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QB Competition, Kyler Murray vs. JJ McCarthy, and Training Camp Highlights · Scene Projects Sports Network

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  Welcome in to the Scene Project Sports Network.
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  This is the SPSN Tailgate Show.
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  I am your host, Bubba Starts.
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  We are so excited to be here.
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  Training camp is in full effect now.
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  The pads went on this week.
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  We got QB battles heating up.
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  We got battles all over.
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  We got a special guest coming in tonight from the vocal Vik.
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  R a p gonna be joining the show.
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  But before we get to him, we got our guy.
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  Pods, what's going on, buddy?
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  Not much, man.
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  Just trying to stay cool during this hot summer.
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  Yeah.
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  Well and and Cali's a lot different today.
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  We finally dropped down in South Dakota.
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  It's been a a blessing to finally have the temps come down.
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  I'm I'm out here.
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  This is as cold as it's been.
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  It's 74 degrees in the studio today.
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  It's as cool as it's been here in the last probably two months.
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  And it's a big reason why we took a break for most of the summer.
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  Obviously, there's not a lot of football to talk about in the month of July anyway, not
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  till the end of it.
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  Right?
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  But now training camp's heating up.
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  My studio's cooling down.
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  We're meeting in the middle.
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  Really excited about it.
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  Tonight, we were back on last week talking with coach Cody, getting some kind of just getting
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  the juices flowing again.
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  Right?
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  Training camp hadn't quite kicked off, but now we've had several practices.
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  The fans have been out there.
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  The pads have gone on.
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  It just it feels real right now.
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  It feels real, and I love it.
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  What up, y'all?
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  Hey.
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  I appreciate it.
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  And you know what?
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  Tonight, just because it's all of our beautiful friends, we're putting the comments up on the
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  stage, baby.
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  What's going on?
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  Skull mafia two e.
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  All the homies, r a p, just dropped in backstage.
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  I'm a give him a minute, do his thing, let him get ready.
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  Yep.
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  Yeah.
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  You take take as much time as you need, brother.
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  Bob, appreciate you, man.
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  I've been really enjoying tapping in.
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  Chevy, Angelo, everybody.
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  I know we've been we've been hanging out in the chat talking ball.
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  Rap went on a really good rant tonight that I think we're gonna have him rehash a little bit
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  as well just because I think it really it bears repeating.
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  You know, we're gonna talk about the QB battle.
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  We're gonna talk about, you know, our thoughts on, you know, whether it's over or not.
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  You know, both QBs, I think, have had their struggles.
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  You know?
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  It hasn't been perfect by any means, but I think we kinda have a clear front runner at
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  this point.
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  I think that a lot of us knew would be in that position.
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  I saw Toohey out there preaching the gospel on Purple Daily today.
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  Barbara, what's good, man?
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  You're right.
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  Football is back, and we are so happy for it.
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  Life is better with football.
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  Right?
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  It's just, you know, brings back the vibes.
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  There's no more you know, the speculation is kind of It brings back the
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  feeling as they say.
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  Yeah.
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  Brings back that feeling.
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  That loving feeling.
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  Bring back that loving feeling.
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  Rap was singing on his earlier tonight, so so we had to get after it.
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  No.
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  I wanna mention it right off the top.
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  You all already know what time it is.
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  I I can't wait to be up there.
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  Skullfest is coming, baby.
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  Let's go.
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  Let's go.
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  Let me get that up there.
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  Let me get that up there.
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  Look at that.
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  Skullfest, September 12.
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  SPSN are gonna be up there doing our live show from from the Crooked Pint.
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  It's gonna be a great time.
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  We hope to have some of you guys, especially the ones that are always tapping in with us
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  here on the show.
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  I hope Norse is there.
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  We can play him on and get in there.
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  Touille, I don't know if you're gonna be a skull
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  Oh, Poppy,
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  I better be there.
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  I wanna get Del.
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  Have you been watching?
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  Del is a new star in the in the podcast world.
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  Shout out to to Rap for having Del on.
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  I've really enjoyed it.
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  I hope I hope he's gonna be there.
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  We're just excited, man, to be a part of this community, and that's what you guys are.
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  Right?
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  It's not fans.
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  We're not you know, I know RAP is a star.
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  I I tell them that all the time.
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  But it's about this community.
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  Right?
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  We're just the ones that kind of have the balls, if you will, to put our takes out here
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  on video every day and the skills to be able to produce these shows and get out there.
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  But, man, we're nothing without all of you.
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  So I just wanna say, first of all, from the bottom of my heart, because so many of you have
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  come over from Raps channel to to be with us, man, like, thank you.
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  Thank you for believing in us and and, you know, tapping in on the sports network here.
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  I know we're more than just Vikings football.
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  Right?
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  We're we're doing a lot more.
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  We got a ton of golf.
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  If you guys have been following our channel, you've seen pods, shanking them into houses and
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  me doing much of the same.
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  Hey.
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  It's really a pleasure to to be able to do this.
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  So Rhap's gonna be jumping on with us.
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  He probably had to run and grab a little bite to eat and get himself prepared.
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  So
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  In my defense, I that driver I swapped for had them all going in the fairway today.
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  I only missed one one, two fairways.
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  That was it.
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  So I think as many houses.
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  Just for fun, I really wanna know how everybody feels about that QB battle.
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  So go ahead and throw your throw your couch in hot take.
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  We're gonna keep them on all night.
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  I
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  want that hot take.
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  Bring him.
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  Oh, wait.
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  Wait.
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  Wait.
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  Tall.
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  Also There we go.
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  Question to the chat here.
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  On a scale of one to 10, like being realistic, how excited are you guys to see this defense
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  this season?
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  Man, I think that's kinda been the talk of the last few days of camp.
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  Right?
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  Is that it is that defense is just kinda tearing tearing it apart.
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  And we have a lot of a lot of things to be happening here.
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  Bob, we're trying to take care of that.
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  Doing things a little bit different tonight, getting, you know, we got the livestream going
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  on and, got the live chat going that I don't usually do, but we, eleven two e.
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  Hey.
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  My my Internet's not not the best out here.
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  We're we're doing our best to bring it to go.
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  Where's Cody?
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  That's always a a great question.
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  Jeez.
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  Coming.
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  Know.
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  Lost some early.
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  They lost some keys out there.
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  Guys, I don't know how to fix the buffering issue.
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  Really I hope you to take the live chat off because that might be running bandwidth.
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  Oh, fair enough.
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  Alright.
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  Well, it was fun having you guys on here.
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  Let's pull the comments off the stage.
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  We're gonna see if that makes things better, guys.
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  Working on the production value for y'all.
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  Wanna make sure that it it's all good.
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  I've been thinking about making the switch over to to the platform that Rap is using.
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  I've been really impressed with what he's got there, but you guys let us know if it's going a
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  little bit better here, now.
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  So let us know in the chat if things are going better.
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  I just turned the live, the live chat off.
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  We'll maybe bring it up at different points during the night, but trying to keep it
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  I'll keep my eyes on the chat.
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  Appreciate it.
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  Appreciate it.
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  I'll give some shout outs.
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  So yeah.
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  You know, the big notes from the last two day okay.
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  Cool.
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  I think it was just the live chat and having that running on the background that was kinda
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  slowing us down.
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  So appreciate it, Tsui.
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  Thank you.
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  Big talk of camp right now.
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  Obviously, we got the QB battle going on, but it seems like since the pads went on, the
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  defense is just really, really stepping up, making it hard for either one of these QBs to
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  really get anything done, which I think is for me, that's a positive.
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  Right?
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  Want this defense to be back in that form of 2025, and I actually or 2024 rather.
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  I think it's gonna be even better than that.
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  I think this team, the way it's built right now, that it is going to be the takeaway is for
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  people.
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  Eater, bro.
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  Yeah.
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  You're have some purple people eater.
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  The the takeaways were what was missing last year.
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  I I know that a lot of people are gonna lean on the stats, and and we're gonna go to, you know,
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  we were a top five scoring defense, but we weren't taking the ball away.
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  And that's really what this Brian Flores defense is predicated on.
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  And what made Sam Darnold so successful in that year that, you know, he was here playing was
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  that when you're playing on a short field and you're not having to go eighty, ninety yards
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  down the field every single time a lot more birdie.
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  A lot easier of playing football.
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  Right?
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  You're putting it up.
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  So love it.
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  Just give me a thumbs up when you're ready, rap.
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  We are
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  Shout out real quick to two evil two hope.
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  He just said McCarthy and Murray are playing the Dark Souls version of football.
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  You died.
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  The and we're gonna get into those thoughts.
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  And as soon as we bring Rap in, we're gonna get because he went on a hell of a rant earlier
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  today on his show.
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  And I really I really thought it was great.
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  So with no further ado, let's bring the man in himself.
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  RAP, the vocal vic.
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  Yo.
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  What's good, man?
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  Shout out to y'all.
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  Appreciate you having me on, Bubba, for sure.
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  Hey.
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  We appreciate you not only coming on the show, but bringing the entire crew with you, man.
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  We got Did they pull up?
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  Did they pull up?
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Tuey's here, Skull Mafia, Chevy, Delton, Barber's in there.
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  We had some buffering issues that we're taking care of.
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  I I gotta get
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  Oh, Chevy.
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  Oh, Chevy.
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  Oh, they're visiting me already.
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  Okay.
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  Nah, man.
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  It's a quick Internet.
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  No.
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  And I wanna and and not without kinda going back into, you know, your entire rant, but this
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  QB competition, I think that while it served a purpose early in the season, you have to
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  motivate.
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  Right?
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  Like, that's a head coach's job is to motivate your players.
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  And I don't know I I wasn't comfortable with KOC just kinda handing the job to Kyler Murray
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  when he signed here day one and just being there.
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  I think Kyler needed to be motivated to come out and put his best foot forward, I think you
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  still need to have that motivation behind the young JJ McCarthy, but you kind of alluded to
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  it that, like, I'm kinda done with it.
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  Right?
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  Like, just go ahead and name Kyler QB one.
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  You're not gonna lose anything by JJ being the backup to that.
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  He's still the best backup that you're gonna have on the team, although Touhey is gonna have
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  his his his thoughts on that.
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  I think you still got something out there, and I think that he can develop in that practice
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  squad and in that backup role and given Kyler Murray's injury history that you he's gonna
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  play.
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  Carson Wentz may play at some point this year.
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  Right?
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  So You better hope to you better hope it don't get to that point.
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  I mean Or you're gonna
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  be looking at the twenty twenty Bronco's QB room.
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  Rep, I don't know if your mic is selected for your good mic.
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  I got it should be good now.
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  Is it good?
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  No.
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  Does it sound sound?
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  Mic going.
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  I am?
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  Alright.
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  Hold on.
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  Yep.
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  You might have to pop out and just Oh,
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  you know what?
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  I'll second.
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  Alright.
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  What about what
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  about There you are.
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  There it is.
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  You got it.
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  Alright.
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  I'm the
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  line.
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  Got
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  it.
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  Crap.
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  No, man.
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  You say that this QB room's, like, twenty twenty broncos territory if you find yourself
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  getting into the Carson Wentz starting games conversation?
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  I don't listen.
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  First of all, I think Kevin O'Connell actually likes Carson Wentz more than all the
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  quarterbacks in the room right now.
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  I said that.
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  Like, as far as just talking football with him and stuff like that, I just think he's a fan of
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  Carson Wentz.
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  But, yeah, man, we don't wanna see Carson Wentz, and I hope we don't.
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  I I'm trying to see where you're going.
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  What do you mean with the twenty twenty two broncos quarterback room?
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  Twenty twenty broncos
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  quarterback me.
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  Would would they have Jared Stidham?
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  No.
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  So they had they did have Stidham, but their entire quarterback room, first, second, and
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  third string, all got hurt to the point they had to pull a wide receiver off the practice
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  room who played quarterback in college.
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  Yeah.
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  No.
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  That wouldn't be good.
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  We'll be we'll be calling Cam Akers back, I think.
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  You'd be dragging Dante Culpepper out of retirement.
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  That's There you go.
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  For sure, man.
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  No.
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  I like so, Bubba, I'm and and I did go on a rant earlier.
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  Shout out to everybody who tapped in over there on VocalVyke when I was out, and that was not
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  expected.
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  I really wasn't I didn't plan to go down that road, to be honest with you.
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  It kinda just, it kinda just started happening because when as you talk about it, it it kinda
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  frustrates me as a fan the way things are going because there is the reality is we need to make
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  sure we're up to speed when it comes to approaching week one.
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  And the longer you drag this on and we're hearing about these inconsistencies with not
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  only JJ McCarthy, but Colin Murray, I feel like you know Colin Murray is gonna be the starter,
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  bro.
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  So there shouldn't be a reason for you to be taking valuable reps away from him.
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  I think you might as well just need to go ahead and just pull the Band Aid off, bro.
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  Quit playing.
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  Because what's gonna happen is you're gonna drag it, and then and then when it backfires
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  and collar goes out there and doesn't look ready, we're gonna blame you, bro, for for
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  doing what you're doing now.
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  That's what I'm a do.
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  That's what
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  I'm a blame you.
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  I'm a blame them for playing too much cod.
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  Well, I think I think you you kinda said it today perfectly that we got to see it.
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  You got to play the game.
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  You you made it a competition.
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  We got to see them both out there working.
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  I think with this practice on Saturday in front of the fans, you saw what the best version of
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  Kyler Murray can be out there, the layered throws, the experience.
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  Right?
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  And I I kind of alluded to this in the comments.
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  It was like, JJ McCarthy loses nothing by being behind a six year veteran who was a former
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  number one overall pick.
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  Right?
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  Like, that doesn't devalue JJ McCarthy as a football player, as
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  a
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  quarterback whatsoever.
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  But at some point, and this is training camp now, the season is literally right around the
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  corner.
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  We got real you know, preseason football next Saturday, not this Saturday, like Del was
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  saying.
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  I had to go
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  and look
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  at the
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  schedule after you guys were talking.
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  Yeah.
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  But you have to get this team, the whole team, in the best position to go win football games.
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  And that means Kyler's gotta get the first team reps right now.
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  JJ can sit back there and simmer, continue learning, continue working on his craft.
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  He's still under team control for a possible another two years.
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  Right?
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  You give him that fifth year option, and you still have the young man around.
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  There's nothing you lose nothing by him not playing and being in that backup role because
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  the odds are that he's probably going to play at some point and probably start a few games
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  this year.
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  History would tell us that that is more than likely going to happen, and that also allows
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  you to throw JJ out there for every single preseason game and just let him run.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean,
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  what's up, man?
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  What's going on, fellas?
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  Chilling out.
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  Chilling out talking about this quarterback.
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  You know?
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  Yeah.
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  Quarterback.
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  I
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  got the retro Cunningham.
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  You feel me?
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  The Cunningham.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, I was thinking about speaking of, like, older quarterbacks, not really older
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  quarterbacks, but I, you know, I I feel like why we why didn't we act like this with the
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  with with the boy from Christian Ponder?
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  You know what saying?
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  Like, I'm just curious.
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  Why we why we didn't act like this with Christian Ponder?
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  You know?
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  Those are
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  the ideas.
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  Ponder a chance?
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  You know, why we ain't keep holding on to that?
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  I'm just curious.
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  What's the difference?
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  I mean I mean, in my opinion, that that season where Christian Ponder had an alright year, led
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  us to the playoffs and then couldn't play, and then we had Joe Webb Joe Webb, walking on out
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  there out there.
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  It just it it seemed like he was struggling to get over a 125 yards passing yards passing.
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  Could you imagine if JJ McCarthy gave us a season that that Christian Ponder gave us that
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  got us to the playoffs?
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  Oh my gosh.
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  I mean, look.
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  The the the way the way certain fans are acting now off 10 games, I mean, bro, if he was to get
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  us to the playoff, it'd be over with, bro.
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  Like, you I mean, you better not say a bad word about them.
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  They were this close.
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  And granted, it was by committee with the quarterbacks last season because you didn't
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  mean, you had throwbacks.
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  Brosmer won a game last year.
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  Right?
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  And you came one win away from playing postseason football.
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  Right?
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  And and I think that gets lost.
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  And, really, it's just people get caught up in the lows of McCarthy, and and and I know that
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  Touhey in some ways is definitely trolling.
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  We know that JJ McCarthy isn't the worst quarterback in all of the NFL.
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  Right?
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  And when they did the rankings today, they did the tiers.
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  You know, he came in in that fourth tier, I think, 35 bet best, you know, best quarterback
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  at least on that ranking.
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  And I think it'd be really easy for him to go out, develop this year, and maybe if he has to
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  start at the end of the year to look like a guy that's more in that 20 range.
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  I mean, Kyler Murray was ranked in that 23, and this is by GMs and people in the league.
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  Right?
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  So the the league ain't real high on Kyler Murray either.
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  Right?
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  So you have your two quarterbacks are nestled in there between twenty three and thirty five,
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  and that's not a bad quarterback room to have, especially when you kinda forecast that both of
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  them could play above where that status is right now.
• 18:52
  Yeah.
• 18:53
  Mean yeah.
• 18:54
  Go ahead.
• 18:54
  Go ahead, bro.
• 18:55
  Go ahead.
• 18:57
  I mean, that's still not great either way.
• 19:00
  Like 10 Like, this is my this
• 19:02
  is my thing.
• 19:03
  I'm
• 19:04
  I'm with him, bubba.
• 19:05
  Like
• 19:05
  be a little hyperbolic.
• 19:07
  Yeah.
• 19:08
  Please.
• 19:09
  Let me be hyperbolic here.
• 19:10
  But I think what was Kyler ranked twenty third?
• 19:16
  Yeah.
• 19:16
  He was 23.
• 19:16
  Yeah.
• 19:17
  He was 23.
• 19:18
  That's still too high.
• 19:21
  You think that's too high?
• 19:22
  Closer to, like, I do.
• 19:25
  I I really do.
• 19:26
  I think Kyle is actually probably closer to, like, 26, 27.
• 19:29
  I
• 19:32
  mean, I'm I'm not gonna argue with you about that, I guess.
• 19:35
  It's not We're
• 19:35
  talking about three spots,
• 19:36
  man.
• 19:36
  Yeah.
• 19:37
  Yeah.
• 19:37
  I thought it was you.
• 19:37
  I thought you were 35?
• 19:41
  Listen.
• 19:41
  JJ McCarthy shouldn't even be on the list, technically.
• 19:44
  Let's just be Thank you.
• 19:45
  Technically, yeah.
• 19:46
  But that's what I've alluded to with people that wanted to, like, oh, you gotta trade him.
• 19:49
  He's the worst ever.
• 19:50
  You gotta trade him.
• 19:50
  It's like, look.
• 19:51
  As far as a backup quarterback goes, you can do a lot worse.
• 19:55
  There are a lot of teams that are in a lot worse spot should their number one guy go down.
• 20:01
  Right?
• 20:01
  So the to trade him before the season
• 20:04
  starts not the third best guy.
• 20:06
  Is crazy.
• 20:08
  Yeah.
• 20:08
  But he's not the third best guy backups that were on backup.
• 20:12
  That list of 30 something that were higher than he is.
• 20:15
  Right?
• 20:16
  But we've always said top 40.
