Latest / INSPIRE STORY / #088 _STORY INSPIRE: Decisions that transforman with Terry Bradshaw

Transcript

#088 _STORY INSPIRE: Decisions that transforman with Terry Bradshaw · INSPIRE STORY

0:04
Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
0:06
Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
0:14
Speaker 1: Pull up onto the microphone, Mr.
0:16
Speaker 3: Bradshaw. Went up there catching rainbow trout.
0:19
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah? Killed them.
0:22
Speaker 3: I've been up there since our fourth year.
0:24
Speaker 1: You fly fish?
0:25
Speaker 3: Yeah.
0:26
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
0:27
Speaker 3: But you're not fly fishing. You come back in July for...
0:31
Fly fishing. This is fly fishing, but you've got a
0:34
fly bobber. It's a fly. Then you've got that tiny,
0:39
tiny bug. I mean, you can't even see it, and
0:43
that's what you catch them on.
0:44
Speaker 1: So you're using a fly rod, but you have a
0:46
bobber and a little tiny fly.
0:49
Speaker 3: The bobber is basically a big moth or something that
0:55
holds it up.
0:56
Speaker 1: Right, right. It's a bobber, cork, whatever.
0:58
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
1:00
Speaker 1: So it's just a different kind of fly fishing.
1:03
Speaker 3: What you're doing because you're in a boat, you know
1:06
how fast that water's moving.
1:08
Speaker 1: Right. And you just go.
1:09
Speaker 3: Down through there and they move it to the jets
1:12
and jetties and stuff.
1:14
Speaker 1: So you find like the pools where they're waiting. Yeah,
1:17
you go and you just.
1:17
Speaker 3: Find it goes boom. Oh, brown trout. Yeah, it was
1:23
a good time.
1:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, trout fishing is very fun.
1:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
1:27
Speaker 1: Fly fishing is a completely different thing. It's very skillful.
1:31
Speaker 3: I like fly fishing, too. We did that last year
1:34
in July and didn't have nearly— I mean, we didn't catch
1:40
hardly anything, to be honest with you. Yeah. I mean,
1:42
maybe five or six a day.
1:45
Speaker 1: That's a lot for fly fishing.
1:47
Speaker 3: We caught almost 110 hours.
1:49
Speaker 1: Really?
1:50
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:51
Speaker 1: A hundred trout? That's crazy.
1:53
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:54
Speaker 1: Don't say where you were. People are all going to
1:56
swarm that place. No, I don't.
1:57
Speaker 3: I didn't bring my phone.
1:58
Speaker 1: I'd show you pictures. Yeah, it was crazy. Wow.
2:04
Speaker 3: I'll tell you something funny.
2:05
Speaker 1: I carry— Yeah, we're filming.
2:08
Speaker 3: I figured we were.
2:10
Speaker 1: I carry a baby Jesus with me.
2:12
Speaker 3: Let me tell you what happened.
2:13
Speaker 1: You carry a baby Jesus?
2:14
Speaker 3: A baby Jesus.
2:16
Speaker 1: Like from the manger?
2:16
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:17
Speaker 1: It's Jesus. Right. It's Jesus.
2:19
Speaker 3: We call it baby Jesus.
2:21
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay? Oh, so it is just grown-up Jesus. Has
2:24
a beard and everything. Yeah, exactly. Okay.
2:25
Speaker 3: So we're not catching anything. So I reach in the pocket.
2:30
I don't know why, looking for my knife. I don't
2:31
know what I was doing. And I had this baby Jesus.
2:35
Speaker 1: And I said, oh.
2:38
Speaker 3: My son-in-law is in the back. I said, I got
2:39
baby Jesus with me. And I set him on the
2:41
box facing me.
2:47
Speaker 1: You ready, Joe?
2:48
Speaker 3: One, two, three, four, five, six. Six giant rainbow in
2:55
a row. So my son-in-law's in the back. He's going,
2:59
turn baby Jesus towards me.
3:01
Speaker 1: I turned around.
3:03
Speaker 3: I took baby Jesus toward him. One, two, three, four, five, six.
3:10
Speaker 1: I went, nah, this. We caught 12 rainbow fish.
3:16
Speaker 3: Anywhere from 15 to 20 inches.
3:18
Speaker 1: That's big. Yeah, that's big. That's a good rainbow.
3:21
Speaker 3: So the guide, I mean, he got a little tripped out.
3:28
He said, hey, man, you're kind of messing with me here.
3:35
That's kind of got me a little screwed up here.
3:39
Speaker 1: Started laughing.
3:40
Speaker 3: I said, man, you get the power of Jesus in here.
3:43
So we kept it all day. Before I left, I
3:45
gave it to him. So he said, I'm going to
3:46
use this every day. So that's it. It was kind
3:49
of fun.
3:49
Speaker 1: I don't think that's something you should use every day.
3:51
I think that that should be like for special trips.
3:53
You don't want to ask Jesus every day to help
3:55
you catch fish.
3:56
Speaker 3: I don't go fishing every day.
3:58
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right. You know what I'm saying?
4:00
Speaker 3: I didn't need, I wouldn't normally need help. But trout fishing,
4:04
you don't need help. I'm bass fishing and Yeah, I'm
4:08
pretty good on my own, but if things get desperate,
4:10
I'm not, I mean, I don't want to push it.
4:11
You know what I'm saying?
4:12
Speaker 1: I don't want to push it. Oh, by the way,
4:15
Jeff died to me. Say hello. Oh, you know Jeff? Yeah.
4:19
Speaker 3: I did two years of Better Late Than Never with him.
4:23
Speaker 1: Oh, I love Jeff. He's a good dude. Solid dude.
4:28
Man's man. What's with all the whiskey? Did you bring that? Yeah.
4:33
I was wondering.
4:34
Speaker 3: You don't drink.
4:35
Speaker 1: I'll drink. I quit and then I came back. I
4:38
quit for eight months. Not really like I didn't have
4:42
a problem. Just health reasons. I decided it wasn't a
4:44
good thing for you. That's smart. Do you have your
4:46
own Terry Bradshaw whiskey?
4:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've had it now.
4:48
Speaker 1: Come on, son. We've got to have a glass of that.
4:50
Speaker 3: Seven years.
4:51
Speaker 1: Do you drink? Yes. You better. I drink this. You're
4:53
selling whiskey. You better. Yeah, I drink this.
4:55
Speaker 3: Let's have a drink. This is our 12-year that just
4:59
won all the Golden Awards and Spirits.
5:01
Speaker 1: Oh, nice.
5:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, won all of them.
5:03
Speaker 1: So age 12 years?
5:04
Speaker 3: 12 years, 13 now.
5:06
Speaker 1: I was talking with Buffalo Trace about that, and they're like,
5:09
we have a drink.
5:09
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's what you drink. Once you drink this,
5:12
you'll stop drinking that, unless they're a sponsor.
5:15
Speaker 1: They are a sponsor.
5:16
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go.
5:16
Speaker 1: And they're nice guys. Okay. And I respect them. I mean,
5:19
that company's been around longer than the country.
5:21
Speaker 3: Long. Long.
5:22
Speaker 1: Longer than America. Long time. They started in 1773. I mean,
5:26
when you go back to study whiskey. Yeah.
5:29
Speaker 3: Well, they claimed that Elijah Craig was the father of
5:34
bourbon whiskey. And they do research, and then they don't
5:39
have it back that far where they can actually say,
5:43
because Elijah Craig was a preacher.
5:45
Speaker 1: Oh, really? Yeah, so that frees me up. A preacher
5:47
who made whiskey.
5:48
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow.
5:49
Speaker 1: Yeah.
5:50
Speaker 3: Anyway, that's award-winning 12.
5:52
Speaker 1: Jim, can we get some ice and glasses?
5:55
Speaker 3: This is our original. This is our two-year. This is
5:59
the original brand right there. We still have that.
6:02
Speaker 1: What is the original? It's two-year aged? Two.
6:05
Speaker 3: Then with our yeast, we were able to make it
6:08
taste like four to six.
6:10
Speaker 1: Okay.
6:11
Speaker 3: And then we don't do that anymore. And then this
6:14
is the good stuff right here. What's that stuff?
6:17
Speaker 1: This is six-year. Six year? Oh, yeah. So you got 12, 2,
6:21
and 6. Yeah, actually 12, 4. Can you really tell
6:24
the difference? Yeah, absolutely.
6:26
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm going to tell you right now.
6:29
Speaker 1: This is 145 proof. Whoa.
6:31
Speaker 3: Okay.
6:31
Speaker 1: That's a lot.
6:32
Speaker 3: This is 108, 103.8.
6:32
Speaker 1: This is amazing. This is.
6:47
This is a— Why does the older stuff have more alcohol?
6:50
Is it because of the process of aging?
6:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's also— this is a bourbon that— it' s a single-barrel bourbon,
6:57
and when we brought it out, you leave it in there,
6:59
and this is what it turned out to be. Now,
7:01
we could dilute it by simply putting water in it
7:06
and dilute it down. This is 103.8, and it's 51.9
7:08
proof alcohol. This— this— 149. Bust it.
7:20
Speaker 1: Out, Terry. Let's go.
7:21
Speaker 3: If we bust it, how long are we planning on
7:23
talking today?
7:23
Speaker 1: Let's talk for a couple hours. We may not be
7:26
able to make a couple hours. We'll give it our
7:28
best shot. Okay, we'll do our best.
7:29
Speaker 3: Who's got a knife? Who can open this?
7:31
Speaker 1: I don't have a knife here. Jamie got a knife? Oh, yeah.
7:36
Speaker 3: So we started this.
7:37
Speaker 1: You know what I noticed coming over here today? A
7:41
lot of tattoos in here.
7:46
Speaker 3: Yes.
7:46
Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of tattoos. You mean the building? Jamie's tattoo-free.
7:51
Speaker 3: Yeah.
7:51
Speaker 1: A lot of tattoos. He's been thinking about getting my
7:53
face tattooed on his back. Are you still doing that, Jamie?
7:56
Speaker 3: Is that like a bullseye?
7:58
Speaker 1: Stand up. We made a deal. I'll do his face.
8:02
He'll do mine. Oh, my God. Anyway. And I'll have, like,
8:05
young Jamie and, like, gothic script on my back.
8:08
Speaker 3: You know, the thing about bourbon, I don't know how
8:10
to explain it. I don't know why I fell in
8:12
love with bourbon. I find it to be... First of all,
8:16
it's the only thing that's—it's only in America. Bourbon is
8:22
only bourbon if it's in America. Right. And I think
8:25
it's only bourbon if it's made in Kentucky.
8:29
Speaker 1: A lot of Kentucky people feel the exact same way.
8:31
Speaker 3: I mean— you ready?
8:33
Speaker 1: Yes, sir. Okay. Let's go. Time to party.
8:36
Speaker 3: I'm just going— this might be the best show you ever have.
8:41
Speaker 1: All right. I'm excited. Yeah. You will be.
8:44
Speaker 3: After you drink that.
8:45
Speaker 1: Let it sit. Smells good.
8:46
Speaker 3: Let it sit.
8:47
Speaker 1: It smells good. Let it sit. This is the 12-year-old stuff.
8:51
And what is it called?
8:52
Speaker 3: Bradshaw bourbon.
8:53
Speaker 1: That's the name. Can I see?
8:55
Speaker 3: Here's the thing about the 12-year-old.
8:56
Speaker 1: Can I see the bottle?
8:57
Speaker 3: We only have.
8:59
Speaker 1: Bradshaw bourbon. Look at that.
9:01
Speaker 3: We only have 15 cases left.
9:05
Speaker 1: 15 cases, I think they told me.
9:07
Speaker 3: So this is a limited edition, and then we have
9:10
to come out with some new stuff, but This is
9:12
actually 13 years old now.
9:14
Speaker 1: So you obviously started this project a long time ago.
9:18
Speaker 3: Right.
9:18
Speaker 1: I did. You've been aging it for 12 years. Well,
9:21
I did. Cheers, sir. Thank you for being here. Here's
9:23
to you, Joe.
9:23
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
9:24
Speaker 1: My pleasure. Thank you. What happened? I don't know why.
9:28
I went to my... Hey.
9:34
Speaker 3: Wow. You got to let it sit.
9:36
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's got to kick.
9:37
Speaker 3: We're going to try this, and then we'll try this.
9:39
Speaker 1: Okay.
9:39
Speaker 3: And you'll definitely see the difference. But I was going
9:42
to my— I went to my dad.
9:43
Speaker 1: Who's father— Someone's driving me home today. My father's father
9:46
was an alcoholic.
9:48
Speaker 3: And I went to my dad prior to him passing,
9:51
and I said, Hey, Dad, what would you think if
9:53
I got into the spirits business? And he says, You
9:56
know what I think. And I went, Well, I'm just
9:59
asking you. And he says, absolutely not. And I said, okay.
10:03
So I shut her down. My dad died, oh, wow,
10:08
it's 12 years ago he died. My mother died two
10:12
years ago. So anyway, so after his passing, two or
10:18
three years, four years, I was sitting around and I
10:21
was trying to, I remember William Cohen, Secretary of State
10:25
William Cohen, he says, what do you do to make
10:28
a living? I said, well, I work on Fox. I'm
10:30
a broadcaster. He says, is that it? I said, well,
10:32
I'm a horse and cattle breeder. I raise registered cattle
10:36
and I'm in the breeding business, training business of quarter horses.
10:39
He said, oh, okay. He says, is there anything else?
10:42
I said, well, I get public, I speak for corporations.
10:47
So he was Trying to find out, and he took
10:51
a liking to me. He says, basically what he was
10:53
telling me, you should brand yourself and not have to
10:55
travel so much. Yeah. Because I travel. 250 days last
10:59
year we traveled.
11:00
Speaker 1: That's a lot.
11:01
Speaker 3: That's a lot. But my wife travels with me, so
11:03
that's good.
11:04
Speaker 1: That helps. Yeah.
11:05
Speaker 3: What do you want to do with baby Jesus? Let's
11:07
sit him right here.
11:07
Speaker 1: Sit him right there. See if any fish flop out
11:10
of the sky.
11:10
Speaker 3: I got him facing you. We'll see what happens. And
11:14
anyway- And so he said, basically, you ought to brand yourself,
11:17
get into something that you can. And I said, well,
11:19
I don't really know anything. I know football. I can
11:23
talk football. I know how to make people laugh. I
11:27
know how to give speeches to major corporations and build
11:31
a program in the speeches.
11:33
Speaker 1: I know quarter horses. I know how to select horses,
11:39
show horses.
11:40
Speaker 3: I know how to train them. I don't do that,
11:43
but I have a trainer for all that now, and
11:45
I have people for the breeding part of it. And
11:47
I said, in cattle, I know the bloodlines and things
11:52
of that nature, but I got people doing that. So
11:54
I just got this. I never forgot that. You know,
11:58
that's William Cole. He's a pretty smart dude. And so
12:02
we're—I'm home. I think it was kind of a rainy day,
12:07
and I'm sitting there, and my little brain's going. I'm going,
12:10
you know— What do you want to do? For some
12:13
reason I was going, what do you want to do?
12:14
Because I remember one time I got real uncomfortable because
12:18
I didn't have a normal job. So I ran into
12:21
this guy that owned this cosmetic company. And I said,
12:24
do you have a job? Could you hire me to
12:26
teach me the cosmetic industry?
12:28
Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, yeah.
12:30
Speaker 3: He gave me $ 5, 000 a month. So I had to
12:34
go to work and put a tie on and a
12:36
coat because I.
12:37
Speaker 1: Wanted to be like everybody.
12:39
Speaker 3: Everybody goes to work but me. I'm playing golf in
12:44
between speeches, which may be a week, two weeks apart.
12:47
So I got two weeks of golf, and I just
12:50
got— When was this?
12:51
Speaker 1: This was 30 years ago. So 30 years ago, you
12:55
decided to get into the cosmetics business? Yeah. Just to
12:59
do something? I wanted to be— I wanted to have a job.
13:03
Speaker 3: Really?
13:03
Speaker 1: I know. Wow. I wanted to have a job.
13:07
Speaker 3: I wanted to be like— I think I wanted to see—
13:11
I wanted to see how America works. People get up
13:15
and kiss their kids goodbye and their wives or husbands
13:19
and they go off to work. And I, for some reason,
13:22
I felt guilty.
13:24
Speaker 1: I didn't have a job.
13:25
Speaker 3: I know it's stupid.
13:26
Speaker 1: I know. It's interesting.
13:28
Speaker 3: So I got a job. Now, here's the thing, Joe.
13:32
My office was right on the road across the street
13:36
from the golf course I was a member of, and
13:38
I was watching my buddies come up the fairway, and
13:42
I'd stand at the window, and I'd look at them,
13:45
and I'd go, I should be playing golf with those
13:49
guys right now. Yeah.
13:53
Speaker 1: How long did you last?
13:53
Speaker 3: Two months.
13:56
Speaker 1: I couldn't stand it. I'll tell you, man, I couldn't
13:59
stand it. Most people can't.
14:01
Speaker 3: But I can't explain it other than I just felt
14:06
guilty that, you know, people say, well, athletes, they got,
14:11
you know.
14:11
Speaker 1: It's true.
14:12
Speaker 3: They got all this money and they got this and
14:14
they got that.
14:14
Speaker 1: You smoke cigars, Terry?
14:16
Speaker 3: I do.
14:16
Speaker 1: You want one? Yeah, I do. All right, let me
14:18
get you one. I want a really good one.
14:22
Speaker 3: You got them?
14:22
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
14:24
Speaker 3: Hey, I love, hey, that's my wife. I've got the only,
14:29
I'm probably married to the only wife who lets me
14:32
smoke in the house. Really?
14:34
Speaker 1: You married? Yes, I can't smoke in the house. Oh,
14:37
see there? Everything you see in this place is because
14:41
I can't do anything at home. All the elk heads
14:43
and all the crazy artwork and Jimi Hendrix and all
14:46
that jazz.
14:46
Speaker 3: Yeah.
14:47
Speaker 1: It's like I let her decorate the house. Yeah. You
14:50
know what I mean? It's beautiful. It's very– my house
14:54
would look like a 16-year-old boy won the lottery. That's
14:57
what it would look like.
14:58
Speaker 3: Well, I can understand that. I don't know why. Racing
15:00
simulators and– I don't know why my wife lets me smoke.
15:05
Speaker 1: She loves you. Yeah. Oh, you're saying yours don't. No,
15:10
mine loves me too, but we make concessions.
15:12
Speaker 3: Okay.
15:13
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? But I have a pool room,
15:16
like where I play pool.
15:17
Speaker 3: In the house?
15:18
Speaker 1: No, it's out. Oh, outside. Out in the barn. And
15:21
I go out there and I smoke. I have a cigar.
15:25
This one, sir. Oh, bless you. Yeah, this is good.
15:29
Speaker 3: You smoke Cuban cigars?
15:30
Speaker 1: I do when I can get them. But you know
15:32
what I mean? There's a lot of them that aren't
15:34
even really Cuban. They're lying to you. There you go, sir.
15:40
I think out of all the counterfeit stuff.
15:42
Speaker 3: This is going to be the greatest interview I've ever
15:44
been a part of. Not only are we going to
15:46
drink award-winning bourbon, Bradshaw bourbon, by.
15:49
Speaker 1: The way, and we're smoking this amazing cigar. Yeah, shout
15:53
out to Foundation Cigars. Wow.
15:55
Speaker 3: What is this?
15:57
Speaker 1: Dominican, I believe. No, Nicaraguan. Yeah. Is it Our Fathers?
16:02
Is it Our Fathers? The name of the company?
16:04
Speaker 3: Yeah.
16:05
Speaker 1: No, it's Foundation. Foundation Cigars.
16:08
Speaker 3: I've got to get the name right.
16:09
Speaker 1: This is called the Tabernacle. This is his.
16:11
Speaker 3: Foundation Cigars.
16:13
Speaker 1: Yeah. Good, right? Legit, right? Yeah.
16:16
Speaker 3: If I had your kind of money, I could afford these.
16:18
Speaker 1: Also, I'm going to send you a box. Give them
16:21
to me for free. Seriously? Yeah, he's a friend of
16:23
the show.
16:24
Speaker 3: Can I get like a monthly delivery?
16:26
Speaker 1: I bet he will. I bet he will. Just make
16:29
a little Instagram post or something. He'll be happy to
16:31
hook you up. I got this friend. He built our house.
16:34
Speaker 3: Huge elk hunter, which I know you are. And so
16:37
he goes out and he shoots this massive elk. I mean,
16:42
this monster. The bottom of his horn was like this
16:46
big around.
16:47
Speaker 1: Just massive.
16:49
Speaker 3: Seven by seven.
16:50
Speaker 1: In Idaho? New Mexico. New Mexico is big.
16:53
Speaker 3: Joe.
16:54
Speaker 1: Extraordinary big elk in New Mexico.
16:56
Speaker 3: Yeah. Shot him with a bow. He's a bow hunter
16:58
like you. And so he brings it home. Now, he's
17:01
got his fireplace, all right? He's got two over here.
17:06
Speaker 1: Two over here.
17:09
Speaker 3: Well, you got to balance it up, right?
17:11
Speaker 5: Right.
17:11
Speaker 3: One right in the middle. So he gets his horn.
17:15
Speaker 1: You got the European mount? Yes.
17:17
Speaker 3: That's what he does. So he gets his stepladder. He
17:20
got his horn.
17:22
Speaker 1: He's got the screw in the wall or whatever you
17:24
do to hold it.
17:25
Speaker 3: And he's putting it up. And he's looking at it.
17:29
And he's like, oh, this is good. This is good.
17:35
He takes a ladder, and he moves it out. He
17:36
gets in his chair, and he's admiring his trophy.
17:40
Speaker 1: And it falls down. No, no, no, no, no. The
17:43
wife walked in.
17:44
Speaker 3: Oh, no.
17:45
Speaker 1: And she says, what are you doing? He goes, look, babe,
17:48
seven by seven. Look, two, two, one in the middle.
17:52
Perfectly balanced wall. I want that out of here. What?
17:56
Speaker 3: I want that out of here. Get that out of here.
17:58
That's not going up there.
18:00
Speaker 1: Get it out of here.
18:02
Speaker 3: He had to take it down. You know where it
18:04
is now?
18:04
Speaker 1: Where is it now? Garage.
18:06
Speaker 3: I know.
18:07
Speaker 1: That kills him. That's not good. I said, give it
18:10
to me. I'll hang it in my living room.
18:12
Speaker 3: My wife doesn't care.
18:13
Speaker 1: That's not good.
18:14
Speaker 3: Massive. Get it out of here. That's not what you
18:18
want to hear.
18:19
Speaker 1: Fight night is here. Title shots, debut killers, and the
18:23
rising contender nobody's talking about yet. And only DraftKings has
18:27
you covered every step of the way. The DraftKings app
18:31
is now available in all 50 states and includes all markets,
18:35
bringing the game straight to your fingertips wherever you are.
18:40
No matter where you're watching, you're always connected and in
18:44
the game with one app. New DraftKings customers, sign up
18:47
with the code ROGAN, spend $ 5 to get $ 200 in
18:51
rewards within 21 days. That's code ROGAN in partnership with DraftKings.
18:57
The crown is yours.
18:58
Speaker 2: $ 50 in predictions dollars issued weekly for three weeks expire
19:01
in one year. Redeem one non-withdrawable reward. Availability varies. Predictions
19:26
offer void in New York. Ends June 28th. Terms at DKNG.co
19:30
slash audio.
19:30
Speaker 1: I only have one in my house. It's the first
19:32
one I ever killed.
19:33
Speaker 3: Yeah.
19:34
Speaker 1: I have that on my wall. That's pretty impressive.
19:36
Speaker 3: You shoot an elk or anything with a bow and arrow,
19:39
you're close.
19:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of work, man.
19:41
Speaker 3: Yeah.
19:42
Speaker 1: It's not easy. It's not easy, but I look forward
19:46
to it every year like nothing else. You go out
19:48
for two weeks, a week? A week. Usually a week,
19:51
a week at a time, yeah.
19:52
Speaker 3: You go to Mexico?
19:54
Speaker 1: I haven't been to New Mexico, but I want to.
19:57
New Mexico is like the Gila Mountains out there. That's
20:00
supposed to be like. One of the best elk. That, Arizona,
20:05
spots of Utah just for volume, spots of California.
20:08
Speaker 3: Montana's got big elk.
20:09
Speaker 1: Montana's huge elk. I don't know about Wyoming.
20:11
Speaker 3: I know Idaho.
20:12
Speaker 1: Wyoming has big elk. Utah has huge elk.
20:14
Speaker 3: I'm not an elk hunter, but I know all this
20:16
because the one time I went elk hunting, I gave
20:19
my trainer, my horse trainer, my tag.
20:22
Speaker 1: Oh, really? And I just followed him. Oh, wow. Yeah,
20:25
it was cool. And he shot this huge six by six. Oh,
20:28
that's cool. So you gave him the tag and just
20:29
went along with it?
20:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just went along, stayed behind when they had,
20:33
we got down, you know, crawling around. It was, hey,
20:37
it's an impressive animal.
20:39
Speaker 1: You've never done it? I don't hunt. You don't hunt
20:41
at all, just fish?
20:42
Speaker 3: I can't hunt. I don't like to shoot stuff.
20:45
Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah. I get it.
20:46
Speaker 3: I'll kill a snake in a heartbeat. Okay. Or I
20:50
even have a hard time killing a mouse. Yeah.
20:53
Speaker 1: Really?
20:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what it is.
20:55
Speaker 1: Snakes scare me. Centipede?
20:57
Speaker 3: I'll crush a centipede for all he's worth. Then put
21:00
him in a grinder in the kitchen. Grind that sucker up.
