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S6 263. Brian Godawa - Judah Maccabee - Abomination of Desolation · Millennial Mustard Seed

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  That's tough. We're in a very tough spot.
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  I think that what we're doing right now is a great benefit and
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  virtue because it's an end around between this whole
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  corrupt informational system, media system.
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  We claim to believe in a God who spoke the universe into
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  existence and literally raised himself from the dead, and yet
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  we are not going to believe that anything.
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  Else exists in the spirit realm, even though His word tells us
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  that they do. Their bodies weren't permitted
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  to go to sleep like humans do, and they weren't permitted to go
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  to heaven. So they wander the earth.
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  You know, I've seen the eyes turn black to unknown tongues
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  being spoken. These giants would live way up
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  in the highland. The old Braves, the young men
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  would hide up in the trees and wait for one of these 12 footers
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  to come walking down the bath. And they would jump on them and
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  kill them, drag them back in the village, and the village would
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  feast on the body. Then people start to get
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  weapons, they start to get armor, they start to build
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  cities, they start to fortify their cities.
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  Now God looks down and there's violence everywhere.
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  The. Battle.
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  This war that we are at is not against each other.
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  It's against these principalities and these rulers
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  and these archons in the high places.
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  It's really worthwhile to read the Bible yourself.
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  Fear is one of the primary drivers of mind control because
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  we have to take every thought captive and resist fear.
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  You're going to have a testimony that is a justice case against
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  the Kingdom of darkness. Hi, I'm Brian Godawa and you're
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  watching or listening to the Millennial Mustard Seed podcast.
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  Get ready for a RIP roaring adventure.
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  Brian, it's a pleasure to be back with you again.
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  And indeed, it's great to be back.
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  I have here your newest novel, Judah Maccabee and the
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  Abomination of Desolation, right?
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  There's so much to unpack there, so it's just great to have you
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  back again, you know, catch us up real quick.
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  What's going on in Brians world? What have you been up to other
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  than the release of this new book?
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  Yeah, well, the the release is the big thing.
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  Just within the last couple months and I'm actually, I can't
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  tell you, I, if I told you what I was working on next, I'd have
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  to kill you. Still a secret for my next
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  novel. So look, when I release a novel,
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  you know, I spend a month or two trying to promote it and then I
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  got to get back on the track of, you know, for the next novel.
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  And it's going to be still in the Watchers Chronicles of the
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  Watchers series, which we'll explain here and I guess in a
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  second, which is part of what Judah Maccabee is.
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  I'm just continuing the series basically.
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  And so, yeah, been been exciting, you know, this, this
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  book, Judah Maccabee, it's two parts.
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  It's a two novel set. And the reason why I was because
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  it, there's just so much I realized, OK, I got to split it
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  into two. Yeah, there you go.
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  First one's called, like you said, abomination of desolation,
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  first part and then the Spiritual World of Ancient
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  Israel and Greece is a companion book and I'll explain that in a
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  second. But Judah Maccabee is a part of
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  the Chronicles of the Watchers series.
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  And what that is, is is a series of novels stand alone, but you
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  could read them in order and get something more out of it if you
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  want. But most of them are based on
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  the on the Bible or stories that intersect with the Bible in some
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  way. And it's a retelling these
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  stories through the divine council paradigm, which is the
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  understanding that in the Bible it talks about spiritual
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  principalities or powers, authorities in the heavenly
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  realm who not only reside but interact with the earthly realm,
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  reside over it, but interact with the earthly realm.
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  In fact, so much so that in the Bible, you know, you like in
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  Deuteronomy 3288 through 10, you'll read about how God
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  actually sets up the Gentile nations under these fallen sons
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  of God who are these angelic beings?
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  And in other places they're called watchers.
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  And what they are is their spiritual powers who are over
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  earthly nations or sometimes cities or sometimes kings,
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  usually earthly authorities in some way.
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  And they are, they are linked to them such that if you see a a
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  war in on earth, there's a war in heaven that corresponds to
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  it. And of course, you know, one of
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  the classic passages that talks about this is Daniel 10, where
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  it talks about the Prince of Persia versus the Prince of
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  Greece. And those are scholars will
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  explain that that concept there in that passage is not talking
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  about earthly Princess, but heavenly powers.
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  And that can't that the conflict that's described there between
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  the Prince of Persia and the Prince of Greece is reflected in
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  the historical situation of Daniel's shortly after Daniel's
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  time period, where the Greek Kingdom of Alexander the Great
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  was going to come in and fight against the Medo Persian Kingdom
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  and conquer them actually. And of course, Daniel is a book,
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  a prophetic book about history and what's going to be taking
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  place within his lifetime and then beyond.
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  So yeah. So that that's that paradigm
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  that, you know, Gentile nations have these powers over them.
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  So I've incorporated that concept into my novels.
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  And so I'm retelling stories like Jezebel, the first book in
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  the series, Harlot, Queen of Israel, a book on Moses against
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  the gods of Egypt, and now Judah Maccabee.
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  And now, of course, any Christian will immediately
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  respond, wait a minute, Judah Maccabee, Who's that?
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  If you, if you recognize the name Maccabee, you'll go, hey,
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  isn't that in the Apocrypha? That's not the Bible, right?
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  Well, as a matter of fact, if you're Catholic, it is in your
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  Bible because it is in Catholic Bibles.
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  Or if you're Eastern Orthodox, it will be in your Bible as
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  well. But Protestants don't have it in
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  theirs. And there's a, you know, we
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  don't have to debate all the issues about it because I as a
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  Protestant, basically I'm taking the same stance that the
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  historic Christian Church has always taken from the early
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  church fathers on into the Reformation and beyond.
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  Where they, if you, those who did not believe that the
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  Apocrypha was scripture still believed that they were
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  legitimate historical resources and sources that were also
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  helpful for the Christian Church.
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  So you don't have to believe it's Scripture to appreciate the
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  stories. And but in that so, So what I
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  wanted to say was all this stuff that we're talking about.
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  I'm, I'm writing these stories and they're quite, you know,
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  elaborate at times and they're quite wild supernatural stories.
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  And so I know that people are going to read that sometimes and
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  go, this is, is this all made-up?
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  I don't know about this, you know, or like is he playing with
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  the word of God? No, I'm not.
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  And So what I do is I provide a companion book that you can buy
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  and that will I wherein I explain all the biblical and
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  historical research. And that's the one spiritual
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  world of ancient Israel and Greece.
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  Many people will read the research book first so that they
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  understand the context of what the story is being told.
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  And it's been very helpful. But you don't have to if because
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  I try my best to, you know, explain things within the story.
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  But if you just like to go beyond, above and beyond and
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  that's available little before you, and I've been doing that
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  forever on on the series. So that's been an exciting
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  thing. But so the other reason why I
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  was writing this, so there's a couple of reasons why I was
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  writing the book on the Maccabees.
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  And one is I've always considered to be an interesting
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  set of books. There's actually four books, 1st
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  through 4th Maccabees. I'm drawing from the first two
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  books, which are more historical.
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  The other ones are more religious, philosophical and and
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  the the Maccabees books begin by telling the story of the
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  cleansing of the temple that happened in the 2nd century BC
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  and it's the story of Hanukkah, how the the festival of Hanukkah
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  originated. Of course, in the Gospel of John
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  talks about Jesus himself going to the Feast of dedication or
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  Hanukkah. Even though the festival's not
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  commanded in the Bible, Jews have have celebrated it.
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  Why? Because it's an amazing
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  Braveheart like story of Jews in the 2nd century BC fighting for
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  their freedom after being oppressed by the Greek Seleucid
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  king by the name of Antiochus Epiphanes.
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  And I'll I'll explain what that story is.
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  But that's sort of the big setting scenario of the book.
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  And there's another element of what interested me in the story
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  was so this, like I said, this takes place around 168 BC is is
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  when my story begins. And this is an important story
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  for several reasons. One is it's takes place in this
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  time period between the Old and New Testaments that scholars
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  will call. I don't know if they do but but
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  I've seen it. The silent years, do they call
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  it? Yeah, God is silent.
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  But yeah, 400 years of silence, meaning God is not speaking to
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  his people. Why?
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  Because the last prophet, Malachi, before the New
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  Testament, before Jesus, Malachi was it.
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  And Jews, many Jews acknowledge that for 400 years God did not
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  speak to his people through the prophets.
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  But not only that, but God's Spirit, Ezekiel in, in, in the
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  exile when they went in the exile, which is when Daniel was
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  a part of the exile as well. Ezekiel saw, he had a vision
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  where he saw the Spirit of God leave the temple in Jerusalem
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  and he never comes back. Now.
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  This is why you read in the post exilic prophets Zephaniah and
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  Malachi, you read about Yahweh returning to Zion.
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  Well, Yahweh would return to Zion in the Holy Temple with
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  Messiah. And that's what Jesus is when he
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  comes into the temple. He is Yahweh returning to Zion,
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  returning to the temple. And so this is this time period
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  where God is relationally in a sense withdrawn from Israel.
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  But that doesn't mean he's not. That doesn't mean he's not
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  sovereignly controlling history. In fact, all the more it shows
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  that God is ordaining history, even though He doesn't appear to
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  be relating to them on the surface.
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  It's very similar to the book of Esther, right?
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  Where we everyone knows, every Christian knows the name of God
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  is not in the book of Esther. Why?
