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DEAD ON VACATION: Aspiring filmmaker attacked, murdered on Jamaican getaway · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. As you get ready, do
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Speaker 1: you go on vacation on your own with your friend,
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Speaker 1: your partner, your loved one or your family? Think twice?
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Speaker 1: Does the name Desirey Gibbon ring a bell? It does
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Speaker 1: to me because when I first read about desire I
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Speaker 1: was so moved I ended up writing an entire chapter
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Speaker 1: about travel safety because of desire Gibbon and the book
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Speaker 1: Don't Be a Victim. Gorgeous, beautiful. In fact, she was
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Speaker 1: a model headed to film school just twenty six years
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Speaker 1: old when she goes on a faded vacation to Jamaica
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friend Jim Dulling at ABC seven. Desiree Given was twenty
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Speaker 1: six years old and all that was holding her back
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Speaker 1: was that she had so many options in life. She
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Speaker 1: could do so much. She wanted to go to film school.
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Speaker 1: She wanted to learn producing and directing, so she wanted
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Speaker 1: to make money to go. She didn't want us to
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Speaker 1: have to pay for schwe to go and make it
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Speaker 1: on her own. Desiree went to Jamaica, where her father
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Speaker 1: lives and where her grandmother owns a hotel to earn
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Speaker 1: that money for college. She was close to landing a
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Speaker 1: job at a tourist bar there. Desiree had already created
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Speaker 1: a social life in her short time in Jamaica. She's
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Speaker 1: got family down there, She's cousins. She met a lot
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Speaker 1: of new people that she had been hanging out with
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Speaker 1: for the last three weeks or so, so she was
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Speaker 1: comfortable with these people she met. Her mom says, Desiree
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Speaker 1: knew to be careful. She never traveled by herself. She
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Speaker 1: didn't leave the hotel by herself. She always left with
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Speaker 1: somebody and they would take a car service that was
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Speaker 1: provided by the hotel, and the same driver would take
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Speaker 1: them and drop them and bring them back. You know,
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Speaker 1: it seems as if Desiree was following all the rules
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Speaker 1: to stay safe. She was doing everything right. Joining me
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Speaker 1: an all star panel. Gary Davidson Partner with Diaz Royce
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Speaker 1: International Law Firm at Diaz Royce dot com. His specialty
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Speaker 1: is international law cases just like this. Doctor Jory Krausen, Psychologist,
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Speaker 1: faculty Saint Leo University, consultant and author of Stop Officer
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Speaker 1: Suicide Operation SOS Practical Recommendations. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and Star
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Speaker 1: Off Poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network. Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Mary Murphy, investigative reporter with Pixie Loving News and the
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Speaker 1: recipient of thirty New York Emmy Awards on Facebook, Mary
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Speaker 1: Murphy Mystery special guest in joining us and how I
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Speaker 1: have wanted to speak to her, Miss Andrea Gibbon. This
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Speaker 1: is Desiree Gibbon's mother, Miss Gibbon. Thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for being with us. Thank you for having me, Miss Gibbon.
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Speaker 1: I'm just overwhelmed at Desiree's life force. She was beautiful
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Speaker 1: on the inside in the outside, and she had so
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Speaker 1: many dreams. And you know, there are a lot of dreamers,
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Speaker 1: but there's a difference and a dreamer and a dreamer
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Speaker 1: that's willing to work hard to make their dream come true.
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Speaker 1: And that was Desiree. She went to Jamaica and actually
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Speaker 1: stayed at her grandmother's hotel that she owned. Correct, that's correct.
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Speaker 1: When did you last speak to her? Actually last spoke
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Speaker 1: for her on Thanksgiving in twenty seventeen. I'm thinking back
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Speaker 1: about the last time I ever saw my fiance before
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Speaker 1: he was murdered It was an early morning on a
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Speaker 1: Monday morning. He was heading out of town for work,
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Speaker 1: and the last thing I saw was his left arm
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Speaker 1: come up over the car waving goodbye. And I remember
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Speaker 1: it like it was yesterday. What do you remember about
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Speaker 1: that conversation? She was so happy on that day. She
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Speaker 1: was so full of life. She had spoken to everybody
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Speaker 1: that she ever knew on that day, friend's, family, co workers, everybody,
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Speaker 1: whether it was a text message, a phone call, a FaceTime.
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Speaker 1: She was in such good spirits. She was in a
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Speaker 1: really good place. She was extremely happy. She couldn't wait
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Speaker 1: to have dinner with her family that evening. Just in
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Speaker 1: a very good place, other than of course missing home
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Speaker 1: and you know, her sisters and myself, just happy, happy girl. Guys,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at crime online dot com.