21:04
He might still be alive. You ever been to Hawaii
21:07
and got a hold of some centipedes? Joe, Joe, Joe,
21:11
hear me loud and clear.
21:14
Speaker 1: They're dangerous. Yeah, some of them are, yeah. Oh! Yeah. Oh,
21:17
they're gross. Yeah.
21:18
Speaker 3: Yeah.
21:19
Speaker 1: So.
21:20
Speaker 3: No, I'm not a hunter. My brother's a hunter. My
21:22
dad was a hunter. All my uncles are hunters. I
21:25
don't know why I never did hunt.
21:27
Speaker 1: Hey, nothing wrong with that. You don't have to do it.
21:29
It's not necessary. You could always go to the grocery store.
21:32
I do that. Yeah, but if you wanted to get
21:34
it yourself. I enjoy. It's like fishing. I'll go fishing
21:40
with you. I don't have to fish.
21:42
Speaker 3: I love to fish. I don't have to fish as
21:44
long as you're catching fish and having a good time.
21:46
That's as much fun for me.
21:47
Speaker 1: Oh, mercy.
21:48
Speaker 3: Whoa.
21:50
Speaker 1: A big island man caught a foot-long centipede. That dude
21:54
caught that on the big island of Hawaii?
21:56
Speaker 3: Hey, check that out.
21:57
Speaker 1: Hey, bud, look here.
21:59
Speaker 3: Right here.
22:00
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I didn't know they got that big. Is
22:04
that an invasive one or is that– that can't be
22:06
native to Hawaii, is it? Hawaii giant centipedes.
22:11
Speaker 3: Whoa.
22:12
Speaker 1: Is there a secret to this? Yeah, you flip the
22:15
top the other way. There you go. That's it? Pull
22:20
that button down? Oh, this? Yep, there you go. Sorry
22:23
about that. No worries. That one, for some reason, that
22:26
lighter confuses the shit out of people.
22:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a pretty good lighter, too. Yeah. Yeah, that
22:32
was gross, huh?
22:33
Speaker 4: Ugh.
22:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have no problem killing sunbees. You just
22:36
don't want to kill an animal. I get it. Yeah. Yeah,
22:39
I don't. But the thing is, if you don't kill them,
22:41
they get killed by something. It's usually either winter or
22:43
mountain lions. We raised 27 mallard ducks, my wife and I.
22:47
You raised them? Raised them. Raised them.
22:50
Speaker 3: And so I told her this morning flying down here
22:52
to Austin. So I told her, I said, we've got
22:54
five ducks left. What happened to them?
22:59
Speaker 1: Stupid ducks.
22:59
Speaker 3: Now, we live way out in the country. What they're
23:02
doing is coming out of the lake. Walking through the field,
23:05
crossing over the road.
23:07
Speaker 1: Oh, they get crushed.
23:07
Speaker 3: And they're getting hit.
23:08
Speaker 1: On the road.
23:09
Speaker 3: Oh. Why? Why, I have no idea. But we have
23:14
five left out of 27.
23:15
Speaker 1: Are you raising them for eggs? No, we're just raising
23:18
them for fun. For fun?
23:19
Speaker 4: Yeah.
23:19
Speaker 1: Just to have ducks hanging around? Yeah, with ducks. That's cool.
23:21
Speaker 3: We have ducks, chickens, guineas.
23:23
Speaker 1: Duck eggs are interesting. You ever have them?
23:25
Speaker 3: I'm not eating a duck egg.
23:26
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
23:27
Speaker 3: They're darker yolk. I know that. You ever had a
23:29
guinea egg?
23:30
Speaker 1: Guinea... What is it? Guinea hen.
23:33
Speaker 3: Guinea hen, yeah.
23:34
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so.
23:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
23:36
Speaker 1: It's good for you, but— The duck eggs are weird. They, like,
23:40
coat your mouth. You know what I mean? Like, when
23:44
you eat them, it just tastes different, but apparently it's
23:46
massively high in protein.
23:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were talking about eating buffalo and elk, you know,
23:52
coming in today. And I said, well, I've had buffalo,
23:56
and that elk that my trainer killed— I can have
24:01
all of it I want, and I got one little steak.
24:05
My wife won't let me cook it.
24:07
Speaker 1: She won't let you cook it?
24:08
Speaker 3: So I have it. So it's still sitting there. There's
24:12
no wild game in the house.
24:14
Speaker 1: See?
24:15
Speaker 3: I know.
24:16
Speaker 1: But it's just meat.
24:17
Speaker 3: I know. You met her earlier, didn't you?
24:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, she seems like a lovely lady. She is a
24:21
lovely lady.
24:22
Speaker 3: I don't understand why she has a problem.
24:24
Speaker 1: With wild game.
24:24
Speaker 5: When we leave here today, go and say, hey, Tammy,
24:27
how about we go over to the house and have
24:29
a nice little, A little elk steak and, you know,
24:33
that ain't going to happen.
24:35
Speaker 1: Some people have a bad misconception about wild game. You know,
24:39
they think that it smells bad or tastes bad.
24:41
Speaker 3: I think it's taste.
24:42
Speaker 1: I don't like deer. Really?
24:44
Speaker 3: I don't like deer.
24:45
Speaker 1: I like buffalo. I think it's how it's prepared. I
24:48
guarantee you if you had deer from someone who prepares
24:51
it well. Do you eat duck?
24:52
Speaker 3: You eat duck?
24:53
Speaker 1: Yes, I do.
24:55
Speaker 3: We tried to cook some duck.
24:57
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was horrible. See, this is what we're talking about. No,
25:00
I think it's just how you're preparing it, really. I
25:04
don't know. I do know this. Mr. Chow's got some
25:08
of the best duck I've ever had. Right.
25:10
Speaker 3: Mr. Chow's in Los Angeles, Beverly Hills. Yeah.
25:13
Speaker 1: That's where I eat duck. Fantastic duck. Yes.
25:16
Speaker 3: Yeah.
25:16
Speaker 1: Now, that's good duck. I think they probably do a
25:18
better job of preparing it. That's all it is.
25:21
Speaker 3: We tried to do the roux, the roux that you
25:23
cook duck in.
25:25
Speaker 1: Yeah.
25:26
Speaker 3: It ended up looking like tar.
25:28
Speaker 1: Right. Do you guys, but do you know how to cook? Well,
25:31
we thought we did.
25:35
Speaker 3: We found that. Is your wife a good cook? Is
25:37
your wife?
25:38
Speaker 1: Yes, she is. She is. Anthony Bourdain went on this
25:41
duck hunt with these guys and cooked the duck for
25:43
them because they were complaining that duck doesn't taste good.
25:46
And he got mad at them. He's like, listen, listen, listen.
25:48
Don't say that. It's not that duck doesn't taste good.
25:51
It's just you don't know what you're doing. And on
25:53
the show, he prepares it for them. Got it. And
25:55
they're like, this is fantastic. Yeah. That's how you're supposed
25:57
to prepare duck. It tastes really good if you do
26:00
a good job.
26:00
Speaker 3: Mr.
26:01
Speaker 1: Charles got it down. Yeah, they do. They're chefs. Professionals.
26:05
Speaker 3: But my wife and I, we got it out of
26:07
the computer.
26:09
Speaker 1: Oh, okay. You got a recipe. Yeah.
26:10
Speaker 3: Yeah. So we got– a friend of mine sent us
26:14
five mallards.
26:15
Speaker 1: Right.
26:15
Speaker 2: Yeah.
26:16
Speaker 3: I think we got two of them out because we
26:17
didn't know what we were doing. Do they cook down
26:19
and you don't have a half a bird or what?
26:21
I don't know. So you got to make a roux, right?
26:25
Speaker 1: You know, the sauce. Right, the sauce.
26:28
Speaker 3: So we got the big pot out and we're putting
26:31
this in, that in, this in, that in. Now you
26:35
heat it, get it this and that. Then you stir,
26:37
add this and that. And we stir and we stir.
26:39
And the more we stir, I end up looking like
26:41
a rubber tire.
26:42
Speaker 1: It was horrible. It was seriously— But, Terry, I want
26:50
you to think about it this way. Imagine if someone
26:52
learned how to play football from YouTube. Never played football before. Oh,
26:56
let's figure out how to play football. We're going to
26:58
watch a YouTube video on how to play football. And
27:00
then they went out there and had a fucking terrible game.
27:02
They looked like shit, right? That's the same thing. It's
27:05
like you learn how to cook from a recipe if
27:09
you don't know how to cook.
27:10
Speaker 3: I've got a book out called The Bradshaw Family Cookbook.
27:14
Speaker 1: So you can cook.
27:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't cook stuff like that.
27:19
Speaker 1: I make a roux. Now, my son-in-law, you met Noah?
27:23
Speaker 3: Yes.
27:24
Speaker 1: He's a world-renowned, not a world-renowned, but he's voted the
27:28
number one chef in Dallas. Oh, wow.
27:30
Speaker 3: Yeah. He's from Hawaii.
27:32
Speaker 1: What restaurants does he cook at in Dallas? Ham's. They
27:36
hire him. Oh, okay.
27:38
Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
27:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, sure.
27:39
Speaker 3: They hire him. He goes out and cooks for companies
27:43
and people. Okay. It's amazing. As a matter of fact,
27:46
I called him yesterday after church, and I said, I
27:49
always mess up pork, pork chops. I love pork chops,
27:53
but I screw them up. And he said, what's your
27:55
gut temperature at? I said 350. He said 20 minutes,
27:58
take them off. That's all I needed to know.
28:01
Speaker 1: Perfect. It's beautiful.
28:04
Speaker 3: Yeah.
28:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just got to learn how to do it.
28:06
Speaker 3: That's all it is.
28:07
Speaker 1: But it's not that the duck tastes bad.
28:09
Speaker 3: Here's the bad thing about it. I know my banker
28:11
who's the one I got the ducks from. His name
28:13
is Drake Mills.
28:15
Speaker 1: His name is Drake.
28:16
Speaker 3: Drake. Drake Ducks.
28:17
Speaker 1: And he has ducks. Ducks. He's a duck hunter. But
28:20
his name is Drake. Drake. Yeah.
28:22
Speaker 3: That's kind of crazy. I know, but he's serious.
28:25
Speaker 1: How ironic.
28:26
Speaker 3: Serious duck hunter. Serious. He plants 500 acres of rice
28:29
to shoot ducks.
28:31
Speaker 1: Oh, he's serious.
28:32
Speaker 3: Okay. Then he's on the phone with me bitching. It's
28:35
80 degrees.
28:38
Speaker 1: Ducks don't, I mean, they aren't coming in at 80 degrees.
28:40
Speaker 3: Right. His rice, and he's got water issues.
28:43
Speaker 1: Does he know how to cook duck?
28:46
Speaker 3: I guess. He's never asked me what I want to eat.
28:48
He's a duck, but I asked for some duck. He
28:53
told me one day he had plenty of duck. And
28:56
I said, well, Tammy, we don't shoot stuff, but I
28:58
like duck.
28:59
Speaker 1: So he sent us five duck, ducks, you know.
29:05
Speaker 3: So that's what you cooked.
29:06
Speaker 1: That's what I cooked. Cooked his ducks. Did you ask
29:09
him how he cooks it?
29:10
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so, no.
29:12
Speaker 1: Probably should have.
29:12
Speaker 4: No.
29:13
Speaker 1: Probably a good idea. Well, I mean, the book. Right.
29:17
The book.
29:17
Speaker 3: Come on, Joe.
29:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, books are okay. The book says a quarter of something. Really,
29:21
the right way to do it is to learn from
29:22
someone who is a really good show.
29:24
Speaker 3: I got to take a break here. This is pretty
29:25
dang good.
29:26
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. Have you had any more? I have.
29:28
Speaker 3: Cheers. We need to bump again.
29:29
Speaker 1: Let's go.
29:30
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, when this is over with, you'll be
29:33
sitting over there and I'll be sitting over there.
29:34
Speaker 1: Let's try it. It's got quite a kick, I'll tell
29:38
you that. There's a lot in there. You can tell.
29:40
it's 135 proof. Oh, it's good. I think duck cooking,
29:44
like I've heard people say that wild game tastes bad.
29:48
It's the best tasting meat in the world. It's just
29:50
how do you cook it. You eat turkey, wild turkey? Yes,
29:53
I've had wild turkey.
29:54
Speaker 3: Dang.
29:55
Speaker 1: Oh, you're crazy. No. It was delicious.
29:57
Speaker 3: I mean, the only way wild.
29:58
Speaker 1: Turkey, you eat squirrel. I've had squirrel. Yeah.
30:01
Speaker 3: Now, see, I grew up on squirrel. Now, you tell
30:03
my wife that or you tell any of my kids that.
30:05
Speaker 1: Oh, God. This is a lot like chicken, right? It's
30:08
a lot like chicken. Is that a joke? Wouldn't you agree?
30:10
Speaker 3: You're a stand-up comedian.
30:11
Speaker 4: Yeah.
30:11
Speaker 1: Is that funny? No, it's kind of chicken-like. It's almost like.
30:15
Speaker 3: A— Squirrels taste like chicken?
30:16
Speaker 1: Well, it's not like a red meat. Do you eat
30:19
the brain? I have not eaten squirrel brain.
30:21
Speaker 3: Yeah. None the brain.
30:22
Speaker 1: I've had lamb's brain before. Yeah, my Uncle Vinny used
30:27
to cook it. He used to slice up. They used
30:29
to sell it in the grocery store in New Jersey.
30:31
They'd slice up a lamb's skull with the brain inside,
30:34
like sliced in half, and they'd put two halves on
30:36
the grill, and they would cook lamb's brains on the grill. Hey,
30:40
I was like 10. I don't know.
30:43
Speaker 3: That wasn't my idea. My brother and I used to
30:45
fight over the squirrel head.
30:47
Speaker 1: The squirrel head you used to fight over? I don't
30:48
want to gross out our viewers out there. Too late.
30:54
Speaker 3: You take them and you hit them with a spoon
30:57
and rip it. Crack it open. Delicious. Now, would I
31:01
eat one today? No.
31:03
Speaker 1: How old were you when you were doing this? I
31:06
know at least 15, up to 15.
31:08
Speaker 3: Yeah. I didn't think anything of it.
31:11
Speaker 1: Brains are sketchy. Eating brains can get you in trouble.
31:16
Speaker 3: Can I honestly say this? Is this the first interview
31:18
ever done where eating brains has been brought up?
31:21
Speaker 1: Probably not.
31:22
Speaker 3: Oh, not?
31:22
Speaker 1: Have we talked about eating brains before?
31:24
Speaker 3: We have, yeah.
31:25
Speaker 1: We have? Yeah, definitely.
31:27
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not special. I thought I'd be special today,
31:30
but evidently not.
31:32
Speaker 1: I think we talked about it in terms of what
31:34
mad cow disease is. Mad cow disease comes from them
31:37
feeding cows cows. It's basically the same disease that cannibals get. Yeah.
31:43
Speaker 3: I'm not familiar with that. I know about mad cow disease.
31:46
They got another one going on right now in South Texas.
31:50
Some kind of disease.
31:51
Speaker 1: Oh, the screw worm. Yeah, Bruce told me about that.
31:54
Which New world screw worm. Me, you, horses, dogs. Yeah,
32:01
it's apparently a huge problem. They had it in America,
32:05
I think in the 80s, and they pushed it back.
32:08
They got rid of it. So hopefully they can get
32:10
rid of it again. But it's apparently a really dangerous parasite.
32:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a parasite. I mean, I got in trouble
32:18
one time for saying people were having during the COVID thing,
32:23
they were taking... Ivermectin. You may have taken Ivermectin. And
32:27
I gave– I didn't know any better. I thought I knew,
32:31
but I didn't know. But Ivermectin, I used to give
32:35
it to the cattle. Right.
32:38
Speaker 1: That's what– Yeah.
32:39
Speaker 3: And I had a– now, speaking of brains, this is true.
32:42
We were in Hawaii. I run into a brain surgeon.
32:46
And he says, are you okay with the COVID thing?
32:49
And I said, I had it. Got over it. You know,
32:54
I'm all right now. And he says, well, he says, boy,
32:57
he said, I'll take ivermectin, man. I said, brain surgeon.
33:01
And I said to him, obviously, I said, really? It's
33:06
a cattle dewormer. Ivermectin kills parasites. So I just left
33:13
it at that. And I walked out of there going,
33:14
brain surgeon? I never could rationalize that kind of thinking, but,
33:20
you know.
33:20
Speaker 1: Well, you know, ivermectin won the Nobel Prize for human beings,
33:23
for use in human beings.
33:25
Speaker 3: No, I didn't know that.
33:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good for yellow fever, dengue fever. It's an
33:30
antiparasitic that also has antiviral properties.
33:34
Speaker 3: I didn't know that. Obviously, I wasn't as well informed
33:37
as you are.
33:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I got in trouble for it.
33:40
Speaker 3: So did I.
33:41
Speaker 1: Well, I got in trouble, like, publicly, like on CNN.
33:44
The White House talked about it during— I got over–
33:48
you don't know the story. And for the people that
33:50
know the story, I'm sorry. I have to repeat it.
33:52
But during the pandemic, I got COVID and we had–
33:56
me and Dave Chappelle were doing a show in Nashville
33:58
and I had to cancel it because I had COVID.
34:01
And so I made a video saying that I feel better,
34:06
but we have to cancel the shows. I had COVID.
34:08
I was sick for a couple of days, but now
34:10
I'm fine. And I explained all the stuff that I took.
34:13
I took a bunch of stuff, monoclonal antibodies. And one
34:15
of the things that I took was ivermectin. So it
34:18
became this huge thing on CNN because they wanted everybody
34:20
to get vaccinated. So they had all these different people
34:24
saying that I was taking horse dewormer. Well, it's human
34:27
medication prescribed to me by my doctor who also took ivermectin,
34:32
also got COVID, also got better. And he didn't take
34:34
all the stuff that I took. I took a bunch
34:36
of stuff, but they changed the color of my skin.
34:39
They made my skin look green on CNN. No bullshit.
34:43
Speaker 3: Oh.
34:43
Speaker 1: No bullshit. They AI'd you. They literally put a filter
34:47
on my face to make me look green.
34:49
Speaker 3: They would put a cow's head over me. I honestly
34:54
did not know that a human.
34:58
Speaker 1: Takes ivermectin. But I will say this. It was actually
35:00
invented for humans.
35:01
Speaker 3: I actually didn't know that, and I'm thankful that I
35:04
didn't argue with anybody. He wasn't the only one that
35:07
told me that.
35:08
Speaker 1: Well, the problem was that was a narrative that was
35:10
all over the news, is that it was horse dewormer.
35:12
And if you're a person who works with animals, with horses,
35:15
with cows. I only knew it was cattle. It is
35:17
a dewormer, but that's like saying penicillin is a veterinary medicine. No, well,
35:21
they use penicillin on animals. They also use penicillin on humans.
35:26
It's like it's medicine. We're mammals. We have similar medicines.
35:29
That's what ivermectin is. It's it stops viral replication. And
35:33
that's the benefit. But was it proven to stop? Was
35:36
it proven? There's a ton of studies. There's a lot
35:38
of people that have written books. I'm not the guy
35:39
to talk about it. But there's a lot of evidence
35:43
that the reason why they were not telling people to
35:45
take ivermectin is because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated.
35:47
And I got one over here. Thank you. But the
35:49
reason why they wanted to get everyone to get vaccinated
35:51
is not because it was effective. It's because they wanted
35:53
to make a lot of money. And that's what they did.
35:56
Speaker 3: Well, when you're talking about drugs, you're talking about a
35:58
lot of money.
35:59
Speaker 1: A lot of money. Yeah, a lot of money. So
36:03
that's why it's ironic that you brought that up because
36:05
I got caught in the crossfires of the ivermectin bullshit.
36:08
Speaker 3: And see, I– but I– You knew more about it
36:13
than I did because being a farmer, it's all I
36:16
used it for.
36:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very effective as a dewormer.
36:20
Speaker 4: Yeah.
36:20
Speaker 1: But it also stops viral replication.
36:23
Speaker 3: But I wasn't going to take it. I don't care
36:25
if they just said this is– I wasn't going to
36:27
take that.
36:27
Speaker 1: You wouldn't take it even if it was prescribed to
36:29
you by your doctor?
36:31
Speaker 3: Well, that would be a different story.
36:32
Speaker 1: Right. Well, mine was prescribed to me by my doctor.
36:34
Speaker 3: But I'm married to a doctor, and my doctor said
36:37
we're not taking it.
36:37
Speaker 1: Really?
36:38
Speaker 3: But I took– I'm one of those guys that if
36:41
they say– I mean, When I got COVID, I was
36:48
sitting in my dressing room at Fox.
36:53
Speaker 1: Felt fine. Felt fine.
36:55
Speaker 3: We got tested. Every Sunday morning, we got tested. They
36:59
came in and said, you got to go. You got
37:00
to leave.
37:02
Speaker 1: What happened?
37:03
Speaker 3: Oh, you got COVID.
37:06
Speaker 1: Did you get sick? No.
37:09
Speaker 3: Oh.
37:09
Speaker 1: Now, here's the thing. Okay. Here's the thing. The question...
37:14
that came to.
37:15
Speaker 3: Mind later was, okay, the guy that drove me over here,
37:19
the guy that's going to take me to the airport,
37:21
how am I getting home?
37:22
Speaker 1: Right.
37:23
Speaker 3: Do I stay here in the hotel for 10, 12 days?
37:26
That was my dilemma. What do I do? But I
37:29
did get sick.
37:30
Speaker 1: You did eventually?
37:31
Speaker 3: I did, yeah.
37:32
Speaker 1: You got real sick?
37:33
Speaker 3: It took me about four days and I got real sick. Yeah.
37:35
Speaker 1: Did you do anything during those four days? Were you
37:38
taking vitamins? Nothing?
37:39
Speaker 3: No.
37:39
Speaker 1: Why not?
37:40
Speaker 3: I don't take vitamins.
37:41
Speaker 1: What?
37:42
Speaker 4: Really?
37:43
Speaker 3: No.
37:43
Speaker 1: How come? You're married to a doctor?
37:46
Speaker 3: I never have taken vitamins.
37:48
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Really? No. Even when you're playing?
37:50
Speaker 3: No.
37:50
Speaker 1: I take a B12 shot.
37:51
Speaker 3: Okay.
37:51
Speaker 1: Well, that's a vitamin.
37:52
Speaker 3: But I give it to myself.
37:54
Speaker 1: You give it to yourself?
37:55
Speaker 3: Yeah.
37:55
Speaker 1: Intramuscular?
37:56
Speaker 4: Yeah.
37:57
Speaker 1: Okay. A little tube. We take it after practice.
37:59
Speaker 3: Had them in a big bag. We take them.
38:01
Speaker 1: Okay. That's good for energy. Yeah.
38:03
Speaker 3: Tired.
38:03
Speaker 1: Hot. Tired. But no. Sure. A lot of other vitamins, too, though.
38:07
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with MRI machines, PET scans.
38:11
Speaker 1: Surgery.
38:11
Speaker 3: Now, I got a bad hip right now. I'm telling you, Joe,
38:14
it's killing me. Yeah. And I got it injected.
38:18
Speaker 1: With stem cells?
38:20
Speaker 3: No, no, I don't do stem cells.
38:22
Speaker 1: Why not?
38:22
Speaker 3: I don't believe in stem cells.
38:24
Speaker 1: You don't believe in them?
38:25
Speaker 3: No.
38:25
Speaker 1: But you believe in that little baby Jesus?
38:27
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
38:28
Speaker 1: This I do believe in. Go ahead and laugh.
38:32
Speaker 3: Joe, you don't want to laugh when I got baby
38:34
Jesus pointing at you. You better cut that laugh.
38:36
Speaker 1: Listen, bro. You better shut that down. If you and
38:38
I go fishing, I'm going to beg you to point
38:40
that baby Jesus my way.
38:41
Speaker 3: No, no, no. I'm going to give you one.
38:42
Speaker 1: I got hundreds of these. If we go fishing, I
38:45
really want to point my way. I believe that little
38:48
baby Jesus works. But my question is, how come you
38:51
don't believe in stem cells?
38:55
Speaker 3: I had too many people. Based just on people that
38:59
went and did stem cells. Uh-huh. And what happened? They
39:03
went back and did it again.
39:05
Speaker 1: Okay.
39:05
Speaker 3: Did it again.
39:06
Speaker 1: Right.
39:07
Speaker 3: Then what happened?
39:08
Speaker 1: What happened?
39:09
Speaker 3: They went back and did it again.
39:10
Speaker 1: Okay.
39:10
Speaker 3: Then what happened?
39:11
Speaker 1: What happened?
39:12
Speaker 3: They went back and did it again.
39:13
Speaker 1: Got it.
39:14
Speaker 3: Okay. Right.
39:14
Speaker 1: Why'd they keep going back?
39:15
Speaker 3: Because it didn't work.
39:17
Speaker 1: Okay. Didn't work at all?
39:18
Speaker 3: Same symptoms came.
39:19
Speaker 1: No, no, no.
39:20
Speaker 3: It worked for a little bit.
39:21
Speaker 1: Right. Well, what are these people dealing with? What's wrong
39:23
with them? They're going back and back and back. Mostly-
39:28
Knees and ankles. Okay. So you're probably talking about arthritis.
39:32
Speaker 3: Yeah.
39:32
Speaker 1: You're probably talking about degenerative knee conditions, ankle conditions. So
39:38
the amount of damage that you're trying to repair with
39:41
stem cells, you're going to get a little bit of
39:43
benefit in something like that if it's that far gone.
39:45
But stem cells work.
39:46
Speaker 3: I don't, you know, good. I'm glad. I'm glad they work.
39:50
You do stem cells?
39:51
Speaker 1: A hundred percent.
39:53
Speaker 3: What hurts?