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  Because it's sort of making the point that even when it doesn't
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  look like God's around, he's still orchestrating history.
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  So that's how I see the Maccabees is the same scenario.
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  God is sovereign over Gentile history as well as Jewish
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  history, whether or not we think he is.
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  And then so there's that theological thing that is very
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  fascinating to me. And yet in the, in spite of
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  that, this incident of, of where we get Hanukkah from is actually
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  a fulfillment of some of Daniel's prophecies.
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  So it actually is connected to the Bible, whether whether the
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  book is or not, in the sense that it is describing historical
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  event, This story that I'm going to explain in a minute.
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  And it is it is prophesied in Daniel.
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  And so that's why I think that's very fascinating.
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  And so I want to look at that a lot closer.
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  And when I did the research, you know, I looked into the
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  Apocrypha, looked in the Septuagint, all these
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  fascinating things that were going on in that time.
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  This time period is a very crucial turning point in Jewish
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  history because it's also the time period where the Sadducees
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  and the Pharisees and the Essenes split created that were
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  were created around this time period out of this event that
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  became those same characters that we know about in the New
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  Testament of Jesus, right. So, and then this is also a time
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  period where it was the only sort of 50 years or something
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  like that, where the Jews were not or had a a certain amount of
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  freedom. They were still subjugated to
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  the Kingdom of Greece and then Rome.
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  But none the less, they, they won a, a certain measure of
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  freedom in that time period, which is very unusual, right.
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  So yeah, there's a lot going on there.
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  And, and I wanted to tell that story.
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  So the basic storyline is that around 169 or 168 BC, Antiochus
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  Epiphanes is the king of Seleucia, or the Seleucid
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  Kingdom. What is that?
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  That's a Greek Kingdom that comes out of the the conquering
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  of the world, the known. World at that Time by Alexander
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  the Great. Yes, Yeah, It was broken apart
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  in four. Different 4 kingdoms.
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  Right. So Seleucus gets what?
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  What area? Seleucus.
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  Gets Mesopotamia and and the Levant and Syria, and then
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  Ptolemy gets Egypt. So both of those names are
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  Greek, the names of Greek generals.
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  Then other generals got Macedonia and Anatolia.
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  But but we're focusing on these two kingdoms.
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  Why? Because they're the ones that
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  are focused on in the prophecies of Daniel.
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  So you've got the Greek king in the north who is Antiochus
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  Epiphanes. And then the Greek king in the
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  South is Ptolemy in Egypt. In between those two is Israel.
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  And why is it important? Because Ptolemies, the the
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  Seleucids, the Seleucids and the Ptolemies were fighting for like
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  100 years, multiple wars. There's like 6 wars and the 6th
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  Syrian war they call it. Is this what this story takes
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  place in? So it's at the end of that those
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  wars where So what you have is you have the, the, the Seleucids
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  and the Ptolemies fighting for power and in between his little
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  Israel and they, it gets tossed back and forth between those two
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  kingdoms, right? And so that's why it's so
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  important to the Jewish history. But what happens is at round 169
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  BC, Antiochus gets enough power in his Kingdom where he's able
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  to launch an invasion of Egypt. And he says, this is it once and
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  for all. I'm just going to go to
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  Alexandria, they're one of their key cities, and demolish them
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  and take it over. He'd done it earlier, but he, he
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  left. He just he, he, he came to
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  Egypt, did some conquering, but then returned because he
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  couldn't take the whole country. But this time he's going to do
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  the whole thing, right. So he comes down there with all
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  his war elephants and his armies and he's about to any surrounds
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  Alexandria. But what happens is this is a
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  time period. Now you've got these Greek
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  kingdoms fighting for power, but meanwhile Rome is Roman Republic
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  is growing in its power and it is becoming the main power in
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  the region. And so and Rome of course needed
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  Egypt for its grain supplies. And So what happens is Rome
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  sends an emissary to to Egypt while the Antiochus is
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  surrounding Alexandra. And he tells them, no, you're
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  not going to do this. Go back home.
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  Egypt is important to us and you're not going to screw this
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  up for us. And Antiochus knows he can't
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  fight both the Ptolemies in the South and Rome in the West.
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  And I mean, and Rome is so powerful anyway, he knows his
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  place and he returns. But, but, but on his way back,
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  he's going to pass through Israel, right Jerusalem, and
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  pass by Jerusalem. And he finds out that there
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  there's a revolt going on in the city of Jerusalem.
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  Now he thinks it's a revolt against him, but it's actually a
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  civil war between competing high priests.
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  One is Menelaus, who is the high priest that bribed his way into
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  King Antiochus's realm, right? So he's the current high priest,
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  but then the ex priest that had been kicked out, he comes in and
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  attacks Menelaus in Jerusalem to try to take control because he
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  thinks Antiochus Epiphanes is dead, but he's not.
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  So but Antiochus gets there and he's so ticked off, you know, at
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  this stuff that he just, you know, Jason flees with his
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  armies because he knows he doesn't have he's like a
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  guerrilla army. There's nothing to it.
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  Mentalius, you know, accepts the king with open arms, but the
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  king is so ticked that he goes on a rampage and he kills 10s of
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  thousands of Jews for this rebellion and he institute's new
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  laws. He says, you know, you Jews have
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  ever since my father Antiochus the Great from decades ago gave
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  you special privileges, everyone else in the, in the Greek
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  Kingdom had been Hellenized. And, and to be fair, Jews were
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  Hellenized too, but not all of them.
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  They were allowed to, you know, they had, they, everyone spoke
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  Greek, right? So there's a lot of Greek
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  influence, but the Jews were allowed their special, special
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  cultic obligations, covenantal obligations, circumcision, not
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  eating pork and other unclean meats and such, right?
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  And they had their holy temple. So they were allowed that
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  freedom. But he says enough, you guys
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  have caused so much trouble and you're going to be come fully
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  Greek now. So he forces them to to no
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  longer circumcise, to no longer have their dietary restrictions,
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  they must eat pork, etcetera. And he sets up a statue of Zeus
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  in the temple in Jerusalem and forces them to sacrifice unclean
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  pigs and other animals on the altar.
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  In other words, now you're going to worship Zeus as the high God.
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  I mean, it's pretty radical like, right?
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  I mean, very few have done that in history, tried to do that to
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  the Jews. And the thing was there it in
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  this time period, like I said, Hellenism had, which is, you
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  know, the Greek of fication of the world, right?
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  It had affected many Jews. So some of them went along with
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  it and some did not. And those who did not were
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  martyred and tortured. And the books of Maccabees talks
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  about these martyrs and the pretty gruesome stories.
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  And I actually incorporate all this, I'm telling you, is all in
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  the novel. I've drawn from the books of the
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  Maccabees as well as other historical sources to try to be
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  accurate as I can. And so, and because of that
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  martyrdom, it rises. Other holy Jews who refused to
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  obey the king then became inspired to rise up and stand
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  against the king. And the leader of that was a man
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  named Mattathiah and his five sons, one of which was Judas
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  Maccabeus or Judah Maccabee. Judah Maccabee is the Hebrew
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  name of the Greek name Judas Maccabeus.
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  So his family rises up there. They're a family of priests
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  actually, and or his their father was.
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  And they kill a bunch of Greek soldiers in their hometown and
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  then they flee into the wilderness because they know the
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  the Greek army's going to come after them.
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  But they start to assemble a Greek, I'm sorry, set to
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  assemble a guerrilla army from which they will, you know,
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  attack the Greeks. And then it grows to become a a
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  big army such that near the end of that story, they're able to
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  cleanse the temple. From that statue of Zeus, return
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  the temple back to its original pristine and condition and kick
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  out the Greeks from Jerusalem and have that freedom for a
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  while now. One of the 22 elements of that
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  was when the Zeus statue of Zeus was put in the temple, the king
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  stopped the daily morning and evening sacrifices.
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  Now the prophecy people should recognize.
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  Oh, that's that's in Daniel, isn't it?
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  Right. Yeah, It talks about that.
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  And he sets up what's called the abomination of desolation.
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  And that is what the term means is abomination is an image of an
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  idol that is detestable to God. And desolation means, think of
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  it like a desert is desolate, right?
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  So desolation means it is spiritually desolate.
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  God is withdrawn, his presence, that kind of a thing.
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  And now also people who recognize that term will go,
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  hey, wait a minute. Didn't Jesus say that the
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  abomination of desolation was in his future?
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  Yes, he did. There was one that was in
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  Jesus's immediate future. But there's two different
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  abominations of desolation in the book of Daniel.
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  So you have to study this and realize that in Daniel 8 and 11
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  is talking about king Antiochus Epiphanes.
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  And scholars have have proven that, you know, these these
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  events in eight and 11 fit Antiochus perfectly.
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  And then in nine and 12 is the one that Jesus is talking about.
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  South abomination of desolation isn't some kind of generic
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  prophecy and it's not, but it is a, a, an idiom, a term that you
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  could technically use of anything that any image that's
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  abominable that you put in a holy place, right, like the
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  temple, you could call it an abomination of desolation.
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  But specifically in Daniel, he's, he's saying specific
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  events that are going to occur. And this is where he does talk
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  about Antiochus, not by name, but you know, the king that sets
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  it up. And, and, and you know, we could
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  look at that passage if you want to, but but that's, that's the,
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  that's the story that I tell throughout the two novels.