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Speaker 1: Desiree Gibbon had plans to stay at her grandmother's small resort,
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Speaker 1: the GiB Chateau, for three weeks. After a Thanksgiving dinner
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Speaker 1: with relatives, she walked outside at eleven twenty seven pm,
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Speaker 1: telling the security guard she would be right back. She
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Speaker 1: walked to the left and out of view of the
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Speaker 1: resort and was never seen again. She was wearing shorts
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Speaker 1: and hot pink flip flops, carrying only her iPhone and
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Speaker 1: room key. She did not come back to the hotel
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Speaker 1: to the resort, they didn't Three days passed. Mary Murphy,
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter with Picks Pix eleven. Mary, how has she
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Speaker 1: first reported missing? And tell me about the search that
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Speaker 1: ensued for Desiree. Well, she had no identification on her
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Speaker 1: at all, as you mentioned, she just had in her pocket.
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Speaker 1: She was wearing shorts and her T shirt. And when
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Speaker 1: she was found in the brush, it was on the
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Speaker 1: side of a road in Saint James Parish in Jamaica.
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Speaker 1: And so what I understand is that a photo of
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Speaker 1: her was taken around to all the different hotels in
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Speaker 1: the nearby area in Montego Bay, and finally someone at
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Speaker 1: the Family hotel it gave Chateau recognized Desiree, and that's
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Speaker 1: how she was first identified. And she was beaten so
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Speaker 1: badly and her throat was slipped from the ear to ear.
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Speaker 1: I know it's so hard for her mom to hear
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Speaker 1: this again, but her mother and I have spoken many times,
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Speaker 1: She's appeared on my show in New York, and she
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Speaker 1: wants the truth to come out. I mean, she was
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Speaker 1: almost decapitated. That's how bad the injury was. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to this. About twenty minutes away from the hotel,
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Speaker 1: residents find Desiree gibbons body around nine fifteen am, two
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Speaker 1: days after she disappeared. She was lying in the heavy
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Speaker 1: brush beside an overgrown roadway with her throat cut. Since then,
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Speaker 1: surveillance video from nearby homes had revealed few clues. The
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Speaker 1: pathology report reveals that when Gibbon's throat was slashed, she
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Speaker 1: was nearly decapitated. Her spine was severed. DNA was found
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Speaker 1: on the body from both a man and a woman,
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Speaker 1: but no matches have been made so far to Miss Gibbon.
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Speaker 1: Miss Andrea Gibbon, this is Desire's mother. When did you
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Speaker 1: realize that she was even missing, much less had been murdered.
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Speaker 1: You know, I had not heard from her on Friday
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Speaker 1: or Saturday, and sometimes I know at that moment I
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Speaker 1: talked it up too well. The wifi's very poured down there,
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Speaker 1: so it wasn't uncommon. It's some time passed and I
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Speaker 1: didn't hear from her. And then I recall on the
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Speaker 1: Sunday morning, I was sitting in my car getting ready
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Speaker 1: to go to work, and I just got this overwhelming
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Speaker 1: feeling just go through my entire body. The initial sensation
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Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, it's finally happen. It's finally
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Speaker 1: happening for Desiree. Her dreams are coming true. She's where
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Speaker 1: she needs to be. And I started to call her.
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Speaker 1: There was no answer. I text her, there was no answer,
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Speaker 1: so again I said, well, maybe poor WiFi. Monday, I
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Speaker 1: didn't hear from her. I kept calling, and then I
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Speaker 1: was at work on Tuesday morning, actually in a board meeting,
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Speaker 1: when I got a phone call from Jamaica. The number
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Speaker 1: popped up. I assumed it was Desiated because she bought
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Speaker 1: a burner phone in Jamaica. So I answered the phone
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Speaker 1: and there's a delay on that phone. So I'm going, hey,
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Speaker 1: does I'm in a meeting, but how are you? What's
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Speaker 1: going out of and trying to reach you? So the
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Speaker 1: voice on the other end turned out to be her uncle,
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Speaker 1: and the uncle was saying to me, yes, something has happened,
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Speaker 1: go home and call me back on this number. And
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Speaker 1: I said to him, I'm at work, I'm not going home.
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Speaker 1: Where's Desireate? What is going on? And he just kept
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Speaker 1: saying go home, call me back on this number. So
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Speaker 1: I hung up with him, and I proceeded to text
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Speaker 1: my husband and I said, your brother just called me.
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Speaker 1: What's going on? Where desiree? Why is he telling me
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Speaker 1: to go home? My husband tried to call me, and
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Speaker 1: of course I declined the call because I was in
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Speaker 1: a meeting, and I said, please text me. The next
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Speaker 1: thing he texted me was my mother just told me
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Speaker 1: they killed my daughter. After that, I don't know what happened.
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Speaker 1: It somehow ended up at my mother in law's house
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Speaker 1: speaking to the detective on the phone, and they were
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Speaker 1: very like nonchalant, like, what have you been told? And
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Speaker 1: I said, if you're asking me if somebody told me
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Speaker 1: she was killed? Yes, what happened? So when he proceeded
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Speaker 1: to tell me we found her in the bushes and
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Speaker 1: her throat was slit, I just kind of blacked out
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Speaker 1: at that point and can't recall for the next several
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Speaker 1: hours after that what happened. So yeah, I was very
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Speaker 1: devastating and quite the shock, something I never thought i'd
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Speaker 1: ever hear. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are
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Speaker 1: telling you about a beautiful young girl just twenty six
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Speaker 1: years old, already a model, but beautiful on the inside
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Speaker 1: and out, trying to work her way to film school
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Speaker 1: that was her dream, and such a loving family. She
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Speaker 1: goes on vacation down to Jamaica, actually stays at her grandmother's.