39:54
Speaker 1: I had a rotator cuff tear that completely went away.
39:56
Speaker 3: Now that's at least a year.
39:58
Speaker 1: That's what you say. At least a year. I had
40:00
a full length rotator cuff tear. I got stem cells
40:03
shot into it. A full tear. Full tear. My doctor
40:06
told me I 100% was going to need surgery. I
40:09
went to an orthopedic surgeon that the UFC recommended. So
40:13
they sent me to their guys.
40:13
Speaker 3: If I finish this, Joe, excuse me.
40:15
Speaker 1: Please go.
40:15
Speaker 3: But if I finish this, I'm probably going to believe you.
40:18
Speaker 1: You don't have to believe me or not believe me.
40:20
I'm telling the truth. So I went to this doctor.
40:22
He said, you have a full length rotator cuff tear.
40:25
You're going to need surgery. He goes, you could rehab
40:26
it if you want. You could try. Maybe make it
40:28
a little bit better. But ultimately, you're just putting off
40:31
the surgery. So I get this stem cell treatment in Vegas. Dr.
40:34
Roddy McGee hooks me up with the stem cell treatment.
40:37
And then six months later, he gives me an MRI
40:40
and he says- The rotator cuff tear is completely gone.
40:43
He goes, I've never seen anything like this in my life.
40:45
He goes, it's gone. Literally, the tear doesn't exist anymore.
40:49
You had baby Jesus in your pocket. No, I had science.
40:53
Speaker 3: All right.
40:54
Speaker 1: Hey. It works. You'd be silly to ignore breakthrough science
40:59
like this because there's a reason why so many people
41:02
are doing it. And the reason why so many people
41:03
are doing it is, look, it's not a miracle. It's
41:05
not going to fix things that are unfixable. Like bone-on-bone arthritis.
41:09
It's not going to fix that. That's what I'm dealing with.
41:11
But it might reduce some of the inflammation and give
41:12
you at least temporary relief, which is why these people
41:15
keep going back again and again and again.
41:17
Speaker 3: When I got cancer, I had to do certain treatments.
41:22
And I have rheumatoid arthritis. Now, if I were still
41:25
on my rheumatoid arthritis medicine, which I haven't been for
41:29
three years now, I probably wouldn't be having the pain
41:33
that I'm having. But you can't take the rheumatoid arthritis
41:37
after you have radiation. And so do you want to
41:43
risk that?
41:43
Speaker 1: Right, right.
41:44
Speaker 3: Plus I kept getting all these cancer things.
41:49
Speaker 1: So you had two types of cancer, right? You had
41:51
skin cancer.
41:51
Speaker 3: I had bladder and Merkel cell, which is 2% of
41:54
America has Merkel cell. Both of them, the bladder cancer was,
42:00
I went to a doctor in Dallas. He checked me
42:06
and he says, well, you got a little blood in
42:08
your urine, but that's fine. That's normal or something like that.
42:12
And I kept complaining. Finally, I told my wife, I said, boy,
42:16
Something's not right. So she researched and found the best
42:19
doctor was at Yale University, Yale. So I went up
42:23
to New Haven, Connecticut for testing. Went in, exploratory biopsy,
42:28
came out and said, you got bladder cancer.
42:32
Speaker 1: Wow.
42:33
Speaker 3: That's a funny story about that. Funny story. Now, there's
42:36
nothing funny about cancer. But the last time I got divorced,
42:41
you ever been divorced?
42:42
Speaker 1: No. Okay, good.
42:43
Speaker 3: Good for you.
42:44
Speaker 1: So the last time I got divorced....
42:47
Speaker 3: My wife calls me and she says, I need for
42:50
you to sit down. I don't love you anymore. I
42:53
want a divorce.
42:56
Speaker 1: Oh. All right.
42:57
Speaker 3: End of that story.
42:59
Speaker 1: Right.
42:59
Speaker 3: So my wife, the wife's sitting outside. After she gets
43:03
the reports, I didn't know she got the report. She says, honey,
43:07
I need for you to sit down. I ain't sitting down.
43:12
Speaker 1: I don't want another divorce. That's the first thing. It
43:17
flashed into my head. The last time I heard a
43:19
woman tell me, sit down.
43:21
Speaker 3: I need for you to sit down. My ass was
43:23
out of there at 5 o'clock that afternoon.
43:25
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Boy. Hey.
43:28
Speaker 3: That's a lot.
43:29
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wouldn't sit down. Bad day.
43:32
Speaker 3: She said, you got bladder cancer.
43:33
Speaker 1: And I said, all right. All right. At least we're
43:35
not getting divorced.
43:36
Speaker 3: I can deal with bladder cancer.
43:37
Speaker 1: I can't deal with another divorce. You want to hear
43:40
a crazy story about stem cells and bladder?
43:43
Speaker 3: Let me ask you something.
43:44
Speaker 1: Can I stop you? Let me tell you something about
43:46
stem cells. They made a bladder for this woman out
43:49
of stem cells. She had some sort of a bladder issue.
43:53
I don't remember if it was cancer or what it was,
43:54
but she had to have her bladder removed. They made
43:56
a completely new bladder for her out of stem cells
44:00
with her own skin tissue, put it back in her body,
44:04
and now that's her bladder. So stem cells work.
44:08
Speaker 3: Did that make the news? Yeah.
44:09
Speaker 1: Oh, sure. There's articles written about it. Yeah, they're on
44:11
the show. Peer-reviewed papers on it. She's been here? No,
44:13
she has not been here, nor has the doctor that
44:15
did it. But I'm aware of the story.
44:17
Speaker 3: It's like putting it in a bowl and you grow
44:19
it in a bowl.
44:20
Speaker 1: I don't know how they did it because I'm a moron,
44:22
but someone very smart.
44:23
Speaker 3: I'm totally a moron when it comes to stuff like that.
44:25
Speaker 1: Someone very smart figured out how to make a bladder
44:28
for this woman.
44:28
Speaker 3: But if it works for you and you believe it,
44:29
who am I to call?
44:30
Speaker 1: What do you mean believe it? She's got a bladder now.
44:33
Speaker 3: No, if you believe, fine. But I mean— Fine.
44:37
Speaker 1: That's good. Listen, if you ever get injured, holler at me.
44:40
I'll bring it away as to, well, get you some
44:42
stem cells, and then we'll have another conversation afterwards. You're like, wow,
44:45
it fixed it. We're not arguing here. No, we're not arguing.
44:48
What I'm saying– But I just– There's real reasons why
44:53
these people travel to Tijuana and go to these different places.
44:57
Speaker 3: And they die in Tijuana.
44:58
Speaker 1: Yeah.
45:00
Speaker 3: What was the great actor that went to Mexico to
45:03
have all the stem cells done?
45:05
Speaker 1: Who did that?
45:06
Speaker 3: He was the ghost. What was his name?
45:11
Speaker 1: The actor. He went to Mexico and died?
45:15
Speaker 3: Two actors went down there for stem cells. When stem
45:18
cells first came out, you know, they wouldn't do it.
45:20
Remember when they wouldn't do it in America?
45:22
Speaker 1: Yes.
45:22
Speaker 3: So they were going to Germany and they were going
45:25
to Mexico.
45:26
Speaker 4: Yeah.
45:26
Speaker 1: Germany was a lot for Regenequin. Yeah. They were going
45:29
for different procedures.
45:29
Speaker 3: Because I know Fred Couples was going to Germany.
45:32
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Kobe Bryant went to Germany. Peyton Manning
45:35
went to Germany. They went to Germany for Regenequin, which
45:39
is like a very— that' s not stem cells as much. That's
45:42
something— What is it? It's a very advanced form of
45:45
platelet-rich plasma, like PRP. It's like PRP, but it's way
45:49
more effective. I had that done, too. That cured a
45:52
bulging disc for me.
45:53
Speaker 3: Now, one of the things they're doing now, and I
45:55
don't know what it is. I don't know how we
45:57
got on this, by the way, but— Stem cells. Yeah.
46:00
But— Cancer is now— what' s it called? Where you go in,
46:06
they spin your blood, and they then put it back
46:08
in you. What is that called?
46:11
Speaker 1: Do you know what it is?
46:12
Speaker 3: PRP?
46:13
Speaker 1: Is that what it is, PRP? That's what we were
46:14
just talking about, rich plasma? Then put it back in? Yeah. Yeah.
46:19
Speaker 3: Interesting. Look.
46:20
Speaker 1: Well, there's a bunch of different things. Plasma, phoresis, it's
46:22
another thing. They take the plasma out.
46:25
Speaker 3: I don't know why. And I'm not sitting here— I'm
46:29
not sitting here saying, hey, Joe, you're crazy. All right.
46:33
Speaker 1: You did it. You wouldn't be the first. No. You
46:35
did it.
46:36
Speaker 3: You believe in it. It happened for you. You know.
46:39
Speaker 1: All right.
46:40
Speaker 3: I don't mind taking a shot. I'll take a shot
46:42
all day long. Okay. You put anything in your body
46:45
with a needle?
46:46
Speaker 1: Anything? Not anything. I mean, I'm pretty careful about it. Yeah.
46:51
Speaker 3: I would hope so. Yeah.
46:53
Speaker 1: I don't just try it out.
46:54
Speaker 3: No.
46:54
Speaker 1: Let's see what happens when I put this in my
46:56
body with a needle.
46:56
Speaker 3: Yeah.
46:57
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, it's.
46:59
Speaker 3: Look, I got a sister-in-law that's totally this way and
47:03
I'm totally that way. You're one way and I'm– that's good.
47:06
That's what makes the world go round.
47:07
Speaker 1: What does a sister-in-law do? What do you mean? What
47:09
does that mean? Is she a liberal?
47:14
Speaker 3: No, absolutely not. Very much Republican conservative.
47:18
Speaker 1: Okay. So how is she different than you?
47:21
Speaker 3: Well, if it works and I think it's going to work,
47:26
I'm not afraid to try it. Right. I was, when
47:31
I got diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and I'm laying in
47:35
a hospital and they take me and they isolate me.
47:38
Isolate me. Because they didn't know what was wrong with me. Test, test, test, test. Boy,
47:46
I'm in a hurry. Then to go in and do,
47:51
I want to say stem cells. I want to say
47:54
it because that's the first thing that comes to mind.
47:56
Went into my knee. And I sat in the hospital
48:01
for two more days and felt fine. And then they
48:04
released me and I went home. And I was home
48:08
one day and in the middle of the night I'm
48:10
screaming and hollering in pain. My wife, she gets up
48:14
and thank God at that time I owned a plane
48:18
so I could get on the plane and get back
48:20
to Florida. And got down there and that's when they
48:23
found out I had rheumatoid arthritis. and they had to
48:28
bring a specialist in to find out what the hell
48:29
was going on with me.
48:30
Speaker 1: So is it only the knees?
48:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, only the knee.
48:33
Speaker 1: Okay.
48:34
Speaker 3: Only the knee. That's where the knee... I never... There's
48:37
no rheumatoid arthritis in my family. None.
48:40
Speaker 1: You can't find it anywhere. But isn't rheumatoid arthritis systemic?
48:43
When most people have it, don't they have it everywhere?
48:46
That's what I thought. Well, yeah, but look at... But
48:49
if you have it in your.
48:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, but look. This finger's just turning. That thumb's just
48:53
now turning. My hand's... Right now, because I don't take
48:58
any medicine, the only thing that hurts in the morning
49:01
before I take– do you take Celebrex? Do you believe
49:04
in Celebrex?
49:05
Speaker 1: What is Celebrex?
49:06
Speaker 3: Anti-inflammatory.
49:07
Speaker 1: No, I don't take that.
49:08
Speaker 4: Okay.
49:08
Speaker 3: I take an inflammatory in the morning.
49:10
Speaker 1: That's all I can take.
49:11
Speaker 3: Okay. I take an anti-inflammatory. And that takes about 80%
49:15
of the pain away. It doesn't hurt anywhere else. Now
49:19
my hip is starting to kill me. My ankle was
49:24
killing me.
49:25
Speaker 1: How many years did you play football for? 14. 14 professional.
49:28
Speaker 3: That's high school, junior high, high school, college, professional.
49:33
Speaker 1: And I played back in the 70s when I mean,
49:37
come on.
49:38
Speaker 3: Shit hit the fan back then. Right.
49:40
Speaker 1: What were the surgeries like back then?
49:42
Speaker 3: I mean, it was tough.
49:44
Speaker 1: Back then, they'd shoot you up. You're going to play.
49:48
That's how it was.
49:49
Speaker 3: You're going to play. When I pulled my stomach muscles
49:53
and they would shoot me up before the game, and
49:56
then at halftime, I'd get shot up again. What were
49:59
they shooting you up with? Stomach block.
50:01
Speaker 1: I tore the oblique. You tore your oblique and they
50:05
just made you keep playing?
50:06
Speaker 3: They didn't make me, but I wanted to keep playing.
50:09
Speaker 1: What were they shooting you up with? Cortisone or something?
50:11
Speaker 3: I don't know.
50:14
Speaker 1: Joe, I'm not a doctor. Come on, man. Are you
50:16
a doctor? Hey, let me just say this.
50:18
Speaker 3: I can play.
50:19
Speaker 1: All right.
50:20
Speaker 3: I didn't have a problem with it. Okay.
50:22
Speaker 1: It worked. Scary.
50:23
Speaker 3: You don't want your legs up in the air and
50:26
some doctor coming in there and didn't give it, didn't
50:28
give it a thought at all. You know, just it's,
50:33
it's kind of the way it was. It's, It was
50:36
the unspoken.
50:38
Speaker 1: Bravado. Got it.
50:40
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Football players, they,
50:42
back in the, can you imagine the 50s and the 60s?
50:45
Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness. Jeez Louise. Well, what year did you
50:48
start playing professionally?
50:49
Speaker 3: 70?
50:49
Speaker 4: 70 what?
50:49
Speaker 3: 70? 70? 1970. Wow.
50:50
Speaker 5: Yeah.
50:50
Speaker 1: I'm 77.
50:50
Speaker 2: Wow.
50:51
Speaker 1: You're what?
50:51
Speaker 3: 50? 58.
50:51
Speaker 1: 58. Almost 59. Yeah. I'm 77. Yeah.
50:54
Speaker 3: Wow. Super 78.
50:55
Speaker 1: Wow.
51:02
Speaker 3: So I just didn't think anything about it. I said, well,
51:04
how did you get used to all that? I grew
51:06
up with it. When you grow up with it. It's normal.
51:09
Speaker 1: Normal.
51:10
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's all part of it.
51:12
Speaker 1: You play.
51:12
Speaker 3: And as a quarterback, I think back then or any time,
51:15
quarterbacks play. Coach has got to know that he can
51:18
rely on his quarterback to be out there no matter what.
51:22
Speaker 1: And I even had one coach say, hey, you always
51:25
play hurt. You always play hurt. Yeah, I do. Shoot
51:30
me up.
51:32
Speaker 3: Block it.
51:33
Speaker 1: Shoot me up with stuff. Yeah, let's have it. Stuff, yeah.
51:37
Speaker 3: You don't ask what it is.
51:40
Speaker 1: You want to hear us.
51:42
Speaker 3: We played Cincinnati one year, and the night before the game,
51:46
there's a lineup of players going into a room to
51:50
be shot up. Whoa.
51:52
Speaker 1: Yo. Yeah. It's just normal. And you don't know what
51:57
they were shooting them up with? Well, we played, didn't we?
52:01
I told you, stuff. And you didn't think anything of it. Nobody.
52:07
Speaker 3: Right.
52:08
Speaker 1: It was just normal. Normal. Normal. You got to play.
52:11
Speaker 3: Yeah.
52:12
Speaker 1: He's a doctor. Hey, it's part of the, you know
52:15
what everybody is. Did they have steroids back then? Yeah,
52:19
they did.
52:20
Speaker 3: I just didn't know why one player was built like Atlas.
52:27
Speaker 1: Skin tight, muscles bulging. Didn't know, you know.
52:32
Speaker 3: Didn't know anything about it. Howie Long. You never had
52:34
Howie on? Howie's amazing.
52:35
Speaker 1: No, I've never had Howie on.
52:36
Speaker 3: Howie's amazing. Now, Howie tells this story. He was a
52:40
rookie defensive tackler. No, defensive end at this time. He
52:44
lined up over our tight end, Larry Brown, whose arms.
52:46
Speaker 1: Were this big around.
52:48
Speaker 3: And he had like a 22-inch waist, massive legs, ripped,
52:52
every muscle. You could see the muscles in it.
52:54
Speaker 1: It's just.
52:55
Speaker 3: most gorgeous body on a human being you've ever seen.
52:59
And he put his arm down, you know, getting in position.
53:04
And Howie lined up over him, and Howie tells us
53:06
how he's the best. And Howie goes, you've got to
53:09
be effing kidding me.
53:12
Speaker 1: He said he'd never seen anything like that.
53:15
Speaker 3: So I'm not saying Larry did steroids or anything like that,
53:19
but he was something else.
53:20
Speaker 1: But he might have. Might have.
53:22
Speaker 3: I don't know.
53:23
Speaker 1: It might have. Some people were.
53:24
Speaker 3: Yeah.
53:24
Speaker 1: What year did steroids enter into sports?
53:27
Speaker 3: Well, I think it became an issue after the 70s, correct?
53:32
Speaker 1: Well, it was an issue in the Olympics. And one
53:34
of the things they were noticing was Eastern Bloc women. Hey,
53:39
I'm going to do an interview. Okay, Nancy. They were
53:42
very womanly. Yeah. They seem to. And then those women
53:47
reported about it. They talked about it back in the day,
53:50
you know, that they were forced to take steroids and
53:52
it ruined their life. Not good for you. That's for sure. Oh,
53:56
especially for a woman to take hyper male. For sure.
54:00
You and I could probably sit here.
54:05
Speaker 3: And talk about certain athletes that have had such a
54:07
body change.
54:09
Speaker 1: All right. Yeah, for sure.
54:11
Speaker 3: And go.
54:14
Speaker 1: You've got to be kidding me.
54:16
Speaker 3: And then I think rightly or justifiably so, it was
54:23
probably due to steroids. We wouldn't want to say that.
54:25
Speaker 1: I'd say it, yeah. Well, I know a lot of
54:28
guys who have taken steroids, especially because of the early
54:31
days of the UFC. Everybody was taking steroids. And Pride
54:35
in Japan, everyone was taking steroids. Not everyone, but most people.
54:41
Rampage didn't, but there's a good percentage of people that did.
54:43
Speaker 3: And while you found out But you found out later
54:45
that steroids are not good for you. They soften the tendons,
54:48
the ligaments, and then all of a sudden these athletes
54:51
start having problems. They start getting hurt. They start getting hurt.
54:54
Speaker 1: Start getting hurt. I think what happens is the muscles
54:58
are too strong for the tendons. Because tendons take too long.
55:02
They don't grow at the same pace as muscle tissue
55:04
does when you're on steroids. They don't have the same
55:06
sort of circulation.
55:07
Speaker 3: I don't know anything about steroids. I don't know the
55:09
dynamics or the physics of it.
55:11
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
55:14
Speaker 3: I know the muscles get big, but the tendons don't.
55:16
Speaker 1: Grow to match the muscles? Exactly. It takes longer for
55:21
tendons to strengthen. Tendons don't have as much circulation. They
55:24
don't have a good blood supply. That's why it's so
55:26
hard when a tendon gets injured to heal. So what
55:30
happens a lot of times is these guys develop these
55:32
massive muscles, and they can move so much more weight,
55:35
but the tendons haven't really caught up to what the
55:37
muscles can do. A lot of times these guys wind
55:40
up blowing out tendons.
55:41
Speaker 3: I mean, that wrestling bunch, I mean, every one of
55:44
those guys looked like an Adonis.
55:46
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, especially back in the day. Hey, Schwarzenegger. Schwarzenegger. Yeah. Well,
55:51
he's open about it. He took a lot of steroids.
55:53
You know what? We know it. Someone say it. Yeah.
55:57
We're not stupid. Well, that's a sport where it's required.
56:00
If you want to be Mr. Olympia, there's no way
56:02
to get that kind of a body without steroids. It
56:04
doesn't exist.
56:05
Speaker 3: What about the WrestleMania bunch? You were part of that?
56:10
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't a part of that. Not at all? No, no, no.
56:14
But I'm sure a bunch of those guys probably take
56:16
it too. That's how you get big. And if you're
56:19
a wrestler and you want to be a professional wrestler,
56:23
you want to be this hulking figure, there's one way
56:25
to do it. You've got to take steroids. It's not
56:27
a normal physique for someone to attain.
56:30
Speaker 3: And you don't get tested for it.
56:31
Speaker 1: Exactly. That's why the early days of the UFC, there
56:34
was no testing. And then When it started getting sanctioned,
56:38
then we were tested by athletic commissions, and then eventually
56:41
the UFC realized we've got a real problem where these
56:43
guys are figuring out how to beat the athletic commission's
56:46
testing because it's only one day. So it was really
56:49
more– they would call it an intelligence test rather than
56:52
an IQ test.
56:53
Speaker 3: Yeah.
56:54
Speaker 1: And so then they started using USADA, and USADA would
56:57
just randomly test people, and then they started catching people.
56:59
And that's when physiques really changed.
57:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, I– you know, that year– I'll say that year
57:07
when those baseball players were hitting 60 home runs like
57:11
it was nothing.
57:11
Speaker 1: Yeah.
57:12
Speaker 3: And you're looking at them and you're going, sheesh.
57:15
Speaker 1: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Summer is great, isn't it?
57:20
It's the perfect season for adventures, but it can also
57:22
be pretty exhausting juggling chaotic schedules and trying to make
57:26
the most of summer. That's why it's important to take
57:30
a moment for you. Go out for a weekend without
57:33
planning anything and just have fun or relax at home.
57:38
Or if you're really struggling, try therapy with BetterHelp. With
57:43
a network of over 30,000 quality therapists, they can connect
57:47
you with the right one just like they have for
57:50
millions already across the globe. Together, you can work out
57:55
what you need and how you can enjoy summer to
57:59
the fullest. You don't have to say yes to everything
58:02
this summer. Find support in therapy. Sign up and get
58:06
10% off at BetterHelp.com slash J-R-E. That's BetterHelp.com slash J-R-E. Oh, yeah.
58:16
Speaker 5: Yeah.
58:17
Speaker 1: That was the best.
58:18
Speaker 4: Yeah.
58:19
Speaker 1: They should give them all steroids. It's the only time
58:21
baseball's fun. I'll tell you what. It was... Yeah.
58:25
Speaker 3: The viewers were tuning in.
58:27
Speaker 1: A hundred percent.
58:28
Speaker 3: Yeah.
58:29
Speaker 1: The Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa days, Barry Bonds.
58:32
Speaker 3: Yeah.
58:33
Speaker 1: Barry went from 185 to... I met Barry when he
58:39
was normal sized.
58:40
Speaker 3: Yeah.
58:40
Speaker 1: When he was like a normal athlete and then he
58:42
just got giant. But also... He was a great baseball
58:45
player first.
58:46
Speaker 3: First.
58:46
Speaker 1: And then you give him all those steroids, and now
58:48
he's got all this muscle, and he's just cracking them
58:51
out of the park. Those are the good old days.
58:53
They should have looked away. They should have turned their
58:56
head away.
58:57
Speaker 3: Boy, I'll tell you one thing.
58:59
Speaker 1: I don't see nothing. Everybody should have shut the fuck
59:02
up and let these guys take steroids. Let's go. Do
59:05
you like home runs or not? Let's go. That's from
59:11
Joe Rogan, ladies and gentlemen. We'll be back in a minute.
59:14
The problem is it's the great American pastime and you
59:17
don't want to associate the great American pastime with what
59:19
people think is cheating.
59:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's.
59:22
Speaker 1: Yeah.
59:23
Speaker 3: Look, there's guys that. Didn't need to do it to
59:26
be in the Hall of Fame, and they're getting barred
59:28
from the Hall of Fame.
59:29
Speaker 1: That's true.
59:29
Speaker 3: Barry's one of them. Barry was a great player with that.
59:32
Speaker 1: Fantastic player. Mark McGuire. And so was Mark McGuire. And
59:35
so was Sammy Sosa. Yeah.
59:37
Speaker 3: Didn't need it. Maybe they didn't think they'd be noticed.
59:41
Maybe they didn't think they'd get caught.
59:43
Speaker 1: These guys got giant. I don't know how they didn't
59:46
think the people would notice. They got enormous.
59:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
59:51
Speaker 1: But, you know, hey, it is what it is. I
59:54
mean— It was a fun time, though. Yeah. Fun time
59:57
for baseball.
59:58
Speaker 3: You know, I remember people asked me, they said, you
1:00:02
didn't know your guys were on steroids? And hell, I
1:00:04
didn't know what steroids was. I remember one time I
1:00:08
was at the Hall of Fame. That was the question
1:00:11
that came to me about steroids. I didn't know any better.
1:00:13
I said, well, hell, everybody takes steroids. I took steroids
1:00:16
for this, you know, but not antibiotic steroids.
1:00:19
Speaker 1: Right, you took cortisone.
1:00:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't. correlate the differences. And one guy comes
1:00:24
up to me, you idiot. There's two types, at least
1:00:29
we know of. And I went, I didn't know. That's
1:00:31
actually funny.
1:00:32
Speaker 1: You know what? Let me tell you the truth. Tell
1:00:35
me the truth. I'm glad.
1:00:36
Speaker 3: I'm glad that I was blindfolded. I'm glad my brain
1:00:40
didn't function like that. I'm glad I didn't look at
1:00:42
anybody and go, what's he on?
1:00:44
Speaker 1: I didn't look. I just, hell, they're lifting weights, brother.
1:00:47
They're just lifting weights.
1:00:48
Speaker 3: God bless them. You know?