• 20:17
  That was kind of the argument that we've made on the show before is is JJ McCarthy a top 40
• 20:22
  quarterback in the league?
• 20:24
  And I don't know that there's many people or I don't think there's many people that would say
• 20:29
  that JJ McCarthy isn't a top 40 quarterback in the league, which puts him in the upper half of
• 20:35
  your backup QBs.
• 20:36
  That's why I was against trading him to get nothing back, to get a fifth rounder back.
• 20:41
  Like, it it that didn't make sense.
• 20:43
  At this point,
• 20:45
  I have name.
• 20:45
  Who's better?
• 20:47
  What's that?
• 20:49
  Backups that are better than JJ McCarthy.
• 20:53
  Alright.
• 20:54
  San Francisco.
• 20:54
  I'll just name teams that I think have a better
• 20:56
  San Francisco has a better backup quarterback.
• 20:59
  Francisco has a better room.
• 21:01
  Where would be a dollar Jones?
• 21:04
  Yeah.
• 21:05
  It that that one's obvious to me.
• 21:08
  I don't even rap, what time Dartmouth too.
• 21:10
  Maybe the Colts?
• 21:12
  I don't know.
• 21:12
  Would you say what however the Colts situation plays out?
• 21:15
  No.
• 21:15
  Well, Anthony Richardson you know, Anthony Richardson and and JJ are essentially the same
• 21:20
  quarterback.
• 21:21
  Yeah.
• 21:21
  As far as, like, what they've done so far.
• 21:24
  You know?
• 21:24
  You could say, like, oh, JJ has a ton of upside, and he's gonna do this, and he's gonna
• 21:29
  do that.
• 21:29
  The same thing with with Anthony Richardson, but it's like, okay.
• 21:33
  Well, we're going on year three.
• 21:34
  Where is it at?
• 21:35
  Like, that's that's that's pretty much all.
• 21:37
  That's where I'm at with it right at this point.
• 21:39
  You know what I'm saying?
• 21:39
  Like, I'm just kinda sick of it, to be real.
• 21:42
  I'm a be real.
• 21:42
  And I was and Bubba, you know this, man.
• 21:44
  Like, I was a I'm a huge I still say I am.
• 21:48
  I'm not even gonna say I was because I still root for him.
• 21:51
  I don't wanna see him fail.
• 21:52
  It's not like I'm wishing bad on him.
• 21:54
  But what it is is in 2026, I told myself, I'm not attaching the players anymore, man.
• 22:00
  I'm attaching to the Vikings, and I want the Vikings to do what is right and do what's best
• 22:05
  for the team.
• 22:06
  It's hard to convince me that starting Kyler Murray isn't better for the Vikings than
• 22:11
  starting JJ McCarthy.
• 22:13
  That's just I mean, it's just hard for me to really fathom that because at this point in
• 22:18
  time, when you have a wide receiver, you paid money, Justin Jefferson, arguably the best in
• 22:23
  the league.
• 22:23
  You have Brian Flores, arguably the best defensive, coordinator in the league.
• 22:28
  You got two bookend tackles as barring they stay healthy.
• 22:32
  You have great linebacker play.
• 22:34
  And, man, look, man.
• 22:35
  This is not a time to be BS ing around out here trying to figure out what ifs.
• 22:40
  I feel like you need to put in what you know as matter of fact.
• 22:44
  And when you look at Kevin O'Connell's trends, he he is successful every single time.
• 22:50
  We have we have we have actual data of this.
• 22:53
  He is successful when he gets a veteran like Kirk Cousins, when he gets a veteran like Sam
• 22:58
  Darnold.
• 22:59
  And now Colin Murray fits that shoe.
• 23:02
  Okay?
• 23:02
  When it comes to him putting in young quarterbacks, it looks like a mess.
• 23:06
  It's a it's a different size shoe.
• 23:08
  Sharon Hall.
• 23:10
  It's a fucking disaster, man.
• 23:12
  Yeah.
• 23:12
  For real, bro.
• 23:14
  Yeah.
• 23:14
  He definitely needs to have players that understand what he's seeing and have that
• 23:19
  experience.
• 23:20
  But I also don't I I don't begrudge him for playing this whole competition out.
• 23:25
  Right?
• 23:25
  Because I think that you would've you would have you would've left a bad taste in a lot of
• 23:31
  people's mouth.
• 23:31
  JJ McCarthy probably number one who felt like he at least deserved a shot.
• 23:34
  He got that shot now.
• 23:36
  He's still showing the same inconsistencies that a young player who doesn't have the six
• 23:40
  years of experience and the same arm talent.
• 23:43
  The kid's gotta rock it, but it's the arm talent isn't the same as what Kyler Murray
• 23:48
  brings to the table.
• 23:50
  Right?
• 23:51
  You you saw it.
• 23:52
  Right?
• 23:53
  The the the top level of what Kyler can do is higher than what JJ can bring you now.
• 23:58
  What we what I wanted to see before I just kinda claimed what I didn't like was how so
• 24:04
  many fans just, like, claimed he was the savior before he ever stepped on a field in purple and
• 24:09
  gold.
• 24:10
  Right?
• 24:10
  Talking about JJ McCarthy or Kyle?
• 24:11
  Talking about Kyler.
• 24:13
  Like, as soon as we signed him, he's the savior of the franchise, guy that's had a really down
• 24:17
  last four years of his career.
• 24:19
  I'm a what have you done for me lately kinda guy.
• 24:21
  Like, you gotta prove it.
• 24:22
  And I felt like with this quote, unquote competition coming in here that you allowed
• 24:27
  Kyler now to go out and prove it to the rest of the fan base.
• 24:30
  Even as a JJ apologist, and I don't think JJ loses anything by not being named the starter.
• 24:35
  I don't think it devalues him as a player.
• 24:38
  I don't think that it's a shot at him to say he's never going to achieve that starting
• 24:42
  caliber player.
• 24:43
  He's just not there yet.
• 24:45
  And now you have a guy in front of him that you can point to and go, you can't do those things
• 24:50
  yet.
• 24:51
  You're not doing those at a high enough level at a at a consistent level to be the guy.
• 24:58
  Right?
• 24:59
  So I I kind of I'm with you though that, like, I've seen enough now.
• 25:04
  Right?
• 25:04
  Kyler obviously looks healthy.
• 25:06
  Kyler is whipping the ball around there.
• 25:08
  He seems to be getting a grasp on this offense.
• 25:10
  Now I know Dell was a little disappointed with your your boy Will's assessment from practice
• 25:16
  the other day.
• 25:17
  Yeah.
• 25:17
  And it wasn't perfect, but it's not gonna be perfect.
• 25:20
  And that's exactly why what you said today, Kyler needs to get all the number one reps from
• 25:25
  here on out.
• 25:25
  Let JJ simmer.
• 25:26
  Let him keep growing and working on the things he needs to work on.
• 25:30
  Just come out with it.
• 25:31
  I have no problem with it.
• 25:32
  Even as a huge JJ McCarthy fan, I don't feel like I'm doing wrong by JJ and saying, hey,
• 25:37
  brother.
• 25:38
  We gotta do what's right for the team, man.
• 25:40
  Like, you're gonna learn.
• 25:41
  You're gonna be there.
• 25:42
  You're gonna be on the team.
• 25:43
  You have to be ready for when we need you.
• 25:45
  Right?
• 25:46
  You have to be ready.
• 25:47
  And to now go in to to this last few weeks of training camp, the seasons well, like, it's
• 25:54
  here.
• 25:54
  Right?
• 25:55
  It's here, bro.
• 25:56
  Yeah.
• 25:56
  You you have to get it.
• 25:57
  You have to get k m one up to speed with the number ones.
• 26:01
  Let him go out there and do it.
• 26:03
  And, Rev, we've kind of spoke about it, and I like that you're kind of repeating this line
• 26:06
  because it's something that I said months ago.
• 26:08
  Look.
• 26:09
  The best thing that could happen for this team is that Kyler goes and balls out until the
• 26:14
  trade deadline.
• 26:15
  You see things from JJ, and maybe he started a game at this point, and you've seen him go out
• 26:20
  and throw for two eighty to three fifty and to look like the guy and you feel you can have
• 26:25
  that confidence in him, you go flip a guy that you're paying nothing for maybe a first round
• 26:30
  pick in a Yeah.
• 26:31
  Note in a deep draft next year, that's winning.
• 26:34
  That is winning on on a different level.
• 26:37
  And and I know a lot of people will be like, well, you may be giving up on a Super Bowl.
• 26:41
  I don't know that Kyler Murray has that game.
• 26:44
  I don't know if he's enough to get that over that way.
• 26:47
  We're gonna see when live bullets start flying because one thing I think has been one thing
• 26:53
  that has been really evident with with the comments I'm hearing from camp is that to put
• 27:02
  Kyler Murray under center is gonna be a detriment to the player and to the team because
• 27:06
  he's gonna get lost in that.
• 27:08
  Like, his size is a factor regardless of how you feel about the player.
• 27:12
  That size is a factor in there.
• 27:14
  Yeah.
• 27:14
  No.
• 27:14
  I and, you know, I, I agree with I I agree with those takes.
• 27:19
  Here's here's another thing that's hard for me to just get past, right, when people talk about
• 27:24
  Colin Murray.
• 27:26
  This man won mister Texas in high school football two years in a row, state champion,
• 27:32
  the Texas football.
• 27:34
  Anybody who knows high school football tech those high schools will beat some d two college
• 27:39
  teams, beat them to death.
• 27:41
  You know what mean?
• 27:41
  Like, that's how good the competition is down there in Texas, and he did that as a
• 27:45
  quarterback.
• 27:46
  That's not luck.
• 27:47
  Alright?
• 27:48
  That's not saying that that that's hard for me to it's hard for me to fathom that, well, Kyler
• 27:53
  Murray
• 27:54
  just isn't good
• 27:54
  because this isn't good at all.
• 27:56
  He went from that to then going to college and winning the Heisman.
• 28:01
  That's not luck either.
• 28:02
  You know what I'm saying?
• 28:03
  And then he went first overall and won rookie of the year through over 3,000 yards, his
• 28:08
  rookie season for a trash organization.
• 28:11
  Right?
• 28:12
  That Don't forget the I was also offensive rookie of the year as well.
• 28:15
  Thank you.
• 28:16
  I like I like golf, man.
• 28:18
  I like golf.
• 28:19
  Where'd you find this guy, Bubba?
• 28:20
  You know I'm saying?
• 28:22
  You talking about life.
• 28:23
  Like, so that's the thing.
• 28:24
  And this isn't glazing this isn't glazing Kyler Murray.
• 28:28
  He's an accomplished athlete.
• 28:29
  He's an accomplished athlete.
• 28:31
  Thank you.
• 28:32
  You know?
• 28:32
  Like, it's it's it's one thing to say, okay.
• 28:34
  And you do have players where, hey.
• 28:35
  They fall off the they fall off the cliff.
• 28:37
  Hey.
• 28:38
  They had it at one point in their career, and then all of a sudden, boom, it just isn't there
• 28:41
  anymore.
• 28:42
  But what we've already I'll say this.
• 28:44
  What we've already seen.
• 28:45
  Right?
• 28:46
  Let's just say Colin Murray, his peak was his second year, right, through 3,800 yards and 30
• 28:51
  plus that's his peak.
• 28:52
  He can only get there again.
• 28:54
  If we get that 2,800, that's a good season.
• 28:57
  If
• 28:57
  we get that Colin Murray in 2026, we're Super Bowl contenders at that point.
• 29:03
  You know?
• 29:03
  Like, we we really are.
• 29:05
  I don't know, man.
• 29:06
  I don't even know if JJ McCarthy can throw 300 yards in a game, bruh.
• 29:10
  I'm just I'm just being real.
• 29:11
  I just don't.
• 29:12
  Let let me add to this a little bit a little bit.
• 29:16
  You've got JJ who I really do think the best case scenario, does start to show signs of
• 29:25
  being that guy.
• 29:27
  Do I think it's likely?
• 29:28
  Not really.
• 29:31
  You.
• 29:32
  I don't.
• 29:33
  The thing with Kyle there though too that I'm worried about about is it how bought in is he
• 29:39
  compared to how bought in Sam Darnold was?
• 29:43
  How bought in Kirk Cousins was?
• 29:46
  Yeah.
• 29:47
  Because the thing that we've known about Kyler is that he has a a lack of focus, if you will.
• 29:55
  The thing I'm gonna give him is that he was in pretty much a poverty franchise for six years,
• 30:03
  went through a lot of coaches, went through a lot of turnover on that roster and staff.
• 30:09
  KOC gets him on board.
• 30:12
  Maybe KOC turns him around and we get 2023 Kyler Murray.
• 30:19
  We get 2022 Kyler Murray.
• 30:21
  Now that's someone that Bubba alluded to.
• 30:26
  You can flip for picks or you have the opportunity to go all in too on him if you
• 30:34
  think he's that guy.
• 30:37
  Say My question is how
• 30:39
  long do you give it?
• 30:40
  I
• 30:42
  mean, I say you give it I say you give it this season.
• 30:45
  Okay?
• 30:46
  And that's another thing.
• 30:47
  That's what that's what's also, like, putting me in this mind state of quit playing at
• 30:53
  practice right now.
• 30:54
  Like, quit all the BS.
• 30:55
  Like, because because if anything, we need to see if we actually have them because there is a
• 31:00
  world where Kyler Murray could be the franchise quarterback for the Minnesota Viking.
• 31:05
  I know people don't want yeah.
• 31:06
  I know there's people out there that don't wanna hear that, but that's the reality.
• 31:10
  The reality is if he plays similar to a Sam Donald played in twenty twenty four, at that
• 31:17
  point, you you you absolutely must pay him.
• 31:20
  You must pay him because you if if you don't, it tells me that you haven't learned your
• 31:24
  lesson.
• 31:25
  Because where we'll be is you'll let Kyler walk, and let's just say Kyler plays the entire
• 31:30
  season.
• 31:30
  JJ's sitting behind him.
• 31:32
  We don't know if JJ developed or not.
• 31:34
  What are we gonna take KOC's word for it?
• 31:37
  That he was at practice taking a couple throws of practice, and then all of a sudden now he's
• 31:40
  ready going on year four?
• 31:42
  I'm not buying that, man.
• 31:44
  I'm not buying that because, again, we're gonna be on the outside on the outside looking in
• 31:49
  while Kyler goes to another team, and he's freaking hitting his stride now in his prime
• 31:53
  because he's not old.
• 31:54
  He's 28.
• 31:56
  He's 28 years old.
• 31:58
  He still got time.
• 31:59
  This man can still play quarterback for another nine years.
• 32:03
  Yeah.
• 32:04
  To be able to be able to let Kyler you would have to see JJ on the field.
• 32:08
  What I think is that I don't know I don't know what the financial of this team, and I know we
• 32:12
  can kinda, you know, f a cap.
• 32:14
  Right?
• 32:14
  People can make it work.
• 32:15
  Is Kyler Murray gonna take now he took, I would say he took a pay cut.
• 32:19
  He could've gone and gone and got paid from somebody else.
• 32:22
  Echo on me
• 32:22
  or my No.
• 32:23
  You're I
• 32:24
  think it's something is better now.
• 32:25
  Little better now.
• 32:26
  It must have just been that that my new microphone, but we'll get it all figured out,
• 32:29
  man.
• 32:29
  It's it's preseason for us too.
• 32:31
  Preseason, man.
• 32:32
  It's practice.
• 32:33
  Not a game.
• 32:34
  Not a game.
• 32:35
  Practice.
• 32:37
  We you would have to see JJ on the field starting in games to to get the buy in from the
• 32:43
  fan base that you would need to make that.
• 32:46
  What the biggest fear and maybe it is because Kyler's made plenty of money.
• 32:50
  Right?
• 32:51
  Like, the the man's gotten paid.
• 32:52
  He he's made money in this league.
• 32:54
  How important is it to him now in this in this part of his career to say, I I care about my
• 33:02
  legacy.
• 33:03
  Right?
• 33:03
  I need to add Super Bowl champion and maybe multiple time Super Bowl champion to my resume
• 33:09
  to feel that.
• 33:11
  Does does Hall of Fame matter to him?
• 33:13
  Right?
• 33:13
  Do these things matter to the player, to the man?
• 33:17
  And if they do, are you gonna take a substantial pay cut from what you could?
• 33:22
  Would he take 38,000,000 a year?
• 33:25
  Right?
• 33:25
  Which helps your team probably add two solid players, you know, or are you gonna be like,
• 33:31
  no.
• 33:31
  I need $60,000,000.
• 33:32
  Because I don't think the Vikings are gonna pony up $60,000,000 to to pay a quarterback for
• 33:37
  multiple years.
• 33:38
  It it's not happening.
• 33:39
  And I think the teams that are paying their quarterbacks to that level are going to start
• 33:44
  to fade.
• 33:44
  Right?
• 33:45
  Like, there's a limit to these things.
• 33:47
  And Yeah.
• 33:48
  You you and everybody outplays it.
• 33:50
  What I was waiting to see and the reason that I wasn't on the early train of, like, Kyler's the
• 33:54
  man.
• 33:54
  It is what it is.
• 33:55
  The is the is he the same guy physically that he that he was in 2022?
• 34:01
  More experience now, but Mhmm.
• 34:03
  The body ages.
• 34:04
  Right?
• 34:05
  And now he's in that, what, 28.
• 34:07
  Right?
• 34:07
  27
• 34:08
  years old.
• 34:08
  28 years old.
• 34:10
  You're starting to lose a little bit of that step, right, which is gonna take away from the
• 34:14
  elusiveness in the backfield because these other guys are getting younger and faster the
• 34:19
  entire time too.
• 34:20
  Are is he gonna be able to get away with the shit that he was doing when he was 23, 24 years
• 34:25
  old?
• 34:26
  And that's what worries me because his game is built around those things.
• 34:31
  Can KOC coach him up to make the safe plays?
• 34:34
  Can KOC train him in this offense that is predicated on timing and not the backyard, you
• 34:41
  know, you know, schoolyard football and get him to play inside of a system.
• 34:46
  And that's why I was very, you know, a little hesitant, a little bit more patient.
• 34:50
  Right?
• 34:50
  I didn't have to make a decision in None.
• 34:52
  For sure.
• 34:53
  February when the signing happened to say this is the man.
• 34:56
  But at this point, and I know it's only been a handful of practices, I think the the Saturday
• 35:01
  practice is damning because Kyler looked to the top of his game, and he just needs to get
• 35:07
  consistent in that.
• 35:08
  JJ hasn't looked that good in anything that he's ever done.
• 35:13
  Right?
• 35:13
  He's never looked that good in his entirety of the three years that he's been here.
• 35:18
  So Right.
• 35:19
  I think it proves exactly what you're saying.
• 35:20
  JJ still has a ways to go, but now at least he has someone in the room to look up to to go,
• 35:26
  okay.
• 35:27
  I need to get to that.
• 35:28
  Those are the things that I need to do and work on and grow into to be a starter in this
• 35:33
  league.
• 35:33
  Because right now, he's on the outside looking in, and that's across the board in the rest.
• 35:39
  There's no team that's picking him up to be a starter.
• 35:41
  So one No.
• 35:42
  If you're JJ, why leave?