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Speaker 1: The grandmother owns a resort. How this happened still remains
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Speaker 1: a mystery to this day. But well, Nancy, I just
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Speaker 1: wanted to end in at the Daily News that was
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Speaker 1: the cover the day that the death was announced. Model
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Speaker 1: murder mystery. And you know, there's been speculation that this
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Speaker 1: week done out of jealousy, that she may have met
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Speaker 1: someone in a nightclub that she politely turned down when
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Speaker 1: he showed interest. You know, there was male DNA but
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Speaker 1: also the female DNA sound on her body. So that's
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Speaker 1: the real mystery here. Who are these people? You know?
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Speaker 1: Did she have some kind of dispute with people that
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Speaker 1: she had met on the trip, or was it something
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Speaker 1: regarding events around the hotel? That's unclear? What, if anything,
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Speaker 1: can we learn from what Desire's mother is telling us.
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Speaker 1: Now take a listen to our friend, Maggie Hickey picks eleven.
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Speaker 1: These are the final images given has of her daughter
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Speaker 1: before her death. Twenty six year old Desiree given last
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Speaker 1: scene on surveillance camera. She's casually dressed in shorts, a
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Speaker 1: T shirt and flip flops at eleven twenty seven. On
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Speaker 1: November twenty third, she leaves her room at the Gibb
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Speaker 1: Chateau in Jamaica, a hotel owned by her family. She
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Speaker 1: goes downstairs, is buzzed out by security, and walks down
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Speaker 1: the driveway. She knew them, and she knew them well.
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Speaker 1: She had not been around them once or twice. She
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Speaker 1: had been around these people multiple times, probably the three
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Speaker 1: weeks plus that she was there. Just four days before
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Speaker 1: she was to return home to New York, Desire's brutalized
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Speaker 1: body was found about twenty minutes away along the roadside,
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Speaker 1: her throat slashed, bruises found throughout her body and wrists.
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Speaker 1: Those are their words, chopping wound to neck. You're hearing
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Speaker 1: the voice of Desire's mother there at the end, meeting
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Speaker 1: people while on vacation. Of course that's going to happen.
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Speaker 1: But to you, Gary Davidson, partner with Diaz Royce International
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Speaker 1: Law Firm, you hear these accounts every day. You don't
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Speaker 1: know these people, you don't know where they're from. What
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Speaker 1: they do, what they have done, what they are capable of. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: a lot of people can be friendly at a restaurant
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Speaker 1: or a bar, or out playing shuffleboard or walking on
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Speaker 1: the beach, but you don't know who they are. Jerry Davidson, No,
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Speaker 1: you don't. And you know, people forget when they travel,
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Speaker 1: and Nancy, I'm sure you talk about this in many
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Speaker 1: of your shows. They forget when they go on vacation
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Speaker 1: that the rules that apply in your neighborhood, for example,
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Speaker 1: where you live in the United States, don't necessarily apply
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Speaker 1: in a place like Jamaica. Jamaica is known for its
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Speaker 1: high crime rate. Jamaica is known as a beautiful place
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Speaker 1: to vacation as well. But there has to be a balance.
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Speaker 1: And when you start getting involved with locals in the
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Speaker 1: community in any country, you need to know who you're
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Speaker 1: talking to. You need to know what type of person
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Speaker 1: you're talking to. And you know, when you're young and
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Speaker 1: care free, as she certainly desire, he certainly sounds like
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Speaker 1: she was, you sometimes skip making those important judgments in
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Speaker 1: favor of just, you know, having a great time, and
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Speaker 1: that here turned out to be a mistake. It brings
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Speaker 1: to mind straight out to doctor Jorry Crossin, psychologist at
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Speaker 1: Junct Professor Saint Leo University and author the case of
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Speaker 1: the so called Missing Groom, George Allen Smith, the Fourth
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Speaker 1: who disappeared on the Royal Caribbean cruise ship The Brilliance
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Speaker 1: of the Seas. He was there on a dream honeymoon
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Speaker 1: and met people in the bar, in the casino on
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Speaker 1: board and he ends up dead. I'm pretty sure his
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Speaker 1: fiancee just married his wife had nothing to do with it,
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Speaker 1: and that only leaves the people on board. Why is it?
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Speaker 1: Why do people lower their guard on vacation and befriend
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Speaker 1: what that kind would be a complete stranger. But you know,
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Speaker 1: as humans were very trusting people. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: just through an introduction. We trust people to give us
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Speaker 1: correct directions when we ask for it, and you know,
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Speaker 1: being very trusting, we drop our guard and we do
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Speaker 1: allow people to get close to us. You know, one
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Speaker 1: thing that I noticed here with the brutality of this attack.
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Speaker 1: And I've trained and I've worked with Jamaican police, and
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Speaker 1: I know the culture and I know the violence and
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Speaker 1: the aggressiveness of that culture, and this is a very
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Speaker 1: interesting behavioral pattern at this of suspect left the left hand,
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Speaker 1: the violence. I think there's somebody that knows what really happened.
