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Star Wars Political Talk · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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Speaker 1: Well, hello, and welcome to aggressive negotiations coming at you
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Speaker 1: from the Pirate Tower of l Thal as we are
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Speaker 1: to give you the latest exciting Star Wars talk from
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Speaker 1: none other than Jedi Master Matt Rushing. That's me, and
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Speaker 1: with me my illustrious host and hidden Jedi Master John Mills. John,
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Speaker 2: So do I. So do I, because the only reason
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Speaker 1: What we talking about John. We're not actually here to
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Speaker 1: the nerd Party dot com. We're on Instagram at the
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Speaker 1: Nerd Party. And yeah, I think that's probably it. I
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Speaker 1: feel exhausted from talking about this, John, But the topic
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Speaker 1: that I have for you is actually one that I
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Speaker 1: brought up and I thought it was a really interesting
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Speaker 1: topic because you know, we have had a proliferation of
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Speaker 1: political discussion throughout the last like ten years. Honestly even
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Speaker 1: I would say since the early eighties. This began where
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Speaker 1: discussions were happening at different places than you had seen
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Speaker 1: them before. And so it got me thinking about, like,
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Speaker 1: what would political discussion have been like, and what were
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Speaker 1: the spheres that they might have had. Would it would
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Speaker 1: have been like hollow net shows? I mean, how would
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Speaker 1: that have been in the early republic because I have
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Speaker 1: to think conversations about what was going on in the Senate,
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Speaker 1: people complaining about things on you know, your local hollownet
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Speaker 1: news channels, you know your favorite hollow net podcasters type
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Speaker 1: of thing, Like, what do you think this actually looked
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Speaker 1: like on a galactic sense before Palpatine took over?
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Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, you talk about the hollow net,
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Speaker 2: and immediately I go to the horrors of the YouTube
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Speaker 2: reaction videos and I just can you imagine a hallow
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Speaker 2: neet thing, Oh, where there's a person's hollow image over
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Speaker 2: top of another hollow image with red arrows pointing at
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Speaker 2: everything top ten ways Palpatine borked the Senate this week
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Speaker 2: or something like that. So you initially said in the
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Speaker 2: early Republican, I think that's a good place to start, actually,
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Speaker 2: because I think that in the early days, after hyperspace
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Speaker 2: technology and communications gets established, I think you would have
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Speaker 2: seen an explosion of what we would consider podcasts in
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Speaker 2: the Star Wars galaxy, because the Republic was more of
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Speaker 2: a confederated thing in the beginning, at least according to
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Speaker 2: the lore that we've had, I think you would have
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Speaker 2: seen a lot more outer Rim shows come together and
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Speaker 2: Midrim shows, and then you'd have the occasional you know,
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Speaker 2: interrim Midrim crossover shows and stuff like that. And I
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Speaker 2: think the early days of the Republic you would see
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Speaker 2: I mean, ito'd basically be like ham Radio, which is
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Speaker 2: essentially what podcasting is, which is, you know, just a
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Speaker 2: little bit more structure to it and a little more
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Speaker 2: you know, dual to it. So I think if we're
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Speaker 2: going to start from that point, then I think that
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Speaker 2: political shows and discussion is much more you know, loose
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Speaker 2: in the early days of the Republic. But I think
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Speaker 2: definitely if you were to trace it through time, by
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Speaker 2: the time it gets to the late Republic, I think
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Speaker 2: it would actually wind up being something that would be
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Speaker 2: much more, much more staid. I think that the people
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Speaker 2: in the Republic by the fall of the Republic had
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Speaker 2: stopped paying attention to politics except for the anger and
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Speaker 2: the reaction and being upset. Am I making sense there? Like,
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Speaker 2: so what would have remained would have been the galactic
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Speaker 2: holinet shows and people on the margins just arguing with
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Speaker 2: each other, sort of what we have on social media
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Speaker 2: today sort of stuff.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think I like what you said
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Speaker 1: with the idea of that the the early or day
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Speaker 1: of the Republic, you know, the the idea of what
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Speaker 1: was happening in the Republic would have been a topic
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Speaker 1: of conversation that you would have seen on all of
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Speaker 1: these you know, different types of shows. Uh. And I was,
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Speaker 1: I was just really struck by this because, Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: think you're right. There would have been a lot of
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Speaker 1: things that we know as kind of like podcasts or
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Speaker 1: something like that that would have been available. You know,
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Speaker 1: I think of like every planet, you know, having its own,
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Speaker 1: uh Sunday morning news type shows, you know, where you
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Speaker 1: get the pundits on there talking about what's going on
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Speaker 1: in the Senate and how it's impacting you know, Chandrilla
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Speaker 1: or you know, all the Wrong or any of those
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Speaker 1: type of things. It makes sense that that would be
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Speaker 1: something that would be the case, you know, because you're
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Speaker 1: a republic, you're a part of the process, you know.