• 35:44
  Right?
• 35:44
  You might as well stay where you're at.
• 35:46
  You have a fan base that I think it kind of speaks to how much the fan base still believes
• 35:51
  in or at least half of it does, that you still have some of that love and some of that, you
• 35:56
  know, that belief in you.
• 35:58
  It's not gonna hurt him at all to sit in the background and to just let this thing simmer
• 36:02
  and play out how it's gonna play out.
• 36:04
  The big decision is gonna be if Kyler balls out, is he gonna take the contract that the
• 36:10
  Vikings are gonna be willing to give him, or is he gonna walk away for a big payday from a
• 36:16
  probably bad football team and to go and to kind of be mister irrelevant again on a you
• 36:22
  know what I mean?
• 36:22
  Like, you're just gonna go be another, you know, top 10 caliber or top 20 caliber
• 36:27
  quarterback who plays for a shitty team and never gets to that level of play.
• 36:32
  And and I that's why my questions are with the man.
• 36:34
  How much do you want to win?
• 36:36
  How much do you want a Super Bowl, hall of fame?
• 36:39
  Do those words matter to you, or do you just wanna get paid in this game?
• 36:43
  Because I think that's where a Tom Brady that's why he's got all the accolade and the the rings
• 36:49
  and the champions, the the trophies on the wall is because he was that guy.
• 36:53
  To say, I'm gonna take less and be a team guy so that we can build a championship roster.
• 36:59
  Yeah.
• 37:00
  No.
• 37:00
  I I agree I agree with that too.
• 37:02
  I I also think about it like
• 37:05
  Nailed that to a t.
• 37:06
  The re there I also think about this too is there also is a high probability that JJ
• 37:13
  McCarthy just isn't good.
• 37:16
  Like, there there there's a there's a high chance that JJ McCarthy just isn't good.
• 37:20
  So at that point, you don't even wanna hold on to him.
• 37:22
  It just didn't it's just like, why?
• 37:24
  It is insanely established that he's top 40.
• 37:27
  So what's wrong with keeping the guy and him just be your perennial backup?
• 37:30
  You never pay him any money.
• 37:31
  You have somebody in there that just has it that the fan base loves, that the locker room
• 37:35
  loves.
• 37:36
  It it equates me there was a guy that played for the bears and kind of a journeyman, and his
• 37:40
  name evades me right now.
• 37:42
  But, you know, essentially, a a, you know, a a coach, a guy that you know can step in and win
• 37:48
  a few games, that still has value on a team.
• 37:51
  No.
• 37:51
  It wasn't Trabiski.
• 37:52
  It was it was another guy.
• 37:53
  I I think he ended up he's got a podcast on it.
• 37:55
  I'll tell you I'll tell you why, though, Bubba, why I believe that wouldn't work.
• 37:59
  It's because I think I think there's a relationship there that at that point is
• 38:05
  fractured to no return.
• 38:07
  So, like, you know, I think that'd be more
• 38:09
  coach and the player, you're saying?
• 38:11
  Right.
• 38:11
  Like, I just I just think it's not so much of, oh, he has the ability to be a really good
• 38:16
  backup.
• 38:17
  Yeah.
• 38:17
  That's true.
• 38:18
  But I don't know if there's gonna be I don't know if it's gonna be able to work from a
• 38:23
  relationship standpoint of him staying in Minnesota.
• 38:26
  Because if I I mean, if I'm thinking about it from JJ's point of view, listen.
• 38:30
  You had faith in me.
• 38:32
  I only played 10 games.
• 38:34
  You bring in another guy to take my job and really, like, once Kevin o I'm a I'm a say it.
• 38:40
  This is a hot take, but I'm a tell you right now.
• 38:43
  The day that Kevin O'Connell comes out and names Colin Murray the starting quarterback,
• 38:49
  alright, the day that comes, I guarantee you there will be a report coming out that JJ
• 38:55
  McCarthy is frustrated.
• 38:57
  JJ McCarthy feels betrayed, and I wouldn't be surprised if the trade talk starts to ramp up
• 39:04
  even before the season because that's the mentality he has, and he probably feels like he
• 39:09
  was failed as as a young player.
• 39:11
  And his agent will probably be in his ear.
• 39:13
  I'm sure his father will be in his ear.
• 39:16
  I'm sure his girlfriend will be in his ear.
• 39:18
  Like, there's gonna be a lot of outside influences that are gonna say, baby, they did
• 39:23
  you wrong.
• 39:23
  Like, they did you wrong.
• 39:24
  They didn't give you a fair shake, and and everybody knows that.
• 39:28
  Alright?
• 39:28
  And at that point, he might say, you know what?
• 39:30
  I want out.
• 39:31
  And to that point, I think there's plenty of teams that he could go start in.
• 39:34
  Even if you're not gonna rank him as a top 32 quarterback, I think there's teams that he
• 39:39
  could go and win a starting job in today.
• 39:42
  Right?
• 39:42
  Like, he could go out there, but there's just no team that's gonna where's the value at?
• 39:46
  I think it's easier to just pay a guy on a rookie contract to be your backup, let his
• 39:50
  contract go.
• 39:51
  Maybe you don't pick up the fifth year option.
• 39:53
  You let him ride this contract to go.
• 39:55
  I feel like you're almost better off just kinda letting him walk.
• 39:57
  Maybe he builds value and somebody really needs a quarterback through next year if a Kyler
• 40:02
  Murray does stay, that your your value is built up.
• 40:05
  He actually makes himself more valuable by not playing, and we can kind of feed the media
• 40:10
  things and to say, oh, yeah.
• 40:11
  JJ's looking way better and maybe fleece somebody for a third round pick rather than
• 40:16
  letting him go for nothing right now.
• 40:18
  And and that was kind of a big thing that I talked about a lot leading up to the season
• 40:23
  here is that, like, there is no reason to go out and to trade this man.
• 40:27
  And whether he requests the trade or not, like, I don't.
• 40:29
  Who cares?
• 40:30
  They don't the team has control.
• 40:32
  Right?
• 40:32
  Like,
• 40:32
  they're Yeah.
• 40:33
  But it but but, you know, that's that's unhealthy, in my opinion, Oba, because, like,
• 40:37
  this is the thing.
• 40:37
  If it comes down to where we gotta count on you, you're not really there.
• 40:41
  Like, you're you're not there.
• 40:43
  You're not there emotionally.
• 40:44
  Like, for example, we need you to come in.
• 40:46
  We got two weeks left in the season.
• 40:47
  These are must win football games for us to make the playoffs because the starter went
• 40:51
  down.
• 40:51
  J.
• 40:52
  J.
• 40:52
  McCarthy would wanna go to the cardinals.
• 40:54
  You you don't you're not really you're not really in it to win it, like, because you're
• 40:58
  already feel disrespected.
• 40:59
  You know, it's
• 41:00
  just But that's exactly why the coach has to come out and say that it's a competition.
• 41:04
  Let the competition play out, which I think it has now, and and to say, hey.
• 41:09
  We had a competition.
• 41:10
  It was open.
• 41:11
  Both guys had an opportunity to take it.
• 41:13
  At this point, we need to make a decision.
• 41:15
  This is the decision we're making.
• 41:17
  That that way, you don't have to have it be like a KOC doesn't like JJ McCarthy kind of
• 41:22
  conversation.
• 41:23
  You say, hey.
• 41:24
  We gave the kid a chance.
• 41:25
  You all saw the performance that was out there.
• 41:28
  You you we saw it.
• 41:29
  The players saw it, and and Kyler's our guy moving forward for the 2026 season.
• 41:34
  And and because Kyler's not under contract for the future, you you kinda go right back to
• 41:40
  square one at the end of the season anyway.
• 41:43
  Right?
• 41:43
  You're right back to flush and possibly talking about another QB battle moving into the 2027
• 41:49
  season anyway.
• 41:50
  So I don't think that there's anything lost.
• 41:52
  I would hate to see a JJ McCarthy get disgruntled in this year when I think he would
• 41:57
  really benefit from just hanging back and being patient and learning.
• 42:03
  Yeah.
• 42:04
  I mean, no.
• 42:04
  I'm I'm with you, man.
• 42:06
  Like, I'm a again, I'm a big JJ fan.
• 42:09
  I you know, I love JJ McCarthy.
• 42:13
  Not to cut you off, rap, but I I wanna get on Dell a little bit here.
• 42:16
  Dell, first of all, I've loved you on with RAP the last few days, man.
• 42:20
  Yeah.
• 42:21
  I didn't see anything come out about camp today.
• 42:23
  Obviously, we're all kind of behind.
• 42:25
  I'm getting most of my information from the Purple Daily crew as they're coming out and
• 42:29
  doing their recaps in the morning, so I will start there.
• 42:32
  But you said it yourself in yesterday's practice or in yesterday's show talking about
• 42:36
  the practice before, you know, that neither one of these quarterbacks are good right now.
• 42:41
  Right?
• 42:41
  But I think you have already seen that the best of Kyler Murray is better than the best of at
• 42:49
  least the J.
• 42:50
  J.
• 42:50
  McCarthy that we have seen so far.
• 42:52
  And I think for that reason alone, now that I've seen it with my own eyes and and I have,
• 42:57
  you know, seen this kind of play out in camp and hearing things that we have it.
• 43:02
  That it's so cool.
• 43:04
  So Kyler sucks the least about right now.
• 43:06
  Yep.
• 43:07
  So Yeah.
• 43:08
  Like, then that has to be the decision of the head coach.
• 43:11
  And and and this is the thing.
• 43:13
  Yeah.
• 43:13
  And I've and I'm with you on that.
• 43:15
  And, like, even if
• 43:16
  And, Del, you've been there.
• 43:17
  Correct?
• 43:17
  Del, you've been at the you're living in the area.
• 43:19
  He was there yesterday too.
• 43:21
  So Yeah.
• 43:21
  He was there yesterday too.
• 43:22
  Yo.
• 43:24
  Yeah.
• 43:24
  Go ahead.
• 43:24
  Go ahead.
• 43:25
  Rob, let me give a hot take real quick.
• 43:26
  Yeah.
• 43:27
  So they both suck right now.
• 43:29
  I feel like the only way that JJ gets any value on the field, like trade value, is if he starts
• 43:36
  playing like Mac McClung or like Mac Jones did for San Francisco when Purdy was out.
• 43:42
  Like, that's the only way, you know, JJ is gonna build any kind of credit to get and be
• 43:50
  like, okay.
• 43:51
  I can go start for a team.
• 43:52
  But I think the reality is oh, jeez.
• 43:56
  You better hope not.
• 43:57
  I think I think the reality is, and I don't know how much longer he has on the deal, I
• 44:06
  think you actually hope for someone like a Mac Jones to become available and you actually go
• 44:12
  and offer him a contract.
• 44:14
  Yeah.
• 44:15
  Because what you got right now is not good.
• 44:19
  Yeah.
• 44:20
  So and so the consensus
• 44:22
  Rep, can you send Dell a link?
• 44:24
  Dell, I I would love if you're available to jump on with us, man, I'd love because you've
• 44:28
  been there.
• 44:28
  You have the eyes on this.
• 44:30
  I would love to get an update, on, you know, Did you did you text
• 44:34
  it to me?
• 44:34
  Did you text me the link?
• 44:35
  It's in your, it's in your email.
• 44:37
  Yeah.
• 44:38
  Yeah.
• 44:38
  You emailed it?
• 44:38
  Hold on.
• 44:39
  Let me, but, the consensus today too is that they both looked bad.
• 44:46
  There was somebody who said, I will ragged say it.
• 44:48
  I mean, if you're gonna give it to somebody, I guess, you would give it to JJ because he may
• 44:52
  have completed one or two more passes on seven on sevens, but the the reality is, I think
• 44:58
  here's the thing too with JJ.
• 45:00
  We're we're talking about a guy that's his third year in the offense compared to a guy
• 45:06
  that's six days in.
• 45:07
  He should be headed
• 45:08
  shoulders above
• 45:09
  a pile of 49.
• 45:11
  Like Not barely.
• 45:12
  That's where the problem is.
• 45:14
  That's where the concern comes in.
• 45:15
  It's because you're comparing a guy that has been in the offense and should know and should
• 45:22
  be out there kinda just going through the motions, but he's not.
• 45:26
  He's still struggling.
• 45:27
  QB one.
• 45:29
  Rob, can I can I just say this, brother?
• 45:31
  I I truly I don't say this to, like, disparage the young man.
• 45:36
  Yeah.
• 45:37
  But you are struggling like this in year three of the same offense with the same coach.
• 45:44
  Granted your first year, you got injured, but you did go through the whole camp before the
• 45:49
  injury happened.
• 45:50
  Yeah.
• 45:50
  And you're struggling the same then, and you're struggling with the same issues now that you
• 45:56
  were then.
• 45:56
  Like, come on.
• 45:58
  Maybe, like you said earlier, man, maybe JJ just sucks.
• 46:04
  That's what I'm saying, man.
• 46:04
  There's a possibility.
• 46:06
  I mean, I know I know fans.
• 46:07
  We're we're trying to hold on to it because we've it's been a while since we've actually
• 46:11
  drafted a quarterback, and he pans out and, you know, can't remember the last time that's
• 46:15
  happened.
• 46:16
  Right?
• 46:16
  So I get it.
• 46:17
  Right?
• 46:17
  You wanna as a fan, you wanna you want it to work really bad.
• 46:20
  I want it to work really bad too.
• 46:22
  But, like, hearing some some of these things coming out of practice, it's just like, man,
• 46:27
  there's a world where JJ just may not be a starting quarter a a franchise.
• 46:31
  Good.
• 46:32
  Might not be good, man.
• 46:34
  You know what mean?
• 46:34
  He might be he's okay, and he'll show flashes, and he'll do this down the third.
• 46:38
  And he has the mentality.
• 46:39
  You know?
• 46:39
  He's the winner.
• 46:40
  He has the you you know, you wanna you wanna run through a wall for him on the field, but
• 46:45
  the actual ability the actual ability to be able to throw on time.
• 46:51
  Don't hold on to the football.
• 46:53
  You know, there's these things that we're hearing about where it's just like, these
• 46:58
  shouldn't this shouldn't be happening, man.
• 47:00
  This should be ironed out by now.
• 47:02
  Yeah.
• 47:02
  This should be ironed this should be ironed out, man.
• 47:05
  Like, you're still having Practice?
• 47:06
  Timing issues.
• 47:08
  How?
• 47:09
  At practice?
• 47:10
  Come on, man.
• 47:11
  You know, like, I I don't know, man.
• 47:14
  Yeah.
• 47:14
  And I think that's why you just need to come out and name Kyler the starter.
• 47:18
  Let him keep going out there because you're not seeing what you needed to see out of JJ to name
• 47:25
  him that that starter.
• 47:27
  And I don't think that there's any I don't think they that that it was a charade or a
• 47:31
  farce to call it a competition, but it's very easy to kinda just say, hey.
• 47:36
  But Bubba, I mean, I don't I don't mean to cut you off, Bubba, but I because you because you
• 47:39
  keep making that a point.
• 47:41
  I see a problem in that, though, and and here's why.
• 47:44
  Because, again, like and and I've I'm I'm pretty confident in this.
• 47:49
  The moment we signed Kyler, there was never a competition.
• 47:52
  Like, I stand
• 47:53
  on that.
• 47:53
  I I really feel like that.
• 47:54
  The man.
• 47:55
  You pay you you you signed him to be the quarterback for your team before he even threw
• 48:00
  a a football in a Vikings jersey, a practice jersey at that.
• 48:04
  So to me, I the I have the problem with that is, yes, Kevin O'Connell can come out and say,
• 48:10
  oh, it's a competition, but why?
• 48:12
  Because he said so?
• 48:13
  Like, I mean, that's why we should we should buy into that.
• 48:16
  Like, to me, I feel like he should just be honest with us and be honest with JJ.
• 48:21
  Well, what you to was that the decision in KOC's mind was made immediately.
• 48:25
  He had a with he had a history with Kyler already.
• 48:29
  He knew this guy was gonna beat him, but but you do it.
• 48:33
  And and I I guess I don't have it.
• 48:34
  Like, if you're gonna get coach speak and we're all kind of into that, then it fine.
• 48:39
  The competition is coach speak as well, and you're just trying to get the most out of it.
• 48:43
  I think it would have left a little bit of a bad taste in some of the other players, Miles
• 48:47
  True.
• 48:47
  That are competing for their positions to let Kyler walk in after he has underperformed the
• 48:52
  last several seasons just go, that's the guy.
• 48:54
  Right?
• 48:54
  So maybe it's not just JJ that he's kinda saving face for.
• 48:58
  Maybe it's across the board with a team full of veterans as well to say, hey, man.
• 49:02
  Everybody has to earn it.
• 49:04
  Right?
• 49:04
  Everybody has to earn their spot on this team.
• 49:06
  I don't have a problem with with that either, but it's kind of played itself out.
• 49:10
  Right?
• 49:11
  Like, just just, like, pull the mask off, rip the Band Aid off.
• 49:14
  Right?
• 49:15
  Like, it's done.
• 49:16
  Let's just roll.
• 49:17
  Give everyone the the answers that we're looking for because we got other battles on
• 49:22
  this team, and maybe we can talk about this.
• 49:24
  I know your your boy Ivan Pace, a lot of talk around him kind of being a guy that's
• 49:28
  potential, you know, cap cut in there.
• 49:31
  But that, like, question
• 49:33
  been looking good, though.
• 49:34
  He's been look he's been looking
• 49:36
  ever in the I don't ever think that he was in that I think people are looking I think fans
• 49:41
  and even analysts are looking at this roster differently than how Brian Flores especially
• 49:48
  looks at his defensive roster.
• 49:50
  Right?
• 49:50
  He doesn't care what the position says in a depth chart.
• 49:54
  Doesn't give a shit about that.
• 49:56
  More about that ability,
• 49:57
  what they can do.
• 49:57
  Yeah.
• 49:58
  Who's the best, you know, if they each each side of the ball gets, you know, what, 27 guys,
• 50:04
  right, essentially 26 guys.
• 50:06
  I guess you got the kicker and holder in there.
• 50:08
  So you only get 24.
• 50:09
  You only got 24 guys to go on your side of the ball.
• 50:13
  Then who are the best 24 guys?
• 50:15
  And to me, you can stash the young guys on the practice squad without them getting poached.
• 50:21
  I don't think Ivan Pace has those protections, and that's why I think Ivan Pace and Jamal
• 50:25
  Adams make the 53 man roster.
• 50:28
  Mhmm.
• 50:28
  You stash a couple of the young guys on the practice squad, guys are gonna get injured.
• 50:31
  It's gonna happen.
• 50:32
  You essentially have so, like, in hockey and and rep, I know you live in the South.
• 50:37
  I and you're a Vikings fan, but I don't know that you know the state of hockey like everyone
• 50:40
  does.
• 50:41
  No.
• 50:41
  We're not huge on hockey down here.
• 50:43
  You have two way contracts in the NHL.
• 50:46
  Guys that you can send down to the AHL as the feeder league, and they can move back and forth
• 50:51
  without ever having to pass waivers or any another team just can't come in and sign them.
• 50:56
  The NFL has the practice squad for that same reason.