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  And for those who want to go to learn more, at the end of the
• 22:35
  second novel, I have an appendix where I'd have the biblical
• 22:39
  research behind the abomination of desolation so that it can
• 22:41
  make sense. Because I know that when people
• 22:43
  hear some of these buzzwords like abomination of desolation,
• 22:46
  they've got all these prophetic ideas behind them that they
• 22:49
  assume. And you know, you have to be
• 22:52
  careful, like, wait, wait, let's just go back to the original
• 22:54
  biblical text and it's context and, and understand it from
• 22:58
  there. And that's why I tried to lay
• 23:00
  out at the end of the second novel for those who want to, to
• 23:03
  know more. But that's, that's the, the big
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  story picture of, of what the story I'm telling.
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  And, and the hero is Judah Maccabe.
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  So I, I did forget to mention. So his family rises up, but his
• 23:15
  father dies and he becomes the new general of the army of his
• 23:19
  five brothers, and he's a great warrior, and he leads them to
• 23:24
  this. You know, like I said, it's like
• 23:25
  a Braveheart story. That's when I was writing this.
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  That's the thing that stuck out in my head the most.
• 23:29
  This reminds me a lot of Braveheart.
• 23:31
  So people who love that kind of stuff will love this.
• 23:34
  Yeah, It has all the elements of a wonderful collaboration.
• 23:38
  It's a super relative. I mean, just from listening, I
• 23:41
  didn't get to read either one of these yet, but I'm going to
• 23:44
  invest some time because really zooming out real quick and then
• 23:49
  I want to backtrack. There's a couple other things I
• 23:51
  actually want to go back to and, and and talk about a little bit
• 23:53
  more. But zooming out, you know, we've
• 23:56
  the first time you came home, we talked about the power of
• 23:58
  storytelling and in the Bible is the onset.
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  It is the standard of inculcating the minds right
• 24:06
  throughout every, every genre, every error.
• 24:09
  And so to see you kind of fill some gaps and and to write about
• 24:13
  this period that does not get a lot of attention, at least
• 24:15
  within, you know, the spectrum that I see into Brian and and
• 24:19
  give that, you know, creativity, but but also use the authentic
• 24:23
  source, the word of God, and to use, you know, locations and
• 24:26
  people. And and you know, here's where I
• 24:29
  want to back up though, just because it's not a problem for
• 24:31
  me and and probably not many of my listeners, but it is coming
• 24:36
  out of the Apocrypha. So I do want to backtrack a
• 24:38
  little bit and say, how thoroughly are you dealing with
• 24:41
  this with the Christians that are concerned?
• 24:43
  This is non biblical Canon, right?
• 24:47
  We clarified that in the Catholic Bible and either
• 24:51
  Ethiopian text, the Apocrypha remains legit to them.
• 24:55
  But let's talk about that a little bit more because there
• 24:57
  are some people that are going to fall by the wayside and I
• 25:00
  don't want to lose them. Let's dive into that a little
• 25:03
  bit. Absolutely.
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  And that's, and I have the same concern.
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  That's why I explained in much more detail in that book the
• 25:09
  spiritual world of Ancient Greece.
• 25:11
  But essentially the Apocrypha has a, a very interesting,
• 25:16
  fascinating history and which I bring a little bit of it into my
• 25:21
  novels. And what I mean by that is I'm
• 25:24
  going to speak somewhat imprecisely and then clarify as
• 25:30
  we go on, because there's so many things that that so many
• 25:33
  assumptions and so many different definitions, right?
• 25:36
  So the Apocrypha is different books that the church when they
• 25:43
  were, you know, debating over Canon, what should be in in the
• 25:46
  scriptures or not. The Apocrypha is a term that's
• 25:50
  in reference to a series of books including the Maccabees,
• 25:53
  others like Judith and Tobit and and Ecclesiasticus and some
• 25:57
  other titles. And they were books that tell
• 26:01
  things about Jewish history or, you know, similar to Proverbs or
• 26:04
  something like that and various stories.
• 26:07
  Judith and Tobit are both historical stories of Jewish
• 26:10
  characters and heroes and stuff. But it so the term, you know,
• 26:20
  the term actually means covered, I think, or, or, or something,
• 26:23
  you know, it's kind of like the opposite of apocalypse, which
• 26:25
  uncovers right in, in that, you know, their, their understanding
• 26:29
  was, how can I put it that it was an acknowledgement of the,
• 26:38
  of the debate going on at the time, whether or not they were
• 26:40
  in scriptures, right? And they weren't originally
• 26:42
  considered as such, But then as as people debated and they
• 26:45
  became more. Part of this at the Council of
• 26:47
  Nicaea, where they're determining what the Is that
• 26:51
  what you're referring to? I'm sorry, I don't.
• 26:52
  Think so. I don't know all the details of
• 26:54
  that, but but what interests me is this.
• 26:56
  It's part of their Their originals are in Greek, and the
• 27:02
  Apocrypha is tied to what we call the Septuagint, and the
• 27:07
  Septuagint is the Greek translations of the Old
• 27:11
  Testament. 70 in Greek, if I remember correctly it's the 70.
• 27:17
  It's called the translation of the 70 and the the, you know,
• 27:20
  the legend, which is partially historical.
• 27:22
  Was was that one of the Ptolemies?
• 27:25
  Ptolemy Philadelphus around 28250 BC, something like that.
• 27:31
  He, he was, he was the, the Pharaoh who who again, I
• 27:38
  remember, he's not Egyptian, he's Greek, but he's over, he's
• 27:41
  over the Egypt. But he was the one who
• 27:43
  established the great library of Alexandra, which we've all heard
• 27:47
  of, which was the most amazing library in history, right?
• 27:50
  Well, he wanted to use drunk from all the world's, you know,
• 27:53
  cultures and religions and stuff.
• 27:54
  And he basically hired 72 supposedly, what is it 6 from
• 28:02
  every one of the 12 tribes, 72 scribes to, to translate, right.
• 28:07
  And but originally it was only the Pentateuch, the first five
• 28:11
  books. That's that's the original
• 28:13
  Septuagint. Then over the next 100 years or
• 28:16
  so, they gradually other, you know, translations were added
• 28:20
  from the rest of what we know now is the Old Testament.
• 28:24
  But so this happens about, you know, 80 years before my story.
• 28:34
  And what's so fascinating about the Septuagint is when you use
• 28:38
  the word Septuagint now, it's it's referring to this book that
• 28:42
  we have that is the Greek texts of the Old Testament.
• 28:46
  Sometimes it actually includes the New Testament and it
• 28:49
  includes the Apocrypha. And what's interesting is Jesus
• 28:55
  and the apostles quoted about 80% of their quotes were from
• 29:01
  the Greek texts that we now call Septuagint, and then about 20 or
• 29:08
  less. Some of them were from Masoretic
• 29:10
  Hebrew and some were unknown translations that don't match
• 29:14
  either. So most Christians think about
• 29:17
  the Bible, they think all the original text Hebrew is the
• 29:19
  best, right? Well, what they don't realize is
• 29:22
  that the the Hebrew that the Bible translators are working
• 29:25
  from only goes back to about at best 600AD.
• 29:29
  But the oldest text we have I think is like 1100 AD.
• 29:32
  And that's not bad, but it's the Greek Septuagint or the Greek
• 29:38
  texts go back way earlier, much more closer to the days of
• 29:43
  Nehemiah when they rediscovered the, the word of God in the
• 29:47
  temple, right? And so the, the reason why the
• 29:50
  Septuagint is so important is that yes, it's a Greek
• 29:53
  translation, but it's much closer to the originals and it
• 29:57
  differs a lot in the Masoretic Text.
• 29:59
  And the Masoretic Text is sometimes a worse translation
• 30:03
  and sometimes it's not, but sometimes it is and in very
• 30:08
  significant areas, right? And so, So what Christians need
• 30:11
  to realize is that there's a bias going on even in, in Bible
• 30:15
  translations where they most Bible translations use the
• 30:17
  Hebrew as the base foundation. And then they go to the, you
• 30:22
  know, the Greek or the Septuagint as other expansions
• 30:26
  or references. But the thing was is the Old the
• 30:31
  New Testament apostles and Jesus quoted from the Greek so.
• 30:35
  How many times exactly they're they're quoting directly from
• 30:40
  that? Directly about 80% of the time I
• 30:42
  I don't have the actual numbers. It's OK.
• 30:44
  It's just like fluffing the point, if you will, right?
• 30:47
  I mean, it's right there in front of us.
• 30:49
  Exactly. So I'm not saying that the
• 30:51
  Hebrew text isn't worthy of course, but I'm just saying if
• 30:55
  the Bible, if the apostles in Jesus quote from it and they
• 30:58
  considered it Scripture and the Old Testament juice considered
• 31:00
  it Scripture, right. So that's one element.
• 31:04
  Another element is when we say, but here's the thing, you know,
• 31:08
  and my whole question was, does that mean that the Maccabees and
• 31:11
  the Apocrypha was Scripture then to Jesus and apostles?
• 31:14
  Actually, not necessarily so. And the reason why is because
• 31:17
  what we know of the book of the Septuagint is what we call a
• 31:22
  codex, which is, you know, all these books are bound into one
• 31:25
  book, right? Well, that didn't happen till
• 31:28
  after the fall of Jerusalem in 8070.