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Speaker 1: Now there's going to be a group of people because
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Speaker 1: this level of violence just doesn't go unnoticed. Somebody knows
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Speaker 1: something down there. Well, yes, I guess the big question.
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Speaker 1: And let me pose this to Desire's mother or Andrew Gibbon.
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Speaker 1: Miss Gibbon, tell me about the resort and why you
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Speaker 1: believe your daughter would have left the resort. Well, it
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Speaker 1: was a you know, a small hotel that they have
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Speaker 1: there in Montego Bay. And you know, from what we
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Speaker 1: could view on the surveillance camera is that it appeared
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Speaker 1: that she had gotten a phone call from somebody and
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Speaker 1: she had come downstairs on two different occasions. She came
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Speaker 1: downstairs once at about eleven thirty pm holding a phone,
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Speaker 1: speaking to security, looking out the door, nobody appearing, and
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Speaker 1: she went back upstairs, and about three or four minutes
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Speaker 1: later she came back down the stairs, so we tracked
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Speaker 1: her own surveillance. The only difference when she came down
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Speaker 1: the added article of clothing that she had. She'd put
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Speaker 1: a pair of clear sunglasses on top of her head
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Speaker 1: like as an ex three. She had a bandana on
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Speaker 1: her head, a little middrive t shirts, the shorts, and
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Speaker 1: her flip flops. She came back down, she went to
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Speaker 1: security again. She's looking out the door and she says, okay,
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Speaker 1: I'll be right back. I'll be right back. She told
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Speaker 1: security she was leaving. There's a video surveillance at the resort.
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Speaker 1: It's a small resort. She need a security guard. She's
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Speaker 1: caught on video. It's very clear to me she was
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Speaker 1: waiting to meet somebody. She wasn't just going out and
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Speaker 1: walking up and down isolated roadways in Jamaica. She was
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Speaker 1: meeting someone, correct, And you know, it seemed like something
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Speaker 1: that she probably intended to be something very brief meeting.
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Speaker 1: Because again, she didn't have a dollar in her pocket,
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Speaker 1: she didn't have an ID, she didn't have a bank card.
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Speaker 1: Her hair was not done as if she was going
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Speaker 1: out anywhere. She had no makeup on, she had flip
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Speaker 1: flops on. She was not going out of that hotel
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Speaker 1: with the intentions to anywhere. It seemed to me like
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Speaker 1: she was just going downstairs to meet somebody, may maybe
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Speaker 1: say hello, and whatever transpired from there, we just we
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Speaker 1: don't know the cod cause of death. A manner of
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Speaker 1: death is especially upsetting. Take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at CBS to New York. Your daughter has been murdered.
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Speaker 1: They found her body on Saturday and they slid her throat.
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Speaker 1: She was found in the bushes up in the country
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Speaker 1: Desi raised. Grandparents owned a hotel near Montigo Bay called
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Speaker 1: Gibbs Chateau. Police were able to identify her body by
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Speaker 1: taking her photo to all the nearby hotels, and one
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Speaker 1: of them turned out to be her family's. The coroner's
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Speaker 1: office is conducting an autopsy do determine the cause of death.
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Speaker 1: She had to have been lured from that hotel because
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Speaker 1: she had nothing on her She didn't have a purse.
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Speaker 1: Jamaica is a beautiful country. Joe's a lot of people yearly. However,
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Speaker 1: women I advise them do not travel their loan. It
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Speaker 1: can be very dangerous. The men will lure you. Prime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. I can't tell you how many
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Speaker 1: cases I've examined where women were lured by people that
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Speaker 1: complimented them, that took them to dinner, that showed them
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Speaker 1: attention at the pool sidebar, and the next thing you know,
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Speaker 1: they're either robbed, raped, or murdered. It happens on vacation.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about the case of a beautiful, young twenty
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Speaker 1: six year old with the world ahead of her, just
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Speaker 1: excited to be alive and happy, working her way toward
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Speaker 1: a film school, and absolutely stunning on the outside and
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Speaker 1: the inside Desiree Gibbon. I have in my hands right here,
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, the autop report, the post mortem examination report,
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Speaker 1: and I am struck by the veracity used to slash
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Speaker 1: her neck. I haven't seen anything like it really since
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Speaker 1: we examined the case of Nicole Brown, who practically had
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Speaker 1: her head severed by O. J. Simpson. Yeah, yeah, it is.
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Speaker 1: It is rather ferocious. And not only does this poor
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Speaker 1: woman have injury, this specific injury that's a little over
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Speaker 1: five inches and linked to the left side of her neck,
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Speaker 1: she's also got other injuries that are indicated by the
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Speaker 1: forensic pathologists that she may very well have grabbed the blade.
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Speaker 1: So that tells me as an investigator that she has
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Speaker 1: an awareness that she's being attacked. Nancy. Another interesting part
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Speaker 1: to this is that we keep hearing terms like slit
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Speaker 1: and slash and all this sort of thing that's not
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Speaker 1: what to cause death. Is this is a chopping injury Nancy.