• 50:59
  You can elevate guys from the practice squad up and play, especially the young guys.
• 51:05
  You can bounce them kinda back and forth all season, bring them up as you need them, send
• 51:09
  them back when your guy gets healthy and comes off the, you know, off the IL.
• 51:13
  So there is a lot to play here on the rosters that people are not thinking about.
• 51:19
  I think that a a guy maybe like and, you know, I'm just throwing out names of the rookies, but
• 51:23
  like a Demings or a Jacoby Thomas or guys that we think could get in there.
• 51:28
  And on the depth chart, we're looking, well, we need a safety.
• 51:31
  We need this or that.
• 51:32
  No.
• 51:32
  No.
• 51:32
  We need ball players.
• 51:34
  Right?
• 51:34
  We gotta put the best 24 ball players out on that field.
• 51:37
  And I think that's how Brian Flores looks at it, and that's why I think Ivan Pace, he likes
• 51:42
  the guy.
• 51:42
  Undrafted That's
• 51:43
  That's that's
• 51:44
  exactly that I think he's on there.
• 51:45
  That's exactly what Brian Flores does, and he and he's he's already showed that he's he's
• 51:50
  done that in the past too, not just this year where
• 51:52
  Here comes Dell, baby.
• 51:53
  Where he will he will sacrifice a linebacker to have an extra safety on the 53.
• 52:01
  You know what I'm saying?
• 52:02
  Like, he'll do that.
• 52:03
  He so that's he's he's known to do that.
• 52:05
  So I look I mean, I think Ivan Pace definitely making the 53.
• 52:09
  You can use him.
• 52:10
  He's he's a he's a gamer, bro, regardless.
• 52:12
  Does he have flaws?
• 52:13
  Yeah.
• 52:14
  They all got flaws.
• 52:15
  Shit.
• 52:15
  We can go down the list and talk
• 52:17
  talk But Rose got motor.
• 52:18
  But
• 52:19
  he got a motor.
• 52:20
  He gets he gets pressure.
• 52:21
  And a lot a lot of a lot of defensive minded coaches will tell you pressure on a quarterback
• 52:26
  is just as valuable as sacking them.
• 52:29
  You know what I mean?
• 52:29
  Like, we we look at it like, damn.
• 52:31
  You should've got the sack while Brian Flores is like, great pressure.
• 52:35
  You're you're the reason this play didn't you're the reason why that was an eight point
• 52:39
  gap.
• 52:40
  Pressures cause interceptions and and problems down the field, which
• 52:44
  Thank you.
• 52:45
  Is what this defense is really predicated on.
• 52:49
  A man that needs no introduction, in the vocal Vik world.
• 52:53
  We're gonna wait for him to get back in here.
• 52:55
  But our new on field correspondent for the Scene Project Sports Network, our guy, Dell.
• 53:03
  Hey, man.
• 53:04
  I appreciate you tapping in with me, dude.
• 53:06
  I've absolutely loved seeing you on with rap.
• 53:08
  Love your takes.
• 53:09
  Your your graphic language, probably not ready for the TV show quite yet, but, you know, I
• 53:15
  appreciate you jumping on with us tonight, brother.
• 53:17
  Yeah.
• 53:18
  I'll try to clean it up this evening for you.
• 53:20
  I appreciate it.
• 53:21
  Yeah.
• 53:21
  Yeah.
• 53:21
  Yeah.
• 53:22
  Good to
• 53:22
  meet you show. Soon.
• 53:22
  Soon.
• 53:25
  Hey.
• 53:25
  I gotta watch it too because I I may have dropped a a cuss word earlier too, bro.
• 53:30
  Like, sometimes, you know, you get frustrated, especially during this time of the year, man.
• 53:34
  It starts to get intense a little bit, but, yeah, you definitely gotta watch it.
• 53:37
  We on TV tonight, Dale.
• 53:38
  We on TV with Bubba.
• 53:39
  Oh, wow.
• 53:40
  Bubba.
• 53:40
  You know?
• 53:41
  We're we're we're big time, Bubba.
• 53:43
  Thank you, man.
• 53:45
  Shout Hey.
• 53:45
  Out, Bubba. All
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  All ready?
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  So, yeah, give us give us a
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  plays golf.
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  What's up, man?
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  Yeah.
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  Pods, Dell, Dell, pods.
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  Dell, none of us were at camp.
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  Right?
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  So give us the give us the four one one on today's training camp session and kinda fill us
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  in, man.
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  Kinda fill us in, man.
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  I'm a
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  face my kid.
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  I was not at not at talk.
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  I was not at training camp today today.
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  However however, I went Saturday
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  Saturday
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  and Monday Monday.
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  What I what I saw is KOC before training camp is hanging out with wide receivers.
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  He's not really, involved or spending time with the, quarterback group.
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  And within the quarterback group, Kyler Murray has kind of been off doing his own thing.
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  That's just to preface just the atmosphere of camp and the individualism, I guess, and and
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  the offensive, probably contributing to the, offense's, shortcomings.
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  The defense, however, on the on the other side is is very sticky.
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  Defense is very sticky.
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  Caleb Banks and Dominic Orange are legit legit.
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  I saw Thomas making some good plays.
• 55:34
  Adams has come in, and you've seen him flash immediately alongside Cashman or Wilson and
• 55:47
  Pace.
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  Middle linebackers are are phenomenal.
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  Our cornerbacks are are some of the best in the league that I've seen so far just as a room
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  overall, not individually, but they're all phenomenal players, and we have different body
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  types for different styles of receivers we'll face.
• 56:10
  With that being said, the wide receivers versus the cornerbacks and specifically the defensive
• 56:19
  backfield of the Vikings is completely one-sided.
• 56:24
  Aren't any players that are on the Vikings that are getting separation on our defensive backs,
• 56:32
  which is probably gonna start to lead to some frustration as, we've seen today with, Juan
• 56:40
  Jennings and, Charles Demings getting involved in some physical fisticuffs at the end of
• 56:48
  practice.
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  I can, really identify with the, with the frustration and the atmosphere of that.
• 56:58
  As well, there was a young fan today apparently that started cussing at JJ McCarthy from the
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  stands, and it's it's the the performance of the offense is starting to go sideways.
• 57:12
  JJ McCarthy has almost solely worked with the twos while facing the number one defense, and
• 57:21
  Kyler Murray has almost specifically solely worked with the starting offensive unit and
• 57:30
  faced the second team defense, which, by the way, is a lot of rookies that we drafted just
• 57:37
  in this last year.
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  And those rookies are dominating our veteran offensive players.
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  So, it's gonna I guess the the darkest part of night is right before dawn dawn.
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  You know, sometimes before before things get clean, they get really messy messy.
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  So I think that we're gonna see more of this happening.
• 57:59
  However, all of, the positives to the defense defense, at this point at point, I would also
• 58:07
  like to point out positives to the offense, which is running off tackle in the outside zone
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  zone.
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  Aaron Jones looks looks rejuvenated.
• 58:20
  Mason Mason looks looks Mason Mason.
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  I have yet to see Claiborne run, but with the outside zone and taking advantage of our
• 58:33
  talented run blocking offensive tackles is enormous an enormous gem for this team.
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  We just have to stick with it.
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  Oh, another another thing I would like to point out is probably, like, the apple of my my eye
• 58:53
  and and and two players, really.
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  Sorry.
• 58:56
  I'm going on on on a long dialogue here.
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  Max Bredesen, is the fullback, they move him all over the place.
• 59:04
  He's, in the running back's room.
• 59:08
  However, they will play him in, for those that know, Jimmy Klein saucer role where he'll line
• 59:15
  up at tight end and then get motion to the backfield in a pistol set in a two point stance
• 59:21
  with the tailback behind the quarterback and and, lead blocking, especially getting getting
• 59:30
  the edges.
• 59:32
  We're really it looks like we're really pressing the edges with our offensive line,
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  which is huge.
• 59:38
  I don't think that it is a luxury to run the ball right now, specifically in camp just to
• 59:46
  keep, your, confidence level for the offense, I think it's a necessity necessity that you have
• 59:54
  to, test this defense's weakness, which last year was the rushing defense.
• 1:00:01
  So instead of, I think, AOC kind of, trying to make it more of a competition at the
• 1:00:08
  quarterback position, which solely revolves around the team, he needs to make it about the
• 1:00:13
  offense getting some traction and developing some momentum moving forward, into in into camp
• 1:00:21
  and into preseason.
• 1:00:23
  Like, this is, you don't want you don't wanna start the year off slow like we did last year
• 1:00:28
  because we saw what happened, and we missed the playoffs by literally one game and and and one
• 1:00:35
  kickoff return away from winning the division, to be honest with you.
• 1:00:39
  So we were real close last year.
• 1:00:41
  I believe that this year, we actually got better along the defensive line with the
• 1:00:45
  addition of Caleb Banks, Dominic Orange, Jettison, Hardgraves, and Allen.
• 1:00:53
  And I mean, that that speaks enormous volumes for this draft class coming in.
• 1:00:58
  This is by far, for me, the best draft class that I've seen us have in forty years of
• 1:01:03
  watching Minnesota Vikings football.
• 1:01:05
  I thought it was really strong too, Del.
• 1:01:08
  Yeah.
• 1:01:08
  I I thought it was really strong coming in, looking at the players we are getting.
• 1:01:13
  You could see the Brian Flores kind of thumbprint all over it.
• 1:01:16
  And getting guys, and we were talking a little bit about that before we brought you in, Rap
• 1:01:21
  and I were, about having kind of getting the right profile of guys.
• 1:01:26
  It doesn't matter what the position says on the depth chart.
• 1:01:29
  The best 24 guys that fit in and can play in this kind of amoeba amoeba defense, right, are
• 1:01:36
  are in there.
• 1:01:37
  So, Wrap, there was a lot that he kind of got out there.
• 1:01:42
  What were your main takeaways from Dell's, you know, camp recap from the last few days of
• 1:01:48
  practice?
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  No.
• 1:01:50
  It was good, man.
• 1:01:51
  We had great conversation.
• 1:01:52
  Obviously, you know, he was on my show, yesterday, and I think what was it?
• 1:01:57
  Saturday, though?
• 1:01:58
  The Saturday night, I think.
• 1:01:59
  Yes, sir.
• 1:01:59
  Out too.
• 1:02:00
  So, you know, a lot of it obviously surrounds the defense and how the defense looks really
• 1:02:06
  good, which is natural, though.
• 1:02:08
  Because a lot of times in camp, I and this come this is coming from a former player who who
• 1:02:13
  gave it a really good breakdown.
• 1:02:14
  He was on Purple Insider with with Matthew Collar guy.
• 1:02:17
  I think his name's Ahmad.
• 1:02:18
  He works at Fox nine now.
• 1:02:20
  But, he was just talking about how usually and this is, like, league wide.
• 1:02:24
  Usually, the first couple weeks of camp, the defense always seems a step ahead of the
• 1:02:29
  offense for and he gave a great reason why, and it made sense.
• 1:02:32
  So, like and we see this every year.
• 1:02:34
  The defense just always looks like it's just on top of its game, bro.
• 1:02:38
  But, you know, b flow b flow.
• 1:02:40
  That's why you got fans that make an argument that he possibly should be more of the head
• 1:02:44
  coach than Kevin O'Connell because his group of guys continue to perform not only at practice,
• 1:02:50
  but in the season too.
• 1:02:51
  So Let me You
• 1:02:52
  know, I
• 1:02:52
  I let Dale touched on it, though, man.
• 1:02:55
  Everything he said, he was there.
• 1:02:56
  He was in the building watching it.
• 1:02:58
  He kept it real.
• 1:03:00
  Let me let me preface that and and and interject for a minute and and and allow you to
• 1:03:05
  to get back to saying you're you're expressing your perspective.
• 1:03:15
  Our our defense that the number one offense is facing, to to explain it again, they're
• 1:03:26
  rookies.
• 1:03:26
  They should be behind the veterans, not the other way around way around, for me and how I
• 1:03:32
  see it.
• 1:03:33
  And and and I agree that typically at this point of the year, the defense is ahead of the
• 1:03:39
  offense, but we have two rookies on the defensive line that are ruining practice, and
• 1:03:46
  there's constant pressure up the middle as well from the side.
• 1:03:53
  A safety who's coming and and spying and and and running an option blitz on the regular, an
• 1:04:01
  outside linebacker in goal day that is just lurking and making life hell as, throwing
• 1:04:08
  passes over him to to get it to wide receivers.
• 1:04:12
  There's I'm telling you guys, there is nobody open at at training camp, and it's and it's
• 1:04:17
  gotta be frustrating.
• 1:04:18
  Yesterday, I was so frustrated.
• 1:04:21
  I had an emotional hangover when I got home from camp and and and and jumped on rap show.
• 1:04:26
  And and today, we saw that start to come out sideways with Demings and and and Jennings
• 1:04:32
  getting into it as well as a young fan from the stand cussing out JJ McCarthy.
• 1:04:38
  It's starting to come out back, sideways.
• 1:04:41
  And and and and and I don't I don't like to be that negative.
• 1:04:45
  I wanna point more to the defense, you know, in a positive, but for the offense to show nothing
• 1:04:51
  nothing like they have there.
• 1:04:52
  Ignore it.
• 1:04:53
  And they they they have shown nothing nothing.
• 1:04:57
  It's it's it's heart wrenching heart wrenching.
• 1:05:02
  So back to you, Rhett.
• 1:05:03
  My my bad.
• 1:05:05
  My bad.
• 1:05:05
  I don't
• 1:05:05
  wanna take
• 1:05:06
  go wasn't at camp today.
• 1:05:08
  He's a lot more calm and measured than he was on your show
• 1:05:11
  last night.
• 1:05:11
  I had to take a day off
• 1:05:13
  off, bro.
• 1:05:13
  Damn, Del.
• 1:05:14
  You go to you go to camp and you've come back and you feel like you're gonna have a stroke?
• 1:05:18
  Is it that bad?
• 1:05:20
  Bro, it's it's literally that bad.
• 1:05:23
  The so so yesterday yesterday was it yesterday?
• 1:05:26
  Yeah.
• 1:05:27
  Yesterday at camp in the two minute drill drill, JJ McCarthy got a pass swatted thrown to
• 1:05:40
  Jawan Jennings that was swatted by a a linebacker.
• 1:05:46
  I'm not gonna mention their name.
• 1:05:48
  Then he came back and the same did the same route and concept, just flipped the field with
• 1:05:53
  Justin Jefferson Jefferson, who's getting locked up by a linebacker, might I add you?
• 1:05:59
  Then the
• 1:06:00
  next play, Hawkinson has a false start.
• 1:06:04
  So now we're looking at third and 20.
• 1:06:06
  Then JJ drops back, throws a throws a a Yolo that gets a pick six by Brian Murphy.
• 1:06:13
  So that's that's JJ's performance in the two minute drill.
• 1:06:17
  Done.
• 1:06:17
  Then Kyler Murray gets up to bat against against the the ones, goes three and out.
• 1:06:23
  He's done.
• 1:06:24
  He's done.
• 1:06:26
  It's I'm telling you, the the the coverage is so sticky.
• 1:06:30
  And if you go back and look on Twitter, I would really recommend everybody going on Twitter and
• 1:06:34
  and and looking at the clips through the camp.
• 1:06:37
  And just just look for yourself for yourself.
• 1:06:40
  You know what I'm saying?
• 1:06:41
  Like like because, the the media is going to over accentuate good plays by Kyler Murray
• 1:06:47
  because he carries the narrative that JJ McCarthy was the problem last year last year.
• 1:06:55
  Just look for yourself.
• 1:06:56
  In in particular, look at the seven on seven drills going into the red zone and how sticky
• 1:07:03
  that coverage is.
• 1:07:04
  I can recall one play where it looked like almost a blown assignment where one time, one
• 1:07:10
  wide receiver was open.
• 1:07:11
  Other than that, everybody is shut down.
• 1:07:14
  And I mean, everybody.
• 1:07:17
  And and Dell, know
• 1:07:18
  you played off to the defense, man.
• 1:07:20
  Dell, I know you played ball, and and you had mentioned playing on the defensive side of the
• 1:07:26
  ball.
• 1:07:26
  And I know, Rap, you were alluding to a guy talking about this with the Purple Insider as
• 1:07:30
  well.
• 1:07:31
  But, Del, can you kinda give us a little bit of insight as to why the defense is usually ahead
• 1:07:38
  of the offense in the early days of camp?
• 1:07:41
  I mean, I'm assuming it's because defense is a little bit more reactionary.
• 1:07:45
  Right?
• 1:07:45
  So you're just kinda playing off what the the offense is trying to do to you, where an
• 1:07:49
  offense is, you know, trying to run different concepts and stuff.
• 1:07:52
  But, Joe, I I would appreciate your insight as a ball player yourself.
• 1:07:59
  It comes down to timing.
• 1:08:00
  And the the quarterback is is the orchestra of that timing.
• 1:08:06
  He is the maestro of the offense.
• 1:08:07
  He will let the ball go.
• 1:08:09
  When when his back foot hits when his back foot hits his final step in his drop, the ball
• 1:08:14
  should come out immediately regardless of whatever read he's going to.
• 1:08:18
  So the the offensive players in in a especially, like, new players coming in and
• 1:08:23
  trying to learn that system, they're trying to get up to, an an an NFL speed in in particular,
• 1:08:30
  which is probably 25% faster than division one speed.
• 1:08:34
  So that that is that's that's huge.
• 1:08:38
  So that takes some time, especially in the timing and and noticing from the quarterback to
• 1:08:44
  the wide receiver, the nuances of their routes and and what their tells are as far as when
• 1:08:49
  they're gonna break, when they're gonna give a you you know what I'm saying?
• 1:08:52
  Because there's a lot of option routes in the NFL.
• 1:08:55
  It it's it's it's a lot more timing on offense.
• 1:09:00
  On defense, you you you have a defensive call call.
• 1:09:04
  You know what your responsibilities are, and then you hold those responsibilities while
• 1:09:09
  reacting to the player, whether in your zone or that you're sticking man to man.
• 1:09:14
  Very simple stuff.
• 1:09:15
  But when everybody comes together like that and everybody follows their assignment on defense,
• 1:09:20
  it's a lot easier to follow that protocol than it is on offense to think about timing and and
• 1:09:27
  things like that.
• 1:09:28
  So that's why, typically, the defense is ahead of the offense at this time.
• 1:09:33
  Mhmm.
• 1:09:34
  Beautiful.
• 1:09:35
  Thank I appreciate that.
• 1:09:37
  But if if I'm not if anybody if I missed anything or or anybody else has anything to
• 1:09:42
  add, please please do.
• 1:09:44
  You know?
• 1:09:44
  Well, and I get
• 1:09:45
  into yeah.
• 1:09:46
  I wanna get back into covering, you
• 1:09:47
  know, some
• 1:09:48
  of the other things you said there, and I wanna get raps, you know, feelings on a running game,
• 1:09:55
  an improved running game.
• 1:09:56
  I think you're starting to see the influence of Frank Smith already.
• 1:09:59
  I think every Vikings fan out there loves when Kline Saucer's name gets thrown in the mix at
• 1:10:06
  any point and knowing that you have a guy, like Max Bredesen, who's a big kid.
