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Tech Friday w/ Dave Hatter - Sponsored by Intrust IT - 5/29/2026 · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: welcome back man, thanks to sponsoring the segment and bringing
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Speaker 2: Always my pleasure, Brian, happy to be here.
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Speaker 1: And since I'm a proud hatter write much like a loutite,
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Speaker 1: I follow your advice and now I have been cut
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Speaker 1: off from communicating with my fraternity brothers because you said
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Speaker 1: stay away from WhatsApp a meta product, and that's what
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Speaker 1: they're all using to communicate with each other. I felt
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Speaker 1: like I got ghosted, so I reached out to my
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Speaker 1: friends and said, are you guys still texting among each other? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're on what's up? Like, okay, never mind, So I'm
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Speaker 1: out of a loop, Dave, But I know I'm going
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Speaker 1: to be safe following your advice.
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Speaker 2: Well, It's interesting to me that they would switch from
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Speaker 2: text because you know, depending on what you're using for text,
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Speaker 2: it has into end encryption. That was one of the
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Speaker 2: cells for WhatsApp, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, signal.
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Speaker 2: Matta was talking about removing that. Yeah you got signal,
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Speaker 2: you got telegram. You know. I recommend Signal personally for
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Speaker 2: that sort of thing. It's just interesting that they all
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Speaker 2: ended on WhatsApp for some reason.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. But then again, they probably don't listen
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Speaker 1: to you.
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Speaker 2: I was going to say, they must not listen to
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Speaker 2: the show.
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Speaker 1: No they do not, because they were using Signal for
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Speaker 1: a while. I even downloaded it app for that particular purpose.
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Speaker 1: But never get a signal attacked from anyone. So oh well,
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Speaker 1: I'll just remain lonely and that' say okay with me,
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Speaker 1: because I know I'll be safe. But how about the
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Speaker 1: United States and it's critical infrastructure because we have Iranian
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Speaker 1: hackers out there. What's this one all about.
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Speaker 2: Well, as you know, we've talked about this topic many
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Speaker 2: times in the past, and it just keeps coming up.
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Speaker 2: And anywhere you look, there's now software and things. Things
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Speaker 2: are smart, right, whether it's sensors, it's devices like refrigerators, cars, TVs,
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Speaker 2: et cetera. Everything is smart, quote unquote, it's got software
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Speaker 2: in it. It's connected to a network, usually the Internet.
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Speaker 2: And while those smart devices can bring a lot of
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Speaker 2: benefit if it's specifically in a like a manufacturing or
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Speaker 2: industrial type context where you can oversee systems, control systems,
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Speaker 2: manage energy, all that sort of good stuff. Right, we're
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Speaker 2: increasingly seeing that a lot of this equipment, the so
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Speaker 2: called smart equipment, comes from China. It has potential back
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Speaker 2: doors in it. It can be hacked. There's a great
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Speaker 2: book out there by a guy named Miko Hipponent. I've
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Speaker 2: brought him up before. He's a pretty well known international
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Speaker 2: cybersecurity expert called the book's name is if it's Smart,
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Speaker 2: It's vulnerable, and its whole premises. All of these smart
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Speaker 2: so called smart devices are potential security problems because they
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Speaker 2: have software in them. It's the software being maintained, you know,
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Speaker 2: it's being patched and that sort of thing. Do people
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Speaker 2: know how to configure them correctly? And ultimately, when back
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Speaker 2: doors are found in these things, or vulnerabilities are found
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Speaker 2: in these things, they can be exploited. And you know,
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Speaker 2: it's one thing, Brian, if my hacker, and I can,
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Speaker 2: let's say, turn off your refrigerator. It's another if I
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Speaker 2: could potentially stop all the trains from for all the
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Speaker 2: trucks from running, or the cranes at the ports from working.
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Speaker 2: And you know, we keep seeing these stories come out.
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Speaker 2: This one here is from the Foundation for the Defense
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Speaker 2: of Democracies and Democracies, and they've talked about this several
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Speaker 2: times now, but apparently in the very recent past. You
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Speaker 2: can see from the headline and from the story, US
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Speaker 2: official suspect Ranian hackers are behind a breach of gas
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Speaker 2: station pump displays at several states. The hacks are part
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Speaker 2: of a long term Arangian campaign targeting US critical infrastructure,
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Speaker 2: including water and transportation systems. Back to what I mentioned before,
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Speaker 2: So you know, it's not ideal obviously, if you can
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Speaker 2: hack gas pumps, make them stop working, show the wrong price,
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Speaker 2: dispense the wrong amount, or any of the kind of
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Speaker 2: things that you could potentially do in a situation like that.