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Speaker 1: And one of the first things that comes to my
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Speaker 1: for me is because the actually states that this is
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Speaker 1: a sharp, strong blade. So one of the things that
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Speaker 1: comes to me is a machete and it is used
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Speaker 1: to chop with that she used very commonly in Jamaica,
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Speaker 1: has been used for years and years to do things
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Speaker 1: like harvest sugarcane. So I'm thinking that more than likely
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Speaker 1: it's a big blade like a machete. It's a chopping motion.
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Speaker 1: The even states that the individual may have been right
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Speaker 1: handed that utilized this blade to bring about her death.
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Speaker 1: And so as he is cutting downward, and we know
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Speaker 1: downward because the m E is saying this poor woman
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Speaker 1: was in a knee lean position. This is a position
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Speaker 1: what we refer to as asymmetrical where you've got the
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Speaker 1: perpetrators standing above the victims down below, going from above
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Speaker 1: and downward in a chopping motion, and that's where you
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Speaker 1: get this force that goes all the way down to
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Speaker 1: the spinal I'm here, but she had an awareness she
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Speaker 1: was being attacked, Nancy. And the fact that there are
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Speaker 1: two two unknown DNA samples found from her body, I'm
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Speaker 1: thinking that these two individuals that facilitated this may very
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Speaker 1: well have been injured themselves. We've got male and female.
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Speaker 1: So where does the female DNA comes from? Especially because
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Speaker 1: because there's evidence that she took the weapon from the
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Speaker 1: aggressor because of a slice on her own hand, and
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Speaker 1: not only that, the autopsy states that it's not and
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Speaker 1: it's not possible to rule out participation of more than
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Speaker 1: one person. So it took more than one person to
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Speaker 1: murder Desiree Nancy. Can I just say one more quick
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Speaker 1: thing there per the pathologist examination, there is per their examination,
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Speaker 1: what I'm reading is there's nouce of a sexual assault here, correct,
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Speaker 1: So we have to surmise that this DNA deposit did
23:07
Speaker 1: not come from seminal sample from the mail. This has
23:10
Speaker 1: to be something else. And I got to tell you
23:11
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen when there's occurred the Jamaican police down there,
23:16
Speaker 1: I don't think they were sophisticated enough to be looking
23:19
Speaker 1: for touch DNA. This is going to be blood. I think. Well,
23:22
Speaker 1: hold on, Joe Scott, because I think you're absolutely correct.
23:25
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Lanage Franklin tv J News, Jamaica.
23:31
Speaker 1: The police say no suspect has been identified in her
23:34
Speaker 1: daughter's murder. Even though interviews are being conducted, it's understood
23:39
Speaker 1: that several CCTV footage of areas Miss Gibbon visited are
23:43
Speaker 1: being examined. She was summoned from her hotel room on
23:47
Speaker 1: Thursday night after Thanksgiving by text or phone call. Her
23:52
Speaker 1: cell films are missing. She had both an iPhone from
23:55
Speaker 1: back home and she had purchased herself a small local
23:59
Speaker 1: area Jamaican phone. She left the hotel and she told
24:04
Speaker 1: the security guard, I'll be right back, and she walked
24:07
Speaker 1: out of the gate and to the right and down
24:11
Speaker 1: just a short way because this res are extremely narrowful
24:13
Speaker 1: people to double park or pull over. And she walked
24:16
Speaker 1: to the car and she was never heard or seen
24:18
Speaker 1: from again. Straight back out to Desires A mother or
24:21
Speaker 1: Miss Andrew Gibbon. Miss Gibbon, am I understanding correctly that
24:26
Speaker 1: her cell phone was taken one of her cell phones.
24:28
Speaker 1: That's correct. Your iPhone from New York was missing. As
24:32
Speaker 1: a matter of fact. Isn't it true that months later
24:36
Speaker 1: calls were made to your family from her missing cell phone.
24:41
Speaker 1: That's correct. My sister got two phone calls from Desires
24:45
Speaker 1: phone number. The first call was about I guess by
24:49
Speaker 1: thirty in the evening or so, nobody talked. They just
24:52
Speaker 1: left the line open and then ultimately disconnected. And there
24:55
Speaker 1: was a second call that same day about eleven thirty
24:58
Speaker 1: pm that the missed call, and when you tried to
25:02
Speaker 1: call the number back, it didn't go through. So it
25:04
Speaker 1: was just extremely bizarre, you know, to doctor Jerry Crawls
25:08
Speaker 1: in psychologist faculty Saint Leo University and author doctor Jory
25:13
Speaker 1: who would do that? What person would call the murder
25:18
Speaker 1: victim's family and then hang up repeatedly? That were the
25:24
Speaker 1: individual responsible? That that is a form of like terror,
25:29
Speaker 1: That's a way of getting further excitement. It's part of
25:32
Speaker 1: the fantasy that you know, murderers like this live in
25:36
Speaker 1: so you know, to be able to revoke the fear
25:40
Speaker 1: from the attack by contact in the family and just
25:43
Speaker 1: leaving it open like that. I mean, that's a tremendous
25:46
Speaker 1: lead if they can locate you know, the cell towers
25:49
Speaker 1: and things like that. That's the type of individual that
25:53
Speaker 1: would make such behavior patterns to Mary Murphy, investigative reporter
25:57
Speaker 1: or picks PI X eleven in New York, were the
26:01
Speaker 1: calls ever traced to a location, I don't believe the
26:05
Speaker 1: calls were ever traced. And you know, I'm really stumped
26:08
Speaker 1: as to how far this investigation has even gone, because
26:12
Speaker 1: I have tried the inspector Dwayne Fixon from the Major
26:16
Speaker 1: Investigation of Divisions. Very recently. I spoke to him and
26:20
Speaker 1: he's claiming it's not being considered a cold case. It's
26:23
Speaker 1: still considered very much active, but we don't have new leads. However.