• 1:10:11
  He's not small.
• 1:10:12
  He's not gonna be undersized out there if he does go up and line up in that tight end role.
• 1:10:17
  You know, Hawkinson's a not he's not slight.
• 1:10:19
  He's a big ass dude.
• 1:10:20
  Right?
• 1:10:20
  But he's not thick.
• 1:10:22
  Right?
• 1:10:22
  He's pretty skinny guy.
• 1:10:23
  He's built like me.
• 1:10:24
  He's just, you know, three inches taller and weighs fifty four pounds.
• 1:10:27
  Right?
• 1:10:27
  I stood next to the man when we were at the unreal charity softball game back in May.
• 1:10:33
  So but I feel like Max Bredesen probably is just a little bit different build and is gonna
• 1:10:39
  be able to push some guys around.
• 1:10:41
  I think this team is going to be better regardless of who the quarterback is under
• 1:10:46
  center because the run game is going to be one better and more efficient.
• 1:10:51
  But I think that KOC, hopefully, this is my hope.
• 1:10:54
  I I can't speak from any experience because he's never shown this to us, but that he's
• 1:10:58
  going to commit to running the ball more from game to game.
• 1:11:02
  Wrap some of your thoughts on, an improved running game by what Dell's seeing at camp.
• 1:11:08
  Mean, look.
• 1:11:09
  I'm I'm definitely excited about the running guy.
• 1:11:12
  I think the the tools are in place, especially I'm a huge fan of Damon Claiborne.
• 1:11:16
  I know he's a rookie, but I think he's gonna force their hand to use him when we especially
• 1:11:21
  once we get a chance to see him at practice.
• 1:11:23
  I know today they put him in a little bit, but he's coming off of, I guess, some disclosed
• 1:11:27
  injury that was minor, but they had him sitting out.
• 1:11:31
  But I'm ready to see him because I think he fits Frank Smith's he he fits Frank Smith's
• 1:11:36
  scheme coming from Miami.
• 1:11:38
  Like, the the way they ran the ball, you need that type of running back.
• 1:11:41
  You need a running back that can hit the edge.
• 1:11:43
  And if a defender misses a tackle, he can turn a, you know, a five yard game for most running
• 1:11:50
  backs.
• 1:11:50
  He can turn it into a twenty thirty or even take it to the crib, which that's what I'm
• 1:11:54
  looking forward to.
• 1:11:55
  Like, Dale said, running running off the tackles too.
• 1:11:57
  Like, I mean, look, man.
• 1:11:59
  Frank Smith run scheme.
• 1:12:00
  I actually went back and was watching Miami dolphins highlights.
• 1:12:04
  My my father stepfather, he's a he's a dolphins fan.
• 1:12:07
  He's a Vikings fan now because he loves our community.
• 1:12:10
  But, you know, at the end of the day, he's all all dolphins, born and raised Miami.
• 1:12:14
  And, you know, I was like, you know what?
• 1:12:15
  Let me go watch and see Devon a chain's highlights and how how they were running and
• 1:12:20
  what the scheme looked like.
• 1:12:21
  And I'm a tell you right now, man, it's something to be excited about.
• 1:12:24
  I don't this is my only fear is I don't want them to try to force it with a Jordan Mason.
• 1:12:30
  Like, my thing is I just don't know if we have the backs available to make it what it should
• 1:12:38
  be or what we expect it to be when it comes to Aaron Jones and Jordan Mason.
• 1:12:42
  I love Aaron Jones.
• 1:12:44
  There's a lot of things to like about him, but I just don't think he has the skill set to,
• 1:12:48
  first of all, take it to the crib.
• 1:12:49
  I mean, I've seen him get hawked down by linebackers over and over again.
• 1:12:53
  Shit.
• 1:12:53
  He even get hawked down by defensive end.
• 1:12:55
  So, like, you know, we we need somebody who can really, like, you know, make a team play, but
• 1:13:01
  they gotta move.
• 1:13:01
  You gotta when you hit that hole because you only got a you only got a second.
• 1:13:06
  You gotta hit it, and then you gotta get up out of there.
• 1:13:08
  Somebody like Damon Claiborne, he proves that he can do that at a college level.
• 1:13:13
  Now we'll see in the NFL, but, I mean, he has the speed running a fourth what he run?
• 1:13:17
  A four three?
• 1:13:17
  No.
• 1:13:17
  I think I think Damon Claiborne had, like, a four three something.
• 1:13:20
  So
• 1:13:21
  he got the speed.
• 1:13:22
  Four three seven.
• 1:13:23
  Yes.
• 1:13:23
  Yes.
• 1:13:24
  He has the speed, and he has the vision.
• 1:13:26
  Yeah.
• 1:13:26
  He's a he's a quick he's a burner, bro.
• 1:13:28
  So, you know, again, to fit Frank Smith's running scheme and his style, you need a
• 1:13:33
  certain type of back.
• 1:13:34
  My only fear is I don't think Jordan Mason is that back, and I don't think Aaron Jones is
• 1:13:39
  that back anymore.
• 1:13:40
  Maybe he was in his younger prime, but right now
• 1:13:43
  I don't know that he ever was that guy specifically.
• 1:13:46
  He was someone that could break tackles, could take contact, and then still
• 1:13:50
  be able
• 1:13:51
  put enough speed to to go forward.
• 1:13:53
  And he just lost a step.
• 1:13:55
  I mean, he's 30 almost 30.
• 1:13:56
  Right?
• 1:13:56
  Or he is 30, 31 years old now.
• 1:13:58
  Yeah.
• 1:13:59
  He's just and that's why that running back I mean, most running back careers, even if you
• 1:14:04
  stick in the league four or five years, your kind of effectiveness is behind you.
• 1:14:08
  And and I wanna touch on a little bit, and and I'm gonna try to explain it, Della, and you can
• 1:14:12
  correct me if I'm wrong and maybe go into it.
• 1:14:14
  But outside zone is really involves a lot of pitching it out wide and trying to get your
• 1:14:22
  athletic offensive linemen out in front and putting big hats on little hats on the outside
• 1:14:30
  rather than trying to run it up the middle through the big you're essentially running away
• 1:14:35
  from the big guys on the defensive line and trying to pull your big guys and to get them
• 1:14:40
  out running, but, you know, in front of your running back, trying to take out that
• 1:14:45
  linebacker safety cornerback possibly.
• 1:14:48
  You're hoping that your wide receivers, and I think that's why Jawan Jennings, is a great
• 1:14:52
  get, can take care of that cornerback to where you have to really block one guy.
• 1:14:56
  You gotta hit that safety, and you can break.
• 1:14:59
  Damon Clayborne can now use that four three seven speed to take it to the house from 60
• 1:15:05
  plus yards out.
• 1:15:06
  Mhmm.
• 1:15:08
  So so the the outside the outside zone let me let me let me back up here a little bit and
• 1:15:15
  talk about Frank Smith.
• 1:15:17
  My first practice that I went to on Saturday, Frank Smith was behind, the huddle, which was
• 1:15:24
  basically at, like, the 35.
• 1:15:26
  So he's monitoring the the offensive line in the in the trenches in particular.
• 1:15:30
  KOC was calling plays from the sidelines.
• 1:15:33
  There was, some type of miscommunication where, Frank got upset upset, took his hat off, and
• 1:15:41
  started started hollering, and and KOC had to come over and console him.
• 1:15:46
  And and then they talked talked, and I don't know what it was about or what happened, but
• 1:15:53
  there there's gonna be an adjustment period.
• 1:15:56
  Okay?
• 1:15:56
  There for running the ball is attitude.
• 1:16:00
  And along those lines, now, like, I kind of got on KOC because of his lack of running the ball
• 1:16:07
  last year and lack of that and thus lack of attitude last year.
• 1:16:12
  Let's let's give KOC a little bit of a break, which is really I'm really trying to call it
• 1:16:18
  down the middle.
• 1:16:20
  So last year, okay, our offensive line's health was poor.
• 1:16:29
  Right?
• 1:16:30
  So let's say you have a 100%, which is this much.
• 1:16:32
  Right?
• 1:16:33
  Right.
• 1:16:33
  It's this much.
• 1:16:34
  So now you're playing players that are at 85%.
• 1:16:39
  Right.
• 1:16:40
  When you're not a 100% and you're at 85%, when you run block, are delivering the punishment.
• 1:16:49
  Now let's say you're in a fight and you're not healthy, Do you wanna do you wanna be more of a
• 1:16:56
  defensive fighter or do you wanna be an offensive fighter?
• 1:16:59
  Because when you're at when you're at go to a 100 and then 85, which is better better to lose
• 1:17:05
  15% by falling back and absorbing a hit on a pass block or losing 30 to 40% and try and
• 1:17:14
  deliver punishment?
• 1:17:16
  You understand what what I'm saying?
• 1:17:17
  It it it shrinks it shrinks the value of the player.
• 1:17:21
  You know what I'm saying?
• 1:17:22
  It shrinks it.
• 1:17:23
  So it's, I'm I'm giving an excuse to Kevin O'Connell for not running the ball as though he
• 1:17:30
  should have last year.
• 1:17:32
  With that being said, outside zone the outside zone okay.
• 1:17:38
  So you have you have the c gap, the b gap, the wait.
• 1:17:43
  Off tackle, tackle, guard center, and then backside.
• 1:17:48
  Right?
• 1:17:49
  What it is is on a sprint draw, when you run a sprint draw when you run a draw, the reason why
• 1:17:56
  you wanna hold on to the ball is you get natural seams created by the defense.
• 1:18:03
  So you're taking advantage of the defenses, spreading out spreading out and and thus
• 1:18:09
  creating the seams where two offensive players will will box out the defensive players and and
• 1:18:15
  create a hole.
• 1:18:16
  That happens naturally when you run outside zone runs.
• 1:18:23
  It's kind of like, if you remember Barry Sanders back in the day.
• 1:18:28
  Mhmm.
• 1:18:28
  And they used to take the ball ball and be like this.
• 1:18:31
  Literally slow down and run over and give him the ball way over here.
• 1:18:36
  That's because the offensive line get the the defensive line, more importantly, spreads out,
• 1:18:43
  chases over either over, compensates in trying to chase down a a gap, and then the the
• 1:18:52
  offensive player can cut him off from the backside or thus a counter play or pull a guard
• 1:19:00
  guard, you know, and and and seal off that that seam or that edge.
• 1:19:04
  You understand what I'm saying?
• 1:19:05
  Like, it's it's more of a natural, hole creation created by your opponent, the defense,
• 1:19:14
  if if that makes sense.
• 1:19:15
  Because the Yeah.
• 1:19:16
  You you know what I'm saying?
• 1:19:18
  What I'm saying?
• 1:19:18
  Does that
• 1:19:19
  make sense?
• 1:19:20
  Rather than just trying to set up, put a hat on a hat, and run dive all day right into
• 1:19:25
  the heart of defense.
• 1:19:26
  Duo.
• 1:19:26
  Duo.
• 1:19:27
  Where you where you combination block and then you slip to the second level to put your head
• 1:19:31
  down.
• 1:19:31
  This is more of a a draw play.
• 1:19:34
  So when you run a draw, you wanna give a delay for the defense to spread and then allow your
• 1:19:40
  running back to use his vision more importantly
• 1:19:43
  to
• 1:19:43
  hit the hole.
• 1:19:45
  Yeah.
• 1:19:45
  So It's it's kinda like a counter.
• 1:19:48
  It's it's it's like when when a defense gives you pressure or blitzes, you run a screen pass.
• 1:19:54
  You take advantage of it.
• 1:19:55
  It's a it's a counter move.
• 1:19:58
  It's a wrap up late night.
• 1:20:00
  Hey.
• 1:20:00
  You ain't lying, but I'm out here tonight, boy.
• 1:20:02
  I ain't gonna lie.
• 1:20:03
  Yeah.
• 1:20:04
  I was about to text Bubba.
• 1:20:05
  Yeah.
• 1:20:05
  I'm I got a good time, is it?
• 1:20:07
  You brought us you brought us Dell, man.
• 1:20:09
  He's got all
• 1:20:09
  these Hey.
• 1:20:10
  No.
• 1:20:10
  No.
• 1:20:10
  Hey.
• 1:20:10
  I brought Dell.
• 1:20:11
  Let's go.
• 1:20:12
  I'm only as good as the people around me, brother.
• 1:20:15
  One question, though.
• 1:20:16
  Only as good as the people around me, brother.
• 1:20:18
  Let's rock this joint.
• 1:20:19
  Because
• 1:20:21
  I used to play offensive line when I played football.
• 1:20:25
  How hungry were those guys with the with the run blocking versus pass blocking today?
• 1:20:33
  I don't know.
• 1:20:34
  I I I wasn't there today.
• 1:20:35
  He wasn't there today.
• 1:20:36
  You were
• 1:20:36
  there.
• 1:20:36
  Yesterday.
• 1:20:38
  Yeah.
• 1:20:38
  Well, the the times the times that that I have been there, their their success on offense,
• 1:20:43
  once again, is running the ball and specifically running off tackle.
• 1:20:48
  They're they're constantly, like, once once they seal seal or or create the the guard, once
• 1:20:55
  they once the tackle seals the edge, the running back the sideline, it's a wrap with
• 1:21:00
  Bredesen following the way.
• 1:21:02
  Or when they pull a guard and or if the defense tries to, over accentuate and and and prevent
• 1:21:12
  the outside, then you run run-in between the tackle guard guard.
• 1:21:16
  You know what I'm saying?
• 1:21:17
  Then you got Donovan Jackson.
• 1:21:18
  That's why we drafted Donovan Jackson.
• 1:21:20
  We have Derosaw on the same side.
• 1:21:22
  And that was the theory behind having Will Fries and Brian O'Neil.
• 1:21:26
  You know what I'm saying?
• 1:21:27
  Because now you don't now you gotta pick your poison.
• 1:21:29
  You you have seven front players.
• 1:21:32
  Count seven in the box, you run.
• 1:21:34
  Seven players, you have five offensive linemen and a fullback.
• 1:21:38
  You know what I'm saying?
• 1:21:39
  You're playing six on seven.
• 1:21:41
  They once you rotate the defense, you can run the other way.
• 1:21:45
  You understand?
• 1:21:46
  Especially when you have a running back who runs a four three seven.
• 1:21:50
  Alright, Raph.
• 1:21:51
  I'm I'm a let you get some kind of closing thoughts in and let you get out of here.
• 1:21:55
  I I might hang on to Del for a little bit longer.
• 1:21:58
  Hey.
• 1:21:58
  Hey.
• 1:21:58
  You need to listen.
• 1:21:59
  And, seriously, you know, Dale's been making his rounds, bro, and I'm super proud of dog
• 1:22:04
  because, like, you know, he he was somebody who used to call into my show and, you know, with
• 1:22:09
  talk ball and talk how he's talking it tonight, and you can obviously tell he knows what he's
• 1:22:13
  talking about.
• 1:22:14
  He delivers it in a different way that I appreciate.
• 1:22:18
  You know?
• 1:22:18
  Not everybody's cup of tea just like me.
• 1:22:20
  I'm not everybody's cup of tea.
• 1:22:21
  You know?
• 1:22:22
  You got some people they just you know?
• 1:22:23
  They just like it how they like it.
• 1:22:24
  I don't got no problem, but I'm a tell you, Dale's a he's official.
• 1:22:28
  So, you know, and my my goal is to get him on a lot of these channels that are that are talking
• 1:22:33
  Vikings football because I think his voice needs to be heard, bro.
• 1:22:36
  So I'm glad you invited him tonight and want me to, send him the link, man.
• 1:22:40
  I ain't never gonna hesitate to do that.
• 1:22:41
  So it was great having them on.
• 1:22:43
  Great tapping in with you, Bubba.
• 1:22:45
  Hey, golf.
• 1:22:46
  Shout out to you, man.
• 1:22:47
  Talking ball with you, man.
• 1:22:49
  My last thoughts before we head into following the week is I I really do.
• 1:22:54
  I know the quarterback.
• 1:22:55
  I know what the defense, the run game, all of that super important.
• 1:22:58
  But to me, I think if we don't figure out the quarterback position, man, we ain't going
• 1:23:02
  nowhere anyway.
• 1:23:03
  So that's why I'm gonna continue to focus on it, continue to hope that we figure this thing
• 1:23:09
  out because without it, man, there's just no hope anyways, man.
• 1:23:12
  We're just gonna continue to say, yeah, man.
• 1:23:16
  The Brian Flores looked good with his defense.
• 1:23:19
  And and, yeah, the running game looked a little better, but the quarterback f'd us over once
• 1:23:23
  again, man.
• 1:23:24
  Like, I kept that PG 13 ball before you too, man.
• 1:23:27
  But, no, man.
• 1:23:28
  I'm I'm ready.
• 1:23:29
  I'm excited.
• 1:23:30
  I'm excited to see what happens these next two days.
• 1:23:32
  I think the pads come on again tomorrow, so we'll probably be able to see a little more,
• 1:23:37
  you know, of that run game that Dale was talking about.
• 1:23:40
  Hopefully, Frank Smith is is really getting his hands dirty, and they're focusing on that
• 1:23:45
  tomorrow on top of seeing how the quarterbacks progress, man, seeing what this quarterback
• 1:23:49
  competition turns out to be for sure.
• 1:23:51
  Yeah.
• 1:23:52
  Well and I and I I kinda pull this all off the stage so we can see the background here.
• 1:23:56
  Skullfest is September 12.
• 1:23:57
  Give us a little bit of a a preview of what people can expect at Skullfest this year.
• 1:24:04
  Obviously, SPSN is gonna be there doing a live show from the Crooked Pint.
• 1:24:08
  We're gonna make sure that we grab Dell for a few minutes, and we're gonna get Rx on for a
• 1:24:13
  few minutes, but we wanna give you your time to to get out there and to mingle with your
• 1:24:16
  people.
• 1:24:17
  But I I thought it was really important to just to be there, to give the people who can't make
• 1:24:21
  it out to Minneapolis on September 12 and in preparation for the home opener on September 13
• 1:24:28
  against the Green Bay Packers to give them a little taste of what they're missing out on so
• 1:24:33
  they make sure they save up all year for Skullfest in 2027.
• 1:24:37
  So give us a little quick preview, and then I'll let you get out of here, brother.
• 1:24:41
  Yeah, man.
• 1:24:42
  So, you know, just a back story to where it started.
• 1:24:44
  Like, we started this whole Skullfest thing, four years ago.
• 1:24:49
  It actually started at, like, a backyard bar too, bro.
• 1:24:52
  Like, we it's funny.
• 1:24:53
  I was talking to my wife the other day, I was like, you know what's crazy is I threw
• 1:24:56
  Skullfest.
• 1:24:57
  The first Skullfest I threw with with the with the likeness of my brothers too was that in we
• 1:25:02
  was in the trenches.
• 1:25:03
  You know what I'm saying?
• 1:25:04
  We was at we was in Northeast Minneapolis.
• 1:25:07
  I'm talking about in the trenches, but, you know, it was one of the best nights.
• 1:25:10
  It was backyard, a bunch of fans that were used to be in my chat.
• 1:25:15
  We all met each other.
• 1:25:16
  It was just great vibes.
• 1:25:17
  You know?