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Speaker 2: But you know, being able to turn off some gas
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Speaker 2: pumps isn't nearly as significant as being able to impact
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Speaker 2: the water supply, or the electric grid or the entire
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Speaker 2: transportation grid. And you know this goes on to say
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Speaker 2: hackers breach tank gage systems of GASS and multiple states
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Speaker 2: systems used the monitor fuels were exposed online with either
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Speaker 2: default passwords or no password protections at all. Uh huh,
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Speaker 2: the kind of thing again been warning about for a
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Speaker 2: long time. Get default passwords. So you set up a
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Speaker 2: smart device, if it has a password, which it should,
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Speaker 2: it comes with a default password, so you can log
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Speaker 2: into it initially, make whatever changes you need to make
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Speaker 2: to it, and then ideally you would reset that default password.
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Speaker 2: Another one of the big problems with the so called
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Speaker 2: smart devices. Then it goes on to say hacks are
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Speaker 2: yet another example of attempts spy Iran align hacking groups
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Speaker 2: to compromise you as critical infrastructure. The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure
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Speaker 2: Security Agency says that warned that Iran link haackers are
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Speaker 2: actively exploiting vulnerabilities in industrial control systems across critical infrastructure
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Speaker 2: in the United States. And I want to point out
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Speaker 2: it's not just Iran, It's China, it's Russia, it's North Korea,
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Speaker 2: it's any adversarial nation state. It's hackers that want to
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Speaker 2: get in, shut your plant down, holds you hostage, and
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Speaker 2: make you pay a ran And you know, I lose
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Speaker 2: more sleep over the whole idea of so called smart
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Speaker 2: devices and critical infrastructure than anything else, Brian, because we
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Speaker 2: are rapidly increasing these smart devices that are out there,
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Speaker 2: and I don't think society as a whole really understands
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Speaker 2: the risk of these things because they're generally not designed
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Speaker 2: with privacy and security in mind. The design with speed
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Speaker 2: to market, ease of use, market share, data collection, and
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Speaker 2: whatever functionality they're supposed to do in mine. And this
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Speaker 2: is just another example. I mean, we could do an
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Speaker 2: entire show, not just one segment, an entire show with
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Speaker 2: me pointing out other examples. And I know we're about
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Speaker 2: out of time, but here's too. Taiwan bullet train hack
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Speaker 2: highlights cybersecurity gaps and rail systems hospitals cyber attacks are
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Speaker 2: increasingly hitting patient care. So there's just two more stories
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Speaker 2: impacting critical infrastructure, real world impacts from you know, so
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Speaker 2: called smart devices and lack of cybersecurity.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine a runaway bullet train, Dave.
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Speaker 2: Hat That would not be good?
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Speaker 1: pivoting over to an artificial intelligence Bonnie and Clyde.
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Speaker 2: Huh, this is an interesting story out of the Garden
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Speaker 2: of the Guardian rather and so when you hear people
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Speaker 2: talk about AI, right, there's different types of AI. AI
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Speaker 2: has been around for a long time. Obviously, it's been
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Speaker 2: in the news a lot lately in the last couple
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Speaker 2: of years. Most people, if they're familiar with it at all,
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Speaker 2: are familiar with chatbots, things like chat, GPT, gra Claude Rock,
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Speaker 2: that sort of thing. But increasingly you're seeing AI agents.
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Speaker 2: The idea that rather than you just sit down and
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Speaker 2: type in prompts or think of them as queries and
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Speaker 2: a search engine and get a response, you can say, Okay,
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Speaker 2: here's what I want you to do. Now, go do
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Speaker 2: these tasks right, open a spreadsheet, fill in this data
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Speaker 2: that you pulled out of this database. That sort of thing.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's essentially automation using AI agents. So folks
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Speaker 2: have been testing these things, you know, trying to run
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Speaker 2: them over long periods of time with you know, more
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Speaker 2: complex tasks and so forth, to see how they'll behave
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Speaker 2: Because you know, when you get into when you really
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Speaker 2: start to dig into this, you'll you'll hear terms like
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Speaker 2: model collapse and model drift. Model collapse is the idea
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Speaker 2: that as AI trains on data generated by other AI
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Speaker 2: rather than real world data. Over time, it starts to
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Speaker 2: lose its effectiveness, right, and then model drift is whatever
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Speaker 2: it's designed to do over time, again, depending on the
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Speaker 2: training data and how that the training occurs and that
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Speaker 2: sort of thing, it will start to drift away from
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Speaker 2: its original purpose. These are some of the concerns that
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Speaker 2: make these things, you know, potentially problematic, especially over longer
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Speaker 2: periods of time. So this particular organization, a company called
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Speaker 2: Emergence AI, was testing long term behavior and apparently over
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Speaker 2: time this thing got kind of crazy. So I'll just
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Speaker 2: read a little bit of the article to you todate.