26:28
Speaker 1: You know, when I kept pressing him, he said, we
26:31
Speaker 1: have no active suspects thus far, and every lead lad
26:34
Speaker 1: could dead ends, you know, and i'd Almoss given has
26:37
Speaker 1: expressed concern that because of worries over how this might
26:41
Speaker 1: impact to make a tourism that perhaps, you know, maybe
26:47
Speaker 1: some investigors hope this will go away. In twenty seventeen,
26:51
Speaker 1: that you make a tourist board was boasting that any
26:53
Speaker 1: of the record four point three million visitor to the island.
26:57
Speaker 1: So you know, you have to wonder do they want
27:00
Speaker 1: this case to be solved? Do they want the case solved?
27:05
Speaker 1: What do you make of that, Miss Gibbon. It's a
27:08
Speaker 1: very hard till to swallow. I believe they actually have
27:11
Speaker 1: no interest in solving her case at all. You know,
27:15
Speaker 1: from the very beginning, it was swept under the rug.
27:18
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you actually, how we learned about Desiree's
27:22
Speaker 1: murder is that it happened to be a journalist down
27:27
Speaker 1: in Jamaica who called the Daily News and said, Hey,
27:30
Speaker 1: there's an American girl here that was killed. How come
27:33
Speaker 1: none of you are reporting on this yet? And that's
27:36
Speaker 1: how it started to unfold. And you know, by the
27:39
Speaker 1: time that I had gotten home from my mother in
27:41
Speaker 1: law house after learning this, you know, every news station
27:45
Speaker 1: was outside my home. So she was the one calling
27:48
Speaker 1: to say, they're sweeping it under the rug. They're not
27:51
Speaker 1: doing anything. You need to get down here. You guys
27:54
Speaker 1: need to investigate. There's something very strange with this case.
27:58
Speaker 1: You know, I am listening to what you said earlier.
28:01
Speaker 1: You said, I'm angry at the circumstances. I'm angry at
28:05
Speaker 1: your government. Compared to New York, it's definitely different. I
28:08
Speaker 1: can't understand being such a tourist area, how you have
28:12
Speaker 1: so many murders here? Do you remember saying that, Andrea,
28:16
Speaker 1: I do. In fact, that year that Desiree was killed,
28:18
Speaker 1: there were sixteen hundred and four murders on that small island.
28:22
Speaker 1: You know, Mary Murphy. I don't think tourists know that.
28:24
Speaker 1: I didn't know there were that many murders on the island.
28:28
Speaker 1: I'm very surprised to hear that. And you know, we
28:30
Speaker 1: should also mention that at one point Desire's family was
28:34
Speaker 1: trying to raise money to hire a private investigator who
28:37
Speaker 1: was involved with the Natalie Holloway case. I know you've
28:40
Speaker 1: done work on that. Anti that was the high school
28:43
Speaker 1: seeing her and went to a Muba before Grays right
28:46
Speaker 1: T J. Ward. Yes, desires family has been trying to
28:49
Speaker 1: raise money in the past to get him to come
28:52
Speaker 1: on board. I think he needed twenty five thousand dollars
28:55
Speaker 1: to go to Jamaica and try to work on this coup.
28:58
Speaker 1: Do you guys have a go fund me for that?
29:00
Speaker 1: We do one. We do have a go fund me
29:03
Speaker 1: that we started a new one because the old one
29:05
Speaker 1: had expired because not a lot what's happening with the case,
29:09
Speaker 1: and you know, you know, after a while, people kind
29:11
Speaker 1: of move on. But we've been working very hard on
29:14
Speaker 1: my side to to get Desiree story back out there,
29:18
Speaker 1: to keep it alive. How do I find your go
29:20
Speaker 1: fund me? Andrea? It's actually Justice for Desiree given dash murdered,
29:26
Speaker 1: Justice for Desiree given, slash murdered, forward, slash murdered. Um.
29:32
Speaker 1: But it's a dash, It's not a slash. Excuse me, dash,
29:36
Speaker 1: Justice for Desiree given, dash murdered. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.