• 1:25:17
  Great vibes, a great atmosphere.
• 1:25:19
  And every every year, it's built up more and more and more and becoming more, recognized.
• 1:25:26
  You know, we have a lot of people.
• 1:25:27
  We were even on vikings.com.
• 1:25:29
  They even mentioned it too.
• 1:25:30
  They mentioned Skullfest too.
• 1:25:31
  So it just shows you that even they're paying attention.
• 1:25:34
  It's the greatest fan party.
• 1:25:36
  So if you are in the city, there's no excuse for you not to be there.
• 1:25:39
  But if you gotta travel, hey.
• 1:25:41
  Save up.
• 1:25:42
  You still got a couple weeks, a month or so to save up.
• 1:25:44
  Tickets are free, general admission.
• 1:25:46
  We did just drop VIP tickets tonight.
• 1:25:49
  They are a $100, but they come with a pack.
• 1:25:52
  You're gonna get a box either mailed to you, or you can pick your box up on arrival at
• 1:25:57
  Skullfest.
• 1:25:57
  It has exclusive Skullfest merch.
• 1:26:00
  It's gonna have a bunch of discount codes for different brands.
• 1:26:04
  I mean, it's worth it, man.
• 1:26:05
  It's worth the $100, and you'll be in a VIP, like, area with me and others.
• 1:26:10
  You know what I mean?
• 1:26:10
  We're gonna have a ton of creators there.
• 1:26:12
  Some of the biggest names that y'all know, that y'all see on x, that y'all see on YouTube,
• 1:26:16
  they're all gonna be tapped in with us.
• 1:26:18
  So it's it's a night to remember, and we're going against the packers, man.
• 1:26:21
  Like, come on, man.
• 1:26:22
  It's Green Bay packers week.
• 1:26:24
  You know, we gotta act bad out there that night, September 12, man.
• 1:26:27
  We talking all the smack.
• 1:26:29
  I mean, it's just gonna be one of those nights to remember, and you can even ask anybody who's
• 1:26:34
  been to a Skullfest, whether it was last year or the year before, the year before, like,
• 1:26:38
  they'll they're all gonna tell you, man.
• 1:26:40
  Like, it was one of the best nights of their lives as far as, you know, Viking centric.
• 1:26:44
  When you're thinking about Vikings fandom, it's just one of those nights where you just won't
• 1:26:48
  forget it.
• 1:26:48
  Great music, giveaways, jersey sales, yeah, every everything you could think of, man.
• 1:26:54
  So thank you, Bubba, for you and your crew being a part of this year.
• 1:26:58
  I think it's gonna add a ton of value to the process.
• 1:27:01
  So this is just another thing to be excited about for the ones who were there last year.
• 1:27:06
  They get to show up this year and see how much it's elevated from then just adding people like
• 1:27:10
  you to the group and, bringing your your expertise to a lot of areas that we kinda
• 1:27:16
  needed it to, you know, to make this thing better.
• 1:27:19
  So I appreciate you for that, man.
• 1:27:21
  Linking up with you was definitely the a great a great thing, man.
• 1:27:25
  So shout out to you.
• 1:27:26
  Thank you for having me on the show, and you'll be on Vocal Vikes soon, man.
• 1:27:28
  Don't worry, man.
• 1:27:29
  We gonna get it popping.
• 1:27:30
  Yeah.
• 1:27:30
  We'll get it done.
• 1:27:31
  Well, we got some exciting stuff that we're working on too.
• 1:27:34
  I I hope that you can get your sound effects in on this.
• 1:27:37
  We're gonna we're gonna have a lot more coming.
• 1:27:39
  We will be doing the SPSN tailgate show.
• 1:27:42
  Our goal is to take it with me and Rap, and we're gonna take this thing to network TV.
• 1:27:46
  And we're gonna do a preview show during the season.
• 1:27:49
  I don't know if we're gonna be ready for week one yet.
• 1:27:51
  There's a lot of things that need to fall into place there.
• 1:27:53
  But by the end of this season, I can tell you that you will be seeing mine and Rap's face on
• 1:27:58
  the TV screen and on WCCO in Minneapolis talking Vikings football, previewing some of
• 1:28:06
  the games out there, and then catching up with you all on our YouTube channels after the fact.
• 1:28:11
  Skullfest website, skullfestmn.com?
• 1:28:15
  Yep.
• 1:28:15
  Skullfestmn.com.
• 1:28:17
  Go grab your tickets now.
• 1:28:18
  Sign up
• 1:28:19
  for the next year too.
• 1:28:20
  Is it slash vip on that?
• 1:28:22
  Yes.
• 1:28:23
  Skullfestmn/vip.
• 1:28:25
  Yep.
• 1:28:27
  Me
• 1:28:27
  see.
• 1:28:28
  I love it, man.
• 1:28:28
  Well, rep, you get some sleep, man.
• 1:28:30
  I I know you gotta work in the morning.
• 1:28:31
  I appreciate you staying up late with us tonight.
• 1:28:33
  I know, man.
• 1:28:34
  Y'all got me up late, man, but keep Dell on for a minute.
• 1:28:37
  You know?
• 1:28:37
  And I'm a I'm a stay tapped in, but I dropped the oh, it won't let me drop the the thing in
• 1:28:42
  the chat.
• 1:28:42
  I think you gotta drop it in there.
• 1:28:44
  I did.
• 1:28:45
  I think I got it.
• 1:28:45
  Oh, okay.
• 1:28:45
  You did.
• 1:28:46
  Yeah.
• 1:28:46
  Thereyou.com/vit.
• 1:28:48
  That's where you guys get your tickets.
• 1:28:49
  We'll have it out there.
• 1:28:50
  I've been sharing all the things on all the social media channels as well.
• 1:28:53
  We're gonna keep promoting this thing.
• 1:28:55
  We got, what, five weeks?
• 1:28:58
  Six weeks maybe?
• 1:29:00
  Until Skullfest.
• 1:29:02
  Right.
• 1:29:02
  Not long, man.
• 1:29:03
  It's gonna be here before we know it.
• 1:29:04
  So, Wrap, appreciate you tapping in, man.
• 1:29:06
  And love you, fellas, man.
• 1:29:08
  I'll see you soon.
• 1:29:10
  Holler.
• 1:29:10
  Holler.
• 1:29:11
  Great stuff.
• 1:29:12
  The man.
• 1:29:13
  What's up, sir?
• 1:29:13
  The man.
• 1:29:14
  Dell.
• 1:29:15
  Nothing like starting off the season with a division rival either.
• 1:29:18
  Hold on.
• 1:29:20
  Hold on.
• 1:29:21
  I need to back out.
• 1:29:22
  I need to back out and come back in because this is on, StreamYard, and my my computer will
• 1:29:27
  mute mute people.
• 1:29:29
  So I'm I'm not trying to be rude.
• 1:29:31
  Let me let me because I saw your lips moving, and and let me let me back out and come back
• 1:29:35
  in.
• 1:29:37
  He he already knows.
• 1:29:38
  He's on it.
• 1:29:39
  We gotta download that StreamYard app, Del.
• 1:29:42
  You download the app, and it'll keep that from happening.
• 1:29:44
  We've dealt with it several times on the streams lately.
• 1:29:48
  Huge shout out to rap, obviously, at vocal bike.
• 1:29:51
  Most of you guys already follow him, and you're part
• 1:29:53
  of his It's gonna be
• 1:29:54
  a fun ride.
• 1:29:56
  You know, this week, he had Dell on and then Sly, who, if you're not following, you bummy to
• 1:30:00
  me online and watching his videos and recaps of the games that he does and breaking down plays,
• 1:30:06
  man.
• 1:30:06
  Sly, freaking awesome, man.
• 1:30:08
  I can't wait to get him on our show as well.
• 1:30:12
  I'm sure we're gonna meet him up at Skullfest.
• 1:30:14
  Really looking forward to meeting a lot of you guys.
• 1:30:16
  You know, Tuey, I hope that you're there.
• 1:30:18
  All you guys, Barbara, I I just I can't I can't wait to be with the community that that we've
• 1:30:26
  really been a blessing to tap into.
• 1:30:28
  Some of you guys know or may not know that I really I came to the Vikings through my wife.
• 1:30:33
  My wife is a big Vikings fan.
• 1:30:34
  I grew up outside of Chicago.
• 1:30:36
  We moved to South Dakota when I was, like, 10 years old.
• 1:30:38
  So I I've been watching from afar the team that I was just kinda born into rooting for, get the
• 1:30:43
  shit kicked out of them season after season and just being nothing but disappointed.
• 1:30:47
  So finally, in 2024, I was like, I fucking had enough, man.
• 1:30:53
  They they laid down against the niners, and I was like, I'm done.
• 1:30:55
  This Caleb Williams was supposed to be all that.
• 1:30:57
  This team's laying down.
• 1:30:59
  This coach sucks.
• 1:31:00
  And then they, of course, go out, get Ben Johnson last year, make it to the NFC
• 1:31:03
  championship game.
• 1:31:04
  You're welcome, city of Chicago.
• 1:31:05
  It's all me.
• 1:31:07
  But I fell in love with this Vikings team because I was watching them.
• 1:31:12
  Right?
• 1:31:12
  Like, to say that I I was a bears fan didn't mean that I wasn't a Vikings fan.
• 1:31:16
  I was watching the Vikings every single week with my wife for the last six years.
• 1:31:20
  Right?
• 1:31:20
  Like, I came in kind of falling in love, and I like KOC as a head coach.
• 1:31:25
  I like him.
• 1:31:26
  As a play caller, little suspect for me, but I think that he has a way of motivating his
• 1:31:31
  players.
• 1:31:32
  And, you know, I I think where he lacks is as a play caller, but I'm really excited to see Dell
• 1:31:38
  and you kind of alluded to this a little bit.
• 1:31:41
  The the Frank Smith influence on the play calling as well, not just the scheme, but
• 1:31:46
  having a guy who's done that job before now to be able to be in and because they all got they
• 1:31:52
  all talk on the headsets.
• 1:31:53
  Right?
• 1:31:53
  It's not just the head coach talking to the quarterback.
• 1:31:56
  Everybody's in there.
• 1:31:57
  Everybody's talking.
• 1:31:58
  And I think that Frank Smith has enough cachet in this league and in this team and structure
• 1:32:03
  because he's an assistant head coach.
• 1:32:05
  He's not just an offensive coordinator like a Wes Phillips is.
• 1:32:08
  He is an assistant head coach, which means that KOC looked at him and said, I need help.
• 1:32:14
  And I think that showed a little bit of humility out of a coach that really hasn't
• 1:32:18
  shown much of that throughout his tenure, as the head coach of the Vikings, after getting
• 1:32:24
  the AP coach of the year, bestowed upon him, which I think I no doubt went to his head last
• 1:32:30
  year and why you didn't see the change out of him through the first eight weeks.
• 1:32:34
  Right?
• 1:32:34
  You had to win one more game, and you alluded to it, Del.
• 1:32:37
  One more game.
• 1:32:37
  One bad kickoff against the bears at home.
• 1:32:40
  What about Jordan Addison missing three games?
• 1:32:42
  What about you refusing to run the ball with god knows who playing quarterback for the first
• 1:32:47
  freaking six, seven weeks of the season?
• 1:32:49
  Like, to me, everybody wants to put the blame on JJ McCarthy for last season and not making
• 1:32:55
  the playoffs, but it starts with the head coach.
• 1:32:58
  And your head coach failed you for eight, nine weeks of the season before he finally pulled
• 1:33:03
  his head out of his ass, started calling the run game, started doing what this team is good
• 1:33:07
  at, control the clock, let that defense do its job, and you're gonna win a lot of football
• 1:33:12
  games.
• 1:33:13
  It may not be the sexiest thing in the world, and it may make him vomit to run for 200 plus
• 1:33:19
  yards a game.
• 1:33:20
  But goddamn it, you're gonna win a lot of games doing it that way.
• 1:33:26
  Yeah.
• 1:33:27
  I'd I I really I I think the run game is sexy.
• 1:33:30
  I really do.
• 1:33:31
  I'd you know, there's there's something there's something grotesque about kicking somebody's b
• 1:33:37
  u t t.
• 1:33:38
  You know what I'm saying?
• 1:33:39
  The I I love the ugliness of beauty sometimes.
• 1:33:43
  You know what I'm saying?
• 1:33:44
  It's one of those, oxymorons of life that we get to learn.
• 1:33:48
  You know?
• 1:33:49
  Two things can be true at the same time.
• 1:33:52
  Yeah.
• 1:33:53
  Kevin O'Connell, I was ready to give up on him versus the Ravens when we averaged, like, 6.2
• 1:34:00
  yards a carry and averaged more yards running the ball than pass attempt, you know, and ended
• 1:34:08
  up losing that game by, I don't know, three points, one point, whatever.
• 1:34:11
  I was at that game.
• 1:34:12
  I know that.
• 1:34:12
  I was up there.
• 1:34:13
  That was military appreciation day.
• 1:34:15
  I was up there with the with the foundation.
• 1:34:18
  I was at the the sir death tailgate.
• 1:34:21
  I was vibing, and I'm watching the game.
• 1:34:23
  We also had 13 freaking false starts that day at home in a building that you coulda hear a
• 1:34:30
  pin drop in.
• 1:34:31
  Like, that that hurt.
• 1:34:33
  That hurt, man, against what you thought was gonna be a very strong Ravens team.
• 1:34:38
  I mean, it goes back to offensive line health health.
• 1:34:41
  You know what I'm saying?
• 1:34:42
  It it goes back to offensive line health and the attitude, the attitude that Frank Smith is
• 1:34:47
  gonna bring.
• 1:34:48
  Like I said, running the ball is an attitude.
• 1:34:51
  You know?
• 1:34:52
  We were we've been very finesse under Kevin O'Connell.
• 1:34:56
  The game of football was not, started by finesse.
• 1:35:00
  It was started by fighting.
• 1:35:02
  Great.
• 1:35:02
  You know?
• 1:35:02
  You you you you foot the line of scrimmage is is the focal point.
• 1:35:07
  If you can push it, you're winning.
• 1:35:09
  If you if you if you get pushed back, you're losing.
• 1:35:12
  That's where it all starts.
• 1:35:16
  So yeah.
• 1:35:17
  Yeah.
• 1:35:17
  I mean, yeah, things were really close last year.
• 1:35:22
  I mean, we had, what, the third ranked defense and the twenty seventh ranked offense.
• 1:35:27
  Talk about an imbalance.
• 1:35:30
  You know what I'm saying?
• 1:35:31
  What if we what if we would have been running the ball all year long and and working ball
• 1:35:37
  control?
• 1:35:38
  Especially with it it let me let me say this.
• 1:35:43
  Last year, we brought in four, four free agents in the trenches out of one, two, three out of
• 1:35:50
  eight starting positions.
• 1:35:52
  Right?
• 1:35:53
  Three on defensive line, five on offense.
• 1:35:56
  Half of our team last year was free agents brought in.
• 1:36:00
  All of those free agents were coming off of season ending injuries.
• 1:36:05
  All of them.
• 1:36:06
  Javon Hargreaves, Allen, Kelly, Fries.
• 1:36:10
  They now now we don't have that.
• 1:36:14
  Now on the defense, we're bringing in rookies to replace those guys.
• 1:36:18
  And let me let me say this.
• 1:36:19
  If Caleb Banks and Dominic Orange can replicate what Jonathan Allen and Javon Javon Hargrave
• 1:36:27
  did last year of a 120 tackles and seven and a half sacks, I see us perhaps having the number
• 1:36:35
  one defense in the NFL better than anybody.
• 1:36:38
  I mean, with the way that you were talking about them earlier, they may I don't wanna say
• 1:36:43
  that they'll double it because that's probably a little outlandish to say that, but they may
• 1:36:47
  have a plus 50% on top of that.
• 1:36:49
  Right?
• 1:36:50
  They may be a 100 if they're a 150% of what those guys could deliver, then then this team
• 1:36:56
  is dangerous.
• 1:36:57
  They are someone that nobody wants to line up against.
• 1:37:01
  No offense wants to go up against that team.
• 1:37:03
  And I kinda said this even after the draft without seeing any of these guys, kinda just
• 1:37:07
  going off profile because I didn't watch a lot of tape on any of them at all.
• 1:37:11
  I was looking at the profile and knowing enough about B Flow to go disruptors in the middle, a
• 1:37:17
  a Galday who is a the guy played safety.
• 1:37:20
  It's he played snaps at safety at linebacker and at DN.
• 1:37:24
  A guy with that much versatility all over it, like, that is a Plug and play guy
• 1:37:29
  right there.
• 1:37:29
  And he's a big freaking dude.
• 1:37:31
  And maybe, Dell, you can talk to that about how he looks on the field.
• 1:37:34
  Golde's massive, and he can move.
• 1:37:36
  You don't play safety even at the college rank unless you have speed.
• 1:37:40
  Golde has the same draft profile as Andrew Van Ginkle. Andrew Van Ginkle
• 1:37:46
  Andrew Van Ginkle is two inches shorter than Golde.
• 1:37:50
  Ran the exact same 40 time.
• 1:37:54
  Golde had a 42 inch vertical at six five.
• 1:37:58
  That's that is a zone what they're what they're doing with Golday is
• 1:38:01
  they're playing an MMA.
• 1:38:02
  Basketball hoop, and he weighs two hundred and eighty pounds.
• 1:38:06
  The intangibles are just varied.
• 1:38:10
  Like, they're just you can't
• 1:38:13
  And and did you did you study goal day a lot coming out and after that?
• 1:38:18
  I mean, obviously, a guy that can play at all three levels like that, he's obviously a very
• 1:38:22
  smart player as well.
• 1:38:23
  And I think that, like, football intelligence is the separator for an Andrew Van Ginkle.
• 1:38:28
  The knowing what's gonna happen before it happens, that's why the guy jumps those outside
• 1:38:32
  screen routes and taps them in the air and, you know, those crazy interceptions and and the
• 1:38:37
  sacks that he comes with because he's undersized.
• 1:38:39
  Right?
• 1:38:39
  Like, Van Ginkel is an outside linebacker kind of rush the quarterback because he's he's not
• 1:38:45
  the he's not Grunard.
• 1:38:47
  Right?
• 1:38:47
  Or even a Dallas Turner, I think, is a little bit underweight.
• 1:38:50
  It looks like he's put a little bit of weight on this year too.
• 1:38:53
  But Van Ginkle is a little bit small for someone.
• 1:38:57
  Like, he wouldn't be a defensive end in a four three scheme.
• 1:38:59
  Right?
• 1:39:00
  No.
• 1:39:00
  No.
• 1:39:00
  Absolutely not.
• 1:39:01
  And and that's why we're running a three four.
• 1:39:04
  Typically, in a three four, you have oversized defensive ends and a and a huge nose tackle,
• 1:39:09
  typically.
• 1:39:10
  We don't run that kind of defense, though.
• 1:39:12
  We've we really run a two four five, not a four three four.
• 1:39:17
  You know what I'm saying?
• 1:39:18
  So but Golde Golde is is exactly like Andrew Van Ginkle.
• 1:39:23
  And the what I do is and and when I watch college, I I look at stats.
• 1:39:29
  I see who I like.
• 1:39:30
  I look at their game film.