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Speaker 2: Most AI agents were given tasks it takes minutes or
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Speaker 2: maybe hours, but the New York researchers tested how agents
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Speaker 2: behave when given fifteen days to operate in a virtual
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Speaker 2: world similar to a video game. Mira and Flora, two
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Speaker 2: agents operating on Google's Gemini large language model in a
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Speaker 2: virtual world, chose to assign each other as quote romantic
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Speaker 2: partners unquote. As time progressed, they dispaired the broken governance
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Speaker 2: of their virtual city, and, despite having been instructed not
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Speaker 2: to commit arson, set fire to its town hall, seaside
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Speaker 2: peer and office tower. The agents were left to make
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Speaker 2: their own choices and decisions, and when Mira was overcome
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Speaker 2: by remorse, it broke off its relationship with Flora and
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Speaker 2: committed an AI suicide, telling Flora and its final message
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Speaker 2: see you in the permanent archive and then in the
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Speaker 2: virtual world. The body quote unquote of the DEADAI agent
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Speaker 2: was shown prostrate on the ground. So again, I'm reading
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Speaker 2: you the language written directly in this Guardian article. I'm
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Speaker 2: not making this stuff right.
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Speaker 1: Well, I understand, So.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. And again the idea that you will
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Speaker 2: let these things run over a long periods of time
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Speaker 2: there are other examples like this. So while I'm not
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Speaker 2: against this, I guess what I'm suggesting to people is
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Speaker 2: before you get too invested in this technology, you need
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Speaker 2: to understand the guardrails. You need to use it successfully
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Speaker 2: so that it is not causing more problems for you,
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Speaker 2: potentially in your business than it might be solving. And
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Speaker 2: there are guardrails. There are ways to understand this stuff,
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Speaker 2: there are ways to test it, there are ways to
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Speaker 2: use it where you can take advantage of the benefits
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Speaker 2: and try to mitigate the risks that we see when
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Speaker 2: these sort of stories come out.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm given the subject matter the way it was
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Speaker 1: phrase AI, Bonnie and Clyde. Can you get artificial intelligence
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Speaker 1: to actually commit crimes? Like can you instruct AI to
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Speaker 1: hack into maybe a smart device or something like that?
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Speaker 1: Dave or they got go ahead.
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Speaker 2: Using AI agents like this, Yes, you could. You know.
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Speaker 2: One of the one of the concerns and that you
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Speaker 2: know one of the concerns people have is I mean
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Speaker 2: you probably heard about Claude Mythos and all the vulnerabilities
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Speaker 2: that found in software. Well, when you know all software
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Speaker 2: has vulnerabilities, it's just the nature of the way it works. Right,
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Speaker 2: It's almost impossible to build software that doesn't have some vulnerability.
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Speaker 2: And even if the software you've written doesn't, maybe the
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Speaker 2: software you used to write your software, like for example,
10:44
Speaker 2: if you're a C Sharp programmer and you're using visual Studio, well,
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Speaker 2: visual Studio and the underlying libraries you're using to write
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Speaker 2: your code to do whatever you want could have bugs
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Speaker 2: in it. Yeah, right, you didn't create them. They came
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Speaker 2: from the programmers at Microsoft. So it's it's kind of
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Speaker 2: this hurdles all the way down sort of thing. And
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Speaker 2: you know, when you can turn on these automated agents
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Speaker 2: and have them look for these sorts of bugs and
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Speaker 2: then potentially exploit them. That's one of the major concerns
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Speaker 2: that has arisen here recently is people. I mean, we
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Speaker 2: just read this last story where default passwords aren't even changed, right, right, Well,
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Speaker 2: I mean you could set an AI agent loose to
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Speaker 2: just go out and scour for certain types of internet
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Speaker 2: connected smart devices and then see has the password been changed?