29:57
Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand what the takeaway is and the
30:01
Speaker 1: death of desire still unsolved. The tip line is eight
30:06
Speaker 1: seven to six seven zero two six four five zero
30:10
Speaker 1: or eight seven six seven zero two six thousand. When
30:18
Speaker 1: I'm looking at what happened, Mary Murphy, I think that
30:22
Speaker 1: the public is woefully uninformed. Here is this beautiful twenty
30:28
Speaker 1: six year old girl heading to film school. She's staying
30:31
Speaker 1: at her grandmother's resort. She is captured on video leaving
30:36
Speaker 1: the lobby. She tells security guards I'll be right back. Then.
30:41
Speaker 1: About two to three days pass before she's reported missing.
30:47
Speaker 1: It's only when her body is found that anyone realizes
30:52
Speaker 1: anything is amiss. What can we learn from it, Mary Murphy? Well,
30:57
Speaker 1: what we can learn is you really can't trust anyone
31:00
Speaker 1: when you're not in your own country, in your own city.
31:03
Speaker 1: I mean, she probably just wanted to run out to
31:05
Speaker 1: pick something up. That is the guests that I'm making
31:08
Speaker 1: on you. Another thing I'd like to bring up is
31:11
Speaker 1: that the authority from our country, the FBI, they're not
31:15
Speaker 1: committed to go in and exist any investigation because they're
31:19
Speaker 1: in health audentity. It would have to involve a request
31:23
Speaker 1: from the Jamaican government for help to bring in a
31:26
Speaker 1: US authority. So even though this young woman is an
31:29
Speaker 1: American citizen, none of our people from this country can
31:33
Speaker 1: go to Jamaica and try to help with the investigation.
31:35
Speaker 1: And I know that her mother was trying to change that.
31:38
Speaker 1: Gary Davidson, what can you tell us, Well, I read
31:41
Speaker 1: the commentary in some of the articles about the desire
31:46
Speaker 1: to have an intervention by the US government and Andrea
31:51
Speaker 1: if it hasn't been done already, and through use of
31:54
Speaker 1: this you know, your your podium here, I would be
32:00
Speaker 1: I would like to see Senator Schumer's office UH notified
32:04
Speaker 1: of this situation and a request from and a request
32:07
Speaker 1: made to his office to engage with the State Department
32:10
Speaker 1: to to sort of turn around on the on the
32:13
Speaker 1: Jamaican government and have the United States, through its diplomatic channels,
32:18
Speaker 1: through the ambassador at the ambassador level, request permission to
32:22
Speaker 1: have the FBI assist UH down in Jamaica. You need
32:26
Speaker 1: a very, very sophisticated investigation at this point, particularly given
32:29
Speaker 1: the amount of time that has that has passed. UM,
32:33
Speaker 1: and the FBI is there's nobody better um, and it's
32:37
Speaker 1: a long shot. It's it's unlikely that the Jamaican government
32:43
Speaker 1: will agree to this, but given that the given that
32:45
Speaker 1: this incident occurred in twenty seventeen and has somewhat cooled off,
32:49
Speaker 1: it may be more politically acceptable at this point for
32:52
Speaker 1: the government to agree to some further form of investigation
32:56
Speaker 1: WELLBI being involved. Here's our friend Mary Murphy picks. You'll
33:00
Speaker 1: haven't listen. The autopsy indicated that your daughter had fled
33:04
Speaker 1: to death and she had a wound to her karate artery. Correct.
33:08
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just a devastating wound. Correct. Now, it's
33:11
Speaker 1: almost a year later, Thanksgiving is when your daughter disappeared. Correct,
33:16
Speaker 1: And a couple of days later her body was found
33:18
Speaker 1: on the side of the road. Do you know anything
33:20
Speaker 1: more today? We know nothing more today other than they
33:27
Speaker 1: allegedly did get her iPhone records from the States, and
33:33
Speaker 1: what the detective told me is that it did not
33:36
Speaker 1: prove to be fruitful in the investigation. However, they didn't
33:40
Speaker 1: discuss any numbers with me. They didn't share any numbers
33:43
Speaker 1: with me, so I'm not really sure how they know
33:45
Speaker 1: if anything is relevant or not in those phone numbers.
33:49
Speaker 1: They have said to me the FBI is involved. I
33:54
Speaker 1: have contacted them, and FBI, of course, just says we
33:58
Speaker 1: can neither confirm nor deny that we're involved. Mary Murphy
34:02
Speaker 1: picks eleven. I found it really hard to believe if
34:04
Speaker 1: the FBI was involved, they haven't contacted the victim's mother.
34:07
Speaker 1: It sounds odd to me. I would think if the
34:10
Speaker 1: FBI was involved, that Miss Andrea Gibbon, the mother of Desiree,
34:14
Speaker 1: would certainly know. She would have been interviewed at the
34:17
Speaker 1: very least. And Miss Gibbon has already gone to Jamaica
34:20
Speaker 1: at least once, if not twice. She went right after
34:23
Speaker 1: her daughter was killed, and she was there on the
34:25
Speaker 1: one year anniversary. So the authorities would definitely have people
34:29
Speaker 1: to be Miss Gibbon from the FBI if they weren't involved.