1:00:50
Speaker 1: Well, that's a good attitude to have.
1:00:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they say, well, your team was on steroids. Well,
1:00:57
if that's the case, it wasn't illegal. Everybody was doing it. Right.
1:01:02
Speaker 1: Not only that, but let's be realistic. Most teams were
1:01:05
on steroids because you're professionals and you want to do
1:01:08
your best. And if you've got a bunch of guys
1:01:11
and the way they can do their best is to
1:01:12
be as strong as they possibly can be, they're going
1:01:15
to take steroids, especially when it's legal. Yeah, it just–
1:01:19
Especially when it's legal.
1:01:19
Speaker 3: You don't want to say it was a product of
1:01:21
the times, but in essence it was.
1:01:24
Speaker 1: Well, every time the times change, when there's something effective
1:01:26
that comes along like steroids, you're going to have a
1:01:28
bunch of people that want an edge. And, you know,
1:01:30
there was a time where people thought of creatine like steroids. Right? Yeah.
1:01:34
Creatine is a very beneficial supplement that everybody should take.
1:01:38
It's great for your brain. It's great for mitochondrial function.
1:01:42
It's great for muscle.
1:01:42
Speaker 3: I heard blueberries are good for your brain.
1:01:44
Speaker 1: Blueberries are good for your brain.
1:01:45
Speaker 3: Frank O'Hara, she used to tell me, Brad— Are you
1:01:48
eating a lot of blueberries? I said, Franco, you're not
1:01:50
going to believe this, but I buy blueberries all the
1:01:52
time because of you. Yeah, it's good for your brain.
1:01:55
Good for your brain. They are. And I love blueberries.
1:01:57
Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of antioxidants in them too. Yeah.
1:01:59
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:02:00
Speaker 1: Blueberries are just great, period. Yeah. But, you know, when
1:02:03
you're doing things for your body, when you're a professional athlete, it's,
1:02:08
of course, there's going to be a bunch of people
1:02:10
that are on steroids. Like, yeah, if you want to
1:02:12
get bigger, that's the way to do it. Like, what
1:02:15
are we doing here? We're lying.
1:02:16
Speaker 3: Think they do it today?
1:02:18
Speaker 1: Do you think they don't do it today? That's the
1:02:20
real question.
1:02:20
Speaker 3: No, I asked you.
1:02:21
Speaker 1: They definitely do something. They do whatever the fuck they
1:02:24
can get away with. Do you see how big these
1:02:25
kids are coming out of high school? Well, there's also genetics.
1:02:28
People change.
1:02:29
Speaker 3: Well, kids in nine days are eating better, training better.
1:02:32
Speaker 1: Eating better, training better, more nutrition.
1:02:34
Speaker 3: Exactly.
1:02:35
Speaker 1: They're huge. They're huge.
1:02:38
Speaker 3: I think my offensive line in the 70s averaged about
1:02:42
maybe 260 yards. 260.
1:02:44
Speaker 1: Wow. 260. That's like 100 pounds difference in today, right? Yeah.
1:02:48
Speaker 3: Now you'll have these coaches, my offensive line this year
1:02:51
going to be 6'5, 372. And you go, whoa.
1:02:58
Speaker 1: That's huge. And then they'll say something like, but got
1:03:01
quick feet.
1:03:03
Speaker 3: Okay, got quick feet.
1:03:05
Speaker 1: I love quick feet. It's crazy when you see some
1:03:07
of these guys doing the 40. You've been on the sideline?
1:03:10
I've watched videos. I haven't been live. Go to the sideline.
1:03:13
Seven feet tall, 440 pounds. That is crazy. Look at that.
1:03:16
7 foot 380. Oh, my God. Look at that. As
1:03:27
an eighth grader. Go back to that picture. As an
1:03:29
eighth grader, he was 6 foot 10, 450 pounds.
1:03:33
Speaker 3: In fucking junior high school.
1:03:36
Speaker 1: Junior high school. Yeah. Desmond Weston. Look at that. Desmond Watson.
1:03:43
464 pounds. Heaviest player. Wow.
1:03:48
Speaker 3: Oh, he's in the NFL.
1:03:49
Speaker 1: Yeah. NFL history. Wow. 464 pounds. That's so big.
1:03:55
Speaker 3: Here's what I'll say about my guys. My guys could
1:03:58
put on their pants and nothing rolled over.
1:04:01
Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you're saying.
1:04:03
Speaker 3: Yeah. They were flat-bellied. They were in shape because we
1:04:05
ran a— our game was all about motion, traps and specials
1:04:12
and leads and stuff like that.
1:04:14
Speaker 1: They had to run.
1:04:15
Speaker 3: They had to run, and they ran. And if they
1:04:17
were 400 pounds, you're going to pull this guy 400 pounds?
1:04:22
I mean, so if I were coached today, just my thinking,
1:04:29
what I want, I want an athletic guy.
1:04:31
Speaker 1: I don't want a big guy.
1:04:33
Speaker 3: I don't want a guy that you go, all right,
1:04:35
we're going to do gassers. Billy John, William Earl, whatever.
1:04:41
Y'all go ahead and go on and get a shower. No, 380,
1:04:44
whatever they can. They can't run gassers. Right.
1:04:46
Speaker 1: They can't run gassers.
1:04:48
Speaker 3: Right.
1:04:48
Speaker 1: You know, or run the mile.
1:04:50
Speaker 3: We had to run a Steeler mile every year when
1:04:52
we got to training camp. Well, if you're 325, 35, 90,
1:04:57
I don't want to pigeonhole everybody because there are some
1:04:59
guys I've seen in the NFL that I've walked by
1:05:02
before the game started. And I turned to Howie. Howie's
1:05:05
always at me. We're always together.
1:05:07
Speaker 1: I went, holy. Isn't there a utility, though? Isn't there
1:05:11
a value, a function of a big, giant dude that
1:05:14
maybe can't run gassers but can stop a play dead
1:05:18
in its tracks because you're running into a brick wall?
1:05:20
Speaker 3: Right. Maybe he's only got to go five yards.
1:05:22
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. But that
1:05:25
wasn't how I was brought up.
1:05:27
Speaker 3: Right. I understand.
1:05:28
Speaker 1: That wasn't what I was taught. But obviously you're a
1:05:30
fan of the game still. Oh, for sure. And you
1:05:32
still watch the game. Yeah. How much has the game
1:05:33
changed from when, like 1970, your first year in the NFL?
1:05:36
We're talking about it. but like big but would you
1:05:39
imagine that the guys from 1970 would fit right into
1:05:43
today's game oh.
1:05:44
Speaker 3: No no no no no no size joe green made
1:05:49
the hall of fame at 275 275 uh jack lambert
1:05:55
uh 218 admitted linebacker hall of famer jack how big
1:05:58
was jim brown in his prime Jim Brown, I never
1:06:01
played against Jim Brown.
1:06:02
Speaker 1: Right, it was before your time, but how big was
1:06:03
Jim Brown?
1:06:05
Speaker 3: Probably 220, maybe 215.
1:06:06
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?
1:06:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I always say, size-wise, we can't do it.
1:06:13
And then, of course, you want to really get into it,
1:06:15
then talk about money and stuff like that, but.
1:06:17
Speaker 1: Size-wise, size-wise.
1:06:19
Speaker 3: Now, I will say this, the wide receivers, the quarterbacks,
1:06:23
the running backs could play today, and probably the tight ends,
1:06:27
but then when you get My center weighed 252. And
1:06:31
I always say, since I'm in the cattle business, I'll
1:06:34
take a little young bull. I'll take my Angus bull
1:06:37
over your Charolais bull anytime. Your Charolais bull is going
1:06:40
to be, or Simmental is going to be huge up
1:06:42
off the ground. But my Angus bull is going to
1:06:44
get under him and be able to control him with technique.
1:06:49
Speaker 1: Wait a minute. You got bulls fighting each other? Is
1:06:51
that what you're saying? No, Joe.
1:06:52
Speaker 3: You're not listening. I'm trying to listen.
1:06:56
Speaker 1: You're okay.
1:06:56
Speaker 3: You get some rest last night.
1:06:57
Speaker 1: I did. Okay, good. Fully rested. You got a big bull. Right? Yeah.
1:07:02
Got a big bull. The little bull can get under him.
1:07:04
He's already got the leverage because he's under the big bull.
1:07:07
Got it.
1:07:07
Speaker 3: The big bull's got to get down to get leverage
1:07:09
on the little bull. I understand what you're saying. He's
1:07:11
got all the mass and the weight outnumbered.
1:07:13
Speaker 1: Sort of like Mike Tyson in his prime. Woo! Right?
1:07:16
Speaker 3: That's a bad sucker.
1:07:18
Speaker 1: Bad as it gets.
1:07:19
Speaker 3: Bad.
1:07:20
Speaker 1: Baddest man ever.
1:07:21
Speaker 3: He came in a restaurant I was in, and he
1:07:23
saw me, and he came over, and he pulled up
1:07:24
a chair. There was an owl, and I'm sitting over
1:07:27
here next to the wall, and then there's dinner chairs here.
1:07:31
Speaker 1: He went over. He pulled up a chair, slid over,
1:07:33
blocked the owl, and we.
1:07:34
Speaker 3: Talked about Johnny and Ninus for an hour.
1:07:36
Speaker 1: Wow.
1:07:38
Speaker 3: Mike Tyson.
1:07:38
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Well, he's a giant fan of all
1:07:42
kinds of athletes. You know what I mean? That guy
1:07:44
studies— He studies warriors and athletes and former generals. Really? Oh,
1:07:51
he knows so much about Genghis Khan. Me and him,
1:07:53
we had this long conversation. He knew his original name,
1:07:56
which is Temujin.
1:07:56
Speaker 3: Do you know anything about Genghis Khan?
1:07:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did. I knew a lot about it. Well,
1:08:00
not a lot, I would say, but I got pretty obsessed.
1:08:03
There's a guy named Dan Carlin. He's got a fantastic
1:08:06
series called Hardcore History. It's a podcast. And he had
1:08:10
this series on Genghis Khan called The Wrath of the Khan.
1:08:13
And that got me obsessed. That opened up the door.
1:08:16
And then I started reading books on Genghis Khan and
1:08:18
watching documentaries. And I got obsessed.
1:08:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a huge documentary guy.
1:08:23
Speaker 1: But he knew so much about Genghis Khan. He knew
1:08:25
his original name, which was Temujin. He knew his whole
1:08:27
story about how he was born with a blood clot
1:08:29
in his hand. Mike knew everything about it. Yeah, Mike studies, like, conquerors,
1:08:36
you know? People would know that about him.
1:08:38
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:08:38
Speaker 1: He's a very smart guy.
1:08:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, people would know that.
1:08:41
Speaker 1: Mike is a very interesting guy. He's not what people
1:08:44
think of. You think of Mike Tyson as being this
1:08:47
mindless destroyer. He's very intelligent.
1:08:52
Speaker 3: You ever think about why do athletes have an image?
1:08:58
My image was the Dodgers.
1:09:00
Speaker 1: Guy.
1:09:01
Speaker 3: Do you ever ask yourself a question? Why is your
1:09:05
opinion about Mike Tyson so different now since you interviewed him?
1:09:10
But prior to that. That wasn't out in the press,
1:09:13
was it? No.
1:09:14
Speaker 1: Maybe later in his career, but— You'd have to— you' d watch
1:09:19
a guy fight like that, and he fought so brutally.
1:09:22
And if you weren't a student of boxing, you wouldn't
1:09:24
understand the amount of thinking that has to take place
1:09:28
to get that good. It's not just that he's just
1:09:31
running at people and punching them. He's bobbing and weaving.
1:09:34
He's being incredibly elusive. He's shifting his weight to the
1:09:37
left and shifting his weight to the right. He's cutting
1:09:39
angles like a middleweight. He's doing things to these guys
1:09:42
that they've never seen a heavyweight do before. And he
1:09:45
also was a giant student of boxing. So his manager
1:09:50
was a guy named Jim Jacobs. A short guy. He
1:09:52
was like 5'11 in his prime for a heavyweight. There's
1:09:54
the bull issue right there. Bull, like 20-inch neck. I mean,
1:09:58
he was a tank. And his manager was this guy,
1:10:02
Jim Jacobs. Jim Jacobs was a boxing historian. And he
1:10:06
had all of these old film reels of everyone from
1:10:09
Jack Johnson to Stanley Ketchell to Jack Dempsey, like all
1:10:14
the old time fighters. And Mike would watch those all
1:10:17
day long. So he would train and he would watch
1:10:20
these guys all day long. So he had an access
1:10:22
to film footage everywhere. That most fighters, all you could
1:10:26
see is the guys in the gym and the guys
1:10:28
that you saw fight live back in those days in
1:10:31
the 80s. There was no VHS tapes. There was no
1:10:34
real tapes of boxing that you could watch back then.
1:10:37
So when Mike– this is when Mike was like 13.
1:10:39
So Mike was 13 years old and he's watching film
1:10:42
of the greatest– Sugar Ray Robinson, the greatest boxers of
1:10:45
all time. Willie Pepp, Rocky Marciano. He's watching all these
1:10:48
guys and absorbing their styles and figuring out like it
1:10:52
takes– intelligence to do that. That's not what a dumb
1:10:56
guy would do. A dumb guy wouldn't see, oh, when
1:11:00
he does this, it's because of that, so he can
1:11:03
avoid the counter and duck underneath and hit him at
1:11:05
an angle where he can't hit him. Beautiful. I'm going
1:11:08
to incorporate that into my training and figure out how
1:11:10
to find those patterns in scoring.
1:11:12
Speaker 3: I always thought, because you hear a counterpunch, do you
1:11:17
know how hard it is And I'm not a boxer.
1:11:21
But when someone, you watch their training and then they're like,
1:11:25
when does this counterpunch? Do you know how fast that
1:11:29
brain has to work for you to counterpunch?
1:11:32
Speaker 1: Oh, you have to be lightning fast. Lightning fast. And
1:11:34
you have to have trained it a thousand times.
1:11:37
Speaker 3: You want to be hit all day long in the face,
1:11:39
in the stomach.
1:11:40
Speaker 1: It's a tough way to make a living, but so
1:11:42
is football. And especially back when you guys were playing,
1:11:45
when they would just shoot you up with stuff.
1:11:46
Speaker 3: Well, it was different for sure, but boxing, holy cow.
1:11:49
I met Muhammad Ali one time. I was 6'3 1⁄2.
1:11:55
I'm 6'1 1⁄2 now. And I was looking up to him,
1:11:58
and I'm sure he wasn't any taller, but I was
1:12:00
looking up to him because I was so impressed. And,
1:12:04
you know, we had a great first-time meeting. He was
1:12:10
a fan of mine.
1:12:11
Speaker 1: I didn't know it.
1:12:11
Speaker 3: It was like, whoa. That made me great. And I
1:12:14
went to a couple of banquets that he was at,
1:12:16
and he'd send notes down to me to come down
1:12:18
and say hello to him. I'm going to bother him.
1:12:22
And I'd go to him. Hey, champ, how you doing?
1:12:25
It's Terry Bradshaw. Yeah, yeah.
1:12:27
Speaker 1: Have you heard this one? He'd tell me a joke.
1:12:29
A joke. That's the last thing I expected from Muhammad Ali.
1:12:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I love Muhammad Ali.
1:12:36
Speaker 1: That was an incredibly intelligent guy. And also the first
1:12:40
guy to figure out how to get attention by talking.
1:12:43
Speaker 3: And we hated him for it. I didn't like him.
1:12:46
Speaker 1: Did you like him? I loved him. I didn't like him.
1:12:48
I was younger.
1:12:49
Speaker 3: I didn't like him.
1:12:51
Speaker 1: I grew up in an era of respect.
1:12:53
Speaker 3: Right. You respect your opponent. You don't say anything bad
1:12:58
about him. You give him all the praise when it's
1:13:01
all said. You respect your opponent. You don't showboat. You
1:13:05
don't do anything. You don't run into the end zone.
1:13:07
Speaker 1: You don't do this.
1:13:08
Speaker 3: You respect your opponent. And that's the way that I
1:13:12
was raised. And actually the way I was coached. And
1:13:18
I had a hard time when Billy White Shoes Johnson
1:13:22
of Houston would get in the end zone. He'd start
1:13:24
doing that dance and everything. I don't like it at all.
1:13:28
And Billy White Shoes is a good dude, you know.
1:13:32
But I didn't like it at all. I just don't
1:13:33
like any athlete. Drawing attention to himself. If you're playing
1:13:39
tennis or golf, okay, that's one thing because it's you.
1:13:42
But when you're playing a team event, somebody else had
1:13:48
to do that job too. Right. I just had a
1:13:50
hard time with that.
1:13:50
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Yeah. In a team sport.
1:13:53
But in boxing, boxing is just one-on-one. But you still
1:13:56
didn't like it even in boxing.
1:13:57
Speaker 3: Bragging. Yeah.
1:13:59
Speaker 1: Now I look back. Now, of course, I love it now. Yeah.
1:14:02
But he knew what he was doing. Well, it's psychological warfare.
1:14:06
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:14:06
Speaker 1: That's what it is. I mean, he had Sonny Liston
1:14:09
so confused before he fought him. He would show up
1:14:11
at Sonny Liston's house in, like, the middle of the
1:14:13
night and stand on his lawn and scream at him. Yeah,
1:14:16
he was just fucking with that guy's head. He was
1:14:18
climbing inside of his head and, like, making sure that
1:14:20
all day long he's thinking about him. And he also
1:14:24
thought he was a legitimate insane person. Like, the way
1:14:27
he was acting, he was not acting like a rational person.
1:14:30
So he was worried all the time. So he's, like,
1:14:31
worried that you're around this insane person. What? You ever
1:14:35
see the video where they met?
1:14:37
Speaker 3: Listen, if you can do that and back it up,
1:14:42
which he did, then I tip my hat to you.
1:14:45
Speaker 1: Did you ever see the video where they ran into
1:14:48
each other at a casino? No. So Sonny Liston was
1:14:50
at a casino. I think Sonny was playing cards, and
1:14:53
Muhammad Ali, back when he was Cassius Clay, came up
1:14:57
behind him, and he starts ranting and raving and saying
1:14:59
crazy shit, and Sonny pulls out a gun. Oh. and
1:15:03
shoots it into the air, and everybody scatters. It was
1:15:05
a blank gun. But he anticipated that Ali was going
1:15:10
to do that to him. So he said, I'm going
1:15:12
to scare the shit out of this. You want to
1:15:13
play crazy? Let's play crazy. See if you can find
1:15:16
that video, Jamie. The video is amazing. It's amazing. Because
1:15:19
he just pulls this, and then he shows, like, shoots.
1:15:22
Here it is. Put your headphones on real quick. Grab
1:15:24
his headphone. Yeah, pull it up. Bring it back to
1:15:29
the beginning.
1:15:29
Speaker 3: Got it.
1:15:30
Speaker 1: Drawing a gun, Sonny fired.
1:15:32
Speaker 3: The whole situation finally came to a head when Clay approached.
1:15:35
Speaker 1: Liston at the Desert Inn in Las Vegas, where the
1:15:38
champ was shooting craps and losing.
1:15:41
Speaker 3: Liston was in no mood to be harangued by the
1:15:44
mouth from the south.
1:15:45
Speaker 1: Drawing a gun, Sonny fired, frightening his young tormentor into
1:15:49
a hasty retreat. The inn was filled with blanks. So
1:15:54
he shot the gun into his jacket to show everybody
1:15:57
that it was just a blank. That is crazy, though.
1:16:01
So he was prepared. Isn't that funny? He had blanks.
1:16:04
That's crazy, brother. That's pretty smart. Is it? Yeah, because
1:16:08
you got this guy's acting crazy. Like, I'm going to
1:16:11
out-crazy him. I don't want to shoot anybody, but I'm
1:16:14
going to out-crazy him. Give me a gun with some blanks.
1:16:17
And just pull it out.
1:16:19
Speaker 3: Alex Baldwin had a huge lawsuit because he pulled out
1:16:22
whether the gun was a blank and killed somebody. I mean,
1:16:24
that's crazy.
1:16:25
Speaker 1: Yes, that was a problem with the person who was
1:16:28
handling the guns. Yeah, exactly. What?
1:16:30
Speaker 4: Well, okay, that wasn't even Sonny Liston.
1:16:34
Speaker 1: What do you mean that wasn't Sonny Liston? That absolutely
1:16:36
was Sonny Liston.
1:16:37
Speaker 4: It says it's from a movie.
1:16:39
Speaker 1: Bro, that's Sonny Liston.
1:16:40
Speaker 4: The man with the gun is an actor, not Sonny Liston.
1:16:42
Let me see that again.
1:16:43
Speaker 3: What?
1:16:43
Speaker 4: So it's a recreation of the actual.
1:16:44
Speaker 1: Scene that happened?
1:16:52
Speaker 4: There's no real footage of Liston firing a gun at Ali.
1:16:55
Speaker 1: What?
1:16:56
Speaker 4: Dramatic clips circulating online. The one in nearly every rare
1:16:59
footage post is a scene from a 1977 film called
1:17:03
The Greatest.
1:17:04
Speaker 1: Oh, I saw that movie. So let me see it again.
1:17:07
Can I see the video again? That's crazy.
1:17:11
Speaker 3: There you are.
1:17:12
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I would have swore that's Sonny Liston.
1:17:15
Speaker 4: You're listening to a narrator talk, and this one even
1:17:18
has a narrator.
1:17:18
Speaker 1: Over a narrator.
1:17:19
Speaker 3: Wasn't Sonny Liston bald?
1:17:21
Speaker 1: No. No, Sonny Liston wasn't bald. No? Oh, that isn't
1:17:24
Sonny Liston. Well, the video is so blurry. All right.
1:17:28
Speaker 3: There you have it.
1:17:29
Speaker 1: Wow. That's not Sonny Liston. Oh, my God. I feel
1:17:33
like such a dumbass. Find footage of Sonny Liston training.
1:17:38
So he was, back in the day, he was the
1:17:42
scariest heavyweight. Sonny Liston was the guy. Wasn't he in prison?
1:17:46
What's that?
1:17:47
Speaker 3: When he went to prison?
1:17:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, he went to prison. But it was the way
1:17:51
he won the title, the way he knocked out Floyd Patterson.
1:17:55
It looked like Floyd Patterson had no business being in
1:17:57
there with him. He was that good. That good and
1:17:59
that big. And a lot of people going into that
1:18:01
fight thought Muhammad Ali had no chance. They thought that
1:18:04
he was going to get killed because– You know, Ali
1:18:06
was a very good fighter. He was up and coming fast,
1:18:10
really fast with his footwork and his movement. But everybody
1:18:13
thought that it was just a matter of time before
1:18:14
Liston got him. That's crazy. I recognize that guy, that actor.
1:18:18
Is that the actor that was in Magnum P.I.? I
1:18:25
think it is.
1:18:27
Speaker 4: The actor's name is Roger E.
1:18:28
Speaker 1: Mosley? Yeah, Magnum P.I. Aha! Look at you. Look at me.
1:18:33
You proud of yourself? A little bit. I feel slightly
1:18:35
better now, but I'm ashamed that I didn't realize that
1:18:38
that wasn't actually Sonny Liston. So find some footage of
1:18:41
Sonny Liston training.
1:18:43
Speaker 4: Even on this, some of this I think has already
1:18:45
got some AI footage in it.
1:18:47
Speaker 1: Oh, really? Well, there's footage of him hitting. the bag.
1:18:50
There's Sonny. There's footage of Sonny hitting the bag, and
1:18:54
he would just put these holes in the bag. He
1:18:56
had just murderous punching power. He was such a dangerous guy,
1:19:00
and everyone was scared of him back then. Because he
1:19:03
was this towering, hulking figure, Dr. Brianna had massive hands. And,
1:19:08
I mean, he would brutalize his sparring partners. I mean,
1:19:10
Sonny Liston was putting people away. I mean, he— look at
1:19:15
the size of his hands. Just gigantic hands and tremendous power. But,
1:19:21
you know, Ali figured out a way to just.
1:19:24
Speaker 3: It didn't even look like the punch that took him
1:19:26
out was even that big a punch.
1:19:27
Speaker 1: That's the second fight. That's the Lewiston-Maine fight. Oh, that's
1:19:30
the second one? Yeah, that's the fight when they fought
1:19:32
in Lewiston-Maine. And that one is very tricky because– so
1:19:35
he would hit guys with jabs and have them rocked.
1:19:39
His hands were so massive and his power was so extraordinary.
1:19:43
You ever boxed? I did some boxing.
1:19:45
Speaker 3: I did it one time.
1:19:47
Speaker 1: I did kickboxing, but I didn't do any, like, sport boxing. No, no, no, kickboxing.
1:19:51
Speaker 3: Get that. Bad enough you hit me with your fist.
1:19:54
Don't kick me with your feet. I don't want any
1:19:56
part of that. But I boxed one time, one round.
1:19:59
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:19:59
Speaker 3: And I said that.
1:20:01
Speaker 1: That's it? That's it. Yeah. Again, it's like cooking duck.
1:20:05
It's something you've got to learn how to do. You
1:20:07
can't just jump in and think you're going to be
1:20:09
good at it. Yeah, well, I wasn't good at it.
1:20:12
Not only that, I don't want to be hit. Yeah. Yeah,
1:20:15
not fun. Well, back in the day, and you're– your day,
1:20:18
the way guys would treat getting hit, if you got hit,
1:20:22
there was no, like, take a game off, get evaluated. No. Nothing.
1:20:28
Concussion protocol. Hop right back in, son. Are you awake?
1:20:32
Speaker 3: I played against the Miami Dolphins in a playoff game,
1:20:38
and I got knocked out. I mean, knocked out.
1:20:42
Speaker 1: And I guess I came to in the fourth quarter.