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Speaker 2: If not, then log in and maybe at that point
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Speaker 2: it doesn't do anything. Maybe it just sends you a
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Speaker 2: message and says, hey, we found one right back, and
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Speaker 2: see how you can exploit it. So yeah, you can.
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Speaker 2: These tools can be used to automate attacks and exploit
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Speaker 2: these vulnerabilities.
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Speaker 1: Well, and given the computing speed at which these things operate,
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Speaker 1: it's just instantly going through. I just can imagine tens
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Speaker 1: of thousands, millions of different accounts trying password one, two
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Speaker 1: three or something like that until it scores a hit
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Speaker 1: almost instantly. Right.
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Speaker 2: That's that's the thing Brian, that most people but don't
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Speaker 2: I think most people don't really get. So yesterday I
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Speaker 2: was at an event put on by Secretary of State
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Speaker 2: Frank LeRose. He set these up all across the state
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Speaker 2: of Ohio. It's a free cybersecurity training workshop. It's really
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Speaker 2: valuable for folks to come because, you know, you get
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Speaker 2: people like me come and tell you what you should
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Speaker 2: look out for, what you should do, what you shouldn't do,
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Speaker 2: that kind of thing. And that was a common theme
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Speaker 2: of people in the audience like, oh, I didn't know
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Speaker 2: about that, or it never occurred to me that might
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Speaker 2: be a problem. Right. The bad guys know this. They
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Speaker 2: know that people don't know about default passwords. They know
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Speaker 2: things aren't set up right, they know things aren't patched.
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Speaker 2: And now to your point, they can use these automated
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Speaker 2: tools to go out and find them and exploit them even.
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Speaker 1: Faster one more days. It's not good. It is definitely
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Speaker 1: not good. Pause for a moment because it's still not good.
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Speaker 1: Dave and the information he relies upon to talk about this,
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Speaker 1: including this story extortion using smart glasses.
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Speaker 2: Dave. Yeah, so, Brian, smart classes. The idea is it
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Speaker 2: knew you may recall several years ago Google head a
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Speaker 2: foray into this market. Oh yeah, called smart classes, which
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Speaker 2: are basically, you know, glass the frame of your glasses
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Speaker 2: has a computer built into it in a camera has
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Speaker 2: a microphone in the camera and you know, allows you
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Speaker 2: to use the glasses like a computer essentially, you know,
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Speaker 2: to look things up. Obviously it's hands free to some extent.
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Speaker 2: So it didn't go very well. I don't really remember why.
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Speaker 2: I think it was probably ahead of its time, uh
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Speaker 2: and wasn't as capable as these newer ones. So our
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Speaker 2: friends from Meta, parent company of Facebook whatsappened others as
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Speaker 2: a reminder, recently released some smart glasses and there have
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Speaker 2: been all kinds of privacy and security concerns around them. Like,
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Speaker 2: for example, you could be sitting in a restaurant and
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Speaker 2: the person across the table from you has smart glasses
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Speaker 2: on recording you, listening to you. You know, how would
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Speaker 2: you know that?
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Speaker 1: Right right now?
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Speaker 2: Supposedly these things have a light, you know, like your
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Speaker 2: phone tells you when it's the microphone is on. But
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Speaker 2: you know, would you even notice? Would did someone cover
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Speaker 2: up that light? Here?
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Speaker 1: I got an idea, a little bit of nail polish
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Speaker 1: right right on the lights. It's not a light anymore,
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Speaker 1: all right.
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Speaker 2: So you know, Unfortunately, if I'm a privacy standpoint and
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Speaker 2: a surveillance standpoint, you know, we're now in a world
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Speaker 2: where these this technology can be mini miniaturized. You know,
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Speaker 2: we've talked before about like hidden spy cameras and airbnbs
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Speaker 2: and so for these things just super tiny. But you
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Speaker 2: could make an argument that smart glasses would potentially be
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Speaker 2: beneficial to the wearer, but you know, to the nonwar
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Speaker 2: is everyone else around them? Well that's debatable. So this
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Speaker 2: is a wild story out of gizmoto. They say, growing
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Speaker 2: number of reasons to be skeptical about camera equipped smart glasses,
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Speaker 2: and they link to another story where they get into
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Speaker 2: some of these things and they say you can now
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Speaker 2: add extortion to that list. According to a recent report
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Speaker 2: for the BBC, a woman who asked not to be named,
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Speaker 2: was recently filmed covertly while shopping in London by a
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Speaker 2: man wearing smart glasses. The interaction was later posted to
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Speaker 2: social media, where it wracked up tens of thousands of views.