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Speaker 1: And and also you have a very vested interest in
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Speaker 1: what's happening there because of how it impacts you and
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Speaker 1: your planet being part of the republic. So that's something
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Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting. And again, you know, obviously
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Speaker 1: in social media didn't even exist when Star Wars was
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Speaker 1: coming out, so that's not even a thought in George
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Speaker 1: Lucas's head as to this being anything that could be
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Speaker 1: a possibility or whatnot. And so and yet and one
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Speaker 1: of the things I think is interesting because we actually
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Speaker 1: do see this though, this idea in and or with
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Speaker 1: what happens on Gorman, where the Gorman Revolution there in
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Speaker 1: the city is being broadcast by news media outlets, and
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Speaker 1: they're all friendly of course at that point to the Empire.
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Speaker 1: But I have to extrapolate that those same type of
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Speaker 1: things were happening in the Republic. So you know, you
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Speaker 1: would have, I think, had all of these different pundits
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Speaker 1: and and and you would have been most likely had
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Speaker 1: you're more extremes on each side, you know, and then
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Speaker 1: you're goind of more middle of the ground people, uh,
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Speaker 1: and and and as I think you rightly said, as
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Speaker 1: we get closer and closer to what we see at
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Speaker 1: the end of Revenge of the Sith, it almost does
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Speaker 1: seem like, at least for what we saw in Courson,
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Speaker 1: that people just stopped caring and really just got sucked
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Speaker 1: into the decadent lives that they were living, at least
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Speaker 1: those who lived on the top side, you know, and
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Speaker 1: everybody else is just suffering.
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Speaker 2: What you said triggered in my brain a line that
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Speaker 2: pad May had that's always been one of my favorite
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Speaker 2: lines in the entire six films that Lucas made, which
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Speaker 2: was this war represents a failure to listen. So I
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Speaker 2: think that people were talking, but nobody was listening, and
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Speaker 2: I think that is definitely a point that seems very
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Speaker 2: valid nowadays.
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Speaker 1: Well, and on top of that, I love that you
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Speaker 1: said that because there's that Clone Wars episode right where
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Speaker 1: she brings out one of her handmaidens or you know,
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Speaker 1: people that works on her staff, right, and what does
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Speaker 1: she do. She uses her as telling her story of
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Speaker 1: what's happening to just the normal people of the galaxy
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Speaker 1: because of this war. She gives voice to that. And yet,
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Speaker 1: like you said, at that point, nobody seems to be listening. Oh,
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Speaker 1: it tugs on their heartstrings for five minutes, but then
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Speaker 1: they forget about it. You know. It's like, oh, they
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Speaker 1: put the you know, the black square in their social media,
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Speaker 1: and then they forget about it, you know, because they're
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Speaker 1: too busy with just the bread and circuses in some ways.
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Speaker 1: And I think that's really really interesting because it is
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Speaker 1: in some ways, even though they don't have the social
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Speaker 1: media aspect in Star Wars, there is a reflection that's
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Speaker 1: happening on us through what we see with the Republic
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Speaker 1: in the prequels, we see in the Clone Wars, what
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Speaker 1: we start to see, you know, after the Clone Wars
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Speaker 1: and in through a ndor, you know. And it makes
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Speaker 1: me wonder, then, John, if you have such an infrastructure,
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Speaker 1: most likely of news outlets and the possibility of hollow casts,
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Speaker 1: you know, that are happening all over the galaxy talking
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Speaker 1: about these things. We know Palpatine wasn't universally loved from
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Speaker 1: day one, and so how do you think he goes
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Speaker 1: about in tracking these people down and making sure that
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Speaker 1: they are silenced in a way that doesn't blow back
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Speaker 1: on him.
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Speaker 2: Oh see, I don't think Palpatine would have bothered silencing
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Speaker 2: people out right, you don't think so. I don't think so.