• 1:39:32
  And then when the combine comes out, I hold myself to thresholds, look at those numbers,
• 1:39:39
  compress them, and compare them against the the film, and then I I judge on who the players are
• 1:39:48
  and and and and who's gonna be good.
• 1:39:50
  And I'm I'm I'm a person that doesn't believe that the draft is a crapshoot.
• 1:39:56
  I think they know exactly who is gonna be good out there.
• 1:40:00
  Although there are there are circumstances where players will die or get sick or the money
• 1:40:06
  gets to their head and they get lazy.
• 1:40:08
  Typically, the talent will continue, especially, like, if if you draft a a a young
• 1:40:14
  player such as Dallas Turner was at at 20, just turning 21, and now coming into his third year
• 1:40:23
  where he's still younger than the second outside linebacker drafted in that year being
• 1:40:31
  Jared Verse.
• 1:40:32
  So the the upside for Dallas Turner and and Goldie Yeah.
• 1:40:36
  His best football like Bernard
• 1:40:38
  four years from now.
• 1:40:40
  Yeah.
• 1:40:40
  His his best football as a as a pass rushing outside linebacker, are in front of him yet.
• 1:40:48
  And I think that all he has to is take potential.
• 1:40:52
  Yeah.
• 1:40:52
  Well, I think he he was a little bit thin to come in, but he was 21, 22 years old.
• 1:40:57
  Right?
• 1:40:57
  Like, his body hadn't fully matured yet.
• 1:40:59
  Happens.
• 1:41:00
  Sometimes those guys need a year to get that meat on them.
• 1:41:03
  Hey.
• 1:41:03
  There's something to well, and he came from Alabama too.
• 1:41:06
  Right?
• 1:41:06
  Dallas Turner?
• 1:41:06
  Yeah.
• 1:41:07
  So, I mean, he played in a big boy division one SEC school, but there's a difference between
• 1:41:12
  even that and the NCAA and moving into the NFL.
• 1:41:16
  Our boy is bigger.
• 1:41:17
  NFL locker room.
• 1:41:19
  NFL, you got a little bit of money now.
• 1:41:21
  Your nutrition is better.
• 1:41:22
  Your recovery is better.
• 1:41:23
  Like, all of these things matter.
• 1:41:25
  You're not a 22 year old who has the run of the school either.
• 1:41:29
  Right?
• 1:41:30
  Like, the man was so athletically talented.
• 1:41:33
  He probably didn't have to go and be the best version of himself to be a dominant force at
• 1:41:38
  Alabama.
• 1:41:39
  Now it's different.
• 1:41:41
  And I think you saw that a little bit maybe in his rookie year where he thought he might be
• 1:41:45
  able to get away with, you know, not not being able to work out maybe as hard as the guy next
• 1:41:50
  to you and the guy across from you more than anything.
• 1:41:53
  Right?
• 1:41:53
  Where I think he understands it now.
• 1:41:55
  I mean, Dell, you you you follow this team a lot closer than I have and have been watching.
• 1:42:00
  Now seeing videos of Dallas this season, I mean, he looks like he's put on probably 10
• 1:42:06
  pounds even from last year.
• 1:42:08
  He looks a little thicker, looks a little bigger, and and doesn't feel like I don't feel
• 1:42:12
  like he's gonna get pushed around.
• 1:42:14
  And he didn't get he got pushed around a lot less last year, but I feel like you're not
• 1:42:18
  gonna be able to just move him off the ball.
• 1:42:20
  And now having another year of moves and experience under his belt, he's gonna be a
• 1:42:24
  problem, man.
• 1:42:26
  Well, abs absolutely.
• 1:42:27
  I mean, two two things to velocity.
• 1:42:30
  Right?
• 1:42:31
  Masts and, tooth to mass and velocity.
• 1:42:36
  That's how you move that's how you move something is through mass and velocity.
• 1:42:41
  So if your velocity is higher, if you're running faster and you're smaller, you're still
• 1:42:45
  gonna have a a bigger impact compared to somebody who is not as fast but bigger
• 1:42:52
  depending upon how fast you are.
• 1:42:54
  Because Dallas Turner is just as fast as Justin Jefferson.
• 1:42:57
  He ran a four four six.
• 1:42:59
  I mean, that's that's unhooked.
• 1:43:00
  You can you
• 1:43:01
  can talk about explosion.
• 1:43:02
  He had he
• 1:43:03
  was another guy that had a 42 inch vertical.
• 1:43:05
  You know what I'm saying?
• 1:43:06
  Our team is starting to get loaded with with players who who have 42 inch verticals.
• 1:43:11
  I'd I I
• 1:43:11
  Athletic freaks, man.
• 1:43:13
  That razz score.
• 1:43:14
  Right?
• 1:43:14
  We always like to talk about it during the draft of of that razz, and, it matters to it
• 1:43:20
  matters to Brian Flores on his defense.
• 1:43:24
  Like, he just set this defense up for the rest of his contract that he's going, I got fucking
• 1:43:29
  dogs.
• 1:43:30
  I don't need another pick.
• 1:43:31
  I don't I don't even need a pick in next year's draft.
• 1:43:34
  Yo.
• 1:43:34
  Our middle linebackers are so legit.
• 1:43:37
  Our middle line especially with this defensive line that we have now in front of them, being
• 1:43:41
  young and hungry in Redmond, Orange, and Banks, yeah, our middle linebackers are are are
• 1:43:48
  running free.
• 1:43:50
  Eric Wilson, I think, ran a four three.
• 1:43:52
  Cashman ran, like, a a four low four five.
• 1:43:56
  The Goldae ran like a four six.
• 1:44:00
  Goldae is has the same speed as Eric Kendrick's, except he's, what, six or seven
• 1:44:06
  inches taller and weighs 30 more pounds and can jump higher?
• 1:44:13
  You understand what
• 1:44:14
  I That
• 1:44:15
  sounds like something created in a lab.
• 1:44:17
  It it's it's it's wild, man.
• 1:44:19
  It's wild.
• 1:44:20
  And and his film Golde's college film is he has the nose for the ball.
• 1:44:25
  And and the the thing that I really like like about Golde to because you asked about Golde is
• 1:44:31
  that he he was a zero star recruit, a walk on.
• 1:44:35
  You know what I'm saying?
• 1:44:36
  He went to to I believe he went to, JUCO for two years and then went to Cincinnati for two,
• 1:44:43
  you know, and and stayed and and just stays the course.
• 1:44:46
  And another player who did that is Charles Demings, who is who is phenomenal.
• 1:44:53
  You you you guys are gonna fall in love with this guy.
• 1:44:55
  That's what I'm say I've I've I've personally had the take of our cornerback room being the
• 1:45:01
  best in the NFL.
• 1:45:03
  It's because of players like Dallas, like, Demings, like Rogers, like Murphy, like Pierre,
• 1:45:12
  like, take your pick, Vaughn or, McLaughlin.
• 1:45:17
  I think we take all six.
• 1:45:18
  Take safety out, insert a corner.
• 1:45:22
  You know?
• 1:45:22
  Thomas coming down into the box.
• 1:45:24
  Another another player who's who's a bigger player.
• 1:45:28
  Six two, two ten, looking like that's that's how big Joey Browner was.
• 1:45:33
  I'm I'm I'm talking to old school fans, however.
• 1:45:36
  Joey Browner was one of the best safeties the Minnesotans have ever had.
• 1:45:40
  Right?
• 1:45:41
  This player is coming into the box.
• 1:45:43
  So and it it it fits what Brian Flores does so well.
• 1:45:47
  All players are multiple.
• 1:45:49
  He wants players to do something of anything.
• 1:45:51
  Like, you can either cover or you can blitz.
• 1:45:54
  You pick your poison.
• 1:45:55
  We're gonna load this side and then send
• 1:45:57
  one player on the outside
• 1:45:58
  over here and drop everybody over there.
• 1:46:01
  With I have so many tricks coming out of my bag.
• 1:46:04
  It's making your head spin like a clothes dryer, man.
• 1:46:07
  Well, it makes it really hard to key in on a weakness on the defense and as an offense, try
• 1:46:12
  to exploit that.
• 1:46:13
  You can't do it because they could just swap that guy right back out too and and run
• 1:46:18
  something completely different at you.
• 1:46:20
  So yeah.
• 1:46:21
  Look at see, we got our fans.
• 1:46:22
  Angelo knows what's up.
• 1:46:23
  Angelo
• 1:46:24
  knows what's up.
• 1:46:25
  I gotta ask you this then.
• 1:46:27
  Go ahead, pods.
• 1:46:30
  You how passionately you guys talk about this defense.
• 1:46:34
  You see the just athletic freaks that are on it and all the potential it has and how
• 1:46:41
  competently it's run.
• 1:46:43
  How much of a purse like, percentage wise would you say the offense needs to put in to catch up
• 1:46:50
  to make it at least, like, three or four more games this season?
• 1:46:57
  Like, what does their competency level need to be at to, like, really maximize their
• 1:47:03
  opportunities that this defense is gonna give them?
• 1:47:06
  So how many yards rushing did we have last year?
• 1:47:09
  1,800, maybe 1,700?
• 1:47:13
  We probably need to get to 2,300, which would be 30 to 23 to if if we hit 2,500 yards rushing
• 1:47:25
  this year, we're gonna We won 14 games.
• 1:47:28
  Yeah.
• 1:47:29
  Yeah.
• 1:47:29
  We won 14 games.
• 1:47:31
  I can already tell you.
• 1:47:32
  Just from that single stat because the defense is going to be so locked down and turn that
• 1:47:37
  ball over, that means you have the ball for Ball control.
• 1:47:42
  Parts of the game.
• 1:47:43
  Toothic man, if you can keep the ball, the other team can't score.
• 1:47:47
  It's a freaking crazy concept.
• 1:47:49
  Right?
• 1:47:50
  But, KOC just can't That's where the attitude comes free and out and take ten seconds off the
• 1:47:55
  clock.
• 1:47:56
  And and what a detriment that is.
• 1:47:58
  High time of possession, they tend to win a lot of games.
• 1:48:01
  Yes, sir.
• 1:48:04
  Time of possession and turnover is the two most important stats in the NFL that are not talked
• 1:48:09
  about.
• 1:48:10
  No.
• 1:48:10
  Well, they're just not sexy to most people.
• 1:48:13
  Dave Thibodeau in here had a question, which I think is a good one.
• 1:48:17
  Who is going to get the most sacks this year?
• 1:48:19
  And I wanna put a a a how much of a competition is it going to be internally for that title?
• 1:48:28
  Oh, it's gonna be Dallas Turner, and I think it's gonna be a runaway.
• 1:48:32
  You think so?
• 1:48:33
  I think it's gonna be a runaway.
• 1:48:34
  And and I can't even get passionate about it because, like, it's it's inevitable.
• 1:48:40
  Is it because of the position and the player that he is and the amount of chaos that is
• 1:48:45
  going to be around it?
• 1:48:46
  Because one of one of the knocks on Banks, great at pressure, but didn't finish.
• 1:48:50
  Right?
• 1:48:51
  Didn't have that finish.
• 1:48:52
  Where Dallas Turner kind of, like, has that in spades if he can get free.
• 1:48:57
  If you can have defensive linemen that need to be double teamed standing next to him, it makes
• 1:49:02
  him a free runner one on one against the tackle every single
• 1:49:06
  play.
• 1:49:06
  Right.
• 1:49:06
  The line has to pinch in because the the guard has to come down And then
• 1:49:10
  And then you start talking about looping him in.
• 1:49:12
  If you try to go out, you bring him around in the middle.
• 1:49:15
  Right.
• 1:49:17
  Because that's that's when you saw Dallas Turner.
• 1:49:20
  Like, Dallas Turner had three sacks last year taken away via penalty for laying on the
• 1:49:25
  quarterback or another defense.
• 1:49:26
  You know, that would've as a backup, he would've had 11 and a half sacks last year as a
• 1:49:33
  backup.
• 1:49:35
  Just just think about that.
• 1:49:38
  Miles Garrett just broke the record
• 1:49:45
  last year.
• 1:49:46
  Right?
• 1:49:47
  Yeah.
• 1:49:47
  With the browns.
• 1:49:48
  Was it 17 and a half or 18 and half now?
• 1:49:50
  I forget what
• 1:49:51
  the record is.
• 1:49:51
  Could we be talking about a Dallas three.
• 1:49:54
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:49:55
  23.
• 1:49:56
  So 23 now.
• 1:49:57
  Yeah.
• 1:49:57
  That's a crazy amount.
• 1:49:58
  Could we be talking about a Dallas Turner?
• 1:50:00
  Maybe not in this season here, but in the next four years of his, probably three years of team
• 1:50:06
  control, I would assume.
• 1:50:07
  He's gonna get a fifth year option as a first round rookie.
• 1:50:10
  Are we talking about him being a 20 sack guy?
• 1:50:13
  Maybe not even, you know, approaching the record, but being a 20 sack guy.
• 1:50:17
  Yes.
• 1:50:18
  I
• 1:50:19
  think you're He has that explosive.
• 1:50:21
  To 14 sack guy.
• 1:50:24
  Yeah.
• 1:50:24
  And I think he does more than He 11 last year playing half the snaps.
• 1:50:29
  Then until he stepped in.
• 1:50:31
  He had eight and a half last
• 1:50:32
  year.
• 1:50:33
  Coulda had
• 1:50:33
  a win.
• 1:50:33
  The team he was he was tied for the on a on the team, three way tie for sacks last year as a
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  backup as a backup, mind you.
• 1:50:44
  Backing up
• 1:50:44
  Yeah.
• 1:50:45
  It had three Jonathan Grenard taken off one year one year removed from being an all pro
• 1:50:50
  player.
• 1:50:51
  An all pro player, you're the best player in the NFL.
• 1:50:55
  Backing up an all pro.
• 1:50:59
  Bro, we Yeah.
• 1:51:00
  We're good.
• 1:51:01
  Yeah.
• 1:51:01
  We're good.
• 1:51:01
  Well, and I thought that.
• 1:51:02
  When when I saw, they addressed the, and I you know, everybody it was so funny.
• 1:51:07
  It probably, like, my favorite moment of the draft because because the other way it went was
• 1:51:12
  when they announced the Caleb Banks pick in the stadium, and everybody's just like, who?
• 1:51:18
  Because nobody was talking about him.
• 1:51:20
  Because of his injury, that nobody was talking about him.
• 1:51:23
  But before that injury at the combine, they were talking about this guy being a potential
• 1:51:27
  top 10 pick because of the athletic profile.
• 1:51:31
  Right?
• 1:51:31
  Yes.
• 1:51:31
  And you got to steal at You got to steal him at 18?
• 1:51:36
  That's crazy.
• 1:51:37
  Senior bowl.
• 1:51:39
  It was it was in between him and Lee Hunter, who were the the the best defensive tackles
• 1:51:43
  coming out last year, in between him and Lee Hunter.
• 1:51:46
  And then Orange was close behind Lee Hunter.
• 1:51:49
  But Caleb Banks was by far the he was he was gonna be top 10.
• 1:51:54
  Absolutely.
• 1:51:55
  We got a steal.
• 1:51:57
  I go back to, thinking about drafting Garrett Bradbury over Jeffrey Simmons.
• 1:52:04
  And, we didn't make that turned out
• 1:52:06
  to be a pretty good player, did
• 1:52:09
  I I think so.
• 1:52:10
  I think so.
• 1:52:11
  But but we're alright.
• 1:52:12
  We're alright.
• 1:52:13
  We'll get we'll get past it in the same draft.
• 1:52:16
  Irv Smith junior over DK Metcalf.
• 1:52:20
  Oh.
• 1:52:21
  Now, see, since we're kinda dipping into this and former GM woes, what do you think of Nolan
• 1:52:27
  Teasley and what he brings to the table?
• 1:52:29
  Because he didn't make these draft picks.
• 1:52:31
  I think by all intents and purposes, you know, I know Rob B was the interim GM, but he wasn't
• 1:52:36
  the guy making the picks.
• 1:52:37
  This was the two head coaches coming together and saying, hey.
• 1:52:40
  Who do you want?
• 1:52:41
  And I love that KOC kinda got out of the way and said, Flo, what do you need?
• 1:52:45
  Because that's what it looked like from the outside.
• 1:52:47
  I can't verify that.
• 1:52:49
  I don't have any inside knowledge, but, gosh, that's sure what it seems like when you look at
• 1:52:53
  the picks that were made.
• 1:52:55
  Bro, look at look at our draft capital spent on the defensive side the last ten years.
• 1:53:02
  It's it's been our cupboards have been bare.
• 1:53:04
  We've drafted three corners, number one overall.
• 1:53:09
  In in the first three rounds under under Zimmer to now, before this draft, we drafted four
• 1:53:18
  first round draft picks and wait.
• 1:53:25
  Five first round and one second and two thirds.
• 1:53:30
  Then this year, we just went defense, defense, defense.
• 1:53:34
  We we picked four out of out of, what, five picks in in the first three rounds on the
• 1:53:42
  defensive side with three out of four in the first three round.
• 1:53:46
  Like, we went we finally went in on defense.
• 1:53:50
  Finally went in on defense.
• 1:53:53
  It's been nothing but offense.
• 1:53:55
  We've And got really strong value at all of those picks as well.
• 1:53:59
  I people are gonna debate the bank space.
• 1:54:01
  Look.
• 1:54:01
  If this guy goes out and becomes half of the player that some of us think if he lives up to
• 1:54:07
  half of his potential, you gotta steal at 18.
• 1:54:10
  It doesn't matter.
• 1:54:11
  Guys with that athletic
• 1:54:12
  Bro, get excited.
• 1:54:14
  Yeah.
• 1:54:14
  Yeah.
• 1:54:14
  Yeah.
• 1:54:15
  Well, that's why you talked about You talked about it on the show with rap, and that was the
• 1:54:19
  first thing that I was like, oh, that's music to my ears.
• 1:54:22
  I think Dominique Orange, just the size that big citrus brings, he's gonna be a problem just
• 1:54:27
  in that.
• 1:54:28
  Andy's a hell of a football player.
• 1:54:30
  Galday, Jakobi Thomas, I think, fits the profile of a beefalo defense, a guy that you
• 1:54:35
  have to have a safety in this league.
• 1:54:37
  You have to have a safety that can, one, come in and stop the run-in the box, but two, can
• 1:54:41
  cover athletic tight ends.
• 1:54:43
  Right?
• 1:54:44
  And and and we can touch on this before we let you go too, but Hitman, you know, everybody
• 1:54:49
  kinda saying the Jamal Adams signing pretty much said that we're not bringing back Hitman.
• 1:54:54
  I don't believe that to be true because Jamal Adams hasn't played safety in, like, two and a
• 1:54:57
  half years and and been in that position.
• 1:55:00
  But exactly what you said, like, you have there's five of these guys, these rookies that
• 1:55:06
  could be starters, if not week one, by the end of the season, and they're already
• 1:55:10
  contributing.
• 1:55:11
  Like, they're going to contribute as second team guys.
• 1:55:14
  They're going to contribute.
• 1:55:16
  May they are going to be your starters for the next foreseeable future, as the as the defense
• 1:55:21
  continues to age out a little bit in some other positions.