• 31:32
  And like in the second into the 2nd century, Christians were the
• 31:35
  ones that did that. So to be fair, Christians were
• 31:38
  the ones that put together the Apocrypha with that.
• 31:42
  But the Jews all up until that time period had never.
• 31:47
  There's no can't, cannot. There's no lists of canonical
• 31:51
  books that the Jews have that include the Apocrypha, and
• 31:56
  nobody had books until that 2nd century.
• 31:59
  So they were only individual scrolls.
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  Therefore, when Jesus and the apostles are quoting from Greek
• 32:04
  translations, they're not quoting from a single book
• 32:07
  called the Septuagint. They're quoting from Greek
• 32:09
  translation scrolls, individual scrolls.
• 32:12
  So, you know, but over time, the word Septuagint just means, you
• 32:16
  know, that that special Greek codex that we have of all the
• 32:20
  books. But it's, it's helpful to know
• 32:22
  the differences. And This is why I personally
• 32:24
  don't accept Apocrypha as being scriptural because it was never
• 32:28
  included and, and, and it was never quoted by the apostles,
• 32:32
  you know, or Jesus. But I'm also also cautious.
• 32:37
  Cautious because there are like 6 or seven other Old Testament
• 32:42
  books that are not quoted by Jesus and the apostles.
• 32:46
  So there's a, there's a Gray area there where I certainly,
• 32:49
  you know, respect people who, who are seeking to, you know,
• 32:53
  know the truth and such. But I accept the, the
• 32:55
  traditional Canon that we have from the church body of Christ,
• 32:58
  you know, but that's a fascinating story, isn't it?
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  You know, but here's here's the coolest thing of all to me, and
• 33:05
  that is that think about this. I was talking about God's
• 33:08
  sovereignly controlling history earlier.
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  Well, if you look at Alexander the Great, right, he was, you
• 33:14
  know, I mean, he was a monster by many definitions because, I
• 33:17
  mean, you know, he conquered the known world more, you know, just
• 33:20
  about more than anybody had. Yeah, like 19 years old.
• 33:23
  Yeah, he's really young. He dies.
• 33:25
  Actually, I think he died at 33, because I remember hearing he
• 33:29
  died at the same age. Jesus, did you know?
• 33:31
  So that was around 300, 323 BC he died.
• 33:36
  But what's cool is this. So he's a tyrant.
• 33:39
  He's a dictator that forces all his conquered territories to
• 33:44
  become Greek. Now he allows them a certain
• 33:47
  amount of autonomy, but as nations.
• 33:49
  But they all have to learn Greek.
• 33:50
  And you know, he names a bunch of cities after himself, like
• 33:53
  Alexandria in Egypt. And and this, this Hellenism,
• 33:58
  Hellenization is what he instituted.
• 34:01
  And then over 100 or a couple 100 years, it became so thorough
• 34:05
  that everyone was saturated in it, right.
• 34:07
  But here's the interesting thing.
• 34:09
  So you could think of all that's colonization and you know,
• 34:12
  that's evil and such. And yeah, it is.
• 34:14
  And it's oppressive, etcetera. But think about it this way.
• 34:18
  Got If that didn't happen, then the gospel could not get out to
• 34:22
  every nation. Why?
• 34:24
  Because the Jews spoke in an obscure language that nobody
• 34:27
  else knew. All their scriptures were just
• 34:29
  in this obscure language. Nobody knows about them.
• 34:32
  And so consequently, by going into Greek, not only the, the,
• 34:36
  the the Jews accepted as Scripture, but that became the
• 34:40
  means by which other people could then read the word of God,
• 34:44
  ultimately to the point where that Koine Greek was the New
• 34:47
  Testament was in that, right. And then that's how they were
• 34:50
  able to spread the gospel to all the nations because they all
• 34:52
  spoke Greek. So they could quote from Greek
• 34:54
  Scriptures and, and, and that, and the Gentiles could read
• 34:58
  Greek Scriptures. So that's an amazing, I call it,
• 35:02
  you know, it's God's providential means of how he
• 35:06
  orchestrates even evil events in history to accomplish his good
• 35:09
  purposes in the end, which is the gospel spreading throughout
• 35:13
  all the earth. It couldn't have done that in
• 35:14
  Hebrew. It just couldn't have, you know.
• 35:16
  So those those are some of the amazing factoids that again, I
• 35:20
  do incorporate the name into my story in, in, in little ways
• 35:22
  that will be very interesting for, for for my readers.
• 35:27
  Yeah, it's really well said. And it's important to kind of
• 35:31
  get to the crux of the issue at times and lay that foundation
• 35:34
  about, you know, the the apocryphal writings and, and
• 35:37
  everybody has a different stance on that.
• 35:38
  And I respect people's opinions as well.
• 35:40
  But I do think it's more than worth the time to look into now
• 35:45
  to what extent people take that. Let each choose his own.
• 35:49
  You know, it's really interesting that you're talking
• 35:51
  about, you know, seen the providential wisdom of God at
• 35:54
  play. It seems to be a temporary, you
• 35:57
  know, failure, probably according to the lips of many
• 36:00
  that lived in that day where where you see the Greek
• 36:03
  language, you know, take over and and you could imagine how
• 36:08
  many Jews would have probably in their hutzpah were probably
• 36:13
  arguing and saying how, you know this, you know, ruthless people,
• 36:17
  you know, these uneducated swine here.
• 36:19
  They are literally advancing through something that belonged
• 36:23
  and was so sacred to them, You know, specifically talking about
• 36:26
  the gospel going out. It's really interesting how God
• 36:29
  does that. And I think we can see that
• 36:31
  template kind of over and over again.
• 36:32
  If you if you learn to kind of look at things the right way,
• 36:35
  you can kind of zoom in and out and just see, you know, glimpses
• 36:39
  of it. Really well said, man.
• 36:42
  So what what's the most unique thing about this time period
• 36:47
  where, you know, kind of go circling back to what you talked
• 36:49
  about in the beginning, We have 400 years between Old New
• 36:52
  Testament of silence, you know, but but this is in declaration
• 36:56
  to the prophets not hearing, right, Not through Ephod, not
• 37:00
  through whispering, not through dream, not through vision all
• 37:03
  the way that the Bible depicts that there's communication
• 37:06
  taking place through the prophets and God at that time.
• 37:08
  But God is speaking in the silence.
• 37:11
  I I do want to come back to the heart of that a little bit.
• 37:13
  And what really was the onset? What what kind of jumped for
• 37:17
  you? Like, yeah, this is the next
• 37:19
  story. This is what I want to capture
• 37:22
  and highlight. Let's dive into that a little
• 37:24
  bit more. Well, I, you know, like I said,
• 37:26
  I for me, the probably the, the, the, the thing that sort of
• 37:30
  struck me, you know, I kind of knew about it, but for some
• 37:33
  reason it didn't strike me till I started pursuing it more
• 37:35
  aggressively was. That's what's interesting for
• 37:37
  me, it's. Connection to Daniel, you know,
• 37:39
  and like, yeah, I heard about that and I knew about it, but
• 37:41
  it's like, oh, but as I look deeper into it, I'm like, Oh no,
• 37:43
  this is really important. And here's the question you have
• 37:46
  to ask yourself. So Daniel, you know, Dale 11 is
• 37:51
  is a classic is one of the classic passages about that.
• 37:55
  I'm going to, I'm going to go there.
• 37:58
  So it's been one of the most confusing passages for me.
• 38:02
  I, I, it's, you know, king of the North and king of the S,
• 38:04
  king of the north, king of the South.
• 38:06
  And he does this and he does that.
• 38:07
  Who's who's he, what, which one are they talking about?
• 38:09
  It's very confusing, right? Yeah.
• 38:13
  But in the midst of that and, and a lot of it is quick and
• 38:16
  brief, but scholars will tell you, will step you through
• 38:19
  history and show you that it's basically chronicling the six
• 38:23
  Syrian wars and that that was between within the Greek
• 38:27
  Kingdom. Well, why, what's the point?
• 38:29
  And, and some of them it's, it's sort of like he just does this
• 38:33
  king does that, then this king does that.
• 38:35
  What's the point? Well, he ultimately gets to gets
• 38:38
  to the climax of that passage, which is this, this detestable
• 38:43
  one. It's called a contemptible
• 38:45
  person in Daniel 1121 or a vile or despicable person.
• 38:50
  Different translations call them differently, right?
• 38:53
  But to whom royal majesty has not been given, which means he
• 38:57
  steals it. And that's exactly what
• 38:58
  Antiochus Epiphanes does. And so most most Christians do
• 39:03
  believe that this passage is a reference to Antiochus
• 39:05
  Epiphanes, even if they have all different prophetic scenarios in
• 39:10
  their minds. But it, it goes on extended
• 39:14
  several paragraphs that talks about how all this stuff I was
• 39:17
  telling you it, it, it depicts that right.
• 39:20
  And including the abomination of desolation and stopping the
• 39:23
  morning, evening, morning sacrifices and, and, and how the
• 39:29
  the Romans actually stopped him from trying to conquer Egypt.
• 39:33
  All that stuff is in there. So what's the point?
• 39:36
  Well, if you remember, and This is why, like this is one of the
• 39:42
  things that really made me most fascinated about the story.
• 39:46
  So if you understand Daniel, again, I know that it's
• 39:49
  different prophecy, beliefs and people have.