34:32
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's follow up with that. Andrea Gibbon, who
34:35
Speaker 1: told you the FBI was involved. It was the detectives
34:38
Speaker 1: on the case. It was in Jamaica. In Jamaica, we
34:42
Speaker 1: actually yes, we flew down there to recoup her body
34:45
Speaker 1: and bring her home. I went down, my husband, I
34:48
Speaker 1: went down for the one year anniversary of her death.
34:51
Speaker 1: We interviewed with the new stations down there, we met
34:53
Speaker 1: with the detectives, and there was no new information, There
34:57
Speaker 1: were no new leads. They were quite annoyed h that
35:00
Speaker 1: they had to sit and meet with me. We went
35:02
Speaker 1: down on the second year anniversary and the same thing,
35:05
Speaker 1: and finally he just told us. He says, misgiven, you're
35:07
Speaker 1: too aggressive. You're just too aggressive. We don't want to
35:09
Speaker 1: talk to you. Why are you here? So I said
35:12
Speaker 1: to him, what do you mean why am I here?
35:15
Speaker 1: So my husband said, sir, you have to understand her
35:17
Speaker 1: daughter was murdered on your island. How could you expect
35:22
Speaker 1: her not to be upset, not to be aggressive when
35:24
Speaker 1: she's not getting any answers. So, you know, I had
35:27
Speaker 1: been in touch with the embassy multiple times too. It's just,
35:31
Speaker 1: you know, there's not a book, there's not a hand
35:33
Speaker 1: to a lot of red tape. And that's exactly what
35:37
Speaker 1: Natalie Holloway's parents told me they went through when Natalie
35:41
Speaker 1: went missing on Aruba, and potentially the biggest lead other
35:46
Speaker 1: than DNA, I hope taken from Desire's body. Take a
35:52
Speaker 1: listen to Peggy Bruner speaking to our friend Mary Murphy. Listen. Well,
35:58
Speaker 1: was a Sunday Sunday evening. I was cooking dinner, had
36:01
Speaker 1: my cell phone ring. I was in the kitchen and
36:04
Speaker 1: I looked at it and it Tom said Desi across
36:08
Speaker 1: That was Desi's desires nickname was Desi. So I was
36:11
Speaker 1: kind of like shocked, and I just kind of froze
36:13
Speaker 1: for a minute. Then I answered it and I was
36:15
Speaker 1: like hello, and um, there was just dead silent on
36:18
Speaker 1: the on the end of the phone, and I didn't
36:20
Speaker 1: hang up for at least two minutes. I was just
36:22
Speaker 1: like hello, Hello, Hello. Nobody said anything, and then it disconnected.
36:26
Speaker 1: And then I got another call that same day around
36:28
Speaker 1: eleven forty six or eleven forty three pm. I was sleeping, um,
36:33
Speaker 1: and when I woke up to go and answer it, UM,
36:36
Speaker 1: it had already stopped ringing. I called. I called the
36:39
Speaker 1: number back and it says this phone is no longer
36:41
Speaker 1: in service. Very freaky. I mean, do you think someone
36:44
Speaker 1: was trying to taunt you? Honestly, I don't. I don't know,
36:49
Speaker 1: I don't know, um, you know, there's some thoughts I
36:53
Speaker 1: go through that maybe it was somebody who knows something
36:55
Speaker 1: who was trying to reach out to a family member
36:56
Speaker 1: to say, you know, you know, I know what happened,
36:59
Speaker 1: but they were here to see something too, you Jessicat Morgan,
37:03
Speaker 1: is there a chance that even now that phone usage
37:08
Speaker 1: could be triangulated to at least an area where her
37:11
Speaker 1: phone taken at the time of her murder, it was
37:14
Speaker 1: being used. Yeah, you know, I gotta tell you, with
37:18
Speaker 1: everything else that happens in Jamaica, or let me rephrase
37:22
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen in Jamaica, I have as many questions
37:26
Speaker 1: about the reliability of being able to triangulate something from
37:31
Speaker 1: this case from back then relative to what they have
37:35
Speaker 1: held onto and what they've collected. I just I don't
37:38
Speaker 1: see how this thing can be married up with this
37:41
Speaker 1: given the slipshod way that they investigate cases in the
37:44
Speaker 1: Caribbean engine and you know you're saying slipshod. That's really
37:50
Speaker 1: putting perfume on the pig. When you travel out of
37:54
Speaker 1: the US, you don't have nine one one, you don't
37:57
Speaker 1: have an ambulance show up immediately, you don't have the
38:01
Speaker 1: hospital services, the police, investigative services, none of that. And
38:08
Speaker 1: Miss Gibbon has learned that in such a heartbreaking manner,
38:12
Speaker 1: if you have information eight seven six seven h two
38:15
Speaker 1: sixty four or five zero FBI, where are you? People
38:21
Speaker 1: at the embassy, where are you? Miss Gibbon needs you now.
38:29
Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds, and it's not going to
38:34
Speaker 1: unfold the Jamaican PD Nancy Grace crime story, signing off,
38:42
Speaker 1: goodbye friend,