1:20:46
Speaker 3: I went back in.
1:20:47
Speaker 1: Played pretty good, too. Wow. Not that I lost the game,
1:20:49
but yeah. So you got knocked out, woke up, and
1:20:52
then they put you back in after you woke up.
1:20:54
Speaker 3: Well, something like that.
1:20:56
Speaker 1: Wow.
1:20:57
Speaker 3: I went out in the first quarter, I think. I
1:20:59
scored on touchdown, kept it, got knocked out, and came
1:21:03
back in the fourth quarter. Yeah.
1:21:06
Speaker 1: Different. Different. Different. Oh, yeah. Nowadays, if a player gets
1:21:10
knocked out, how much time do they make them take off?
1:21:12
They're going to a.
1:21:13
Speaker 3: Tent, and now you have a concussion guy in the
1:21:16
booth representing the NFL, so they'll tell you to get
1:21:20
him out. Right. And they go into a tent, and
1:21:23
they get evaluated. More than likely, if they've been stunned,
1:21:26
they're not going back in.
1:21:27
Speaker 1: How much time do they make them take off before
1:21:29
they let them play again?
1:21:30
Speaker 3: But they have to get evaluated every week, so it
1:21:33
could be. What is that?
1:21:35
Speaker 1: Little baby cigars. It's when you don't want to finish
1:21:37
a big one.
1:21:38
Speaker 3: Oh.
1:21:39
Speaker 1: Little tiny ones. They're little Monte Cristos. Oh, okay. I
1:21:41
like these sometimes. All right. But when they do that,
1:21:47
and these guys are KO'd today if they get knocked out,
1:21:50
do they have like a 30-day rule?
1:21:52
Speaker 3: No, it's not 30 days, but they do go. They
1:21:56
go in. They keep getting evaluated, and you'll have some guys.
1:22:03
Speaker 1: Jamie says there's no set timeline for discovery. There you go. Well,
1:22:06
for recovery, rather, players must progress through these graded exertion
1:22:10
phases without any increase in symptoms. Symptom-limited activity, prescribed rest
1:22:15
with limited physical and cognitive activity, transitioning to light stretching
1:22:19
and monitored light aerobic exercise. So with the UFC, when
1:22:23
a guy gets knocked out, generally athletic commissions put a
1:22:26
hold on them, like it's a 90-day hold. And then
1:22:29
some of them have like 60-day no contact, so they're
1:22:32
not even allowed to spar for 60 days.
1:22:33
Speaker 3: If you get knocked out and that brain gets rattled
1:22:36
like that, the best game I played in high school,
1:22:42
the best game I played in high school, a guy
1:22:45
by the name of Larry Brewer, I fumbled coming out
1:22:47
of it. out of the pocket in high school against
1:22:50
Minden High School. I'm rolling to the right, and I
1:22:53
think the ball hits my leg, and it hits the ground,
1:22:57
and it goes, boom, boom. And I'm chasing it. And
1:23:02
about the time I get to the ball and get
1:23:04
my hands on it, I pick my head up, boom, out, out.
1:23:11
I don't remember anything. And then I'm back in the game, And,
1:23:16
I mean, it's the best game I played in high school. Joe,
1:23:21
dead serious. Best game I played in high school. Maybe
1:23:24
I wasn't worried.
1:23:25
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's what I was going to ask you.
1:23:27
It's crazy. I wonder if that's it.
1:23:30
Speaker 3: Listen, I've been to a couple of clinics just for
1:23:36
brain work, just to get them.
1:23:39
Speaker 1: Checked out?
1:23:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, all the tests that they could possibly do, extensive tests.
1:23:44
Because I was having trouble remembering, did I open the gate?
1:23:47
Did I open the gate this morning?
1:23:49
Speaker 1: Right, right. I did.
1:23:51
Speaker 3: I opened the gate. I'm sure I opened the gate.
1:23:53
And I pushed the button. And when the button's green,
1:23:55
the gate is moving. And then it goes red.
1:23:59
Speaker 1: It stopped.
1:23:59
Speaker 3: I mean, it goes yellow.
1:24:00
Speaker 1: It stopped.
1:24:01
Speaker 3: Then I push a button. It goes red. It's holding.
1:24:03
It's staying open. Six times. I remember six times. And
1:24:07
I'm like, did I push this button? Then I remember, okay,
1:24:12
something's wrong. Someone got checked. Yeah.
1:24:14
Speaker 1: How long ago was this? Years ago.
1:24:16
Speaker 3: Years. 30 plus years ago.
1:24:18
Speaker 1: And did they do something for you? Did they?
1:24:25
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. I don't think anything came.
1:24:30
I remember testing. I got tested and found out I
1:24:32
had ADD, which was not a shocker, but was a shocker.
1:24:38
Speaker 1: I think everybody has that. Yeah. Everybody's any good at anything,
1:24:41
has it?
1:24:42
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Creative people have ADD.
1:24:45
Speaker 1: Creative people are people that are, like, really into one thing. Yeah. Like,
1:24:48
full on into it.
1:24:49
Speaker 3: Well, they say, well, you're focused on this. Yeah, but
1:24:52
when I'm fishing, I'm focused. Right. When I'm showing horses,
1:24:56
I don't have a problem.
1:24:57
Speaker 1: Exactly.
1:24:57
Speaker 3: I'm focused. But if I'm taking geometry or going to chocolate.
1:25:00
Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, exactly. No interest. Exactly. No interest. Yeah. So, yeah. So, that.
1:25:05
If I'm learning something I'm not interested in, I have
1:25:07
no focus.
1:25:09
Speaker 3: I mean, you got to sit here and study all
1:25:10
this stuff for all these different people. Right. And I
1:25:13
know you got to be interested in them.
1:25:14
Speaker 1: You have to be interested. Yes. You got to be interested.
1:25:17
But then I think there's people that don't have a
1:25:19
problem being interested and they can study anything and God
1:25:22
bless them. I'm not one of those people. I have
1:25:23
to be interested in what I'm talking about. You had
1:25:25
Bradley Cooper on. Love Bradley Cooper.
1:25:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did. He's awesome. With the brain guy, the
1:25:32
atom bomb guy.
1:25:34
Speaker 1: Oppenheimer?
1:25:35
Speaker 3: Oppenheimer movie.
1:25:35
Speaker 1: He was in that movie? That's right.
1:25:37
Speaker 3: Well, he directed it.
1:25:38
Speaker 1: That's right. And he was in it. He directed it, right? No,
1:25:43
he did. He did, right? He didn't direct it. What's that?
1:25:46
Christopher Nolan. That's right. It's Christopher Nolan directed it. Bradley
1:25:50
was in Oppenheimer? Yes. Yes. What was his role? He's
1:25:53
been in so many things, I forgot.
1:25:54
Speaker 3: Wasn't he in Oppenheimer?
1:25:55
Speaker 1: No. Okay. Oh, my bad. What are you thinking of?
1:25:59
The music guy.
1:25:59
Speaker 3: Maestro. Yeah.
1:26:00
Speaker 1: He did Maestro. He directed that and starred in it. Oh, yes.
1:26:04
Speaker 4: Oh.
1:26:04
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:26:05
Speaker 3: Phenomenal.
1:26:06
Speaker 1: I was trying to agree with you. I was like,
1:26:07
what was Bradley in Oppenheimer? I haven't seen Oppenheimer in
1:26:10
a couple of years. I was just checking to see
1:26:11
if you were paying attention. That dude who played Oppenheimer.
1:26:19
Speaker 3: He won an Oscar. Did he win an Oscar?
1:26:21
Speaker 1: At least he was up for it. Cyril Murphy, right?
1:26:23
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:26:24
Speaker 1: That guy is phenomenal. What? Cillian Murphy. Cillian Murphy.
1:26:29
Speaker 3: Cillian Murphy.
1:26:29
Speaker 1: Cillian Murphy. Well, anyway. He's phenomenal in Peaky Blinders.
1:26:33
Speaker 3: Anybody that can act has got my attention because Cooper
1:26:36
Bradley is.
1:26:37
Speaker 1: Well, real acting, right? Real acting. Real acting. I've done
1:26:40
some sitcom acting. That shit's pretty easy.
1:26:42
Speaker 3: And you were probably Joe, right?
1:26:44
Speaker 1: I played Joe.
1:26:44
Speaker 3: And I'm Jerry Bradshaw. Exactly. And I've done like five movies.
1:26:47
And people say, oh, man, you're not.
1:26:48
Speaker 1: No, no, no. I'm no actor. But like, you know,
1:26:52
Daniel Day-Lewis type acting. Whoa, that's him?
1:26:54
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:26:55
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
1:26:56
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:26:56
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
1:26:58
Speaker 3: That's Bradley. Yeah.
1:26:59
Speaker 1: My God, the fucking makeup they do today is insane.
1:27:03
Speaker 3: He was amazing in that movie.
1:27:04
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy they could make it look that realistic?
1:27:07
That is nuts. Leonard Bernstein. Hell, there you go.
1:27:11
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:27:12
Speaker 1: Did you see the movie? That is amazing. Did you
1:27:13
see it? I did not.
1:27:15
Speaker 3: When you had him on here, did you tell him
1:27:17
you saw it?
1:27:18
Speaker 1: I did not. I would have probably.
1:27:22
Speaker 3: I'd be like, oh, yeah. It's like I had a guy,
1:27:25
we went back to high school and met the assistant
1:27:27
trainer for the first time in years.
1:27:30
Speaker 1: I didn't know his name.
1:27:32
Speaker 3: And this buddy of.
1:27:32
Speaker 1: Mine, how you doing, man? Get over here. I'm like,
1:27:38
he knows this guy.
1:27:38
Speaker 3: And they're going on, give me a hug, you son
1:27:42
of a gun. And for why he did this, I'll
1:27:46
never know.
1:27:47
Speaker 1: He goes.
1:27:49
Speaker 3: What's my name? What's my name? He said that to him.
1:27:53
Speaker 1: What's my name? And I'm over there and I'm like, oh.
1:27:56
Speaker 3: My God, this is hilarious.
1:27:58
Speaker 1: It is hilarious.
1:27:59
Speaker 3: He didn't have a clue. He didn't have a clue.
1:28:01
Speaker 1: Well, he probably forgot if he left the gate open too.
1:28:04
You know, give the guy a break. Give the guy
1:28:08
a break.
1:28:08
Speaker 3: But still, you know what I do all the time?
1:28:11
And I'll tell people this. Look, I don't, what's your
1:28:14
name again?
1:28:15
Speaker 1: Joe. Joe.
1:28:18
Speaker 3: Hey, I, I may ask you again what your name is,
1:28:22
and then I may ask you again, but I'm going
1:28:25
to get your name right. I don't want to sit
1:28:27
here and not know who you are.
1:28:31
Speaker 1: People get mad at that. I don't think people should
1:28:33
get mad at that. It's just a thing that happens
1:28:37
to people, and it definitely happens to people that meet
1:28:38
too many people. Do you know what Dunbar's number is? No.
1:28:43
Dunbar's number is a number of people that you can
1:28:46
keep in your memory. Because we evolved in tribal societies
1:28:51
of small groups of people.
1:28:52
Speaker 3: Where are you getting all this?
1:28:53
Speaker 1: I just... Remember somebody tell you this? Somebody. Oh, definitely.
1:28:56
I didn't study it. This is Dunbar's number. So the
1:29:00
max amount of relationships a person can maintain. Oh, yeah.
1:29:05
Which one are you? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Where are you?
1:29:06
Where are you? Where are you in the five? You
1:29:11
are zero. Your patient is zero. And five are the
1:29:14
people that are very close to you. So that's your
1:29:16
support people. And then 15 are your sympathy group. They're
1:29:19
not quite as close as like the closest people to you,
1:29:22
but they're pretty close. And then there's a close network
1:29:25
of 50 people. Then you have a personal network of
1:29:28
150 people. You have 500 acquaintances and then 1,500 people
1:29:33
that are recognizable. You know what's funny? I make this
1:29:36
bad habit. We all have bad habits.
1:29:38
Speaker 3: My bad habit is, oh, he's a friend of mine.
1:29:40
I know Henry Winkler. I know Henry Winkler.
1:29:43
Speaker 1: I know Henry Winkler, too. I did a movie with
1:29:45
him once. He's a great guy. Sweetheart. And my wife says,
1:29:49
and I'll say, I have his number.
1:29:53
Speaker 3: I have his number in my phone. And I do
1:29:56
have Henry's number. But I'll say, oh, because I've met them,
1:30:01
I automatically associate them.
1:30:02
Speaker 1: With being my friend. I do the same thing.
1:30:05
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:30:06
Speaker 1: My wife will say, when did you talk to him last?
1:30:10
Speaker 3: Well.
1:30:11
Speaker 1: I haven't. These people I haven't talked to for years
1:30:14
and years and years. They're still my friends. I'm a
1:30:17
friendly guy. Yeah. I like a lot of people. I do.
1:30:22
But in my circle, we all surround ourselves.
1:30:26
Speaker 3: Our best friends are people that we have a lot
1:30:30
in common with and we share common values, common likes,
1:30:34
whether it's.
1:30:34
Speaker 1: Horses, cattle.
1:30:35
Speaker 3: My whole world is horses and cattle, horses and cattle.
1:30:39
The people that booked me for speeches are dear, dear
1:30:42
friends of mine. Howie, dear friend. Kirk Menefee, dear friend.
1:30:47
I work with him. I love being around him. Tell
1:30:50
him I love him. I have a habit of telling
1:30:52
you I love you. Joe, I love you, man.
1:30:53
Speaker 1: I love you, too, Terry. I love you, man. I
1:30:55
do the same thing. Yeah.
1:30:57
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:30:57
Speaker 1: Okay.
1:30:59
Speaker 3: Do you really love him?
1:31:01
Speaker 1: I do. Well, it means... No.
1:31:03
Speaker 3: What it means is I like him more than I
1:31:05
just like.
1:31:05
Speaker 1: You're just... Yeah, I love him. I'm elevating you a
1:31:07
little bit here. Yeah.
1:31:09
Speaker 3: My wife is so smart. She's just like, you really
1:31:11
got their number? I said, yeah, I got their number.
1:31:14
And they're friends of yours?
1:31:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're friends.
1:31:17
Speaker 3: When's the last time you talked to them? Well, I
1:31:18
hadn't talked to them.
1:31:19
Speaker 1: In a few years. But if you're friends with a
1:31:23
lot of people, sometimes you can't be communicating with everybody
1:31:27
all the time. There's friends that I'm friends with. If
1:31:30
I see them, I'm going to hug them. But I
1:31:31
haven't talked to them in years.
1:31:32
Speaker 3: You ever told someone this? You ever told someone this? Hey,
1:31:37
you know what? Before you became really famous, we used
1:31:40
to be really close and now we're not.
1:31:43
Speaker 1: You ever said that? No. Okay. I have. So before,
1:31:49
when they're famous or you're famous?
1:31:52
Speaker 3: Joe, I've been famous a long time.
1:31:53
Speaker 1: Long time. Long time. Yeah. Long time. Long time.
1:31:58
Speaker 3: But I've actually, my problem is, if it's a problem.
1:32:03
He said, when I like somebody, I really like them.
1:32:06
Speaker 1: That's a good problem. I like being with them. Yeah.
1:32:10
Speaker 3: And then you don't ever hear from them. But if
1:32:12
you text them, they fire right back. And after a while,
1:32:17
I'm going, why am I the one starting this relationship?
1:32:19
Why am I? And I take it personal.
1:32:21
Speaker 1: Do you really? Yeah, I do. Okay. Yeah, I do.
1:32:25
Speaker 3: I'm sensitive about stuff like that. I mean, if we
1:32:29
swap numbers today before I leave, And I'm going to
1:32:33
text you and say, hey, man, how's it going? How's
1:32:35
the wife? How's the elk hunting?
1:32:37
Speaker 1: How are you doing?
1:32:38
Speaker 3: Fine. And we get along great. And then two or
1:32:41
three months go by. I hadn't heard from Joe. Hey, Joe,
1:32:43
how are you doing? Man, it's good to see you.
1:32:44
I mean, how are you doing?
1:32:45
Speaker 1: Oh, so you get upset if you're the one always initiating.
1:32:48
I don't want to always initiate. I understand.
1:32:49
Speaker 3: I want someone else to feel the same way towards me.
1:32:52
And that's insecurity. I just finished this book. And the
1:32:56
whole thing is I'm always looking for people to like
1:32:59
me as much as I like them. And that's not
1:33:02
always the case.
1:33:03
Speaker 1: Well, you're a very friendly guy. I am.
1:33:06
Speaker 3: Yeah. I wish I weren't.
1:33:08
Speaker 1: Why?
1:33:08
Speaker 3: I don't know why.
1:33:09
Speaker 1: It's great.
1:33:09
Speaker 3: I like being friendly.
1:33:10
Speaker 1: Let me tell you a funny story.
1:33:12
Speaker 3: You want a funny story?
1:33:12
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:33:13
Speaker 3: All right.
1:33:13
Speaker 1: Here's a funny story.
1:33:14
Speaker 3: So when you get diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, you get
1:33:16
put on steroids. You get a balance of steroids in
1:33:20
your body to find out what.
1:33:22
Speaker 1: Holds off the pain because you've got to block the pain.
1:33:25
Speaker 3: And so you go on a 90-day trial and error.
1:33:29
So I do the steroids, and I'm eating my ass. Boy,
1:33:37
I'm eating everything. I can't sleep, and I'm eating. I'm
1:33:41
doing a good job of eating. And I'm working out
1:33:43
twice a day.
1:33:44
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
1:33:45
Speaker 3: And I blow up, man. I put on like 60 pounds.
1:33:48
Speaker 1: Whoa. Huge. Go to Hawaii. My wife and I are in. Kmart.
1:33:56
Nice Kmart.
1:33:57
Speaker 3: It's closed now, but it's a really nice Kmart. So
1:34:00
we're in there and we're getting stuff for the house
1:34:02
and stuff. And we get, we're going down the aisles
1:34:06
and people are.
1:34:07
Speaker 1: Like, hey, Terry, how you doing?
1:34:09
Speaker 3: You know, I'm doing good. You know, I'm a little
1:34:11
puffy right now. I'm on steroids. I put on quite
1:34:14
a bit of weight, as you probably can see. You know,
1:34:17
I'm a little embarrassed, but it's going to get it
1:34:18
balanced out. Oh, yeah, sorry to hear about that.
1:34:21
Speaker 1: Hey, Terry, how you doing?
1:34:22
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm a little puffy right now and
1:34:25
I'm on steroids. I've got rheumatoid arthritis. You have to
1:34:28
take steroids and get your balance.
1:34:30
Speaker 1: And I do this.
1:34:32
Speaker 3: Without even thinking about it, Joe, three or four times
1:34:35
in Kmart. So we walk out, get in the car.
1:34:39
My wife, who loves me to death, says, Honey, honey, honey, listen.
1:34:44
When people say it, How are you doing, Terry? They
1:34:47
don't want to hear about steroid.
1:34:49
Speaker 1: They don't want to hear about Ruben Dard.
1:34:51
Speaker 3: They just want to hear, how are you doing? They
1:34:54
don't care. They recognize you, and they're just happy to
1:34:58
meet you. They don't care that you, you know, whatever.
1:35:01
I went, am I really doing that? She said, yes, baby,
1:35:05
you're doing that to everybody. I was so embarrassed, Joe.
1:35:08
I'm like, oh.
1:35:13
Speaker 1: We cross the highway and we go where? Brand new Target.
1:35:16
Massive Target. Awesome Target.
1:35:19
Speaker 3: You know?
1:35:19
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:35:20
Speaker 3: Now, you don't shop at these places, but I do.
1:35:22
Speaker 1: I shop at Target.
1:35:23
Speaker 3: Do you?
1:35:24
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:35:25
Speaker 3: I love Target. You go to Walmart?
1:35:27
Speaker 1: I've been to Walmart. Been to Walmart. It's been a
1:35:30
couple of years.
1:35:33
Speaker 3: Well, I live in St. Joe, Texas in Walmart. We
1:35:36
get dressed up and put a suit on when we
1:35:38
go to Walmart. Yeah. That's nice. Anyway, so we go
1:35:42
to Target, and my wife's daughter told me, so we
1:35:46
go to Target.
1:35:48
Speaker 1: I'm pushing the buggy, and we're going down the aisle. Hey, Terry,
1:35:52
how you doing? How am I doing?
1:35:55
Speaker 3: I said, man, you're not going to believe this, but
1:35:58
I got rheumatoid arthritis, and I've been taking steroids, and I'm.
1:36:03
Speaker 1: Really putting on a lot of weight. I'm really puffy.
1:36:05
Speaker 3: Now, I stand up.
1:36:06
Speaker 1: Joe, no kidding.
1:36:08
Speaker 3: And I lean down. And I pull my pants leg
1:36:12
up where my sock is. And I push my sock down.
1:36:15
And you can see that giant indention from all the
1:36:18
fluid that you're holding.
1:36:20
Speaker 1: Right.
1:36:21
Speaker 3: And when I put my hand down and I see
1:36:25
that ring, I start laughing.
1:36:28
Speaker 1: I couldn't help myself.
1:36:29
Speaker 3: I just started laughing.
1:36:31
Speaker 1: You big idiot.
1:36:32
Speaker 3: They don't give a shit if you've got rheumatoid start.
1:36:37
Speaker 1: I was so embarrassed, but I just couldn't help myself.
1:36:40
Speaker 3: I just started laughing.
1:36:41
Speaker 1: Caught me. Caught me. Well, you're just a genuine guy. Yeah,
1:36:45
what are you going to do? There's nothing wrong with that.
1:36:47
Speaker 3: No.
1:36:48
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that. No. I'm not apologizing. Yeah.
1:36:52
Speaker 3: But sometimes you just want reciprocation. I do have it
1:36:54
with that.
1:36:54
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying.
1:36:55
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:36:55
Speaker 1: But it's way better to be super friendly. Then the opposite.
1:36:59
Speaker 3: Is your wife super friendly?
1:37:00
Speaker 1: She's friendly, yeah.
1:37:01
Speaker 3: She's friendly?
1:37:02
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:37:03
Speaker 3: Is she friendly as you?
1:37:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's pretty friendly, yeah.
1:37:07
Speaker 3: Can you go anywhere in Austin and.
1:37:09
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you talk to a lot of people.
1:37:11
You don't talk to people, but most people are really nice.
1:37:14
Speaker 3: So it's not a problem.
1:37:15
Speaker 1: Yeah. Most people are just happy to see you and
1:37:17
say hi.
1:37:17
Speaker 3: Hey, how you doing?
1:37:18
Speaker 1: Shake your hand.
1:37:18
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:37:19
Speaker 1: Give you some knuckles. Yeah.
1:37:20
Speaker 3: Take a selfie.
1:37:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:37:21
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:37:22
Speaker 1: Take a selfie.
1:37:23
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:37:23
Speaker 1: I like selfies.
1:37:26
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't see what the problem is.
1:37:28
Speaker 1: There's no problem. There's nothing wrong with that. You're just
1:37:30
a friendly guy. Yeah. But that Dunbar's number is what's
1:37:33
going on. Like, that's why you can't remember people. That's
1:37:36
really all it is. I mean, you think about you're
1:37:37
Terry Bradshaw. How many people have you met in your life?
1:37:40
You've probably met a million people, like literally a million people.
1:37:43
Speaker 3: But if you were in bad shape right now, you've
1:37:48
got people you'd call. You've got a handful you could call.
1:37:51
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
1:37:53
Speaker 3: Really care about you?
1:37:54
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:37:54
Speaker 3: Okay.
1:37:54
Speaker 1: Yeah. But that's how everybody is, like a handful. You
1:37:57
have a handful that you really care about. And you
1:37:59
know what?
1:38:02
Speaker 3: To take care and nurture your friendships that are really
1:38:04
close– It takes effort.
1:38:06
Speaker 1: It does.
1:38:07
Speaker 3: And if you're 15 or 20, you don't have any time, man.
1:38:10
You wear yourself out. I think we all– we start
1:38:14
here and we– Yes.
1:38:16
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, there's also some people that disappoint you along
1:38:19
the way, unfortunately. Man, love.
1:38:21
Speaker 3: Are you kidding?
1:38:22
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:38:22
Speaker 3: That is– have you ever– have you ever just thrown
1:38:27
all your trust and love into your buddy and then
1:38:32
that sucker 15 or 16, whatever, and just boom.
1:38:35
Speaker 1: Some of them.
1:38:36
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:38:37
Speaker 1: Whoa. It's been a long time since I've had that happen.
1:38:39
But there's some people that just don't make it along
1:38:41
the way.
1:38:42
Speaker 3: And then and then I'm the first one to say,
1:38:44
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't I didn't mean that.
1:38:47
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
1:38:47
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. And then they don't take.
1:38:49
Speaker 1: Your apologies and they bring it up again.
1:38:52
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Look, I told you. I'm sorry. Then they
1:38:56
do it again.
1:38:57
Speaker 1: Look.
1:38:58
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:38:59
Speaker 1: I said I'm sorry.
1:39:01
Speaker 3: And then hang up. That's it.
1:39:03
Speaker 1: Well, some people just don't want to be happy. They don't.
1:39:07
And they actually enjoy being in conflict because conflict takes
1:39:13
them away from thinking about all the things that they
1:39:15
need to correct in their life. So they always like
1:39:17
to be in some sort of a situation where there's
1:39:20
some sort of a dispute or someone wronged them or
1:39:23
something's disrespectful or something. It's just distractions. Most of it
1:39:28
is distractions. It's a personality flaw.
1:39:30
Speaker 3: This just happened yesterday.
1:39:32
Speaker 1: Did it?
1:39:33
Speaker 3: I'm not going to mention their name because they're— Okay.