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Speaker 2: I think that Palpatine what we've seen clearly, and let's
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Speaker 2: look at Okay, I'm going to break down before I
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Speaker 2: move forward to this point, I'll call out it's very
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Speaker 2: easy for all of us to say, like, even when
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Speaker 2: we're looking at Star Wars, people are occupied with bread
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Speaker 2: and circuses, and that is true, but you also have
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Speaker 2: characters like the Martez sisters who are actually just trying
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Speaker 2: to figure out how to survive. They're not trying to
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Speaker 2: change the world because they're just trying to They're like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to play by the rules that I
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Speaker 2: know exist and survive and succeed that way. And I
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Speaker 2: think that's a space where a lot of people exist.
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Speaker 2: And then going forward to the other point about would
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Speaker 2: Palpatine have hunted people down and taken them out? I
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Speaker 2: don't think so. I think that the hollownt proper people
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Speaker 2: would have been afraid of because they would have known
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Speaker 2: that the Empire is listening. What are the odds? I
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Speaker 2: think in that case it sort of becomes like playing
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Speaker 2: the odds about speeding. Are the cops watching? They might be,
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Speaker 2: or they might not be. The threat of being known
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Speaker 2: is enough to make you behave sometimes, and I think
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Speaker 2: that would keep the Hollownet itself a relatively quiet place.
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Speaker 2: But I think Palpatine would have an eye toward being
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Speaker 2: perfectly happy with the idea that people were out there
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Speaker 2: stoking anger and argument, because if people are arguing with
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Speaker 2: each other, they're angry at each other, they're no longer
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Speaker 2: angry at him, and they'll take care of themselves and
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Speaker 2: they'll keep themselves occupied while he's at work doing his thing,
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Speaker 2: and then it's you know what. I'll even give a
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Speaker 2: positive nod to Ghostbusters too, where they talk about the
13:06
Speaker 2: slime under the city. I know, right, controversial, but it's
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Speaker 2: like the slime Palpatine is the slime in New York
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Speaker 2: City and Ghostbusters too. He is a He gets his
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Speaker 2: power from the energy that's out there, and he wants
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Speaker 2: people angry and ticked off. He might occasionally, or the
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Speaker 2: local governor, I should say, might occasionally go out and
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Speaker 2: take care of a couple of rabble rousers who talk
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Speaker 2: too loud, But otherwise it's just more anger and fear.
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Speaker 2: And then every so often you just have to make
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Speaker 2: an example out of somebody, and then that makes people
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Speaker 2: even angrier, and maybe they take action, maybe they don't.
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Speaker 2: But we also know that Palpatine thinks the rebellion doesn't
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Speaker 2: stand a chance against him, and so that's where it
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Speaker 2: winds up backfiring.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's such an interesting thing because I also,
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Speaker 1: again I come back to the idea of and or right,
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Speaker 1: And you have all of the people who legitimately work
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Speaker 1: in the propaganda department, you know SU, and their whole
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Speaker 1: role is to just shape the narrative, and they create
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Speaker 1: the narrative, and then they make sure that all of
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Speaker 1: the sources that you know that want to survive in
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Speaker 1: some ways parrot the narrative. And of course, and so
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Speaker 1: I think that's the other side of that, right, Like,
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Speaker 1: I think you have a really interesting thought that I
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Speaker 1: hadn't really considered before, which is this idea that Palpatine
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Speaker 1: might not have done necessarily anything. I think I might
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Speaker 1: add to that though, I could definitely see Palpatine working
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Speaker 1: to have basically assassins go after people that are maybe
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Speaker 1: too popular or too well spoken on these issues and
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Speaker 1: have them die on what looks like natural causes type
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Speaker 1: of thing. In a way that could never come back
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Speaker 1: to him in that sense, because I don't since you
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Speaker 1: know that Palpatine wants to be challenged in any way
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Speaker 1: so as long as they're in fighting in of themselves.
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Speaker 1: But there were always those people, which is kind of
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Speaker 1: what makes the move then that you get with man
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Speaker 1: Mathma right when she speaks up in the Senate and
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Speaker 1: then you know the speech that we get in Rogue
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Speaker 1: one too, such a dangerous thing to do, and you
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Speaker 1: hadn't seen actually anybody really do that before until she does.