• 1:55:25
  Bubba Bubba, let me let me ask you something because I see this a lot in in in our defense,
• 1:55:30
  especially under Brian Flores.
• 1:55:31
  First of all, let me preface this.
• 1:55:33
  This is the closest thing to the 89 defense that I've seen us have.
• 1:55:37
  And in the eighty eighty eight, eighty nine defense, we had 58 and a half sacks come off
• 1:55:43
  the defensive line.
• 1:55:44
  In that year, 10 of our 11 defensive starters made the Pro Bowl.
• 1:55:51
  This is the closest thing to that.
• 1:55:52
  The Minnesota Vikings are actually not known for offense, which we've gotten a lot of fans
• 1:55:57
  from '98 on on on as fans in our in our kingdom on our boat.
• 1:56:04
  But the the history of the Vikings is we are a defensive organization.
• 1:56:11
  Defense wins championships.
• 1:56:13
  Actually, defense and running the ball, that's the recipe to to a championship.
• 1:56:19
  Our our our bro.
• 1:56:23
  We're gonna be good, bro.
• 1:56:24
  I I haven't seen, I haven't seen a pocket compress like what I saw in training camp since
• 1:56:32
  the Williams wall with, and I'm not saying that Caleb Banks and Dominic Orange are gonna be,
• 1:56:39
  Pat Williams and Kevin Williams.
• 1:56:41
  I'm saying that, like The impact will be the same.
• 1:56:46
  It's There's gonna be a lot of disruption on that side of the ball.
• 1:56:51
  Because there's for for an opposing quarterback to sit in the pocket, we he he and you can't
• 1:56:57
  climb the pocket, but then you have a player like Dallas Turner coming off the edge.
• 1:57:02
  And a Jacoby Thomas blitzing off the edge or a Jamal Adams coming from the side or an Andrew
• 1:57:07
  Van Ginkle coming from that other side, and you never know which one's coming.
• 1:57:12
  They're all standing on the line on every play.
• 1:57:15
  And and that's that's that actually brings me back to what I was what I was gonna ask you and
• 1:57:20
  and have you two think about.
• 1:57:22
  With Brian Flores' defense being so multiple in in last year and the year before being so
• 1:57:31
  scheme orientated.
• 1:57:32
  I've seen us run a one four six.
• 1:57:37
  And and and and and let me let me this is something to ponder.
• 1:57:42
  So just because you have a player playing a position, does it make him that position?
• 1:57:51
  Such as a Jamal Adams, a safety playing linebacker.
• 1:57:55
  So are we really running are are are we should we, like, stop thinking about things within the
• 1:58:01
  constructs of Madden and calling a four three or a three four and start to look at it?
• 1:58:06
  Oh, wow.
• 1:58:06
  We're actually running a a three three five.
• 1:58:11
  You know what I'm saying?
• 1:58:12
  Like, it because it's it's so multiple.
• 1:58:14
  Because I've I've seen, under Flores where I'll bring it up again.
• 1:58:18
  Our base defense is basically a two four two four five.
• 1:58:24
  You know?
• 1:58:24
  We we bring we run three we start three safeties, two corners, four four four
• 1:58:30
  linebackers, and two defensive linemen.
• 1:58:34
  And sometimes and when we run dime, we'll only have one defensive lineman on the field.
• 1:58:39
  Run four linemen.
• 1:58:41
  One defensive lineman is Caleb Banks who can still get a sack Right.
• 1:58:45
  As that one
• 1:58:46
  And and the quarterback the quarterback is still getting annoyed because two guys
• 1:58:52
  can't stop him.
• 1:58:53
  Do you see I know that it's really early in this, but do you see shades of 2024, which was
• 1:59:00
  arguably the best defense in this era of the Vikings that we've seen of this beefalo defense
• 1:59:06
  yet.
• 1:59:06
  Are you seeing shades of getting back to that in this upcoming season and a better version of
• 1:59:13
  that?
• 1:59:13
  Because that defense was scary.
• 1:59:15
  I was really I was watching from the bears perspective that.
• 1:59:18
  Like, I was watching as an opposing fan, these teams play and going, I don't wanna play that
• 1:59:23
  defense.
• 1:59:24
  You you just don't know.
• 1:59:25
  You don't know what you're gonna get.
• 1:59:27
  You have eight guys on the line of scrimmage almost every single play, and you have no
• 1:59:31
  Everybody drops.
• 1:59:32
  And everybody, yeah, everybody drops, and you still get a sack.
• 1:59:35
  Like, make that make sense because they overrule
• 1:59:39
  And you have multiple players on that team that could have multiple sacks.
• 1:59:43
  House out.
• 1:59:44
  Know what I'm saying?
• 1:59:45
  Like, this is what we're talking about here.
• 1:59:47
  Yes.
• 1:59:48
  But in in 2024, we did lead the league in turnovers, and it wasn't by a small margin.
• 1:59:55
  You know what I'm saying?
• 1:59:56
  Like, it wasn't by his score.
• 1:59:58
  Our quarterback.
• 2:00:00
  What what?
• 2:00:01
  It was 30
• 2:00:01
  quarterback room.
• 2:00:02
  37?
• 2:00:03
  Yeah.
• 2:00:04
  Yeah.
• 2:00:04
  Yeah.
• 2:00:05
  Dolman had 21 and a half.
• 2:00:07
  Millard, who won defensive MVP, had 18 and a half.
• 2:00:11
  Henry Thomas had 12 and a half, and El Noga had, like, 10 and a half.
• 2:00:17
  Just on the We could be moving that against around.
• 2:00:21
  We could be having Turner 20, a you know, Caleb Gohman role.
• 2:00:27
  12, big citrus getting double digits.
• 2:00:31
  You could have five players with double digit sacks on that front eight and a safety probably
• 2:00:37
  with double digit sacks.
• 2:00:38
  And and this is this is what happens.
• 2:00:40
  When when you when you draft a talent such as a Randy Moss, it doesn't matter.
• 2:00:45
  He moves the needle so much that he affects everybody else on the field.
• 2:00:51
  People talk of, Justin Jefferson as having gravity in in, the opposing defensive secondary
• 2:00:58
  because you always have to double him, if not triple him, which frees up everybody else and
• 2:01:04
  everything is easier.
• 2:01:05
  That was what was so frustrating last year in in watching the Vikings is that we were
• 2:01:11
  constantly throwing into pass coverage because we couldn't run the ball because our offensive
• 2:01:16
  line was healthy because, once again, it comes back to delivering punishment and being less
• 2:01:21
  effective at at your craft because you're hurt.
• 2:01:25
  Nobody respected this team's run game
• 2:01:26
  last year.
• 2:01:28
  Not not a single team last year was worried about us ever running the ball.
• 2:01:32
  And and when it's it's kinda what opened it up for those last five games of the year because
• 2:01:37
  they're like, well, he's not gonna run it.
• 2:01:38
  And then, you know, that's why your running game is working even with a banged up offensive
• 2:01:42
  line.
• 2:01:42
  Game wasn't doing that particularly well either.
• 2:01:45
  Well, no.
• 2:01:47
  That's what you're gonna get with a, you know, a guy that's gonna
• 2:01:49
  support the team starts in the league.
• 2:01:52
  Even even with that said, so last year, we went on a five game winning streak.
• 2:01:56
  Right?
• 2:01:58
  Within that within those five games, JJ McCarthy was 53 out of 83, and I think that's,
• 2:02:04
  like, 67% had five touchdowns throwing to two interceptions and ran for two touchdowns.
• 2:02:12
  Those are decent numbers.
• 2:02:14
  So, like, our offense without without the the name on the back of the jersey, and I'm just
• 2:02:19
  bringing up McCarthy as an example in in those stats as an example, with a player that can
• 2:02:25
  achieve those numbers, which are not huge numbers to achieve, but they are good.
• 2:02:33
  Like, we went undefeated.
• 2:02:35
  But you don't need an MVP you don't need an MVP quarterback when you have
• 2:02:40
  a defense.
• 2:02:41
  Consistent competency.
• 2:02:46
  Ala ala that.
• 2:02:49
  Ala I'll let Trent Dilfer.
• 2:02:51
  I'll let Brad Johnson.
• 2:02:52
  Thank you.
• 2:02:53
  That that's a pretty good thing.
• 2:02:54
  I would say.
• 2:02:55
  The 2,000 the 2,000 ravens.
• 2:02:58
  And and
• 2:02:59
  can win one Right.
• 2:03:03
  Right.
• 2:03:03
  Give me Alex Smith.
• 2:03:05
  Right.
• 2:03:07
  And I think that's
• 2:03:08
  what I've always been on is that I saw enough out of this team last year that, like, you were
• 2:03:12
  right on the doorstep even with piss poor play for the first entire half of the season, and
• 2:03:18
  you were still there because of that defense.
• 2:03:20
  You can get there.
• 2:03:21
  And why I'm kinda saying, I don't know if you were listening to the stream and and kind of
• 2:03:25
  it's funny because I don't remember hearing rap say it before this.
• 2:03:28
  So I'm gonna take a little bit for putting this bug in his ear is that, like, best case
• 2:03:31
  scenario, Kyler starts the season as the starter.
• 2:03:35
  I don't wanna wish for him to get hurt or anything, but you're seeing something behind
• 2:03:38
  the scenes out of JJ McCarthy to feel comfortable, and this defense is just out there
• 2:03:43
  murdering teams that you're saying, hey.
• 2:03:45
  We have an opportunity to go flip Kyler Murray who are paying nothing for a first and a second
• 2:03:51
  because a team needs a quarterback of that caliber.
• 2:03:53
  And Kyler Murray is twenty third on the list.
• 2:03:56
  So you're not trading a top 10 quarterback, but you could get some serious value in a what if
• 2:04:01
  people are calling a historically deep draft in next year, and you're able to add serious
• 2:04:06
  talent on that side.
• 2:04:07
  Best case scenario to me, you still have two years of control on a JJ McCarthy anyway.
• 2:04:12
  Can you get the kid to be competent and consistent this year?
• 2:04:16
  Flip Murray for a couple of draft picks.
• 2:04:18
  Make your team better for the future, which could even mean drafting another quarterback
• 2:04:23
  next year, which has a deeper quarterback class possibly.
• 2:04:26
  Right?
• 2:04:27
  And setting yourself up for that because I just I don't think and maybe, Dell, you you can
• 2:04:31
  speak to this because we didn't really get your thoughts on it, but I don't think Murray's here
• 2:04:35
  next year regardless of how he plays this year.
• 2:04:38
  I think this team could win a Super Bowl, and I think that almost guarantees that he's not back
• 2:04:42
  because he's gonna go, I need 65,000,000 a year, and the Vikings are not
• 2:04:46
  gonna pay him.
• 2:04:46
  You know what I mean?
• 2:04:48
  If Kyler Murray goes out there and balls out and wins a Super Bowl or goes to a Super Bowl
• 2:04:53
  even with this Vikings team, he ain't coming back the next year and taking 35,000,000 to
• 2:04:58
  make the team better.
• 2:04:59
  He's going for the bag.
• 2:05:00
  I mean, that's just my mentality.
• 2:05:02
  I don't I just don't see that Kyler Murray loves ball like you love ball.
• 2:05:06
  Maybe I'm wrong.
• 2:05:09
  I mean, the the Kyler Murray did have a stipulation in his contract about playing video
• 2:05:15
  games over studying the playbook and set a threshold of, like, four hours a week on doing
• 2:05:23
  film work.
• 2:05:23
  So I mean but that's that's that's not to say that's not to I just want I just want the best
• 2:05:29
  quarterback out there.
• 2:05:30
  I'm really a a a JJ truther because I'm always pulling for the underdog.
• 2:05:36
  This is just who I am as a person.
• 2:05:40
  And especially, like, when I hear reports about McCarthy completely blowing out, JJ McCarthy on
• 2:05:49
  the first day of public attended training camp and going there and seeing it and be like,
• 2:05:55
  what?
• 2:05:55
  Are what what blowout?
• 2:05:57
  What it because they both played poorly.
• 2:06:00
  You know?
• 2:06:01
  So I just I don't want somebody to to to to step to to push somebody down in order to raise
• 2:06:09
  themselves up.
• 2:06:10
  You understand what I'm saying?
• 2:06:12
  You think JJ is on this team next year?
• 2:06:15
  Like, he's still under contract, so by all intents and purposes, he should be here, and
• 2:06:19
  and that's what I've alluded to quite a bit on our show and even when I go on rap show.
• 2:06:24
  Do you think that JJ McCarthy is here regardless of whether Kyler Murray is or not?
• 2:06:29
  I think JJ is on the team longer than Kevin O'Connell.
• 2:06:37
  Damn.
• 2:06:38
  Damn.
• 2:06:39
  Now that's that's a hot take.
• 2:06:41
  I like that.
• 2:06:43
  Me ask you a question, though.
• 2:06:46
  Yes, sir.
• 2:06:48
  What route would you have the Vikings go with the quarterback?
• 2:06:52
  Say neither of these guys work out work out.
• 2:06:56
  You can have JJ as a backup.
• 2:06:59
  What avenue would you go and get your quarterback?
• 2:07:01
  Are you going to the draft, or are you going after a guy like a Mac Jones?
• 2:07:06
  I I really think, and and and what I've seen out of history and watching football is there
• 2:07:14
  is seldom a team that succeeds at chasing the quarterback position.
• 2:07:21
  It's like, taking a pill for happiness.
• 2:07:25
  No amount of anything is going to bring you happiness except for knowing yourself and
• 2:07:31
  having a better relationship with that person you want to be.
• 2:07:35
  You understand what I'm saying?
• 2:07:37
  And recognizing who you are is paramount in that relationship.
• 2:07:42
  Being honest with yourself that it isn't about one person.
• 2:07:47
  No.
• 2:07:47
  Because truth be told, no man is an island.
• 2:07:51
  There are 22 starters on this football team.
• 2:07:55
  So I don't I don't know how to answer that question.
• 2:08:00
  I think we should do grass grassroots level.
• 2:08:04
  Go to the draft.
• 2:08:05
  Develop both these guys.
• 2:08:07
  Develop yourselves as people, including the coaches including the coaches, including the
• 2:08:12
  owners, including the fans, educate yourselves.
• 2:08:16
  You know?
• 2:08:16
  Learn to watch football with your eyes, not your ears.
• 2:08:20
  You know?
• 2:08:21
  So, man, I just really appreciate
• 2:08:25
  On that note, do you feel like there you we have seen a little bit of growth from our head
• 2:08:32
  coach from the end of last season to the beginning of training camp now?
• 2:08:38
  Do you feel like you've seen finally for the first time a little bit of humility, a little
• 2:08:43
  bit of mea culpa, although maybe not publicly facing and being at the podium and saying it,
• 2:08:49
  some of the actions that we've seen and and coaching staff decisions kinda point to that.
• 2:08:54
  Do do you feel the same way?
• 2:09:00
  I think that that would be up to Kevin O'Connell to answer, as far as what his growth
• 2:09:05
  level is and what he's learned from last year to this year.
• 2:09:08
  And I haven't heard any reporters, ask him that question, which would be an actually good
• 2:09:13
  question
• 2:09:14
  to ask.
• 2:09:14
  First question I'm asking.
• 2:09:16
  Right?
• 2:09:16
  Maybe that's just who we are as people, Dell.
• 2:09:20
  Right.
• 2:09:20
  What do they what do they say?
• 2:09:21
  There's there's there's three frogs sitting on a log.
• 2:09:24
  One decides to jump in.
• 2:09:26
  How many frogs do you have left?
• 2:09:31
  It all depends upon if your decisions actually mean something.
• 2:09:36
  Because after all, they're just decisions.
• 2:09:38
  Right?
• 2:09:39
  Are you going to actually act on it?
• 2:09:42
  And looking at KOC's history, I think I've heard the same thing the previous two years of
• 2:09:49
  him running the ball and deciding to be more of a physical team, which has not happened.
• 2:09:55
  But He's gotta he's gotta he's gotta people can change
• 2:09:58
  at this point?
• 2:10:00
  I I don't wanna I don't want to, throw anybody under the a bus, and and and I try to call it
• 2:10:08
  as even down the line as I possibly can.
• 2:10:12
  Although sometimes I I do get a little emotional and, frustrated.
• 2:10:17
  I'm only a person.
• 2:10:18
  Right?
• 2:10:18
  Which with that with that and me, I have to allow other people like, I have the right to
• 2:10:24
  make a mistake.
• 2:10:25
  I have to allow other people the right to make a mistake as well.
• 2:10:30
  That's called freedom.
• 2:10:31
  And that's that's the idea of the Vikings.
• 2:10:34
  We want the Vikings to be free, to be themselves, to be something no one has ever
• 2:10:39
  been.
• 2:10:40
  Right?
• 2:10:40
  Just like you.
• 2:10:42
  You want I want you to be you.
• 2:10:47
  Del, that's a perfect spot.
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  Later.
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  I love you.
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  Yeah.
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  That's a perfect spot to light it off.
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  We do this every Tuesday at 08:00, man.
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  We would love to have you on every single week with us.
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  If you're available, you are welcome onto this show.
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  That link that Rap sent you is the same link every single week.
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  I know Rap does his lives on Tuesdays as well, and we try to get him when we can.
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  But, I think I think your takes are awesome.
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  I think you're a great personality to have on our sports network.
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  We'd love to hear you talk about maybe some other sports too.
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  If you're this passionate about the Vikings of football, I'm sure there's other things that
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  get you fired up too, man.
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  Can't wait to meet you at Skullfest.
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  Really looking forward to having you back on the show when whenever you're available,
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  sharing some more camp stuff with us tonight.
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  Barbara, appreciate you tapping in.
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  Angelo, you guys, thanks for hanging out late with us and being part of this.
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  I'm really appreciative to wrap.
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  The Vocal Vike does so much and has done so much for our channel, especially growing this
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  show in particular, but we do it all, man.
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  Pods has a show on here called the Scratch Project.
• 2:11:51
  We cover golf and PGA stuff and getting better, making making regular people better at the
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  game.
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  We have Let's go.
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  Baseball show.
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  We got a hockey show we're gonna be coming out with.
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  Basketball, we'll be covering this year when the seasons get kicked off.
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  We have motor sports.
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  We do it all, man.
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  I really came into this show and this network as being something.
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  You know, ESPN for the common man.
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  I'm not gonna tell you how to feel.
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  You know?
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  We're gonna come on here.
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  I'm gonna tell you how I feel, and I'm gonna give you an opportunity just like the Vocal
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  Vikes show does to to allow fans to have a voice here.
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  And the we're always sending out the link for people to join us, and I'm I'm so appreciative
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  of your time today to jump on and share some of your insights, man, and the way that you see
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  the game and bring that to the table.
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  I think it's so important in this day and age.
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  We have the ability to do it.
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  Brother, you are always welcome, Del.
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  Thank you so much, man.
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  Yo.
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  Peace, y'all.
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  One love.
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  Be well, brother.
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  I'm a connect with you.
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  Man, the Del Vincent, that man dropping not just the insights from camp, but so much more.
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  Really appreciate him.
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  Pods, what a show, man.
• 2:13:00
  That was incredible.
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  I'd say so.
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  That was one of most.
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  Thanks
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  for tuning in.
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