1:39:36
So I tell this person, they had a stallion of mine,
1:39:40
a young two-year-old, and they were showing it and they
1:39:42
did a great job. I brought the horse home. The
1:39:45
horse wasn't— Horse wasn't going to be good enough to
1:39:48
go to the World Show, which is the Super Bowl,
1:39:51
but he needed another year of growing and training. So
1:39:55
I brought him home. Crazy about these people. Been with them.
1:40:00
Speaker 1: Years.
1:40:01
Speaker 3: I mean, the trainer was my first trainer ever, and
1:40:06
that's been 40-something years ago. Anyway, so I'm over there.
1:40:11
They came to church. I got them to come to church.
1:40:12
I was singing in church the last two weeks ago,
1:40:14
and they came. I asked them, come, I'm singing in church.
1:40:17
And they said, okay, great. So they came to hear
1:40:19
me sing. They loved our preacher. And they said, we're
1:40:21
going to come back. Well, they came back yesterday. All right?
1:40:25
Speaker 1: They came back yesterday.
1:40:27
Speaker 3: We have a meet and greet during the service. I
1:40:28
got up. I went, oh, man, it's great to see you.
1:40:32
And not even thinking that they had had this stud
1:40:37
for so long and did a great job. I said,
1:40:40
guess who came by the house the other day and
1:40:41
saw the barn name for the stud is Bradley. And
1:40:44
Saul Bradley fell in love with him. And I sent
1:40:47
him home with him. He's going to show him. Oh, Bob,
1:40:52
it wasn't pretty. Got mad. Got real in church. Got mad.
1:40:57
Got upset. And I just cold chills went over my mind.
1:41:01
And I got to thinking, what did I do?
1:41:03
Speaker 1: What did I do? What did I do?
1:41:04
Speaker 3: And then I got to thinking. I took this horse
1:41:07
from them and I gave it to another trainer. And
1:41:09
they got this horse looking as good as he is.
1:41:11
They got him going. Now I'm giving it to a
1:41:14
competitive trainer, and I'm telling him, hey, yeah, he fell
1:41:17
in love with him. I said, here, take him.
1:41:19
Speaker 1: Home with you. It hurt them.
1:41:24
Speaker 3: And it was obvious that they were very— one of them
1:41:28
was really upset with me in church. And so the
1:41:31
preacher's up getting restarted, and I had to go get
1:41:33
back in my seat. And then one of them, I
1:41:34
told Tammy, my wife, I said, holy cow, man, I
1:41:38
just hurt their feelings. I mean, they are upset with
1:41:40
me because I sent this horse with some other trainer.
1:41:43
And I said, God, I would have never done that.
1:41:45
I would have never done that. Had I been thinking,
1:41:48
I wouldn't have said a word about that. Not a word.
1:41:51
But since they had had the horse, I figured it
1:41:53
was no big deal, right?
1:41:54
Speaker 1: My horse.
1:41:55
Speaker 3: I do with it what I want. Throughout the service,
1:41:59
which was a great, great service. I was picking up
1:42:03
on what the preacher was saying. I found myself during
1:42:06
that service.
1:42:07
Speaker 1: You ready for this?
1:42:08
Speaker 3: Praying that God would help me go make things right
1:42:11
with them. Because I couldn't stand the fact that I
1:42:16
had upset them so much. So when the service was
1:42:18
over and they were going, I went and grabbed them
1:42:21
and said, I am so sorry. I want to apologize.
1:42:24
I wasn't thinking. I made a huge mistake. You're my
1:42:28
dear friends. I just don't, you know, and I feel
1:42:31
like I made it right, but I had to go.
1:42:34
And make that right because it just killed me.
1:42:37
Speaker 1: But that's great, Terry. That means you're a good guy.
1:42:39
That's great.
1:42:40
Speaker 3: I hope so.
1:42:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're a great guy. That's a great thing
1:42:43
to do because you care. If you didn't care, if
1:42:46
you were like, ah, screw them. What's wrong with them? Oh,
1:42:48
I ruined my service. That's because you're a good guy.
1:42:50
And I drive a long way to go to church.
1:42:52
That's because you're a good guy. That's because you're a
1:42:54
good guy. I really believe that. You wanted them to
1:42:57
feel better. Absolutely. And I bet you did make it right.
1:43:00
And I didn't do it. You didn't do it on purpose?
1:43:02
It wasn't exactly. Of course. Of course. Well, sometimes people
1:43:05
don't think. You know, I mean, some people. You ever
1:43:09
done that?
1:43:09
Speaker 3: You ever gone to someone and say, hey, I went
1:43:12
to a guy and told him a hundred thousand times
1:43:14
how sorry I was. And I want you to know
1:43:16
he was my best friend at the time. And we
1:43:18
have not spoken since. That's now.
1:43:21
Speaker 1: Some people are not that kind. That's not on me. No,
1:43:25
that's on him.
1:43:25
Speaker 3: That's on him.
1:43:26
Speaker 1: Some people are not charitable and they don't want to
1:43:28
forgive people. They'd like to be wronged. There's people that
1:43:31
like to be in conflict with people. And generally those people,
1:43:34
their life is a mess. That's generally not a balanced person.
1:43:38
Speaker 3: Man, this guy's life's not a mess, but I just— Well, why?
1:43:40
Speaker 1: Is it so touching?
1:43:41
Speaker 3: Look, if you tell— look, let's say you say something here
1:43:43
today and it really upsets me. You're probably going to
1:43:46
know it now that we've been getting— and you're probably saying, hey,
1:43:50
are you okay with this? And I'm going to tell you,
1:43:53
you know, no, I'm not. I'm not okay with that.
1:43:56
Speaker 1: Well, then I would apologize.
1:43:59
Speaker 3: That's what I'm– that's my point.
1:44:00
Speaker 1: And if you said something that pissed me off, I
1:44:02
think if you apologized, I'd accept it immediately too.
1:44:05
Speaker 3: But you've already said I'm a good guy. I'm not
1:44:06
going to do that.
1:44:08
Speaker 1: People don't mean to hurt people's feelings for the most part.
1:44:11
Speaker 3: Some do.
1:44:11
Speaker 1: Some people do. But those people you generally know that
1:44:14
that's that kind of person in the first place and
1:44:16
you probably wouldn't be hanging out with them.
1:44:18
Speaker 3: No.
1:44:19
Speaker 1: But when you're close to someone, you love someone, you
1:44:21
got to have some forgiveness. You got to realize that
1:44:24
people are human.
1:44:25
Speaker 3: And humans make mistakes. When you've been friends for as
1:44:26
long as I have been with this one person, I
1:44:30
had another person.
1:44:31
Speaker 1: What was the issue?
1:44:32
Speaker 3: Issue was I made fun of him on the golf course.
1:44:35
Speaker 1: That's it?
1:44:35
Speaker 3: Yeah. I make fun of everybody on the golf course.
1:44:38
You know why? Because I suck.
1:44:42
Speaker 1: I'm bad, Joe. I'm bad.
1:44:44
Speaker 3: Now, I love to play, and I love to play
1:44:46
with my friends and have a simple.
1:44:47
Speaker 1: Little $ 5.
1:44:49
Speaker 3: Bet, and it's not much.
1:44:50
Speaker 1: Right. But I love to say, oh, nice shot. It's fun.
1:44:54
Speaker 3: Me.
1:44:55
Speaker 4: Me.
1:44:55
Speaker 1: I know I'm an asshole. Right.
1:44:58
Speaker 3: You know the bad side of you, right? Mm-hmm.
1:45:00
Speaker 1: You know your bad side. I know mine. I know mine. Yeah.
1:45:04
My wife calls it Roy.
1:45:05
Speaker 3: Roy.
1:45:06
Speaker 1: Oh, you have a different guy inside of you?
1:45:07
Speaker 3: What is that movie?
1:45:09
Speaker 1: True Grit? Primal Fear. Oh, okay.
1:45:17
Speaker 3: You need to look at me at the end. You go,
1:45:19
had me fooled. You go, holy cow. So I took
1:45:23
on the name Roy. So when I'm going into a
1:45:26
dark area.
1:45:26
Speaker 1: Edward Norton's character?
1:45:27
Speaker 3: Yes.
1:45:27
Speaker 1: Was it Roy?
1:45:28
Speaker 3: Yes. I think it was Roy.
1:45:30
Speaker 1: That movie was great.
1:45:31
Speaker 3: Oh.
1:45:31
Speaker 1: That turn at the end. Oh, did it have you fooled?
1:45:35
I was like, what? I know.
1:45:38
Speaker 3: At the end of that movie, I'm like, whoa.
1:45:42
Speaker 1: That's another very smart guy. Edward Norton, I had him
1:45:45
in on the podcast. Very interesting guy. I find actors
1:45:50
in general very... They're really good ones.
1:45:54
Speaker 3: They are.
1:45:56
Speaker 1: Cooper, I love.
1:45:58
Speaker 3: McConaughey, I've done a movie I love.
1:45:59
Speaker 1: He's great. Great guy, too. Who else do I?
1:46:04
Speaker 3: George Foreman.
1:46:04
Speaker 1: Also very smart.
1:46:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, very smart. George Foreman, we did a show together
1:46:08
called Better Late Than Never. Never got to know him
1:46:12
in two years. Never got to know him in two years.
1:46:14
Speaker 1: Really?
1:46:15
Speaker 3: Never got to know him in two years.
1:46:16
Speaker 1: How come?
1:46:16
Speaker 3: He totally didn't associate with any of us.
1:46:19
Speaker 1: We had lunch.
1:46:19
Speaker 3: He'd sit over here with his son.
1:46:21
Speaker 1: Had dinner.
1:46:21
Speaker 3: He'd sit over here with his son.
1:46:24
Speaker 1: It could be.
1:46:25
Speaker 3: I would only guess that he's shy. He didn't like
1:46:28
the fact that we drank.
1:46:30
Speaker 1: Oh.
1:46:30
Speaker 3: He didn't like the language that was used.
1:46:32
Speaker 1: Because he's a preacher. Right.
1:46:34
Speaker 3: And I asked him one time, I said, George, how
1:46:36
big is your congregation? He said, 120.
1:46:39
Speaker 1: I said, really? How long have you been doing this?
1:46:40
Speaker 3: I think he said something, maybe 20 years or something.
1:46:43
I said, because I've been taught as a Baptist and
1:46:45
as a preacher, your congregation grows, right?
1:46:48
Speaker 1: Right, right.
1:46:49
Speaker 3: Right. Your congregation grows. And I said, so how many? 120.
1:46:54
Speaker 1: I said. oh, wow, it's small.
1:46:57
Speaker 3: I said, you're building, you're growing. He said, no, 120
1:47:00
is enough. And I went, 120 is enough? I said,
1:47:05
so George, when do you start preparing your sermon? Do
1:47:09
you start on Tuesday like most preachers? No.
1:47:12
Speaker 1: Oh, you don't?
1:47:13
Speaker 3: So when do you start preparing for your sermons? Wednesday?
1:47:16
Speaker 4: No.
1:47:19
Speaker 3: So when do you start preparing for your sermon? He says,
1:47:22
when I stand up to preach, God tells me what
1:47:25
to say.
1:47:26
Speaker 1: Wow.
1:47:27
Speaker 3: Okay. You're going to argue with George Foreman. I'm not.
1:47:30
But that was like, all right, brother.
1:47:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not arguing.
1:47:36
Speaker 3: But yeah, he was, I wanted to get to know him.
1:47:38
He was friendly, but he was just.
1:47:42
Speaker 1: It was blocked. Yeah.
1:47:43
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:47:44
Speaker 1: Well, he's also another guy that's been famous for a
1:47:46
long time. A long time. He's probably figured out how
1:47:49
to block people out. And also he went through that
1:47:51
dark period when he quit fighting for 10 years and.
1:47:55
You know, the losing to Ali, I mean, that was
1:47:57
very hard on him, you know?
1:47:59
Speaker 3: He knew better when he lost to Thrill in Manila.
1:48:03
Speaker 1: He knew better. It was Rumble in the Jungle. Oh, okay. Well,
1:48:07
they both rhyme, right? They definitely rhyme. Well, that was
1:48:11
Don King, right?
1:48:12
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah.
1:48:13
Speaker 1: He knew how to promote a fight. But he knew better.
1:48:16
Speaker 3: He told me that the hit that I took was nothing.
1:48:23
But he said I was so tired.
1:48:26
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:48:28
Speaker 3: And I went, you're kidding. He said, yeah.
1:48:30
Speaker 1: He said the hit was nothing. Nothing.
1:48:33
Speaker 3: But he went down. He just, thank God I'm down.
1:48:36
I can get some air and get some breath. Yeah.
1:48:38
Speaker 1: He was definitely exhausted.
1:48:39
Speaker 2: Oh.
1:48:40
Speaker 1: That was a strategy.
1:48:40
Speaker 3: But he knew better. He knew what was going on.
1:48:43
But he thought with his power, he'd break a rib or.
1:48:47
Speaker 1: Something, you know. Well, he had so much power.
1:48:50
Speaker 4: Oh.
1:48:50
Speaker 1: I mean, when he fought Joe Frazier, he lifted him
1:48:52
off his feet with a punch. I mean, he was
1:48:55
extraordinarily powerful. Quick. He hit so hard. Yeah, George was—
1:48:59
How can you be that quick?
1:49:00
Speaker 3: I mean, that big.
1:49:03
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, that's his job.
1:49:05
Speaker 3: Impressive, man.
1:49:06
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, he was very impressive.
1:49:07
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:49:08
Speaker 1: I mean, that Ali fight was so crazy. That was
1:49:11
another fight where Ali was expected to lose, just like
1:49:13
the Sonny Liston fight.
1:49:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:49:15
Speaker 1: And it was such an upset that Hunter Thompson flew
1:49:18
to Africa to cover it and didn't go to the fight.
1:49:21
He wound up just drinking and floating around in his
1:49:24
pool and blew off the fight because he didn't want
1:49:26
to watch Ali get knocked out. Really? Because Ali was
1:49:29
his hero. And he messed it up because he was
1:49:32
supposed to be a journalist for Rolling Stone at the time.
1:49:34
So they flew him over there to cover that fight.
1:49:37
Speaker 3: See, You threw out your intelligence on me, throwing me
1:49:41
a curveball. Because I'm going, Hunter, okay, yeah, okay.
1:49:46
Speaker 1: Who's Hunter? I had no idea who that guy was.
1:49:49
You don't know who Hunter S. Thompson is?
1:49:51
Speaker 3: Why would I know him?
1:49:52
Speaker 1: You never heard of him? The gonzo journalist, Hunter S. Thompson?
1:49:55
Speaker 3: No, no.
1:49:56
Speaker 1: The very famous journalist.
1:49:57
Speaker 3: Is he in the Quarter Horse Journal? No.
1:50:00
Speaker 1: The Angus Weekly? No. No. He's the guy from Fear
1:50:04
and Loathing in Las Vegas. Do you know that? You
1:50:06
never heard of that book? The movie that Johnny Depp did,
1:50:09
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, where he played Hunter Thompson.
1:50:11
Speaker 4: He did write that about horses.
1:50:13
Speaker 1: The Kentucky Derby is decadent and depraved. That's one of
1:50:15
his best works. Really? It's a fantastic story. Hey, listen.
1:50:18
That's Hunter Thompson. He was a maniac.
1:50:20
Speaker 3: When I first got into the cattle business, my wife, ex-wife,
1:50:24
and I went to a big cattle sale. To your
1:50:27
point about me saying, I don't know who he is. Now,
1:50:29
I just played it off.
1:50:31
Speaker 1: All right?
1:50:32
Speaker 3: I didn't want to embarrass myself. But then I got
1:50:34
to thinking, I don't know who this guy is. Now,
1:50:36
you answered who he was, but I didn't care.
1:50:38
Speaker 1: I get it. So I go to this cattle sale.
1:50:41
Speaker 3: This auctioneer is out there, and he wants to meet me,
1:50:44
Terry Bradshaw. So I got my ex-wife there, the auctioneer,
1:50:47
and a couple of his ring stewards. And we're sitting
1:50:50
there talking. So I asked a simple question.
1:50:52
Speaker 1: So tell me, Mr. Auctioneer, what do you make.
1:50:55
Speaker 3: The most money on in auctioning off stuff? He goes, Terry,
1:51:01
we're really hitting a home run right now with limousines.
1:51:05
Speaker 1: Limousines.
1:51:07
Speaker 3: Now, see, my brain, I'm at a cow auction.
1:51:09
Speaker 1: Right. And he's.
1:51:12
Speaker 3: A cow auctioneer.
1:51:13
Speaker 1: Right.
1:51:13
Speaker 3: He's not supposed to sell cars.
1:51:15
Speaker 1: Right. Cars. When you think cars, limousines. That's what I
1:51:19
would have thought. That's what I would have thought.
1:51:22
Speaker 3: I was about to say to him, oh, my God,
1:51:25
you mean to tell me you sell cars? And my
1:51:29
ex-wife goes, you mean to tell me that you sell cars?
1:51:34
And he goes, oh, sweetie. And I'm like, this is
1:51:39
the funnest.
1:51:39
Speaker 1: Shit here, boy.
1:51:40
Speaker 3: That's hilarious. What a dumbass. And he goes, no, honey,
1:51:46
limousine is a breed of cattle.
1:51:49
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a limousine cattle. There you go. There's a
1:51:51
limousine right there.
1:51:53
Speaker 3: You know what I like about this show? What? When
1:51:55
you just think you're throwing everybody a curveball, they throw
1:51:57
it up on the screen.
1:51:58
Speaker 1: That's Jamie. Jamie, you're amazing, man. He's the best.
1:52:01
Speaker 3: When he's sober, he is numb better. Serious.
1:52:04
Speaker 1: When he's sober?
1:52:05
Speaker 3: When he's sober.
1:52:05
Speaker 1: You should see him when he's drunk. Oh, my God.
1:52:07
He's even better.
1:52:08
Speaker 3: But anyway, I thought, you know, I should write a
1:52:11
book about some of this stuff.
1:52:13
Speaker 1: You should. I should. Why not? I don't know.
1:52:16
Speaker 3: I think I've got enough time.
1:52:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe a documentary. Maybe just sit down with someone
1:52:21
and have them tell all these stories.
1:52:23
Speaker 3: You're thinking nobody would care about these stories.
1:52:25
Speaker 1: Sure they would. Absolutely. Edit them up. Do a good
1:52:28
job with the editing.
1:52:29
Speaker 3: Should I start a podcast?
1:52:31
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I don't think so. Terry Bradshaw experience?
1:52:33
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. No. You know what? Joe, listen.
1:52:38
You started this 15 years ago or something?
1:52:40
Speaker 1: Something like that, yeah. Do you have any idea it
1:52:42
would be like this?
1:52:43
Speaker 3: No. No. So why do I want to do something
1:52:46
like this when there's a million podcasts going on?
1:52:49
Speaker 1: Well, you would only do it if you like doing it.
1:52:52
Speaker 3: I would not like doing it.
1:52:53
Speaker 1: Well, then don't do it. I don't want to. Look,
1:52:56
I got enough on my plate right now. Don't do
1:52:58
it unless it seems interesting to you. Besides that, who's
1:53:01
going to come on my show? A lot of people
1:53:03
would come on the Terry Bradshaw show.
1:53:04
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.
1:53:05
Speaker 1: I came on your show when you had a TV show.
1:53:07
Did you? Yeah. What show was that? Remember you had
1:53:09
a TV show? Yeah. Yeah, I was on it. I
1:53:11
was a guest. When I had the Fox show? Whatever
1:53:15
that talk show thing you did was. Get out. Yeah.
1:53:18
Speaker 3: You were one of my star guests?
1:53:20
Speaker 1: I was a guest when I was on news radio.
1:53:23
That was a sitcom.
1:53:25
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:53:26
Speaker 1: Oh, well. I believe it was news radio. It was
1:53:28
a long time ago. Oh, I remember. No, you don't. No,
1:53:31
you don't. Oh, no, no, Joe. Yeah. You were great,
1:53:34
by the way. I loved you, man. You were great.
1:53:37
We talked about limousine cattle.
1:53:38
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
1:53:40
Speaker 1: Hunter Thompson. What are you drinking?
1:53:42
Speaker 3: Oh, you're drinking coffee now.
1:53:43
Speaker 1: It was a hoot.
1:53:44
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. That was a fun show.
1:53:47
Speaker 1: I don't remember you. But you could do something like
1:53:50
that if you wanted to. I mean, you could do
1:53:52
anything if you wanted to. But you definitely would get
1:53:54
guests if you ever wanted to do a podcast.
1:53:56
Speaker 3: I did a radio show once.
1:53:58
Speaker 1: How was that? It was good. It was good, but
1:54:00
it was just hard to get people. Really? Yeah. That
1:54:04
doesn't make sense to me. I will. Where were you
1:54:06
doing it out of?
1:54:07
Speaker 4: L.A.
1:54:08
Speaker 1: Oh, so many people in L.A.
1:54:09
Speaker 3: How is that hard to get people? When I had
1:54:10
my daytime show in L.A., I couldn't get anybody.
1:54:13
Speaker 1: Really? I got Whoopi Goldberg. One time. But you laughed
1:54:19
and farted. How was she? Was she fun? Yeah, she
1:54:22
was a blast. Yeah, she was.
1:54:24
Speaker 3: She was the biggest thing we.
1:54:26
Speaker 1: Ever had on this show. She's probably fun when she's
1:54:27
not on The View.
1:54:28
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:54:28
Speaker 3: I don't know about The View.
1:54:30
Speaker 1: All those hands get together. I watched that show. I'm like, ladies,
1:54:38
go outside. Hug a tree.
1:54:41
Speaker 3: I had Whoopi. I had Charlton Heston. Now you're talking...
1:54:46
How was he?
1:54:47
Speaker 1: Fabulous. Yeah? I couldn't.
1:54:50
Speaker 3: The show, I could have done three hours. I was
1:54:53
just fascinated. He was so nice. You know, is there
1:54:57
anything worse, Joe, than thinking you, and that's my understanding,
1:55:02
you won't bring people on here that you don't feel
1:55:05
comfortable with.
1:55:06
Speaker 1: No, if I'm not interested in talking to them.
1:55:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm very honored to be here today. But
1:55:11
can you imagine? Can you imagine? Can you imagine? Having
1:55:16
people on.
1:55:17
Speaker 1: That are just jerks. Yeah. Or interviewing them. And it's like, oh, God.
1:55:25
Speaker 3: Where can I go here to get something out of
1:55:27
this interview? You know?
1:55:29
Speaker 1: It's just, God. It's just.
1:55:32
Speaker 3: But, yeah. But Charlton Heston. I had Garth Brooks, which
1:55:36
was fabulous. I gave Charlton Heston the whole hour. Just
1:55:40
me and him. It was great.
1:55:42
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
1:55:42
Speaker 3: Kind of like this.
1:55:43
Speaker 1: He was amazing.
1:55:44
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:55:45
Speaker 1: He was like one of the first big actors that
1:55:47
was like publicly conservative. Remember he was like, he did
1:55:51
the NRA.
1:55:51
Speaker 3: They caught hell for that.
1:55:53
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Was he the head of the NRA at
1:55:55
one point? No, no, no. It was a part of
1:55:57
the NRA. Part of it. I think he did something
1:55:59
with the NRA.
1:55:59
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:56:00
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:56:00
Speaker 3: But he was, yeah, he was huge.
1:56:03
Speaker 1: He famously was like, you can have my gun when
1:56:05
you pry my cold dead fingers from it.
1:56:08
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm, My brother has I don't know how
1:56:12
many guns.
1:56:12
Speaker 1: I said, what do you do with all those guns? Man,
1:56:14
you got to have guns.
1:56:15
Speaker 3: I said, Gary, he's got those rifles that shoot 5,000
1:56:22
rounds in 10 seconds.
1:56:23
Speaker 1: What are those things called? AR-15.
1:56:27
Speaker 3: He's got five or six. I said, what do you
1:56:29
do with all those guns?
1:56:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, you never know when you're going to need a gun.
1:56:33
There's a lot of people like that in this country. Oh,
1:56:34
my God, they are.
1:56:36
Speaker 3: And I got a— I got a bunch of guns,
1:56:42
but everybody gives me guns.
1:56:44
Speaker 1: I don't shoot guns. You don't shoot guns at all?
1:56:46
Speaker 3: No.
1:56:47
Speaker 1: No? No.
1:56:48
Speaker 3: My wife only let me put a gun by the bed.
1:56:50
I've been burglarized six times.
1:56:54
Speaker 1: Have you really?
1:56:55
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:56:55
Speaker 1: Where do you live?
1:56:56
Speaker 3: I got shot at with a shotgun.
1:56:57
Speaker 1: This is how I can tell you that when you
1:57:00
get shot at with a shotgun, flames come out of
1:57:03
the gun.
1:57:05
Speaker 3: Flames. And I'm running in the backyard to get in
1:57:09
my car. And this guy goes around the backside. Boom.
1:57:13
Speaker 1: Where was this? Flames. And BBs. And I get in
1:57:18
the old GTO, 1970 GTO. Nice car. Yellow and black. Oh, man.
1:57:25
Get her done. Yeah, boy. This is nice. And I
1:57:28
got in.
1:57:29
Speaker 3: But.
1:57:30
Speaker 1: I'm used to pushing the button or in reverse, you
1:57:33
go down, right? I pull it down. I turn around.
1:57:36
I hit the brake.
1:57:36
Speaker 3: I go forward right in through the wall.
1:57:39
Speaker 1: Realized you got to go one click. Yeah, it was
1:57:42
not good. Not good.
1:57:44
Speaker 3: But my wife won't let me keep anything.
1:57:46
Speaker 1: So where did you get burglarized six times? Ruston. Ruston, Louisiana. Mansfield,
1:57:52
Louisiana on my ranches.