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Speaker 1: And so I think that's really interesting as well, because
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Speaker 1: you do get this to me, that this whole conversation
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Speaker 1: really comes together in the sense that all of the
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Speaker 1: major sources of opposition to Palpatine by that point had
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Speaker 1: really become silent.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think that with your idea, I don't disagree
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Speaker 2: with you. Obviously that Palpatine would have wiped a couple
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Speaker 2: of people out or his you know, the team that
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Speaker 2: did that job would have kept enough of an eye
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Speaker 2: on things. I think that the people that would have
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Speaker 2: been silenced would not have been the talkers, but the
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Speaker 2: provers anybody who did some digging and all of a
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Speaker 2: sudden they were like, oh, look, I've got evidence of
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Speaker 2: a list that Palpatine had. Oh look, I've got evidence
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Speaker 2: of a list that Palpatine had where he is aligning
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Speaker 2: resources for this or something like that. Or somebody uncovers
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Speaker 2: something that's going to be detrimental to keeping order, then
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Speaker 2: they'll take that person out. But otherwise, I mean, it's
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Speaker 2: human nature. I mean, you go back to you know,
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Speaker 2: my own youth. People would just sit around in the
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Speaker 2: neighborhood and they would just you know, that's where cospiracy
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Speaker 2: theories would flourish, and people would debate things at cocktail
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Speaker 2: parties or even at birthday parties or that when the
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Speaker 2: parents are talking in the corner during the Chuck E
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Speaker 2: Cheese party or something like that. It was still happening.
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Speaker 2: But the stuff that would happen even back then is
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Speaker 2: eventually some investigative person would say like, oh look, I've
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Speaker 2: got a box full of documents from this big pharma company,
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Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden their car breaks fail
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Speaker 2: and they're destroyed. You know that type of stuff. I
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Speaker 2: think that's where you and I align is he would
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Speaker 2: have taken people out, but I just think by and large,
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Speaker 2: he would have let people say whatever they wanted to
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Speaker 2: as long as they couldn't prove it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I like that, and I also think
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Speaker 1: that it seems is though, and this would be really
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Speaker 1: interesting to kind of see in you know, the expanded
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Speaker 1: media that they do with books or something, but the
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Speaker 1: way in which Palpatine would use kind of a bread
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Speaker 1: and circuses type of of atmosphere to make people love him,
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Speaker 1: because again, that's a you know, it's something that we
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Speaker 1: see in and or where that when mon Mathma is
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Speaker 1: having conversations with these senators right about the lack of
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Speaker 1: actual are the loss of rights that are being taken
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Speaker 1: away slowly but surely she can see it, but other
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Speaker 1: people just buy into, you know, what's being told to
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Speaker 1: them kind of thing. And you know, we saw the
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Speaker 1: fact that there's that really weird corresponting talk show like
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Speaker 1: The View or whatever something where those the weird two
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Speaker 1: women that we're talking and the you know what's his
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Speaker 1: face as mother's watching, and it's just like so you
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Speaker 1: just get this sense that and I think that would
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Speaker 1: actually be fascinating to see Palpatines propaganda and and you know,
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Speaker 1: publicist spokesperson or whether what is what is being done
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Speaker 1: to ameliorate any you know, perceived issues by the Empire,
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Speaker 1: throwing money at a situation or whatever, you know, just
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Speaker 1: like because at this point, you know, behind the scenes,
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Speaker 1: money doesn't really matter to Palpatine and so and we
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Speaker 1: know he's doing all sorts of things on like Mount
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Speaker 1: Tantas and stuff that's costing who knows how many trillions
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Speaker 1: or quadrillions of credits, and it doesn't even matter that.
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Speaker 1: So what else are they doing to just like throw
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Speaker 1: this pork barrel, you know thing at this plan? You know,
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Speaker 1: like all of that to me, like, you know, we're
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Speaker 1: getting in the real minutia of like the politics of
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Speaker 1: Palpatine and and and how he would ameliorate his takeover
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Speaker 1: the galaxy. But to me, it's just kind of fascinating.
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Speaker 2: No, fascinating. You're talking to the guy. I've told the
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Speaker 2: story I don't know how many times my friends, like
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Speaker 2: we're all bristling at the time, was like, oh, the
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Speaker 2: Senate and the politic they're talking about political machinations and
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Speaker 2: the Phantom Menace, And I'm the one looking at them like,
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Speaker 2: what's wrong with you? That's just fascinating. I want to
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Speaker 2: see that stuff. But I think that where my brain
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Speaker 2: goes and I'd forgotten about the show in and Or
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Speaker 2: that you're talking about, but I remember it now. But see,
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Speaker 2: I'm old enough to remember the McLaughlin Group, which aired
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Speaker 2: on NBC, and anybody who's as old as me is laughing.