• 39:52
  But if you look at Daniel from the big picture, Daniel very
• 39:55
  clearly repeatedly has visions about four kingdoms, you know,
• 40:00
  that will rule over Israel. And Daniel, remember, is in the
• 40:05
  exile. And so the point is they go into
• 40:09
  Jews go into exile because. Of their idolatry of not
• 40:12
  worshipping Yahweh, etcetera. For those Jeremiah says for 70
• 40:16
  years, you know, so God comes and, and, and has them, many of
• 40:20
  them killed and taken into exile in the Babylon and destroys the
• 40:23
  temple in 586 BC. And this is a major judgement,
• 40:28
  right to, to have his temple destroyed.
• 40:30
  God is saying I'm going to destroy this temple through the
• 40:32
  Babylonians because of your disobedience.
• 40:34
  That's really significant, isn't it?
• 40:36
  Because if the temple is the incarnation of the covenant
• 40:40
  between his people, that's dead serious, right?
• 40:43
  So, but then Daniel comes along and he has, you know, we, we
• 40:47
  hear the, the vision of the statue with the four medals.
• 40:49
  We see the four beasts coming out of the sea.
• 40:52
  You have the goat in the ram. And all of them are talking
• 40:54
  about these 4 kingdoms that will now rule over Israel, right?
• 41:00
  Why? Well, who are the four kingdoms
• 41:03
  in the statue? You, you get them Babylon, which
• 41:05
  is Nebuchadnezzar, Medo, Persia, which begins with Darius and
• 41:10
  Cyrus, then the Greeks, which is Alexander the Great, and then
• 41:15
  ultimately Rome. And then it talks about how you
• 41:19
  know in Daniel 2 how the stone cut without hands.
• 41:21
  And who's that? Well, that's Jesus or that's the
• 41:23
  Kingdom of God. All these Greek, Greek, all
• 41:27
  these Gentile kingdoms are going to be ruling over Israel because
• 41:31
  of her disobedience. And even though God's going to
• 41:33
  bring her back from from the promised land and help her
• 41:36
  rebuild the temple, they're still, they're still not obeying
• 41:39
  him fully. And so God says I am going to
• 41:43
  you are going to be under this oppression for 490 years.
• 41:48
  Daniel 9 talks about this prophecy of the 70 sevens or the
• 41:51
  70 weeks of years, which is the prophecy that every Christian
• 41:55
  knows you know about the coming of Messiah was the most explicit
• 41:59
  direct prophecy of the Messiah exactly when he was going to
• 42:03
  come and he came exact that right that exact same time,
• 42:06
  right. So Daniel saying that Messiah
• 42:09
  will come to free us. But until then, for 400 years,
• 42:13
  you're going to be under the successive Gentile kingdoms of
• 42:17
  oppression, and they're defined as monsters and beasts and all
• 42:20
  this kind of stuff, right? So, so that's the repetitive
• 42:25
  nature. So when you get to the
• 42:26
  second-half of Daniel and you've got these these other
• 42:30
  prophecies, you realize he's simply expanding on the prior
• 42:34
  kingdoms that he talked about the Medes and the Persians and
• 42:37
  then the Greek Kingdom and ultimately the Roman Kingdom.
• 42:40
  And so this Daniel 11 is the focus on the Greek Kingdom.
• 42:45
  And the reason why there's an excessive focus on the Greek
• 42:48
  Kingdom, I think is because of this temple, this abomination of
• 42:52
  desolation, which would also become, you know, a, the term
• 42:57
  for what would happen after Jesus's day.
• 43:00
  And so, but because it's the, it's the desecration and
• 43:05
  desolation of God's temple that is so important spiritually.
• 43:09
  So you have to remember that, you know, history in the Bible
• 43:12
  is history related to God's people.
• 43:15
  So if they're talking about all these Gentile kingdoms, it's not
• 43:18
  just be arbitrary God's, I'm going to tell the future of, of
• 43:22
  the world. No, he's telling the future of
• 43:25
  kingdoms that are relevant to Jewish history because he's
• 43:29
  going to use them to chastise his people, right?
• 43:32
  And so that's why he, he, you know, goes through these various
• 43:35
  kings and what they're going to do.
• 43:36
  And then boom, he focuses on this Antiochus Epiphanes for
• 43:40
  like 2 or 3 paragraphs. And that's a climax before it
• 43:43
  becomes a turning point into the next Kingdom, which is Rome.
• 43:47
  And so all that stuff is so fascinating to me.
• 43:52
  And thus, you know, I have a character in my novel, his name
• 43:55
  is Eliezer. And he is based on a real
• 43:58
  character in the books of Maccabees who was a 90 year old
• 44:02
  scribe who was martyred. And they tell that his story in
• 44:06
  the books of the Maccabees. And I have him sort of as a, you
• 44:10
  know, as my, he's a scribes, right?
• 44:13
  So he knows the scriptures and he's the one who knows the books
• 44:15
  of Daniel. So he's the one who sort of
• 44:17
  educates us as they're going through, oh, yeah, this is what
• 44:20
  Daniel prophesied. This is what Daniel prophesied.
• 44:22
  This is what it means, you know, that kind of a thing.
• 44:23
  So it's a whatever a, a trope to be able to explain that how
• 44:30
  prophecy is fulfilled. And that was probably one of the
• 44:33
  most exciting things for me. It became I realized it was more
• 44:36
  connected to the Bible than I originally had thought, let's
• 44:38
  put it that way. I kind of took a bit of a
• 44:41
  journey there with you and there's a couple highlights that
• 44:43
  you were sharing where it's like you find treasure in the void
• 44:47
  and you're like, wow, this is kind of uncharted territory.
• 44:50
  It's like the great unknown, even being a little facetious
• 44:53
  there, but but in a nutshell, there's it's not beaten up
• 44:57
  territory within the realms of at least what I do and and hear
• 45:01
  about them. I'm sure that there's other
• 45:03
  nerds out there that have looked into it extensively.
• 45:06
  Sure, I say that politely, like. But same here, you know, Yeah,
• 45:10
  Evangelical. I'm, I, I'm basically in the
• 45:11
  evangelical crowd, you know, I have my, I have my tradition,
• 45:15
  but it's like, you know, yeah. And basic evangelicals don't
• 45:19
  really can. In fact, I think they're they're
• 45:21
  impoverished in terms of educationally.
• 45:24
  Yeah, but. Impoverished in these areas,
• 45:27
  right? But I don't want to be too
• 45:28
  general though, because there's a many, many Christians who, and
• 45:31
  Protestants and evangelicals who love this and, and they don't
• 45:35
  have a problem with it. But there are still a
• 45:37
  significant amount of them that I get responses from where it's
• 45:39
  like, that's not in the Bible, That's heresy, That's blasphemy.
• 45:42
  And they just, you know, it's so sad to me because they just
• 45:45
  don't, they're ignorant. They literally don't know what
• 45:48
  the word of God is actually telling them.
• 45:49
  And, and they're ignorant of this sort of like, if it's not
• 45:53
  in the Bible, it's not true, which is like ridiculous.
• 45:56
  If you just stop and think about that for a second, you know?
• 45:59
  So we're finding that even through, you know, the creative
• 46:02
  end of things, being able to present content like what you've
• 46:05
  done, it kind of covers that chasm a little bit.
• 46:07
  And it even helps reframe work on the framework of people,
• 46:12
  right? So you have people that they're
• 46:13
  not, you're not saying this is biblical and you have to come
• 46:16
  into agreement with this and this will be unrolled in your
• 46:19
  future seminary. No, this is eclectic or, or how
• 46:24
  would I even say this is unique, right?
• 46:26
  This is very cool what you've done here, but but it helps with
• 46:29
  the framework for people that are kind of looking for
• 46:32
  something more and they want to fill the void they don't want.
• 46:36
  I see exactly what's going on here.
• 46:38
  You know, you're writing and in talking about the fulfillment of
• 46:42
  Daniel's prophecy, but but this goes two ways right there, the
• 46:46
  past one and then the future one.
• 46:48
  And does this fall succinctly in with the idea of prophecy being
• 46:51
  circumvented, right. Like it's it's meant to happen
• 46:55
  throughout the ages until the final climax.
• 46:59
  That's a little bit messy, but what do you do with that, Brian?
• 47:01
  Yeah, well, to be fair that that's not it doesn't that issue
• 47:06
  is not a part of this novel. But I do know because of because
• 47:10
  of the term abomination desolation.
• 47:12
  I do know that it it it's connected to something that
• 47:15
  people are interested in. It's just beyond the novel,
• 47:20
  right. And so that's one of the reason
• 47:21
  why I wrote, you know, the companion book to go into a
• 47:24
  little bit more that. So I do explain my view on that.
• 47:28
  But the important thing is, is, is to realize first that
• 47:33
  Scripture, you know, there are different views about prophecy
• 47:36
  and, and how, how to look at that.
• 47:38
  And many people say, Oh yeah, you know, the, the abomination
• 47:40
  of desolation that Jesus says, you know, in, in Matthew 24,
• 47:45
  right? When you see the abomination of
• 47:47
  desolation fleet of the mountains, right?
• 47:51
  You know, what is that? Isn't that what?
• 47:54
  And what he said, what Daniel, when you see abomination of
• 47:56
  desolation that Daniel spoke of, right?