1:57:54
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:57:54
Speaker 1: On your ranches? Yeah. So they came onto the ranch.
1:57:57
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:57:57
Speaker 1: How big was the ranch? 400 acres at the time. Oh,
1:58:01
so they had to do some driving to get to
1:58:02
the house.
1:58:03
Speaker 3: And they had to go through the gate.
1:58:06
Speaker 1: The gate I locked.
1:58:08
Speaker 3: So how did they get in? Let me tell you something.
1:58:11
You were laying in bed at night and it's 1 a.m.
1:58:13
in the morning and you feel the presence of somebody
1:58:18
else in your house. And a flashlight is going over
1:58:23
your head and going.
1:58:25
Speaker 1: Through the wall like this.
1:58:28
Speaker 3: You I can't even begin to tell you.
1:58:32
Speaker 1: You can't breathe.
1:58:33
Speaker 3: And you don't. And I'm laying down like this and
1:58:35
I'm flattening myself. And back in those days, you're too
1:58:38
young to know this. Remember, well, the princess phone. You
1:58:43
know what the princess phone is?
1:58:44
Speaker 1: Princess phone?
1:58:45
Speaker 3: You know, everything we've been talking about today. You've been
1:58:47
throwing all kind of shit up here. And you don't
1:58:49
know what a princess phone.
1:58:51
Speaker 1: Are you saying prince phone? Princess. Princess. Princess phone. It's
1:58:56
a phone.
1:58:56
Speaker 3: It was one of the first push button phones.
1:58:59
Speaker 1: Phones. You didn't have to. Okay.
1:59:01
Speaker 3: It's printed.
1:59:02
Speaker 1: So I took my look at you. It does. That's
1:59:08
a princess phone. There you go. Thank you so much.
1:59:11
Did you know what that is, Jamie? No. Look, look, look, Joe,
1:59:16
I'm laying in bed.
1:59:17
Speaker 3: I take my left hand and I slide it over
1:59:21
to my princess phone. I take the receiver off and
1:59:24
I take my fingers and I go across the dials.
1:59:27
And I dial, and my uncle, who lives 200 yards away,
1:59:33
I get the phone.
1:59:34
Speaker 1: Pull up to the microphone so people can hear you.
1:59:37
Speaker 3: I pull the phone up. I'm laying back, trying so
1:59:39
he can't see me or anything. And I said, Bobby,
1:59:42
I got a burglar. He's at my bedroom window. He says,
1:59:46
all right, I'm on my way. So I take the
1:59:49
phone down. And you can see the guy hears my
1:59:54
uncle coming. And this guy takes off. And he chases
1:59:57
him down through the pasture and he loses him out
1:59:59
through there. I had another guy go through my house
2:00:04
tearing up my kitchen.
2:00:05
Speaker 1: Same place? No, different place.
2:00:07
Speaker 3: Wow. In college, tearing up my dishes in my kitchen.
2:00:13
Speaker 1: He was looking through the dishes? He was making noise.
2:00:17
Speaker 3: The only thing I could figure was the guy was
2:00:19
trying to run me off. I was living in a
2:00:22
Methodist parsonage out on the edge of town. Come to
2:00:25
find out, this guy was living in the attic over
2:00:28
the office. So the cops found all kind of paraphernalia,
2:00:33
cans of food, beer, up in the office. So the
2:00:36
only thing I can figure is Sean Ryan, but he
2:00:38
ran me off.
2:00:39
Speaker 1: Or he might have just been drugged up. I'm out
2:00:40
of there.
2:00:41
Speaker 3: I don't know what he was.
2:00:41
Speaker 1: He might have been on drugs.
2:00:45
Speaker 3: I've come home twice and had guys running out of
2:00:48
my house, taking off.
2:00:50
Speaker 1: Same house? Yeah. Yeah. Six. Six of these I had.
2:00:55
Speaker 3: Jeez. You ever been shot at?
2:00:57
Speaker 1: So you were running away from these guys. What's his
2:01:00
name again? I forgot. Jamie. Jamie. Young Jamie.
2:01:03
Speaker 3: One more time, son. I'm going to ask you what
2:01:05
your name is.
2:01:06
Speaker 1: Okay. All right. One more. I told you three times, right?
2:01:10
All right.
2:01:10
Speaker 3: I got you down now.
2:01:11
Speaker 1: So the same place. Why'd you keep getting broken into
2:01:14
this one place? I'm not in the middle of nowhere.
2:01:17
Speaker 3: I'm Terry Bradshaw. They want to come in. Another guy
2:01:20
came down. He stole all my stuff out of my garage,
2:01:24
all the chainsaw. He got all the kind of tools
2:01:31
and stuff that he could go and sell.
2:01:34
Speaker 1: Just wipe me out. No security? No. No security system? Nothing?
2:01:40
Speaker 3: No. I got dogs now. And now I've had... Since
2:01:45
Tammy and I, 22 years now, and I got a
2:01:50
guard dog. But I will not leave my wife at home.
2:01:55
My wife and I in 22 years have been apart
2:01:57
two days. I will not leave without my wife.
2:02:00
Speaker 1: What kind of guard dog did you get?
2:02:01
Speaker 3: German Shepherd. I got him from Wayne Samanovich in South Carolina.
2:02:04
Speaker 1: Okay, so you got a trained dog.
2:02:05
Speaker 3: I got a badass dog. His name is Legend. Then
2:02:08
I bought him, I got a female this year. Her
2:02:11
name is, we named her after the Viking character. Freya.
2:02:17
Freya the queen.
2:02:18
Speaker 1: Freya.
2:02:18
Speaker 3: So I'm going to read those because I'm tired of
2:02:21
spending $ 20, 000 for it. So I'm going to raise my
2:02:24
guard dog.
2:02:25
Speaker 1: Nice. Nice.
2:02:27
Speaker 3: And you know what's great about them? They're guard dogs.
2:02:30
You don't play with them.
2:02:30
Speaker 1: Right. You don't play with them. You don't rough them.
2:02:33
You don't grab them. You don't tackle them. They do work.
2:02:37
Speaker 3: They don't mess around.
2:02:38
Speaker 1: Right.
2:02:38
Speaker 3: They don't mess around. They're serious. Yeah.
2:02:40
Speaker 1: They're serious.
2:02:41
Speaker 3: They're soldiers.
2:02:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. You got a dog? Yeah. What do you got?
2:02:45
I have a golden retriever.
2:02:47
Speaker 3: I love them.
2:02:48
Speaker 1: They're great. But he ain't guarding shit.
2:02:50
Speaker 3: No, I know.
2:02:50
Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, come on in. There's ice cream up there.
2:02:53
Speaker 3: If y'all open it, we'll share it.
2:02:55
Speaker 1: He'll let everybody in. And I have another dog. I've
2:02:57
got eight dachshunds. I have another dog that's a King
2:03:01
Charles Cavalier. Do you know what those are, the little
2:03:03
tiny dogs?
2:03:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.
2:03:04
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. He's so adorable.
2:03:05
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:03:06
Speaker 1: He jumps in the pool, and he's just started. He's
2:03:09
a year old, and he started swimming over the last
2:03:12
couple months, and he gets so excited that he whines
2:03:15
like you think he's in pain or something. He's talking.
2:03:20
He's talking to you. Yeah, and he just can't wait
2:03:22
to jump in the water. Really? Oh, he loves it.
2:03:25
Speaker 3: Two of my dachshunds talk constantly.
2:03:28
Speaker 1: Oh, really?
2:03:28
Speaker 3: Oh, and this morning, I'm a little tired today because
2:03:32
for some reason, these two, they sleep with me every night.
2:03:36
Their names are Sadie Lynn and Baby Girl. One's a
2:03:40
black miniature dachshund. The other one is an Australian shepherd
2:03:44
looking black and tan, you know, spotty. Oh, they are precious.
2:03:49
But baby girl likes to.
2:03:50
Speaker 1: Get on my chest.
2:03:51
Speaker 3: When she's got to go outside, she gets on my chest,
2:03:53
puts her chin right.
2:03:55
Speaker 1: Under my mouth.
2:04:00
Speaker 3: And I wake up. And I know exactly what it is.
2:04:02
And I sit there and I go, what time is it?
2:04:06
And I'll go over and I'll get the TV control
2:04:10
and I'll shake it so the light will come on. Oh,
2:04:15
my God, it's 11 o'clock. You've got to be kidding me.
2:04:17
So I'll take them outside, and they'll go potty.
2:04:19
Speaker 1: This is good. Once normally, a lot of times never,
2:04:23
but once max.
2:04:25
Speaker 3: Last night, three times.
2:04:27
Speaker 1: Three times. Oh, yeah, 1.30, 1.30. Oh, what? You've got
2:04:33
to pee again? You've got to be kidding me. So
2:04:36
I slide to the right.
2:04:38
Speaker 3: Down off the bed, these two come.
2:04:40
Speaker 1: We go outside.
2:04:40
Speaker 3: I'm so sleepy. I sit on the steps and put
2:04:45
my head against the porch pole, and I'm like this.
2:04:50
Their heads are in the doorway, and they're looking at
2:04:53
me like, what are we doing? I'm like, you got
2:04:58
to pee, right? No, not really.
2:05:03
Speaker 1: So I go back at 3.30.
2:05:04
Speaker 3: Here I go again, and they went to the bathroom.
2:05:07
Speaker 1: But this is, you know. So sometimes they just want
2:05:10
to wake you up. They just, yeah.
2:05:13
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, look, I'm a dog lover, okay?
2:05:15
Speaker 1: Me too.
2:05:16
Speaker 3: I got ten dogs now.
2:05:18
Speaker 1: Do you really? Oh, yeah. So ten dogs and two
2:05:21
serious guard dogs.
2:05:22
Speaker 3: Two badass dogs.
2:05:23
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the one guard dog is badass.
2:05:26
Speaker 3: The other one is going to be badass. Yeah. And
2:05:29
you know what? When you live where I live, out
2:05:31
where I live, I don't know where you live, but.
2:05:33
Speaker 1: What are you doing? What is that? This is Ultra.
2:05:36
It's nootropic. Do you know what that is?
2:05:38
Speaker 3: No.
2:05:38
Speaker 1: It's essentially brain vitamins.
2:05:42
Speaker 3: How come you don't swallow it?
2:05:43
Speaker 1: Because it's a pouch. Oh. Like a nicotine pouch, same
2:05:47
kind of thing.
2:05:47
Speaker 3: Oh, so it's like you've got a smoking addiction.
2:05:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not.
2:05:51
Speaker 3: You've got a nicotine addiction?
2:05:52
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? This is not nicotine. What
2:05:53
is it?
2:05:54
Speaker 3: You said nicotine.
2:05:54
Speaker 1: No, it's nootropics. Nootropics.
2:05:56
Speaker 3: Is that one of those things that you're into now?
2:05:58
Speaker 1: It's like brain vitamins.
2:06:00
Speaker 3: Is it like ivermectin?
2:06:01
Speaker 1: No, it's like nutrients. Brain nutrients. I don't know.
2:06:06
Speaker 3: Sorry.
2:06:07
Speaker 1: It sucks that you have to have that. I couldn't
2:06:08
help myself. Listen, we're not friends anymore. Yes, we are.
2:06:11
I'm upset with you now. You'll probably have me back
2:06:13
on again. Isn't that hilarious, though, that you could make
2:06:16
fun of a guy playing golf and he doesn't want
2:06:18
to be your friend forever because of that?
2:06:22
Speaker 3: I was shocked.
2:06:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got off light. I had another friend. You
2:06:25
got off light. Yeah, I had another friend. That's a sensitive.
2:06:28
Speaker 3: Another friend I spent four days a week with because,
2:06:30
like I said, I'm playing golf and didn't have a job.
2:06:33
Speaker 1: We hung out.
2:06:34
Speaker 3: His wife and I went to dinner all the time,
2:06:37
cooked out all the time. And then one day, I said, hey.
2:06:42
We just recently passed away. I said, hey, man. I
2:06:46
got us a tea time for more at 1.30. Call
2:06:49
me back.
2:06:49
Speaker 1: Nothing.
2:06:50
Speaker 3: Hey.
2:06:52
Speaker 1: Nothing. Two days, three days, four days, five days, a.
2:06:55
Speaker 3: Week, two weeks, a month. Nothing, nothing, nothing. Never heard
2:07:00
from him again.
2:07:01
Speaker 1: What happened?
2:07:03
Speaker 3: His wife didn't like me.
2:07:04
Speaker 1: Whoa. That's what I found out. His wife didn't like you.
2:07:08
Speaker 3: Yeah. What's not to like? I'm a nice guy.
2:07:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't understand that at all.
2:07:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she's just jealous of our relationship.
2:07:16
Speaker 1: Oh, there's those kind of relationships. Guys and gals will
2:07:19
do that. Will they separate you from your friends? That's
2:07:22
a real fucking problem. That's a giant red flag right there.
2:07:26
That's not good. A person who doesn't want you having
2:07:29
good friends, that's crazy.
2:07:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
2:07:32
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
2:07:33
Speaker 3: You know, I'm the luckiest guy in the world because
2:07:35
I work for a network with four, sometimes five guys.
2:07:43
And if you can put five big egos together and
2:07:46
have everybody love and care about one another, I'm going
2:07:49
to tell you that's special.
2:07:50
Speaker 1: That is special.
2:07:51
Speaker 3: That Fox show is so special. It is. You've seen
2:07:57
this show, I assume.
2:07:59
Speaker 1: Yes.
2:08:00
Speaker 3: We're just like a locker room.
2:08:02
Speaker 1: Well, that's how it's supposed to be. And we had
2:08:04
so much fun. Yeah, and that's what people like watching, too.
2:08:07
I think so. I think you're right. A hundred percent.
2:08:09
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:08:09
Speaker 1: People want to watch people that actually are friends. Yeah.
2:08:11
That's giant. And we have fun.
2:08:13
Speaker 3: We had this one. I mean, you learn where you
2:08:16
can go with your friends. Yeah. Yeah.
2:08:19
Speaker 1: All right.
2:08:19
Speaker 3: You know, you learn.
2:08:20
Speaker 1: Don't go here. Don't go there. Which is fine.
2:08:22
Speaker 3: You want you want to make sure that because we're
2:08:24
on live television.
2:08:26
Speaker 1: So you want to.
2:08:27
Speaker 3: Don't ever want to embarrass anybody on live television. So
2:08:29
you learn where to go and you build that trust.
2:08:33
And then that trust, because you have the trust, you
2:08:35
become you bond, become.
2:08:37
Speaker 1: Hey, how you doing?
2:08:38
Speaker 3: Hey, man, I was this week.
2:08:39
Speaker 1: How's your daughter? It's great. Hey, how's your wife? Great.
2:08:43
I mean, it's just.
2:08:44
Speaker 3: Everybody hugs everybody.
2:08:46
Speaker 1: Hey, how was your week? I mean, I can't even begin.
2:08:49
Speaker 3: The day that that show is over for me, and
2:08:51
I hope I die on set, which is I've always said,
2:08:54
if I could just die on set. Think about it, Joe.
2:08:57
Think about it. If I die on set.
2:09:00
Speaker 1: Seriously?
2:09:01
Speaker 3: If I could just get a couple words out before
2:09:04
I go.
2:09:05
Speaker 1: A good one. I don't want to just... It's one
2:09:10
last good line. I really do think Dallas.
2:09:13
Speaker 3: It's going to win the Super Bowl. If I could
2:09:16
just get something out.
2:09:17
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:09:18
Speaker 3: Forever.
2:09:19
Speaker 1: Immortal, right? Right. Ah, great. Yeah.
2:09:22
Speaker 3: So I said, and that's the way I feel. I
2:09:26
assume that's the way you do this show. You can't
2:09:28
wait to do it. You should. This is awesome to
2:09:30
get down and sit down with people from different walks
2:09:34
of life, basically.
2:09:35
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:09:36
Speaker 3: Politicians don't agree with you, religious people, whatever, and just
2:09:41
sit there and you build this You know, you get
2:09:44
to know these people. You ask all these questions, or
2:09:47
in my case, I'm just jumping around here. That's what
2:09:50
I do. Well, he hadn't asked me about this.
2:09:53
Speaker 1: I like a jump around. Is it Simon? Jamie. Jamie!
2:09:56
I told you, Jamie.
2:09:57
Speaker 3: That's it.
2:09:58
Speaker 1: No, I got it. Young Jamie. Think of it like
2:10:01
Van Halen. Jamie's crying. Whoa, whoa, whoa, Jamie's crying. Remember
2:10:06
that song?
2:10:06
Speaker 3: Look, I got it here. Jamie.
2:10:09
Speaker 1: Jamie. Young Jamie. Jamie, you married? Attaboy. Free man. Free. Ladies.
2:10:15
Speaker 3: How old are you, Jamie?
2:10:17
Speaker 1: Old enough. What are you saying? Old enough.
2:10:21
Speaker 3: What's that?
2:10:21
Speaker 1: What's old enough? Old enough to know. So how old
2:10:24
are you, Jamie? 43.
2:10:25
Speaker 4: Hmm.
2:10:26
Speaker 1: Okay. Got a girl? Not right now.
2:10:29
Speaker 3: Ooh.
2:10:30
Speaker 1: Okay. He's free right now.
2:10:32
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:10:34
Speaker 1: Ladies. Okay. Young Jamie's on the prowl.
2:10:37
Speaker 3: Jamie, you on the prowl?
2:10:38
Speaker 1: Sure.
2:10:39
Speaker 3: All right.
2:10:43
Speaker 1: There's a lot of good-looking women in Austin, Texas, Jamie.
2:10:45
There is. It's a good place. You need some help.
2:10:48
You need me to put a good word in for you, bub?
2:10:50
Speaker 4: Let's go out tonight.
2:10:54
Speaker 3: I guess we need to move on, right?
2:10:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's move on.
2:10:57
Speaker 3: But anyway, I'm so— in talking about that show, it just.
2:11:00
Speaker 1: Well, having a show like that where a bunch of
2:11:02
people are really actually friends is so huge for the viewer.
2:11:06
It is.
2:11:08
Speaker 3: Listen, do you want to turn on a show like pregame?
2:11:11
Come on, pregame shows. Right.
2:11:12
Speaker 1: I watch them. I go, oh, God. Especially if it's stiff.
2:11:15
Shut up! Right. Shut up! Announcers, guys doing games. Shut
2:11:21
the up.
2:11:22
Speaker 3: Right.
2:11:23
Speaker 1: Or when they're just sports guys that really aren't actually
2:11:26
passionate about football.
2:11:27
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:11:28
Speaker 1: And you hear them talking, and you're like, what are
2:11:29
they talking about?
2:11:30
Speaker 3: You know what they're talking about?
2:11:31
Speaker 1: Stats.
2:11:31
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:11:32
Speaker 1: They get it all right here.
2:11:34
Speaker 3: Yeah. And let me tell you something. Yeah. I hate stats.
2:11:39
Speaker 1: I hate them. They're okay occasionally, but they shouldn't be.
2:11:42
Speaker 3: If they make a real point.
2:11:44
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:11:45
Speaker 3: But if all you got is, well, it's the 50th,
2:11:47
and I'm third quarter, and the wind's blowing out of
2:11:49
the southwest. Yes. Yeah.
2:11:51
Speaker 1: If it makes a.
2:11:52
Speaker 3: Point in a big, but otherwise.
2:11:55
Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
2:11:56
Speaker 3: I remember once, well, anyway, I was talking about all
2:11:59
the guys, and I love telling this story on Howie.
2:12:03
Howie is my best friend on the show, without question.
2:12:07
I mean, we are so different. He went to Villanova.
2:12:11
I went to an engineering school at Louisiana Tech. I
2:12:15
got a college degree. Howie, I'm sorry, he didn't graduate.
2:12:20
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Howie.
2:12:22
Speaker 3: Don't hate me for it. It's big ass. What are
2:12:24
you talking about?
2:12:25
Speaker 1: Hey, I love you. I shouldn't have said, Joe, I
2:12:28
didn't say that.
2:12:29
Speaker 3: Anyway, so we're doing this show. And we had Jimmy
2:12:34
Johnson on the show. Jimmy's great. Oh, Jimmy was awesome.
2:12:39
So Jimmy's telling this story.
2:12:41
Speaker 1: All right.
2:12:43
Speaker 3: And Jimmy's Jimmy.
2:12:44
Speaker 1: It's a funny story.
2:12:46
Speaker 3: And Jimmy starts laughing. We all start laughing.
2:12:50
Speaker 1: Strahan.
2:12:53
Speaker 3: We're belly aching.
2:12:54
Speaker 1: That's funny. That's funny, Jimmy.
2:12:56
Speaker 3: Michael Strahan's next. The director, we got it all worked out.
2:13:00
It goes Jimmy, Michael, Terry, Howie.
2:13:02
Speaker 1: Jimmy, Howie. Yeah, Howie. So Michael Strahan, he adds to
2:13:07
that story, and it's even funnier. Oh, my God, stop.
2:13:15
Stop right now. Now it's my turn. Now I've got to, you're.
2:13:22
Speaker 3: A comedian, you know, you've got to match it at least, right?
2:13:26
Speaker 1: Or do it one better.
2:13:28
Speaker 3: I'm adding to what Michael said, to what Jimmy said,
2:13:31
and we're rolling.
2:13:32
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Oh, God, stop. Oh, this is killing me.
2:13:38
Speaker 3: Howie's turn. Howie looks at the camera. The outside linebacker
2:13:45
for Seattle, Bucky Buckhalter, sprang his ankle in pregame warmup.
2:13:51
He won't be starting today for the Seahawks. Jasper Julian
2:13:58
will be in his place out of Kansas State. What?
2:14:10
And we go to commercial break.
2:14:12
Speaker 1: And I'm like, three, ha, ha, ha.
2:14:16
Speaker 3: One, oh. So I'm looking at Howie. And I'm staring
2:14:21
at Howie. I'm just like this. He turns, he feels me.
2:14:25
He turns around and says, what? I said, you can't
2:14:31
help it, can you?
2:14:32
Speaker 1: Help what?
2:14:34
Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about. No, I don't. What
2:14:36
are you talking about?
2:14:36
Speaker 1: And I said, what? You're boring.
2:14:45
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have said it if I didn't know I
2:14:47
could get away with it.
2:14:48
Speaker 1: Right.
2:14:48
Speaker 3: And for the rest of the show, he was hilarious
2:14:51
because he said.
2:14:51
Speaker 1: Well, you know, being boring, let me say. And it
2:14:55
was funny. But yeah, it was.
2:14:57
Speaker 3: You can't do that. Unless there's trust.
2:15:00
Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
2:15:01
Speaker 3: And Strahan, the first day Strahan was on the show,
2:15:04
we gave him half a cake. He said, why am
2:15:07
I getting half a cake? Well, you just got divorced.
2:15:09
You lost the other half.
2:15:11
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Well, if you can't joke around with people,
2:15:15
that's no fun.
2:15:16
Speaker 3: No.
2:15:17
Speaker 1: That's not a good relationship.
2:15:19
Speaker 3: Well, you better know who you're joking around with.
2:15:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like if you can't joke around with someone,
2:15:23
like what's the point? That's what people do. It's part
2:15:26
of fun in life. You should be able to take
2:15:28
a joke. You should be able to give a joke.
2:15:29
You should be able to have fun.
2:15:30
Speaker 3: With each other. You just got to know when.
2:15:33
Speaker 1: Sure.
2:15:33
Speaker 3: I mean, friends know when.
2:15:35
Speaker 1: Sure.
2:15:36
Speaker 3: I mean, I talk to Howie all the time, all
2:15:39
the time, and his son Kyle just got– Signed with
2:15:43
CBS for their Today show, which is.
2:15:45
Speaker 1: Oh, that's awesome.
2:15:46
Speaker 3: Great. Great for him.
2:15:48
Speaker 1: And he's good. Howie did movies for a while, right?
2:15:50
Speaker 3: Howie was voted the up-and-coming star. And he had these
2:15:54
three young kids. And he says, I don't want to
2:15:56
raise my kids in L.A. Where's the best place I
2:15:59
can raise my kids? And they found a school system, Charlottesville, Virginia.
2:16:03
He moved to Virginia and took his kid there and
2:16:05
quit doing movies.
2:16:05
Speaker 1: Good for him.
2:16:07
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:16:07
Speaker 3: That's having your priorities together.
2:16:09
Speaker 1: I remember reading something about him talking about it, like
2:16:11
his experience with movies. Like he didn't like it. Well,
2:16:14
he didn't like Hollywood. He didn't like the whole thing.
2:16:18
Speaker 3: He could have been– Didn't.
2:16:21
Speaker 1: Someone hit on him too? Hit on him? I think
2:16:24
some guys hit on him. A guy hit on him?
2:16:27
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:16:27
Speaker 1: Is that true? He did– Find out if that's true.
2:16:30
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'd find that out.
2:16:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe don't look that up. Forget it. Don't look
2:16:34
that up. But the point being— Hey, look. Simon. I
2:16:38
mean— Jamie.
2:16:39
Speaker 3: Jamie.
2:16:40
Speaker 1: Simon, that's your new name, bro. I don't think Jamie.
2:16:45
Don't look that up. Yeah, don't look it up. I
2:16:47
think I might have made that up. Or somebody might
2:16:48
have told me. It might not be true. But the
2:16:50
point is, like, he— He could have been— He did
2:16:52
a bunch of big movies. Yes. And he was on
2:16:55
his way to being a big action star.
2:16:56
Speaker 3: He was. Action star. Yeah.
2:16:58
Speaker 4: For sure.
2:16:58
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, giant guy. Yeah. Handsome.
2:17:01
Speaker 3: Good looking guy.
2:17:01
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:17:02
Speaker 1: Great body. Perfect for an action star.