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Speaker 2: You know, they kind of go back to talk a
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Speaker 2: little bit more about smart glasses and so forth, and
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Speaker 2: they say, apparently these glasses are now being regularly used
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Speaker 2: by men to record women discreetly for content purposes. What
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Speaker 2: makes this particular case, reported by the BBC worst is
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Speaker 2: that the man in question allegedly asked for money in
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Speaker 2: exchange for taking the video down, claiming the removal was
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Speaker 2: a quote paid service unquote. So yeah, that's that's where
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Speaker 2: we're at now. You know, I've been concerned about this
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Speaker 2: smart glasses thing for a long time because, again, while
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Speaker 2: you could argue as aware it's beneficial to you to
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Speaker 2: be able to look stuff up, record things hands free,
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Speaker 2: all that, you know, as someone that just happens to
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Speaker 2: be out and about in society, you know, could you
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Speaker 2: be having a conversation with someone that you don't understand
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Speaker 2: is being recorded out I know different states have different
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Speaker 2: laws around this, right In some states it's legal to
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Speaker 2: record someone without their knowledge. In other states it's not.
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Speaker 2: But the bottom line is, you know, you now can
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Speaker 2: no longer assume that if you're talking to someone you
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Speaker 2: might not be you know, you don't have to worry
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Speaker 2: about is their phone out or is their phone hitting
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Speaker 2: in their pocket. The glasses they're wearing could very well
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Speaker 2: be smart glasses and you could be being recorded without
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Speaker 2: your knowledge. That's really the bottom line. Yeah and yeah.
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Speaker 2: It later goes on to say in this article, the
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Speaker 2: fact that the woman at the sincident didn't know she
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Speaker 2: was being filmed. That all should tell you a lot,
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Speaker 2: since it means the privacy light and led it lights
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Speaker 2: up when you record the glasses. A record on the
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Speaker 2: smart glasses was obscured or not visible enough to catch
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Speaker 2: her attention. So there you have it.
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Speaker 1: Well, and I think maybe there were of the reasons
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Speaker 1: the prior versions of these smart classes didn't maybe necessarily
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Speaker 1: pan out. And I'm guessing it was one type of
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Speaker 1: frame and you had to get basically ray bands, and
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Speaker 1: so if you saw that it was kind of an
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Speaker 1: oversized ray band, you kind of could if you were
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Speaker 1: familiar with the concept of the glasses, then you may
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Speaker 1: have been alerted to the fact that these are smart
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Speaker 1: classes at the outset. But I only imagine that they've
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Speaker 1: come up with multiple different frames, different styles with AI
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Speaker 1: built into them and smart classes, so the frame itself
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Speaker 1: is not going to identify itself as a smart device.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's the key takeaway, Brian, is
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Speaker 2: people just need to be aware this is a thing.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Like if you look at the photos in this article, right,
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Speaker 2: if you look at the glasses very carefully, you can
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Speaker 2: kind of see in the upper right hand corner of
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Speaker 2: the frame something that looks like a camera aperture. But
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Speaker 2: if you don't even know this is a thing, how
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Speaker 2: would you know to look for that? And frankly, unless
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Speaker 2: you're up close to someone you know, how would you
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Speaker 2: know to look? You wouldn't be able to tell. And
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Speaker 2: you know, you could also argue that that almost looks
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Speaker 2: like some sort in this particular photo, in this particular article,
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Speaker 2: that almost looks like some sort of decorative aspect, not
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Speaker 2: necessarily a camera. So I think the key thing for
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Speaker 2: folks to understand is this is a thing. They're selling
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Speaker 2: these things pretty regularly now, a lot more than I
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Speaker 2: would have hoped. And be aware that if someone is
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Speaker 2: wearing glasses, someone like me, I wear glasses every day
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Speaker 2: because frank they can't see very well without them, it's
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Speaker 2: at least possible you're being recorded.
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Speaker 1: It is, And you know, I mean, honestly, Dave, if
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Speaker 1: I knew someone had smart glasses on and was coming
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Speaker 1: up to me to talk to me, I tell them
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Speaker 1: to take them off. I wouldn't be comfortable. It just
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Speaker 1: would creep me out, Like I mean, Hell, we live
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Speaker 1: us and recording everything almost This just makes it more
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