• 47:59
  And people say, well, oh, but if they look, go back and they see
• 48:02
  Daniel and they see that, Oh yeah.
• 48:04
  You know, the, the abomination of desolation applies to
• 48:06
  Antigen's epiphanes. Therefore, it's got multiple
• 48:11
  fulfillments or double fulfillments or repetitive
• 48:13
  fulfillments through history or something like that.
• 48:15
  And I don't think that's the case because I, I think there
• 48:19
  are literally 2 exact abominations that Daniel's
• 48:22
  talking about. And the reason why is, I mean,
• 48:24
  there's a couple of components to it.
• 48:26
  The the most obvious ones to me are the the the one that
• 48:31
  Antiochus Epiphany fulfills speaks very clearly in Daniel 8
• 48:40
  or Daniel 11 31. He will set up the abomination
• 48:45
  that makes desolate right? And then I'm sorry, go back to
• 48:49
  Daniel 8 talking about the same 1 Daniel 8 and he's called the
• 48:57
  little horn. Antioch's Epiphanes called this
• 48:59
  little horn that grows out of the four horns.
• 49:01
  Remember the you said the four Greek kingdoms that came out of
• 49:04
  Alexander. That's what the four horns are.
• 49:06
  And he's a little horn, meaning he's one of the horns out of the
• 49:11
  out of the Seleucids, which is one of the four, right?
• 49:14
  That's Antiochus Epiphanes. But in eight, 812, it says a
• 49:19
  host will be given over to this little horn who's Antigus with
• 49:23
  the regular burnt offering because of transgression.
• 49:26
  And I'm sorry, it says some of the hosts of the stars are
• 49:35
  thrown down, trampled by them. Oh, here, I'm sorry, verse 11
• 49:39
  the regular burnt offing offering was taken away from him
• 49:42
  and the place of his sanctuary was overthrown.
• 49:45
  So the sanctuary, which is the temple, right And the burnt
• 49:48
  offerings now in in Daniel, that's Daniel 8.
• 49:55
  And then Daniel 11 talks about this abomination of desolation
• 50:01
  again and it says there it is and he fights against the people
• 50:07
  of God, etcetera. But the abomination of
• 50:10
  desolation in Daniel 9, which is the classic Daniel 924 through
• 50:17
  27, I think, or something like that, talks about the one who
• 50:21
  comes on the wing of abominations and who makes
• 50:24
  desolate. So that's the same concept,
• 50:27
  right? But the idea here is that this
• 50:29
  one actually doesn't just make the temple desolate it he
• 50:34
  destroys the city and the temple.
• 50:37
  So in Daniel 926, it says the Prince was to come people the
• 50:43
  Prince was to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
• 50:47
  Antiochus did not destroy the city in the sanctuary, right?
• 50:51
  So this is a different abomination of desolation,
• 50:54
  completely different. And not only that, but the
• 50:56
  amount of days that it says it will be desolate is different.
• 51:00
  In Daniel 12, the the the future one that Jesus talks about,
• 51:06
  talks about the abomination, the regular burnt offering taken
• 51:10
  away in Daniel 1211 and the abomination of desolation.
• 51:15
  There shall be 1290 days, 12190 days.
• 51:19
  But in Daniel 8, it actually says like there's another time
• 51:27
  frame, like 20320330I can't find it right now.
• 51:32
  OK, I'll your Bible nerds you, you know where that pad where
• 51:34
  that is? Umm.
• 51:38
  They're they're flipping through the pages with us.
• 51:40
  Daniel 814, he said to me for 2300 evenings and mornings, the
• 51:45
  sanctuary shall be be restored to its rightful state.
• 51:48
  So two different time periods, 22 did one's desolation and one
• 51:53
  is destruction and desolation. So they're clearly two different
• 51:57
  ones. It's not a multiple fulfillment
• 51:59
  issue, right? And then I explain in my books,
• 52:02
  you know, why the multiple fulfillment theory can't work,
• 52:06
  but it's OK. You know what, whatever you,
• 52:08
  whatever you're thinking is fine.
• 52:10
  I, I agree that Jesus talks about and, and a a different
• 52:14
  abomination of desolation. Then the question becomes, well,
• 52:17
  when does that occur? Right?
• 52:18
  And that's where I become more controversial.
• 52:21
  And I suggest that the abomination of desolation Jesus
• 52:24
  talking about was Titus, the Roman emperor, Co emperor who
• 52:32
  destroys the temple and the city like Daniel 9 says in AD 70.
• 52:37
  And that he's brings the abomination desolation.
• 52:39
  The you know, the as the, the, the representative of Caesar at
• 52:46
  the time, he brought in the standards of Caesar to that
• 52:51
  temple. And those standards were
• 52:52
  idolatrous. They were images of Caesar who
• 52:55
  claimed to be a God. So, so that's what I argue for,
• 52:58
  which of course, you know, there'll be many Christians go
• 53:00
  no, what, no, that's still going to be in our future.
• 53:03
  And that's fine. You know, we could have those
• 53:05
  debates, but I at least explain how historically I believe that
• 53:10
  really was fulfilled. And that's like I say, that's
• 53:13
  goes beyond what the text is. I just do that for fun because
• 53:17
  because I know that it's it's a big issue and I like to
• 53:20
  sometimes delve into those big issues.
• 53:22
  Yeah. And I think you're doing it in a
• 53:24
  way that you're not trying to push the envelope and and sell
• 53:27
  it to you have to agree to every extent.
• 53:31
  And I think that's wise, right? Exactly.
• 53:33
  And you can appreciate this novel without having to believe
• 53:36
  in that, you know? Yeah.
• 53:38
  Well, so it's it could technically be a stand alone
• 53:42
  right in the series. How do you consider that?
• 53:45
  I mean where Where do you place it in?
• 53:47
  Well, here's the thing. Let's talk.
• 53:48
  About the flow of it, a little. Bit it could definitely be read
• 53:51
  as a stand alone novel. However, Chronicles of the
• 53:55
  Watchers is a series of books that is actually interwoven and
• 53:59
  integrated with Chronicles of the Nepheline, which is my
• 54:02
  previous eight book series that chronicles stories in the Bible
• 54:08
  about giants and watchers. Noah, primeval, Enoch,
• 54:12
  primordial Abraham, Allegiant, David ascended all the way up to
• 54:17
  Jesus triumphant. And I'm retelling with this
• 54:19
  supernatural paradigm of the watchers and the spiritual
• 54:23
  warfare, all that stuff like you've never seen it before.
• 54:26
  Again, all biblically consistent.
• 54:28
  But here's the thing. When I finished that series, I
• 54:30
  realized I have there's still more stories to tell and I kind
• 54:34
  of skipped over like I skipped over Moses.
• 54:36
  I don't know why I in, in Chronicles of Nephilim, I tell
• 54:39
  Joshua and Caleb's story because the giants in the land, right?
• 54:44
  But I realized there's a lot to tell about Moses in Egypt, about
• 54:47
  spiritual warfare. So I started Chronicles of the
• 54:50
  Watchers to sort of fill in the holes of Chronicles of the
• 54:53
  Nepheline. So technically, you know, if you
• 54:56
  go to my website, you can find like, what's the actual
• 54:58
  chronological order to read all the books?
• 55:00
  There is a, there is a connective tissue between them
• 55:04
  and it's this supernatural realm.
• 55:06
  You've got the same 6 guardian archangels throughout the whole
• 55:13
  series. You've got similar monsters.
• 55:16
  You've got the gods of the nations, these fallen angels.
• 55:21
  They are, you know, they're immortal beings.
• 55:23
  So they are they are consistent throughout the series.
• 55:26
  The Divine Council, right? And it's.
• 55:28
  It's. Absolutely.
• 55:29
  Phenomenal. Yeah.
• 55:30
  So there's that that sense of of of it.
• 55:32
  You can get more out of it if you do read the series, but if
• 55:35
  you're really interested in one of I've had people read David
• 55:38
  Ascendant first because they just love the David story and my
• 55:41
  David story is completely unlike anything you've read anywhere
• 55:44
  else, right? Yeah, I do have Goliath in
• 55:46
  there. I don't tell a story of
• 55:48
  Bathsheba that I end my story before that.
• 55:51
  I tell everything before that, but I tell the story of David.
• 55:55
  You know what people don't realize is that there are
• 55:57
  passages in Chronicles and Samuel the books of Chronicles
• 56:01
  and Samuels that talks about 5 different other giants who were
• 56:05
  hunting David trying to kill him in the.
• 56:08
  Bastion of Bob, right? Second statement 21.
• 56:11
  And he has a new sword, and he's seen it fit within himself to
• 56:15
  try to slay David, and almost does.
• 56:17
  Yes. Yes, this is my lingo.
• 56:19
  I'm I'm continually go back there.
• 56:21
  Sorry, I didn't mean to jump up y'all.
• 56:22
  That's what you got me excited. So that's what my story tells is
• 56:25
  I tell the story of those 5 giants who are actually
• 56:30
  warriors. They're part of a warrior cult
• 56:32
  called the Yalid Harafa. That's, that's translated in
• 56:37
  Bibles as descendants of the giants.
• 56:39
  So you'll see that yes, in some Bible verses, but it actually is
• 56:43
  not quite, that's not quite what it it's connected to giants, the
• 56:47
  criminal. Yeah, we're literally talking
• 56:48
  about their their specialty is warfare proven and they have
• 56:52
  reputations. Yeah, it's.