2:17:04
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:17:04
Speaker 1: And then just, I like it when a guy realizes
2:17:07
like this is, you know, life is short.
2:17:08
Speaker 3: He didn't want to raise nine kids in LA.
2:17:10
Speaker 1: Also, it's just like, you don't want to, you know,
2:17:12
it's what, what you think that life is. It's not. Listen,
2:17:16
it's also like 16 hours a day.
2:17:18
Speaker 3: I've done five movies and you've done, I don't know
2:17:19
how many. And look, I don't want to sit around. Yeah.
2:17:24
All day long and go and deliver one line.
2:17:26
Speaker 1: Exactly.
2:17:27
Speaker 3: And here's the other thing. I'm not ever going to
2:17:31
be a leading man. I'm always going to be Terry Bracho.
2:17:35
Speaker 1: Right, right.
2:17:35
Speaker 3: And that just sucks.
2:17:38
Speaker 1: Seriously.
2:17:39
Speaker 3: You always want to be Joe Rogan.
2:17:41
Speaker 1: No.
2:17:42
Speaker 3: No. No. You would like to be given an opportunity
2:17:44
to really act.
2:17:45
Speaker 1: Well, if I actually wanted to act, yes. Well, yeah, but. But,
2:17:49
I mean, some people. they just don't like to do it.
2:17:51
And I think with Howie, it was probably one of
2:17:54
those things where they probably offered him a bunch of money.
2:17:57
It looks good on paper. And then you start actually
2:17:59
doing it and you realize, like, you're going to be
2:18:01
away for five months filming this thing.
2:18:03
Speaker 3: He was away all year, one year, doing.
2:18:07
Speaker 1: Firestorm. Mm-hmm.
2:18:09
Speaker 3: And he was filming in Vancouver. He was flying in
2:18:12
on Saturday from Vancouver and leaving on a red-eye to
2:18:16
Vancouver and filming all week.
2:18:19
Speaker 1: And I think— Breaks you down. Three little kids. Yeah,
2:18:23
it breaks you down.
2:18:24
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:18:24
Speaker 1: It's not good for you.
2:18:25
Speaker 4: No.
2:18:25
Speaker 1: You don't like it. It doesn't feel good.
2:18:27
Speaker 3: And I applaud him for that. And not only is
2:18:30
he a great husband, great dad— He's a great grandfather.
2:18:35
I'm a terrible grandfather. You got grandkids? No.
2:18:38
Speaker 1: Why are you terrible?
2:18:39
Speaker 3: You know, I just, I'm gone all the time. And
2:18:46
it's kind of like getting that job. Yeah.
2:18:48
Speaker 1: I got to have a job. I got to go
2:18:50
put a suit on. If you have to travel, you
2:18:52
were saying that you give corporate speeches. Right. What do
2:18:54
you do? What are those about? Speeches. Like what do
2:18:57
you speak about?
2:18:58
Speaker 3: Well, I'm talking to a bank Wednesday morning. So I'm
2:19:03
preparing a bank speech.
2:19:06
Speaker 1: What do you say to a bank, to a bunch
2:19:10
of bankers? I know what– Is it about leadership? I know. Yeah,
2:19:16
some of it's about leadership.
2:19:18
Speaker 3: It's about– it's basically all the things that I know, Joe,
2:19:23
have to do with ambition, dreams, drive, goals, failure, overcoming failure.
2:19:32
how to deal with failure, how to rise, how to
2:19:35
deal with success, how to treat people. So it's a
2:19:37
little bit of motivational, a little bit of psychology like
2:19:41
you used early with me.
2:19:43
Speaker 1: When did I use psychology with you?
2:19:45
Speaker 3: You know when you did it.
2:19:47
Speaker 1: You know. Right? Hey, Bernie.
2:19:50
Speaker 3: Bernie.
2:19:50
Speaker 1: He knows. And so you do different ones for different
2:19:57
kind of corporations. It's kind of a lot. Yeah. So
2:19:59
it's kind of like a team building thing. They get
2:20:01
together and you give speeches. Depends on what they want. Interesting.
2:20:04
When did you start doing that?
2:20:06
Speaker 3: I've been doing it 43 years.
2:20:09
Speaker 1: Really? Wow.
2:20:11
Speaker 3: I know. It's amazing.
2:20:12
Speaker 1: That's crazy. And how did you get into that? I
2:20:15
gave a.
2:20:15
Speaker 3: Speech in Destin, Florida for Frito-Lay. And it was taped.
2:20:23
And they paid me $ 5, 000. And I was doing speeches
2:20:26
for $ 1, 200, $ 850. And they offered me 5,000 bucks.
2:20:33
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
2:20:34
Speaker 3: I go down there, and it's for Frito-Lay, so I
2:20:37
build this speech up, and da-da-da-da-da. And they go give
2:20:40
this speech, and the speech is really good. And they
2:20:43
taped it, and they sent me a VHS copy. And
2:20:48
my then-wife put it on one day and thought, oh
2:20:51
my God, this is really good, and it's funny. So
2:20:54
she found out where where the bureaus were.
2:20:58
Speaker 1: Who books speakers? There were 10 really good ones.
2:21:02
Speaker 3: And she sent this tape and a bio to 10
2:21:06
different speaking associations.
2:21:09
Speaker 1: All right?
2:21:10
Speaker 3: We got that through Fran Tarkenden's company in Atlanta, Georgia.
2:21:13
They're the ones that turned us on to it. So
2:21:16
I come in, she says, I sent this off. I'm
2:21:19
getting calls now for speeches.
2:21:22
Speaker 1: I'm like, what?
2:21:23
Speaker 3: She says, yeah, she says, we got, You want to
2:21:26
do this? You want to do that?
2:21:27
Speaker 1: And all of them were for $ 5, 000. $ 5, 000? Are you
2:21:30
shitting me?
2:21:31
Speaker 3: I'm getting $ 5, 000?
2:21:34
Speaker 1: $ 5, 000?
2:21:34
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, my God.
2:21:37
Speaker 1: $ 5, 000? Really? I'm like, amazing.
2:21:42
Speaker 3: So I started doing these speeches for all these different
2:21:44
bureaus for $ 5, 000. Wow. So I go to Hawaii on vacation.
2:21:50
And I'm in Hawaii in a company called Washington Speakers Bureau, WSB.
2:21:53
Speaker 1: They speak nothing. They book.
2:21:56
Speaker 3: Political speakers, and they had Joe Theismann and Jim Valvano
2:22:03
and maybe.
2:22:04
Speaker 1: Lou Holtz, the three guys they had.
2:22:07
Speaker 3: So they call it the rainy day file, and they
2:22:10
got a big box where they get all the, you know,
2:22:12
people send them to them all the time. Hey, Joe,
2:22:15
we want to come on your show. Okay, put it
2:22:16
over there.
2:22:16
Speaker 1: Put it over there. And eventually you go through it. Oh,
2:22:19
we ought to have them on, right?
2:22:20
Speaker 3: That's kind of how it went.
2:22:21
Speaker 1: So one day they're.
2:22:22
Speaker 3: Looking at these tapes and they're going, I don't know,
2:22:24
spitting it, spitting it. Then they came.
2:22:27
Speaker 1: Across Terry Bradshaw.
2:22:28
Speaker 3: Hey, hey, I hear this guy's pretty good. Really, we'll
2:22:34
put it on. They put it on. They went, we
2:22:36
want to sign him.
2:22:37
Speaker 1: So I'm in Hawaii.
2:22:39
Speaker 3: I get a phone call.
2:22:39
Speaker 1: It's in the morning. Hello.
2:22:42
Speaker 3: This is Bernie Swain with Washington Speakers Bureau. I'm here
2:22:45
with Harry Rhodes. We just looked at your tape. We
2:22:48
think you've got great possibilities. We'd love to represent you exclusively.
2:22:52
Speaker 1: Da-da-da-da-da. Please call us back. I thought, what?
2:22:59
Speaker 3: So, you know, it's Hawaii. It's, what, 7 in the morning?
2:23:02
So it's what? It's 1 o'clock there at times. I
2:23:06
call them. And they said, look, we think you've got
2:23:10
great possibility. And we think we can book you and
2:23:14
book you a lot. And I said, well, I'm being
2:23:18
booked by 10 people right now. Why would I want
2:23:20
to go one, one person?
2:23:22
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to.
2:23:23
Speaker 3: Guarantee you 50 speeches is $ 7, 500 a speech.
2:23:29
Speaker 1: Excuse me?
2:23:31
Speaker 3: Did you say $ 7, 500? I'm like, holy cow. So they said,
2:23:38
we'll fly you from Hawaii to Washington, D.C., and we'd
2:23:42
like to sit down with you and go over a proposal.
2:23:44
So they did, and I did. We sat down, fell
2:23:48
in love with these guys. They were awesome. Gave me
2:23:51
a proposal, 50 speeches, $ 7, 500. Add that up. That's a
2:23:55
pretty good chunk of dough. So I signed.
2:23:58
Speaker 1: I'm with them exclusively now.
2:24:00
Speaker 3: And they said, we'll have you at $ 10, 000 in six months. $ 10, 000?
2:24:05
You're going to book me for $ 10, 000?
2:24:07
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? That's crazy.
2:24:11
Speaker 3: Sure enough.
2:24:13
Speaker 1: So that's how you got into speeches.
2:24:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:24:15
Speaker 1: So when you do speeches, like say of like a
2:24:18
tire company, whatever it is, do you write it out
2:24:22
for that company? I never write it. I do not
2:24:25
write a word.
2:24:27
Speaker 3: I cannot write. I write here. So how do you.
2:24:31
Speaker 1: Plan out a speech?
2:24:33
Speaker 3: I write here.
2:24:34
Speaker 1: You just sit around and think about what you're going
2:24:36
to say.
2:24:37
Speaker 3: Exactly. And over time, what speakers do, because I asked
2:24:40
Jay Leno this one time. hey, you're doing 100 stand-ups.
2:24:45
And he says, well, I'll take a theme for this year,
2:24:47
and I do it. I don't change anything other than
2:24:50
the name where I'm going. And so I'm like, oh.
2:24:54
So I don't have to change all of this every time.
2:24:56
And I learned that from Jay Leno. Takes the same
2:24:59
thing and then put tire company in there and build
2:25:02
it around that. And what else I started doing? I
2:25:06
started reading a lot.
2:25:09
Speaker 1: Psychology, salesmanship.
2:25:12
Speaker 3: Leadership um you know one of the guys i that
2:25:16
came to hear me speak here in austin mcraven admiral mcraven.
2:25:22
Speaker 1: Oh okay have you had him on yet no.
2:25:24
Speaker 3: Oh my god the guy that gives the 10 points
2:25:27
of success.
2:25:29
Speaker 1: Yeah i've seen those speeches texas oh yeah.
2:25:31
Speaker 3: Amazing fat the um osama bin laden That's his.
2:25:38
Speaker 1: That's his raid. The whole thing was him.
2:25:41
Speaker 3: He designed that whole raid. Amazing human being. He's right
2:25:45
here in your backyard. You haven't had him. You ought
2:25:47
to be ashamed of yourself, Joe.
2:25:49
Speaker 1: There's only so many days in a week you could
2:25:50
do shows, you know? Can't have everybody on. Okay, man.
2:25:53
Speaker 3: Do you do a show every day?
2:25:55
Speaker 1: Four days a week. Okay, what's the day off? Usually Friday,
2:25:58
but it shifts. It shifts depending on, you know, what
2:26:03
I got going on.
2:26:03
Speaker 3: But, you know, so I am.
2:26:08
I build a show according to what they're doing. And
2:26:12
through all my reading, and I'm naturally, I think I'm
2:26:17
gifted enough humor-wise that I've incorporated a ton of humor.
2:26:22
And I mix the humor in. And I incorporate the audience.
2:26:27
Speaker 1: And so did you start doing all this reading just
2:26:30
to make your speeches better?
2:26:31
Speaker 3: I wanted to get smarter.
2:26:32
Speaker 1: That's funny. I wanted to get smarter. I wanted to be.
2:26:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to be a little bit up on things.
2:26:39
I took psychology and marketing and all that in college.
2:26:42
But I thought, hey, if I'm going to make a
2:26:45
career out of this, gather all the knowledge you can gather.
2:26:49
And so that's what I did.
2:26:50
Speaker 1: That's very smart.
2:26:51
Speaker 3: I started reading all these self-help books. And you know what?
2:26:55
When you do read all that, you find out it's
2:26:57
pretty basic. There's a foundation, a common denominator that all
2:27:01
of them have. I don't steal material, but I do
2:27:11
program my speeches. I've gone on stage and forgot the
2:27:15
name of the company.
2:27:16
Speaker 1: I did that once. I did that once.
2:27:22
Speaker 3: I went on stage in Vegas for a huge 5,000 people,
2:27:27
and I went out there, and I'm You know, I've
2:27:29
got a style about me. It's a freelance. It's, hey,
2:27:32
you know, I work the crowd. I get to know them.
2:27:34
I'm having a good time, feeling good. And I haven't
2:27:38
even started my speech in the... the meeting plan to
2:27:41
the guy that only can let's give it up give
2:27:43
it up terry bradshaw terry but thank you terry thank
2:27:46
you so much terry bradshaw they escort me off i
2:27:50
10 minutes 10 minutes So there's three.
2:27:55
Speaker 1: What happened? Why did they escort you off?
2:27:59
Speaker 3: He thought I didn't know what I was doing, I guess.
2:28:03
But he obviously didn't look at my tapes. But I
2:28:06
was just having fun with the crowd before I worked
2:28:11
my way. Sometimes I'll go right into it. Sometimes I won't.
2:28:16
Sometimes I'll hey-hey. I mess with them.
2:28:18
Speaker 1: Right. I'm just. Having fun. Yeah.
2:28:21
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:28:23
Speaker 3: Out of there.
2:28:23
Speaker 1: Wow. What kind of company was that?
2:28:28
Speaker 3: Someone that could afford to pay me and not have
2:28:30
me give a speech. Yeah, bad.
2:28:33
Speaker 1: Well, some people are very impatient.
2:28:35
Speaker 4: Bad.
2:28:36
Speaker 1: It was bad.
2:28:36
Speaker 3: I asked my wife in the car going to the airport.
2:28:38
You know when you, what's wrong? And I said, what
2:28:40
did I do? Is something wrong?
2:28:41
Speaker 1: She said, you did nothing wrong. This guy just doesn't
2:28:44
know your style. Oh, so they just hired you based
2:28:47
on name alone and didn't know what they were getting.
2:28:49
Excuse me.
2:28:50
Speaker 3: I would imagine that for— I would think name alone
2:28:53
has a lot to do with all my— Oh, 100%.
2:28:55
Speaker 1: But that's what I was just going to say. I
2:28:57
would imagine that.
2:28:57
Speaker 3: And if you win four Super Bowls, you know pressure.
2:29:00
You know up and down. You know how to deal
2:29:02
with— you get in the huddle. How do you manage a huddle?
2:29:05
How do you do this?
2:29:05
Speaker 1: How do you call plays? And I make fun of
2:29:07
all these guys that have placards on their forearms. Number four.
2:29:12
Number four.
2:29:14
Speaker 3: Where I had to go— second and eight, okay, look,
2:29:18
second and eight, here we go, let's go, let's go,
2:29:21
and they're like, no, no, no, wait a minute, wait
2:29:24
a minute, no, no, I don't want to run that,
2:29:25
let's go this, and I totally ran the, I totally
2:29:29
ran the huddle, the whole thing, what do y'all say,
2:29:32
can we do that, no, we can't, what do you
2:29:33
want to do, that, I ran the huddle, I was
2:29:37
smart enough as the chairman of the board in the
2:29:44
huddle to say, I don't have all the answers.
2:29:49
Speaker 1: I thought I did.
2:29:50
Speaker 3: We're not doing very well here.
2:29:52
Speaker 1: I'm going to try this play, but what do y'all think?
2:29:55
Speaker 3: And I got input. Oh, is there anything better than input?
2:29:59
Is there anything better.
2:30:00
Speaker 1: Than the people that are doing it? As a sales team,
2:30:03
you've got a sales manager, and the sales team is
2:30:05
going back.
2:30:06
Speaker 3: And saying, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is
2:30:08
not a good idea. This isn't working. They don't like
2:30:10
this data.
2:30:11
Speaker 1: And you change it.
2:30:12
Speaker 3: Smart people make adjustments in the middle of chaos.
2:30:16
Speaker 1: Right. Competition.
2:30:18
Speaker 3: And that's how I ran the huddle. The huddle. And
2:30:24
speaking is... I know where I'm going when I walk
2:30:30
on stage. And once I get on stage, I can
2:30:34
tell within five minutes I'm going to change my direction.
2:30:39
Speaker 1: And I can.
2:30:39
Speaker 3: I've been doing it 40-something years. I got eight hours
2:30:43
of material, not to mention all the new material I'm
2:30:46
getting every week. So I can change it. And I've
2:30:50
got to tell you, you're a stand-up comedian. Is there
2:30:53
anything better than getting on stage and deliver a performance,
2:30:59
and they are just laughing at everything. It's just rolling,
2:31:02
just rolling, just rolling. And you walk off, and they're screaming, Joe, Joe, Joe.
2:31:08
And you're like, God, man, I nailed it tonight. And
2:31:10
then you walk off, or going out and go, did
2:31:13
you hear this the other day? And everything falls flat.
2:31:18
And when you leave. And you go off stage and you're,
2:31:22
are you not miserable?
2:31:23
Speaker 1: Miserable. Miserable. Sure.
2:31:25
Speaker 3: You don't want to be miserable.
2:31:27
Speaker 1: No.
2:31:27
Speaker 3: You did everything you could to make them enjoyable. I'm
2:31:30
entertaining them. I want this to be a great experience
2:31:34
for them. And when you fail, it's devastating.
2:31:37
Speaker 1: It's devastating. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So why'd they pay you?
2:31:42
What do you think? They pay you to be entertaining.
2:31:45
Look at Hank. Yeah. Poor Jamie. Poor.
2:31:48
Speaker 3: Oh, Jamie. Sorry, Jay.
2:31:50
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man. Yeah, I mean, I would imagine that
2:31:53
it's a completely different thing, but having a guy like
2:31:55
you go and talk to a corporation has got to
2:31:59
be very fun for them, you know, because, you know,
2:32:02
your guy has won the Super Bowl.
2:32:05
Speaker 3: My speeches are— do you know who Joe Hosting is?
2:32:11
Speaker 1: I know the name. He's the preacher in— Joel Olsteen. Oh,
2:32:17
what did I say? Holsteen, like the cow? Olsteen, you're right. Olsteen, right? Olsteen, right, yeah. Oh,
2:32:22
he doesn't go to church.
2:32:23
Speaker 3: He doesn't know.
2:32:24
Speaker 1: It's Olsteen. Yeah, that guy. He's a... He does the
2:32:27
giant stadium preacher. God, look at the mountain.
2:32:31
Speaker 3: You see the mountain. One of those good guys. It's
2:32:35
a good guy. And people need that in their life.
2:32:38
I like to say, there's another mountain out there. But
2:32:42
if you continue down the path you're going, and I
2:32:45
want my hand spanked. I don't need it spanked. I
2:32:49
know it should be spanked, but I want him to
2:32:51
spank me. It's fine with me.
2:32:53
Speaker 1: Speaking.
2:32:55
When I go out to.
2:32:56
Speaker 3: Speak, I'm a feel-good guy. You know, unless they say
2:33:03
to me, here's where we're struggling and we need you
2:33:06
to add this, this, and this.
2:33:08
Speaker 1: Oh, so sometimes they'll give you a direction? Oh, always.
2:33:10
Speaker 3: They always give you a direction.
2:33:12
Speaker 1: Okay, so they have like a purpose for why you're
2:33:13
doing the speech.
2:33:13
Speaker 3: You always know where you're going.
2:33:15
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:33:15
Speaker 3: You always know what your audience is. Yeah.
2:33:18
Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like you really enjoy it, but that's
2:33:19
a lot. So is that what you're doing when you're
2:33:22
doing 250 dates a year? You're doing a lot of those?
2:33:24
Speaker 3: I do, yeah, a lot. Tuesday, Wednesday of this week,
2:33:29
then I'll get off. I do 30 a year, which
2:33:32
is plenty.
2:33:32
Speaker 1: That's a lot. Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot.
2:33:35
Speaker 3: When you're getting five million in a speech, I mean,
2:33:36
you've got to think about it. What do you think, Buck?
2:33:43
Speaker 1: Old Buck's over there.
2:33:44
Speaker 3: He's like, I'd be so glad when this boy's off.
2:33:48
Speaker 1: He likes you. Terry, thank you very much for being here, man.
2:33:51
This was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it.
2:33:53
It was great to talk to you. Me too. Thank you. Thanks, Joe.
2:33:58
Speaker 3: Been watching you. Enjoy. You're smart.
2:34:00
Speaker 1: Thank you.
2:34:01
Speaker 3: You're insightful. You do your homework. I helped you today, though.
2:34:06
Speaker 1: You did. You helped me a lot.
2:34:08
Speaker 3: Doing what you do is not easy.
2:34:10
Speaker 1: I found out about limousine cattle. You taught me some things.
2:34:14
Speaker 3: I know. You know how to fix a prolapsed uterus?
2:34:17
Speaker 1: What's that? Show him, Jamie. I'd rather not. I'd rather not.
2:34:25
So tell everybody how they buy this whiskey. Is it everywhere?
2:34:28
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:34:28
Speaker 1: Is there a website?
2:34:29
Speaker 3: We're in 11 states right now. You can go to TerryBradshawBourbon.com.
2:34:35
You'll find out where we are in Texas.
2:34:37
Speaker 1: TerryBradshawBourbon.com. There it is. Look at that. There it is.
2:34:41
Speaker 3: That's not a good picture.
2:34:42
Speaker 1: I should have had.
2:34:43
Speaker 3: Oh, look at the cigar, Joe.
2:34:44
Speaker 1: That's a solid picture.
2:34:45
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:34:46
Speaker 1: Cigar. That's an old man. You're 58? Yeah. And look
2:34:49
at that. You got a serious whiskey sifter there. What
2:34:52
are those things called? Snifter?
2:34:54
Speaker 3: Those are good.
2:34:54
Speaker 1: That's like if you're a serious taster. You know, it is.
2:35:01
Speaker 3: The thing about. Now, people think, boy, he's making a
2:35:04
killing off that whiskey. I may make $ 6, 000 this year. Six.
2:35:07
Speaker 1: Six.
2:35:11
Speaker 3: But we're building it. It's slow. Whiskey is... Bourbon is slow, man.
2:35:15
Speaker 1: It's hard. It has to age.
2:35:17
Speaker 3: You go down that aisle, there's 5,000, and we've won
2:35:21
all these awards.
2:35:23
Speaker 1: We beat them all. That's awesome.
2:35:25
Speaker 3: Beat them all.
2:35:26
Speaker 1: Congratulations. Thank you.
2:35:27
Speaker 3: I'm so proud of that. And the thing about the
2:35:29
juice is mine. I created this juice.
2:35:31
Speaker 1: It has to be something that you love doing. Yeah,
2:35:33
that's not something you can... You know what? It could be.
2:35:38
Speaker 3: Any other product, I think it's just the fact that
2:35:41
I get to go out and sell it. I like selling.
2:35:43
Speaker 1: Well, it's an aged product. It's a different– like if
2:35:45
you were selling vodka or tequila, something that you could
2:35:48
just make real quick. No, this is– It's a different thing.
2:35:51
Aged whiskey is a very different thing.
2:35:52
Speaker 3: It took me a year and a half to get
2:35:53
the blend right, the blend, the juice. It took me
2:35:57
a year and a half before I agreed to put
2:36:00
it in a bottle. Then when I put it in
2:36:02
a bottle, I wanted– this is old Gunsmoke. Set it
2:36:06
on the counter. I wanted a gun smoke bottle. And
2:36:09
this is the original label. And that's gunpowder. Gunpowder gray.
2:36:16
And the Super Bowl stuff is put on there by,
2:36:19
you know, the bottling company, which I didn't really. That
2:36:24
wasn't part of it. You know, Joe, you ever got
2:36:26
to a point in your life when you go, can
2:36:28
I not sell something that's really good without having to
2:36:30
be me?
2:36:31
Speaker 1: Right. I know what you mean.
2:36:33
Speaker 3: It wouldn't have been like that if it hadn't.
2:36:34
Speaker 1: Been you, Terry. Right.
2:36:36
Speaker 3: Can it not be just because it's good?
2:36:39
Speaker 1: You certainly could do that.
2:36:40
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:36:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:36:41
Speaker 3: My stud horses, I have the best stud horses in America.
2:36:44
You know? Best. And they're breeding world champions. And I'm
2:36:49
so proud of that. Business is good. You know? But
2:36:53
I don't have to sell them.
2:36:54
Speaker 1: Right.
2:36:55
Speaker 3: We have offspring that sell them.
2:36:57
Speaker 1: But this is Bradshaw whiskey.
2:36:58
Speaker 3: Yeah. This is this.
2:36:59
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want my dad to see it. There it is.
2:37:04
There it is. There it is. All right, Terry. But
2:37:06
thank you. Thank you.
2:37:07
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
2:37:08
Speaker 1: Thanks for being here, brother.
2:37:09
Speaker 3: I've been a huge fan for many years.
2:37:10
Speaker 1: And me and you. And thanks.
2:37:11
Speaker 3: We didn't get into politics, which I'm very thankful for.
2:37:14
Speaker 1: I'm glad, too.
2:37:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, me, too. I bet you are. I know I am.
2:37:17
Speaker 1: Enough.
2:37:17
Speaker 3: Enough.
2:37:18
Speaker 1: Enough of that in this world. Thank you, Terry.
2:37:20
Speaker 3: That was fun.
2:37:21
Speaker 1: All right. Bye, everybody.