel moore and is still a mystery. DNA
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Speaker 16: was found at the crime scene and matched to a
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Speaker 16: home invasion in Los Angeles five months earlier, but investigators
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Speaker 16: are still not sure who the DNA belongs to. The
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Speaker 16: only evidence made public is a video of the man
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Speaker 16: they believe is a suspect leaving the home invasion scene
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Speaker 16: in LA. But now WMAR two reports investigators are following
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Speaker 16: up on a lead in Washington, d C. And even
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Speaker 16: though detectives aren't calling the person a suspect, the hope
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Speaker 16: is this person can point them in the right direction
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Speaker 16: to identify the person as a suspect.
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Speaker 2: If you have information, or think you have information on
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Speaker 2: the killer of Rachel Mourn, please dial to all free
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