• 56:53
  So I, I, I create them as an assassin cult and they're going
• 56:57
  after David. And so I tell the story of those
• 57:00
  five attempted assassinations of him and how David mighty men
• 57:03
  kill them or, or what have you. So those are the kind of stories
• 57:07
  that that I'm telling. And, and people can jump in at
• 57:10
  any character of the Bible novel of the Bible that they love
• 57:13
  best. That's fine.
• 57:15
  But I think you will find that if you do that with that one
• 57:17
  book, you'll say, OK, I'm going to go back and start from book
• 57:21
  1. Because if you love it that
• 57:23
  much, that's what most people do is they, they end up reading the
• 57:26
  whole series because once if, if you like it, if you're hooked,
• 57:30
  you, you want to read all of them.
• 57:32
  So start with Juda Maccabee. If this interests you, for sure,
• 57:35
  you, you're not going to miss out on anything.
• 57:37
  But then if you really like it, you'll go, OK, I'm going to go
• 57:39
  back to the beginning and start from there.
• 57:41
  How do we get this made into movies?
• 57:45
  To a series, I mean. You.
• 57:47
  Know, looking at what you've done over your career and then
• 57:51
  you know, through through the writing process and and just,
• 57:54
  you've sharpened on some of the greats out there, right Doctor
• 57:57
  Michael Heizer and just many others.
• 57:59
  And you're bringing this fresh perspective that really, I think
• 58:03
  brings the wild heart out of man.
• 58:05
  I think it, it's a it's a way to build excitement and to find
• 58:10
  climax and it speaks to even everyday life if for people that
• 58:14
  aren't living with their head in the sand.
• 58:17
  It's multi layered, you know, and there's a lot that goes into
• 58:20
  it. So do you see any future vision?
• 58:23
  Like can this be made into movies and.
• 58:25
  No if I could. Would anybody do justice?
• 58:28
  What needs? To happen here.
• 58:30
  Brian Well, I tell people basically that it's too biblical
• 58:33
  for Hollywood and it's too expensive and too imaginative,
• 58:39
  too creative for Christian producers because, you know,
• 58:43
  we're talking like the movies would.
• 58:45
  It would have to be over $100 million.
• 58:47
  And it's, you know, Christian movies can't raise that kind of
• 58:49
  money right now. You know they're getting better.
• 58:51
  Of course you know. I think there's a future for it.
• 58:54
  In my opinion. I think that we're in that
• 58:56
  trajectory where it's like the new bad boy to be a Christian.
• 58:59
  It's cool now. Six years ago it was like, get
• 59:02
  out of here with that. And now all of a sudden the
• 59:03
  craziest people have I've talked with over the year.
• 59:06
  It's just especially within the last year, it's cool now.
• 59:10
  So do you think that there could be a future with the right
• 59:13
  people, the right collaborations, the right
• 59:15
  funding? Do you think even we could take
• 59:18
  a swing at doing something? Well, I've often thought maybe
• 59:21
  as animation, like an anime series or something like that,
• 59:24
  because that would be a little bit more affordable, but and you
• 59:27
  could do the wild supernatural stuff a little bit easier maybe.
• 59:30
  Or even comics would you ever consider getting?
• 59:32
  Just Oh yeah, I would love to do that.
• 59:34
  But the problem is is, you know, most comic book artists do their
• 59:38
  own books because it takes like, you know, who knows, like 6
• 59:42
  months or more just to put out one comic.
• 59:44
  So they have to dedicate so much time and drawing that they want
• 59:48
  to, you know, they want to own the IP, the intellectual
• 59:51
  property. And I don't blame them, but I've
• 59:53
  tried to talk to them. But like most of them or, or
• 59:56
  they're gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna want to ask for a
• 59:58
  lot of money and all like $30,000 or whatever to, to draw
• 1:00:01
  it. And again, they're worth their
• 1:00:04
  money because it's a lot of work to illustrate graphic novels.
• 1:00:08
  It really is. And I know that because I've
• 1:00:09
  been an artist. For an AI does all my life
• 1:00:12
  justice to be honest with the UI yeah I mean they're they're
• 1:00:15
  getting better it's. Getting a lot better though.
• 1:00:17
  Yeah, I know it definitely is, but.
• 1:00:19
  Four years ago, it's significantly better.
• 1:00:21
  So I mean, that's something to consider too, but.
• 1:00:22
  Yeah. So I've all I've always been
• 1:00:24
  open to it, but it's not very likely because like I say, most
• 1:00:28
  artists are want to do their own thing.
• 1:00:31
  So unless you got the big money to pay for it, which I don't.
• 1:00:34
  But I have done one thing that with AI that's been really cool
• 1:00:39
  and that is I have cast all my novels characters.
• 1:00:43
  So if you go on my website for free, that's cool.
• 1:00:46
  You can pick any one of my books and go to a tab that says cast
• 1:00:50
  of characters. And I give images of almost all
• 1:00:54
  the characters in the novel done through AI professionally by a
• 1:00:58
  friend of mine, Cam Harless, who's brilliant at it.
• 1:01:02
  And we worked on this so that they would look like the way I
• 1:01:05
  want them to look, right? So it I could, I never came near
• 1:01:08
  that years ago, but AI allows us to really create some amazing
• 1:01:14
  pictures and a lot of people have found it very helpful for
• 1:01:17
  them as they're reading the book.
• 1:01:19
  So much so that I put them all together in a book too.
• 1:01:21
  If you want to have it in a hardcover book colored pictures
• 1:01:24
  as you read, you can. You can buy that on Amazon as
• 1:01:26
  well. Yeah, I think that speaks
• 1:01:29
  volumes, you know, having that there.
• 1:01:33
  There's such a lack Brian of the visual content that really
• 1:01:37
  follows closely, you know, with with the biblical narrative.
• 1:01:42
  And then on top of that, a movie wise, there's just such a
• 1:01:45
  deficit for good visual content like audio through the roof,
• 1:01:50
  Like it's it's been there all the way back since future quake
• 1:01:54
  till present day and everybody in between.
• 1:01:57
  Like we audio off the hook, right?
• 1:01:59
  Yeah. Do you want the video stuff,
• 1:02:01
  man? Like they're begging me to do
• 1:02:02
  video content even for the podcast.
• 1:02:04
  I'm like. I know, I know.
• 1:02:05
  It's an audio podcast. Like every five episodes I'll do
• 1:02:08
  1 video. Yeah, but for some reason it's
• 1:02:11
  in, so you got to. Try to it freaks me out like
• 1:02:14
  people want people want video for podcasts.
• 1:02:17
  I I. They want to see my face in your
• 1:02:20
  it's. Weird, but it really it's true.
• 1:02:22
  It really is true. It is.
• 1:02:23
  You need to be doing the video, both video and audio for
• 1:02:26
  everybody. But but here's the thing about
• 1:02:28
  that. You know, I know that AAI and
• 1:02:34
  connected with special effects, right, It could be a way lot
• 1:02:39
  cheaper than it ever used to be, you know, and you could do this
• 1:02:42
  like they did 300 where it's like all green screen if you
• 1:02:45
  want, right, So that in that sense that's feasible, but it's
• 1:02:50
  still going to take a lot of money and I just don't know of
• 1:02:52
  anybody who would. The problem is too like
• 1:02:54
  Christians are, are a little Christians normal, like
• 1:03:00
  Christian producers and with people with money, They're, they
• 1:03:05
  don't tend to have the imagination and they don't get
• 1:03:07
  this theology to them. It's scary and frightful.
• 1:03:10
  It's like, wait a minute, that's not in the Bible.
• 1:03:12
  I don't understand that, you know, and quite frankly, that's,
• 1:03:15
  that's a big problem. They don't, the theology
• 1:03:18
  frightens them. It scares them because they're,
• 1:03:20
  it's not, they're not familiar with it and they only know the
• 1:03:23
  typical traditional Christian stuff, you know, and if they're
• 1:03:25
  going to make a movie, you know, they have to have a Christian or
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  they have to have someone praying in a church with a
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  pastor to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
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  You know, they have to have these, these tropes in their in
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  their movies, they think to make the.
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  Christians starting to to break down a little bit like.
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  It is. Yeah, it is.
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  Sure. The denominational preferences
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  that that go back to these founding roots of this strict
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  kind of, you know, the old school imagery, it's slowly
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  softening. Now it's only, we've only been
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  I'd say in the last 10 years, I can see a dramatic increase and
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  the last two years like just through through the roof, right.
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  But it might take another 10 or 20 years to inculcate the
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  population, the general consensus into a space where
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  they want to actually know during their little, you know,
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  Christmas story. That wasn't really a star or a
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  plasma ball that was leading, you know, the wise men like, you
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  know, twinkle, twinkle little star.
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  How I wonder what you are like. When are people actually going
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  to get through, you know, that facade or that that secular
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  sacred divide and get to the heart of it.
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  And, and I'm seeing that, but it's a, it's curbing closer to
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  this divine council worldview and the reality that if it's
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  strange, it's important all the greats have given these original
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  quotes, right? But to but to be fair, I think
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  that that OK to be balanced, I would say that the people with
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  money and power are usually more conservative and traditional in,
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  in the sense that they don't want to take risks and step out,
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  you know, that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah.