20:33
Speaker 2: Anybody who doesn't know what the McLaughlin Group is, go
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Speaker 2: ahead and look it up online. I would love to
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Speaker 2: see a Star Wars show that had something like the
20:45
Speaker 2: McLaughlin Group going on, but with you know, Sat Pistige
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Speaker 2: or Pistage. How do you pronounce his last name? Sat Pistage, Pistage?
20:56
Speaker 2: How do you pronounce that one? I honestly don't know.
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Speaker 2: Somebody over to the nerd party dot com slash contact
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Speaker 2: let me know how the heck am I supposed to
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Speaker 2: pronounce that. I've only ever seen it written. I've never
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Speaker 2: heard it spoken by anybody. Great test, great taste in
21:10
Speaker 2: headwear from that guy, though, really like it anyway. But
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Speaker 2: to see those sorts of you know, a spokesperson like
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Speaker 2: you're talking about Massameta is sitting on this talk show
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Speaker 2: that's being moderated by somebody, and they have these arguments
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Speaker 2: back and forth, and would it have just been something
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Speaker 2: where it's a group of people where basically the debate is,
21:31
Speaker 2: you know, to borrow the joke from Futurama, this new
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Speaker 2: bill goes too far, and I say, this new bill
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Speaker 2: doesn't go too far enough, you know, like that sort
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Speaker 2: of thing where I like, I like, where do you
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Speaker 2: see that show existing? Like I think maybe that what
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Speaker 2: you're talking about in and Or didn't scratch that itch
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Speaker 2: for me? Where what do you see a panel show
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Speaker 2: like that? Or do you see something more like Meet
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Speaker 2: the Press where it's just one one person interviewing rep
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Speaker 2: from the the quote unquote admin from you know, Palpatine's
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Speaker 2: Cabinet or or the Imperial Senate.
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Speaker 1: I mean I absolutely see that show there. And and
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Speaker 1: Or is basically being you know the Corasanti Housewives favorite
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Speaker 1: like the view type of thing. You know, that's just
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Speaker 1: you know, giving uh, the administration's talking points. But I
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Speaker 1: can absolutely see you know, Masa Meda type of person
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Speaker 1: being on you know, a Meet the Press style show
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Speaker 1: to talk about the latest glorias of what the Empire
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Speaker 1: is doing to help you know, the the planet of
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Speaker 1: Slukamai recover from the Clone wars, you know, and and uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, the the the projects on Nuda Pal to
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Speaker 1: the repair the damage done by the clone attack when
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Speaker 1: General Grievous is taken out, and you know, just all
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Speaker 1: of this type of stuff. You could totally see all
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Speaker 1: of those type of things happening in this world.
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Speaker 2: Oh see, I love this idea of Massameta sitting there
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Speaker 2: on Meet the Press style show talking about the controversial
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Speaker 2: moves not to send funding to Fellusia to repair the
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Speaker 2: deforestation from some something that detonated or something like that.
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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, bad, I could I could see that real,
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Speaker 2: real easy. I could also see something like then I
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Speaker 2: get that reaction video on the Holla net in my
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Speaker 2: brain again where it's like, oh, look look what massametas
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Speaker 2: Hocki pelt. But I looked over here red arrow to
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Speaker 2: this picture of another thing. Is that really Massameida? I
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Speaker 2: think that's a fake Massameta. And you know, heck, you
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Speaker 2: could just you can just have shots of the act
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Speaker 2: all the actors who put on the blue makeup and
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Speaker 2: the prequels and it's a body double that sort of thing.
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Speaker 1: Well, and I think in all of this, right, this
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Speaker 1: is the way in which you know, there's that the
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Speaker 1: famous book they thought they were free.
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Speaker 2: Oh that is absolutely required reading for anybody to read.
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Speaker 1: That book, so you know, it's sitting on my desk here.
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Speaker 1: And and but that whole thought process, right, that's how
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Speaker 1: Palpatine worked, and in very in every sense of the word.
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Speaker 1: That was the whole point of the Prequels in the
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Speaker 1: first place, is George talking about the way a republic
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Speaker 1: and a democracy dies and falls into a dictatorship. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: and it's by doing it, by by helping people still
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Speaker 1: think they were free the whole time, until the water
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Speaker 1: is so hot they're boiled alive and it's too late.
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Speaker 2: And so yeah, you get people to ask for it basically.