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  And, and those are the ones that I've dealt with in making movies
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  and stuff like that. And, and I just know that I know
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  that world, but to be fair and balanced, you know, the fringe
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  world is, let's just call it fringe, the Nephilim and the
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  Giants. You know, it's, it is a growing
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  popular phenomenon. And, and I mean, I can say that
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  because my books have been selling monstrously well.
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  So I can't criticize, you know, all Christians generically,
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  right? Because exactly many of them
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  really do like this stuff. So you're right in that sense
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  that there's an audience for it. The problem is, is it's not
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  always this. It's hard to get the, the, the,
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  the, the, the money people and, and that world, the business
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  side of the world in on it because they're often 10 years
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  behind the ball. Right.
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  Yeah, yeah, you're so it's been but.
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  You know, there is more. There's definitely a massive
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  interest in my books, you know, so.
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  Absolutely. Yeah.
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  Well, let's kind of wind down a little bit.
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  I'm going to ask you to, you know, just kind of do a recap.
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  You know, if if you were to give your elevator pitch on, you
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  know, the Chronicles of Watcher series and then and then this
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  Judas Maccabee novels right here, Let's just tie any loose
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  ends, give an overview, and then I want you to end it with a word
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  of encouragement. OK, well, you know what, there's
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  one thing that I, I didn't address that much, and I think
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  it is kind of it wraps it up in a, in a way.
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  And that is the spiritual warfare motif that that I draw
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  from. Now, most people with spiritual
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  warfare are familiar with, you know, in terms of fiction
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  novels, they'll be, oh, Frank Peretti and, and, and some
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  other, maybe some other novelists, Ted Decker or
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  something, I don't know. But for sure Frank Peretti and
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  that, and this is so much beyond that.
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  This is a much bigger picture than than that sort of demons of
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  lust and demons of, you know, gluttony and all this kind of
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  stuff. The divine council is a much
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  bigger picture than that. And in that sense, it's more
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  epic. But one of the things that I
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  bring into, you know, that I said is in in each of the
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  stories is this spiritual warfare motif and these
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  watchers. And of course, the Bible tells
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  us a little bit about that, but not a lot.
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  And so necessarily it's speculative.
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  And my whole premise was if it's true that there are these
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  principalities and powers over nations like the Bible says, and
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  they've and they're fallen watchers right there because,
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  you know, they're the gentile nations aren't worshipping
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  Yahweh, right? And in Psalm 82 talks about
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  these these principalities and how they're going to be punished
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  because they don't rule justly. OK, So I told myself the whole
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  at the very beginning of Chronicles of Nephilim years and
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  decades ago, a decade ago, I said, OK, what if, you know, I
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  said, all right, we've got these powers over Gentile nations.
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  And I said the Bible says that. Not only that, but in
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  Deuteronomy 3217, I think it is Moses says that the false gods
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  of Canaan are demons. He says they, they worshipped,
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  you know, Israelites came and worshipped the false gods who
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  are not God but we're demons. And so that made me go, well,
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  those are real entities. So I thought, what if the gods
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  of the ancient world, Bale and Asherah in Canaan, Zeus and
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  Apollo in Greece, Horus and RA in Egypt, what if they were
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  actually demonic entities who are masquerading as these gods
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  of the nation nations. And that's where they get these
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  mythologies from, right? And they help craft the stories
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  and, you know, the demonic influence.
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  And so in a sense, those gods over the nations are actually
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  these fallen watchers. And that was the creative.
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  That's the thing that would scare many, some Christians,
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  let's say. But I, you know, it was
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  consistent with the Bible, though, you know, we don't
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  really know what this looks like.
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  And, and, and so it's necessarily somewhat
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  speculative, but, but it's consistent with the Bible.
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  And, and that's, that's what all these stories have.
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  So in the Judah novel, for example, when I've got the Greek
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  Kingdom of, of the Seleucids in northern Syria coming in and
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  controlling that area, but they're kicked out of Macedonia
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  by the Romans, right? So I have the gods, the watchers
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  who are called Zeus and Hera and Apollo.
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  Those are gods that now are in Israel because they're over the
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  Seleucid Kingdom, right? They're the, the, the powers
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  over that Kingdom. Down in Egypt, I have watchers
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  who are named Horus and such, and they're these gods who are
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  fallen watchers who are over the Egyptians.
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  And so when when Antiochus brings his army down, there's a
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  confrontation between the gods as well.
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  And I have them facing off between each other.
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  So if you see how that makes sense, where it's depicting the
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  historical stuff, connecting it to what's going on spiritually,
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  supernaturally. And so, and, and one other
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  element is I like to try to bring in the, the Pagan
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  mythology of these various gods. I like to bring them in and
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  weave it into the storyline of the supernatural.
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  What's going on in the supernatural.
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  So you got Heracles and you know, in, in Greek myth, Hera is
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  jealous of, of Zeus because he's a philanderer with both humans
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  and gods and goddesses, right? And so in my story, it's the
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  same things happening. Zeus is philandering around and
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  Harrah's jealous of him and it causes her to try to undermine
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  him, right? So I have these these various
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  principalities and powers, and they're vying for power over
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  each other. Because think about it, evil
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  beings have a plan and they can work together.
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  But if you look at the mafia, if you look at gangs, what do they
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  do? They jockey for power within
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  their gangs. They they'll take down 1A and
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  another one will rise. And so I have the same scenario
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  in the storylines of these watchers, these fallen angels
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  and connect it to the ancient mythology as well.
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  So when you read my stories, you're going to learn about the
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  Pagan mythology and about history and about the Bible and,
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  and how it all integrates and ultimately is in submission to
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  Yahweh, the God of the scriptures.
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  You know, and that's my goal. That's the that's my that's my
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  imaginative goal. You know, I want to be
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  imaginative and creative, but all all of all of Narnia is
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  under the subjection of Aslan. If we love and use an analogy,
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  right? Yeah.
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  My goal is, is is that and, and people have responded to me,
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  sent me a lot of emails that my goal is to excite you with a
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  fresh vision of the scriptures, not something false, not
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  something new. It's an ancient world view.
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  By reading, I'm trying to help people to see and read the
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  scriptures through the eyes of the ancient world, not our
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  modern world. And by doing so it, it should
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  give you an excitement and a hunger to go back and reread the
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  the biblical text with this a new ancient context
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  understanding. And that's my goal for doing it.
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  And a lot of it's helped a lot of people do so.
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  So hopefully it will do that. It turns you back to the Bible
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  and gives you a fresh appreciation for it.
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  That's what I hope it will do. It's done it for many people.
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  You can get you can find out more information about me on
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  gadawa.com. My name GODAW a.com.
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  Like I said, I've got all the character pictures there.
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  You can find out about the novels.
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  But you know what? It's, it's a great website.
• 1:12:35
  It's very interesting and such. But you can just go straight to
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  Amazon because I have all the information about my books
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  there. Find my author's page or
• 1:12:42
  whatever and it describes all the series and, and how all the
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  books, what all the books are about.
• 1:12:48
  All my books are exclusively on Amazon, but they're in Kindle
• 1:12:52
  and they're in paperback, hardcover and audiobook.
• 1:12:56
  So I try to make them available in every format possible for
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  people, as well as large print editions as well.
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  So you you could buy it all there.
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  And yeah, so there it is. And I'm going to ask you guys to
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  share this one far and wide. Share this with your friends,
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  family members, Co workers. Share this with your pastor
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  God bless and goodbye. I came from the sun, but one of
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  you straight from the You really owe me.
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  All of my life I was beating up. All in my life I didn't handle.
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  All in my life I was stuck in on track.
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  All in my life I didn't handle. I didn't know why my life was so
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  wet. I didn't know.
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  So while my life was a wreck, I didn't even know why I couldn't
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  get up. I was so stuck.
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  And the monkey was stuck till I found out.
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  And I broke everything till I fell down.
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  And they took everything until I was hurting my heart.
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  It was straight. Yeah, I was broke and I had all
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  this pain held on home. It got harder than this hope.
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  Then I went to the side of the smoke.
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  I had no truth but to look to my God.
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  He gave me stomach in my heart. He gave me.
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  Earrings and he told me a blast. He told me he just believe in
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  this time. I told him I can't change all of
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  my ways. He said I got you just look at
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  this. I looked at him and he showed me
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  his ways. Then he just told me how I am
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  this time. Then he just told me I'm not in
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  this world. He told me I come from the end
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  of the fall from a new creature. I come from the sun from the one
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  and only straight from them and see really on me.
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  I came from the sun I was really with them and heavenly places
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  I'm ceiling. Y'all can't even go that way.
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  Y'all don't even know that way. Y'all want to play like Patty
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  cake but this ain't no game but it's that way.
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  You wag this so fake when you walk up to me and I know you're
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  a snake. You think you can be me but you
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  got no problem. You want no way.
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  I take out that trouble I'll put on your top and I'll break on
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  your face. I see you laughing You think
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  that you got me but you got no way.
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  The evil you say for my life is OK because it's made for my
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  good. My God is created.
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  He created you so you really is cool.
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  I said all these things because I know when it's true and you
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  know you is good go like I'm in case you can never win.
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  I know the things that's going to happen to you when you die in
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  the head. You didn't say living your life
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  because you know you can never go and get saved.
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  You know when his crazy his mercy was took from you when
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  you're my son in the plot. I thought you could take on my
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  God spot now for you.