24:57
Speaker 2: But I think this act. I think that additionally, you know,
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Speaker 2: you're looking at a situation Palpatine says it, you know,
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Speaker 2: for a safe and secure society. That's what people want.
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Speaker 2: And if this is what's going to give it to me,
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Speaker 2: that's what I'm going to do. And that's I'll tie
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Speaker 2: it back to bring it back around talking about like enforcement,
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Speaker 2: you get enough people to buy in that Palpatine is
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Speaker 2: a good You get enough people to buy in that
25:23
Speaker 2: they're tired of war, that they're tired of this, or
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Speaker 2: that you get enough people to buy in they'll take
25:30
Speaker 2: each other out. You don't need to send stormtroopers accept
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Speaker 2: in the most extreme circumstances.
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you know, it's one of those things
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Speaker 1: where you know, and I love these type of discussions
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Speaker 1: that we end up having, and a big part of
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Speaker 1: that is to me, it always reinforces the ways in
25:52
Speaker 1: which the prequels were such a fertile ground and there
25:56
Speaker 1: was so much more for George to explore. And it's why,
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Speaker 1: you know, when people ask, I always have enjoyed the
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Speaker 1: prequel series even more than I did the original series
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Speaker 1: because the amount that you could play with is so
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Speaker 1: much richer, And it's the reason we get to keep
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Speaker 1: having these type of discussions. Gosh, I mean, think about it.
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Speaker 1: It's the reason in which, like when you follow up
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Speaker 1: that period with the bad Batch and then and or,
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Speaker 1: and there's so much richness that can happen there. And
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Speaker 1: it just makes me really thankful that, you know, George
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Speaker 1: Lucas did this, that he gave us these things to
26:41
Speaker 1: be able to talk about it, and it makes a
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Speaker 1: lot of fun. And you know, some days there are
26:49
Speaker 1: days that are harder than others, my friend, and it
26:51
Speaker 1: just makes me glad that we get to sit and
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Speaker 1: talk about this stuff together. But if people wanted to
26:56
Speaker 1: catch up with you, you know, and and find out
26:58
Speaker 1: what's going on with you and all of that kind
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Speaker 1: of thing, where would they find you?
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Speaker 2: Man? Well, gosh, you can find me out there on
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Speaker 2: the wilds of the Internet as Kessel Junkie k E
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Speaker 2: S S E l j U N k I E.
27:10
Speaker 2: I'm mostly active on letterboxed and good Reads nowadays. I
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Speaker 2: watch and I read anything. I don't shy away from
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Speaker 2: anything at all, with the exception of the Terrifier movies
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Speaker 2: because they suck. Well the first one did, so I'm
27:25
Speaker 2: not going to watch the other two. Deal with it anyway.
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Speaker 2: Then you can find me here on the network, co
27:33
Speaker 2: hosting a show called house Lights, where we discuss the
27:36
Speaker 2: work of directors, whether their entire body of work or
27:40
Speaker 2: by decade. We have different ways of looking at everything.
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Speaker 2: I do that with Tristan Merdell and Darren Moser, And
27:46
Speaker 2: you know, I have a habit of appearing as a
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Speaker 2: guest over on a little show called The six ZHO
27:51
Speaker 2: two Club, which I think is a great way to
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Speaker 2: tee up and let people know where they can find you.
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Speaker 1: Matt, Well, you could find me all over social media
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Speaker 1: under the name Matt Rushing zero two. You can also
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Speaker 1: find me here on the network with a completed show
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Speaker 1: called The Outposts, talking about every single chapter the Harry
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Speaker 1: Potter series one chapter of Time. You can find me
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Speaker 1: over on the TFF network in the six so two
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Speaker 1: called Blake, John said, talking about all of those franchises
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Speaker 1: we love outside of Star Trek. And then you can
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Speaker 1: find me with a bunch of great Star Trek talk
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Speaker 1: with the great Chris Jones as we talk about you know,
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Speaker 1: Strange New Worlds and d Space nine and Voyager and Enterprise,
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Speaker 1: and I mean, it's just that the list never ends,
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Speaker 1: so check all of that out. But John, you know
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Speaker 1: what I hear. I hear that wonderful beginnings of that
28:40
Speaker 1: Jedi podcast happening right now. So I think it's time
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Speaker 1: to close these negotiations because I really want to listen.
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Speaker 2: Ironically, it's just somebody playing our own show for us.
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Speaker 2: So Matt, negotiations are closed.
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